One of the main reasons is that the academy doesn't want the stunt people to die trying to pull something impressive in order to win in a category like that.
Aren’t they doing the stunts anyways tho? Like they’re risking their lives rn without an award so idk if adding an Oscar for it would make it THAT much more risky but point taken
And people still are gonna do the stunts nonetheless, it’s not about what stunts they will perform, but how many stunt people are apart of the academy and they need more to make up their own branch.
@@ilikepasta578 The "riskier stunts" argument is such bullshit. How does that argument differ from how actors starve or stuff themselves (or fuel their day with drugs) for roles, even with nutritionists monitoring them? By comparison, stunt people stay healthy and agile much more of the time, yet they’re the ones with death wishes that the industry must discourage?? If anything, a major stunt injury or death would do more to kill the film's chances at a theoretical Best Stunt Coordination nom than help its chances.
A stunt category could in fact help bring more attention to safe stunt practices to prevent dumb or unsafe shit from happening like the Alec Baldwin situation
I think it's obvious who should get the award, the stunt coordinator/supervisor. Similar to Visual Effects, Production Design, Costumes, etc., there are hundreds of people creating the actual visual effects, sets, costumes, but it is the lead(s) of those departments (the ones that have the final say and comms with the director) that get the awards. Stunt performers unfortunately will still get shafted, but that is no different from what happens now with many of the other tech categories that have teams behind them.
@werideatdusk but again, that doesn't make sense considering how some of the other tech categories are handled. No one is screaming over the hundreds of visual effects artists that don't get the Oscar when their movie wins the visual effects award.
As with all the other below-the-line Oscars categories, a theoretical Best Stunt Coordination category would honor the department head(s)-the stunt coordinator, not individual stunt performers (or the ensemble). Moreover, if there’s enough fight choreography and/or dance choreography-say, no less than 5% of the runtime for each-then include the ones in charge of those as well.
I'd say smooth out the name to "Stunts and Choreography" only because choreography in film (not just dance, just any organized physical performance that's not really a stunt) would be worth putting on the same level (like RRR or Black Swan's elaborate dance sequences)
The craziest thing about a Best Stunts and Choreography award is that there have been several years where there would've been intense races. Obviously John Wick 4 v. Mission Impossible this year would've been a big fight, but 2010 would've seen Black Swan v. Inception as a match-up between the elaborately executed dance sequences of the former and the mindbending fights of the latter. Hell, even Ben-Hur could've picked up one more Oscar had the award existed back in 1959.
@@ClassicalMusic2002 I'm hesitant to say Titanic would only because Air Force One and Con Air came out that year and Titanic's stunts aren't *super* showy. RotK would've dominated it without a doubt though
@@devdanferguson7616 I think Titanic would’ve just steamrolled tbh. Plus there’s some stunts they have on the massive sinking ship set that are genuinely impressive.
I think it should be a kind of mix of stunts and just choreography in general, like action movies like John Wick 4 and Top Gun Maverick mixed in with The Color Purple and Wonka
Yeah, the stunt coordinator is the default recipient, and if there’s, say, at least 5% of the runtime of either choreographed fighting and/or dancing, then those choreographers+coordinators may also be considered.
Unless Cruise is the credited stunt coordinator, he or any other action star would likely never win this category, which’d honor the department head(s) like all the other below-the-line categories.
Why not also Best Shot of the Year? Best Single Costume? Best Makeup or Hairstyling Moment? Best Cut or Transition? Best Sound Effect? Now you see why media awards categories are meant to honor craft department heads for the whole production’s work.
@@Wired4Life2 Well that's sort of what I meant, nominate the stunt director and the stunt performers. I didn't mean nominating specific stunts. That way the people planning the stunts get credit along with those that actually put their life on the line to make it happen. Maybe best stunt director and best stunt ensemble? I should have been more clear in what I was trying to say.
@@slimeylimey89 The stunt ensemble? The principal cast is bound to counter that, not to mention the executive producers, assistant directors, electricity team, grip team, carpenters, painters, set dressers, propmakers, tailors, fabric cutters, dyers, individual makeup artists, prosthetics artists, hairstylists, assistant editors and data wranglers, individual VFX artists and animators, sound team, and score conductor (if not the composer) and individual musicians. This is why the only people who should receive the ordinary media, below-the-line craft awards should be the craft department heads. Most of the roles I've mentioned are unionized gig workers. They're hired to simply do what they're told and have little input in their respective craft designs. If anything, that's what ordinary media, below-the-line craft awards honor-the design.
I'd rather adding categories where ALL the movies would be eligible to compete. That's why categories like stunt and original songs feel like appeasing to a certain group of professionals. If some songs or some stunts are so amazing, then they should give out a special award at their discretion.
@@werideatdusk Now now, I've seen even modest indie features with a scene or two of simple running have a "stunt coordinator" credited. Contrast that with how not every film has a song directly composed for it. We don't knock Best Costume Design for almost always recognizing period pieces or fantasy productions over works set in contemporary times-where, last I checked, characters still wear clothes designed and coordinated by a costume designer. We don't knock Best Makeup & Hairstyling for overlooking the usual makeup applied to anyone performing in front of a camera with sufficient lighting.
@@TimeIdle Nothing noteworthy, but I can imagine that the 2 stunt coordinators were tasked with assisting in the scenes with many background extras like the ferry sequence.
I don't want them adding ANY new categories, at least not while they have network people trying to get categories pushed out of the telecast. The thing that makes the Oscar more prestigious than the Emmys and the Grammys is that they don't have a million categories trying to pander to every tiny role on the set to the point where they have to hand half of them out off the air.
@@kaidwyer6891 And Stunts deserve the recognition way more than Casting, which is too indirect a craft and during which the director personally finalizes the principal roles anyway.
@@kaidwyer6891They're all "just one more Oscar" and they can all give you a mouthful about how important they are. Keep on adding and adding and next thing you know you're the Emmys.
@@GravelordNito150dude the Oscar’s have added one category since 2001 (casting) which makes up for them removing a category in 2020 (sound editing). They only have 23 categories at the moment, and casting and stunts would only bring them to 25. That’s 100% manageable
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One of the main reasons is that the academy doesn't want the stunt people to die trying to pull something impressive in order to win in a category like that.
Aren’t they doing the stunts anyways tho? Like they’re risking their lives rn without an award so idk if adding an Oscar for it would make it THAT much more risky but point taken
@@ilikepasta578but the Oscars doesn’t have blood on their hands if something happens.
And people still are gonna do the stunts nonetheless, it’s not about what stunts they will perform, but how many stunt people are apart of the academy and they need more to make up their own branch.
@@ilikepasta578 The "riskier stunts" argument is such bullshit. How does that argument differ from how actors starve or stuff themselves (or fuel their day with drugs) for roles, even with nutritionists monitoring them?
By comparison, stunt people stay healthy and agile much more of the time, yet they’re the ones with death wishes that the industry must discourage?? If anything, a major stunt injury or death would do more to kill the film's chances at a theoretical Best Stunt Coordination nom than help its chances.
A stunt category could in fact help bring more attention to safe stunt practices to prevent dumb or unsafe shit from happening like the Alec Baldwin situation
It’s time for a best the film drunk Oscar
I think it's obvious who should get the award, the stunt coordinator/supervisor. Similar to Visual Effects, Production Design, Costumes, etc., there are hundreds of people creating the actual visual effects, sets, costumes, but it is the lead(s) of those departments (the ones that have the final say and comms with the director) that get the awards. Stunt performers unfortunately will still get shafted, but that is no different from what happens now with many of the other tech categories that have teams behind them.
This alone may be a reason it hasn't been done yet.
@werideatdusk but again, that doesn't make sense considering how some of the other tech categories are handled. No one is screaming over the hundreds of visual effects artists that don't get the Oscar when their movie wins the visual effects award.
Best Stunts for 2023 could have been super with Ballerina, Kill Boksoon, John Wick 4, Creed III, & Dead Reckoning all killing it last year
As with all the other below-the-line Oscars categories, a theoretical Best Stunt Coordination category would honor the department head(s)-the stunt coordinator, not individual stunt performers (or the ensemble). Moreover, if there’s enough fight choreography and/or dance choreography-say, no less than 5% of the runtime for each-then include the ones in charge of those as well.
I'd say smooth out the name to "Stunts and Choreography" only because choreography in film (not just dance, just any organized physical performance that's not really a stunt) would be worth putting on the same level (like RRR or Black Swan's elaborate dance sequences)
I want "best fight scene" in the oscar category. That's also deserve a recognition
"I don't need this video to be some 30 minute video essay dissertation on why need to be an added category" LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK!! 🗣🗣🗣
The craziest thing about a Best Stunts and Choreography award is that there have been several years where there would've been intense races. Obviously John Wick 4 v. Mission Impossible this year would've been a big fight, but 2010 would've seen Black Swan v. Inception as a match-up between the elaborately executed dance sequences of the former and the mindbending fights of the latter. Hell, even Ben-Hur could've picked up one more Oscar had the award existed back in 1959.
Titanic and the Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King would also likely be sitting at 12 wins too
@@ClassicalMusic2002 I'm hesitant to say Titanic would only because Air Force One and Con Air came out that year and Titanic's stunts aren't *super* showy. RotK would've dominated it without a doubt though
@@devdanferguson7616 I think Titanic would’ve just steamrolled tbh. Plus there’s some stunts they have on the massive sinking ship set that are genuinely impressive.
I think it should be a kind of mix of stunts and just choreography in general, like action movies like John Wick 4 and Top Gun Maverick mixed in with The Color Purple and Wonka
I love how not only Swifties can clown over a surprise announcement because, yeah I thought that too when they started talking about stunt
Now it's for Oscars for the Best Stunts
I think the stunt montage was dipping their toes in the water
They need to stop pussyfooting around this topic and just make the fucking guidelines for it already.
Yeah, the stunt coordinator is the default recipient, and if there’s, say, at least 5% of the runtime of either choreographed fighting and/or dancing, then those choreographers+coordinators may also be considered.
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I will support anything that gives Tom Cruise more awards
Unless Cruise is the credited stunt coordinator, he or any other action star would likely never win this category, which’d honor the department head(s) like all the other below-the-line categories.
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Should turn it into two categories. Best stunt direction and best stunt performance maybe?
Why not also Best Shot of the Year? Best Single Costume? Best Makeup or Hairstyling Moment? Best Cut or Transition? Best Sound Effect?
Now you see why media awards categories are meant to honor craft department heads for the whole production’s work.
@@Wired4Life2 Well that's sort of what I meant, nominate the stunt director and the stunt performers. I didn't mean nominating specific stunts. That way the people planning the stunts get credit along with those that actually put their life on the line to make it happen. Maybe best stunt director and best stunt ensemble? I should have been more clear in what I was trying to say.
@@slimeylimey89 The stunt ensemble? The principal cast is bound to counter that, not to mention the executive producers, assistant directors, electricity team, grip team, carpenters, painters, set dressers, propmakers, tailors, fabric cutters, dyers, individual makeup artists, prosthetics artists, hairstylists, assistant editors and data wranglers, individual VFX artists and animators, sound team, and score conductor (if not the composer) and individual musicians.
This is why the only people who should receive the ordinary media, below-the-line craft awards should be the craft department heads.
Most of the roles I've mentioned are unionized gig workers. They're hired to simply do what they're told and have little input in their respective craft designs. If anything, that's what ordinary media, below-the-line craft awards honor-the design.
Is there enough diversity of Casting agents/directors so it won't be the same names coming up again?
If they decide to nominate internationally, 100%! Plus it would probably have less repeat nominees than Original Score tbh
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@@ClassicalMusic2002
I'd rather adding categories where ALL the movies would be eligible to compete. That's why categories like stunt and original songs feel like appeasing to a certain group of professionals. If some songs or some stunts are so amazing, then they should give out a special award at their discretion.
Yeah Original Song 👎 they already have Grammys for that
@@werideatdusk Now now, I've seen even modest indie features with a scene or two of simple running have a "stunt coordinator" credited. Contrast that with how not every film has a song directly composed for it.
We don't knock Best Costume Design for almost always recognizing period pieces or fantasy productions over works set in contemporary times-where, last I checked, characters still wear clothes designed and coordinated by a costume designer.
We don't knock Best Makeup & Hairstyling for overlooking the usual makeup applied to anyone performing in front of a camera with sufficient lighting.
@@Wired4Life2 What kind of stunts did Past Lives have?
@@TimeIdle Nothing noteworthy, but I can imagine that the 2 stunt coordinators were tasked with assisting in the scenes with many background extras like the ferry sequence.
@@TimeIdle what makeup and hairstyling did Past Lives have?
I don't want them adding ANY new categories, at least not while they have network people trying to get categories pushed out of the telecast. The thing that makes the Oscar more prestigious than the Emmys and the Grammys is that they don't have a million categories trying to pander to every tiny role on the set to the point where they have to hand half of them out off the air.
Stunts is such an important catagory, it’s one more Oscar, like jeez man let the people have the due
@@kaidwyer6891 And Stunts deserve the recognition way more than Casting, which is too indirect a craft and during which the director personally finalizes the principal roles anyway.
@@kaidwyer6891They're all "just one more Oscar" and they can all give you a mouthful about how important they are. Keep on adding and adding and next thing you know you're the Emmys.
@@GravelordNito150dude the Oscar’s have added one category since 2001 (casting) which makes up for them removing a category in 2020 (sound editing). They only have 23 categories at the moment, and casting and stunts would only bring them to 25. That’s 100% manageable
@@ClassicalMusic2002 They've already been forced to move categories off the telecast with 23 though...