One thing that I have pondered on: We have absolutely no way of knowing whether blights happen in the other unknown parts of the world. What if the 'cataclysm' was a blight? Maybe there's only one Old God left? Or worse, none?
iSultan Sultangaliev They might, but we really don't know:/ It might be distance based, or maybe it was detected but not written down (maybe in Weisshaubt) since nothing came of it (that was noticeable on this continent anyway). Or they detected it, but it was a long time ago and the records were lost. Or maybe it happened before the blights on "our" continent, before wardens existed.
Anco8899 If that were the case then that would mean there are either more old gods on other lands or there are no old gods at all and Archdemons are just High Dragons corrupted by the taint. The Wardens know the locations of all of The Old Gods and they all seem to be in Thedas. Unless the Darkspawn have moved beyond Thedas underground, I'm pretty sure they're isolated to Thedas only. It was the Magister's who brought the Taint back from the Black City that created Darkspawn. So a similar event needs to happen or at least someone on another continent needed to go into the void or the black city to bring the taint back.
I don’t think we will ever know about all these “beyonders” in the dragon age universe. It’s too bad because with everything you mentioned I could say that they could probably have enough for five or seven more games in this universe
Id prefer 1-3 more "Dragon age" games - explaining Solas' attempt to make the Elves great again, The last and final blight - then one game that concludes the end of the dragon age - then i prefer us to go back a couple hundred years - say a game set during the very first blight - and the creation of the grey wardens aswell as letting the players experience Griffins - just my thoughts tho.
Ladlaw actually confirmed that up until he left Bioware the team had already begun setting up a possible Dragon Age 5, so the franchise seems pretty alive enough that we MAY actually learn more of this unknown lands of Thedas. We ARE running out of worthy lands to see if Tevinter and Northern Thedas will be the next game's setting so I wouldn't be surprised if we're introduced to new areas soon enough. Heck, if some theories hold water and Solas actually succeds in his plan, maybe the possible destruction is the perfet excuse for the introduction of new lands that were either too well hidden or just hard to reach (like the western lands The Warden was seeking).
Far as I remember the main loss to the team was David Gaider and he appointed Patrick Weekes as his replacement as lead writer of the franchise. ANd considering Patrick Weekes wrote some of the best Mass Effect setpieces and character storylines as well being responsible for the writing of some of the best DLC in the games IMO (Lair of the Shadow Broker, Leviathan and Citadel) one would say he has the writing chops for the job. In Dragon Age he is responsible for Solas, The Masked Empire novel, and the Tresspaser DLC in itself, so I dare say we are fine in terms of lead writer. So losing David Gaider shouldn't hurt Dragon Age the same way losing Drew did for the Mass Effect franchise. Though yes, having some decent writers for the characters themselves would help. Character storylines are as vital to immersing you into the game as the main storyline itself.
LeonGun8 omg i just knew this now i hope Patrick Weekes saves da4 😭 i remember seeing all the content that he didn’t include in Solas’s character when a lot of fans asked him questions on twitter a few years ago n damn it was wild Weekes literally exposed the egg
I think the Executors are a society of Kossith mages. I think the Qun ideology fought the Executors and lost. In their defeat they fled to Par Vollen. That would explain why Bull says they can't go back to where they came from and why they have such a hate and fear of magic.
Notsosmartguy 625 I realise I'm late replying, lol, but I'm sure Morrigan mentions that she had some sort of lead for him there. That being said, I only know that due to her being my romance option in inquisition and I'm not sure why the warden might be drawn there without her.
At very least if people are over their. Give them a warning about the blight. To prep. Also so much of all species have forgot part of their history, probably gotten parts wrong (history is written by the Victor) so for all we know. A city of titans could (probably not) be their. Of people who have been spending time from the first blight just preparing to kill them or hoping the mountains keep them back. Would also be cool if a diffrent group of dwarves and elves unknown to rest.
Do we know if the deep roads extended through the western mountains? We know that Kal-Sharok exist far to the west so wouldn't it makes sense such a great thaig were connected to more thaigs and roads to west
Kal Sharok used to be the capital of the Dwarven empire so it'd make sense for it to have been in a central location. after all were told there were 7 brothers who founded the Dwarven great thaigs but we only have knowledge of 4 of them
Just had a terrifying thought; Bioware isn't going to touch on one of them, then use that as a launching point for an eventual soft reboot Dragon Age Andromeda
This is so cool, especially the Executors. I'd be over the bloody moon if we could actually make contact with them in DA4. Maybe they'd be interested in Solas. What am I saying, of course they'd be interested, provided they don't know about it already. A mythical organization(?) to rival one of the most powerful forces in the history of Thedas - why the heck not? Videos like that keep me so invested in Thedas lore, and for that I thank you, Ghil. Go with Mythal's blessing.
@@JustMike_Official I just hope they didn't ruin it :"( This game is the last franchise that can save bioware. There are so many potential in the thedas universe :"(
I had never connected Par Ladi and the Executors. I had automatically assumed "wherever the Kossith are from." But that's clever. I hope we get to see more of them.
Loved this video, dose anyone remember the Pyramids of Par Volan? Thier mentioned in a codex in inquisition, perhaps that lost civilization are related to the people on Par lati?
@NFA - We actually don't know that for *sure*, we know that in the cannon a chantry scholar speculated that they were. But think how human centric the chantry are. One of the interesting things about the Thedas lore is that it isn't single layer, each aspect we don't see directly or meet someone who saw it directly, can be coming through a lens where twists, the dust of history blurring, and even lies can come into play. We can know the pyramids are there, they wouldn't be mentioned at all otherwise -- but as to who they are made by, we should remember to doubt and speculate about the motives of even sources within the canon itself.
PurpleGhost yeah very good point atleast the pyramids are there in lore, would be so cool to see a Mayan style lost city deep in the jungles in the next game
Is it wrong for me to say that Thedas is basically Europe during the dark ages. It's separated from the rest of the larger landmass by a mountain range (Urals) a desert (Sahara) and has no idea whats beyond the ocean (Atlantic)
Which is false, as some people, tribes, clans, you name it, actually knew there was land and people beyond Europe during these "dark ages". In fact, trade happened.
@@slattenlangpatten but that still fits here. The people of Thedas know there's lands beyond their own. It's common knowledge that the qunari are not native to Thedas. The Chasind know of the people that live in the tundra to the south. Multiple groups have tried to sail across the Ameranthine and failed to return (the story of the queen finding the abandoned colony is very reminiscent of Roanoke). And as far as trade, there's that port city in the Anderfels she mentioned. It's just that no one in Thedas has the means or the inclination to successfully move outside our map.
A bit late lol, but maybe there’s other continents but they’re not like “Asia, Africa, etc” and instead get given a different name however I think it’d be a bad idea since the dragon age franchise is supposed to focus on thedas only since there is more to be explored, maybe there should AT LEAST be a few codexs about the different continents which would be interesting
You’re not totally off considering Thedas is just a vaguely shaped Europe flipped upside down (albeit claimed to be the roughly the size of the Indian subcontinent)
If we ever go beyond Thedas is a DA game, I hope Josephine comes with or is involved in some way. Her banter talking about what could be beyond the maps is what first got me thinking of the subject.
Would be weird not to hear about the Executors in the next DA. I mean we are getting a book which is “basically” about them. Same goes for the last two comic books.
I'd love a book or comic about a group of explorers setting out to discover the truth of what happened to that settlement in the east, or pushing into the depths of The Green, or anywhere beyond Thedas.
You’ll find the forbidden west, where new monster awaits, they seem to be mechanical by nature and there’s rumors about a red haired woman who’s able to tame these mechanical beasts 😁
We really don't have much info of the lands beyond Thedas, it seems... (but well, we don't even know much about the mysteries within Thedas, as well...) . Good video, anyways :)
The Executors might be the Parladians of the Boeric Sea, watching Thedas from afar. Notice they claim to be from 'across the sea' which presumably rules out anything across the Amaranthine Ocean.
My most earnest thought is what made what "we" know as Thedas central to historical lore. Really I guess that just devolves and spinters but one last bit before the deep end is the division of realms or territories of the Evanuris. At the very least that which survived the casting of the veil.
glad i found your videos. love sitting back and listening to you explain things and telling lil stories. dragon age is one of my top 5 favorite games. and yes DA2 was boring and repetitive!!! *same maps over and over* but the lore! and the stories and the mysteries1!!! always bring me back. i WAs disapointed in DAI for lack of answers and the answers i DID get left me ..idk feeling like "ugh, no maker? elves were dicks, dwarves are drug dealers, is there REALLY a black city?" i want..no no NEEd answers!!!!!!
How was the Tevinter name of that jungle spelled? I know Latin, so assuming Tevinter's language follows Latin pronunciation rules, I could figure it out. In general, Latin rarely has digraphs. (letters that combine to form a single sound i.e. ch, th, ph, etc.) There are some exceptions, like the ending -ae. Latin letters are pronounced differently than in English. Here's a quick rundown: o = long (sort of like "oh") i = always short (so like the "i" in "it".) v = w (pronounced like the "w" in "which") a = the word "a" c = hard pronunciation (pronounce it like you would a k. "c" as in "can".) j = y g = hard pronunciation ("g" as in "get") e = short ("e" as in "let") s = silent (like "snake") u = ooh t = hard t ("t" as in "touch") ae = long i (like the "i" in "like") That's as much as I can remember off the top of my head. R's are always rolled, but I'm not sure the Dev's would go that far. W's didn't exist in Latin, but that might not be a thing in Dragon Age. I also doubt the Dev's would pronounce V's like W's, as to the common gamer, that'd be confusing. Anyways, you should be able to figure it out fairly well with this.
What I think is West of Thedas is possibly a few theories. Theory 1: West of Thedas is the Continent of Endiness from Legend of Dragoon. I mean it makes sense seeing how both games are dragon themed with a story of discovering the creation of the world, racism towards the non humans (Elves and Qunari of Thedas, Winglies and Gigantos of Endiness) and a colorful cast of characters. Theory 2: West of Thedas is the Continent of Fodlan from Fire Emblem Three Houses. Well both games are about the corrupt of nobility, religion and the horrors of war. Fun fact, Allegra Clark, the Voice of Josephine also did the voices of both Dorothea and Shamir. Theory 3: West of Thedas is the Witcher Continent. I mean both games are dark fantasies where the Elves and Dwarves are treated as second class citizens as they were forced out of their sacred kingdoms. Kingdoms and nobles war against one another for power while a powerful empire plots their demise, mages seek power and a land to rule for their own and an elite group of monster slayers are on the verge of collapsing. Theory #4: West of Thedas is the land of Alagaesia from the Inheritance Cycle. Both are similar in every way, Elves, Dwarves, Dragons, another race of horned giants that have a war like culture (Urgals of Alagaesia and the Qunari of Thedas). A land where an evil empire wishes to rule the world and wipe out the dragons. Theory #5: West of Thedas are the Governments of Ostania and Westalis from Spy X Family. Theory #6: West of Thedas are the various nations of the Continent where Full Metal Alchemist takes place. Theory #7: West of Thedas is the continent of Ivalice from Final Fantasy Tactics. Theory #8: West of Thedas is the Kingdom of Albion and nation of Aurora from the Fable series. Now lets figure out what's south of Thedas with a few theories Theory #1: South of Thedas is the Lands of the Jak and Daxter series Theory #2: South of Thedas is the continent of Nosgoth from Legacy of Kain. Theory #3: South of Thedas is the Kingdom of Hyrule and its various nations from the Legend of Zelda series Theory #4: South of Thedas is Kingdom of Heliopolis and the nations beyond from Sphinx and the Cursed Mummy.
Maybe the deep roads (assuming they go far enough) eventually lead the darkspawn to the area? Imagine one day going to the land only to see every man woman and child turned to a darkspawn
The jungles to the North are probably near the Equator, while the southern tundra aproach the southern polar circle. That would make Thedas about the size of South America on the north-south axis, maybe a bit smaller.
Wingless dragons in the northern jungle makes me think of the Chinese Lung dragon types. That’s always been a hc of mine I also headcanon that the veil ONLY affects Thedas, creating sort of a bubble. Which could explain how so little is known of the outside world and why outsiders are reluctant to interact with thedosians. Apparently the Voshai (presumably from the northwest outer lands across that sea) have no concept of elves? (All the elves are gone or were never there-there was a codex entry about it in DAI but I forget the details) And are super devoted and respectful of dwarves. Assuming elves (which are just spirits on the wrong side of the veil) are unique to Thedas it kind of makes sense, and could even loosely back up the Thedas-Veil bubble theory I also dislike how Thedas centered the worldbuilding is otherwise. The magical shenanigans of a subcontinent claimed to be the size of India by Gaider (but based on geographical biomes should be like the size of South America) affects the entire planet and everyone is subject to what’s going there? Idk man not my jam. Thedas being a shitshow and the lands beyond having their own issues (but indirectly affected by what happens there sure) is much more realistic and interesting
excluding the darkspawn Thedas seems like a haven for most species protecting them from some unknown terror, it can't be the krogan on was hunted as a trophy maybe a branch of corrupted evanuris.
That Island that lacks any animal bigger than a bird and the last survivor commits suicide over leaving the cave. That's cosmic horror right there. Reminds of the planet in Alien Covenant
I think I need to rant a bit about the "thedocentrism" of Dragon Age's worldbuilding. It seems like apparently all of the world-shattering events and phenomenon occur on just a small corner of the world? The rise of two humanoid magical races happened on Thedas. The Veil was created on Thedas. The Golden City was blackened and the Blights began on Thedas. It seems like the only important events that occured or were caused by peoples outside of Thedas was the foundation of the Qun and the rise of humanity. I feel like this is a very irritating facet of Bioware's writing for Dragon Age.
An interesting way they could take this is if these super high-impact events on Thedas don't even register on a world scale. It's possible other things are going on elsewhere that we're just not privy to. What caused the Qunari to need to come here, were they fleeing from some great war that was so bad it chased off the most powerful army in Thedas, an army that it took all the other nations of Thedas banding together to repel and that still hasn't been completely defeated? What stopped the Voshai from trading for so long and stopped anyone from coming back from there?
Id be fine with it if the veil only affected Thedas, creating a sorta bubble that could explain why the outside lands aren’t explored that much. There’s literally a fucked up magical barrier that tears the world apart and messes with anyone from outside trying to go in, or outsiders trying to move out
(Probably something that someone else has already thought about, heh:) - "Qunari came from across the sea." - Executors live across the sea. - Some theorize that the Executors are elves that still serve Ghilan'nain. - In the Dalish legends, Ghilan'nain is the creator of various monsters, like the sea creatures from DA4 art concept. - In "The Horror of Hormak", we learn of weird-ass pools with lyrium and sea water that make monsters and have probably something to do with Ghilan'nain. (Or is it *confirmed* that they're connected to her?) - What if the Executors, as the followers of Ghilan'nain, created the Kossith (later Qunari)? Maybe they experimented with dragon blood on the elves from their group, made the oxmen, and then the lovely creation rebelled or something and ran to the west?
there’s that stall in the skyhold market that arrives after the executor missions (maybe it was there the whole time idk) but the stall guy mentioned higher or greater powers i think
The problem I have with games like this, the elder scrolls are just as guilty is that they have thousands and thousands of years pass with world ending events and only include a very small portion of the world. Like the blight or especially the fade rift seeming to affect at least to some extent all of thedas why has no one from the unknown areas come looking for answers to the random ass shit that happens. And in the example of TES with the oblivion gates, surely Mehrunes Dagon is looking to conquer all of nirn not just Tamriel so like what happened in akavir? We know a civilization exists surely some oblivion gates opened there and why would the Tsesi not send over at least some spies to be like "Yo what the fuck was that?"
Theory spawned from this: Tamriel Tamriel is what is west of Thedas The Voshai were Dwemer, and the Cataclysm they speak of later might have been the disappearance of their people. The Northern Jungles are actually what The Empire knows as Akavir, which is not impossible since the maps of Akavir are in canon mostly speculation.
Elder Scrolls was made by Bethesda, Dragon Age by Bioware. Though yes if Bioware was partnered with Bethesda this theory could make sense, unfortunately they aren't.
Though that doesn't disprove your theory, there is a lot of evidence that could prove that they could take place on the same planet as both have two moons, the size of said moons, etc. I would actually for this theory to be true.
Am I the only one to expect an Antivan expedition that settles durably in Amaranth ? Antiva is based on Spain/Venice, they have the Felicia Armada and people like Isabella (her name always reminds me of queen Isabella) and Josephine, who shows her curiosity for this land. Both of them are quite influent and have influent and rich friends in common to help them to organize such an expedition.
Since the Vashi ONLY Wanted to trade for Lyrium AND they stopped AFTER the 3RD BLIGHT, ...... and ARE Dwarven,..... could they be a type of Sha-Brytol that are willing to Trade on the Surface.... .. we KNOW the Sha-Brytol had Water filled caverns FULL of vegetation AND light, could it hint that they're close to the Ocean (Possibly they COULD be guarding a Different Titan!?)
Isn't there some form of confirmation about another continent east of Thedas? I think there were attempts to settle it by people of Thedas but it's been too difficult.
The one to the west is called Amaranth, it's mentioned in the video (If we ever see it, I wonder if it will be covered in Amaranth plants? hehe XD) The one humans came from is only mentioned very obliquely as a reference to a myth (rather than the myth itself) so I don't think we have a name for it in the lore.
Probably The jungles to the North are probably near the Equator, while the southern tundra aproach the southern polar circle. That would make Thedas about the size of South America on the north-south axis, maybe a bit smaller.
The Executors could Solas's "people". By Trespasser it's obvious he had some elven network of his own which was presumably absent from the base game, except when Leliana manages to track down one of their agents.
Sense this was a bit of a rush job and just something to fill in while your other video is still being worked on you probably didn't realise that we know of other Qunari iron bull calls them the kossith bull also says the storys are not clear but the Qunari had to leave so there is at least one place out side of thedas that has qunari and they don't follow the qun does this mean they act like the Vashoth or tal-Vashoth how knows they could even be the executives as far as we know
Beyond thedas I think was Africa or Asia and thedas county try to colonized like real life events when europeans have colonies in both Africa , South America and asia
I really hope DA4 explains some of this Executors business.
One thing that I have pondered on: We have absolutely no way of knowing whether blights happen in the other unknown parts of the world. What if the 'cataclysm' was a blight? Maybe there's only one Old God left? Or worse, none?
Anco8899 wouldn't Wardens feel them one way or the other? Like see the dreams of the archdemons? Or is it distance based?
iSultan Sultangaliev They might, but we really don't know:/ It might be distance based, or maybe it was detected but not written down (maybe in Weisshaubt) since nothing came of it (that was noticeable on this continent anyway). Or they detected it, but it was a long time ago and the records were lost. Or maybe it happened before the blights on "our" continent, before wardens existed.
Anco8899 If that were the case then that would mean there are either more old gods on other lands or there are no old gods at all and Archdemons are just High Dragons corrupted by the taint. The Wardens know the locations of all of The Old Gods and they all seem to be in Thedas. Unless the Darkspawn have moved beyond Thedas underground, I'm pretty sure they're isolated to Thedas only. It was the Magister's who brought the Taint back from the Black City that created Darkspawn. So a similar event needs to happen or at least someone on another continent needed to go into the void or the black city to bring the taint back.
Titans may be more accurate. Trade only in lyrium, they are dwarves and maybe they did something to awaken it
@@andrewvincent7299 the deep roads are said to extend beyond Thedas, while I doubt it extends that far the possibility still exists.
I don’t think we will ever know about all these “beyonders” in the dragon age universe. It’s too bad because with everything you mentioned I could say that they could probably have enough for five or seven more games in this universe
Id prefer 1-3 more "Dragon age" games - explaining Solas' attempt to make the Elves great again, The last and final blight - then one game that concludes the end of the dragon age - then i prefer us to go back a couple hundred years - say a game set during the very first blight - and the creation of the grey wardens aswell as letting the players experience Griffins - just my thoughts tho.
Ladlaw actually confirmed that up until he left Bioware the team had already begun setting up a possible Dragon Age 5, so the franchise seems pretty alive enough that we MAY actually learn more of this unknown lands of Thedas. We ARE running out of worthy lands to see if Tevinter and Northern Thedas will be the next game's setting so I wouldn't be surprised if we're introduced to new areas soon enough.
Heck, if some theories hold water and Solas actually succeds in his plan, maybe the possible destruction is the perfet excuse for the introduction of new lands that were either too well hidden or just hard to reach (like the western lands The Warden was seeking).
LeonGun8 lets just hope bioware replaces all the great writers that left :(
Far as I remember the main loss to the team was David Gaider and he appointed Patrick Weekes as his replacement as lead writer of the franchise. ANd considering Patrick Weekes wrote some of the best Mass Effect setpieces and character storylines as well being responsible for the writing of some of the best DLC in the games IMO (Lair of the Shadow Broker, Leviathan and Citadel) one would say he has the writing chops for the job. In Dragon Age he is responsible for Solas, The Masked Empire novel, and the Tresspaser DLC in itself, so I dare say we are fine in terms of lead writer. So losing David Gaider shouldn't hurt Dragon Age the same way losing Drew did for the Mass Effect franchise.
Though yes, having some decent writers for the characters themselves would help. Character storylines are as vital to immersing you into the game as the main storyline itself.
LeonGun8 omg i just knew this now i hope Patrick Weekes saves da4 😭
i remember seeing all the content that he didn’t include in Solas’s character when a lot of fans asked him questions on twitter a few years ago n damn it was wild Weekes literally exposed the egg
A game following the Warden on their quest to the west would be an interesting concept to explore.
I think the Executors are a society of Kossith mages. I think the Qun ideology fought the Executors and lost. In their defeat they fled to Par Vollen. That would explain why Bull says they can't go back to where they came from and why they have such a hate and fear of magic.
Im really curious what is west. What makes the Warden so sure there's an answer to be found there?
Notsosmartguy 625 I realise I'm late replying, lol, but I'm sure Morrigan mentions that she had some sort of lead for him there. That being said, I only know that due to her being my romance option in inquisition and I'm not sure why the warden might be drawn there without her.
Since they are untouched by blight it is possible that there are people who know how to protect them selves from corruption of the blight.
Probably the book Morrigan leaves to you in witch Hunt.
WhAtS wEsT oF wEsTeRoS?
At very least if people are over their. Give them a warning about the blight. To prep. Also so much of all species have forgot part of their history, probably gotten parts wrong (history is written by the Victor) so for all we know. A city of titans could (probably not) be their. Of people who have been spending time from the first blight just preparing to kill them or hoping the mountains keep them back. Would also be cool if a diffrent group of dwarves and elves unknown to rest.
Do we know if the deep roads extended through the western mountains? We know that Kal-Sharok exist far to the west so wouldn't it makes sense such a great thaig were connected to more thaigs and roads to west
Kal Sharok used to be the capital of the Dwarven empire so it'd make sense for it to have been in a central location. after all were told there were 7 brothers who founded the Dwarven great thaigs but we only have knowledge of 4 of them
Just had a terrifying thought; Bioware isn't going to touch on one of them, then use that as a launching point for an eventual soft reboot Dragon Age Andromeda
Wasn't there a statement that we would never go beyond Thedas in a main stream game? I honestly might be messing it up with a different franchise
Stained-Rose I don’t think we’re going beyond Thedas, but people from other lands can definitely come TO Thedas
This is so cool, especially the Executors. I'd be over the bloody moon if we could actually make contact with them in DA4. Maybe they'd be interested in Solas. What am I saying, of course they'd be interested, provided they don't know about it already. A mythical organization(?) to rival one of the most powerful forces in the history of Thedas - why the heck not? Videos like that keep me so invested in Thedas lore, and for that I thank you, Ghil. Go with Mythal's blessing.
How do you feel about the trailer of DA4 now? The Executors seems make an appearance in the game....
@@andhikaarisetiawan4542 Much to look forward to, that's all I can say atm.
@@JustMike_Official I just hope they didn't ruin it :"(
This game is the last franchise that can save bioware.
There are so many potential in the thedas universe :"(
I had never connected Par Ladi and the Executors. I had automatically assumed "wherever the Kossith are from." But that's clever. I hope we get to see more of them.
My hope is that in later games we will be able to explore the area beyond thedas.
I really love your channel you deserve so much more recognition
Loved this video, dose anyone remember the Pyramids of Par Volan? Thier mentioned in a codex in inquisition, perhaps that lost civilization are related to the people on Par lati?
no, they were made by the native humans on Par Vollen
NO_FUN_ALLOWED fair but perhaps those same humans populated the islands beyond Par Volan also
@NFA - We actually don't know that for *sure*, we know that in the cannon a chantry scholar speculated that they were. But think how human centric the chantry are.
One of the interesting things about the Thedas lore is that it isn't single layer, each aspect we don't see directly or meet someone who saw it directly, can be coming through a lens where twists, the dust of history blurring, and even lies can come into play. We can know the pyramids are there, they wouldn't be mentioned at all otherwise -- but as to who they are made by, we should remember to doubt and speculate about the motives of even sources within the canon itself.
PurpleGhost yeah very good point atleast the pyramids are there in lore, would be so cool to see a Mayan style lost city deep in the jungles in the next game
Is it wrong for me to say that Thedas is basically Europe during the dark ages. It's separated from the rest of the larger landmass by a mountain range (Urals) a desert (Sahara) and has no idea whats beyond the ocean (Atlantic)
Which is false, as some people, tribes, clans, you name it, actually knew there was land and people beyond Europe during these "dark ages". In fact, trade happened.
@@slattenlangpatten but that still fits here. The people of Thedas know there's lands beyond their own. It's common knowledge that the qunari are not native to Thedas. The Chasind know of the people that live in the tundra to the south. Multiple groups have tried to sail across the Ameranthine and failed to return (the story of the queen finding the abandoned colony is very reminiscent of Roanoke). And as far as trade, there's that port city in the Anderfels she mentioned. It's just that no one in Thedas has the means or the inclination to successfully move outside our map.
A bit late lol, but maybe there’s other continents but they’re not like “Asia, Africa, etc” and instead get given a different name however I think it’d be a bad idea since the dragon age franchise is supposed to focus on thedas only since there is more to be explored, maybe there should AT LEAST be a few codexs about the different continents which would be interesting
You’re not totally off considering Thedas is just a vaguely shaped Europe flipped upside down (albeit claimed to be the roughly the size of the Indian subcontinent)
If we ever go beyond Thedas is a DA game, I hope Josephine comes with or is involved in some way. Her banter talking about what could be beyond the maps is what first got me thinking of the subject.
Would be weird not to hear about the Executors in the next DA. I mean we are getting a book which is “basically” about them. Same goes for the last two comic books.
Since Solas became treat to the world again they could at least give us some form of help so they can make their own schemes.
I really hope the game doesn't die with Dragon Age 4, as I want to know what's beyond Thedas.
I like how Dragon age world is full of mystery.
I'd love a book or comic about a group of explorers setting out to discover the truth of what happened to that settlement in the east, or pushing into the depths of The Green, or anywhere beyond Thedas.
You’ll find the forbidden west, where new monster awaits, they seem to be mechanical by nature and there’s rumors about a red haired woman who’s able to tame these mechanical beasts 😁
We really don't have much info of the lands beyond Thedas, it seems... (but well, we don't even know much about the mysteries within Thedas, as well...) . Good video, anyways :)
The Executors might be the Parladians of the Boeric Sea, watching Thedas from afar. Notice they claim to be from 'across the sea' which presumably rules out anything across the Amaranthine Ocean.
My most earnest thought is what made what "we" know as Thedas central to historical lore. Really I guess that just devolves and spinters but one last bit before the deep end is the division of realms or territories of the Evanuris. At the very least that which survived the casting of the veil.
Hi this video is great! I just wanted to let you know that in the description you say Kokari but it’s actually spelled the Korcari wilds :)
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glad i found your videos. love sitting back and listening to you explain things and telling lil stories. dragon age is one of my top 5 favorite games. and yes DA2 was boring and repetitive!!! *same maps over and over* but the lore! and the stories and the mysteries1!!! always bring me back. i WAs disapointed in DAI for lack of answers and the answers i DID get left me ..idk feeling like "ugh, no maker? elves were dicks, dwarves are drug dealers, is there REALLY a black city?"
i want..no no NEEd answers!!!!!!
The myths about The Amaranth are so interesting to me, I really hope we can find out more in the future.
Returning to this video after Dragon Age The Veilguard info is coming out and reading the stuff about the Executors…..😮
2:48. To hear Fenris explain it, the Qunari were only interested in holding Par Vollen and Seheron, and they're doing that pretty well.
How was the Tevinter name of that jungle spelled? I know Latin, so assuming Tevinter's language follows Latin pronunciation rules, I could figure it out.
In general, Latin rarely has digraphs. (letters that combine to form a single sound i.e. ch, th, ph, etc.) There are some exceptions, like the ending -ae.
Latin letters are pronounced differently than in English. Here's a quick rundown:
o = long (sort of like "oh")
i = always short (so like the "i" in "it".)
v = w (pronounced like the "w" in "which")
a = the word "a"
c = hard pronunciation (pronounce it like you would a k. "c" as in "can".)
j = y
g = hard pronunciation ("g" as in "get")
e = short ("e" as in "let")
s = silent (like "snake")
u = ooh
t = hard t ("t" as in "touch")
ae = long i (like the "i" in "like")
That's as much as I can remember off the top of my head. R's are always rolled, but I'm not sure the Dev's would go that far. W's didn't exist in Latin, but that might not be a thing in Dragon Age. I also doubt the Dev's would pronounce V's like W's, as to the common gamer, that'd be confusing. Anyways, you should be able to figure it out fairly well with this.
What I think is West of Thedas is possibly a few theories.
Theory 1: West of Thedas is the Continent of Endiness from Legend of Dragoon. I mean it makes sense seeing how both games are dragon themed with a story of discovering the creation of the world, racism towards the non humans (Elves and Qunari of Thedas, Winglies and Gigantos of Endiness) and a colorful cast of characters.
Theory 2: West of Thedas is the Continent of Fodlan from Fire Emblem Three Houses. Well both games are about the corrupt of nobility, religion and the horrors of war. Fun fact, Allegra Clark, the Voice of Josephine also did the voices of both Dorothea and Shamir.
Theory 3: West of Thedas is the Witcher Continent. I mean both games are dark fantasies where the Elves and Dwarves are treated as second class citizens as they were forced out of their sacred kingdoms. Kingdoms and nobles war against one another for power while a powerful empire plots their demise, mages seek power and a land to rule for their own and an elite group of monster slayers are on the verge of collapsing.
Theory #4: West of Thedas is the land of Alagaesia from the Inheritance Cycle. Both are similar in every way, Elves, Dwarves, Dragons, another race of horned giants that have a war like culture (Urgals of Alagaesia and the Qunari of Thedas). A land where an evil empire wishes to rule the world and wipe out the dragons.
Theory #5: West of Thedas are the Governments of Ostania and Westalis from Spy X Family.
Theory #6: West of Thedas are the various nations of the Continent where Full Metal Alchemist takes place.
Theory #7: West of Thedas is the continent of Ivalice from Final Fantasy Tactics.
Theory #8: West of Thedas is the Kingdom of Albion and nation of Aurora from the Fable series.
Now lets figure out what's south of Thedas with a few theories
Theory #1: South of Thedas is the Lands of the Jak and Daxter series
Theory #2: South of Thedas is the continent of Nosgoth from Legacy of Kain.
Theory #3: South of Thedas is the Kingdom of Hyrule and its various nations from the Legend of Zelda series
Theory #4: South of Thedas is Kingdom of Heliopolis and the nations beyond from Sphinx and the Cursed Mummy.
Thedas has enough problems as it is. the last thing they need is another foreign power jumping into the mix😂
oh yeah! that's right! Hard in Hightown is getting a IRL release!
I bet the Voshai hate Theodosians have a grudge on them after this "cataclysm". Maybe the Darkspawn gone beyond? We can make so guesses
Maybe the deep roads (assuming they go far enough) eventually lead the darkspawn to the area? Imagine one day going to the land only to see every man woman and child turned to a darkspawn
The jungles to the North are probably near the Equator, while the southern tundra aproach the southern polar circle. That would make Thedas about the size of South America on the north-south axis, maybe a bit smaller.
It’s the Jade Empire.
Wingless dragons in the northern jungle makes me think of the Chinese Lung dragon types. That’s always been a hc of mine
I also headcanon that the veil ONLY affects Thedas, creating sort of a bubble. Which could explain how so little is known of the outside world and why outsiders are reluctant to interact with thedosians. Apparently the Voshai (presumably from the northwest outer lands across that sea) have no concept of elves? (All the elves are gone or were never there-there was a codex entry about it in DAI but I forget the details) And are super devoted and respectful of dwarves. Assuming elves (which are just spirits on the wrong side of the veil) are unique to Thedas it kind of makes sense, and could even loosely back up the Thedas-Veil bubble theory
I also dislike how Thedas centered the worldbuilding is otherwise. The magical shenanigans of a subcontinent claimed to be the size of India by Gaider (but based on geographical biomes should be like the size of South America) affects the entire planet and everyone is subject to what’s going there? Idk man not my jam. Thedas being a shitshow and the lands beyond having their own issues (but indirectly affected by what happens there sure) is much more realistic and interesting
excluding the darkspawn Thedas seems like a haven for most species protecting them from some unknown terror, it can't be the krogan on was hunted as a trophy maybe a branch of corrupted evanuris.
That Island that lacks any animal bigger than a bird and the last survivor commits suicide over leaving the cave. That's cosmic horror right there.
Reminds of the planet in Alien Covenant
I think I need to rant a bit about the "thedocentrism" of Dragon Age's worldbuilding. It seems like apparently all of the world-shattering events and phenomenon occur on just a small corner of the world? The rise of two humanoid magical races happened on Thedas. The Veil was created on Thedas. The Golden City was blackened and the Blights began on Thedas. It seems like the only important events that occured or were caused by peoples outside of Thedas was the foundation of the Qun and the rise of humanity. I feel like this is a very irritating facet of Bioware's writing for Dragon Age.
An interesting way they could take this is if these super high-impact events on Thedas don't even register on a world scale. It's possible other things are going on elsewhere that we're just not privy to. What caused the Qunari to need to come here, were they fleeing from some great war that was so bad it chased off the most powerful army in Thedas, an army that it took all the other nations of Thedas banding together to repel and that still hasn't been completely defeated? What stopped the Voshai from trading for so long and stopped anyone from coming back from there?
Sort of like Europe?
Id be fine with it if the veil only affected Thedas, creating a sorta bubble that could explain why the outside lands aren’t explored that much. There’s literally a fucked up magical barrier that tears the world apart and messes with anyone from outside trying to go in, or outsiders trying to move out
(Probably something that someone else has already thought about, heh:)
- "Qunari came from across the sea."
- Executors live across the sea.
- Some theorize that the Executors are elves that still serve Ghilan'nain.
- In the Dalish legends, Ghilan'nain is the creator of various monsters, like the sea creatures from DA4 art concept.
- In "The Horror of Hormak", we learn of weird-ass pools with lyrium and sea water that make monsters and have probably something to do with Ghilan'nain. (Or is it *confirmed* that they're connected to her?)
- What if the Executors, as the followers of Ghilan'nain, created the Kossith (later Qunari)? Maybe they experimented with dragon blood on the elves from their group, made the oxmen, and then the lovely creation rebelled or something and ran to the west?
Would be cool to see what's to the west of the Hunterhorn mountains and the Donnarks
Ok this one was great. I had forgotten about executors...tell now thanks
Okay, this is freaky, because I was reading the Beyond Thedas section in World of Thedas volume 2 like an hour ago.
Oh, and great video as always.
there’s that stall in the skyhold market that arrives after the executor missions (maybe it was there the whole time idk) but the stall guy mentioned higher or greater powers i think
I have a feeling the next game will be the last. Either way, I hope we get answers about the world Thedas is in.
The problem I have with games like this, the elder scrolls are just as guilty is that they have thousands and thousands of years pass with world ending events and only include a very small portion of the world. Like the blight or especially the fade rift seeming to affect at least to some extent all of thedas why has no one from the unknown areas come looking for answers to the random ass shit that happens. And in the example of TES with the oblivion gates, surely Mehrunes Dagon is looking to conquer all of nirn not just Tamriel so like what happened in akavir? We know a civilization exists surely some oblivion gates opened there and why would the Tsesi not send over at least some spies to be like "Yo what the fuck was that?"
i really hope we learn more about the dwarves in the west.
This video was awesome but now I am really looking forward to your next video.
Theory spawned from this:
Tamriel
Tamriel is what is west of Thedas
The Voshai were Dwemer, and the Cataclysm they speak of later might have been the disappearance of their people.
The Northern Jungles are actually what The Empire knows as Akavir, which is not impossible since the maps of Akavir are in canon mostly speculation.
Elder Scrolls was made by Bethesda, Dragon Age by Bioware. Though yes if Bioware was partnered with Bethesda this theory could make sense, unfortunately they aren't.
Though that doesn't disprove your theory, there is a lot of evidence that could prove that they could take place on the same planet as both have two moons, the size of said moons, etc. I would actually for this theory to be true.
We must content ourselves with fanfiction, then.
Luckily I know a few pretty damn decent ones ;)
Just dicovered your videos and I appreciate it
Am I the only one to expect an Antivan expedition that settles durably in Amaranth ? Antiva is based on Spain/Venice, they have the Felicia Armada and people like Isabella (her name always reminds me of queen Isabella) and Josephine, who shows her curiosity for this land. Both of them are quite influent and have influent and rich friends in common to help them to organize such an expedition.
Since the Vashi ONLY Wanted to trade for Lyrium AND they stopped AFTER the 3RD BLIGHT, ...... and ARE Dwarven,..... could they be a type of Sha-Brytol that are willing to Trade on the Surface....
.. we KNOW the Sha-Brytol had Water filled caverns FULL of vegetation AND light, could it hint that they're close to the Ocean (Possibly they COULD be guarding a Different Titan!?)
grey wardens got punked! dammit, they were the GOOD guys!!!! i miss Duncan :(
Isn't there some form of confirmation about another continent east of Thedas? I think there were attempts to settle it by people of Thedas but it's been too difficult.
And there's one to the north, which is where the humans came from
The one to the west is called Amaranth, it's mentioned in the video (If we ever see it, I wonder if it will be covered in Amaranth plants? hehe XD)
The one humans came from is only mentioned very obliquely as a reference to a myth (rather than the myth itself) so I don't think we have a name for it in the lore.
So ferelden is south of equator
Probably The jungles to the North are probably near the Equator, while the southern tundra aproach the southern polar circle. That would make Thedas about the size of South America on the north-south axis, maybe a bit smaller.
All I want is a dragon age version of Australians or Maoris haha
The Executors could Solas's "people". By Trespasser it's obvious he had some elven network of his own which was presumably absent from the base game, except when Leliana manages to track down one of their agents.
Jason but signed from "across the sea"?
Maybe there's another Elven Temple "across the sea", on some distant Island? I don't know.
It's too Far fretched and you know it.
@@Jason-oz7gv if I remember correctly the elves originated in Thedas all other races came here.
Solas's realm is in Amaranth.
Amaranth? Solas - Vivec?
I want to know more about The Voshai.
I know that I am wrong but what are the odds of Par Ladi being one of the last settlements of ancient elvhenan
The Voshai sound *kind* of like Ancient China.
Good video keep it up
Amaranth? Oh lord dont tell teslore
Amaranth is nz?
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Sense this was a bit of a rush job and just something to fill in while your other video is still being worked on you probably didn't realise that we know of other Qunari iron bull calls them the kossith bull also says the storys are not clear but the Qunari had to leave so there is at least one place out side of thedas that has qunari and they don't follow the qun does this mean they act like the Vashoth or tal-Vashoth how knows they could even be the executives as far as we know
shadow hell in her defense, she has mentioned those facts multiple times in past videos.
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I have a stinking feeling that the Architect went to the west, that's probably the cataclysm they were talking about.
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The Executors sound really cool. I'm hoping for a Viking culture to make an appearance in Dragon Age, though that may be my inner Norwegian talking.
Beyond thedas I think was Africa or Asia and thedas county try to colonized like real life events when europeans have colonies in both Africa , South America and asia