They said it could never be done because it would require a computer inside the adapter. Turns out, there are plenty of brilliant people in the world so the tiny computer is not impossible.
I commissioned the CCS1 version for USA CHAdeMO vehicles and am testing it now near Seattle. Not ready for sale yet, but the same quality construction as this CCS2 version.
Would love to know how it's going. Any estimate on when the final US model will be ready to sell? We're also in the Seattle area. Just bought a 2022 Nissan Leaf S+. Also have a 2024 SV+ and a 2013 SV in our family. We would L O V E to have adaptors. Thanks for sharing info.
I just dropped in to say that we deliver from our online store to all over the Europe, not only to Finland. The first pre-order is open until Friday of this week. So early birds, be early! Great job Dala!
@@martijnkosters9024 actually since 2020 Zoe’s have had CCS2 ports. My daughter has a 2022 ZE.50 equipped with such. Happily charges on all CCS2 public charge points. Even Tesla Superchargers here in the UK
@seansimpson7506 dang. You Britishers get all the good stuff. Meanwhile, EVs are just ridiculed in the US. Glad to see the "North American Charging Standard" (Tesla) being widely adopted here though. It should make all the difference in reassuring (those who can afford new) adopters. There will still always be older vehicles, but I imagine there will be retrofitters who will adapt older vehicles to NACS (it's mainly just a communications protocol issue)
I purchased a CCS1 version today. I hope it works. They asked if I had seen the Dala video and if that how I found them. Yes. I asked for the Dala discount. Turns out it is 0%. Next time negotiate a discount for all of the referrals this video should generate:-). I am looking forward to driving a little faster vs. having to hypermile to the next, distant, Chademo charger. Thanks.
Can you please please make a video at some point about your experience on how the whole process worked for you? That would be so great. Purchase, usage experience, problems etc. I'll try to follow you if it is possible to follow your account. 👏
At least here in the US, the South Korean EVs first arrived with CHAdeMO and, after a few years, they switch to CCS. I'm going to assume the same thing happened in Europe over the course of the past decade.
I hope they are some other company will do something similar for the US with Chademo to CCS and or the coming NACS/J3400. The price is pretty steep at the moment but maybe with more iterations and some competition it can be reduced. Till then your idea of sharing an adapter makes a lot of sense. PS I would like to see Tesla Bjorn do a test with it. He's apparently after a Kia Soul EV as his press car shuttle and could make good use of it in the Winter months.
Original Teslas could charge off Chademo with adapters and not CCS plugs. I wonder if the original Teslas used some Chademo logic or communication protocols. If so, the current Tesla charging infrastructure might be easily adaptable to Chademo vehicles. The only knock here is that really the only Chademo vehicles of any number in the US are Nissal Leafs and they charge pretty slow.
Tesla will never allow a kludge like that on the Supercharger network. The CCS1 to NACS adapter that will be offered by the legacy automakers automakers will be made by Tesla, that means they can guarantee that they won't damage the Superchargers. The CCS companies probably can't control what's plugged into their networks so you might be able to get away using one of those although if you damage a charger with it you can expect to hear from their lawyers because they forbid the use of unauthorized adapters.
@@Hans-gb4mv and CCS2, at that. I am seeing this posted a lot in the US, where it is currently worthless. When the CCS1 version comes out, it will be big news in the US.
Because Dala is literally one of a handful of people in the world outside of China to beat test these prototypes. The story will likely get mentioned after this video and/or Inna few months if volume sales start to take off.
@@Hans-gb4mv Well, yes, there are actually some astute US reviewers who will take note. But it is true that we (at least I) live in a land where it's going to be little more than page 6 news for most, even though we technically still have a CHAdeMO car (the Leaf) still in production. I'll gladly eat my words if I'm wrong.
Dala your enthusiasm and determination is commendable 🎉 I don’t own a Leaf but one thing that has put me off is Chademo. Next thing, do these LFP Leaf replacement packs work in reality? An affordable replacement battery pathway combined with an adapter would give the Leaf fleet a lifetime extension for sure! It has always struck me that the Leaf with its simple battery design was designed to have somewhat consumable batteries over its lifetime.
Let's hope someone can bring an LFP pack to market! However in the Nordic countries, there are heaps of salvage 40/62kWh packs to purchase. But always good to have options!
@@mastarceEVs enhanced stopped updating on the progress years ago... so no hope there sadly. Though yes there are already a few aftermarket CATL battery packs from China already being bought and used around the world. They even offer a whopping 77kwh battery for the Leaf 😂
Interesting that the minimum order for this adapter is two units. This is going to change though. Even the price of $1,000 is going to change. We're not in the income bracket to afford $40K+ for a new EV but the idea of a $7,000 carefully chosen second hand Leaf is very appealing and factoring in the price of the adapter is a reasonable option.
The charger station itself will have them eventually. Like all things EV its a positive process progressing, lots of things can improve no reason they wont
@@geiiger I'm not sure - if charging stations wanted to support chademo they could have it already. A pricy adaptor is great for a leaf owner, but makes little sense for a charging station to me. Still, super happy it exists, makes a second hand leaf a lot more appealing :)
I wanted to buy a used leaf, but as you say 90%+ is CCS, and the chademo often broken or occupied. One could even watch locations with 4 Tripple chargers beeing modified to ccs only. The EV community really has been waiting for this, becuase there are lots of still good leafs that were suddenly useless. Mayve there will even a version, that can be built into the car, replacing the whole socket. thanks for sharing.
If it works consistently and doesn't develop a fault and one day melt/catch fire mid-charge, then this is a kind of miracle. For me, I would like to see some long term testing. I would only need it on long journeys, and while expensive I think worth it to enable convenient use of CCS...
This is fantastic. All we need now is for some enterprising company to figure out a way to build one of these into the car itself, like a CCS conversion kit. That could add significant value to used Leafs.
@@1973Hogespecially given the thermal battery management mis-givings of the early LEAFs. But I acknowledge it’s still the early adopter’s era for future proof advance EVs (800v architecture , bespoke EV chassis, OTA updates to firmware, Plug and Charge capability, high peak charging rates and 300+ miles range) so these EV are not yet available to the person on UK average salary. So extending the practicality and appeal of budget choice older LEAFs with this adapter could be a good thing for certain case needs.
Thank you Dala, for sharing such excellent news! I'm located in North America, so will wait until a NACS/J3400 to CHAdeMo Adapter becomes available. Or, a CCS-Type1 to CHAdeMo Adapter (but I'm not expecting CCS-Type1 to be maintain beyond the next 2-4 years)
Great to see! Opens another option for enabling DC charging on EV conversions. Many aftermarket VCUs and BMSs includes native support for CHAdeMO so buy a cheap inlet and this adapter and your good to go (plus some contractors etc.). There is only two other options so far (as far as I know) to enable CCS DC charging on converted cars, and that is BMW i3 EVCC or getting a super pricy kit from Fellten (3300 pounds!!).
This is extremely exciting news. Stumbled on this while looking for some videos to explain to my parents how to charge and road trip my leaf and this is going to make doing that road tripping so much less of a pain or unknown in the future.
To say it's a bit pricey is an understatement. $1000. And I think it would have to allow the cable to lock to it for me to buy one. But thanks for the continued excellent work. Cheers
Amazing. We just got rid of our Kia Soul EV(US) in favor of a more modern CCS car because it was Chademo and there's barely any chademo infrastructure remaining as most major charging networks are phasing it out. this is a game changer
This is really good news. You ask what I think: $1000 is a lot of money and will it keep working? I would buy such an adapter if it is a recognized company that stands behind it (maybe it is) and offers a replacement for $250 if it breaks. Of course, I dare to buy such an adapter when you have seen it on the market for example for a year and people give good reviews. It's a little early for me, but it's great news and potentially my car has become worth more.
Surely the best solution is for the charging stations to keep an adapter or two for loan when someone needs it? Maybe they would take a deposit to stop people running away with it. Or have the adapter secured to the CCS charging station.
To provide Chademo stations in the first place is a giant waste of money for the companies (which is why they stopped it). Most EV charge companies lose money on their business and providing a plug that barely anyone uses is not a sensible idea.
I had accepted that this will not arrive before I sell my ChaDeMo car as the next one is most likely going to have a CCS port. That said I actually like ChaDeMo better, from my experience it has less handshake issues and I’ve used the fast chargers hundreds of times over the past years. Two things worry me, though: 1) in winter the thick charging cable is very stiff and puts a lot of stress on the charging port as is, this adapter is really long and not flexible, which makes the mechanical advantage of the cable pulling sideways on the charge port even more of an issue. This is an even bigger problem for cars that don’t have the port on the front, but in the rear side instead as the cable is sometimes barely able to reach and is under tension even without the long adapter. And 2) a lot of the chargers I use every day have really short handshake time, once authorised You have to either already be plugged in or need to plug the cable in within x seconds (this is a problem with chargers that have the connectos locked to the station and the lock only disengages when You authorise charging). The need to plug the cable in to an adapter, press start and then connect it to the car doubles the handshake procedure time.
Wow ! I need one , I usually use level 2 or home plug , but I do need one at times, I want the 2024 leaf in future once it reaches 5 years old and it only has the damn Chademo.
Glad someone figured this out. Looks like you will get a workout with this thing. Maybe all the Nissan Leafs will migrate north of the Mason Dixon line where their batteries (lacking thermal mgmt) will have an easier life.
Looks like a great idea. My only concern is we purchased a type 1 to type 2 adaptor for the wife's Kia soul and it melted after a year and it would not work with my ID Buzz so in end I've had to replace our home charger to type 2 untethered. So we can charge all our cars. As we have an older leaf 30kWh which now has a range of 63 miles on a full charge. This adapter would be a game changer but not at over £1000 pounds. As I'd rather put it towards getting a replacement battery for it.
Was it a genuine Kia cable?? My Soul is over 7 years old, and the T2-T1 adapter cable has been faultless. I DO now have a brand new cable, as it wasnt AC charging and the garage were desperate to try every remedy before admitting it was the OBC and replacing it under warranty (£1750 part) A new Kia cable is £179; I know that as they tried to charge me for it, before admitting it was an OBC failure. Although the price was £1500 when the 1st (non functioning) CCS adapters went out, when I checked yesterday; there were sellers touting from the mid £600 range; with a single unit for mid £700s; although VAT on top......... Hopefully, the price will fall further now there is a working version and other Chinese firms copy it. My main concern is - it has only been successfully tested on a Leaf, it would be nice to have another video demonstrating it working on other makes of car.
I would be interested in a CCS1 to Chademo adapter here in the U.S. I don’t think I would get it for my 2017 Leaf but I am considering getting a newer 62kwh Leaf in about a year and having a CCS1 adapter would be a significant part of that decision. Thanks for your videos!
We just need a modern upgraded battery pack for leaf must be possible Dala are you the man to do it.all that room in battery box let's keep LEAF and the like on the road for 40 years like milk floats!(Brian dawson)
Will be useful when buying secondhand EV as I would have ruled out any CHADEMO cars before. At £1000 each with tax and min order of 2 will still put some people off but I'm sure the price will drop in 12 months time.
Dala states that you can order just one if you contact the company directly. We purchased our Leaf to do local trips (shopping) and some short journeys (airport runs) so we have not had any charging issues so far.
Hi @DalasEVRepair. For a lot of people I think a conversion is still a better option. Sure, not for average cunsumers like mom and pop. But for tinkers/DIYs like you and me, I think conversion is the better option. Is this something you have planned to feature any content around on your channel (in respect of your business). Thanks.
Not a big issue for me with my 2014 Berlingo(22.5KWh battery) yet since the networks still install some Chademo connectors even at new charging locations here in Norway, but yeah, going to take a long, hard look at it when the wallet allows.
I hope we get user experience if it really works with all the chademo cars and not just first gen leaf. This would really help to make those cars way more usefull in long run. Chademo cars and not high on demand in aftermarkets, but with this they could get more interested buyers.
I have a 2023 leaf and sadly it also comes with chademo, we have a company called Muxan here that does conversions but that voids my warrantee, however this is the ultimate solution.
Hilariously the other way around would also be a welcome relief to CCS owners who are in areas where all the CCS chargers are taken and CHaDeMo adoption is quite low despite the huge amount of CHaDeMo chargers available... Is anyone working on that?
Yes, CHAdeMO to CCS adapters have existed for many years. The reason this one is an achievement is that a CHAdeMO to CCS adapter (what you're requesting) can be powered from either side before starting a charging session, and the locking mechanism is on the car and station, not the adapter. A CCS to CHAdeMO adapter (like the one in the video) needs to supply power to both the car and the station before the charging session starts, requiring a fairly powerful internal battery, and it needs the locking mechanism for both the car and station to be in the adapter. Where have you seen this many CHAdeMO stations? Most stations being installed in my country (Australia) have been CCS only, with some being a mix of CCS and CHAdeMO. I've never seen a CHAdeMO only station.
As ever, Dala, you're the Boss!! Thankyou for showing us this, and thankyou too for the work you did, making your own. 1 question - is it this actual unit that allows the 75kw charge on 62kwh #LeafBatteryUpgrade cars?? Thanks again.
Thanks for the great news! Would be interested in how this fairs long term as it does look quite long and hence I wonder about the strain on the Chademo socket in the car. Also the price at around £1000 plus tax's for me in UK is really pricey. Hopefully they can get it down to about £500 including tax's and I will get one. Also wonder if as others pointed out it might end up getting blacklisted as I am sure the energy suppliers wont like us connecting a third party adapter on there hardware. Still cant figure out why Nissan did not make and release one of these, maybe for legal reasons?
This is so good, I can´t believe this ain´t a scam. Can I actually order it rn? In Germany? I hate my chademo :( So many new CCS chargers around here, not a single chademo for 30 km!!
I literally stayed clapping when I heard your LEAF start charging. This changes everything! But what about CCS1 for us here in the United States?! And if not: would a CCS1 to CCS2 work with this adapter so that I can buy it and convert it to work with my US LEAF? I am totally ok with a janky adapter with USB cables hanging off I'm totally fine with it as long as it works. What about Tesla Supercharger CCS to a CCS1 to CCS2 to CHAdeMO would that work? What a fun idea to imagine a LEAF successfully charging on a CCS Tesla SuperCharger.
For $1500 I'll just charge at home. All chademo cars are not really good for long distances anyway. Very cool it's built tho, I'm sure the 5 nissan leaf fans with money to blow are super happy.
With the discontinuation of the only approved V2G charger in Australia the Wallbox Quasar, and most manufacturers focusing on CCS2 V2G chargers, Dala can you please test this adapter, if you can get your hands on a CCS2 V2G charger?
WOW - you saved my idea to sell my NISSAN LEAF E+ just because of that fact... well - some charging station only offer Type 2, no CSS... then max. 6.6 KW is possible if the station offers 22kw/3-phase - if only 11kw/3-phase offered... annoying 3.6kw.... Perfect would also be an adapter Type 2 AC 22KW to CHADEMO DC...
Incredible! Is there any anti-theft protection, or are you able to just stop the charging and unplug it without authorisation? I'm concerned about a $1000 device being stolen while I'm in the service station waiting for the charge.
Good News. Like all new gadgets the price is high but with new products on market like these one, the price will fall. Let’s wait until the price is acceptable. Dala, Keep the good work with news and help for this vintage EV 😂. You are a guru Leafs 😂
There already is a CCS1-Chademo version available from the same company; www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Custom-CCS1-TO-CHAdeMO-adapter-DC_1600909599359.html?spm=a2700.shop_plgr.41413.77.51a31c04JHaZvN
This is great but a lot of folks use their leaf to just tootle around town. Last time I DC charged was a year or so ago. But, nice to know we're not going to be left in the dark in a few years. The Chadamo chargers are few and far between.
Interesting video. This adapter is probably what many CHAdeMO drivers have been waiting for. Regarding the design, I could have preferred that the adapter itself was divided into 2 parts with a short cable in between. CCS cables are typically both heavy and stiff and I think that the charging port itself in the car is exposed to extra stress in the current design.
Before you buy this, just remember in North America, all of the charging companies have stated that they will not accept any adapter that were not made by or certified by the car's manufacturer and that any damage to their system will be the borne by the user. So if you brake the charger, you are on the hook for the repair, the legal fees, the penalties and a lifetime ban from their entire network.
That requirement by the charger operators is mostly for legal cover in case of damage, not to prevent users from using their networks. I expect some operators will require "registering" the adapter (the CCS protocol does have fingerprint capability) but I doubt that outright banning of adapters will be widespread.
@@alsavage1 You can keep saying that but Electrify America and others have already stated, only Automobile Manufacturer OEM or Certified adapters will be allowed, no if's ands or but's, NONE.
At $1000 USD, I can't justify that given I don't really road trip that often. If the price were to come down to ~$400 USD, then I would probably get it.
@DalasEVRepair I am curious about the charging rates. Does it still throttle the charge down via the Leaf controller? I notice that most ccs are of higher charge rates. Also thank you for posting this! Definitely going to buy one very soon
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They said it could never be done because it would require a computer inside the adapter. Turns out, there are plenty of brilliant people in the world so the tiny computer is not impossible.
And there is computer inside adapter for sure. 🤓😜😂
It's not that it couldn't be done, it's more a question of whether or not you could ever turn this into something profitable.
cpc spying on you😂@@pangrac1
hahaha and we have tiny computers that can fit inside that space ..
the actual reason was because CCS was NOT Open Source until recently
I think there is a world market for maybe five computers.
Santa Claus turns up late and wearing an orange puffa. Dala you rock.
Yes, adapter with half price of a car soooo priceless : ))
@@aifredo8491 it's $1000, correct?
Average happiness of entire population of Finland up by at least 5% today! Great to see it.
And lots of Leaf drivers in Canada!
I commissioned the CCS1 version for USA CHAdeMO vehicles and am testing it now near Seattle. Not ready for sale yet, but the same quality construction as this CCS2 version.
Did you make a video showing it working in the US?
Keep us updated! Looking to test in Portland.
Would love to know how it's going. Any estimate on when the final US model will be ready to sell? We're also in the Seattle area.
Just bought a 2022 Nissan Leaf S+. Also have a 2024 SV+ and a 2013 SV in our family. We would L O V E to have adaptors.
Thanks for sharing info.
Thank you for testing the adapter and helping Dongguan Longwood company to improve the software by transmitting error logs.
And it only cost slightly more than the value of my 2015 Leaf.
Awesomely clever. Helps keep older Chademo-powered vehicles in the road.
I just dropped in to say that we deliver from our online store to all over the Europe, not only to Finland. The first pre-order is open until Friday of this week. So early birds, be early!
Great job Dala!
This is amazing. Looks like there's life in the old Leaf yet!
they are still fine, but this was the culprit. now one can use the old leaf again, maybe even upgrade the batteries.
Awesome! Price will drop for sure. Somebody needs to order 100items, lot of Leafs and Zoë owners will be really happy with those adapters
Leaf owners sure but Zoe? Am I mistaken didn’t it originally just use faster Type 2 at 22kw or 43kw and then later got CCS?
Zoe never used CHAdeMO
Zoe is not even a DC charging car, only AC and thus type 2.
@@martijnkosters9024 actually since 2020 Zoe’s have had CCS2 ports. My daughter has a 2022 ZE.50 equipped with such. Happily charges on all CCS2 public charge points. Even Tesla Superchargers here in the UK
@seansimpson7506 dang. You Britishers get all the good stuff.
Meanwhile, EVs are just ridiculed in the US. Glad to see the "North American Charging Standard" (Tesla) being widely adopted here though. It should make all the difference in reassuring (those who can afford new) adopters. There will still always be older vehicles, but I imagine there will be retrofitters who will adapt older vehicles to NACS (it's mainly just a communications protocol issue)
I purchased a CCS1 version today. I hope it works. They asked if I had seen the Dala video and if that how I found them. Yes. I asked for the Dala discount. Turns out it is 0%. Next time negotiate a discount for all of the referrals this video should generate:-). I am looking forward to driving a little faster vs. having to hypermile to the next, distant, Chademo charger. Thanks.
Can you please please make a video at some point about your experience on how the whole process worked for you? That would be so great. Purchase, usage experience, problems etc. I'll try to follow you if it is possible to follow your account. 👏
Subscribed. Looking forward to your video. Are you on Dala's Dischord or a Leaf forum?
I'll do a video
I will go out to the forums once I get this thing and see how it works in the USA@@paperstreetsoapltd
@@stephenegli4387 Great!
Hyundai Ioniq Electric 28kWh and 38kWh do actually have CCS in Europe.
There are some import models in Europe that have Chademo instead.
@@celeron55where the f* do they put the CHAdeMO port on that car? There isn't room under the charge door.
@@Hans-gb4mv probably a similar charging layout compared to the plugin hybrid, AC in front of the driver door, chademo at the fuel flap.
@@sciencetestsubject correct. They use the two fuel flaps from the phev
At least here in the US, the South Korean EVs first arrived with CHAdeMO and, after a few years, they switch to CCS. I'm going to assume the same thing happened in Europe over the course of the past decade.
I hope they are some other company will do something similar for the US with Chademo to CCS and or the coming NACS/J3400. The price is pretty steep at the moment but maybe with more iterations and some competition it can be reduced. Till then your idea of sharing an adapter makes a lot of sense. PS I would like to see Tesla Bjorn do a test with it. He's apparently after a Kia Soul EV as his press car shuttle and could make good use of it in the Winter months.
Original Teslas could charge off Chademo with adapters and not CCS plugs. I wonder if the original Teslas used some Chademo logic or communication protocols. If so, the current Tesla charging infrastructure might be easily adaptable to Chademo vehicles. The only knock here is that really the only Chademo vehicles of any number in the US are Nissal Leafs and they charge pretty slow.
@@martalliNACS to Chademo would seem the most logical pathway
I hope EU will switch to NACS as plug standard
Tesla will never allow a kludge like that on the Supercharger network. The CCS1 to NACS adapter that will be offered by the legacy automakers automakers will be made by Tesla, that means they can guarantee that they won't damage the Superchargers. The CCS companies probably can't control what's plugged into their networks so you might be able to get away using one of those although if you damage a charger with it you can expect to hear from their lawyers because they forbid the use of unauthorized adapters.
@@PaoloSulpriziowhat would be a benefit of that? None, I would say. Can it do 3 phase AC charging?
the Chinese would never have made it work without your help. good job Dala👌
Keeps all these Chademo cars rolling . Great bit of work and congrats to all involved.
This is huge! Why aren't all the EV channels covering this
Because it adds value to EVs that millionaires aren't interested in.
Because there aren't many CHAdeMO EVs out there in countries where CCS won the battle.
@@Hans-gb4mv and CCS2, at that.
I am seeing this posted a lot in the US, where it is currently worthless.
When the CCS1 version comes out, it will be big news in the US.
Because Dala is literally one of a handful of people in the world outside of China to beat test these prototypes.
The story will likely get mentioned after this video and/or Inna few months if volume sales start to take off.
@@Hans-gb4mv Well, yes, there are actually some astute US reviewers who will take note. But it is true that we (at least I) live in a land where it's going to be little more than page 6 news for most, even though we technically still have a CHAdeMO car (the Leaf) still in production. I'll gladly eat my words if I'm wrong.
Dala your enthusiasm and determination is commendable 🎉 I don’t own a Leaf but one thing that has put me off is Chademo. Next thing, do these LFP Leaf replacement packs work in reality? An affordable replacement battery pathway combined with an adapter would give the Leaf fleet a lifetime extension for sure! It has always struck me that the Leaf with its simple battery design was designed to have somewhat consumable batteries over its lifetime.
Let's hope someone can bring an LFP pack to market! However in the Nordic countries, there are heaps of salvage 40/62kWh packs to purchase. But always good to have options!
EVs enhanced has a blade battery for the leaf, i think this is LFP. But there are also CATL big cell options which are also very good apparently.
@@mastarceEVs enhanced stopped updating on the progress years ago... so no hope there sadly. Though yes there are already a few aftermarket CATL battery packs from China already being bought and used around the world. They even offer a whopping 77kwh battery for the Leaf 😂
@@HNRichard yes the algorithm suggested some videos from some very Chinese sources showing a modular Leaf pack with CATL cells.
In Russia, we can order CATL 180Ah (62 kWh) elements from China for $4,300 and all sorts of wires and hardware (also battery heating) for $1,000.
Interesting that the minimum order for this adapter is two units. This is going to change though. Even the price of $1,000 is going to change. We're not in the income bracket to afford $40K+ for a new EV but the idea of a $7,000 carefully chosen second hand Leaf is very appealing and factoring in the price of the adapter is a reasonable option.
The charger station itself will have them eventually. Like all things EV its a positive process progressing, lots of things can improve no reason they wont
@@geiiger I'm not sure - if charging stations wanted to support chademo they could have it already. A pricy adaptor is great for a leaf owner, but makes little sense for a charging station to me. Still, super happy it exists, makes a second hand leaf a lot more appealing :)
@@geiiger the chargers of FastNed offered in their first years chademo-tesla adapters at their stations. worked perfeclty
@@geiigerwhy would they have them installed? To serve the five broke customers who have chademo vehicles?
The biggest selling EV in the world is Chademo @@Entertainment-
I wanted to buy a used leaf, but as you say 90%+ is CCS, and the chademo often broken or occupied.
One could even watch locations with 4 Tripple chargers beeing modified to ccs only.
The EV community really has been waiting for this, becuase there are lots of still good leafs that were suddenly useless.
Mayve there will even a version, that can be built into the car, replacing the whole socket.
thanks for sharing.
HELL YEAH! THIS WILL SAVE AND PROLONG THE LIFE OF SO MANY EVS! We need a north american one!
If it works consistently and doesn't develop a fault and one day melt/catch fire mid-charge, then this is a kind of miracle. For me, I would like to see some long term testing.
I would only need it on long journeys, and while expensive I think worth it to enable convenient use of CCS...
This is fantastic. All we need now is for some enterprising company to figure out a way to build one of these into the car itself, like a CCS conversion kit. That could add significant value to used Leafs.
Muxsan in the Netherlands do it for around 3000 EU
@@MrIsmilealot Personally, I would take the 3,000 EU and put it towards an EV that already had a CCS charging port.
@@1973Hogespecially given the thermal battery management mis-givings of the early LEAFs. But I acknowledge it’s still the early adopter’s era for future proof advance EVs (800v architecture , bespoke EV chassis, OTA updates to firmware, Plug and Charge capability, high peak charging rates and 300+ miles range) so these EV are not yet available to the person on UK average salary. So extending the practicality and appeal of budget choice older LEAFs with this adapter could be a good thing for certain case needs.
Thank you Dala, for sharing such excellent news!
I'm located in North America, so will wait until a NACS/J3400 to CHAdeMo Adapter becomes available. Or, a CCS-Type1 to CHAdeMo Adapter (but I'm not expecting CCS-Type1 to be maintain beyond the next 2-4 years)
The manufacturer already has a CCS1 version available!
This is great news. Well done all those who made this possible. Thank you.
Great to see! Opens another option for enabling DC charging on EV conversions. Many aftermarket VCUs and BMSs includes native support for CHAdeMO so buy a cheap inlet and this adapter and your good to go (plus some contractors etc.). There is only two other options so far (as far as I know) to enable CCS DC charging on converted cars, and that is BMW i3 EVCC or getting a super pricy kit from Fellten (3300 pounds!!).
This is amazing, hopefully they'll make a version for the north American CCS. I'd buy one soooo fast
How EXCITING!!!! I am going to wait a little bit for the competition and see what comes up!
Thanks for the exciting news and update!
OMFG I can't believe it 😢
I need this. Right now. Checking the store
This is extremely exciting news. Stumbled on this while looking for some videos to explain to my parents how to charge and road trip my leaf and this is going to make doing that road tripping so much less of a pain or unknown in the future.
To say it's a bit pricey is an understatement. $1000. And I think it would have to allow the cable to lock to it for me to buy one. But thanks for the continued excellent work. Cheers
NO WAY the once impossible made possible! 🤯
Makes DIY CCS for your EV conversion much easier.
Mount this in the car - chademo is easy to DIY.
Outstanding! Thanks Dala. Now if we can also get an NACS to Chademo adapter...
even smaller marked since NACS is US ONLY
This is fantastic! Engineering can solve a lot of problems here.
Amazing. We just got rid of our Kia Soul EV(US) in favor of a more modern CCS car because it was Chademo and there's barely any chademo infrastructure remaining as most major charging networks are phasing it out. this is a game changer
This is really good news. You ask what I think:
$1000 is a lot of money and will it keep working? I would buy such an adapter if it is a recognized company that stands behind it (maybe it is) and offers a replacement for $250 if it breaks. Of course, I dare to buy such an adapter when you have seen it on the market for example for a year and people give good reviews. It's a little early for me, but it's great news and potentially my car has become worth more.
Surely the best solution is for the charging stations to keep an adapter or two for loan when someone needs it? Maybe they would take a deposit to stop people running away with it. Or have the adapter secured to the CCS charging station.
To provide Chademo stations in the first place is a giant waste of money for the companies (which is why they stopped it).
Most EV charge companies lose money on their business and providing a plug that barely anyone uses is not a sensible idea.
I'd have no hesitation ordering this if they ever become available in Norway.
I had accepted that this will not arrive before I sell my ChaDeMo car as the next one is most likely going to have a CCS port. That said I actually like ChaDeMo better, from my experience it has less handshake issues and I’ve used the fast chargers hundreds of times over the past years. Two things worry me, though: 1) in winter the thick charging cable is very stiff and puts a lot of stress on the charging port as is, this adapter is really long and not flexible, which makes the mechanical advantage of the cable pulling sideways on the charge port even more of an issue. This is an even bigger problem for cars that don’t have the port on the front, but in the rear side instead as the cable is sometimes barely able to reach and is under tension even without the long adapter. And 2) a lot of the chargers I use every day have really short handshake time, once authorised You have to either already be plugged in or need to plug the cable in within x seconds (this is a problem with chargers that have the connectos locked to the station and the lock only disengages when You authorise charging). The need to plug the cable in to an adapter, press start and then connect it to the car doubles the handshake procedure time.
Wow ! I need one , I usually use level 2 or home plug , but I do need one at times, I want the 2024 leaf in future once it reaches 5 years old and it only has the damn Chademo.
Fantastic, I wish that thing was aruond 5 years ago when I was driving a Kia Soul, it would have helped a lot. Happy charging!
Glad someone figured this out. Looks like you will get a workout with this thing. Maybe all the Nissan Leafs will migrate north of the Mason Dixon line where their batteries (lacking thermal mgmt) will have an easier life.
Looks like a great idea. My only concern is we purchased a type 1 to type 2 adaptor for the wife's Kia soul and it melted after a year and it would not work with my ID Buzz so in end I've had to replace our home charger to type 2 untethered. So we can charge all our cars. As we have an older leaf 30kWh which now has a range of 63 miles on a full charge. This adapter would be a game changer but not at over £1000 pounds. As I'd rather put it towards getting a replacement battery for it.
Was it a genuine Kia cable?? My Soul is over 7 years old, and the T2-T1 adapter cable has been faultless.
I DO now have a brand new cable, as it wasnt AC charging and the garage were desperate to try every remedy before admitting it was the OBC and replacing it under warranty (£1750 part)
A new Kia cable is £179; I know that as they tried to charge me for it, before admitting it was an OBC failure.
Although the price was £1500 when the 1st (non functioning) CCS adapters went out, when I checked yesterday; there were sellers touting from the mid £600 range; with a single unit for mid £700s; although VAT on top.........
Hopefully, the price will fall further now there is a working version and other Chinese firms copy it.
My main concern is - it has only been successfully tested on a Leaf, it would be nice to have another video demonstrating it working on other makes of car.
I would be interested in a CCS1 to Chademo adapter here in the U.S. I don’t think I would get it for my 2017 Leaf but I am considering getting a newer 62kwh Leaf in about a year and having a CCS1 adapter would be a significant part of that decision. Thanks for your videos!
The linked webstore has a CCS1 adapter version also!
We just need a modern upgraded battery pack for leaf must be possible Dala are you the man to do it.all that room in battery box let's keep LEAF and the like on the road for 40 years like milk floats!(Brian dawson)
2:42 i can imagine a 50kg lady in high heels and winter storm saying ”Amazing, it just works!”
A game changer it is! I discarded the Leaf just because of the Chademo, shame since they are good cars and not so pricey! Oops it’s expensive, $1000!
Indeed phantastic! Thank you for pushing this for so long!
Great you did it! Sad putting it in the trunk of Leaf 1 nearly doubles its price 😅
Impressive and I would like to have the adapter but I don’t need it bad enough to justify the 1000 dollar price tag.
This is great news. I am looking forward to when they come out with a CCS combo one port adapter
They have one for sale
Thank you for buying and testing this for us
Will be useful when buying secondhand EV as I would have ruled out any CHADEMO cars before. At £1000 each with tax and min order of 2 will still put some people off but I'm sure the price will drop in 12 months time.
Dala states that you can order just one if you contact the company directly. We purchased our Leaf to do local trips (shopping) and some short journeys (airport runs) so we have not had any charging issues so far.
Hi @DalasEVRepair. For a lot of people I think a conversion is still a better option. Sure, not for average cunsumers like mom and pop. But for tinkers/DIYs like you and me, I think conversion is the better option. Is this something you have planned to feature any content around on your channel (in respect of your business). Thanks.
With NACS and CCS getting unified in the US, this would allow access to the Supercharger network as well. This is huge.
Yes, with this adapter you can charge on Tesla EU chargers! I intend to test that soon :)
Outstanding! 😂
Great video as usual, Dala.
Now, can that be adapted to be a retrofit kit to change the leaf two receptacles into a standard ccs?
Not a big issue for me with my 2014 Berlingo(22.5KWh battery) yet since the networks still install some Chademo connectors even at new charging locations here in Norway, but yeah, going to take a long, hard look at it when the wallet allows.
I hope we get user experience if it really works with all the chademo cars and not just first gen leaf. This would really help to make those cars way more usefull in long run. Chademo cars and not high on demand in aftermarkets, but with this they could get more interested buyers.
Great Cademo cars are saved for the future, now.
I have a 2023 leaf and sadly it also comes with chademo, we have a company called Muxan here that does conversions but that voids my warrantee, however this is the ultimate solution.
Hilariously the other way around would also be a welcome relief to CCS owners who are in areas where all the CCS chargers are taken and CHaDeMo adoption is quite low despite the huge amount of CHaDeMo chargers available... Is anyone working on that?
Yes, CHAdeMO to CCS adapters have existed for many years.
The reason this one is an achievement is that a CHAdeMO to CCS adapter (what you're requesting) can be powered from either side before starting a charging session, and the locking mechanism is on the car and station, not the adapter.
A CCS to CHAdeMO adapter (like the one in the video) needs to supply power to both the car and the station before the charging session starts, requiring a fairly powerful internal battery, and it needs the locking mechanism for both the car and station to be in the adapter.
Where have you seen this many CHAdeMO stations? Most stations being installed in my country (Australia) have been CCS only, with some being a mix of CCS and CHAdeMO. I've never seen a CHAdeMO only station.
As ever, Dala, you're the Boss!!
Thankyou for showing us this, and thankyou too for the work you did, making your own.
1 question - is it this actual unit that allows the 75kw charge on 62kwh #LeafBatteryUpgrade cars??
Thanks again.
Yes this adapter is rated for 200A (75kW), will test that once the weather warms up!
Thanks for the great news! Would be interested in how this fairs long term as it does look quite long and hence I wonder about the strain on the Chademo socket in the car. Also the price at around £1000 plus tax's for me in UK is really pricey. Hopefully they can get it down to about £500 including tax's and I will get one. Also wonder if as others pointed out it might end up getting blacklisted as I am sure the energy suppliers wont like us connecting a third party adapter on there hardware. Still cant figure out why Nissan did not make and release one of these, maybe for legal reasons?
$1000 USD is about 800 British Pounds.
500 is where I would want it to be
I will by one, but first I will repalce my 24 battery to 40 or 62 in my Leaf 😉
Very nice!!!!!! A must have for chademo Bevs!!! .....but also nice to have a battery like yous in the Leave.....😢
Wonderful. Nissan needs to rebrand it (though Nissan probably does not give a hoot). Most USA DCFC charge networks do not allow third party adapters.
Das wird vielen chademo Ladern den Hintern retten!
Dala is the happiest in Finland!
I'm interested to see how you disconnect once charging is complete.
One bummer is that on the website you have to order at least two. At $1000US each, that's a lot.
This is so good, I can´t believe this ain´t a scam.
Can I actually order it rn? In Germany? I hate my chademo :( So many new CCS chargers around here, not a single chademo for 30 km!!
I'll be keeping an eye on it certainly, but the price will need to come down quite a bit.
Only thing I can say to that: „Sad but true..“ 🎶🎶
I literally stayed clapping when I heard your LEAF start charging. This changes everything! But what about CCS1 for us here in the United States?! And if not: would a CCS1 to CCS2 work with this adapter so that I can buy it and convert it to work with my US LEAF? I am totally ok with a janky adapter with USB cables hanging off I'm totally fine with it as long as it works. What about Tesla Supercharger CCS to a CCS1 to CCS2 to CHAdeMO would that work? What a fun idea to imagine a LEAF successfully charging on a CCS Tesla SuperCharger.
Ccs1 on website
For $1500 I'll just charge at home. All chademo cars are not really good for long distances anyway. Very cool it's built tho, I'm sure the 5 nissan leaf fans with money to blow are super happy.
Given that even new 62kwh leaf have chademo, I could see that this would be useful for people who own those models.
With the discontinuation of the only approved V2G charger in Australia the Wallbox Quasar, and most manufacturers focusing on CCS2 V2G chargers, Dala can you please test this adapter, if you can get your hands on a CCS2 V2G charger?
WOW - you saved my idea to sell my NISSAN LEAF E+ just because of that fact... well - some charging station only offer Type 2, no CSS... then max. 6.6 KW is possible if the station offers 22kw/3-phase - if only 11kw/3-phase offered... annoying 3.6kw.... Perfect would also be an adapter Type 2 AC 22KW to CHADEMO DC...
Wonderful. Hopefully ccs1 adapter comes soon.
For sale on website
Incredible! Is there any anti-theft protection, or are you able to just stop the charging and unplug it without authorisation? I'm concerned about a $1000 device being stolen while I'm in the service station waiting for the charge.
This is just great! Thanks for this information 😃👍🏻
Good News. Like all new gadgets the price is high but with new products on market like these one, the price will fall. Let’s wait until the price is acceptable.
Dala, Keep the good work with news and help for this vintage EV 😂. You are a guru Leafs 😂
Very cool! Is there a plan from the company to offer a CCS1 version for North America?
There already is a CCS1-Chademo version available from the same company; www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Custom-CCS1-TO-CHAdeMO-adapter-DC_1600909599359.html?spm=a2700.shop_plgr.41413.77.51a31c04JHaZvN
why do you have to order two?@@DalasEVRepair
My Mitsubishi minicab miev EV Kei van will benefit from one of these.
This is great but a lot of folks use their leaf to just tootle around town. Last time I DC charged was a year or so ago. But, nice to know we're not going to be left in the dark in a few years. The Chadamo chargers are few and far between.
So, when can we see the first test of a GB/T to CCS2 Adapter for unofficial Chinese imports of, say, the VW ID.6? 😁
Interesting video. This adapter is probably what many CHAdeMO drivers have been waiting for. Regarding the design, I could have preferred that the adapter itself was divided into 2 parts with a short cable in between. CCS cables are typically both heavy and stiff and I think that the charging port itself in the car is exposed to extra stress in the current design.
There is an upcoming adapter that has this specific design. I will check it out once it releases
Before you buy this, just remember in North America, all of the charging companies have stated that they will not accept any adapter that were not made by or certified by the car's manufacturer and that any damage to their system will be the borne by the user. So if you brake the charger, you are on the hook for the repair, the legal fees, the penalties and a lifetime ban from their entire network.
That requirement by the charger operators is mostly for legal cover in case of damage, not to prevent users from using their networks. I expect some operators will require "registering" the adapter (the CCS protocol does have fingerprint capability) but I doubt that outright banning of adapters will be widespread.
@@alsavage1 You can keep saying that but Electrify America and others have already stated, only Automobile Manufacturer OEM or Certified adapters will be allowed, no if's ands or but's, NONE.
This is great for Europe... but what about a CCS1 version for the US?
The linked webstore has a CCS1 adapter version also!
Love the company name. It's almost huge dong long one
LOL 😂
At $1000 USD, I can't justify that given I don't really road trip that often. If the price were to come down to ~$400 USD, then I would probably get it.
Mitsubishi i-MiEV, 13 years old. Battery used to be 16 kWh. I have seen it charging 13 kW at a fast charger. At least it makes me thinking.
You are my new Favorite RUclipsr
You are my favourite viewer (don't tell the others)
Good news for leaf drivers like myself. If they remain so expensive perhaps they could be hired just for long journeys.
Does it lock to the car when charging? I am a little worried about someone stealing the adapter if I walk away while the car is charging.
See comments elsewhere, no
Has this been tested on "open to all" Tesla superchargers? A few other EV models had teething issues with those so might be worth testing.
@DalasEVRepair I am curious about the charging rates. Does it still throttle the charge down via the Leaf controller? I notice that most ccs are of higher charge rates. Also thank you for posting this! Definitely going to buy one very soon
Kia Soul EV 2019+ are CCS. I have one - and it is !
As a new leaf owner this is great news 🎉
Is that a large CCS adapter in your hands, or are you just pleased to see me 😊