But did we all see the trip hazards with the gap in the wall, a gravel strip between the car Park and pub plus a car charging cable across the walk way maybe, sorry but had my Trade Union H&S rep's hat on.
I used this charger on Easter Sunday, I went to the hotel and was told to use the payment screen that’s outside by the car park to register when leaving. It claimed to charge me £1 but this hasn’t appeared on my statement. I used the charger on the far left by the pub entrance, the cable route does go across the entrance to the pub, I don’t think this was thought thru well!
Obviously the site is not completed, but the charger by the entrance is a triple (trip over) as it gets its name from the fact that people entering the building from the car park are going to trip over the charging cable stretched across the path, hope it well lit at night. If there were live cables under the unlocked box then then some one should be fired. Each of the chargers surely has its own isolator in the distribution box.
6:39 Good spot. That's a really poor layout. As you say, anyone charging on the left side is going to have the cable stretched out across the path. I'm surprised the architect designed it like that.
Just a couple of miles up the road from me. Didn't realise they were working yet. I'm sure you can register for parking in the pub as well by the way. Used to be able to anyway.
Hi Dave. I suspect the lack of canopy will be down to planning restrictions which they hope to overcome, so they've put up the support in the expectation that they'll be allowed to add the canopy later.
OY!! It's not just Leafs that need a CHAdeMo. It is great to see not everyone is abandoning the standard though, as the new CCS2-CHAdeMo adapter is around £1,000; more than I can justify. I've got a 350 mile round trip to Gatwick coming up; CHA'ds are getting sparse on the ground along several parts of my route (trying to avoid the M25 on the way back).
There is a pub & restauraunt AND a hotel....so my question is...are there idling fees? If not, the likelyhood is that chargers could be blocked whilst occupants enjoy the facilities on-hand, possibly for a couple of hours in the case of the restauraunt, or even overnight as seems to be a regular ocurrance in the case of hotels in my irriting experience.
Indeed sometimes I question the choice of location for some of these chargers, especially when there are so few installed. If the intention is for every bay to be equipped with such chargers, then I’d understand the lack of canopy and the location choice. I am hoping at least that to be the intention. I think sometimes it’s a combination of location cost for the charger company and an opportunity for some revenue by the pub/hotel landlord.
Maybe the canopy will be installed when they fit the fourth charger 🙂 The construction looks like it's been designed to hold a canopy so perhaps they'll get round to it at some point!
I'm not a fan of this trend to charge for parking at the charging bay, can you imagine if they charged you a parking fee for using a petrol pump? Or having to register your personal details (some places I've seen want your email and number plate). A friend of mine with an ID.3 was turned away from chargers in a restaurant car park, because they were fully booked (no tables). They were effectively for customers only. I'd understand that more if the chargers were then free to use, but they aren't, you are paying for the electricity anyway, so why all the extra hoops to jump through?
Hey, I try to act like an amateur when I charge, so here I followed the signs which clearly said go to the hotel. Few people would wander off to random restaurants to check. If there is a terminal in there, then it should be advertised, as should what to do if the hotel and restaurant are closed. Neither was mentioned and that has been forwarded to Fastned. Over to them.
Sorry Dave but this episode reached maximum waffle. You told us numerous times that these are dual bays and what the maths are when there are two bays to a unit, im tempted to rewatch and see if it reaches into double figures for those of us that cant multiply by two. Plus all the combinations of chademo and ccs on each pair, individually. And the substation and the intricacies of stepping down voltage. Gold Because we all need to know that when charging /s >>>More to the point, Still haven't seen this plug and charge functionality thats a key USP
AB. have intelligent chargers that do not share 50/50. I could have tried plug and autocharge right there but would always have a lingering doubt as to whether it was just this location storing my data or actually the whole network. Same will apply when I try another in the UK: if it works, will it work abroad? I will always try it rather than guess.
@@davetakesiton and if it works in France does that mean it works in Germany? Wut? Is that your reason for not showing it? Genuinely don't understand. Dude you spent 20 minutes waffling and didn't show us the feature even if was just local (which makes no sense for it to be local that would be more difficult than per country plus would be a mess when FN users turned up at another location and it didn't work. Which is not at all what FN promise on their website.
I would never use fastned again after they kept my £40 for two weeks before I realised and then I had to ring them to get it back. Plus risking a £100 fine if you forget to pay the rip off parking fee. If nobody uses the rip off charger’s they will have to lower their prices.
Fastned do not own the car park. While it is very frustrating, you have to blame the landowners that invite the parking companies to manage car parks as an extra revenue source. Often the business like the hotel and restaurant hate having these but have no influence over the landowners. You could argue that FastNed should avoid locations with such predatory parking schemes, but at the same time people are crying out for better charging infrastructure. The fact is all drivers of any vehicle EV or ICE has to have there whits about them when stopping anywhere these days. IMHO FastNed are one of the better operators, the charging experience is good and the price is far more competitive than most of the others. Just because you got caught out by one of those scummy parking companies should not put you off using one of the better charging networks. If people avoided the real villains in the charging networks like Shell and used companies like FastNed it would help them provide a viable alternative to the overpriced and unreliable providers like shell.
Why no mention of Fastned Autocharge Dave? Set it up once in the app, then whenever you charge, just plug in and walk away. No reserving amounts on credit card, no fiddling with cards and card readers. I find that works really well. And finally a Fastned charger with a nice eating place next door! I will certainly make use of this one next time I am travelling that way on the M6. Also, seems to me that if you park reasonably tight up against that charger near the path, then people will walk around the other side of the car and not trip over the cable. So I guess I'm a rarity amongst the commenters to this video - not finding something to complain about this charger installation! (No doubt the canopy will be along soon - they wouldn't have spent money putting up the supports otherwise!)
A charger in a remote part of Australia would be vandalised or stolen in the first week. Teslas are the best selling SEDAN but vast majority of Aussies drive Utes or SUVs, mostly 4 wheel drives
They have, Peter. The original groundwork suffered subsidence, causing the flooding shown on several of my videos. They are re-doing the work, plus adding extra drains. It will re-open
You never will traveling so close and charging. You need to drive at least 30minutes or use battery preconditioning. SOC will also impact the charge rate you need to be below 20% to get the max speeds
They are attacking all cars not saying EV bad, ICE good but arguing that EV doesn’t go far enough in tackling climate change and that need to reduce car numbers not just replace ICE with EV.
What if you pulled up after midnight and the hotel was closed at reception? Paying parking charges to charge is just the pits what bright spark thought this was a good idea I wonder. p.s I would have also liked to see if these worked as seamlessly are they should i.e opening the app and just plugging in to charge. Please try one next time to see if they work as we expect.
Yes, I could have done but I would always have lingering doubts as to whether it was just this location that had stored my details. I have a new video planned at a different Fastned location to eliminate this doubt. Watch out for that one.
@@davetakesiton It'll be pointless to only store your details at the charger, it'll be like Tesla and stored centrally so it can work with all their chargers. Looking forward to see the result when you do it though
2:15 I thought the bump stops weren't good for those with disability access needs. Also bump stops are a trip hazard in general. Why not just use a chunky post!
Hi Dave, I watch all your videos & enjoy them. However each one reinforces my thoughts I will never buy an EV. They are kinda ok in some parts of Britain & you dont drive much but useless here in Australia because we have big distances & some outback areas if your battery went flat you could easily perish. In some areas you contact the Police & tell them you ETA, If you become overdue they send helicopters to try & find you
You are right, Archie. EVs are not for everyone and Australia is one country where I get so many comments: Massive distances between cities and rubbish charger infrastructure. But I see the Model 3 and Y are now top sellers, so some people find they work. I was discussing with Jonas about self contained roadside EV chargers in the middle of the desert. Solar powered and battery back-up, ready for those long distance drivers. Free electricity, not grid connected. UK is now pretty well covered everywhere with 4,000 multiple bay ultra-rapid (100kW+) chargers, and many more times rapid (50kW) and fast (7-11kW) chargers already under construction new for 2024. We've already got hundreds of thousands working. And we don't have deserts. Tesla says nowhere in UK is more than 40 miles from a supercharger. I have 5 superchargers within 30 miles and a fifth one opening any day. You'll get there
Fastned obviously desperate to cash in on the extortionate prices charged in the UK and will take any crappy location to install chargers. Not one of my favourite providers even in Europe where they have the solar panel roofs, much too expensive at 0,69 cents / Kwh.
What a load of nonesense to have to go through all that just to charge your car with the benefit of getting a parking fine as well as being ripped off by Fastned. Just imagine having to go through all of that in a petrol station. No wonder there is a reluctance for people to want to change to EV's. I really don't know why you make a video like this as it will definately deter and prospective EV buyer.
It's not a problem. People not using the hotel or the chargers have to pay for parking. There are overstay charges at a petrol station, 2 hours usually, in that time you have to eat THEN fuel up, dramatically cutting your time for refreshments as you have to allow at least 20 minutes to fuel up, outside in the wind and rain and then queue to pay a fortune for it before getting back in your car stinking of diesel. Even at 79p/kWh the electricity works out at less than half the price of fossil fuel.
Having an Octopussy Electroverse card does not reserve £40.
I found that the Bonnet/OVO app preauthorises £30 but the Electroverse doesn’t
Electroverse FTW
Using fastned plug and charge doesn’t either
Whose bright idea was it to place them right in front of the pub entrance 🤣🤣🤣. Hope there's another way in?
The pub entrance and car park are on the other side of the building.
It may not be the main entrance but it says entrance above the door and a walkway from the car park.
But did we all see the trip hazards with the gap in the wall, a gravel strip between the car Park and pub plus a car charging cable across the walk way maybe, sorry but had my Trade Union H&S rep's hat on.
Fast Nederland = FastNed
I used this charger on Easter Sunday, I went to the hotel and was told to use the payment screen that’s outside by the car park to register when leaving. It claimed to charge me £1 but this hasn’t appeared on my statement.
I used the charger on the far left by the pub entrance, the cable route does go across the entrance to the pub, I don’t think this was thought thru well!
Obviously the site is not completed, but the charger by the entrance is a triple (trip over) as it gets its name from the fact that people entering the building from the car park are going to trip over the charging cable stretched across the path, hope it well lit at night. If there were live cables under the unlocked box then then some one should be fired. Each of the chargers surely has its own isolator in the distribution box.
6:39 Good spot. That's a really poor layout. As you say, anyone charging on the left side is going to have the cable stretched out across the path. I'm surprised the architect designed it like that.
I would imagine the large boxes are the AC DC converters for the charge points. The comms box will be the little cabinet if it has a comms box
Just a couple of miles up the road from me. Didn't realise they were working yet.
I'm sure you can register for parking in the pub as well by the way. Used to be able to anyway.
Register in the hotel. Signs are on the chargers
So dave did you try and charge by pulugging it just in to see if it charges automatically?
Hi Dave. I suspect the lack of canopy will be down to planning restrictions which they hope to overcome, so they've put up the support in the expectation that they'll be allowed to add the canopy later.
I hope so Paul, it is an ideal structure for rain protection and PV production.
OY!! It's not just Leafs that need a CHAdeMo.
It is great to see not everyone is abandoning the standard though, as the new CCS2-CHAdeMo adapter is around £1,000; more than I can justify.
I've got a 350 mile round trip to Gatwick coming up; CHA'ds are getting sparse on the ground along several parts of my route (trying to avoid the M25 on the way back).
Cheers guys
Used Redbridge park and ride last week , you can hop on an electric bus now into Oxford
There is s also a Fastned installation at Hamilton just off the M74 south of Glasgow. Its been operating for around a year or so.
There is a pub & restauraunt AND a hotel....so my question is...are there idling fees?
If not, the likelyhood is that chargers could be blocked whilst occupants enjoy the facilities on-hand, possibly for a couple of hours in the case of the restauraunt, or even overnight as seems to be a regular ocurrance in the case of hotels in my irriting experience.
Indeed sometimes I question the choice of location for some of these chargers, especially when there are so few installed.
If the intention is for every bay to be equipped with such chargers, then I’d understand the lack of canopy and the location choice.
I am hoping at least that to be the intention.
I think sometimes it’s a combination of location cost for the charger company and an opportunity for some revenue by the pub/hotel landlord.
Maybe the canopy will be installed when they fit the fourth charger 🙂 The construction looks like it's been designed to hold a canopy so perhaps they'll get round to it at some point!
I'm not a fan of this trend to charge for parking at the charging bay, can you imagine if they charged you a parking fee for using a petrol pump? Or having to register your personal details (some places I've seen want your email and number plate). A friend of mine with an ID.3 was turned away from chargers in a restaurant car park, because they were fully booked (no tables). They were effectively for customers only. I'd understand that more if the chargers were then free to use, but they aren't, you are paying for the electricity anyway, so why all the extra hoops to jump through?
For a large part of your review you are standing in front of a door that says Entrance, did you look in there for a tablet to register the car?
Wondered that too but guess Dave must have done I’d have thought
Register in the hotel opposite.
@@colin7898 that hotel is shut until June of this year
Hey, I try to act like an amateur when I charge, so here I followed the signs which clearly said go to the hotel. Few people would wander off to random restaurants to check. If there is a terminal in there, then it should be advertised, as should what to do if the hotel and restaurant are closed. Neither was mentioned and that has been forwarded to Fastned. Over to them.
Sorry Dave but this episode reached maximum waffle. You told us numerous times that these are dual bays and what the maths are when there are two bays to a unit, im tempted to rewatch and see if it reaches into double figures for those of us that cant multiply by two. Plus all the combinations of chademo and ccs on each pair, individually. And the substation and the intricacies of stepping down voltage. Gold Because we all need to know that when charging /s
>>>More to the point, Still haven't seen this plug and charge functionality thats a key USP
I have just asked the same question. We had a good review of these FastNed's a few days back. Like you I want to see how well they work. Come on Dave
It works superbly. Been a long time autocharger. Starts before you can get back in the car usually.
Fastned chargers just work and they can invoice you monthly. Auto charge is easy to setup and use.
AB. have intelligent chargers that do not share 50/50. I could have tried plug and autocharge right there but would always have a lingering doubt as to whether it was just this location storing my data or actually the whole network. Same will apply when I try another in the UK: if it works, will it work abroad? I will always try it rather than guess.
@@davetakesiton and if it works in France does that mean it works in Germany? Wut? Is that your reason for not showing it? Genuinely don't understand. Dude you spent 20 minutes waffling and didn't show us the feature even if was just local (which makes no sense for it to be local that would be more difficult than per country plus would be a mess when FN users turned up at another location and it didn't work. Which is not at all what FN promise on their website.
I would never use fastned again after they kept my £40 for two weeks before I realised and then I had to ring them to get it back. Plus risking a £100 fine if you forget to pay the rip off parking fee. If nobody uses the rip off charger’s they will have to lower their prices.
That sounds like your bank not fastned.
Yes agree - I just got their nice £100 fine too for a 15 min charge. Be very careful before using their chargers, read the small print!
Fastned do not own the car park. While it is very frustrating, you have to blame the landowners that invite the parking companies to manage car parks as an extra revenue source. Often the business like the hotel and restaurant hate having these but have no influence over the landowners.
You could argue that FastNed should avoid locations with such predatory parking schemes, but at the same time people are crying out for better charging infrastructure. The fact is all drivers of any vehicle EV or ICE has to have there whits about them when stopping anywhere these days.
IMHO FastNed are one of the better operators, the charging experience is good and the price is far more competitive than most of the others. Just because you got caught out by one of those scummy parking companies should not put you off using one of the better charging networks.
If people avoided the real villains in the charging networks like Shell and used companies like FastNed it would help them provide a viable alternative to the overpriced and unreliable providers like shell.
Why no mention of Fastned Autocharge Dave? Set it up once in the app, then whenever you charge, just plug in and walk away. No reserving amounts on credit card, no fiddling with cards and card readers. I find that works really well. And finally a Fastned charger with a nice eating place next door! I will certainly make use of this one next time I am travelling that way on the M6. Also, seems to me that if you park reasonably tight up against that charger near the path, then people will walk around the other side of the car and not trip over the cable. So I guess I'm a rarity amongst the commenters to this video - not finding something to complain about this charger installation! (No doubt the canopy will be along soon - they wouldn't have spent money putting up the supports otherwise!)
You must have missed my recent video exactly on autocharge, activating it live at the same location
@@davetakesiton Ah, I have seen that one now. It just seemed strange not to mention it, and perhaps refer to your other video, in this one.
A charger in a remote part of Australia would be vandalised or stolen in the first week.
Teslas are the best selling SEDAN but vast majority of Aussies drive Utes or SUVs, mostly 4 wheel drives
Good that you keep reminding people to register as a guest to avoid a parking fine or fee!
Hey Dave - what's happened to the chargers at the EG Forecourt opposite The Bobbin Mill. They appear to have been ripped out?
They have, Peter. The original groundwork suffered subsidence, causing the flooding shown on several of my videos. They are re-doing the work, plus adding extra drains. It will re-open
Are those bays also for the pub, can’t you register there?
There are Evyve chargers in the pub carpark (the other side of the pub). Dave is in the hotel car park (different entrance)
I live near the Oxford one. I get nowhere near the maximum speed, around 80kw generally.
You never will traveling so close and charging. You need to drive at least 30minutes or use battery preconditioning. SOC will also impact the charge rate you need to be below 20% to get the max speeds
@@Popdog76 eh? No, I was at 10% state of charge when I tried the first time, 20% the second time.
So Dave why are Extinction Rebellion attacking Electric Cars in New York ?
Bellends I believe
Dave is not a member of ER so like the rest of us bewildered!
They are attacking all cars not saying EV bad, ICE good but arguing that EV doesn’t go far enough in tackling climate change and that need to reduce car numbers not just replace ICE with EV.
More important who is telling the members what and where to attack? That is the question I want answering.
What if you pulled up after midnight and the hotel was closed at reception? Paying parking charges to charge is just the pits what bright spark thought this was a good idea I wonder.
p.s I would have also liked to see if these worked as seamlessly are they should i.e opening the app and just plugging in to charge. Please try one next time to see if they work as we expect.
Yes if you plug in cable will be across entrance what happens if someone falls over it unbelievable dave didnt pick this up ?
Not sure where you get that from. The cable will always be in the charger bay and the footpath to the hotel and restaurant are totally separate.
@@davetakesiton yes but when its plugged into a car it will be partly across the walk through
You didn't test the autocharge?
Yes, I could have done but I would always have lingering doubts as to whether it was just this location that had stored my details. I have a new video planned at a different Fastned location to eliminate this doubt. Watch out for that one.
@@davetakesiton It'll be pointless to only store your details at the charger, it'll be like Tesla and stored centrally so it can work with all their chargers. Looking forward to see the result when you do it though
Why do we still need to register our cars when charging or pay for parking? Ripped off again!
Migrant hotel - common reaon for "hotel Closed" signs?
2:15 I thought the bump stops weren't good for those with disability access needs. Also bump stops are a trip hazard in general. Why not just use a chunky post!
Bump stops simply stop the wheels, heavy posts dent your bodywork. But yes, I stumbled over them a time or two while filming
Hi Dave, I watch all your videos & enjoy them.
However each one reinforces my thoughts I will never buy an EV.
They are kinda ok in some parts of Britain & you dont drive much but useless here in Australia because we have big distances & some outback areas if your battery went flat you could easily perish.
In some areas you contact the Police & tell them you ETA, If you become overdue they send helicopters to try & find you
You are right, Archie. EVs are not for everyone and Australia is one country where I get so many comments: Massive distances between cities and rubbish charger infrastructure. But I see the Model 3 and Y are now top sellers, so some people find they work. I was discussing with Jonas about self contained roadside EV chargers in the middle of the desert. Solar powered and battery back-up, ready for those long distance drivers. Free electricity, not grid connected. UK is now pretty well covered everywhere with 4,000 multiple bay ultra-rapid (100kW+) chargers, and many more times rapid (50kW) and fast (7-11kW) chargers already under construction new for 2024. We've already got hundreds of thousands working. And we don't have deserts.
Tesla says nowhere in UK is more than 40 miles from a supercharger. I have 5 superchargers within 30 miles and a fifth one opening any day. You'll get there
Fastned obviously desperate to cash in on the extortionate prices charged in the UK and will take any crappy location to install chargers. Not one of my favourite providers even in Europe where they have the solar panel roofs, much too expensive at 0,69 cents / Kwh.
In the U.K. they are one of the cheaper providers as the video states
What a load of nonesense to have to go through all that just to charge your car with the benefit of getting a parking fine as well as being ripped off by Fastned. Just imagine having to go through all of that in a petrol station. No wonder there is a reluctance for people to want to change to EV's. I really don't know why you make a video like this as it will definately deter and prospective EV buyer.
It's not a problem. People not using the hotel or the chargers have to pay for parking. There are overstay charges at a petrol station, 2 hours usually, in that time you have to eat THEN fuel up, dramatically cutting your time for refreshments as you have to allow at least 20 minutes to fuel up, outside in the wind and rain and then queue to pay a fortune for it before getting back in your car stinking of diesel. Even at 79p/kWh the electricity works out at less than half the price of fossil fuel.
@@barnseyfrommossley Bonkers!
@@ohyesitsme You've just described this current decade
The hotel opposite is housed full of asylum seekers so watch out
Good point, they will be hogging the charge points with their government funded Teslas 🤣