I share *every single notion and opinion* on the turtles with you, dude..! BTW, *6:55* - On the RIGHT, we see Michelangelo, - On the LEFT, we see Shrek holding Fiona's toilet rag LMFAO at the horrific new Bay designs :D The classic Turtles look like *mutated humanoid TURTLES.* The modern Turtles look like *mutated turtleoid HUMANS.*
I think a combination of the designs from the first film and the latest version would be great. I like how the faces were structured in the new one and some of the accessories that individualized them. As far as the designs from the first one I like their height and body builds the best out of all of the films. If the next turtles movie goes with source material from the original comic books and 90's cartoon; that would make a really good design. JMO.
of course in real life that not option. if the pizza come late and you refuse to pay full price, they'll just take the pizza back to the store and you're still hungry 🤣
@@omicron5529 Never noticed it as a child watching but I just can't stop laughing now days at how Ralph flashes his dagger as if it's a pistol and the young punks take off running...... Ralph was good Knuckle head
It was actually released recently. Though the site says the CD is sold out. One of the vinyl versions still seems to be available. waxworkrecords.com/products/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-cd
I agree, John Du Prez really did a fantastic job scoring the 1990 film. I know that I would glad buy a copy of the score on CD if it was released. As a cinephile, I have quite a few film scores in my CD collection.
28 years later and the original costumes still look the best and most realistic. The costumes from the 2nd film were ehh, OKAY. But I didn't like the Donny and Raph head sculpts. Now the head sculpts from TMNT 3? LoL. NO need to comment. TMNT 1990 was the darkest and most realistic of all the turtle movies and will always be my most favorite . Actually, a fan favorite. I also dislike how they look in CGI. TMNT 1990 - A timeless classic. The costumes from top to bottom were top notch and still holds to this day.
*6:55* - On the RIGHT, we see Michelangelo, - On the LEFT, we see Shrek holding the Emperor's cloth LMFAO at the horrific new Bay designs :D The classic Turtles look like *mutated humanoid TURTLES.* The modern Turtles look like *mutated turtleoid HUMANS.*
@@omicron5529 I agree, I watched the 1990 movie quite a few times the last few years and it is still mind blowing just real the Turtles and Splinter look even years later. Also I really enjoyed the 2007 CGI animated movie even thought I missed seeing it in the cinema. I did eventually watch it on DVD and I really enjoyed it.
in the 1990 movie they did exactly what they should have done. They got the master Jim Henson to design the turtles and they got golden harvest to treat it like a Hong Kong action flick.
I alwas felt disappointed with the shredder fight scene. They had plenty of opportunities to hit him but no, it didn't feel very "pro" and it was too short. Of course I understand the limitations of the costumes at the time but yeah.... .
I agree, everything that his colleagues have said about Jim Henson along with his vast body of work from Sesame Street, to the Muppets to Fraggle Rock to TMNT shows just how talented he was as a puppeteer and a designer.
The problem with cgi redesign is that they really don't have creative movements like they're original cartoon looks were it's always the same stock images of the new cgi looks that's why cgi just don't age well anymore 2d animations and animatronics had better variety than cgi. Movies like who framed roger rabbit,gremlins the child's play trilogy, and space jam the animations on them ages so well and look realistically awesome cgi makes a little kid cry for they're mommy and have nightmares for weeks
Cgi is like the posterboys of nightmare especially those god awful movies based off of classic Saturday morning cartoons from Hanna-Barbara, Ross Bagdasarian sr, and dr Seuss it's like the movie studios trying to ruin they're career and legacys
James Cameron once said something like the more fantastic the subject matter, the more based in reality the characters need to be. That’s why the first 2 Terminator films work so well, and why the first Turtles movie still stands up today
TMNT 1: Beautiful. A great blend of realistic, appealing and expressive, and it's made stronger by the lighting hiding the limitations really well. Also a good film in general. TMNT 2: Not as good, lacking the subtle details and clever lighting, but the Jim Henson magic is still there. Still appealing and expressive with some of the realism. An entertaining film as well. TMNT 3: The screenshots speak for themselves.
1990 is the pinnacle of TMNT movies . The simple fact that they navigate through a gritty , realistically dangerous NYC satisfies newer fans while staying pretty loyal to the comics . I love this first movie . I saw it in theatres when I was 5 and it’s still one of my favorite movies of all time . I made my dad buy the VHS for me when it came out . It was like 40 goddamn dollars .
I think the reason the designs from the 90s film aren’t used in the current films is likely due to a rights issue. Yes Viacom currently owns the rights to the TMNT franchise, but Warner Bros still owns the designs from the 90s film.
Thanks for taking the time to make this video. I always thought they looked weirder and weirder with each iteration. I am a trained illustrator and now a prop and costume maker, and I still enjoy drawing the turtles for fun all the time! And its crazy how many productions get the designs wrong
Fingers crossed that might happen this year, since 2019 is the 35th anniversary of the first issue of the Mirage comic book being published. I am stunned that Warner Brothers (who purchased New Line Cinema) did not due this for either the 25th anniversary in 2009 or the 30th anniversary in 2014. All three movies have special edition DVD's in Germany, so why can't we special editions here in the US? The German special edition of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1990) is a little sparse on the special features, it only has a few deleted scenes and an audio commentary from director Steve Barron focused on the technical side of filmmaking. I am sure that Warner Brothers could make a better special edition for American fans.
How he gained all his followers and stuff like that. Obviously he can rule by fear but he had to offer all them thugs and foot soldiers something worth following him for. Almost like a, I don't wanna compare the two but I will, a Negan story in The Walking Dead and the way he got his supporters. Obviously different circumstances but you get my drift.
Anyone not named Jim Henson’s Creature Shop is required by law to not directly recreate the TMNT designs from the first two films, hence the radical redesigns in the third film or their slightly tweaked Injustice look.
Love your video. Very well done. Just thought I'd give you my interpretation of the changes between Part 1 and 2. I like to think that the reason Raph and Leo look happier is because they got a little cocky thinking that Shredder was gone. If you think about it, they weren't hiding themselves quite as often as they did originally, which would explain why there was less use of shadows as well. That's just my thought.
After the first movie, they deliberately tried to make the Turtles look less realistic and more cartoonish, sort of a reverse-"Who Framed Roger Rabbit" sort of situation, to make it "more appealing to children". One thing I (and a lot of people) never noticed as a kid but do now, is that in the second movie, the Turtles never actually fought Super Shredder. He defeated himself.
Saw the first Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles in theatres at three years old with my older brother, one of my favorite memories. The original movie has some truly philosophical scenes, with Splinter telling Raphael, “Anger clouds the mind, turned inwards it is an unconquerable enemy. You are unique among your brothers because you choose to face this enemy alone, but as you face it do not forget them and do not forget me, I am here my son”.
@jeremy pantoja.ive been waiting 29years for the movie turtles toys.getting at least 1 for my Christmas possibly raphael but hopefully my mrs will get me all 4.sdcc has lots of tmnt reveals in the next week tmnt2 movie figures any1?? Oh hell yeah.
@@barrymccockiner773 movie shredder or cartoon shredder?.those new batman vs ninja turtles figures that were revealed yesterday are so cool especially the raphael figure.
@@barrymccockiner773 im hoping shredder gets a single figure release as im only after the 4 turtles splinter shredder and some foot soldiers.im curious to see what neca has on show regarding the 2nd movie figures at sdcc nxt week.have fun with ur shredder when u get it m8👍
The reason there was a huge change from 1990 to 1991 in the turtles design is that parents complained the first TMNT was quite violent and gritty, so the producers decided to make them more kid friendly, and that’s also the reason they don’t use their weapons and make more jokes all the time.
there were times in the first movie when you could tell they were suits, but it was such a good movie and the designs looked decent enough that you can look past it and still enjoy the movie. I think at 1 point Casey even points it out directly and says something like zip-neck as an insult to Donnie
Bruce Wayne85 I enjoyed both. 1990, 1992. 1993, 2014, and, 2016. I just forgot everything and just enjoyed the movie. People hate it because of Amell and Fox.. yes. But also for their looks. But you have to understand that in both two series the turtles are built and heavy. They both were strong too, even in the 1980’s cartoon it hints at this strength. The turtles from the latter could have been shorter to like 5’6”- 6’0” as is in the former. The story from the latter about the militarizing state takeover plan of the Ninja Foot Clan from the second should have been brought together with the Shredder’s manipulative violent criminal leader of an army of teen kids and early 20’s adults that basically were misfits and runaways causing crime and mischief in the streets of the first movie. It makes no sense Shredder’s kleptomania and that’s it. As for Splinter I liked both designs of the 1990 and 1992 and 2016 movie series, but dislike the origin story from both! The story should’ve been of: Ninja Master Hamato Yoshi and Teng Shin and their daughter Karai forced out of Japan, running for their lives to New York, after Yoshi had rivaled with Oroku Saki. Slandered threatened abandoned and shamed, Yoshi is fleeing out of the Foot by his rival now called Shredder. Then after Sensei Yoshi had left, Sensei Saki had taken control over the Foot. It should’ve shown the bitter rivalry over the murder of Saki’s drunken angry brother by Yoshi after a big fight in the town against Saki and Yoshi as well as Saki’s students and students still loyal to Yoshi, over the Shredder’s final unrequited loss of Shin, and with the Foot Clan finally threatening for lives of Yoshi Shin and Karai, forcing them to flee the country. Then, as the Shredder takes his control and corrupts the Foot Clan into organized crime it spreads a faction now to America, where he leaves and goes to New York and finds out about Yoshi. It’s there that the drama starts again and Shin is murdered and Karai taken as vengeance. Afterwards Yoshi gets depressed, loses his job, and ends up in the subways to live. He then swears his revenge when an near accident with an automobile causes him to crash into a person holding a jar of baby turtles and for the turtles and Yoshi to be covered with the mutagen. He slowly turns into the rat Splinter (a nickname the turtles fondly gave Yoshi later), and too slowly causes the turtles to also change turtle humanoids they are. Then Splinter and the turtles bond, slowly becomes a family, and he starts training them. Years past and they emerge as the Tmnt crime fighting team we know and love, and they swore to Splinter to get Saki (now called Shredder) for ruining their master’s (Yoshi now called Splinter’s) life, and hoping to one day to reach out covertly to Karai and bring her home reuniting her with her rightful father.
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles The Original Trilogy (The Rise and Fall of The TMNT Designs) 0:00 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1990) 8:30 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2: The Secret Of The Ooze (1991) 14:47 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 3 (1993)
In elementary school in the 80s, I created rivals to the turtles that were mutant dinosaurs. They were a triceratops, t-rex, stegosaurus, and a torosaurus. They were human-sized and used other kobudo weapons and throwing stars.
Dude I loved your NES intro theme in there! And followed by the SNES TMNT 4: Turtles in time “kowabunga” once you beat a level. I used to have that as a text alert and the NES intro as my ringer 😃
I think the quality of the suits are better in the secret of the ozze is better but the designs of the first movie is better cause they looked more grittier
The saddest thing is knowing someone thought it was remotely okay to have the 3rd movie costumes be on the cover of DVDs of the first two, I hate seeing those editions because it's false advertising and does no justice to the quality of the suits in them
It was only a fall because parents were scared of the weapons in the first movie. The second and third were not as good looking because they lost money and had to use cheaper materials.
I kind of feel like the designs from the second movie onward tried to make the suits look more like the cartoon designs, most likely to appeal more to younger kids. Secret of the Ooze in particular seems to hint at this: The bandannas are brighter, their eyes are bigger and brighter, their facial expressions are more exaggerated and cartoonish. You could argue TMNT 3 took it further, but I think that's more due to the suits being made by a different company.
To answer your question about the old heads: I do sets and props for a living. Including some creatures (when I'm lucky.) Latex decays over time. While it can often last for decades, during that time it starts to stiffen and get brittle. So if you have an animatronic or puppet where the latex needs to flex and curl, it will very likely crack. The masks you're showing pictures of are many decades old and are falling apart on their own. Eventually they'll slough most of the paint and turn brown shrivel. Pretty horrifying, honestly when it's faces. What IS more perplexing is why they didn't make an attempt to get the old molds and just cast and paint some new skins for the existing animatronics, or a copy of them. Granted molds have a finite life too, but you can restore a mold or clean up a casting from an older, damaged mold. It's weird there weren't notes on how to make the animatronics available to them, at least. Maybe it's being spoiled by the digital age, but I can't imagine a production where detailed documents aren't passed back and forth to be approved this day in age. Maybe it was different back then. Though, in my experience, also, shit from productions just tends to disappear in subsequent years for no discernable reason. It can be absolutely tragic in many cases because so many artifacts from classic films are just lost. Maybe destroyed.
As a kid TMNT 2 was my favorite turtle movie. As an adult the first one is. The same goes for Ghostbusters. I have never been able to get through TMNT 3... ever...
@@kyotoandsunchips8585 I think 3 is judged way too harshly. I actually prefer the face shapes of Donnie, Raph and Mikey in 3 over 2....(Leo is an abomination though) It's silly, but Corey Feldman is back as Donatello which is a HUGE plus - and the fight scenes are way better than 2. I think the witty banter between the turtles is also much better in 3 than in 2. 2 just fumbled on so many things....no weapons, the secret of the ooze story itself was botched, no rocksteady and bebop, rehash of shredder, no Casey Jones..... In 3 the turtles also have inner battles and a little emotional growth they have to deal with when it comes to feudal japan vs current day NY which I thought was cool. And the side plot of Casey is actually pretty funny. 3 is comfortable in its own skin. I think if people watch it back it's not as bad as they remember.
the first one is so good, i still have my vhs tape from when i was 10 years old, i dont even have a vhs player anymore, but i dont have the heart to throw it out, best comic book movie ever
Yeah with their new series I get that they want to switch things up but the whole magic thing, I just cant get behind. TMNT never had a magic element to it. I know it's weird and ignorant to say this but adding magic to TMNT reminds me of knock off ninja shows and them trying to be cool and relevant 2019 where the landscape had changed. Idk TL;DR The magic element in the new series just seems off
well turtles 2003 did some stuff with magic in season 5 but i dont think they did any thing with it after and they were right some how it just does not fit the turtles
Dude you hit it right on the money with this video! Very excellent job man. I thought that I was the only one who noticed that they changed the looks of the turtles in the sequels. But yes, the original costumes from the 1990 film are the best ones...
"raphael.. he's the leader of the group transformed from the norm by the nuclear goop! pizza's the food that's sure to please, these ninjas are in to pepperoni and cheese!" i knew every word of that turtle power song as a kid!😄😄😄
You should also include splinters design. 1990 was by far the best. It looked like a real animal. The nose was wet. And had a lot of moisture in the eyes. You could almost imagine what he’d smell like from how real everything looked.
The reason why TMNT 2 they didn’t use weapons was because they had a contract with toy stores and ToysRUs and Kaybee ....they thought the first movie was way too violent .... a multi million contract they was strict on TMNT II no weapons were to be used, or else all toys would be pulled off of shelves....
I owned the 1990 movie as a kid. To this day, there is still not a single movie that I've seen more times. It has that perfect mixture of comedy and darkness. It is the most realistic movie as well. And yes, the costumes have not been matched since. I doubt any turtles movie will ever surpass this one.
I always enjoyed the 3rd movie more than the 2nd. I was so distracted by the turtles going out of their way to avoid using their weapons that it completely destroyed the film. While the 3rd film was nowhere near what I wish it was, I was just so relieved to see them using their weapons again to where it helped me enjoy the film much more than if they had avoided them like in the 2nd movie.
I remember going to see part 3 in the movies and told my mother I was going to the bathroom and stayed out side playing the arcades instead she was pissed 😡
Some insights: eyes were the most important feature on any character or creature. The eyes in the 1990 movie have much better proportions and realism to a "real creature" compared to the cartoony versions of movies 2 and 3. The poportion of the bandanas and how the eyes sit behind them are one of the keys to achieving the "classic turtle look". Whoever did the sculpts and animatronics for the subsequent films didn't bother to capture these details. In regards to the movie #2 and 3, they were told to tone down the violence, hence the lack of weapon use and more slapstick / Jackie Chan style action comedy with found props and weapons. This was reflected in the look of the eyes and the faces. Understand that on number 3, I assume contractually that they had no access to the original molds used by Jim Henson's company, so all new sculpts and molds were made. Based on the artist / sculptors interpretation, you could have liknesses that are more truthful to the originals or more like charicatures. The reason why Raph's face (as an example) looks so different from 1990 to movie #3 is that the size of the eyes and the way the bandana overlaps the brow of the eyes, making the 1990 version more "scowled" constantly. The other versions could be off by 5mm and it would throw this look off. Also, they seemed to have made the mouth areas bigger on the subsequent movies to fit in more servos (or cheaper ones) resulting less accurate looking faces.
The 90 turtles was original, thats why my childhood was the BEST!! Keep the TMNT legacy going, but the new one has a interesting look. Did Donny have some glasses on, in that updated version? LOL and by the way that 3rd TMNT movie design was so..... weird looking. The Eyeballs were bigger than the eye covers. LOL
@Punk rock Squat topiaProbably. I don't remember the 80s as well because i was young. I was born in 1984. But i love movies, wrestling and music from that era. The music from 1980s is my favourite.
Great video bro. U mentioned not being able to pinpoint what made Raphael's face look different between parts 1&2 and I realized it's all in the eyes. Raphael's face is also slightly rounder in part 2 but he has wide open, round eyes in part 2 where as his eyes are more squinted in part 1 which makes him look meaner. Different eyes, face and voice for all of em, but Raph and Donny were most noticable. Part 1 was definitely the best one tho hands down IMO
These movies are masterpiece classics in my opinion I remember watching the first two as a kid especially the first one then years later I watched it again to only see just how amazing it was with depth of characters the scenes with the music go so well together with a dark gritty comedic feel I just love the originals an wish they remade them today with the costumes and not CGI one can only hope but I feel those times ate long gone.
The "it's just for kids, what did you expect?" viewpoint really grinds my gears. The reason the first film did so well and it was the most successful indie film EVER is because it took the source material seriously. If you treat kids like idiots then they'll become idiots. It's shame that the sub-par sequels have clouded the reputation of the first movie.
I liked Donatello in part 2 alot more. (Probably because i watched part 2 first) But i can give reasons why, he looks and sounds more dorky/intelligent. That's all.
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I share *every single notion and opinion* on the turtles with you, dude..!
BTW, *6:55*
- On the RIGHT, we see Michelangelo,
- On the LEFT, we see Shrek holding Fiona's toilet rag
LMFAO at the horrific new Bay designs :D
The classic Turtles look like *mutated humanoid TURTLES.*
The modern Turtles look like *mutated turtleoid HUMANS.*
The choppy editing in your voice over is unnecessary. I know the jump cut editing style is trendy but its not necessary for narration.
woah woah woah ...what the fuck is wrong with BBQ cornnuts !!!????
Don't forget that TMNT 4 (2006) IS a continuation of the original live action movies!💯
I think a combination of the designs from the first film and the latest version would be great. I like how the faces were structured in the new one and some of the accessories that individualized them. As far as the designs from the first one I like their height and body builds the best out of all of the films. If the next turtles movie goes with source material from the original comic books and 90's cartoon; that would make a really good design. JMO.
Agreed, tmnt 1990 has the best looking live action turtles.
facts
Nah. Second.
Best movie hands down.
Plus 2003
Cgi took over and ruined alot of movies
"Wise men say, 'Forgiveness is divine, but never pay full price for late pizza."
Michelangelo - 1990.
Love Mikey.!
of course in real life that not option. if the pizza come late and you refuse to pay full price, they'll just take the pizza back to the store and you're still hungry 🤣
And when your pizza guy is Keno, he's gonna reveal your mutant identity
@@rgygduysdgyuygsduysd but there used to be late and it’s free promotions.
1990 tmnt looks like a hardcore gangsta flick compared to modern day tmnt
That's the point. It's supposed to feel like Batman meets Daredevil but with four turtles. The first one gets it.
Shredder in the Michael Bay one is trash cgi robotic ugly shit I hated it
@LoganTheLionheart He looks like a desperate transformer rip off on cocain
Oh fuck yeah. Especially the "thugs" and that era of NYC were pretty much right on point.
@@omicron5529 Never noticed it as a child watching but I just can't stop laughing now days at how Ralph flashes his dagger as if it's a pistol and the young punks take off running...... Ralph was good Knuckle head
The original score needs to be remastered and rereleases. I think it’s one of the BEST film scores of the 90’s
I totally completely undoubtedly undeniably AGREE.
You can find the CD soundtrack on Amazon and eBay - most listings aren't very cheap but they exist.
It was actually released recently. Though the site says the CD is sold out. One of the vinyl versions still seems to be available.
waxworkrecords.com/products/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-cd
I agree, John Du Prez really did a fantastic job scoring the 1990 film. I know that I would glad buy a copy of the score on CD if it was released. As a cinephile, I have quite a few film scores in my CD collection.
Go ninja go ninja go
28 years later and the original costumes still look the best and most realistic. The costumes from the 2nd film were ehh, OKAY. But I didn't like the Donny and Raph head sculpts. Now the head sculpts from TMNT 3? LoL. NO need to comment. TMNT 1990 was the darkest and most realistic of all the turtle movies and will always be my most favorite . Actually, a fan favorite. I also dislike how they look in CGI.
TMNT 1990 - A timeless classic. The costumes from top to bottom were top notch and still holds to this day.
*6:55*
- On the RIGHT, we see Michelangelo,
- On the LEFT, we see Shrek holding the Emperor's cloth
LMFAO at the horrific new Bay designs :D
The classic Turtles look like *mutated humanoid TURTLES.*
The modern Turtles look like *mutated turtleoid HUMANS.*
Same with Robert Englund Freddy Krueger make up..
If they released the 90's movie in todays day and age, it would still be one of the best movies of this era.
I didn't think the heads of the Donatello and Raphael costumes that were remade for the second film were that bad.
@@omicron5529 I agree, I watched the 1990 movie quite a few times the last few years and it is still mind blowing just real the Turtles and Splinter look even years later. Also I really enjoyed the 2007 CGI animated movie even thought I missed seeing it in the cinema. I did eventually watch it on DVD and I really enjoyed it.
in the 1990 movie they did exactly what they should have done. They got the master Jim Henson to design the turtles and they got golden harvest to treat it like a Hong Kong action flick.
That Turtles vs Shredder fight scene is legendary
Glad to see Shredder get in their asses, instead of running away like the cartoons....the movie represented Shedder well.
Then master splinter comes along and toss shredder off the roof
The music, especially in that scene, kicked it up a couple notches, too!!
I alwas felt disappointed with the shredder fight scene. They had plenty of opportunities to hit him but no, it didn't feel very "pro" and it was too short. Of course I understand the limitations of the costumes at the time but yeah.... .
Yes i use to act it out as a kid
Jim Henson took his craft seriously. CGI has a million people that can do it. Jim was 1 in a million
Johnhitbox Is he the guy that both created the muppets and sang "Mmmbop", lol.
Joel Baldwin lol true. My point is he actually cared about about quality over quantity
Jim Henson.... c'mon creator of the Muppets Show some respect
Rest in peace Jim Henson
I agree, everything that his colleagues have said about Jim Henson along with his vast body of work from Sesame Street, to the Muppets to Fraggle Rock to TMNT shows just how talented he was as a puppeteer and a designer.
Way better than the CGI films.
Agreed 100%
Agreed 100,000,000%
The problem with cgi redesign is that they really don't have creative movements like they're original cartoon looks were it's always the same stock images of the new cgi looks that's why cgi just don't age well anymore 2d animations and animatronics had better variety than cgi. Movies like who framed roger rabbit,gremlins the child's play trilogy, and space jam the animations on them ages so well and look realistically awesome cgi makes a little kid cry for they're mommy and have nightmares for weeks
Cgi is like the posterboys of nightmare especially those god awful movies based off of classic Saturday morning cartoons from Hanna-Barbara, Ross Bagdasarian sr, and dr Seuss it's like the movie studios trying to ruin they're career and legacys
Like waaaay way better, like waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay way waaaaaaaaaaaay better.
13 million budget.
Made 200 million box office
Tmnt 1990
How stupid then that they felt the need to change such a winning formula, just to appease oversensitive parents
The second movie is so bad. Why. Just why.
@@Buttington_Headerson I beg to differ it was part 3 for me
@@Buttington_Headerson 1 and 2 were great. 3 was the sucky one.
@@DarthMacchio I love how each of the turtles have distinct personalities
TMNT 1990 >Michael Bays B.S
Tmnt 1990 > really anything that came after
@@gatchywatchyentertainmentb2090 Exactly!
well said
James Cameron once said something like the more fantastic the subject matter, the more based in reality the characters need to be. That’s why the first 2 Terminator films work so well, and why the first Turtles movie still stands up today
TMNT 1: Beautiful. A great blend of realistic, appealing and expressive, and it's made stronger by the lighting hiding the limitations really well. Also a good film in general.
TMNT 2: Not as good, lacking the subtle details and clever lighting, but the Jim Henson magic is still there. Still appealing and expressive with some of the realism. An entertaining film as well.
TMNT 3: The screenshots speak for themselves.
TMNT : Cowabunga!
Secret of the Ooze: Cowabummer.
TMNT 3: Cowabogus…………
@@tyshco2969 TMNT 2 = Jaws 2 , both okay
1990s still have the best design to date as far as movies go.
I always remember Leo was the only Turtle to land a telling blow on Shredder, no idea why that stuck with an 8 year old me.
"Ahhhhh a fellow chucker ehhhh"
Micheal Angelo you are Golden thanks for giving me some amazing memories as a kid
*Michaelangelo
Cowabunga dude !
I love the animtronics from the first TMNT movie too. Their facial expressions are on point.
The Original 1990 TMNT is the best live action movie of them all, hands down.
I would love a rated R turtles movie with the first movie puppets
Eff off buddy
Hahaha, No.
Yeah, with them actually using their weapons. I can see Leo decapitating Shredder, that would be quite a scene!
The closest to that idea is the 1990 tmnt ....According to parents it was to violent which is why 2 and 3 was soft and wack
Some April titties?
1990 is the pinnacle of TMNT movies . The simple fact that they navigate through a gritty , realistically dangerous NYC satisfies newer fans while staying pretty loyal to the comics . I love this first movie . I saw it in theatres when I was 5 and it’s still one of my favorite movies of all time . I made my dad buy the VHS for me when it came out . It was like 40 goddamn dollars .
original 90's movie is always and will always be the best.
The first movie is a prime example of "really making characters believable"
Jim Henson created the 1990 Turtles...need I say more? Easily the best design. The costumes burned in a fire from what I understand.
He did the 2nd one too
@@wittyexquisite yeah. And it’s painfully obvious he didn’t do the third one.
I think the reason the designs from the 90s film aren’t used in the current films is likely due to a rights issue. Yes Viacom currently owns the rights to the TMNT franchise, but Warner Bros still owns the designs from the 90s film.
coolfinel no it’s just cheaper to make shit cgi
Your talking about the same WB that cancelled the third Tim burton batman the same company that gave us batman forever and B and R I hate yu WB...
Damn i miss these turtles,, the good ole days
Thanks for taking the time to make this video. I always thought they looked weirder and weirder with each iteration. I am a trained illustrator and now a prop and costume maker, and I still enjoy drawing the turtles for fun all the time! And its crazy how many productions get the designs wrong
Of course 1990 is the best version. They need to release a Special Edition Blu Ray in America immediately!
Fingers crossed that might happen this year, since 2019 is the 35th anniversary of the first issue of the Mirage comic book being published. I am stunned that Warner Brothers (who purchased New Line Cinema) did not due this for either the 25th anniversary in 2009 or the 30th anniversary in 2014. All three movies have special edition DVD's in Germany, so why can't we special editions here in the US?
The German special edition of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1990) is a little sparse on the special features, it only has a few deleted scenes and an audio commentary from director Steve Barron focused on the technical side of filmmaking. I am sure that Warner Brothers could make a better special edition for American fans.
@@user-si9fx4xb6v I'd even take those very same extras, JB. SOMETHING other than a stupid sewer maze game and a trailer.
I want them to do a 4k blu ray
@@Mirage1209 As long as there's boatloads of extras.
2024 for the 40th anniversary of TMNT?
It's so cool to know someone out there puts as much time and effort into TMNT as the love we have for them!
Turtles 90 was absolute art!
This is a great break down of the original characters. I almost forgot how awesome they were.
I thought a shredder origin story would be sick. or a movie just about the foot. The Foot movie. something like that
How he gained all his followers and stuff like that. Obviously he can rule by fear but he had to offer all them thugs and foot soldiers something worth following him for. Almost like a, I don't wanna compare the two but I will, a Negan story in The Walking Dead and the way he got his supporters. Obviously different circumstances but you get my drift.
It would be interesting a movie that explains how it went from a ninja Clan to a Yakuza group
There will never be another Jim Henson.
What happened to movies in our current time?
1990 TMNT and Batman were the height of bringing fantasy to life.
Marvel movies might have something to say about that.
Computers ruined the art of cinema.
@@Rschr101 i think it ruined music as well
@@pataker7875 garbage
Joshua Johnson no way
Anyone not named Jim Henson’s Creature Shop is required by law to not directly recreate the TMNT designs from the first two films, hence the radical redesigns in the third film or their slightly tweaked Injustice look.
1990 TMNT is the best movie and always will be...
8:36 I can’t tell you how the shot of them jumping makes me feel but I love it so much
I agree that the 1990 TMNT suits were the best but I still have a soft spot for the way the turtles looked in secret of the ooze
Love your video. Very well done. Just thought I'd give you my interpretation of the changes between Part 1 and 2. I like to think that the reason Raph and Leo look happier is because they got a little cocky thinking that Shredder was gone. If you think about it, they weren't hiding themselves quite as often as they did originally, which would explain why there was less use of shadows as well. That's just my thought.
I can still vividly remember the long line I had to wait in and the completely packed theater for the first movie
After the first movie, they deliberately tried to make the Turtles look less realistic and more cartoonish, sort of a reverse-"Who Framed Roger Rabbit" sort of situation, to make it "more appealing to children".
One thing I (and a lot of people) never noticed as a kid but do now, is that in the second movie, the Turtles never actually fought Super Shredder. He defeated himself.
Even today, in the age of cgi, those turtle costumes are pretty impressive
Saw the first Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles in theatres at three years old with my older brother, one of my favorite memories. The original movie has some truly philosophical scenes, with Splinter telling Raphael, “Anger clouds the mind, turned inwards it is an unconquerable enemy. You are unique among your brothers because you choose to face this enemy alone, but as you face it do not forget them and do not forget me, I am here my son”.
These movies made my childhood awesome!!
I’m in love with my Neca 1990 TMNT figures. Best design ever!
@jeremy pantoja.ive been waiting 29years for the movie turtles toys.getting at least 1 for my Christmas possibly raphael but hopefully my mrs will get me all 4.sdcc has lots of tmnt reveals in the next week tmnt2 movie figures any1?? Oh hell yeah.
kryo Boy I can’t wait to get Shredder
@@barrymccockiner773 movie shredder or cartoon shredder?.those new batman vs ninja turtles figures that were revealed yesterday are so cool especially the raphael figure.
@@barrymccockiner773 im hoping shredder gets a single figure release as im only after the 4 turtles splinter shredder and some foot soldiers.im curious to see what neca has on show regarding the 2nd movie figures at sdcc nxt week.have fun with ur shredder when u get it m8👍
kryo Boy are they actually making TMNT 2 figures? That’d be sick. I really hope we get a 1990 Casey Jones neca figure.
The reason there was a huge change from 1990 to 1991 in the turtles design is that parents complained the first TMNT was quite violent and gritty, so the producers decided to make them more kid friendly, and that’s also the reason they don’t use their weapons and make more jokes all the time.
there were times in the first movie when you could tell they were suits, but it was such a good movie and the designs looked decent enough that you can look past it and still enjoy the movie.
I think at 1 point Casey even points it out directly and says something like zip-neck as an insult to Donnie
10:44 Sausage link nunchuks? I think you mean "combat cold-cuts"! That line always cracked me up as a kid. 😂 (Next time I'll use mustard!)
Damn, the music in the first movie was actually pretty good. Never really noticed that before.
the fight is 20x better than that stupid michael bay TMNT!!
Bruce Wayne85 I enjoyed both. 1990, 1992. 1993, 2014, and, 2016. I just forgot everything and just enjoyed the movie. People hate it because of Amell and Fox.. yes. But also for their looks. But you have to understand that in both two series the turtles are built and heavy. They both were strong too, even in the 1980’s cartoon it hints at this strength. The turtles from the latter could have been shorter to like 5’6”- 6’0” as is in the former. The story from the latter about the militarizing state takeover plan of the Ninja Foot Clan from the second should have been brought together with the Shredder’s manipulative violent criminal leader of an army of teen kids and early 20’s adults that basically were misfits and runaways causing crime and mischief in the streets of the first movie. It makes no sense Shredder’s kleptomania and that’s it. As for Splinter I liked both designs of the 1990 and 1992 and 2016 movie series, but dislike the origin story from both! The story should’ve been of: Ninja Master Hamato Yoshi and Teng Shin and their daughter Karai forced out of Japan, running for their lives to New York, after Yoshi had rivaled with Oroku Saki. Slandered threatened abandoned and shamed, Yoshi is fleeing out of the Foot by his rival now called Shredder. Then after Sensei Yoshi had left, Sensei Saki had taken control over the Foot. It should’ve shown the bitter rivalry over the murder of Saki’s drunken angry brother by Yoshi after a big fight in the town against Saki and Yoshi as well as Saki’s students and students still loyal to Yoshi, over the Shredder’s final unrequited loss of Shin, and with the Foot Clan finally threatening for lives of Yoshi Shin and Karai, forcing them to flee the country. Then, as the Shredder takes his control and corrupts the Foot Clan into organized crime it spreads a faction now to America, where he leaves and goes to New York and finds out about Yoshi. It’s there that the drama starts again and Shin is murdered and Karai taken as vengeance. Afterwards Yoshi gets depressed, loses his job, and ends up in the subways to live. He then swears his revenge when an near accident with an automobile causes him to crash into a person holding a jar of baby turtles and for the turtles and Yoshi to be covered with the mutagen. He slowly turns into the rat Splinter (a nickname the turtles fondly gave Yoshi later), and too slowly causes the turtles to also change turtle humanoids they are. Then Splinter and the turtles bond, slowly becomes a family, and he starts training them. Years past and they emerge as the Tmnt crime fighting team we know and love, and they swore to Splinter to get Saki (now called Shredder) for ruining their master’s (Yoshi now called Splinter’s) life, and hoping to one day to reach out covertly to Karai and bring her home reuniting her with her rightful father.
@@fbnflaviusbroadcastingnetw6786 I think it's good
THIS IS SUCH A GREAT CHANNEL!!
Haven't even noticed back then that the turtles in movie 1 and movie 2 were different... :O
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles The Original Trilogy (The Rise and Fall of The TMNT Designs)
0:00 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1990)
8:30 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2: The Secret Of The Ooze (1991)
14:47 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 3 (1993)
I love tmnt 2 more than any of the other movies. it captures the innocence of the cartoon
In elementary school in the 80s, I created rivals to the turtles that were mutant dinosaurs. They were a triceratops, t-rex, stegosaurus, and a torosaurus.
They were human-sized and used other kobudo weapons and throwing stars.
Dude I loved your NES intro theme in there! And followed by the SNES TMNT 4: Turtles in time “kowabunga” once you beat a level. I used to have that as a text alert and the NES intro as my ringer 😃
I can't believe parents where so concerned about kids hitting themselves with nun-chucks. I'd like to see some stats on how often this happened.
I think the quality of the suits are better in the secret of the ozze is better but the designs of the first movie is better cause they looked more grittier
My theory on the bandana change: April hooked them up with new masks.
I've said before and I'll say it again:
"Ninja-kick the damn rabbit!" Lol Mikey had the best lines xD
The saddest thing is knowing someone thought it was remotely okay to have the 3rd movie costumes be on the cover of DVDs of the first two, I hate seeing those editions because it's false advertising and does no justice to the quality of the suits in them
It was only a fall because parents were scared of the weapons in the first movie. The second and third were not as good looking because they lost money and had to use cheaper materials.
Parents always spoiling things being ti damn protective making things boring
'We're the Turtles and we're waiting for you!'
*uncontrollable screaming*
I kind of feel like the designs from the second movie onward tried to make the suits look more like the cartoon designs, most likely to appeal more to younger kids.
Secret of the Ooze in particular seems to hint at this: The bandannas are brighter, their eyes are bigger and brighter, their facial expressions are more exaggerated and cartoonish. You could argue TMNT 3 took it further, but I think that's more due to the suits being made by a different company.
30 years later and those Turtles in the 1990 film still look SO REAL! They don’t look like costumes, they look REAL
The toys they made over the years were all good. Lol remember the ones and could transform back into turtles? I loved it for some reason.
To answer your question about the old heads:
I do sets and props for a living. Including some creatures (when I'm lucky.) Latex decays over time. While it can often last for decades, during that time it starts to stiffen and get brittle. So if you have an animatronic or puppet where the latex needs to flex and curl, it will very likely crack. The masks you're showing pictures of are many decades old and are falling apart on their own. Eventually they'll slough most of the paint and turn brown shrivel. Pretty horrifying, honestly when it's faces.
What IS more perplexing is why they didn't make an attempt to get the old molds and just cast and paint some new skins for the existing animatronics, or a copy of them. Granted molds have a finite life too, but you can restore a mold or clean up a casting from an older, damaged mold. It's weird there weren't notes on how to make the animatronics available to them, at least. Maybe it's being spoiled by the digital age, but I can't imagine a production where detailed documents aren't passed back and forth to be approved this day in age. Maybe it was different back then.
Though, in my experience, also, shit from productions just tends to disappear in subsequent years for no discernable reason. It can be absolutely tragic in many cases because so many artifacts from classic films are just lost. Maybe destroyed.
As a kid TMNT 2 was my favorite turtle movie. As an adult the first one is. The same goes for Ghostbusters. I have never been able to get through TMNT 3... ever...
I haven't seen 3 yet and I want to
@@kyotoandsunchips8585 I think 3 is judged way too harshly. I actually prefer the face shapes of Donnie, Raph and Mikey in 3 over 2....(Leo is an abomination though)
It's silly, but Corey Feldman is back as Donatello which is a HUGE plus - and the fight scenes are way better than 2.
I think the witty banter between the turtles is also much better in 3 than in 2.
2 just fumbled on so many things....no weapons, the secret of the ooze story itself was botched, no rocksteady and bebop, rehash of shredder, no Casey Jones.....
In 3 the turtles also have inner battles and a little emotional growth they have to deal with when it comes to feudal japan vs current day NY which I thought was cool.
And the side plot of Casey is actually pretty funny.
3 is comfortable in its own skin. I think if people watch it back it's not as bad as they remember.
Sequels meant more story, back then! This is likely why everyone loved TMNT 2 more.
I don't know why but I can always cassualy watch tmnt 3 fully same for the others too
TMNT 1990 is Wonderful. Some scenes I will argue are heartfelt and genuinely amazing
“ Ip man style shredder “
Me : Badass yes yes yes let’s see it !
the first one is so good, i still have my vhs tape from when i was 10 years old, i dont even have a vhs player anymore, but i dont have the heart to throw it out, best comic book movie ever
i feel like Nick should lose the right to TMNT.
Yeah with their new series I get that they want to switch things up but the whole magic thing, I just cant get behind. TMNT never had a magic element to it. I know it's weird and ignorant to say this but adding magic to TMNT reminds me of knock off ninja shows and them trying to be cool and relevant 2019 where the landscape had changed. Idk
TL;DR The magic element in the new series just seems off
I agree with you both!
well turtles 2003 did some stuff with magic in season 5 but i dont think they did any thing with it after and they were right some how it just does not fit the turtles
You should have included the 2007 CGI film given it's technically the fourth film in this series.
No what are u talking about that’s the 3rd one the other one never happened don’t tell anyone 🤫
I agree 1st movie best version ever!!!
Dude you hit it right on the money with this video! Very excellent job man. I thought that I was the only one who noticed that they changed the looks of the turtles in the sequels. But yes, the original costumes from the 1990 film are the best ones...
"raphael.. he's the leader of the group transformed from the norm by the nuclear goop! pizza's the food that's sure to please, these ninjas are in to pepperoni and cheese!"
i knew every word of that turtle power song as a kid!😄😄😄
Wow, I didn't remember that the turtles from part III looked so bad!
You should also include splinters design. 1990 was by far the best. It looked like a real animal. The nose was wet. And had a lot of moisture in the eyes. You could almost imagine what he’d smell like from how real everything looked.
The reason why TMNT 2 they didn’t use weapons was because they had a contract with toy stores and ToysRUs and Kaybee ....they thought the first movie was way too violent .... a multi million contract they was strict on TMNT II no weapons were to be used, or else all toys would be pulled off of shelves....
The original heads were sold to collectors, since you seemed to want to know. It wasn't rot that got em it was $.
Apparently when it came down to it, parents wanted them to be more and more safe, and cartoonish.. so that's why their design became so bad.
I owned the 1990 movie as a kid. To this day, there is still not a single movie that I've seen more times. It has that perfect mixture of comedy and darkness. It is the most realistic movie as well. And yes, the costumes have not been matched since. I doubt any turtles movie will ever surpass this one.
Original 3 tmnt movies were & still betta dan da newer versions regardless of any
Thoughts\words any1 has
I always enjoyed the 3rd movie more than the 2nd. I was so distracted by the turtles going out of their way to avoid using their weapons that it completely destroyed the film. While the 3rd film was nowhere near what I wish it was, I was just so relieved to see them using their weapons again to where it helped me enjoy the film much more than if they had avoided them like in the 2nd movie.
The puppets look far more real than the terrible cgi movies
Your commentary is awesome dude! The original TMNT is still the best.
I remember going to see part 3 in the movies and told my mother I was going to the bathroom and stayed out side playing the arcades instead she was pissed 😡
Lol was it that bad back then? I didnt even notice as a kid.i do now! Lol
Damn ya mom should have punished you for a month you left her in there to watch a wack movie all alone
Some insights: eyes were the most important feature on any character or creature. The eyes in the 1990 movie have much better proportions and realism to a "real creature" compared to the cartoony versions of movies 2 and 3. The poportion of the bandanas and how the eyes sit behind them are one of the keys to achieving the "classic turtle look". Whoever did the sculpts and animatronics for the subsequent films didn't bother to capture these details.
In regards to the movie #2 and 3, they were told to tone down the violence, hence the lack of weapon use and more slapstick / Jackie Chan style action comedy with found props and weapons. This was reflected in the look of the eyes and the faces.
Understand that on number 3, I assume contractually that they had no access to the original molds used by Jim Henson's company, so all new sculpts and molds were made. Based on the artist / sculptors interpretation, you could have liknesses that are more truthful to the originals or more like charicatures.
The reason why Raph's face (as an example) looks so different from 1990 to movie #3 is that the size of the eyes and the way the bandana overlaps the brow of the eyes, making the 1990 version more "scowled" constantly. The other versions could be off by 5mm and it would throw this look off.
Also, they seemed to have made the mouth areas bigger on the subsequent movies to fit in more servos (or cheaper ones) resulting less accurate looking faces.
1, & 2 are the best.
It seems like the fx company in the third movie didn't realize they were supposed to be turtles and not frogs until they were about to start filming.
I think the first one needs a 4k remaster to make it look the best! Easily the best movie in the trilogy!
I always enjoyed the thing that played on the VHS right before the movie of the first one
The 90 turtles was original, thats why my childhood was the BEST!! Keep the TMNT legacy going, but the new one has a interesting look. Did Donny have some glasses on, in that updated version? LOL and by the way that 3rd TMNT movie design was so..... weird looking. The Eyeballs were bigger than the eye covers. LOL
Man the 1990s was a good time. Wish i could transport back to the 90s. Hopefully they'll invent a time machine.
Time sceptre?
imagine seeing this opening day, that would be so fun. Everyone super excited 😃
@Punk rock Squat topiaProbably. I don't remember the 80s as well because i was young. I was born in 1984. But i love movies, wrestling and music from that era. The music from 1980s is my favourite.
I loved the the original one and their looks, that movie had passion with heart and done right.
Great video bro. U mentioned not being able to pinpoint what made Raphael's face look different between parts 1&2 and I realized it's all in the eyes. Raphael's face is also slightly rounder in part 2 but he has wide open, round eyes in part 2 where as his eyes are more squinted in part 1 which makes him look meaner. Different eyes, face and voice for all of em, but Raph and Donny were most noticable. Part 1 was definitely the best one tho hands down IMO
These movies are masterpiece classics in my opinion I remember watching the first two as a kid especially the first one then years later I watched it again to only see just how amazing it was with depth of characters the scenes with the music go so well together with a dark gritty comedic feel I just love the originals an wish they remade them today with the costumes and not CGI one can only hope but I feel those times ate long gone.
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1 and 3 movies were my favorite as kid.
The "it's just for kids, what did you expect?" viewpoint really grinds my gears. The reason the first film did so well and it was the most successful indie film EVER is because it took the source material seriously. If you treat kids like idiots then they'll become idiots.
It's shame that the sub-par sequels have clouded the reputation of the first movie.
I like how the clip opens with Mikey getting punked by Shredder
I liked Donatello in part 2 alot more.
(Probably because i watched part 2 first)
But i can give reasons why, he looks and sounds more dorky/intelligent.
That's all.