Andre and TFL, your range calculations was wrong! 123 kWh / 892 Wh/mile = 138 miles on a full 100% charge. Going as a normal EV road tripper with 10-80% charging schedule you have 100 miles of range while towing. While respectable it will be some years before Cybertruck / Rivian / F150 Lightning goes from ~130kWh to 150 kWh or 180 kWh battery. 150 kWh / 892 Wh/mile = 168 miles, 10-80% = 118 miles 180 kWh / 892 Wh/mile = 202 miles, 10-80% = 141 miles. The 10-80% is chosen because it takes about 30-35 minutes to charge perfect for a road trip. 80-100% usually takes another 30-40 minutes so you do not want to keep charging above 80% unless you are enjoying a good meal.
Can you actually make a video to demonstrate its climbing ability? Steep uphill mountain slope etc. Also, using the highest suspension setting, try to clear rocks up to 16 inches high and stuff like that! A comprehensive off road test is definitely in demand!
ERROR: Your math is incorrect on the energy usage. 892 wh/mi = 1.12 miles per kW. You divided in the wrong direction. 15:48. At that rate you could tow that trailer maybe 137 miles.
Yes, sounds good. Besides that we would not be allowed such a big ass trailer on a puny little car like the CT in Europe. But then we could always use real trucks. I would use the CT to haul parts to my customers. No ned to drive around with a 100.000 cubic feet farmhouse.
Someone needs to show Butter_EV how to set up the height of that hitch if he plans on towing that trailer with it. The ass end of the trailer was about 6" higher than the front end.
With 100 miles of range, I seriously doubt he plans to tow that trailer with the Cybertruck on a regular basis. Looks to me like they took the hitch off the 3500 and tossed it on the Cybertruck just for this video. They didn't even use the weight distribution / sway control bars, so there was no reason to use the Blue Ox hitch in the first place. With that much sail area behind the truck, they *should* use the hitch for the sway control functionality, but they probably didn't want to include that step in the video since they do not normally use WD/SC hitches (even when they should).
@@that.schamp I assume you are american? The ONLY use I can think of where I would use more than 30miles of range would be a caravan, and that's about 1% of trailer use where I'm from. It seems wild to think of somebody thinking 100miles is limiting 😆
@dirtroadsailing6418 if you hadn’t noticed, the owner had it hooked up to his Ram. Andre just took the hitch and threw it on the CT just for this quick test.
The title to this video is WRONG. Only being able to go 100 mi to without looking for a charging station that you have to unhook from your trailer to use is NOT a capable tow vehicle. People who say the Cybertruck can’t tow are RIGHT. Just because a vehicle has enough torque to PULL doesn’t mean it can TOW. My tractor can PULL but I’m not going to go down the interstate with it pulling a travel trailer. TFL needs to get out of the tank for EV’s. Someday, they might be capable. But, currently they are just a scam.
Yeah I can't even imagine having to stop, unhitch a trailer and wait to charge (possibly in a line) multiple times on just a 4-5 hour trip, what a joke!
Pretty good based on gas at 33.7kwhs per gallon or diesel at 37.9kwhs a gallon in total useable energy. That's 35-40+mpge while towing a monster trailer with massive aero drag at hwy speeds. Combined weight of 15-17k pounds to! 👍🏻😎 My 2019 f-150xl here in ATL towing my little landscape trailer maxed at about 5k gets 9-12mpg. Which is over 3kwhs used per mile. 😅
@@4literv6good on you for at least having an accurate understanding of the energy consumption, vast majority of people don't know how to compare at all. Battery chemistry tech advancement will considerably accelerate in the coming years due to increased investment and AI materials science research. Most people can't also understand that it is inevitable that as EVs achieve "more in the tank" via higher energy density and better chemistry, they are the only logical solution to powertrains and efficient transportation, combined with nuclear power and other nearly free energy production solutions. Why put all the effort in to getting oil out of the ground when we won't have to....
@@supraman321na4 excellently worded cogent analysis, few will be able to comprehend it who spent their lives sniffing gas fumes. 👍🏻 I've seen numbers claiming 10-12% of ALL our energy expended as a society is in the pursuit of finding more oil gas and coal deposits to exploit. Further 40-45% of ALL global shipping emissions is just to transport oil coal and methane gas(so called natural gas)supplies around the world. Meanwhile at every step of the way? Fossil fuels require insane amounts of electricity water and chemicals to process&extract them. Nevermind to transport and store the processed now consumable fuels. Using? Massive electric motors, batteries and electricity of course! 😀
Moving weight was never a question, it was how far it can move the weight that was the question. And while Andrea did get his math backwards, it doesn't change the fact that even at a more aero efficient 55mph, the truck does not have great range. For all the people complaining about him not using the cameras instead of the mirrors, the display is in the center of the truck forcing you to look right if you want to go left which is counter intuitive on every level. A better solution would be to have an A pillar mounted screen for the mirror cameras, where you are more naturally going to look. The truck isn't designed, engineered or built for people who want a truck for actual truck things. The Cybertruck is designed, engineered and built for people who want the most ridiculous looking truck on the road that they will very occasionally put some house plants or bags of mulch in the bed. It's an accessory not a tool.
The truck as CONFIGURED fits the largest cross section of buyers. By the time we get 2X the battery density to make towing reasonable I expect Tesla will have a real towing solution. As it is now I don't see it as a priority. Few will be towing with this range.
Easy fix, just tow a 500 kWh battery tied into truck as a range extender and you still have 2500 lbs of towing. It may triple the price of the truck but it's totally practical... Right?
I think the steering wheel control over emergency braking is cool. Never understood why most manufacturers place the brake controller in the worst position for emergency braking. Would like to see OEM placement better (not necessarily on the steering wheel).
With Electric vehicles on long trips or towing, you only want to charge the battery at the steepest portion of the charge curve, between less than 10 and 80 percent. With V4 supercharger you can add 70 percent capacity in 10 minutes. Don’t waste your time trying to get to 100 percent because that will cost you additional 30 to 40 minutes for insignificant gain in capacity. Batteries are not fuel tanks. They need to be preconditioned before fast charging. What’s needed is more pull through charging stations. There may need to be enclosed conditioned space fast charging in cold climates. For serious commercial use case, the Tesla Semi is available. Cybertruck is a light duty truck.
I have a 31.5' 5th wheel i pull with my f150. I can do 350 miles before I need fuel towing or 700+ miles unloaded. And when I need fuel it's a 10 min stop to 100% fuel capacity. Cybertruck is a proof of concept on a lot of very cool technology. it's not practical for many applications where a full size truck is.
I'll stick with my f-250. I towa lott of stuff. In all kinds of templates. It sounds like I would be stopping multiple times in a trip to recharge this thing. And sitting there for 30 minutes. To do so. Turning a 3-hour trip into a 4 or 5-hour trip. This thing is a mall crawler. Out of the city, your route is dependent on where there is a charger. I can carry extra fuel with me. After the cool factor and the look at me wears off. I dont think sales are going to be that robust in the future. But hey, what do I know.
If they offer a smaller version, sales will be through the absolute roof. Not everyone needs a huge F250. Majority of sedan drivers can easily replace sedans with small pickups. We've had one Toyota pickup for 30+ years in our family. Never needed anything bigger than that. For people that need big trucks, they are there. You have plenty to choose from. For people that just want small trucks, our options are more limited.
Well most people do not use their trucks like you do. Infact less than 10% of truck owners use their trucks for truck duties. Tesla will sell every single one of these they can make for many years to come to the urban truck users Just fine. Your complain could be said about electric cars in general but we see their sale numbers keep going up in America and across the world.
WOW! Didn't mean to insult your messiah Elon. That is only since the us government made it impossible for US auto makers to make any money with cars. Other than Muscal cars. They can't compete with Asia and Eurupe. So, they started pushing trucks on people. Due to the lighter regulations. these people don't even need a utilitarian vehicle. That 10% used to be the main target demo for trucks in the 90s and later. But hey, like I said. What do I know?@@achasilas6535
All technology has to start somewhere and develop over time. This is still early in the EV development and the fact they are this good this early is amazing. People want to take an early tech and compare it to something not even comparable. People who actually tow a lot or travel around the globe pulling a camper typically do not buy 1/2 ton trucks. 1/2 toners are your country Cadillacs, or occasional weekend fishing trips. These trucks fit beautifully into the 1/2 ton profile, if you’re honest with yourself. Had my Lightning for 2 years now, I drive the hell out of it. My previous trucks sat in the driveway waiting for a use case that justified the .30-.40 cents per mile operating costs. EV trucks don’t fit every use case (today), maybe they never will. But they do fit many 1/2 ton use cases.
If he's saying it gets 100 miles on a full charge, that's unusable because you don't go down to 0, you recharge at around 20 miles. Next you don't charge to 100%, you stop at 80. So that would mean a real range of 60. Factor in unhitching and re-hitching, you would do the equivalent of 30 mph if you were using highways doing 60 mph.
With the battery extension (16000$, 50kWh), you are close to a range of 200mls. You‘d have to charge every 3hrs. Not so bad. But a Diesel truck is more convenient for towing huge trailers over long distances.
You've been working with Roman for twenty years now? Might it be that trailer charging in America is different than in Europe? Towing is very common in Europe; Tesla should anticipate on this, I guess. 😎. Like to see critical notes about this truck. The overload of power. Wear and tear of tires (nobody talks about this) and other issues. Thank you for making this. 🙏👌
The cyber trough is a vanity project for the wealthy. It's enough of a truck to satisfy those who want to be _seen_ in a truck. Real tradesmen who _need_ real trucks, to do real truck things, like pipeline welders, carpenters/construction guys, and cold climate, long distance /off grid journey folks, off road expeditions, etc, will stick to real trucks, not grid bound electric look-at-me trucks.
Yes, you ar right, every one of my neighbors has a 30 meter long trailer @ home and drives around with it all the time. Grocery shopping, Bison hunting, Mastodon killing etc. They use their VW Polo and Ford Fiesta, some even have this big ass Suzuki SJ410 to tow their 40 ton farmhouses all the time. Why should a 3 ton vehicle from Tesla have more tire wear and tear than a 3 ton vehicle from VW, Audi, Mercedes?
@@wolfgangpreier9160 Tire life is dictated by the _drivers habits_ and use. Aggressive drivers wear tires faster. People who tow heavy, frequently, wear drive tires faster too. Part of the reason vehicles designed to tow, have duals on the drive axles. If you drive a tesla like an 80 year old, you can probably get decent tire life out of it.....
@@jamesgeorge4874 Our trucks all drive duallies to reduce the tire pressure on the roads. And their tires last a looong time. Mine ast as long as before on the outdated VW Diesels. 40.000km for each set, Summer and winter. We have to change each season, thats mandatory. Some vehicles are allowed All season tires, but those are ecptions. Even trucks must change twice ech year. We are not allowed below 3mm on winter and 1.6 millimeters on summer tires. Trucks have of course different, larger limits. Otherwise it gets expensive and the insurances do not pay anymore. If trucks are found with wrong tres, lower thread depth or defective brakes it can get into the thousands of Euros in fines very fast. I drive my Tesla slower than before my VW Caddy with 100 HP. Because i can. One minute more over 100km distance. Top Speed 130 km/h on the Autobahn. Thats enough for me. The Germans drive not slower than 250 at least. But here in Austria 130 is enough. If that is slow for you - I can live with it.
Lets be real: 1) Hardly any trucks tow, and among those trucks that do, they often tow locally. 2) If you can afford a CT, you can afford a dedicated tow rig. 3) The CT is obviously exceptional at many things traditional ICE trucks simply cannot do. The CT is not for everyone, but it certainly has some strong competitive advantages and will likely be a hit in the market. The fact that Tesla made the CT in the first place is the biggest set of truck nuts you've ever seen.
you would not want to add air suspension to every truck, try driving in negative temps, your battery charge will be significantly less, and your air suspension might not work, which will damage the vehicle, i have a ram rebel with air suspension filled with nitrogen, which doesn't freeze, but the issue wasn't not having nitrogen, it was the compressor freezing and where i live we get 6 months of intense cold weather, i was literally told by dodge, don't drive it, or pay for the conversion kit which is putting coil springs back into the vehicle
Short term: don't use an EV to haul a high drag load more than 100ish miles. Which meets the needs of 95+% of people. Long term: put batteries and drive trains in the trailers (see estream, pebble flow, and lightship). Optimize the truck for how it is used most often. Putting a big enough battery in the truck to give 200-300 miles of range when towing kills efficiency for the 95+% use case where it isn't needed. If you put the additional battery and drive train (with regen braking) in the trailer, you are now optimized for that use case. When you do need to charge, you can now charge the two smaller battery packs in parallel - quicker than the single larger battery pack.
I see you set it up to fail. First, you hooked it up without the weight distribution bars attached. Second, you did the math wrong to make the range number lower by over 30%. Good job.
🤣🤣🤣weight distribution will take you further? My buddy does California to Idaho every other weekend towing his 5th wheel, it would take him three or four days instead of one night after work to get there if it'll even tow a fifth wheel with that funky bed.
@@armadilllo The point is that to be fair the rig should have been set up properly. Not that it would have 2X or 3Xed the range. Starting with the bad math and the setup nobody knows what the results should have been. Have you seen any CT's in armadillo ?
@@armadilllo I did not say that. Not using the proper weight distribution on a trailer that size and bad math are 2 different things. He also did not have the trailer level. It was a badly executed test all the way around. The weight distribution would not affect the range, but it could have introduced instability, would have been dangerous on the interstate. It would have been more noticeable on a lighter truck. The trailer being nose down instead of level I am not sure about as far as range goes, but it could also affect stability. Bad math to reduce the range by more than 30% is just bad math. I don't know if he did it on purpose or not. I doubt the Cybertruck was designed with your buddy's fifth wheel in mind. This might come as a shock to you, but different trucks are designed to do different things.
TFL - I don't think people are arguing that the EV truck can't tow at all... they are arguing/stating they cannot tow for a normal-ish range. At ~70mph it will probably tow it fine - but for well under 100 miles at that point. Which is unacceptable - if you have a travel trailer you are trying to get out and explore and having to pull over every 1 1/2 hrs or so to refuel/charge - will be nearly impossible at a supercharger station with a trailer hooked up ... VERY impractical use case for the cybertruck at this point until towing ranges and charging for ev trucks improve (i.e. ability to pull into a bay and charge WITH your trailer connected). Maybe having a range extender battery hooked up to your trailer would help in the future ? Not sure but its not fully baked yet.
You divided the wrong way, It's distance divided by energy used, which is 1.1 miles/kWh. when looking at the energy used, it actually got 1.121 miles per kWh. That's as good as it gets, for hauling a large travel trailer! You should have no problem towing 100 miles with the standard size battery, closer to 130 miles with the big battery, assuming setting off with 100% charge.
I'm towing my 28' RV with Nissan NV3500 HD (1 ton) witn 25 gallon tank 7 mpg -> it gives me 110-120 miles range (comfortable) in WA State in between fill-ups. I'm not sure why crowd is freaking out about the tow range because it's not very different for a lot of gas vehicles, except for the HD diesel trucks.
The first is the availability of charging options compared to gas stations. When I am trip planning I can easily find gas stations on most any route . And if I thought I might get in a pinch I could put a couple of 5-gallon cans in the truck bed for reserve. Second is the time to refuel. My F250 has a similar size tank to your truck and I can easily refuel in about 10 minutes. Bonus reason: I'll be pulling my trailer about 1,200 miles to Texas to watch the eclipse in April. Looking at my route almost all of the chargers I see would require unhitching.
@@archaneyyou mean other than refuelng your nv is a 5 minute affair with many more options and locations and charging is gonna be at least 5x that long and there's no telling if a charger will be in range.
I agree with Nissan truck owner. Towing with cyber truck on auto pilot will be heaven. I will trade off 20 minutes supercharge time every 100 miles with auto pilot on, instead of five minute gas station every 120 miles White knuckle manual driving.
Nobody said they "cant" tow. They just arent efficient as a tow rig. And lets be honest people arent buying it to tow they are buying it to haul groceries and drive back and forth to a daily job
I don't hate EV's, but as for pulling a trailer that would require charging at a public charging facility goes. No. For one, charging stations are not laid out like a gas station where people are in a line. Charging stations are laid out side by side and depending on how large the facility is, you may be blocking off part of the lot. And to have to unhitch and rebook? No. Two. Unlike a gas station where you pretty much pull straight in, you would have to maneuver your vehicle and trailer so it goes head in and straight in order to not piss people off. Three. A petrol vehicle with trailer may block a pump or two, but it's relatively short compared to charging an EV. Four. I can fuel up less and pretty much everywhere which results in less wasted time and stops.
The towing itself went well but I think Elan really screwed up with the battery size , I need at least 200 miles of towing and 100 or even 135 limits you to how far you travel , when I go camping it's usually always with a bit of a climb thru the mountains and that would further decrease mileage . He promised us 500 miles and wasn't even close . If i order an extender battery i reduce my bed size to a mini truck [ why didn't they fit it in the bed floor storage space ? . I really want one but have to reconsider because of this .
People crack me up talking about how “bad” electric trucks are towing. I’ve got a 23 ZR2 with a 6.2. I typically average around 16 mpg if just highway driving at 72 mph. When towing my 6,000 lb boat, I’m lucky if I get 8 mpg. Only difference would be charging with a trailer vs just pulling in to a gas station. Electric doesn’t seem that bad to me.
My favorite part of EV videos is reading the mental gymnastics people go through to justify their use. I genuinely hope that EVs get better in the coming decade, but for right now they are just impractical and unaffordable for anyone that doesn't live in a major urban area.
I'd love to have an EV as my daily driver but the tech just isn't there to realistically tow a camper. Also, kind of surprised you guys posted a video where the trailer hitch isn't set at the right level.
Absolutly no one says it cant tow, infact it can tow better than most. The real problem is that it cant tow long and there's not enough charging stations or infrastructure to support it
Well done. Clearly for those doing a lot of towing, the range extender would help a fair amount. I imagine having battery powered trailers would be one of the solutions to consider, and that are already coming to market.
so $80,000 for the truck, $25,000 for the trailer, plus taxes and insurance so you’re around $110,000 for a truck and trailer that you have to stop every hour to charge.
Thanks, Andre! My heuristic for EV truck owners is 1 mi/kWh when towing heavy, high-profile trailers. I've been saying this for a while, and so far, every truck that's come out has pretty much confirmed it (though my rule of thumb is a little on the conservative side... maybe 10%). So the shorthand for prospective EV truck buyers who plan to tow larger trailer is: Look at the overall battery capacity, and plan for the same range in miles as the truck has kWh of capacity. So right now: Cybertruck (123 miles); Lightning SR/EX (98/131 miles), R1T Large/Max ( 135/149 miles), and Silverado 3WT/4WT (180/212 miles).
Note the weight and tow reduction due to battery weight on the Silverados. Not so bad for towing but losing 1000lbs or so off the payload hurts. This is where the range extender for he CT makes some sense. Lets hope the execute it in a good way.
@@danharold3087 Sure, it's a trade off, but you'll notice that the 3WT not only has 50% more range than the Cybtertruck, it has ~350 lbs more payload than the 212 kWh Silverado 4WT and has1,500 lbs more rated towing capacity than the Cybertruck. The Silverado EV is also more efficient with faster charging than the Cybtertruck, but the charging speed is all that really matters when talking about worst-case towing scenarios. If Chevy still makes a Silverado EV 1WT. then it would likely have a similar battery capacity and range to the Cybertruck, but the 1WT would likely have better (or at least similar) payload capacity and thousands of pounds of additional towing capacity. Regardless, at this point, the options for EV trucks are still fairly narrow and limited. Also, you'll want to note that the actual bed payload capacity for EV trucks is much lower than the overall payload. For example, despite having a 2,500 lb. payload capacity, the Cybertruck's bed capacity is only 1,200 to 1,500 lbs., so the difference between it and the Silverado EV might not be as significant as it looks on paper.
I'd say in the real world you need to be taking 70 max 80% of these values because you don't want to go to zero and the charge curve profile. The top 15% of the battery can take as long to charge as the first 85% on some vehicles.
@@danharold3087 That's not what the GVWR numbers for the rear axle state. Even in ICE trucks that are heavily biased toward rear payload, the bed capacity is never 100% of the total payload capacity. The bed capacity is, at most, total payload minus passenger weight and front/cab payload. In the case of the Cybertruck, the payload weight directly over the rear axle cannot exceed 1,200 to 1,500 lbs., so in that video you saw where the Cybertruck owner put 1,800 lbs of drywall in the bed, it was overloaded by at least 300 lbs. (and that was obvious just based on the stance).
Anyone think the common “300mile range” for EV’s isn’t as much about technology now as it is control? The WEF wants 15minute cities, is it plausible these are intentionally being limited?
I think it’s pretty clear that battery energy density is a limiting factor. Newer, more streamlined EVs are already getting pretty good range above 300, so I don’t think there is any conspiracy to artificially limit them when actual technology and chemistry limitations are doing that by themselves.
Look at these teardowns, It's not like there's some big empty space left for the pack. The entire floor is a battery. If you think that every EV manufacturer is colluding with the WEF you really need to reevaluate yourself.
The energy usage will always be problem with electric vehicles when towing something big. Since the electric motor is 3 or 4 times more efficient then combustion engine, you can get away with 3x or 4x less total energy in the battery (for normal usage). But then you start towing and the trailer doesn't suddenly become more efficient just becouse you are using EV and the lost energy is much more significant part of the total onergy contained in the battery.
I have never seen a public tesla EV charger that you can use with a trailer attached to your truck. With that short range you know you are going to charge atleast once.
We are travelling ftom Northern Mi to Colorado come spring. Using an Electric " overpriced" truck is not even an option for us. It is clear we were all LIED to concerning an EV Truck. RV'ers travel long distances. An EV just doesn't fit that agenda.
Respect to the guy for letting TFL review this truck but no way the truck itself earns any of my respect ubtil I see it go through The Gauntlet Test. Of course I will let it slide on tbe 30 second pause at fill up part. 😬
The darker color looks better than the stainless steel version, but I'm just not a fan of the styling (both interior and exterior). I get that it tries to be different... but it kind of tries too hard. Like why the hell would they not have an instrument cluster (even a digital one)? The speedometer is on the center console? Why are the mirrors shaped like that? Why is the gear selector on the frickin ceiling? Little things like that would drive me crazy, and I'd say are just distracting and inconvenient for no reason other than to be "different". Anyway, let's be real... you're more likely to see a 3-legged unicorn farting rainbow dust than one of these actually towing anything. I'm sure they 'can' tow fine, but it just seems a bit impractical. But to each their own.
I pull a 28ft Airstream with a 2023 F250 Godzilla engine over 10,000 miles per year cross country. There is no way I could do that with a Cyber Truck because of the charge requirements. I think EVs are not prime time for me and my usage. If I was simply driving around town, it may be something to consider If the cost of ownership was actually less than my F250.
Love your test. Thanks. I do,a lot of TT towing your comment on tow mirrors is spot on. However I purchased wireless cameras that mount on the forward side marker lights on both sides and a rear view camera. This system has a separate screen with multiple views of each camera. I can foresee how Tesla could incorporate such a system in upgraded versions of Cyber trucks eliminating the need for larger towing mirrors. Are you listening Tesla?
Yea, they’re neat and all, but I’ll keep my outdated 7.3l Powerstroke 6 speed superduty for towing/daily driving. Easy to work on, 18mpg, comfortable, and sounds good. The EVs would have been much better if they marketed them to folks who drive 20 miles to work and back in towns as a cheap alternative to I.C.E.s. In my opinion🤷🏽♂️
Yeah, it can tow, but for how many miles before you must get into the line to recharge, and how many miles LESS will you get if the temperature is below freezing?
Can you get hold of a Tesla Semi and pull 42foot Fifth Wheel that weighs in around 22K gvwr to see if you can get 300 miles of travel. Or maybe some ev that is similar to an M2-106 RV hauler
The Semi is capable of towing to a gross vehicle weight of 82,000 pounds, the maximum allowed by law. That's 2,000 pounds more than diesel rigs are permitted and 500 miles range if with added battery pack
It's 5 miles to the boat ramp from my house so I guess a Cybertruck would work but my 95 Chevy will still be running in 20 years and the Cybertruck will be a paperweight.
someone needs to design and build an extension cable for charging at a super charger with a trailer. I realize that is easier said than done, it would likely have to be very beefy.
I would like to see a comparison driving at your speeds 70-80 compared to driving just 55 I know for California. I'm looking at it from the efficiency standpoint. I have a small airplane that flies at 37 miles an hour. So of course, it will make a huge difference. Like to know what your tests are also towing other aerodynamic Designs , Airstream ? Etc .and Real numbers. What do you think?
Every 100 miles and then a 40min stop to get 80% so then 80 miles. That is also going down to 0% which a) you are not suppose to do for battery health and b) you would be risking a break down if you missed the exit or if the super charger wasnt work. This all ignores really cold weather too. Horrible results....the Ike is going to destroy this thing.
7,000 pounds! 😂. That’s it?! Oh my gosh, my Mercedes GL 550 tows that as well as carrying 7 people. We drove all over the country with a trailer almost identical to this and consistently got 3-4 hundred miles and 10 minute gas fill ups. Now we’re at 17,000 pounds and still seat six in an actual real truck. Sorry folks, EV trucks are a joke. 😂. All joking aside, I don’t want to hurt any fan boys feelings, but this craze is quickly coming to an end. Even Hertz has dumped the technology. All the claims of low maintenance are proving to be false. Toyota, the biggest car manufacturer on the planet has hedged their bets and put time, money, and resources into hybrid tech. I think once the dust settles, that will be the prevailing technology. For me, there is just no way I would give up my Cummins, even with all the drama going on right now. And if the government mandates it…. well, they will have to pry it from my cold dead lifeless fingers!
There’s no way in my line of work that i would ever use an EV for hauling parts to paint and body shops in the west texas area, i drive on average, 270 miles a day, plus there’s really not any power charging stations around here where i live, i’ve seen some at a walmart parking lot about 85 miles away and one at a dealership 70 miles away, it’s a cool looking truck 🛻, but i wouldn’t buy one, but hey, more power to those who can afford one, just not my cup of coffee lol 😂
I have an affinity for technology, but I am not fond of electric vehicles (EVs). I believe that we should wait for at least 15 more years for the battery technology and charging infrastructure to improve significantly before investing in them. As of now, they are not worth the money and are comparable to disposable cameras in terms of their value.
Solution is simple. Buy a gas or diesil truck for towing. And buy a Model 3 for daily miles. Best of both worlds. And buy a cybertruck just because its beautiful.
I haven't run into anyone saying the Tesla wouldn't be able to tow, everyone I knew just highly suspected it wouldn't be able to tow very far... and they were right. Even being generous and saying 150 miles range is terrible. Unless you're making 1 or maybe 2 short trips (maybe to the harware store or something similar) it's pretty well useless. Most people are aware (or maybe I'm giving too much credit) that the instant torque EVs have gives them better acceleration and pulling power, but you don't have much range. Also the heavy weight of the batteries makes it less capable offroad, the EV part makes it less capable on a trail away from a power source, as well as less modable. You'll have to replace the battery in 8-10 years for probably 30k. The Tesla looks interesting, accelerates quickly, but is mostly just an expensive toy for trendy urbanites who almost never leave their city and want everything they own to be able to connect to the cloud. The Cybertruck reality is about as expected...
Towed one time with a model X, realized then and there these cars are NOT meant for towing. Worst experience of my life. Had an 8 hour trip to Washington from sac California. Literally turned into a 20 hour trip because we had to stop every 75-85 miles to charge. Worst part was we had to lift the huge uhaul trailer off every single time in the cold rain to back into the charge and plug it in. Eventually the guy who we were supposed to meet to drop off some bikes decided to drive 4 hours down and meet us in Oregon (we never made it to Washington) to come tow the bikes back to his shop. Worst experience of my life and the weight of everything was about half of what the model x could do. This was also a 2020 long range rated for 340 miles. We decided to rent a 2013 ford f150 for the next delivery and we stopped once for gas which one a 5 minute fill up and costed around the same as supercharging. The car was rated for 480 miles and we got 420 towing the exact rig…..this is coming from a huge Tesla supporter but I’m also in reality. Last thing I’ll add is near mount shasta we had sudden insane power draw since we were going uphill and there weren’t enough superchargers so I even had to shut off the heater, drive 25mph (limit was 55 for trailers) and put my hazards on all the way to make it with 2% to the charger on top of the mountain. Even with the new range extender the cyber truck will SUCK at towing. Maybe 140-150miles max you’ll be getting for a 120-130k+ truck….
Yup. EV’s are so efficient that even minor changes in load/drag affect them a large amounts. Thats why there are ev specific tires that are designed to reduce rolling resistance and aerodynamic drag as low as possible because even that can add 10% to your range. Tesla does everything to make their cars have the lowest drag coefficient as possible. When you put a big rectangular box behind them you are increasing the drag by a huge amount. On top of that, that added drag almost eliminates the need for regenerative braking on the freeway unless you are going down an extremely steep grade.
@@Jay-me7gw My brother towed an RV with a 3.5 ecoboost v6 F150. He got 8 mpg and had 200 miles of range with 23 gallions. I pulled it with a 6.2 v8 raptor with 210,000 miles on it and got 10.5. High effciency vehicles even ICE take a huge hit towing.
@@MotoGPatrick Its hard to compare a single tow in one truck to a single tow in another truck though. I had an F150 Ecoboost for 9 years and towed the same trailer 22,000 miles with it. I saw anywhere from 6.7 mpg to 11 mpg depending on the weather conditions. Usually i was around 9.5 mpg. And that was towing at 70mph most of the time. But I do agree, Ecoboosts take a bigger hit while towing than V8's because they start higher in the first place. Thats the nature of it. The Ecoboost is addressing efficiency at lighter loads where most half tons spend most of their time. At high loads everything evens out because that is where the V8 is most efficient per hp generated, when the throttle plate is nearly wide open. You're now dependent on the energy content of the fuel so they will both be about even. But, also, your brother made a big mistake getting a 23 gallon tank if he intended to tow. Any F150 can be spec'd with the 36 gallon tank making the range 288 miles at 8 mpg.
The solution for all EV towing is trailers with their own EV drivetrain and battery. and pull through charger docs. The silverado EV extra weight and low efficiency puts non towing driving at gas costs.
I’m not a fan of Teslas but I think I’m the only person who doesn’t think EVs and long distance driving. Why everyone online thinks about these 2 things together, are clowns. EVs are great for city driving and towing trailers within a city will be perfect for the range.
I dont think anyone says it can't tow. Everyone saying it can tow far. No one wants to add hours to a trip just to charge. Thanks for pointing out another flaw no pull through changing.
For most camping trips you might have to stop one time to charge, 80% on a supercharger doesn't take long. Hook it up and get some lunch and let it charge
What I've noticed from these EV truck tests is that they seem to drop to about 1/3 their normal range when towing, whereas diesel trucks drop to about 1/2 their normal range when towing. That suggests that towing loads end up pushing the electric motors (tuned for daily driving) far outside their optimal efficiency band. (Gas/diesel trucks get around this problem by using a transmission to put the engine back within its optimal RPM band. But EVs don't have transmissions. Gas tows worse because optimal RPM for gas engines is usually around 3500 RPM. For diesel it's usually around 1800-2000 RPM.) I've been wondering what the fuel economy would be if you loaded a diesel generator into the back of a Cybertruck, and used that to recharge the battery while you're towing. Basically turn it into a plug-in hybrid with a huge battery pack. That could alleviate the range problem when towing. But would its fuel economy be better or worse than a diesel truck?
@solandri69 I don't think people who consider getting an EV truck are that concerned with showing for the manufacturer to sink that much money into that kind of system. Plus generators are notoriously bad with emissions compared to an actual vehicle.
@@Tool0GT92 Generators are inefficient and bad with emissions because they need to vary their output to balance a changing load. That frequently requires them to operate at an inefficient RPM. But for the purpose of charging a big battery, you could select a generator whose peak efficiency output exactly matched the (stable) power output you needed for charging. That's why automakers have been pursing the CVT - it lets them operate the engine at its most-efficient RPM all the time.
The only place it excells at towing is in the city where its harder to go 100 miles. But i mean lots of towing is from one place to another outside of a single city. I just see it as a symbol of slavery but thats my opinion because you buy a vehicle you want to go anywhere from sea to shining sea and if you buy this truck youll be watching fords chevys toyotas hondas even kias bro kias will be driving past them at the charging stations the whole way across. I will PULL UP. And i will say "remember when tou guys told me to buy a tesla and id never have to go to a gas station again, but an f150 never go to the charging station again"
@@TheAnnoyingBoss It's all about perspective. Slavery is sending money to OPEC countries who continue to prosper by our dependence on their product, and then sending our troops over to control these animals after they use the money to build rockets and weapons. Slavery is sending men to work endless hours of extreme physical labor on oil rigs in the middle of the ocean months at a time without seeing their families. Slavery is having to absorb wild price swings of petroleum products any time there is a crisis in the middle east that threatens oil supply. Slavery is employing huge amounts of resources to clean up oil spills that kill massive amounts of wildlife. Slavery is the massive transportation network of truck drivers that have to move crude oil from the ships to the refineries and then deliver gasoline and diesel to fuel stations scattered across every corner of the country, every day of the year.... the list goes on and on..... It's easy to forget about how inefficient this entire system is. We are spoiled by being able to pump a massive amount of chemical energy into our fuel tank in a matter of minutes, but all the work was done upstream to get that product to the pump, plus the millions of years it took to form underground. Electric energy, although slower to transfer to your vehicle, is far more efficient; we dont have to dig up electrons from the ground, refine them, and ship them across the globe... they are literally raining down on us from a fusion reactor in the sky (our sun). We as a species need to recognize that petroleum is a limited resource, and the sooner we get off using for propelling transportation, the longer we can use it to create other things like plastics and other things that we can't easily find alternatives for. You can debate whether we are at risk of climate change run-away catastrophe or not, but you cant debate how stupid it is to not to go electric eventually. So... the question is, do you want to be an early adopter of the technology now or wait around a few years until battery tech and charger network growth makes it compelling enough to for everyone to start ditching the ICE powered vehicle. Death of ICE is inevitable, except for special use cases.
@@vector006If you wanted to be an early adopter to EVs, you'd have to live in the early 1900s, when EVs were in more use. Yep, they've been around for a very, very long time. Most of the vehicles on the road in that era were EVs, actually. Battery tech can only go so far. More capacity = more volume, weight, etc. Eventually, I think we need to look at micro-nuclear power units. In fact, Rolls-Royce is heading in that direction, just not for vehicle engines just yet, but they are working on small nuclear power units.
@@vector006prior to the current administration we produced enough energy in the us to fully meet our needs and even export some. Thus we werent depending on opec for anything
123 kWh / 892 Wh/mile = 138 miles on a full 100% charge. Going as a normal EV road tripper with 10-80% charging schedule you have 100 miles of range while towing. While respectable it will be some years before Cybertruck / Rivian / F150 Lightning goes from ~130kWh to 150 kWh or 180 kWh battery. 150 kWh / 892 Wh/mile = 168 miles, 10-80% = 118 miles 180 kWh / 892 Wh/mile = 202 miles, 10-80% = 141 miles. The 10-80% is chosen because it takes about 30-35 minutes to charge perfect for a road trip. 80-100% usually takes another 30-40 minutes so you do not want to keep charging above 80% unless you are enjoying a good meal.
It's things like this about Tesla that make me dislike the decision-makers at Tesla. The steering wheel and stalks are proven reliable so why change? Every time you have to unhook/re-hook to charge is an opportunity to make a simple mistake or forget something. To focus on a super-fast zero to 60 time at the expense of making towing bullet-proof indicates Tesla wants to remain a niche player in this segment. Ford's hitch technologies are far superior to what Tesla offers and fancy wheel covers is something no one asked for.
I totally forgot about how you wouldn’t be able to charge the truck on a 200+ mile trip. I would be pissed having to unhitch, charge for an hour, rehitch. Nope!
Exactly - Tesla is working on some "pull through" station layouts so you can stay hitched but they are few and far between and they know VERY FEW will be towing with their Tesla so it won't be prioritized for a while.
providing you can find a working charger cluster.... or there's available charging stations.... or other EVangelists aren't timing your charging %..... gas n go
@@BlazerRox you're right it takes a lot longer than that in this case. Takes about an hour for full charge on a supercharger plus the 20+ minutes to unhook and rejoin your trailer every 90 miles.
It would take me 7 18:08 hours to get to our hunting spot! Not counting if it could even have enough juice left to make the 7 mile climb to camp! It only takes 3 1/4 hours now with enough diesel fuel left to hunt for 3 days.
thank you for saying this, omg i hate not having any tactile feedback and having another scaled up smart phone!! if the software bugs out i wont feel in control lol
Heck no. I love the model 3 screen interior. Nice and clean and everything is on the computer screen you could ever need. Screw a bunch of knobs and buttons that can break and fail. Plus they are ugly
haha thats a non existent thing to worry about, software bugs out and unpredictable. Buttons/knobs only break if your're smashing on them and even so they still would work! I have yet to have any issues with them in all of the cars ive driven especially in my ten year old mazda 3 (2014). How much starbucks do you drink? lol@@johnfurr6060
2M preorders and they have been geting 10K more a week since it's launch. This will become the best selling truck out there and it's gonna be hilarious watching all you folks get triggered by it. lol
@@johnfurr6060 lmfao. Ok.... so where's the tesla transport that had all the pre-orders? How about the roadster? And how delayed is the cyber truck? It's a farce. And I say that an Elon fan/supporter, but come on. Knock knock. Reality is at your door.
@@craigquann CT was announced in 2019 with an announced release date of 2021, It was released 2 years later than initially announced. Given that other vehicles were delayed during that period 2 years is not unreasonable.
@danharold3087 and how many are produced? And how many of the pre-orders have been canceled. It's a flop. All the EV trucks are not just tesla. There's no benefit period in any way shape or form. They're not objectively better than comparable ice vehicles. They're not cheaper and they're not "green" or even "greener" lol. Make a small subcompact ev car for under $30k and maybe... but even then. It's not going to be mass adoption no matter what. It's not possible. Not in your lifetime. People really aren't thinking this through.
@@wolfgangpreier9160 I ❤️ 🦕 fuels. China and other industrial countries have a far greater impact. Nevermind the manufacturing of the battery packs for the EVs. I'll take the gas/diesel vehicles anyday.
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Andre and TFL, your range calculations was wrong!
123 kWh / 892 Wh/mile = 138 miles on a full 100% charge. Going as a normal EV road tripper with 10-80% charging schedule you have 100 miles of range while towing. While respectable it will be some years before Cybertruck / Rivian / F150 Lightning goes from ~130kWh to 150 kWh or 180 kWh battery.
150 kWh / 892 Wh/mile = 168 miles, 10-80% = 118 miles
180 kWh / 892 Wh/mile = 202 miles, 10-80% = 141 miles.
The 10-80% is chosen because it takes about 30-35 minutes to charge perfect for a road trip. 80-100% usually takes another 30-40 minutes so you do not want to keep charging above 80% unless you are enjoying a good meal.
Can you actually make a video to demonstrate its climbing ability? Steep uphill mountain slope etc. Also, using the highest suspension setting, try to clear rocks up to 16 inches high and stuff like that! A comprehensive off road test is definitely in demand!
The mirrors need to telescope out and be bigger!
Your dense I just pulled a tractor out with my lightning
Are there any PG&E trucks that are EV?
ERROR: Your math is incorrect on the energy usage. 892 wh/mi = 1.12 miles per kW. You divided in the wrong direction. 15:48. At that rate you could tow that trailer maybe 137 miles.
Yes, sounds good. Besides that we would not be allowed such a big ass trailer on a puny little car like the CT in Europe. But then we could always use real trucks.
I would use the CT to haul parts to my customers. No ned to drive around with a 100.000 cubic feet farmhouse.
So the power usage of a microwave for an entire hour only gets you 1.1 miles of range
And that was going 55mph not even 60+
@@Argedis Really awesome of the microwave!
@@Argedisbut would that microwave be cooking a 28 foot long, 7000lb roast? That’s my question. 🤔
Still a crappy number
Someone needs to show Butter_EV how to set up the height of that hitch if he plans on towing that trailer with it. The ass end of the trailer was about 6" higher than the front end.
With 100 miles of range, I seriously doubt he plans to tow that trailer with the Cybertruck on a regular basis.
Looks to me like they took the hitch off the 3500 and tossed it on the Cybertruck just for this video. They didn't even use the weight distribution / sway control bars, so there was no reason to use the Blue Ox hitch in the first place.
With that much sail area behind the truck, they *should* use the hitch for the sway control functionality, but they probably didn't want to include that step in the video since they do not normally use WD/SC hitches (even when they should).
Yes, and the hitch was adjustable to level the trailer.
@@that.schamp I assume you are american? The ONLY use I can think of where I would use more than 30miles of range would be a caravan, and that's about 1% of trailer use where I'm from. It seems wild to think of somebody thinking 100miles is limiting 😆
@@knifeyonline100 miles is just the beginning when taking the camper out.
@dirtroadsailing6418 if you hadn’t noticed, the owner had it hooked up to his Ram. Andre just took the hitch and threw it on the CT just for this quick test.
The title to this video is WRONG. Only being able to go 100 mi to without looking for a charging station that you have to unhook from your trailer to use is NOT a capable tow vehicle. People who say the Cybertruck can’t tow are RIGHT. Just because a vehicle has enough torque to PULL doesn’t mean it can TOW. My tractor can PULL but I’m not going to go down the interstate with it pulling a travel trailer. TFL needs to get out of the tank for EV’s. Someday, they might be capable. But, currently they are just a scam.
Yeah I can't even imagine having to stop, unhitch a trailer and wait to charge (possibly in a line) multiple times on just a 4-5 hour trip, what a joke!
Hey Andre, you did your math backwards. 22 miles using 20 kWh of power is 1.1 miles per kilowatt hour.
Pretty good based on gas at 33.7kwhs per gallon or diesel at 37.9kwhs a gallon in total useable energy.
That's 35-40+mpge while towing a monster trailer with massive aero drag at hwy speeds. Combined weight of 15-17k pounds to! 👍🏻😎
My 2019 f-150xl here in ATL towing my little landscape trailer maxed at about 5k gets 9-12mpg. Which is over 3kwhs used per mile. 😅
Can you help me with the math? I’m new trying to figure it out.
@@4literv6good on you for at least having an accurate understanding of the energy consumption, vast majority of people don't know how to compare at all. Battery chemistry tech advancement will considerably accelerate in the coming years due to increased investment and AI materials science research. Most people can't also understand that it is inevitable that as EVs achieve "more in the tank" via higher energy density and better chemistry, they are the only logical solution to powertrains and efficient transportation, combined with nuclear power and other nearly free energy production solutions. Why put all the effort in to getting oil out of the ground when we won't have to....
@@AdamFrugoli 22÷20.......
@@supraman321na4 excellently worded cogent analysis, few will be able to comprehend it who spent their lives sniffing gas fumes. 👍🏻
I've seen numbers claiming 10-12% of ALL our energy expended as a society is in the pursuit of finding more oil gas and coal deposits to exploit.
Further 40-45% of ALL global shipping emissions is just to transport oil coal and methane gas(so called natural gas)supplies around the world.
Meanwhile at every step of the way? Fossil fuels require insane amounts of electricity water and chemicals to process&extract them.
Nevermind to transport and store the processed now consumable fuels. Using? Massive electric motors, batteries and electricity of course! 😀
Moving weight was never a question, it was how far it can move the weight that was the question. And while Andrea did get his math backwards, it doesn't change the fact that even at a more aero efficient 55mph, the truck does not have great range. For all the people complaining about him not using the cameras instead of the mirrors, the display is in the center of the truck forcing you to look right if you want to go left which is counter intuitive on every level. A better solution would be to have an A pillar mounted screen for the mirror cameras, where you are more naturally going to look.
The truck isn't designed, engineered or built for people who want a truck for actual truck things. The Cybertruck is designed, engineered and built for people who want the most ridiculous looking truck on the road that they will very occasionally put some house plants or bags of mulch in the bed. It's an accessory not a tool.
The truck as CONFIGURED fits the largest cross section of buyers. By the time we get 2X the battery density to make towing reasonable I expect Tesla will have a real towing solution. As it is now I don't see it as a priority. Few will be towing with this range.
Easy fix, just tow a 500 kWh battery tied into truck as a range extender and you still have 2500 lbs of towing. It may triple the price of the truck but it's totally practical... Right?
It bothers me greatly y’all didn’t set the hitch up for the cybertruck. Did y’all even attach the load leveling bars?
I think the steering wheel control over emergency braking is cool. Never understood why most manufacturers place the brake controller in the worst position for emergency braking. Would like to see OEM placement better (not necessarily on the steering wheel).
With Electric vehicles on long trips or towing, you only want to charge the battery at the steepest portion of the charge curve, between less than 10 and 80 percent. With V4 supercharger you can add 70 percent capacity in 10 minutes. Don’t waste your time trying to get to 100 percent because that will cost you additional 30 to 40 minutes for insignificant gain in capacity. Batteries are not fuel tanks. They need to be preconditioned before fast charging. What’s needed is more pull through charging stations. There may need to be enclosed conditioned space fast charging in cold climates. For serious commercial use case, the Tesla Semi is available. Cybertruck is a light duty truck.
I have a 31.5' 5th wheel i pull with my f150. I can do 350 miles before I need fuel towing or 700+ miles unloaded. And when I need fuel it's a 10 min stop to 100% fuel capacity. Cybertruck is a proof of concept on a lot of very cool technology. it's not practical for many applications where a full size truck is.
I'll stick with my f-250. I towa lott of stuff. In all kinds of templates. It sounds like I would be stopping multiple times in a trip to recharge this thing. And sitting there for 30 minutes. To do so. Turning a 3-hour trip into a 4 or 5-hour trip. This thing is a mall crawler. Out of the city, your route is dependent on where there is a charger. I can carry extra fuel with me. After the cool factor and the look at me wears off. I dont think sales are going to be that robust in the future. But hey, what do I know.
i agree
If they offer a smaller version, sales will be through the absolute roof. Not everyone needs a huge F250. Majority of sedan drivers can easily replace sedans with small pickups. We've had one Toyota pickup for 30+ years in our family. Never needed anything bigger than that. For people that need big trucks, they are there. You have plenty to choose from. For people that just want small trucks, our options are more limited.
Well most people do not use their trucks like you do. Infact less than 10% of truck owners use their trucks for truck duties. Tesla will sell every single one of these they can make for many years to come to the urban truck users Just fine. Your complain could be said about electric cars in general but we see their sale numbers keep going up in America and across the world.
WOW! Didn't mean to insult your messiah Elon. That is only since the us government made it impossible for US auto makers to make any money with cars. Other than Muscal cars. They can't compete with Asia and Eurupe. So, they started pushing trucks on people. Due to the lighter regulations. these people don't even need a utilitarian vehicle. That 10% used to be the main target demo for trucks in the 90s and later. But hey, like I said. What do I know?@@achasilas6535
@@achasilas6535Source for that 10% claim ?
All technology has to start somewhere and develop over time. This is still early in the EV development and the fact they are this good this early is amazing. People want to take an early tech and compare it to something not even comparable. People who actually tow a lot or travel around the globe pulling a camper typically do not buy 1/2 ton trucks. 1/2 toners are your country Cadillacs, or occasional weekend fishing trips. These trucks fit beautifully into the 1/2 ton profile, if you’re honest with yourself. Had my Lightning for 2 years now, I drive the hell out of it. My previous trucks sat in the driveway waiting for a use case that justified the .30-.40 cents per mile operating costs. EV trucks don’t fit every use case (today), maybe they never will. But they do fit many 1/2 ton use cases.
If he's saying it gets 100 miles on a full charge, that's unusable because you don't go down to 0, you recharge at around 20 miles. Next you don't charge to 100%, you stop at 80. So that would mean a real range of 60. Factor in unhitching and re-hitching, you would do the equivalent of 30 mph if you were using highways doing 60 mph.
With the battery extension (16000$, 50kWh), you are close to a range of 200mls.
You‘d have to charge every 3hrs.
Not so bad.
But a Diesel truck is more convenient for towing huge trailers over long distances.
I guess for longer range towing, this is why they will offer that range extender battery option.
You've been working with Roman for twenty years now? Might it be that trailer charging in America is different than in Europe? Towing is very common in Europe; Tesla should anticipate on this, I guess. 😎.
Like to see critical notes about this truck. The overload of power. Wear and tear of tires (nobody talks about this) and other issues. Thank you for making this. 🙏👌
The cyber trough is a vanity project for the wealthy. It's enough of a truck to satisfy those who want to be _seen_ in a truck. Real tradesmen who _need_ real trucks, to do real truck things, like pipeline welders, carpenters/construction guys, and cold climate, long distance /off grid journey folks, off road expeditions, etc, will stick to real trucks, not grid bound electric look-at-me trucks.
Yes, you ar right, every one of my neighbors has a 30 meter long trailer @ home and drives around with it all the time. Grocery shopping, Bison hunting, Mastodon killing etc. They use their VW Polo and Ford Fiesta, some even have this big ass Suzuki SJ410 to tow their 40 ton farmhouses all the time.
Why should a 3 ton vehicle from Tesla have more tire wear and tear than a 3 ton vehicle from VW, Audi, Mercedes?
@@wolfgangpreier9160 Tire life is dictated by the _drivers habits_ and use. Aggressive drivers wear tires faster. People who tow heavy, frequently, wear drive tires faster too. Part of the reason vehicles designed to tow, have duals on the drive axles. If you drive a tesla like an 80 year old, you can probably get decent tire life out of it.....
@@jamesgeorge4874 Our trucks all drive duallies to reduce the tire pressure on the roads. And their tires last a looong time. Mine ast as long as before on the outdated VW Diesels.
40.000km for each set, Summer and winter. We have to change each season, thats mandatory. Some vehicles are allowed All season tires, but those are ecptions. Even trucks must change twice ech year.
We are not allowed below 3mm on winter and 1.6 millimeters on summer tires. Trucks have of course different, larger limits. Otherwise it gets expensive and the insurances do not pay anymore. If trucks are found with wrong tres, lower thread depth or defective brakes it can get into the thousands of Euros in fines very fast.
I drive my Tesla slower than before my VW Caddy with 100 HP. Because i can.
One minute more over 100km distance.
Top Speed 130 km/h on the Autobahn. Thats enough for me. The Germans drive not slower than 250 at least. But here in Austria 130 is enough.
If that is slow for you - I can live with it.
I thought the cybertruck was banned in europe hecause they had so many people walking around theyre scared of the sharp vehicles
What about towing up/down hills, windy roads, downhill braking control, real towing scenarios etc, instead of straight flat towing
So how long would it take you to move that trailer 300 miles? 2 business days?
"Best truck ever" elon saysn😂
My math is 1.1 mi/kwh. 22mi/20kwh. Or 1000/892
yes. 1.12.
Lets be real: 1) Hardly any trucks tow, and among those trucks that do, they often tow locally. 2) If you can afford a CT, you can afford a dedicated tow rig. 3) The CT is obviously exceptional at many things traditional ICE trucks simply cannot do. The CT is not for everyone, but it certainly has some strong competitive advantages and will likely be a hit in the market. The fact that Tesla made the CT in the first place is the biggest set of truck nuts you've ever seen.
you would not want to add air suspension to every truck, try driving in negative temps, your battery charge will be significantly less, and your air suspension might not work, which will damage the vehicle, i have a ram rebel with air suspension filled with nitrogen, which doesn't freeze, but the issue wasn't not having nitrogen, it was the compressor freezing and where i live we get 6 months of intense cold weather, i was literally told by dodge, don't drive it, or pay for the conversion kit which is putting coil springs back into the vehicle
Short term: don't use an EV to haul a high drag load more than 100ish miles. Which meets the needs of 95+% of people.
Long term: put batteries and drive trains in the trailers (see estream, pebble flow, and lightship).
Optimize the truck for how it is used most often. Putting a big enough battery in the truck to give 200-300 miles of range when towing kills efficiency for the 95+% use case where it isn't needed. If you put the additional battery and drive train (with regen braking) in the trailer, you are now optimized for that use case. When you do need to charge, you can now charge the two smaller battery packs in parallel - quicker than the single larger battery pack.
I see you set it up to fail. First, you hooked it up without the weight distribution bars attached. Second, you did the math wrong to make the range number lower by over 30%. Good job.
🤣🤣🤣weight distribution will take you further? My buddy does California to Idaho every other weekend towing his 5th wheel, it would take him three or four days instead of one night after work to get there if it'll even tow a fifth wheel with that funky bed.
@@armadilllo The point is that to be fair the rig should have been set up properly. Not that it would have 2X or 3Xed the range. Starting with the bad math and the setup nobody knows what the results should have been. Have you seen any CT's in armadillo ?
it wouldn't have given him even one mile more range.@@danharold3087
@@armadilllo I did not say that. Not using the proper weight distribution on a trailer that size and bad math are 2 different things. He also did not have the trailer level. It was a badly executed test all the way around. The weight distribution would not affect the range, but it could have introduced instability, would have been dangerous on the interstate. It would have been more noticeable on a lighter truck. The trailer being nose down instead of level I am not sure about as far as range goes, but it could also affect stability. Bad math to reduce the range by more than 30% is just bad math. I don't know if he did it on purpose or not. I doubt the Cybertruck was designed with your buddy's fifth wheel in mind. This might come as a shock to you, but different trucks are designed to do different things.
I I really wanted to see you try and back that trailer into an equivalent camp spot with that rectangle steering wheel. Seems like a PITA.
TFL - I don't think people are arguing that the EV truck can't tow at all... they are arguing/stating they cannot tow for a normal-ish range. At ~70mph it will probably tow it fine - but for well under 100 miles at that point. Which is unacceptable - if you have a travel trailer you are trying to get out and explore and having to pull over every 1 1/2 hrs or so to refuel/charge - will be nearly impossible at a supercharger station with a trailer hooked up ... VERY impractical use case for the cybertruck at this point until towing ranges and charging for ev trucks improve (i.e. ability to pull into a bay and charge WITH your trailer connected). Maybe having a range extender battery hooked up to your trailer would help in the future ? Not sure but its not fully baked yet.
You divided the wrong way, It's distance divided by energy used, which is 1.1 miles/kWh. when looking at the energy used, it actually got 1.121 miles per kWh. That's as good as it gets, for hauling a large travel trailer! You should have no problem towing 100 miles with the standard size battery, closer to 130 miles with the big battery, assuming setting off with 100% charge.
When comparing costs, there needs to be the cost of your time factored into the equation as well.
I'm towing my 28' RV with Nissan NV3500 HD (1 ton) witn 25 gallon tank 7 mpg -> it gives me 110-120 miles range (comfortable) in WA State in between fill-ups. I'm not sure why crowd is freaking out about the tow range because it's not very different for a lot of gas vehicles, except for the HD diesel trucks.
Because no one tows anything! This truck should only be for the people that have had a truck for 10 years!
The first is the availability of charging options compared to gas stations. When I am trip planning I can easily find gas stations on most any route . And if I thought I might get in a pinch I could put a couple of 5-gallon cans in the truck bed for reserve. Second is the time to refuel. My F250 has a similar size tank to your truck and I can easily refuel in about 10 minutes. Bonus reason: I'll be pulling my trailer about 1,200 miles to Texas to watch the eclipse in April. Looking at my route almost all of the chargers I see would require unhitching.
@@archaneyyou mean other than refuelng your nv is a 5 minute affair with many more options and locations and charging is gonna be at least 5x that long and there's no telling if a charger will be in range.
I agree with Nissan truck owner. Towing with cyber truck on auto pilot will be heaven. I will trade off 20 minutes supercharge time every 100 miles with auto pilot on, instead of five minute gas station every 120 miles White knuckle manual driving.
Nobody said they "cant" tow. They just arent efficient as a tow rig. And lets be honest people arent buying it to tow they are buying it to haul groceries and drive back and forth to a daily job
I don't hate EV's, but as for pulling a trailer that would require charging at a public charging facility goes. No.
For one, charging stations are not laid out like a gas station where people are in a line. Charging stations are laid out side by side and depending on how large the facility is, you may be blocking off part of the lot. And to have to unhitch and rebook? No.
Two. Unlike a gas station where you pretty much pull straight in, you would have to maneuver your vehicle and trailer so it goes head in and straight in order to not piss people off.
Three. A petrol vehicle with trailer may block a pump or two, but it's relatively short compared to charging an EV.
Four. I can fuel up less and pretty much everywhere which results in less wasted time and stops.
The towing itself went well but I think Elan really screwed up with the battery size , I need at least 200 miles of towing and 100 or even 135 limits you to how far you travel , when I go camping it's usually always with a bit of a climb thru the mountains and that would further decrease mileage . He promised us 500 miles and wasn't even close . If i order an extender battery i reduce my bed size to a mini truck [ why didn't they fit it in the bed floor storage space ? . I really want one but have to reconsider because of this .
A 100mi range is ludicrous. No one in their right mind is going to buy this vehicle and use it for towing anything. Embarrassing.
Mabye in 20 years. But they'll never beat ICE for sound or ease of use. And thank you Eric!.
People crack me up talking about how “bad” electric trucks are towing. I’ve got a 23 ZR2 with a 6.2. I typically average around 16 mpg if just highway driving at 72 mph. When towing my 6,000 lb boat, I’m lucky if I get 8 mpg. Only difference would be charging with a trailer vs just pulling in to a gas station. Electric doesn’t seem that bad to me.
My favorite part of EV videos is reading the mental gymnastics people go through to justify their use. I genuinely hope that EVs get better in the coming decade, but for right now they are just impractical and unaffordable for anyone that doesn't live in a major urban area.
I'd love to have an EV as my daily driver but the tech just isn't there to realistically tow a camper. Also, kind of surprised you guys posted a video where the trailer hitch isn't set at the right level.
Absolutly no one says it cant tow, infact it can tow better than most. The real problem is that it cant tow long and there's not enough charging stations or infrastructure to support it
Well done. Clearly for those doing a lot of towing, the range extender would help a fair amount. I imagine having battery powered trailers would be one of the solutions to consider, and that are already coming to market.
so $80,000 for the truck, $25,000 for the trailer, plus taxes and insurance so you’re around $110,000 for a truck and trailer that you have to stop every hour to charge.
Thanks, Andre! My heuristic for EV truck owners is 1 mi/kWh when towing heavy, high-profile trailers. I've been saying this for a while, and so far, every truck that's come out has pretty much confirmed it (though my rule of thumb is a little on the conservative side... maybe 10%).
So the shorthand for prospective EV truck buyers who plan to tow larger trailer is: Look at the overall battery capacity, and plan for the same range in miles as the truck has kWh of capacity. So right now: Cybertruck (123 miles); Lightning SR/EX (98/131 miles), R1T Large/Max ( 135/149 miles), and Silverado 3WT/4WT (180/212 miles).
Note the weight and tow reduction due to battery weight on the Silverados. Not so bad for towing but losing 1000lbs or so off the payload hurts. This is where the range extender for he CT makes some sense. Lets hope the execute it in a good way.
@@danharold3087 Sure, it's a trade off, but you'll notice that the 3WT not only has 50% more range than the Cybtertruck, it has ~350 lbs more payload than the 212 kWh Silverado 4WT and has1,500 lbs more rated towing capacity than the Cybertruck.
The Silverado EV is also more efficient with faster charging than the Cybtertruck, but the charging speed is all that really matters when talking about worst-case towing scenarios. If Chevy still makes a Silverado EV 1WT. then it would likely have a similar battery capacity and range to the Cybertruck, but the 1WT would likely have better (or at least similar) payload capacity and thousands of pounds of additional towing capacity.
Regardless, at this point, the options for EV trucks are still fairly narrow and limited. Also, you'll want to note that the actual bed payload capacity for EV trucks is much lower than the overall payload. For example, despite having a 2,500 lb. payload capacity, the Cybertruck's bed capacity is only 1,200 to 1,500 lbs., so the difference between it and the Silverado EV might not be as significant as it looks on paper.
@@newscoulomb3705 "Every Cybertruck can also haul 2500 pounds in its six-foot-by-four-foot composite cargo bed."
I'd say in the real world you need to be taking 70 max 80% of these values because you don't want to go to zero and the charge curve profile. The top 15% of the battery can take as long to charge as the first 85% on some vehicles.
@@danharold3087 That's not what the GVWR numbers for the rear axle state. Even in ICE trucks that are heavily biased toward rear payload, the bed capacity is never 100% of the total payload capacity. The bed capacity is, at most, total payload minus passenger weight and front/cab payload.
In the case of the Cybertruck, the payload weight directly over the rear axle cannot exceed 1,200 to 1,500 lbs., so in that video you saw where the Cybertruck owner put 1,800 lbs of drywall in the bed, it was overloaded by at least 300 lbs. (and that was obvious just based on the stance).
I still don't get the whole Tesla cult. This thing will fade away in a couple of years after all the "look at me" folks get one.
Anyone think the common “300mile range” for EV’s isn’t as much about technology now as it is control? The WEF wants 15minute cities, is it plausible these are intentionally being limited?
I think it’s pretty clear that battery energy density is a limiting factor. Newer, more streamlined EVs are already getting pretty good range above 300, so I don’t think there is any conspiracy to artificially limit them when actual technology and chemistry limitations are doing that by themselves.
Look at these teardowns, It's not like there's some big empty space left for the pack. The entire floor is a battery. If you think that every EV manufacturer is colluding with the WEF you really need to reevaluate yourself.
no, take off your tinfoil hat.
The energy usage will always be problem with electric vehicles when towing something big. Since the electric motor is 3 or 4 times more efficient then combustion engine, you can get away with 3x or 4x less total energy in the battery (for normal usage). But then you start towing and the trailer doesn't suddenly become more efficient just becouse you are using EV and the lost energy is much more significant part of the total onergy contained in the battery.
took a full minute to adjust trailer brake gains and response. Would be nice if tesla invented physical buttons to make this process faster.
20 mile round trip at 40mph??? Awesome tow rig...now where is the Supercharger??? 😂😂😂
Interesting, but I would go with the Ford or Chevy electric. My current towing vehicle is a 2020 Ram 6.7 diesel with 24000 miles.
Have you ever used a mid 2000's GM 4 wheel steering?
Great video. Super fair and informative.
Awe man it would have been cool to have acquired an airstream trailer, it would have looked awesome !!!!!
I have never seen a public tesla EV charger that you can use with a trailer attached to your truck. With that short range you know you are going to charge atleast once.
That hitch looks compromised. Need more hook pins holes and deeper that could snap cause big problems ..
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Great towing trip using the Cybertruck!
Well done, Sir!
We are travelling ftom Northern Mi to Colorado come spring. Using an Electric " overpriced" truck is not even an option for us. It is clear we were all LIED to concerning an EV Truck.
RV'ers travel long distances. An EV just doesn't fit that agenda.
Respect to the guy for letting TFL review this truck but no way the truck itself earns any of my respect ubtil I see it go through The Gauntlet Test. Of course I will let it slide on tbe 30 second pause at fill up part. 😬
They are wrong, but they are right. The only EVs that can really tow, as shown in this exact channel, are the big battery ones like the Hummer EV.
The darker color looks better than the stainless steel version, but I'm just not a fan of the styling (both interior and exterior). I get that it tries to be different... but it kind of tries too hard. Like why the hell would they not have an instrument cluster (even a digital one)? The speedometer is on the center console? Why are the mirrors shaped like that? Why is the gear selector on the frickin ceiling? Little things like that would drive me crazy, and I'd say are just distracting and inconvenient for no reason other than to be "different".
Anyway, let's be real... you're more likely to see a 3-legged unicorn farting rainbow dust than one of these actually towing anything. I'm sure they 'can' tow fine, but it just seems a bit impractical. But to each their own.
That trailer is not 33 feet tip to tail.... Unless he has a 6 foot rack off the rear bumper?
I pull a 28ft Airstream with a 2023 F250 Godzilla engine over 10,000 miles per year cross country. There is no way I could do that with a Cyber Truck because of the charge requirements. I think EVs are not prime time for me and my usage. If I was simply driving around town, it may be something to consider If the cost of ownership was actually less than my F250.
Love your test. Thanks. I do,a lot of TT towing your comment on tow mirrors is spot on. However I purchased wireless cameras that mount on the forward side marker lights on both sides and a rear view camera. This system has a separate screen with multiple views of each camera. I can foresee how Tesla could incorporate such a system in upgraded versions of Cyber trucks eliminating the need for larger towing mirrors. Are you listening Tesla?
Yea, they’re neat and all, but I’ll keep my outdated 7.3l Powerstroke 6 speed superduty for towing/daily driving. Easy to work on, 18mpg, comfortable, and sounds good. The EVs would have been much better if they marketed them to folks who drive 20 miles to work and back in towns as a cheap alternative to I.C.E.s. In my opinion🤷🏽♂️
Is that decorative wheel covers on an offroad truck?
Yeah, it can tow, but for how many miles before you must get into the line to recharge, and how many miles LESS will you get if the temperature is below freezing?
Can you get hold of a Tesla Semi and pull 42foot Fifth Wheel that weighs in around 22K gvwr to see if you can get 300 miles of travel. Or maybe some ev that is similar to an M2-106 RV hauler
The Semi is capable of towing to a gross vehicle weight of 82,000 pounds, the maximum allowed by law. That's 2,000 pounds more than diesel rigs are permitted and 500 miles range if with added battery pack
I wonder if Airstream's Estream will help in range.
Perhaps this thing is just a fun daily driver and not something for any serious truck use.
Need cameras behind trailers and bike racks.
It's 5 miles to the boat ramp from my house so I guess a Cybertruck would work but my 95 Chevy will still be running in 20 years and the Cybertruck will be a paperweight.
If you can see the future that well you should be become a stock analyst.
So the headlights, heat, AC, flashers, radio, volume, everything is all controlled on that one screen??? Yeah no thanks.. that interior is garbage!!!
no, no, no...we never said it can't tow! We said it cant tow for longer than 200 miles trips!
someone needs to design and build an extension cable for charging at a super charger with a trailer. I realize that is easier said than done, it would likely have to be very beefy.
The average American struggles to buy just the basic groceries and you’re over here trying to sell us factor high end expensive food.
I would like to see a comparison driving at your speeds 70-80 compared to driving just 55 I know for California. I'm looking at it from the efficiency standpoint. I have a small airplane that flies at 37 miles an hour. So of course, it will make a huge difference. Like to know what your tests are also towing other aerodynamic Designs ,
Airstream ? Etc .and
Real numbers. What do you think?
@14:00 that is a tiny trailer! Can it tow a Teton Homes 5th wheel trailer up the Rockies?
Do a test with a couple of dirt bikes or a street bike in the back. How far can it go?🏍🏍
Andre did he get cruise control in the cybertruck 😂
Every 100 miles and then a 40min stop to get 80% so then 80 miles. That is also going down to 0% which a) you are not suppose to do for battery health and b) you would be risking a break down if you missed the exit or if the super charger wasnt work. This all ignores really cold weather too. Horrible results....the Ike is going to destroy this thing.
7,000 pounds! 😂. That’s it?! Oh my gosh, my Mercedes GL 550 tows that as well as carrying 7 people. We drove all over the country with a trailer almost identical to this and consistently got 3-4 hundred miles and 10 minute gas fill ups. Now we’re at 17,000 pounds and still seat six in an actual real truck. Sorry folks, EV trucks are a joke. 😂.
All joking aside, I don’t want to hurt any fan boys feelings, but this craze is quickly coming to an end. Even Hertz has dumped the technology. All the claims of low maintenance are proving to be false. Toyota, the biggest car manufacturer on the planet has hedged their bets and put time, money, and resources into hybrid tech. I think once the dust settles, that will be the prevailing technology. For me, there is just no way I would give up my Cummins, even with all the drama going on right now. And if the government mandates it…. well, they will have to pry it from my cold dead lifeless fingers!
There’s no way in my line of work that i would ever use an EV for hauling parts to paint and body shops in the west texas area, i drive on average, 270 miles a day, plus there’s really not any power charging stations around here where i live, i’ve seen some at a walmart parking lot about 85 miles away and one at a dealership 70 miles away, it’s a cool looking truck 🛻, but i wouldn’t buy one, but hey, more power to those who can afford one, just not my cup of coffee lol 😂
Dude, that trailer can easily be towed by virtually any 1/2-ton pickup. Hitch up to a real load and do the Ike test please.
I have an affinity for technology, but I am not fond of electric vehicles (EVs). I believe that we should wait for at least 15 more years for the battery technology and charging infrastructure to improve significantly before investing in them. As of now, they are not worth the money and are comparable to disposable cameras in terms of their value.
as soon as the supension on these electric cars and trucks start going bad, boy thats gonna be some noise in the cab
Solution is simple. Buy a gas or diesil truck for towing. And buy a Model 3 for daily miles. Best of both worlds. And buy a cybertruck just because its beautiful.
No one says it can’t tow, it just can’t tow for as long or far as a gas or diesel.
Electrical towing vehicles are not ready for prime time IMHO.
I haven't run into anyone saying the Tesla wouldn't be able to tow, everyone I knew just highly suspected it wouldn't be able to tow very far... and they were right. Even being generous and saying 150 miles range is terrible. Unless you're making 1 or maybe 2 short trips (maybe to the harware store or something similar) it's pretty well useless. Most people are aware (or maybe I'm giving too much credit) that the instant torque EVs have gives them better acceleration and pulling power, but you don't have much range.
Also the heavy weight of the batteries makes it less capable offroad, the EV part makes it less capable on a trail away from a power source, as well as less modable. You'll have to replace the battery in 8-10 years for probably 30k.
The Tesla looks interesting, accelerates quickly, but is mostly just an expensive toy for trendy urbanites who almost never leave their city and want everything they own to be able to connect to the cloud. The Cybertruck reality is about as expected...
Towed one time with a model X, realized then and there these cars are NOT meant for towing. Worst experience of my life. Had an 8 hour trip to Washington from sac California. Literally turned into a 20 hour trip because we had to stop every 75-85 miles to charge. Worst part was we had to lift the huge uhaul trailer off every single time in the cold rain to back into the charge and plug it in. Eventually the guy who we were supposed to meet to drop off some bikes decided to drive 4 hours down and meet us in Oregon (we never made it to Washington) to come tow the bikes back to his shop. Worst experience of my life and the weight of everything was about half of what the model x could do. This was also a 2020 long range rated for 340 miles. We decided to rent a 2013 ford f150 for the next delivery and we stopped once for gas which one a 5 minute fill up and costed around the same as supercharging. The car was rated for 480 miles and we got 420 towing the exact rig…..this is coming from a huge Tesla supporter but I’m also in reality. Last thing I’ll add is near mount shasta we had sudden insane power draw since we were going uphill and there weren’t enough superchargers so I even had to shut off the heater, drive 25mph (limit was 55 for trailers) and put my hazards on all the way to make it with 2% to the charger on top of the mountain. Even with the new range extender the cyber truck will SUCK at towing. Maybe 140-150miles max you’ll be getting for a 120-130k+ truck….
Yup. EV’s are so efficient that even minor changes in load/drag affect them a large amounts. Thats why there are ev specific tires that are designed to reduce rolling resistance and aerodynamic drag as low as possible because even that can add 10% to your range.
Tesla does everything to make their cars have the lowest drag coefficient as possible.
When you put a big rectangular box behind them you are increasing the drag by a huge amount. On top of that, that added drag almost eliminates the need for regenerative braking on the freeway unless you are going down an extremely steep grade.
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@@Jay-me7gw My brother towed an RV with a 3.5 ecoboost v6 F150. He got 8 mpg and had 200 miles of range with 23 gallions. I pulled it with a 6.2 v8 raptor with 210,000 miles on it and got 10.5. High effciency vehicles even ICE take a huge hit towing.
@@MotoGPatrick Its hard to compare a single tow in one truck to a single tow in another truck though. I had an F150 Ecoboost for 9 years and towed the same trailer 22,000 miles with it. I saw anywhere from 6.7 mpg to 11 mpg depending on the weather conditions. Usually i was around 9.5 mpg. And that was towing at 70mph most of the time.
But I do agree, Ecoboosts take a bigger hit while towing than V8's because they start higher in the first place. Thats the nature of it. The Ecoboost is addressing efficiency at lighter loads where most half tons spend most of their time. At high loads everything evens out because that is where the V8 is most efficient per hp generated, when the throttle plate is nearly wide open. You're now dependent on the energy content of the fuel so they will both be about even.
But, also, your brother made a big mistake getting a 23 gallon tank if he intended to tow. Any F150 can be spec'd with the 36 gallon tank making the range 288 miles at 8 mpg.
The solution for all EV towing is trailers with their own EV drivetrain and battery. and pull through charger docs.
The silverado EV extra weight and low efficiency puts non towing driving at gas costs.
I’m not a fan of Teslas but I think I’m the only person who doesn’t think EVs and long distance driving. Why everyone online thinks about these 2 things together, are clowns. EVs are great for city driving and towing trailers within a city will be perfect for the range.
I dont think anyone says it can't tow. Everyone saying it can tow far. No one wants to add hours to a trip just to charge. Thanks for pointing out another flaw no pull through changing.
For most camping trips you might have to stop one time to charge, 80% on a supercharger doesn't take long. Hook it up and get some lunch and let it charge
@@Tool0GT92 My back hurts just thinking about it. I hate hitching and unhitching trailers.
What I've noticed from these EV truck tests is that they seem to drop to about 1/3 their normal range when towing, whereas diesel trucks drop to about 1/2 their normal range when towing. That suggests that towing loads end up pushing the electric motors (tuned for daily driving) far outside their optimal efficiency band. (Gas/diesel trucks get around this problem by using a transmission to put the engine back within its optimal RPM band. But EVs don't have transmissions. Gas tows worse because optimal RPM for gas engines is usually around 3500 RPM. For diesel it's usually around 1800-2000 RPM.)
I've been wondering what the fuel economy would be if you loaded a diesel generator into the back of a Cybertruck, and used that to recharge the battery while you're towing. Basically turn it into a plug-in hybrid with a huge battery pack. That could alleviate the range problem when towing. But would its fuel economy be better or worse than a diesel truck?
@solandri69 I don't think people who consider getting an EV truck are that concerned with showing for the manufacturer to sink that much money into that kind of system. Plus generators are notoriously bad with emissions compared to an actual vehicle.
@@Tool0GT92 Generators are inefficient and bad with emissions because they need to vary their output to balance a changing load. That frequently requires them to operate at an inefficient RPM. But for the purpose of charging a big battery, you could select a generator whose peak efficiency output exactly matched the (stable) power output you needed for charging. That's why automakers have been pursing the CVT - it lets them operate the engine at its most-efficient RPM all the time.
I don't think anyone said it couldn't tow , but it eats up range in a hurry and that makes it impractical to use as a tow vehicle.
The only place it excells at towing is in the city where its harder to go 100 miles. But i mean lots of towing is from one place to another outside of a single city. I just see it as a symbol of slavery but thats my opinion because you buy a vehicle you want to go anywhere from sea to shining sea and if you buy this truck youll be watching fords chevys toyotas hondas even kias bro kias will be driving past them at the charging stations the whole way across. I will PULL UP. And i will say "remember when tou guys told me to buy a tesla and id never have to go to a gas station again, but an f150 never go to the charging station again"
@@TheAnnoyingBoss It's all about perspective. Slavery is sending money to OPEC countries who continue to prosper by our dependence on their product, and then sending our troops over to control these animals after they use the money to build rockets and weapons. Slavery is sending men to work endless hours of extreme physical labor on oil rigs in the middle of the ocean months at a time without seeing their families. Slavery is having to absorb wild price swings of petroleum products any time there is a crisis in the middle east that threatens oil supply. Slavery is employing huge amounts of resources to clean up oil spills that kill massive amounts of wildlife. Slavery is the massive transportation network of truck drivers that have to move crude oil from the ships to the refineries and then deliver gasoline and diesel to fuel stations scattered across every corner of the country, every day of the year.... the list goes on and on..... It's easy to forget about how inefficient this entire system is. We are spoiled by being able to pump a massive amount of chemical energy into our fuel tank in a matter of minutes, but all the work was done upstream to get that product to the pump, plus the millions of years it took to form underground. Electric energy, although slower to transfer to your vehicle, is far more efficient; we dont have to dig up electrons from the ground, refine them, and ship them across the globe... they are literally raining down on us from a fusion reactor in the sky (our sun). We as a species need to recognize that petroleum is a limited resource, and the sooner we get off using for propelling transportation, the longer we can use it to create other things like plastics and other things that we can't easily find alternatives for. You can debate whether we are at risk of climate change run-away catastrophe or not, but you cant debate how stupid it is to not to go electric eventually. So... the question is, do you want to be an early adopter of the technology now or wait around a few years until battery tech and charger network growth makes it compelling enough to for everyone to start ditching the ICE powered vehicle. Death of ICE is inevitable, except for special use cases.
@@vector006 You have some really good points. But EVs are not powered by solar.
@@vector006If you wanted to be an early adopter to EVs, you'd have to live in the early 1900s, when EVs were in more use. Yep, they've been around for a very, very long time. Most of the vehicles on the road in that era were EVs, actually.
Battery tech can only go so far. More capacity = more volume, weight, etc. Eventually, I think we need to look at micro-nuclear power units. In fact, Rolls-Royce is heading in that direction, just not for vehicle engines just yet, but they are working on small nuclear power units.
@@vector006prior to the current administration we produced enough energy in the us to fully meet our needs and even export some. Thus we werent depending on opec for anything
123 kWh / 892 Wh/mile = 138 miles on a full 100% charge. Going as a normal EV road tripper with 10-80% charging schedule you have 100 miles of range while towing. While respectable it will be some years before Cybertruck / Rivian / F150 Lightning goes from ~130kWh to 150 kWh or 180 kWh battery.
150 kWh / 892 Wh/mile = 168 miles, 10-80% = 118 miles
180 kWh / 892 Wh/mile = 202 miles, 10-80% = 141 miles.
The 10-80% is chosen because it takes about 30-35 minutes to charge perfect for a road trip. 80-100% usually takes another 30-40 minutes so you do not want to keep charging above 80% unless you are enjoying a good meal.
100 miles is terrible.
@@pokerman9108 It is still 138 miles!
@@Arpedk I can do that for 18 bucks and not worry about charging disconnecting the trailer to charge, etc... not worth it.
@@Arpedk And if the charger is 139 miles you are f**ked
Operating my Ram 2500 is still cheaper.
100 miles to E is terrible especially considering how expensive it is. 600hp doesn’t matter when you have to stop every other hour to charge
His math is wrong. He was at the rate of towing 137 miles per charge.
@@PopsGGwow, what a joke, its an expensive toy
If you do 137 mph with that, ok, im impressed.
@@PopsGG still terrible
The kids have to pee every 130 miles so it could work lol @@PopsGG
Not impressed at all 😢
That wasnt the Ike Tow test give that thing some hills! and yes that steering wheel would drive me nuts!
yeah, looks like he went full concervative on a liberal truck lol He should have let MR. America do it!
Imagine trying to back into a campsite....will that steering wheel by wire work?? I am very skeptical
It's things like this about Tesla that make me dislike the decision-makers at Tesla. The steering wheel and stalks are proven reliable so why change? Every time you have to unhook/re-hook to charge is an opportunity to make a simple mistake or forget something. To focus on a super-fast zero to 60 time at the expense of making towing bullet-proof indicates Tesla wants to remain a niche player in this segment. Ford's hitch technologies are far superior to what Tesla offers and fancy wheel covers is something no one asked for.
Do not have to see it on hills to know that regenerative braking mostly levels them out regarding energy consumption.
@@mikefoehr235 Apparently another manufacturers have done steering by wire with success. But tesla can't even do roofs right, so...
I totally forgot about how you wouldn’t be able to charge the truck on a 200+ mile trip. I would be pissed having to unhitch, charge for an hour, rehitch. Nope!
Exactly - Tesla is working on some "pull through" station layouts so you can stay hitched but they are few and far between and they know VERY FEW will be towing with their Tesla so it won't be prioritized for a while.
providing you can find a working charger cluster.... or there's available charging stations.... or other EVangelists aren't timing your charging %..... gas n go
You already know those one or two available will be full with non towing vehicles too haha @@rkalla
It doesn't take an hour to charge.
@@BlazerRox you're right it takes a lot longer than that in this case. Takes about an hour for full charge on a supercharger plus the 20+ minutes to unhook and rejoin your trailer every 90 miles.
It would take me 7 18:08 hours to get to our hunting spot! Not counting if it could even have enough juice left to make the 7 mile climb to camp! It only takes 3 1/4 hours now with enough diesel fuel left to hunt for 3 days.
Does that include stopping for charging? Then if you’re deep dry camping you need a generator to charge it to get back into town.
7 18:08 hours?? Wtf kind of time system are you using?
Don't know where the 18:08 came from.
It's probably not suited for you
Hope Eric is willing to take a trip to the Ike!
He'll be doing that next year, if he leaves now!
All the controls being on various "menu" screens, gives me anxiety...
Bring back knobs and buttons!
thank you for saying this, omg i hate not having any tactile feedback and having another scaled up smart phone!! if the software bugs out i wont feel in control lol
@@ZIGZAGBureauofInvestigation it's built for what?! Lol!!!!! What a lame argument
Heck no. I love the model 3 screen interior. Nice and clean and everything is on the computer screen you could ever need. Screw a bunch of knobs and buttons that can break and fail. Plus they are ugly
haha thats a non existent thing to worry about, software bugs out and unpredictable. Buttons/knobs only break if your're smashing on them and even so they still would work! I have yet to have any issues with them in all of the cars ive driven especially in my ten year old mazda 3 (2014). How much starbucks do you drink? lol@@johnfurr6060
@@johnfurr6060 If a button fails, the rest of the buttons function. If a screen fails, everything is broken.
I've always wanted a truck that looks likes a Sega Genesis rendering... said absolutely nobody. Come on Elon... you know this is a fools errand.
2M preorders and they have been geting 10K more a week since it's launch. This will become the best selling truck out there and it's gonna be hilarious watching all you folks get triggered by it. lol
@@johnfurr6060 lmfao. Ok.... so where's the tesla transport that had all the pre-orders? How about the roadster? And how delayed is the cyber truck? It's a farce. And I say that an Elon fan/supporter, but come on. Knock knock. Reality is at your door.
@@johnfurr6060 Well you know what they say -- the masses are the asses, and stupid is what stupid does.
@@craigquann CT was announced in 2019 with an announced release date of 2021, It was released 2 years later than initially announced. Given that other vehicles were delayed during that period 2 years is not unreasonable.
@danharold3087 and how many are produced? And how many of the pre-orders have been canceled. It's a flop. All the EV trucks are not just tesla. There's no benefit period in any way shape or form. They're not objectively better than comparable ice vehicles. They're not cheaper and they're not "green" or even "greener" lol. Make a small subcompact ev car for under $30k and maybe... but even then. It's not going to be mass adoption no matter what. It's not possible. Not in your lifetime. People really aren't thinking this through.
It would be good to do a head to head EV pickup truck towing range comparison.
ironically they are all near as makes no difference the same. which is why its hilarious qElmo sold different expectations 4 years later.....
It'd be like watching a snail marathon.
@@Itsa_Mea True, Burning fossil fuel is much better when towing a trailer. Its so good for your childrens health.
Easy win for Silverado EV. Not even in the same ballpark.
@@wolfgangpreier9160 I ❤️ 🦕 fuels.
China and other industrial countries have a far greater impact. Nevermind the manufacturing of the battery packs for the EVs. I'll take the gas/diesel vehicles anyday.