Why Fallout 4 Was So Divisive AMONG GAMERS
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- Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
- All Fallout titles, including the once-disastrous Fallout 76, are seeing increased player numbers thanks to Amazon's recent Fallout TV series. While newcomers discover what makes these titles so compelling, it's interesting for long-time players to look back on some of them, specifically Fallout 4.
Announced in June 2015 and launched just a few months later, Fallout 4 received extensive buzz as Bethesda's next big thing after The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim. It created headlines due to its settlement building, brand new setting and story, improved gunplay, revamped dialogue system and many other features. When it finally launched, it was a critical and commercial success.
However, opinions among players would quickly become divided. Join us as we look back on Fallout 4's history - the good, the bad and the ugly - and why it sowed so much discord among franchise fans.
to put it simple, what the fans wanted was another RPG, what they got is a shooter with very light RPG elements
exactly!
And a half ass shooter at that 💩 new vegas remake would be better
I just wanted a Fallout game.
@@windycity7042New Vegas sucked sweaty butt. I’m glad that we didn’t get another one, lol. Fallout 3 remake sounds way, way better to me. In FO3, the atmosphere was amazingly dark and truly immersive as the first time that the lone wanderer experiences the outside world… as do we! Then the people… raiders, enclave, outcasts, cannibals, slavers, the brotherhood, little lamplight, the pitt raiders, TROGS, aliens, omg, so many, many cool enemies and locations (rivet city and the pitt) VERUS in FONV, we got a bland and very orange world… shot in the head point blank and buried 3-6 ft into the ground yet we survived… wow. We are a courier of the Mojave yet we know nothing about the land… or who’s who… real immersive intro… then the enemies are Roman-esk soldiers wearing dresses under their 3 metal plates tied to their chest, lol, “powder puff gang,” blue lizards, blue super mutants, blue caza-bugs… the heck? I guess they used blue textured enemies to counteract all that orange, brown and yellow. NCR rangers, mr house and the strip quests are the only things that i actually enjoyed. You can call it an RPG, but it was a bad game overall. It doesn’t touch fallout 4 at all, but I’ll stop there. 😅
You shut the hell up! If current Bethesda touches New Vegas it'll be such a damn nightmare! Heck even current Obsidian lost a good chunk of the people who made New Vegas what it was.
4 fallout videos in a day and a half. No one else is farming the TV show this hard
😂 damn
I'm here for it though 😂
They all did for TLOU show
You sure about that? You know a lot of people I see
The show is mediocre at BEST lol
RPG elements in FO4 is like:
"Will you accept this fetch quest?"
A) Yes
B) Yes (happy)
C) Yes (angry)
D) Yes (sarcastic)
More like:
"Will you accept my quest"
A):Yes
B):Yes? (explain more)
C):yes (sarcastic)
D); No (but i will eventually comeback and say yes cause otherwise i cant continue/get rewards)
But in the core ,you are right, the so called RPG elements in were simple dogshit.
Even Deus Ex (2000) have better RPG elements loool
I’ll never forget when this channel made a video saying starfields city of neon is better than night city and ever since then it’s been hard for me to take y’all seriously
Lol ouch, that's rough for them.
oh, that is the hottest of takes, that is a yikes take. Red flag noted.
Oh my, what an INSANE controversial take, it truly left me scarred and made me forgot to feed my dishwasher
Imagine having different opinions on video games and then having a problem with their opinions.
Welcome to life, you will get a crash course later today
@@Thunor93their probably little kids
ANOTHER SETTLEMENT NEEDS YOUR HELP
I did like the power armor, weapons, crafting, customizations and upgrades though.
Base building should be a feature, not a borderline core component to keep NPCs quiet.
Those gripes aside, I did moderately enjoy it.
Just skip the museum in Concord.
In the time it took you to type that comment, about two more settlements need our help!
I just send Preston to the Castle after the Grey Garden quest.
just don't build up any Settlements....
if you aren't playing Survival you can totally get along without them. totally.
I personally loved to build them up, have a few that are robots-only, lots of places to rest up and Craft, store extra things...music playing, robots beepin and boopin around in the fields of crops....
All the workbench mechanics definitely went a long way towards making your items and player home really feel like *yours*
2169 hours since launch. I absolutely love this game.
Man that’s 90 whole days! Respect 🫡
I'm at 7753 and counting.
I can't claim that much but I have played it alot
Why 😆
Damn, and I thought my 471 hours was a lot lol
I completed Fallout 4 when it first released, I loved it, I ended up with somewhere like 12 sets of power armour and a huge base. I just bought it again after watching the series to play it on my Steam Deck. It runs so well on the deck too.
I just got my Steam Deck OLED in the mail and am watching the show right now too. Also coincidentally considering picking Fallout 4 back up to try on the SD too lol. What kind of settings are you running and what fps are you getting? I heard this game's physics start to get wonky over 60 fps. I wouldn't know cause I've only ever played the game back on Xbox One at 30 fps
@@CargoShorts7 I'm on ultra settings, with some options set to high, I run cryoutilities on deck and have vram set to 4gb, so far its running smoothly at well over 30fps, often at 60fps.
i play wit mods on pc it already had 4k 240 fps available. the next gen update adds nothing for pc players except ultra wide monitor support and the enclave quest. feel so bad for console players that were stuck on the ps4 for 9 yrs without 60 fps lmao
I completed it, but didn't explore. I just got my deck oled and bought it for 9 bucks for the complete game. I want to go back and explore all the map now.
@@chaikagaz No, it adds something for PC. It breaks all of my mods for free, lol
Fallout 3 was my very first Fallout experience and I have such fond memories of it. "What's up wastelanders? This is Three Dog ahhwwwooooo!" lol. Then it was New Vegas, which I also love dearly. Then 4 came out and while I enjoyed it back in 2015, it just didn't quite have the same magic as 3 and NV, for me at least. But I'm watching the show now and it's inspiring me to play one of the games again. Even tho I love 3 and NV, they could definitely use a fresh coat of paint, so I think I may actually dive back into Fallout 4 and give it another try
I feel the exact same way. Everything in Fallout 3/NV was very memorable and nostalgic. I was so hyped for Fallout 4 and even got the season pass. It was fun at first but I realized that quests were really linear and writing wasn't as good as previous games. Most quests only had 1 good choice whereas previous games really made you contemplate what is the best solution. To this day I don't remember anything from Fallout 4, it was so forgettable. I swear the people who really enjoyed Fallout 4 have never experienced the magic of the previous games.
Perfect encapsulation, THIS ^
Same went back to all three and fo4 isn’t bad, but I’ve definitely played nv & 3 way more😂
@@leokins2536
I really love FO4 when it is modded, but I never really talked to anyone who was excited by the original story. Oxhorn's videos were the closest I saw to it. Even then I think he said he used some mods.
The fact that people can’t remember just years ago why the game received so much backlash to me is baffling. To me, people are only playing this game because of the show. No one gave a rats behind about it until the show came along. Yes the game had its fans and nothing wrong with liking it. I don’t bash anyone for that, because I loved all of the Fallout games, but the 4th game had its issues and I can’t understand how the issues are overlooked because of some show. None of you cared about it just months ago, now this show premieres and the Fallout 4 hype goes nuts. Where were any of you during the release and post release? Nowhere to be found.
The overwhelming narrative you'll hear about this game if you talk to enough people is that it's a great game but not a great Fallout game. Which I tend to agree with, but I think it deserves more credit as a Fallout experience.
What? It's a fallout game through and through. It's called evolution
This. People expect a narrative RPG with choices. FO4 was the safest RPG possible with no real choices and stats (outside of combat) reduces to even more meaningless nothing (Far Harbor did try to correct this). The murdering of the RPG elements of the game and turning it more and more into a pure action game is what people hate.
It featured the most limiting player backstory (confirmed by social video testing) - as well as the voiced protagonist - coupled with the failsafe minutemen faction .. Fallout 4 experimented with a lot of story elements that fell flat with players.
But thankfully it being the most advanced in terms of world building and combat saves it from the shelves as players can easily get lost in the gameplay loop.
@@LazyEyePoliticsevolution? It literally went away from the rpg elements
One can argue it being a great game lol
Because it focused into becoming a looter shooter instead of being an actual RPG.
Lol
do you not know what a looter shooter is? LOL i swear you people are just making shit up now just to hate it LOL
what? lmao you obviously don’t know what makes a looter shooter
@@c.h.n.j.5302 well... you shoot... collect stuff... make campment... collect collectibles... It is a looter shooter... but flashy number don't go up... a bad looter shooter?
Fallout 76 carries this to its logical extreme too. Anyone hoping Bethesda would make games that aren't bootleg Borderlands clones will be disappointed. Starfield even kept the same asinine "legendary loot" system.
Building robots to be settlers is super fun
No it's not and it's time to accept it.
@@CH3353N1NJ45Nah, it was fun.
Speak for yourself @@CH3353N1NJ45
Barely an inconvenience
I like fallout 4 and still play it daily.
I do feel the dialogue choices suck, though. Did then, do now.
There's plenty of other things to enjoy, but, it's far more limiting than Fallout 3 or New Vegas...and dialogue with NPCs and all the choices you can make is kind of one of the biggest reasons to play a Fallout game.
There's better shooters out there.
They do cause they are the same awful system from Mass Effect, with all and the binary alignment system.
Fallout 4 will forever be one of the greatest gaming experiences I’ve had and hearing it’s coming back at 60 fps I’m itching to jump back in and tune in the radio
Lol. No
@@rolandwright3502yes. And what makes you think you’re some sort of authority on the subject
@@rolandwright3502come on bro this dude was playing on PS4 lmaooo
@@razz0404game is mid asf. If this is one of the greatest gaming experiences you’ve had you haven’t played many games.
@@colbysmith3073 yall look like clowns talking shit on a game you clearly are checking up on still in 2024 lmao I’ve played all types of games and know what good is and just because fallout 4 story is sloppy doesn’t mean the gameplay isn’t the best in the series and the mods alone make it one of the greatest if not the greatest experience next to Skyrim just cause your a loser projecting on the internet doesn’t mean I’m gonna bend my opinion, and to the other clown that said I was playing on ps4 I mean yeah that’s pretty obvious for console only fallout fans this will be the first time we can play the game at a 60 fps frame rate and it’s exciting. I’ll never understand people going out there way to call something mid or talk shit when they clearly went out they way just to do so why are you checking up on fallout 4 videos or content if the shit is so mid? Clown energy
I enjoyed fallout 4 from start to finish I don’t nitpick and complain about every little thing like a lot of gamers do sometimes I think games just want to find something to complain about rather than just playing the game and enjoying it
I mean. It’s a very mid game, its not nitpicks, its deserved criticism
These days, if you don't complain they just become lazy and release bare minimum.
Its a poor rpg
If it’s a bad game then it’s a bad game but this one was a really good game not better than 3 or NV but good in it’s on way it did have its issues I wont deny but I still enjoyed it
Lazy and bad writing all the way through.
I loved FO4 from the start, and liked it just as much as 1, 2, 3, and NVegas. Having the option to build up outposts or full on towns as we saw fit seemed great as an option to expand in the gameplay and plot.
Bought Fallout 4 a few years ago and loved it. Restarted it again after finishing the TV show, and I still love it.
Preston Garvey always having another quest for you is a MYTH. If you stop advancing the main storyline and just focus on Preston's quests he will eventually stop giving them to you. This extends to the Radio Freedom quests. You know who flies under the radar and DOES offer endless quests? Knight Rhys and Scribe Halen. Yet no one mentions them.
It's not a myth it was a bug that was fixed way back in the past
Bc they weren't annoying goody two shoes
I have a mod that greatly reduces the number of mm quests. Plus big defense actually factors in now (eg if you have 200 defense, not too much will screw with said settlement)
Rhys and Halens quest are also only endless if you dont advance the story, if you join the boS you get other much more interesting quest when you advance the main story.
The reason why everyone is so Pissed about Prestion is because he is much harder to ignore cause 1. he is a companion to take with . 2. he hangs around your main base most of the time. and 3. he even gives you these quest if you just pass him by (thought that last one might be fixed by now but at least back when it came out if was like that.) .so in conclusion he is ALOT worse then Rhys and Halen.
@@mermidion7552 I'm currently level 107 mainly having done Rhys and Halen quests and I have yet to go back to Virgil with the decoded courser chip. Yet Preston barely acknowledges that I exist. At what point in the story have you found that Rhys and Halen stop giving you quests? Captain Kells gave me three squire training missions before he stopped. He keeps saying I should take another squire but then walks off.
As for Preston, I just move to the Red Rocket where you get Dogmeat so no Preston or Marcy agro for me! :) That and I tend to play Lone Wanderer so I don't shoot companions or they shoot me. :)
Fallout 4 summarized is essentially a game that is as big as an ocean, yet as deep as a bucket of water.
And then someone will come and go "you can say that about every Bethesda game".
I remember when Bethesda used to make groundbreaking masterpieces. Entire TES for example.
"Like a puddle that is a mile wide, but an inch thick."
If you play it as a looter shooter with a focus on building your character it actually does have some depth.
@@panwu6602I wouldn’t say every BGS game. Just FO4 and Starfield. 😕
Fallout 4 has more content than any previous fallout before it. How the f*ck is that shallow
It was the dialogue options for me and the side quests. That’s what I loved the most about fallout 3 is just exploring the wasteland and finding random places and quests
I played Fall Out 4 for the first time when all the expansions and graphics updates were available. So my experience was amazing. It’s one of my most beloved gaming experiences.
The settlement system which is 1. Bad and 2. Pointless and 3. In the way, and then there's the calls to save them, and then there's the minutemen. Maybe on their own they wouldn't be too bad, but together they are things I just do my best to ignore as they continue to nag me in my ear.
Both are optional.
Its so damn difficult to fairly rate and is so heavily dependant on what metrics you judge it by.
- Base unmodded game to say it is beyond flawed is an understatement.
- Modded game its an amazing game with a very high ceiling and can literally have you rack up insane playtime without getting bored.
@Weird-Will Im not making it complicated but merely pointing out it is a very much different experience depending on if you play modded or unmodded, is that a straight up lie?
@dutchdude1985 i don't know, in my personal issue, it has the same issues as skyrim. Lackluster storyline, but amazing side quests. That said, I think even base game Fallout is good, because nobody plays these games for the main quest - they play them for the detail, the wild deep side quests that can be found.
Fallout 4 than isn't a bad Fallout game, and my opinion is a great fallout game with some poor decisions(voiced and directly forced protagonist, workshop dlcs, etc.)
I do agree that it's better with mods, but that's almost every single game in existence. Besides, if we're gonna bash a Fallout game, it should be the one that still doesn't feel like Fallout - Fallout 76
@Weird-Will I absolutely love Fallout 4 and for me it is a personal all-time favorite but that does not mean i will not acknowledge the base game as it was once launched has many glaring flaws in it. I can love something yet speak objective or impartial about its qualities or inherent flaws.
@@dinoguy6177 I am in no means bashing Fallout 4 this is not my intent at all, for me i absolutely adore the game but having said that i am not blind to its flaws. Yes ofcourse many games can be improved with modding but Fallout 4 does feel like one more "in need" of those quality of life changes.
As for Skyrim i will simply have to take your word for it as i have not played it, same with Fallout 76 with all the drama surrounding its launch i simply did not bother. I understand by now it is an actual worthwhile title and nowhere near its release state but i just never got started with it.
You are because the game even with mods is still meh. The games main story doesn't hold well for anyone to hang around the game for long. Everyone is not interesting. Side quests are dull. Fallout 4 felt like a mediocre game. @@dutchdude1985
I do remember going from Witcher 3 to Fallout 4 and being incredibly disapointed. In witcher I could climb a hill at night and find distant camps by firelight. In F4 there was nothing loaded after like 200 meters, beside the most basic building models. And the character models, man.. But nothing was more irritating than what they did to leveling and dialogue systems. Quit after 25 hours.
Fallout 4 actually keeps crashing on PS5 on startup if you have the automation DLC. Gotta love Bugthesda.
This!!! 👆👆👆
Yes. It's happening on PS4 as well.
Hmm, not a problem on PC.
Yea I’m having the same issues
😭 does uninstalling the automation DLC fix the crash? I’m only able to stream it currently
I would have gladly traded settlement building for more unique towns and characters like in new Vegas or fallout 3. The world seemed much more empty in that sense to me
4 was a shooter and it was a step backwards from New Vegas in terms of story and choices. It was also more cartoony compared to 3 or NV
Mods made Fallout 4 the game I still play today. Also the reason I don't play Fallout 76 at all no mods. You can't give the players the ability to play however they want and then just take it away or put it behind a pay wall.
Fallout 76 is nothing but repairing weapons/armor/guns, if they allowed mods so things didn't degrade I'd play it, but I'm not grinding for hours just to repair equipment.
@@drunkhusband6257you probally hate the old games i can feel it lol, just kidding, in 76 i didnt care that much because high level players already fill me up with high level shit, love that lol😂
@@supermaster1325 Old games didn't have you grinding for hours just to find enough to repair basic equipment. 76 was a cash grab, utter trash game.
@@supermaster1325 Oh yeah, the fun part of 76 is when other players skips 90% of the game for you. Yes, how fun to "not care".
It wasn’t. The only ones it divided were new Vegas fans who thought acting as if their game was the only true “fallout” game because some of the original developers worked on it, even though we’re most likely toddlers when the first 2 games released they just wanted to look cool with “bUt bEthEsdA bAd argument after they bought Skyrim for the 6th time. So once again instead of alienating a new fan base with shitty wanna be infighting we should be giving them reasons to stick around, but ofcourse fallout will go dark again because “new Vegas fans” just can’t keep there mouth shut and there emotions humbled
Wasteland Workshop, Automatron, vault and contraptions are about as much of a DLC as the horse armor in oblivion. 😂
I'll never understand why so many people try to make the settlement building aspect sound like it was the worst thing ever in a video game.
It takes all of two minutes to build like 3 structures and now all of the crafting materials from that settlement will be available to you back at your home base.
I love settlements building. I have 20 people at sunshine tidings Co op. Each with a melee weapon
I litteraly only played it for the settlement building and I miss it so much in Fallout 76 , having only one follower sucks ...
My Red Rocket by Sanctuary is a self contained tower block with 20 settlers and 90% happiness.
Challenging settlement because you reach the build limit super fast.
settlements was the weakest part of the game. go play minecraft or fortnite instead. keep that crap out of my fallout games
lol that was the absolute worst part of Fallout 4. As soon as they made me decorate a base I noped out. Don't waste my time with non-story elements. They were just copying fortnight as far as I can tell.
@@Matt-dk3wl too bad fallout 4 came out 2 years before fortnite................................................................................................
As an RPG I loved fallout 3. All npcs killable, karma system, and interesting choices that drastically change the experience of the game. I remember being 12 years old playing that game. Walk into moriarty’s saloon blow off me burkes head, sleep with a hooker, then steal all Moriarty’s shit 😂 man what a game fallout 3 was. Wish they could remaster that game on fallout 4’s engine.
Based Fallout 3 enjoyer.
It’s only divisive among hardcore Fallout fans. For millions of gamers who didn’t game on PC in the 90s it was their first and only exposure to the franchise. It was BGS who brought it into the mainstream and made it accessible to the masses, and this upset a lot of old school players who didn’t like the direction it was going in. The truth is that even FO2, the brainchild of a very different core team, already started taking it in a bit different direction, shifting the tone to be much goofier. FO3 went back to being darker, then NV leaned sillier again; Lots of tonal whiplashes in this series. Many claim they know what the *real* Fallout is, but part of the fun is how different they all are and as a lifelong fan I love each of them in their own ways.
Man child fan boy nerds
Fo4 my my intro to fallout, and I hated it. Felt like a rushed game with horrendous gunplay. The building settlements was the only thing I enjoyed.
@@benguyton7933 If you thought the gunplay was horrendous in FO4, just wait until you try the previous games.
What I didn't like about Fallout 4 was the writing, story and quests were subpar compared to previous games. Most quests in FO4 only had 1 ending choice while previous games had many and really made you contemplate what the best choice is.
@benguyton7933 If you don't like the gunplay in 4, fallout isn't the franchise for you
It gets much worse the more back you go
Fo4 is an RPG from your Companion’s perspective, not the player’s. Instead of how you affect the World with your choices, dialogue in particular, it’s how you affect your Companions.
This upends the previous game’s “Karma”, and replaced it with Companion “Affinity”. Instead of your actions being Black and White, such as stealing always increasing “Bad Karma” no matter what, in Fo4 it now depends on who you’re traveling with. If you’re with MacCready, he’ll like it when you steal, and can grow his “Affinity” towards you. Other Companions dislike stealing, and will eventually refuse to travel with you.
It’s a great system. You can travel the world with someone who genuinely enjoys your style. No more “Bad Karma” notices cramping your style, funneling you into that realm.
I think the problem is that there’s 130,000 unique voiced lines of dialogue, most of it from Companions reacting to all manner of things, but Players were accustomed to being the only “voice”.
The voiced protagonist and limited dialog was rather annoying.
The lack of karma to change the reactions from npc's was another.
My copy had a game breaking bug where I couldn't build the first teleporter and couldn't progress in the storyline.
This unlocked a deep anger for me… I’m pretty sure the same thing happened to me my original play through when the game came out and that’s why I don’t look back at the game too fondly
Oh boy i remember that one 😢
Same shit happened to me
common console peasant L
Close to launch on ps4, my game would not stop crashing in the MIT portion of the main quest where you're playing hot and cold. Real fun, just have to either stop playing or do something else entirely bc the game is a buggy mess.
Fallout 4 was training wheels for Fallout. Its was just simply too dumbed down.
if u tried survival i think thats not true kinda but i get what ur coming from it needed more customization
@@Talezi1 Yes, Fallout 4 no longer had elements of a tabletop game and was much more FPS.
@@Talezi1Survival = hotkey purified water and more inventory scrolling for food. Fun stuff right there
@@AustinC-ul3vqso you're purposely making it seem less than what it is for what reason?
I think survival really played to fo4's strengths. With the focus on combat, looting and the settlement system. I was really hoping bethesda would do it again with skyrim's "survival mode".
I personally don't play fo4 expecting new vegas. I just play it for survival and to have fun shooting stuff and seeing how far i get before i bin it.
The settlement system, plus the extremely repetitive "go to location, clear out baddies" quests that endlessly repeat during a gamers playthrough of FO4!
But I like clearing baddies
The settlement system was one of my favorite things about the game
Kinda agree it took away from more story / randomness in the wasteland
Those were things that can mostly be ingnored, and alot of people, including myself, actually enjoyed. New Vegas is my favorite but FO4 is good in my opinion. The only thing I'm not a fan of is the way dialog options were handled. But it wasn't a deal breaker, and I spent the most time in 4 sand-boxing my settlements.
Yeah more covenant like settlements with conspiracies and such vs settlement and fetch quests. I still love the game though and am of course going through it again after the TV series@@kyelhogwarts8175
I wise man said "Fallout 4 is my favorite Call of Duty game"
My first character I was the conventional wasteland hero, built up a ton of settlements, all armed to the teeth. Most places I would go to I would be able to call in an artillary bombardment and/or Minutemen back up. It really did/does feel like building an army from the ground up. I'm sure I will go back to that playthrough at some point.
But then survival mode dropped, and I felt like I was playing a completely different game. I started with a new character and ignored settlements completely. I never even helped/met Preston et al. yet. Tried to help them but kept getting my arse kicked so ended up leaving it. I struggled my way to Diamond City with Dogmeat and have stuck with him ever since as he is cute, helpful and knows how to STFU. My character is a high charisma and intelligence build, so I can no longer just tank my way through fights. This time around, every last enemy a huge threat- just like they would be irl.
Survival mode makes F4 feel a lot more like an actual RPG, with real moral choices emerging organically from the mechanics of the gameplay because of how hard it is to survive (especially at the start). Even though I miss the in-depth faction stuff of New Vegas, this game still has a lot of freedom to play how you want. I've loved every Fallout game since F3 for different reasons, and F4 was no exception.
- Watered down RPG mechanics in an RPG series
- Dumbed down dialogue system that ruined most builds and it also just wouldn't say what you thought it would sometimes
- Voiced protagonist that didn't work with more evil builds
- Graphics did not look up to par for the time at the time
- Quests were repetitive (go here and clear out the bad guys x100)
- Enemies honestly felt the same unless they had power armor. Raiders, gunners, institute, even the children of Adam might as well have just been raiders since they functioned the same
- I still haven't forgiven the bugs since a bug prevented me from finishing Nuka World
- Story was about trying to find yet another family member which we had already seen before
Sounds like I hate it but I still play it to this day, just not like I played New Vegas. I've logged hundreds of hours into 4, it's a fun game but it's a flawed experience that honestly made me question how it was nominated for GOTY
Because its a looter shooter and not an RPG like Fallout 3...
T'was still a great game for me. I just got my PS4 in 2015 and this with Arkham Knight was one of my first games.
LOL I wouldnt even call fallout 3 or new vegas an RPG. Fallout 1 and 2 are TRUE rpgs. Betheseda hasnt really made a Western RPG in the traditional sense literally since Morrowind.
@@DSKRILLVand? You act as if him having fun with the game is a bad thing? Like shit we can't like different games now?
Its very much so a RPG not anymore of a looter shooter than 3 or new vegas they are all essentially the same minus the way perks work. But I guess in only speaking facts that's like calling skyrim a looter shooter compared to oblivion.
It’s not a “looter shooter”. That line heavily describes 76. F4 is more of a Minecraft/SIMS with RPG mechanics & of course Bethesda, exploring. The majority of gameplay is around the settlement building.
Bethesda has to prove that F4 and F76 is the low point point of the series for me to jump aboard again. The fanbase wants an RPG.
I honestly did not know this game was 'divisive' until the release of the show.
Todd Howard got a free pass for botching 2 Fallout launches, blatant LIES and constantly attacking modders and the user base. Few years later he gets rewarded by a successful merchselling show with his Last Name and self-insert character everywhere and millions to his name
@@ElectronicShredderonly launch that was botched was 76. Obsidian also had a very bugged launch with New Vegas
Me either. I just though it was the finest game I played that year. And it helped me move on from Skyrim lol. I've never heard of a GOY be divisive. Very strange.
@@ElectronicShredder lol who did Todd Howard attack
@@ElectronicShredder The only one that I'm aware of that had a bad launch was 76
Here are the 2 fundamental things I would have changed to fix Fallout 4. Rest of my gripes would be fixed a byproduct of fixing these 2:
1. Use a silent protagonist instead of a voiced protagonist. With a silent protagonist, more of the voice acting budget could have gone towards more branching dialogue from NPCs.
2. The main story quest was so unimmersive because it only made sense if you were to rush the main story and ignore all other side quests. SPOILER: They should have required the player character to read the logs about when their wife/husband and was killed and their baby was taken from the cryochamber and make note that it happened many, many years before the main character was released. That way, there's no big rush. It's more of a mystery to figure out what happened all this time.
I can't speak for anyone other than myself, but TWO very specific things are what kept me from enjoying Fallout 4 as much as the other Fallout (or even just Bethesda) games:
1) The Settlements. I actually think these are very cool as an optional gameplay addition, but interweaving them into the main story (and therefore FORCING players to create and maintain them) was a big NO for me. I hated having to constantly bounce back and defend or upgrade my settlement.
2) The black-and-white morality of Factions. In Skyrim, you can literally choose almost every Faction if you want. Outside of the two that fight in the main quest, you can do a playthrough with every faction. In Fallout 4, once you choose a Faction (sometimes even without realizing you 'chose' it), you are instantly a target for LITERALLY every other faction. And you can;t change it unless you go back on your save.
I mean, that kinda happens in NV too if you do anything against Caesar's Legion. All of a sudden you have random soldiers spawning onto the map and chasing you down from specific.points like It Follows.
It’s called choice and consequence, THATS GOOD for an RPG. It adds replayability and makes you actually have to think about your decisions. Only problem is the story was bland with poor writing and there was next to 0 RPG mechanics.
I'm fine witht he faction thing. It's supposed to be an rpg. I do like being able to do all the faction quests in elder scrolls but wish the main story would have some more decisions in it, bethesda continuously reduced choice and consequences after morrowind
Really? I have yet to get to that forced settlement defending part.
I'll uninstall it well before I reach that point of the game though.
lol there was never forced settlement building in the main story shut up fool
In my opinion it is because of 2 reasones:
1) it is an FPS and not an RPG
2) minecraft elements, many of us all hate that.
Fallout is my favorite video game franchise but I still never finished FO4. Experienced a game breaking bug after a 60 hour play through 😢
Dang sorry. Did you keep multiple saves?
Same I killed the whole brotherhood now Danse follows me every where instantly killing me lol
@Skylerknowsphins I did that for one of the plays. He attacked me at red rocket. Seems like his body just stayed there the rest of the gameplay
Same here. Couldn’t finish final mission on far harbour due to bug. Things like that just turn me off. I took a long hiatus and came back to destroy the institute but my itch to complete dlc before the main quest line remained unscratched.
I’ve put hundreds and hundreds of hours into this game like new Vegas and fallout 3. The biggest issues are instead improving the features added by obsidian they outright removed everything. The features they added all have very major issues, settlement building is genuinely a good addition but is barely supported, your neither rewarded or penalised for building up your settlements, their needs are entirely pointless and meaningless. Having it be a necessity is a bizarre decision and there really is a lot less settlements or towns in comparison to fallout 3 and new Vegas, due to them wanting you to build your own which takes away from the game as your own settlements provide nothing but as aesthetics. Power armour is flesh out greatly and you really get the sense of weight and power behind them. They’re completely ruined by being given 30 minutes into the game and not skill capped (requiring training) like every other instalment. The world while huge and detailed lacks alot in terms of world building and story. It’s great to explore but it’s kind of empty exploring. The choices you make within the world are pretty minimal outside of the main story line which is easily the worst story within the series. There are a few genuinely good side quests but pale in comparison to fallout 3 and especially new Vegas. It really isn’t even an rpg anymore, just a first person shooter/melee. It’s genuinely a fun game and if we hadn’t had new Vegas which was a vastly superior but linear improvement from fallout 3, this wouldn’t feel as bad. Bethesda is in line to be one of the worst publishers at the moment, they continually go against what the community wants, creation club, fallout first. Both fallout and elder scrolls are single player games, no one wanted live service online only games but Bethesda did it so be able to profit off of one game for as long as possible rather than make spin offs in between their main games which are taking 10+ years to make. Fallout 4 is a really fun game but a terrible fallout game and Bethesda continually show they don’t care about the community.
Unkillable characters ruined it for me. I missed the text across the top of the screen saying main quest is no longer possible.
which fallout games had that?
@@luigiwoo4469fallout 3 and 4. New Vegas you could kill everyone.
@@luigiwoo4469 fall out 3 and new Vegas.
For me I played it directly after the Witcher 3 and realized how much of a better game The Witcher was in multiple ways. For example the Witcher managed to minimize loading screens allowing you to explore most of the map and even go inside buildings without the need for a loading screen. Fallout 4 hardly felt like a step up from 2008 Fallout 3 with the constant need for loading screens and minimal graphics update. Another gripe I had with Fallout 4 was the revamped dialogue choices that felt more limiting.
I’ve always felt vanilla 4 is a 6/10 but modded it’s a 10. Such an incredible modding community behind it especially now.
Can you fix the lacking RPG elements with mods? I don't think you can. 10 is pushing it IMO.
@@theboraxbandit9563 You can't but the settlement building is incredible. FO4 is just not an rpg.
@@BrettCaton there are settlement builders far superior to what f4 has.
It is 3
Fallout 4 ...
Join the Minute men and play Settlement Management: Wasteland Edition.
After Starfield suddenly Fallout 4 doesn't seem so bad.
the "brilliance" of todd howard ? careful buddy, you have chess club member on your lip there
Fallout 3: I want to find my dad.
Fallout New Vegas: I want to find who shot me.
Fallout 4: I want to find my son.
Fallout 76: I want my money back.
Sill one of my favorite Fallout memes.
Fallout 1: I want a water chip for my vault.
Fallout 2: I want the G.E.C.K. For my village.
Because by previous fallout standards, 4 had improved gameplay and world and reduced rpg elements, story, perks, etc. It left behind the most important parts of fallout for things were just expected from a game made 6 years later. The technical aspects were definitely better than the older fallouts, but they were not impressive compared to other games released at or before 2016
Exactly
Going back and playing new vegas last week I realised how much 4 lacked the rp features. Asides from speech checks I can barely remember skill checks where as new vegas has 10 in the first 20 minutes
That is the narrative but it's not true. Ultimately Fallout 4 systems are just as deep as Fallout 3's, they just look dumber.
Eh I agree when comparing it to FO1,2 and NV but people forget 3 had just as dumb and linear of a story and it’s mechanics weren’t really any deeper than 4s. 4 just consolidated the systems a bit that make it look more simplified on the surface
@@NicoBlackXIV never played 3, did play new vegas, and it sure as hell doesn't live up to a game that was made in 18 months
The whole building settlements, having to defend them; and the BoS being the MAIN faction again did it for me. I loved Fallout 3 exploring, and numerous side quests
The only "controversial" thing about Fallout 4, is the New Vegas elitists. They would go to great lengths to explain how you are not a real gamer for enjoying Fallout 4.
My introduction with Fallout is 4 on my part. It was good at first but it gets boring. Most of my games are fantasy base such as TESV, TESIV, and Witcher.
It is actually my first time playing Post Apocalypse games. To say the least 4 is underwhelming story base. Took me some urging to just try NV as i have low expectation in Fallout as a whole. To say the least, it became on of my all time favorites. So much so it makes me retry playing FO4 again in which i enjoy playing the second time after, though can't say an all time favorite of mine.
There's a reason for hate. Lazy writing, not to mention, it even achieved having less options in weapons and accessories compared to the previous iterations, you cant even compare it to NV with loads and loads of ways to stylize your character and loads of ways to whack your enemies.
Those are just a few problems as there are slew of complaints with fallout 4.
No need to go on for hours explaining when just two hours of playing Fallout 4 explained it plenty. 3&NV are great. 4 is a husk of them.
@@boy_tryhard3786 4 has more content than 3 and NV vegas combined. Husk my ass
@@LymeGreen04 Fallout 4 has no soul, it’s a husk.
@@boy_tryhard3786 fallout 4 has more content and things to do than any fallout before it. You can pretend it's not full of live as much as you'd like. The only husk is your opinion. Have a good day boy
I would argue that 83% positive rating in Steam is not very divisive, and most of the negative reviews have 300-600 hours on them.
Its the old school fans who got divided, not the players
I never liked the plot twist that your son was the older dude who tried to mentor me
How though it's been almost 10 years
@@nylasdaddy3197 autocorrect linked is liked. Sorry!
@@Harbyz lol I was just wondering haha
Then kill him. The institute be damned to lowest hell. Sure this chapter of BoS is vety ultimatist, no B.S. I do peeps would like Fallout Tactics Mid Westetn chapter more. They accept common folk, ghouls and super mutants in their ranks. And you have to EARN your stay and rank. Highest ranks grants you the badass horned power armor🤘🤘
@@odinulveson9101don’t forget the intelligent deathclaws.
Next Gen Update: adds more broken content while fixing none of the old bugs
I adore Fallout 4 since day 1. That's one game I always have installed in all of my systems.
Bugthesda told everyone with a season pass to wipe their butt with it when introducing Creation Club. Every time they break the game to make a couple bucks with Creation Club, they tell the whole player-base to get screwed. Fire Todd Howard for a start.
Visually Fallout4 still looks great almost 10 years later
umm if it came out in 2015 and its 2024 right now where did the extra 1 yr come from?
@@chaikagaz you missed the word almost
@@Themuffinman1820😂😂😂😂
@@chaikagaz 🤓
@@chaikagaz”erm actually”☝️🤓
You should mention that even before the TV show, FO4 was rated "Very Positive" on Steam with 87% positive reviews.
So as vocal as the complainers have been, the game has beem very well received by the majority of players.
It felt like a watered down fall out game
outside of everything Fallout 4 may or may not have done right, we can all agree survival mode is the best version of a hardcore mode in pretty much any open world title.
The unskippable base building ruined it. We need an option to automate it, without disabling trophies.
Unskippable?
@MalitiaHDOfficial You need to build the teleporter to get into the Institute.
Just don't go into the museum in Concord if you find Preston to be annoying. Base building is completely optional.
Ever hear of sim settlements 2? One of the best available mods that automates ur settlement builds and comes with a great lengthy fully voiced quest line which is just as good as anything in the base game. Highly recommended.
@@whasian1487 in the main story. You have to build a teleporter. No matter what faction you join.
If people think the story is short, they're playing it wrong. I have 380 hours into this game and still haven't finished the main story. I've been saving it for last.
Fair summary at the start-it's a good game, but not a good fallout game
Because their favorite RUclipsrs and Reddit told them to be mad about nonexistent issues.
Remove voice acting, and replace the dialogue wheel with a box, and it’d be considered one of the greatest games of all time
I really enjoyed Fallout 3 and NV, but I seem to remember quitting 4 about halfway through due to boredom.
I loved Fallout 4 and still do. Even without using mods is still fun to play. But damn, seeing it everywhere online nows just crazy😂
I just thought the main story and choices fell flat. I enjoy the game, but it's like most things Bethesda put out, like Skyrim. A packed world, but ultimately dull main story.
What made the story dull?
Wow like the opposite of starfield lol. Huge "universe" horribly boring. And 76 isn't even worth a mention. Each their own tho. Loved Skyrim still do like oblivion liked Morrowind. Fo3 4 were great for me
@@kyos8462 I love Skyrim too. A lot of the side quests were great... minus the thieves guild. But Alduin ended up feeling like such a none threat. Maybe because of the lack of interaction with him. They would TELL you he's the big bad world eater and all, but you never really saw it.
I have one gripe with F4, that the main character is not part of Enclave. Bethesda missed a golden opportunity to reform or change the narrative
I love Fallout 4 since day one. It was the first game i put more than 1000 hours. It has the best companions, the settlement system its awesome and fun. One of the best RPGs ever made.
But it ain’t top 5 rpg game it’s more action than rpg 😂😂
It had so much limitations on Rpg systems. Its an action game
play fallout 3 and new vegas and then ill take your comment seriously lol
How is it an RPG?
@@chaikagazI played and finished both, including tales from two wastelands. Good games, but the i had more fun at the Commonwealth
For me I think I initially didn’t care for it because of two reasons. 1. I was playing on the Xbox one, so performance issues were a big turn off, I can handle bugs, glitches, but framerate dips pulled me out of the world (personal opinion)
2. It didn’t have the same vibe as 3 and new Vegas. Fallout 4 does have moments where I feel “at home” but far in between. When booting up fallout 3 or new Vegas for the first time, I felt “at home” it’s hard to explain.
But after a lot of time I came back to 4, with better hardware. And it’s much better than I remember
Fallout 4 is BEST with mods.
No argument their.
The plot was definitely mild in comparison to other fallouts. But I also look at it as a different style of game. Emphasis was placed on constructing your own towns and boy did I have fun with that.
I modded my game with modern weapons which meant that the NPCs now possess High precision and high-powered modern sniper rifles and they will snipe you from a different zip code.
I found a cloning machine and my towns were all hot girls wearing bikinis and building modern weaponry.
If you're looking for a very deep story line then play the older fallouts but if you just want to have fun and do crazy things Fallout 4 is awesome. I know nothing about modding the game on consoles so don't ask.
Fallout 4 base game was kinda eh. The ingame arsenal left a fair bit to be desired IN MY OPINION. But it definitely got better with the dlc. Lever action rifle, radium rifle, atoms judgement, decembers child, and the AK 47 platform (handmade rifle) made it way better.
It might not be your type of game
It’s definitely better with dlc. Mods also help a lot ngl
@@jroc2k The issue is now we wont get anything close to Fallout New Vegas.
@@BladeValant546holy crap. Even without any of the dlc new Vegas was perfect. The only thing was that like FO3 the game ended after the main questline. But not like FO3, they didn’t fix that with a dlc
@@BernieTheDevastator that is basically my concern. I think there is room for fallout 4 like games in the universe. Sadly the industry doesn't view things pragmatically or globally like that. It is basically if one thing sticks that is what they go withm
1. People considered FO4 to be a sequel of FONV, not FO3, thus different expectation.
2. The RPG elements were trimmed down to barely anything, but the gun play were really good.
3. The story, characters, factions are all terrible but the base building and exploration are great.
That's why FO4 is so divisive among fan.
Fallout 4 is one of my all time favourite games. I was obsessed with building settlements and exploring every corner of the map to find resources to build them. Playing in survival mode is a great challenge too. One of the few games I've platinumed on more than one account.
Will be first time playing it properly when the update comes out, you recommend playing on survival for a first play-through??
@@myles5388 Definitely not! Even when you're familiar with everything and you know where all the best early items are it's still a tough challenge!
Survival mode was crazy! It was so tense 😂
I’m gonna do it, I’m raw dogging survival mode, a true fucking alpha male (am I able to turn it off mid play through if it’s to hard?😂)
@@myles5388 Lol good luck! If you struggle too much just start a new game and keep the survival run save to pick up again when you feel more confident.
As someone whose first video game was Pac-Man, I'm just baffled at how spoiled everyone is now. FO4 let me run around exploring, killing enemies in multiple ways, and building insane structures, while listening to a passable imitation of Frank Sinatra.
It was fun. Remember fun? Back before we all decided it was cool to hate everything?
Personally Fallout 4 is my favorite. I like that it is faster, more action based, had less RPG elements to it. I realize I'm in the minority, but its all preference.
Oh yeah you are very special let me bring you a medal, did you get it?
I love the game. I’ve got over 700 hours clocked
@@miembrosgibran I'll check for it in my mail tonight. Thank you so much!
They took away the point distribution system. Gone was the gun repair, the gratification you got when distributing 16 points on all the different skills. They changed it to just one perk. Gone was the complex character building. It was still a great game, but they dumbed it down, made it less complex for casual players. Shame....
Ooohhh you got me started. Something else that bug me. Trudy, the drug dealers AND the ...kid. I go resolve matters peacefully and what happens? The dealers proceed to park themselves right, RIGHT outside her door and for the ENTIRE rest of the game they DON'T move from there...ever. WHY? There is NO traffic, I AM Trudy's ONLY customer and I can make my OWN drugs, how you supposed to make caps there? Trudy... after things get resolved she goes behind that counter and NEVER moves again. Morning , noon, night ALWAYS there. The kid, oy the kid, HE just sits on the floor rocking back and forth for...EVER. You can't even try to place a cure in his inventory, they ALL get hostile. Past games they would show you SOME affects of your actions, a reason maybe to back and see but with a LOT in this game once you've done it , there's NO reason to go back. Just like the auto robots that were broken fixed them and NEVER had a reason to go back.
She should give the kid some jet and make him clean up the place.
@@grimdolo918 lol yeah that too. You can't pick up ONE piece, anybody?
You're not supposed to build a relationship with Trudy. She's a merchant -- drop in, trade your scrap and blood-soaked Raider gear for caps, get out.
Yeah, everything is just in the moment, without progression. It's a shame. It was one of the bosts of bethesda that they could use the ai to make sophisticated npc behaviour, but that seems to have been forgotten.
Sim Settlements 2 does a better job - cleaning up concord, for example.
@@BrettCaton Unfortunately I've only been able to play the first chapter but LOVE Simsettlements 2. THAT'S the way they should have been and it's a game unto itself.
The biggest complaint anybody really had Was the voiced protagonist Because it removed the more personal aspect of role playing.
Right, under that was the settlement system bugging. You constantly which basically serves to kind of Force you to play the minute men. But they weren't really the best designed quests, that crown went to the brotherhood of steel. Other people complained that power armor shouldn't be a vehicle. But honestly, I thought that that was the most brilliant thing this game did. I do not want to go back to the clothing style power armor, this power armor is it, this is the pinnacle
The voiced protagonist meant they didn't bother giving the player real choices and often you had four different things but they all had the same response.
The budget for voice acting is an issue, but the obvious solution is to let the player decide what the protagonist sounds like, imagine it, rather than requiring it all be spelled out for them.
But yes, the vanilla base building was wretched. It broke my immersion to build a new town only to have the rooves look and act like ancient shacks that leaked in the deadly sludge outside.
With mods, the settlement building was unparalled. The closest I would say was The Sims. Otherwise, I don't know of any other games that are that versatile.
It's not really an RPG
How?
@johngonzalez8146 few meaningful choices, being forced to play as a fully voiced protagonist with a previously established backstory, the fact that it doesn't really matter what faction you side with as it barely has an effect on the ending, the over-use of radiant quests to pad-out the game and make it seem like there's more content than there actually is. In the whole game you barely make any decisions that actually matter, there's no stakes to anything, and the whole world feels like empty action movie set locations, that only exist to be a shooting gallery for the player to get a dopamine hit. FO4 isn't an RPG, it's a sandbox shooter
I'd argue that the Fallout TV series is also equally divisive. Only people that detract from the show are immediately silenced.
I love fallout 4, I don’t care what anybody says. ALL of the fallout games are amazing.
Yeah it’s not a bad game at all, it’s very fun. It’s just a very weak FALLOUT game. It’s missing so much of what was special about the other games.
@@mylegsasleep1934 i do wish there was more rpg elements but at its core it’s still a fallout game. It has the lore, the aesthetic, and the world building. It still feels like fallout when you look past the problems. The exploration is great and feels rewarding. The crafting stuff is really cool especially with the weapons.
New Vegas still the best Fallout game.
Fallout 4 is a really fun game once you mod it up. But no matter how many mods you put in it, it still has a lackluster story, limited dialogue (due to voice protagonist), and very few meaningful player choices. In other words, it's a fun action rpg, just don't expect it to be more than that.
I love Fallout 4 especially the settlement building.
Bruh the settlement building was asss. It was like, "hey, Minecraft is a thing, let's make a half asked base builder just like it!"
@@LewdConnoisseurit wasn’t that bad, just doesn’t belong in a fallout game, it’s supposed to be an RPG
Agreed, building sage havens were a big part of what made the game great for me
Yeah I loved the settlement building and management
I had no issues with Fallout 4. I enjoyed running around with Dogmeat.
A lot of good games were shat on during that time simply because we had so many good games coming out, the bar was really high. In hindsight, it really puts things into perspective in terms of just how good we had things back then, compared to the shit releasing these days. Fallout 4 is a masterpiece in today's AAA landscape bugs and all.
So basically history is just repeating itself because in years to come someone will probably be saying the same thing you just said.
muh games comment
I want a “ best tips for very hard mode” in Fallout 4 please
Fallout 4 Survival Mode top tier gaming
@@samd2013 no ik talking very hard, survival takes to much time because you cant fast trafel
Upgrade your weapons to max damage , unlock ballistic weave as soon as you can if you are not running power armor and carry a lot of stimpacks because on very hard mode i think the emeries do 2.5x damage while you do only half of the display damage but most importantly save often and have fun .
@@joshparadox9143 use the brotherhoods Vertibirds for fast travel, they’re extremely useful in Survival Mode. Another method is use the Institutes teleportation to always be able to get to the center of the map. Survival Mode is amazing, it’s way more fun than playing the game in standard mode as it makes previously useless things into extremely useful things.
Hello, just finished a Fallout 4 playthrough on hardcore and went through most of the narrative of the game and exploration, and despite my criticisms, it's easily one of the best experiences I've had in a game for a while. Here's my current opinion on the game. First, a fact. Key settlement features were bugged or just didn't work and were never fixed. There were many bugged level 4 merchants, which to me is probably the single most important settlements mechanic that could have been. It's what you build into settlements for. That or have other unique settlers who can give you more quests that you unlock as you develop your settlement(s), which can be treated by having the Sims Settlement mod if you'd like to see more into that. I think that would have been awesome if this was a feature already in the game. I ended up not deeply investing into creating my settlements since I was making bank without them through perks alone, and I miss none of the game otherwise aside from some forgettable radiant quests. It just felt like the current system lacked a "wow" and end objective. Otherwise, it's just a building simulator you can completely avoid aside from a small part of the story.
My next opinion. Fallout 4 is actually an amazing shooter and crafter game, but lacked in actual RPG elements. I felt the shoot and loot was very crisp. Getting to build my own weapons and armor felt extremely satisfying, making combos with my perks unique and had me actually strategizing each level earned.
By the time I was done with the game, I was level 150 and felt like I didn't really need to grind to get levels after since I had all the perks I had interest in. Idiot Savant will carry you through early game. It should be your first perk, period.
Time to watch the show now.
I still love Fallout 4. Especially the voiced protagonist. Felt much more immersive imo. It feels too disembodied otherwise.
It misses out on the silly dialogue and alot of choices though which is what fallout is all about
Having a voiced protagonist limits the game. Devs will write much less dialog options.
Talk about a bad take 😆