Why Fallout 4 Was So Divisive AMONG GAMERS
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- All Fallout titles, including the once-disastrous Fallout 76, are seeing increased player numbers thanks to Amazon's recent Fallout TV series. While newcomers discover what makes these titles so compelling, it's interesting for long-time players to look back on some of them, specifically Fallout 4.
Announced in June 2015 and launched just a few months later, Fallout 4 received extensive buzz as Bethesda's next big thing after The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim. It created headlines due to its settlement building, brand new setting and story, improved gunplay, revamped dialogue system and many other features. When it finally launched, it was a critical and commercial success.
However, opinions among players would quickly become divided. Join us as we look back on Fallout 4's history - the good, the bad and the ugly - and why it sowed so much discord among franchise fans.
to put it simple, what the fans wanted was another RPG, what they got is a shooter with very light RPG elements
exactly!
And a half ass shooter at that 💩 new vegas remake would be better
I just wanted a Fallout game.
@@windycity7042New Vegas sucked sweaty butt. I’m glad that we didn’t get another one, lol. Fallout 3 remake sounds way, way better to me. In FO3, the atmosphere was amazingly dark and truly immersive as the first time that the lone wanderer experiences the outside world… as do we! Then the people… raiders, enclave, outcasts, cannibals, slavers, the brotherhood, little lamplight, the pitt raiders, TROGS, aliens, omg, so many, many cool enemies and locations (rivet city and the pitt) VERUS in FONV, we got a bland and very orange world… shot in the head point blank and buried 3-6 ft into the ground yet we survived… wow. We are a courier of the Mojave yet we know nothing about the land… or who’s who… real immersive intro… then the enemies are Roman-esk soldiers wearing dresses under their 3 metal plates tied to their chest, lol, “powder puff gang,” blue lizards, blue super mutants, blue caza-bugs… the heck? I guess they used blue textured enemies to counteract all that orange, brown and yellow. NCR rangers, mr house and the strip quests are the only things that i actually enjoyed. You can call it an RPG, but it was a bad game overall. It doesn’t touch fallout 4 at all, but I’ll stop there. 😅
You shut the hell up! If current Bethesda touches New Vegas it'll be such a damn nightmare! Heck even current Obsidian lost a good chunk of the people who made New Vegas what it was.
4 fallout videos in a day and a half. No one else is farming the TV show this hard
😂 damn
I'm here for it though 😂
They all did for TLOU show
You sure about that? You know a lot of people I see
The show is mediocre at BEST lol
I’ll never forget when this channel made a video saying starfields city of neon is better than night city and ever since then it’s been hard for me to take y’all seriously
Lol ouch, that's rough for them.
oh, that is the hottest of takes, that is a yikes take. Red flag noted.
Oh my, what an INSANE controversial take, it truly left me scarred and made me forgot to feed my dishwasher
Imagine having different opinions on video games and then having a problem with their opinions.
Welcome to life, you will get a crash course later today
@@Thunor93their probably little kids
ANOTHER SETTLEMENT NEEDS YOUR HELP
I did like the power armor, weapons, crafting, customizations and upgrades though.
Base building should be a feature, not a borderline core component to keep NPCs quiet.
Those gripes aside, I did moderately enjoy it.
Just skip the museum in Concord.
In the time it took you to type that comment, about two more settlements need our help!
I just send Preston to the Castle after the Grey Garden quest.
just don't build up any Settlements....
if you aren't playing Survival you can totally get along without them. totally.
I personally loved to build them up, have a few that are robots-only, lots of places to rest up and Craft, store extra things...music playing, robots beepin and boopin around in the fields of crops....
All the workbench mechanics definitely went a long way towards making your items and player home really feel like *yours*
RPG elements in FO4 is like:
"Will you accept this fetch quest?"
A) Yes
B) Yes (happy)
C) Yes (angry)
D) Yes (sarcastic)
More like:
"Will you accept my quest"
A):Yes
B):Yes? (explain more)
C):yes (sarcastic)
D); No (but i will eventually comeback and say yes cause otherwise i cant continue/get rewards)
But in the core ,you are right, the so called RPG elements in were simple dogshit.
Even Deus Ex (2000) have better RPG elements loool
I completed Fallout 4 when it first released, I loved it, I ended up with somewhere like 12 sets of power armour and a huge base. I just bought it again after watching the series to play it on my Steam Deck. It runs so well on the deck too.
Fallout 3 was my very first Fallout experience and I have such fond memories of it. "What's up wastelanders? This is Three Dog ahhwwwooooo!" lol. Then it was New Vegas, which I also love dearly. Then 4 came out and while I enjoyed it back in 2015, it just didn't quite have the same magic as 3 and NV, for me at least. But I'm watching the show now and it's inspiring me to play one of the games again. Even tho I love 3 and NV, they could definitely use a fresh coat of paint, so I think I may actually dive back into Fallout 4 and give it another try
I feel the exact same way. Everything in Fallout 3/NV was very memorable and nostalgic. I was so hyped for Fallout 4 and even got the season pass. It was fun at first but I realized that quests were really linear and writing wasn't as good as previous games. Most quests only had 1 good choice whereas previous games really made you contemplate what is the best solution. To this day I don't remember anything from Fallout 4, it was so forgettable. I swear the people who really enjoyed Fallout 4 have never experienced the magic of the previous games.
Perfect encapsulation, THIS ^
Same went back to all three and fo4 isn’t bad, but I’ve definitely played nv & 3 way more😂
@@leokins2536
I really love FO4 when it is modded, but I never really talked to anyone who was excited by the original story. Oxhorn's videos were the closest I saw to it. Even then I think he said he used some mods.
The fact that people can’t remember just years ago why the game received so much backlash to me is baffling. To me, people are only playing this game because of the show. No one gave a rats behind about it until the show came along. Yes the game had its fans and nothing wrong with liking it. I don’t bash anyone for that, because I loved all of the Fallout games, but the 4th game had its issues and I can’t understand how the issues are overlooked because of some show. None of you cared about it just months ago, now this show premieres and the Fallout 4 hype goes nuts. Where were any of you during the release and post release? Nowhere to be found.
I do feel the dialogue choices suck, though. Did then, do now.
There's plenty of other things to enjoy, but, it's far more limiting than Fallout 3 or New Vegas...and dialogue with NPCs and all the choices you can make is kind of one of the biggest reasons to play a Fallout game.
There's better shooters out there.
They do cause they are the same awful system from Mass Effect, with all and the binary alignment system.
I loved FO4 from the start, and liked it just as much as 1, 2, 3, and NVegas. Having the option to build up outposts or full on towns as we saw fit seemed great as an option to expand in the gameplay and plot.
Because it focused into becoming a looter shooter instead of being an actual RPG.
Lol
do you not know what a looter shooter is? LOL i swear you people are just making shit up now just to hate it LOL
what? lmao you obviously don’t know what makes a looter shooter
@@c.h.n.j.5302 well... you shoot... collect stuff... make campment... collect collectibles... It is a looter shooter... but flashy number don't go up... a bad looter shooter?
Fallout 76 carries this to its logical extreme too. Anyone hoping Bethesda would make games that aren't bootleg Borderlands clones will be disappointed. Starfield even kept the same asinine "legendary loot" system.
Building robots to be settlers is super fun
I enjoyed fallout 4 from start to finish I don’t nitpick and complain about every little thing like a lot of gamers do sometimes I think games just want to find something to complain about rather than just playing the game and enjoying it
I mean. It’s a very mid game, its not nitpicks, its deserved criticism
These days, if you don't complain they just become lazy and release bare minimum.
Its a poor rpg
If it’s a bad game then it’s a bad game but this one was a really good game not better than 3 or NV but good in it’s on way it did have its issues I wont deny but I still enjoyed it
Lazy and bad writing all the way through.
2169 hours since launch. I absolutely love this game.
Bought Fallout 4 a few years ago and loved it. Restarted it again after finishing the TV show, and I still love it.
Fallout 4 will forever be one of the greatest gaming experiences I’ve had and hearing it’s coming back at 60 fps I’m itching to jump back in and tune in the radio
I would have gladly traded settlement building for more unique towns and characters like in new Vegas or fallout 3. The world seemed much more empty in that sense to me
4 was a shooter and it was a step backwards from New Vegas in terms of story and choices. It was also more cartoony compared to 3 or NV
Preston Garvey always having another quest for you is a MYTH. If you stop advancing the main storyline and just focus on Preston's quests he will eventually stop giving them to you. This extends to the Radio Freedom quests. You know who flies under the radar and DOES offer endless quests? Knight Rhys and Scribe Halen. Yet no one mentions them.
I do remember going from Witcher 3 to Fallout 4 and being incredibly disapointed. In witcher I could climb a hill at night and find distant camps by firelight. In F4 there was nothing loaded after like 200 meters, beside the most basic building models. And the character models, man.. But nothing was more irritating than what they did to leveling and dialogue systems. Quit after 25 hours.
Mods made Fallout 4 the game I still play today. Also the reason I don't play Fallout 76 at all no mods. You can't give the players the ability to play however they want and then just take it away or put it behind a pay wall.
Fallout 4 summarized is essentially a game that is as big as an ocean, yet as deep as a bucket of water.
And then someone will come and go "you can say that about every Bethesda game".
I remember when Bethesda used to make groundbreaking masterpieces. Entire TES for example.
"Like a puddle that is a mile wide, but an inch thick."
If you play it as a looter shooter with a focus on building your character it actually does have some depth.
@@panwu6602I wouldn’t say every BGS game. Just FO4 and Starfield. 😕
Fallout 4 has more content than any previous fallout before it. How the f*ck is that shallow
I played Fall Out 4 for the first time when all the expansions and graphics updates were available. So my experience was amazing. It’s one of my most beloved gaming experiences.
The settlement system which is 1. Bad and 2. Pointless and 3. In the way, and then there's the calls to save them, and then there's the minutemen. Maybe on their own they wouldn't be too bad, but together they are things I just do my best to ignore as they continue to nag me in my ear.
Both are optional.
Because its a looter shooter and not an RPG like Fallout 3...
It was the dialogue options for me and the side quests. That’s what I loved the most about fallout 3 is just exploring the wasteland and finding random places and quests
My first character I was the conventional wasteland hero, built up a ton of settlements, all armed to the teeth. Most places I would go to I would be able to call in an artillary bombardment and/or Minutemen back up. It really did/does feel like building an army from the ground up. I'm sure I will go back to that playthrough at some point.
But then survival mode dropped, and I felt like I was playing a completely different game. I started with a new character and ignored settlements completely. I never even helped/met Preston et al. yet. Tried to help them but kept getting my arse kicked so ended up leaving it. I struggled my way to Diamond City with Dogmeat and have stuck with him ever since as he is cute, helpful and knows how to STFU. My character is a high charisma and intelligence build, so I can no longer just tank my way through fights. This time around, every last enemy a huge threat- just like they would be irl.
Survival mode makes F4 feel a lot more like an actual RPG, with real moral choices emerging organically from the mechanics of the gameplay because of how hard it is to survive (especially at the start). Even though I miss the in-depth faction stuff of New Vegas, this game still has a lot of freedom to play how you want. I've loved every Fallout game since F3 for different reasons, and F4 was no exception.
Fallout 4 was training wheels for Fallout. Its was just simply too dumbed down.
if u tried survival i think thats not true kinda but i get what ur coming from it needed more customization
@@Talezi1 Yes, Fallout 4 no longer had elements of a tabletop game and was much more FPS.
@@Talezi1Survival = hotkey purified water and more inventory scrolling for food. Fun stuff right there
@@AustinC-ul3vqso you're purposely making it seem less than what it is for what reason?
I think survival really played to fo4's strengths. With the focus on combat, looting and the settlement system. I was really hoping bethesda would do it again with skyrim's "survival mode".
I personally don't play fo4 expecting new vegas. I just play it for survival and to have fun shooting stuff and seeing how far i get before i bin it.
Wasteland Workshop, Automatron, vault and contraptions are about as much of a DLC as the horse armor in oblivion. 😂
The voiced protagonist and limited dialog was rather annoying.
The lack of karma to change the reactions from npc's was another.
I love settlements building. I have 20 people at sunshine tidings Co op. Each with a melee weapon
I litteraly only played it for the settlement building and I miss it so much in Fallout 76 , having only one follower sucks ...
My Red Rocket by Sanctuary is a self contained tower block with 20 settlers and 90% happiness.
Challenging settlement because you reach the build limit super fast.
settlements was the weakest part of the game. go play minecraft or fortnite instead. keep that crap out of my fallout games
lol that was the absolute worst part of Fallout 4. As soon as they made me decorate a base I noped out. Don't waste my time with non-story elements. They were just copying fortnight as far as I can tell.
@@Matt-dk3wl too bad fallout 4 came out 2 years before fortnite................................................................................................
As an RPG I loved fallout 3. All npcs killable, karma system, and interesting choices that drastically change the experience of the game. I remember being 12 years old playing that game. Walk into moriarty’s saloon blow off me burkes head, sleep with a hooker, then steal all Moriarty’s shit 😂 man what a game fallout 3 was. Wish they could remaster that game on fallout 4’s engine.
Based Fallout 3 enjoyer.
Fallout is my favorite video game franchise but I still never finished FO4. Experienced a game breaking bug after a 60 hour play through 😢
Bethesda has to prove that F4 and F76 is the low point point of the series for me to jump aboard again. The fanbase wants an RPG.
I can't speak for anyone other than myself, but TWO very specific things are what kept me from enjoying Fallout 4 as much as the other Fallout (or even just Bethesda) games:
1) The Settlements. I actually think these are very cool as an optional gameplay addition, but interweaving them into the main story (and therefore FORCING players to create and maintain them) was a big NO for me. I hated having to constantly bounce back and defend or upgrade my settlement.
2) The black-and-white morality of Factions. In Skyrim, you can literally choose almost every Faction if you want. Outside of the two that fight in the main quest, you can do a playthrough with every faction. In Fallout 4, once you choose a Faction (sometimes even without realizing you 'chose' it), you are instantly a target for LITERALLY every other faction. And you can;t change it unless you go back on your save.
I honestly did not know this game was 'divisive' until the release of the show.
Todd Howard got a free pass for botching 2 Fallout launches, blatant LIES and constantly attacking modders and the user base. Few years later he gets rewarded by a successful merchselling show with his Last Name and self-insert character everywhere and millions to his name
@@ElectronicShredderonly launch that was botched was 76. Obsidian also had a very bugged launch with New Vegas
Me either. I just though it was the finest game I played that year. And it helped me move on from Skyrim lol. I've never heard of a GOY be divisive. Very strange.
@@ElectronicShredder lol who did Todd Howard attack
@@ElectronicShredder The only one that I'm aware of that had a bad launch was 76
Fallout 4 actually keeps crashing on PS5 on startup if you have the automation DLC. Gotta love Bugthesda.
This!!! 👆👆👆
Yes. It's happening on PS4 as well.
Hmm, not a problem on PC.
Yea I’m having the same issues
😭 does uninstalling the automation DLC fix the crash? I’m only able to stream it currently
My copy had a game breaking bug where I couldn't build the first teleporter and couldn't progress in the storyline.
This unlocked a deep anger for me… I’m pretty sure the same thing happened to me my original play through when the game came out and that’s why I don’t look back at the game too fondly
Oh boy i remember that one 😢
Same shit happened to me
common console peasant L
Close to launch on ps4, my game would not stop crashing in the MIT portion of the main quest where you're playing hot and cold. Real fun, just have to either stop playing or do something else entirely bc the game is a buggy mess.
The settlement system, plus the extremely repetitive "go to location, clear out baddies" quests that endlessly repeat during a gamers playthrough of FO4!
I’ve put hundreds and hundreds of hours into this game like new Vegas and fallout 3. The biggest issues are instead improving the features added by obsidian they outright removed everything. The features they added all have very major issues, settlement building is genuinely a good addition but is barely supported, your neither rewarded or penalised for building up your settlements, their needs are entirely pointless and meaningless. Having it be a necessity is a bizarre decision and there really is a lot less settlements or towns in comparison to fallout 3 and new Vegas, due to them wanting you to build your own which takes away from the game as your own settlements provide nothing but as aesthetics. Power armour is flesh out greatly and you really get the sense of weight and power behind them. They’re completely ruined by being given 30 minutes into the game and not skill capped (requiring training) like every other instalment. The world while huge and detailed lacks alot in terms of world building and story. It’s great to explore but it’s kind of empty exploring. The choices you make within the world are pretty minimal outside of the main story line which is easily the worst story within the series. There are a few genuinely good side quests but pale in comparison to fallout 3 and especially new Vegas. It really isn’t even an rpg anymore, just a first person shooter/melee. It’s genuinely a fun game and if we hadn’t had new Vegas which was a vastly superior but linear improvement from fallout 3, this wouldn’t feel as bad. Bethesda is in line to be one of the worst publishers at the moment, they continually go against what the community wants, creation club, fallout first. Both fallout and elder scrolls are single player games, no one wanted live service online only games but Bethesda did it so be able to profit off of one game for as long as possible rather than make spin offs in between their main games which are taking 10+ years to make. Fallout 4 is a really fun game but a terrible fallout game and Bethesda continually show they don’t care about the community.
I loved Fallout 4 and still do. Even without using mods is still fun to play. But damn, seeing it everywhere online nows just crazy😂
Visually Fallout4 still looks great almost 10 years later
umm if it came out in 2015 and its 2024 right now where did the extra 1 yr come from?
@@chaikagaz you missed the word almost
@@Themuffinman1820😂😂😂😂
@@chaikagaz 🤓
@@chaikagaz”erm actually”☝️🤓
It wasn’t. The only ones it divided were new Vegas fans who thought acting as if their game was the only true “fallout” game because some of the original developers worked on it, even though we’re most likely toddlers when the first 2 games released they just wanted to look cool with “bUt bEthEsdA bAd argument after they bought Skyrim for the 6th time. So once again instead of alienating a new fan base with shitty wanna be infighting we should be giving them reasons to stick around, but ofcourse fallout will go dark again because “new Vegas fans” just can’t keep there mouth shut and there emotions humbled
I’ve always felt vanilla 4 is a 6/10 but modded it’s a 10. Such an incredible modding community behind it especially now.
Can you fix the lacking RPG elements with mods? I don't think you can. 10 is pushing it IMO.
@@theboraxbandit9563 You can't but the settlement building is incredible. FO4 is just not an rpg.
@@BrettCaton there are settlement builders far superior to what f4 has.
It is 3
Fallout 4 ...
Join the Minute men and play Settlement Management: Wasteland Edition.
Unkillable characters ruined it for me. I missed the text across the top of the screen saying main quest is no longer possible.
Fo4 is an RPG from your Companion’s perspective, not the player’s. Instead of how you affect the World with your choices, dialogue in particular, it’s how you affect your Companions.
This upends the previous game’s “Karma”, and replaced it with Companion “Affinity”. Instead of your actions being Black and White, such as stealing always increasing “Bad Karma” no matter what, in Fo4 it now depends on who you’re traveling with. If you’re with MacCready, he’ll like it when you steal, and can grow his “Affinity” towards you. Other Companions dislike stealing, and will eventually refuse to travel with you.
It’s a great system. You can travel the world with someone who genuinely enjoys your style. No more “Bad Karma” notices cramping your style, funneling you into that realm.
I think the problem is that there’s 130,000 unique voiced lines of dialogue, most of it from Companions reacting to all manner of things, but Players were accustomed to being the only “voice”.
It felt like a watered down fall out game
Because by previous fallout standards, 4 had improved gameplay and world and reduced rpg elements, story, perks, etc. It left behind the most important parts of fallout for things were just expected from a game made 6 years later. The technical aspects were definitely better than the older fallouts, but they were not impressive compared to other games released at or before 2016
Exactly
Going back and playing new vegas last week I realised how much 4 lacked the rp features. Asides from speech checks I can barely remember skill checks where as new vegas has 10 in the first 20 minutes
That is the narrative but it's not true. Ultimately Fallout 4 systems are just as deep as Fallout 3's, they just look dumber.
Eh I agree when comparing it to FO1,2 and NV but people forget 3 had just as dumb and linear of a story and it’s mechanics weren’t really any deeper than 4s. 4 just consolidated the systems a bit that make it look more simplified on the surface
@@NicoBlackXIV never played 3, did play new vegas, and it sure as hell doesn't live up to a game that was made in 18 months
@Seanzoz painted the picture in a comedic yet true way as why Bethesda fell to a blunder. The algorithm needs to change and Rockstar, Larian studios, and FromSoftware seem to be the only ones who understand the assignment.
The only "controversial" thing about Fallout 4, is the New Vegas elitists. They would go to great lengths to explain how you are not a real gamer for enjoying Fallout 4.
I'll never understand why so many people try to make the settlement building aspect sound like it was the worst thing ever in a video game.
It takes all of two minutes to build like 3 structures and now all of the crafting materials from that settlement will be available to you back at your home base.
I adore Fallout 4 since day 1. That's one game I always have installed in all of my systems.
- Watered down RPG mechanics in an RPG series
- Dumbed down dialogue system that ruined most builds and it also just wouldn't say what you thought it would sometimes
- Voiced protagonist that didn't work with more evil builds
- Graphics did not look up to par for the time at the time
- Quests were repetitive (go here and clear out the bad guys x100)
- Enemies honestly felt the same unless they had power armor. Raiders, gunners, institute, even the children of Adam might as well have just been raiders since they functioned the same
- I still haven't forgiven the bugs since a bug prevented me from finishing Nuka World
- Story was about trying to find yet another family member which we had already seen before
Sounds like I hate it but I still play it to this day, just not like I played New Vegas. I've logged hundreds of hours into 4, it's a fun game but it's a flawed experience that honestly made me question how it was nominated for GOTY
I never liked the plot twist that your son was the older dude who tried to mentor me
How though it's been almost 10 years
@@nylasdaddy3197 autocorrect linked is liked. Sorry!
@@Harbyz lol I was just wondering haha
Then kill him. The institute be damned to lowest hell. Sure this chapter of BoS is vety ultimatist, no B.S. I do peeps would like Fallout Tactics Mid Westetn chapter more. They accept common folk, ghouls and super mutants in their ranks. And you have to EARN your stay and rank. Highest ranks grants you the badass horned power armor🤘🤘
@@odinulveson9101don’t forget the intelligent deathclaws.
Loved it. Looking forward to the revamp this month so I can play it again.
The unskippable base building ruined it. We need an option to automate it, without disabling trophies.
Unskippable?
@MalitiaHDOfficial You need to build the teleporter to get into the Institute.
Just don't go into the museum in Concord if you find Preston to be annoying. Base building is completely optional.
Ever hear of sim settlements 2? One of the best available mods that automates ur settlement builds and comes with a great lengthy fully voiced quest line which is just as good as anything in the base game. Highly recommended.
@@whasian1487 in the main story. You have to build a teleporter. No matter what faction you join.
After Starfield suddenly Fallout 4 doesn't seem so bad.
Personally I didn't like the main story. I spent more time building settlements and clearing locations then trying to find my son. In fact the first time I found my son I thought him being a old man was a joke on how much time I spent doing other things. I also found the main factions boring and shallow, with side factions like Gunners and Atom Cats being more interesting even if they were underdeveloped.
Fair summary at the start-it's a good game, but not a good fallout game
For me I played it directly after the Witcher 3 and realized how much of a better game The Witcher was in multiple ways. For example the Witcher managed to minimize loading screens allowing you to explore most of the map and even go inside buildings without the need for a loading screen. Fallout 4 hardly felt like a step up from 2008 Fallout 3 with the constant need for loading screens and minimal graphics update. Another gripe I had with Fallout 4 was the revamped dialogue choices that felt more limiting.
It's not really an RPG
How?
@johngonzalez8146 few meaningful choices, being forced to play as a fully voiced protagonist with a previously established backstory, the fact that it doesn't really matter what faction you side with as it barely has an effect on the ending, the over-use of radiant quests to pad-out the game and make it seem like there's more content than there actually is. In the whole game you barely make any decisions that actually matter, there's no stakes to anything, and the whole world feels like empty action movie set locations, that only exist to be a shooting gallery for the player to get a dopamine hit. FO4 isn't an RPG, it's a sandbox shooter
Here are the 2 fundamental things I would have changed to fix Fallout 4. Rest of my gripes would be fixed a byproduct of fixing these 2:
1. Use a silent protagonist instead of a voiced protagonist. With a silent protagonist, more of the voice acting budget could have gone towards more branching dialogue from NPCs.
2. The main story quest was so unimmersive because it only made sense if you were to rush the main story and ignore all other side quests. SPOILER: They should have required the player character to read the logs about when their wife/husband and was killed and their baby was taken from the cryochamber and make note that it happened many, many years before the main character was released. That way, there's no big rush. It's more of a mystery to figure out what happened all this time.
I really enjoyed Fallout 3 and NV, but I seem to remember quitting 4 about halfway through due to boredom.
I always thought the gunplay and crafting systems were the best among the fallouts but I could also tell within the first few hours that this games writing was _really_ bad. So bad that at first I thought I had put SPECIAL points in the wrong place or something.
I would say Far Harbor was pretty good, but the rest was meh at best, painful at worst.
Kid in a Fridge, for example, is garbage.
The whole building settlements, having to defend them; and the BoS being the MAIN faction again did it for me. I loved Fallout 3 exploring, and numerous side quests
I just thought the main story and choices fell flat. I enjoy the game, but it's like most things Bethesda put out, like Skyrim. A packed world, but ultimately dull main story.
I have one gripe with F4, that the main character is not part of Enclave. Bethesda missed a golden opportunity to reform or change the narrative
Fallout 4 is BEST with mods.
No argument their.
The plot was definitely mild in comparison to other fallouts. But I also look at it as a different style of game. Emphasis was placed on constructing your own towns and boy did I have fun with that.
I modded my game with modern weapons which meant that the NPCs now possess High precision and high-powered modern sniper rifles and they will snipe you from a different zip code.
I found a cloning machine and my towns were all hot girls wearing bikinis and building modern weaponry.
If you're looking for a very deep story line then play the older fallouts but if you just want to have fun and do crazy things Fallout 4 is awesome. I know nothing about modding the game on consoles so don't ask.
Fallout 4 base game was kinda eh. The ingame arsenal left a fair bit to be desired IN MY OPINION. But it definitely got better with the dlc. Lever action rifle, radium rifle, atoms judgement, decembers child, and the AK 47 platform (handmade rifle) made it way better.
It might not be your type of game
It’s definitely better with dlc. Mods also help a lot ngl
@@jroc2k The issue is now we wont get anything close to Fallout New Vegas.
@@BladeValant546holy crap. Even without any of the dlc new Vegas was perfect. The only thing was that like FO3 the game ended after the main questline. But not like FO3, they didn’t fix that with a dlc
@@BernieTheDevastator that is basically my concern. I think there is room for fallout 4 like games in the universe. Sadly the industry doesn't view things pragmatically or globally like that. It is basically if one thing sticks that is what they go withm
I never understood why fallout 4 copped the hate for “not being a fallout game”. The same sort of changes were implemented to simplify Skyrim, but nobody talks about it “not being an elder scrolls game”. Hardcore fans just sound like whiney babies when they complain about that sort of thing.
I love Fallout 4 since day one. It was the first game i put more than 1000 hours. It has the best companions, the settlement system its awesome and fun. One of the best RPGs ever made.
But it ain’t top 5 rpg game it’s more action than rpg 😂😂
It had so much limitations on Rpg systems. Its an action game
play fallout 3 and new vegas and then ill take your comment seriously lol
How is it an RPG?
@@chaikagazI played and finished both, including tales from two wastelands. Good games, but the i had more fun at the Commonwealth
13mins of air when only one word is needed, Preston
In my opinion it is because of 2 reasones:
1) it is an FPS and not an RPG
2) minecraft elements, many of us all hate that.
I love Fallout 4 especially the settlement building.
Bruh the settlement building was asss. It was like, "hey, Minecraft is a thing, let's make a half asked base builder just like it!"
@@LewdConnoisseurit wasn’t that bad, just doesn’t belong in a fallout game, it’s supposed to be an RPG
Agreed, building sage havens were a big part of what made the game great for me
Yeah I loved the settlement building and management
Because their favorite RUclipsrs and Reddit told them to be mad about nonexistent issues.
Remove voice acting, and replace the dialogue wheel with a box, and it’d be considered one of the greatest games of all time
New Vegas still the best Fallout game.
Last time I played this game on PC… my whole game save got corrupted…
Did you change mods mid game? People used to think that was safe. It isn't. I am not even confident that changing the load order is safe, and I have seen Vortex do it without asking.
Personally Fallout 4 is my favorite. I like that it is faster, more action based, had less RPG elements to it. I realize I'm in the minority, but its all preference.
Oh yeah you are very special let me bring you a medal, did you get it?
I love the game. I’ve got over 700 hours clocked
@@miembrosgibran I'll check for it in my mail tonight. Thank you so much!
For me I think I initially didn’t care for it because of two reasons. 1. I was playing on the Xbox one, so performance issues were a big turn off, I can handle bugs, glitches, but framerate dips pulled me out of the world (personal opinion)
2. It didn’t have the same vibe as 3 and new Vegas. Fallout 4 does have moments where I feel “at home” but far in between. When booting up fallout 3 or new Vegas for the first time, I felt “at home” it’s hard to explain.
But after a lot of time I came back to 4, with better hardware. And it’s much better than I remember
Fallout 4 is one of my all time favourite games. I was obsessed with building settlements and exploring every corner of the map to find resources to build them. Playing in survival mode is a great challenge too. One of the few games I've platinumed on more than one account.
Will be first time playing it properly when the update comes out, you recommend playing on survival for a first play-through??
@@myles5388 Definitely not! Even when you're familiar with everything and you know where all the best early items are it's still a tough challenge!
Survival mode was crazy! It was so tense 😂
I’m gonna do it, I’m raw dogging survival mode, a true fucking alpha male (am I able to turn it off mid play through if it’s to hard?😂)
@@myles5388 Lol good luck! If you struggle too much just start a new game and keep the survival run save to pick up again when you feel more confident.
Hello, just finished a Fallout 4 playthrough on hardcore and went through most of the narrative of the game and exploration, and despite my criticisms, it's easily one of the best experiences I've had in a game for a while. Here's my current opinion on the game. First, a fact. Key settlement features were bugged or just didn't work and were never fixed. There were many bugged level 4 merchants, which to me is probably the single most important settlements mechanic that could have been. It's what you build into settlements for. That or have other unique settlers who can give you more quests that you unlock as you develop your settlement(s), which can be treated by having the Sims Settlement mod if you'd like to see more into that. I think that would have been awesome if this was a feature already in the game. I ended up not deeply investing into creating my settlements since I was making bank without them through perks alone, and I miss none of the game otherwise aside from some forgettable radiant quests. It just felt like the current system lacked a "wow" and end objective. Otherwise, it's just a building simulator you can completely avoid aside from a small part of the story.
My next opinion. Fallout 4 is actually an amazing shooter and crafter game, but lacked in actual RPG elements. I felt the shoot and loot was very crisp. Getting to build my own weapons and armor felt extremely satisfying, making combos with my perks unique and had me actually strategizing each level earned.
By the time I was done with the game, I was level 150 and felt like I didn't really need to grind to get levels after since I had all the perks I had interest in. Idiot Savant will carry you through early game. It should be your first perk, period.
Time to watch the show now.
Despite its flaws, it’s still my favourite game of all time, especially in terms of atmosphere, characters, quirky humour and its sheer immersion. Perhaps I’m easily pleased, but in the past 9 years, no other RPG or action adventure has made quite the same impression on me.
Ooohhh you got me started. Something else that bug me. Trudy, the drug dealers AND the ...kid. I go resolve matters peacefully and what happens? The dealers proceed to park themselves right, RIGHT outside her door and for the ENTIRE rest of the game they DON'T move from there...ever. WHY? There is NO traffic, I AM Trudy's ONLY customer and I can make my OWN drugs, how you supposed to make caps there? Trudy... after things get resolved she goes behind that counter and NEVER moves again. Morning , noon, night ALWAYS there. The kid, oy the kid, HE just sits on the floor rocking back and forth for...EVER. You can't even try to place a cure in his inventory, they ALL get hostile. Past games they would show you SOME affects of your actions, a reason maybe to back and see but with a LOT in this game once you've done it , there's NO reason to go back. Just like the auto robots that were broken fixed them and NEVER had a reason to go back.
She should give the kid some jet and make him clean up the place.
@@grimdolo918 lol yeah that too. You can't pick up ONE piece, anybody?
You're not supposed to build a relationship with Trudy. She's a merchant -- drop in, trade your scrap and blood-soaked Raider gear for caps, get out.
Yeah, everything is just in the moment, without progression. It's a shame. It was one of the bosts of bethesda that they could use the ai to make sophisticated npc behaviour, but that seems to have been forgotten.
Sim Settlements 2 does a better job - cleaning up concord, for example.
@@BrettCaton Unfortunately I've only been able to play the first chapter but LOVE Simsettlements 2. THAT'S the way they should have been and it's a game unto itself.
Bugthesda told everyone with a season pass to wipe their butt with it when introducing Creation Club. Every time they break the game to make a couple bucks with Creation Club, they tell the whole player-base to get screwed. Fire Todd Howard for a start.
A lot of good games were shat on during that time simply because we had so many good games coming out, the bar was really high. In hindsight, it really puts things into perspective in terms of just how good we had things back then, compared to the shit releasing these days. Fallout 4 is a masterpiece in today's AAA landscape bugs and all.
I wise man said "Fallout 4 is my favorite Call of Duty game"
I want a “ best tips for very hard mode” in Fallout 4 please
the "brilliance" of todd howard ? careful buddy, you have chess club member on your lip there
I still love Fallout 4. Especially the voiced protagonist. Felt much more immersive imo. It feels too disembodied otherwise.
It misses out on the silly dialogue and alot of choices though which is what fallout is all about
Having a voiced protagonist limits the game. Devs will write much less dialog options.
Talk about a bad take 😆
I think I more or so enjoyed the mechanics that fallout 4 introduced. I enjoy settlement building because I’ve always felt that Bethesda game worlds are too static. They don’t change regardless of the the impact your player choices supposedly have. My one biggest gripe with New Vegas was that despite clearing a lot of strategic locations, they would never become occupied by one of the major factions. Nipton. The prison. Why can’t they be rebuilt. I like to see an actual positive change in the environment when I do something. Which is why I enjoy the settlement building despite it being kind of pointless. If Bethesda can find a way to make it more meaningful….and perhaps make the locations more interactive, I think it’s a great addition to future games. I like customization too. I think there could have been more dynamic endings available. Like the railroad who I personally didn’t love but don’t understand why they basically always have to die unless you side with them. Overall, I have hundreds of hours in fallout 4 and I’m about to add way more to that number. Here’s hoping fallout 5 comes sooner than we think and stacks up with a game like New Vegas.
I would argue that 83% positive rating in Steam is not very divisive, and most of the negative reviews have 300-600 hours on them.
Its the old school fans who got divided, not the players
I never understood the outrage for the creation club, like no one is forcing you to buy stuff even if it's overpriced. You could just mod similar stuff in if you wanted to.
So in other words it serves no purpose.
@@stevenbishop1782it does to PlayStation players and the people who want them.
@@stevenbishop1782 Bethesda feeding modders and the player base get mad at them for it
"I never understood the outrage for the creation club"
Well, the Season pass advertised that one payment would cover all DLC.
Then they put the DLC in the creation club and used fake currency to give themselves immunity to consumer protections, then inserted that marketplace into the main screen so you had to hack the game to disable it.
CC stuff is barely used at all. To give you an idea, modders will make mods for popular elements. The assorted DLC like far harbor was quickly catered for. But there's only a handful of mods for the CC stuff.
And some of it is buggy. I think it's the tesla rifle one that I am thinking of, that was terribly broken, and never fixed. I paid for it on special, then ended up disabling it.
Most CC stuff is never used by the player base, but it's all Bethesda focuses on. The major patch recently still hasn't fixed some bugs that were reported on the first day. The game devs say their focus is on the CC stuff, because the few Whales make them so much money in skyrim that almost all other players can be alienated and they will still make a profit.
@BrettCaton Nah. I'm all for Bethesds taking talented modders and giving them the opportunity to make money. If it's good I'll buy it. Pretty simple
You should mention that even before the TV show, FO4 was rated "Very Positive" on Steam with 87% positive reviews.
So as vocal as the complainers have been, the game has beem very well received by the majority of players.
Fallout 4 was amazing yes it lacked what others had but also had what previous fallout games didn't. Some people are just petty
Welcome to the Fallout fandom. The biggest collection of manchildren on planet Earth.
@@StoneAgeWarfareno one hates Fallout more than Fallout fans
if you don't treat this game as an RPG like its predecessors and more like action looter shooter its not that bad.
I can give you the short answer: gamers complain when games aren’t exactly like the ones they loved before, but they also complain if it’s too similar.
Even shorter answer. "Gamers" now are just whiny, ungrateful bitches
Is that why RE:4 remake flopped? 😂❤
Brain rot take
@@theohadz7118it’s true, though. Look at the Assassin’s Creed community. They got bored of the same gameplay after Syndicate and wanted something new, and then they got something new and hated it. But, it doesn’t apply here. Fallout 4 has things that are better and worse than the other games
outside of everything Fallout 4 may or may not have done right, we can all agree survival mode is the best version of a hardcore mode in pretty much any open world title.
If people think the story is short, they're playing it wrong. I have 380 hours into this game and still haven't finished the main story. I've been saving it for last.