I heard this guy says "ever since i was a little kid and booted up fallout 4", i was a bit confused but then I realised that fallout 4 is nearly a decade old
I was in my late twenties and on a ship when fallout four came out. I went to a telecom companies headquarters on Guadalcanal in the Solomon Islands and paid $120 for enough Data to download it on steam. That comment about playing it as a little kid hit me right in the old millennial.
My girlfriend can't fathom how norm is my favorite character. I truly think norm is the vessel for people who are OBSESSED with the lore. Watching him figure things out and discover new things is awesome.
Norm was my favorite character too! I had never played the game before watching the show. So exploring the lore is literally the best part of the game to me.
Emil is living proof that lightning doesn't strike twice. Dude knocked it out of the park with the Dark Brotherhood quest in Oblivion, and from there on he just put out a consistent stream of shit. Somehow he rode that shit stream all the way to the top.
I can't really wrap my head around Muldaver and why she led a team of raiders into Vault 33 for a farce wedding. Her depiction as a raider boss is totally incongruent with her depiction as one of the few remaining leaders of the NCR. It's like they forgot who she was supposed to be after the first episode. The saving grace is that we're clearly not done with her character, even though she's dead in the present. We still haven't seen all of Cooper's character arc or an explanation for how Muldaver survived the war.
its possible she didnt want to move a whole group of soldiers away from the main base since theres already so few of the NCR left or she did not want to risk losing anymore soldiers knowing that the vaults probably have armories.
So here's my theory after watching the show a few times. I think Muldaver was a former leader in the ncr that has been trying to unify all the different factions around LA in the wake of the shady sands explosion. Here's what I think happened. Hank goes after his kids, he partners with a group to attack shady sands. That group takes over shady sands and the NCR has to move it's capital. This is listed as "the fall of shady sands" on the blackboard. Eventuality the NCR retake shady sands, likely lead by Muldaver. Thinking that the next step in muldavers plan is to come after the kids, he has shady sands nuked to try to kill her but muldaver ends up surviving. NCR wants to abandon the area but she stays and tries to unite the remaining factions in the area. She finds rose after a decade and uses her pip boy to finally seek revenge
Realistically It's just a (poor) writing decision they made so that the opening experience goes the way it did. It makes less than zero sense for her to have grabbed some raiders to do a sloppy ass job like what happened, when she could have had a small group of well trained NCR troops do it quickly and efficiently. But then there'd be no raiders in the opening, and raiders are iconic for fallout.
@@rgw7345 this is a weird thing to think. It doesnt make less than zero sense for it to happen, it actually make quite a lot of sense. The ncr has been pretty much destroyed, and she leads one of the last surviving groups of ncr. She does not have enough soldiers to travel across a desert to the vault, and she cant leave the main nrc base defenseless. Plus she probably knew the vault had weapons and didnt want to risk her soldiers being killed. So does it not make more sense for her to ally herself with a raider clan close to the vault and use them instead? You are not smarter than the writers, so problem you see in the script is very possibly something they put there deliberately, so it would make more sense to figure out why its there, instead of immediately calling it bad writing like you did.
I disagree strongly about your point of not canonizing an ending. If you are going to have a Fallout story set in the same region as a previously released story, it’s actively detrimental to the plot that the ending of the previous story is left ambiguous. Like you said, Fallout is post-post apocalyptic, and to develop that aspect of the franchise we need to see growth / change between stories. Imagine a Fallout 2 that left Shady Sands as a simple town instead of letting it become the NCR, just because of “respecting player choice”. Same with season 2 of this show, think about how much less interesting it would be for New Vegas to end up as another ruined town (like Shady Sands) instead of the show committing to a House or NCR ending and playing out the ramifications of that. This isn’t me trying to fully disagree with you, I think having a majority of a Fallout main character’s story and choices left ambiguous is a good thing for the same reasons you do. I just think that the main plot of the show would be far more compelling if they choose an ending and run with it.
Something you should know, though, is that the OG Fallout 2 DID canonize an ending. They canonized specific parts of fallout 1and left others vague and were smart enough to have the story set DECADES after the first, to avoid giving too much of an idea of what happened in between the games. But that isn't how Bethesda rolls. Even as far back as Daggerfall and Morrowind, the studio has been dead set on canonizing *EVERY* outcome from the prior game. Which, naturally leads to nonsensical storytelling in an effort to make *every* player happy. But it's a fruitless endeavour that ultimately leads to a morass of meaninglessness. Bethesda can't just decide on an ending that make sense for the story they want to tell with their next game. They've got to create a nonsensical excuse as to why ALL the endings are somehow canon. Which robs the story of impact, because if every ending happens, then what was the point in choosing one to begin with? How on earth can they explain a character siding with two warring factions and simultaneously being for an independent new vegas? How can the player character convince several factions to fight on both sides of a war that ultimately won't matter anyway, because the outcome is irrelevant come the next release? We're seeing the fallout (haha) of Bethesda's story writing in live action. They can't decide how Fallout New Vegas ends. So we're going to get a jumbled mess of all the endings mixed together, in a timeline far too close to when the events took place. At least, that's what's most likely to happen without intervention from the showrunner's writing team, which I suspect will be handicapped by Todd Howard, infamous lying coward. If the show took place almost 40 years after the events of FO:NV, I could agree with you. If I had any confidence the showrunners would canonize one specific ending, I could agree with you. But this isn't Obsidian's fallout 2. This is, essentially, Bethesda (and Todd Howard's) Fallout 5. We're not going to see growth or development of even commitment to the ideas laid out in the series, we're going to get a theme park ride that spits in the face of the players who enjoyed the nuances that came with Fallout New Vegas's faction conflicts. That's why we got to see the east coast & some light remember-berries scattered throughout the show's first season. That's why we're going to see Vegas. That's why I'd be shocked and surprised if we didn't get a s3 with a story about the east coast & boston, inevitably canonizing every ending to FO:4 just for the shits and giggles, and fuck it, let's go north and see how the endings of FO3 turned out (oh hey, the enclave are still around? Guess that means the east coast BOS didn't actually fuck them all up at Mariposa.)
I COMPLETELY AGREE! I think games with multiple endings should ALWAYS have ONE canon ending confirmed after about 1 or 2 years or in the next game, so the community can theorize a while and then they get an answer, not having canon endings is a bad idea because a plot can never really evolve or build upon another story, all because of "Player choice"
At the end of the day, who cares if they make a certain ending canon or retcon certain things. It’s fictional. It doesn’t stop anyone going back to the games and enjoying them how they want. People are so easily butthurt over the most inconsequential stuff
here's the issue: they fully intend to 'not canonize an ending' and if discussion from the creators is to be believed none of the endings from new vegas will really matter as it's "so far in the future" that "things have changed"
They did make some odd choices, like putting all those vaults in LA. This is set after Fallout 1, after the Master ravaged many vaults to capture people for his mutant army. His base was in LA, AKA the Boneyard, well south Boneyard, the Cathedral. No chance in Hell he would have let those vaults go by untouched. Especially the ones in south LA. And Shady Sands being moved into LA....In FO1 it was way north of LA, sat in-between vault 13 and 15...they were settlers of vault 15 after the door opened. Where it was at it's safest from harm. Choices I don't quite get that contradict the games. But then, the games contradict themselves anyway so it's to be expected unfortunately.
Can you explain if the boneyard was where modern LA is or if its somewhere else cause around the santa monica pier everything is just sand and skeletons
@@Pakotugudugudugudugudugudugu Bone Yard is just basically all of LA. It's that way on the map. Places like Santa Monica aren't marked, but where it would be is the same dark building ruins that are on Central LA. It's too close for the Master not to have raided them, because in game his army is already out of LA.
The whole point is the master couldnt have found vault 13 without knowing its location from the vault dweller. Since 33 32 and 31 seem relatively isolated, and moldaver is *spoilers* pre war, we can assume she found some other way in
@@Comporio I'm like yourself in that I love New Vegas, it's literally my favourite game every made, but I don't really like talking about it because so many NV fans are so whiney and annoying. I do think it's one of the best of the series, but Fallout 1 might actually be my favourite and I bounce between the two so often. Swag ass video btw
@@Virgil-280 Thanks my man appreciate it and I definitely get you. Its now become the norm to say New Vegas is the best and all others suck. But I might actually like Fallout 4 just as much in my opinion. Its story, writing is much weaker obviously but I might actually enjoy it more, specifically in terms of gameplay.
@@Comporio I actually really enjoyed Fallout 4. I was 14 when it came out and I literally got dumped a few months before because I wouldn't stop talking about it lol, but I loved it. And then as time went on I enjoyed it less and less, but more so because I wasn't into the characters of the story all that much but the side stuff and the gameplay I really liked. Still think my ideal Fallout game would be the world of 3, gameplay of 4 with the characters and writing of 2 and New Vegas
The nitpick isn't fair because ALL we want are true adaptations of our favorite games. I didn't need a fresh take of "The Witcher," I just wanted what I already like and signed up for.
Really? Because I enjoyed the last of us adaptation the least near the end, when it was basically a screen-to-screen adaptation of the game. It felt like I had seen it all before, done better, in the game. Adaptations that have more fun with the source material are better in my opinion
Yeah. He *thought* his arc was over but it very much wasn’t, he didn’t realize he was about to have a whole crisis of faith and loyalty arc instead of proving his worth
Fallout 4 carries the "Sin" of canonizing an ending where Dr. Li is alive, FEV wasn't released, Lyons fell out of power, and the Brotherhood won. I don't see how having a show canonizing an ending is wrong. We were not going to see New Vegas again regardless, so picking a heading and carrying on makes sense.
Heck, this show already canonizes endings for Fallout 4, because the Commonwealth Brotherhood is mentioned and the Prydwin isn’t blown up. So it’s either the brotherhood ending or a specific Minutemen ending.
@@josiadorthestrong1031 There's no way that stupid thing ever got out of Bahstan. It exists to explode like the loot pinata it is. @captironsight The problem is the brotherhood is probably the most boring thing in Fallout. Stealing a suit of power armor from someone is so much more fallout then getting it as some kind of quest reward for killing 15 synths in a 5 minute bethesda dungeon.
I don't think canonising an ending is inherently bad, if you can leave a decent amount of ambiguity to let the player imagine their choices were the ones going forward then that's great, but ultimately if you want to tell a story that follows on from the previous one you'll have to touch on some plot points that the player had some amount of choice in. New Vegas does create the issue of having 4 fairly well fleshed out endings covering how each of the major factions could alter the wasteland, so outside of a Daggerfall style Warp in the West that has time break to let all the endings somehow be canon at the same time (I love when Bethesda can get weird with their world building) they will have to pick one and run with it. The only other alternative is to destroy New Vegas so utterly that whatever the player chose doesn't matter since it's all destroyed anyway, but that goes from annoying most people by ignoring 3/4 endings, to annoying everyone, but ignoring them all.
The Chinese largely used *STEALTH* submarines and bombers, and contrary to what the game did for goofiness, nukes are NOT that big, unless you drop a "Czar Bomba" which was never a practical weapon just a demonstration device. The lore from the start of the games is that very few megaton sized "city killers" were used, instead, they used a HUGE amount of smaller nukes Hiroshima sized and larger (25 to 700kilotons) and that makes sense for a lot of reasons: #1 they lacked advanced computers become transistors/chips didn't cone about until way later than our time line and are vital for miniaturizing and accuracy of such weapon systems, it also makes creation of "MIRV" style warheads with multiple nukes harder or impossible. #2 kind of related to #1 they lacked advanced rocketry we have, instead it was mostly somewhat simpler like 60s or early 70s tech, or used nuclear propulsion which is a major headache all in itself and not very viable for mass bombardment! (see the "Repconn" rockets in New Vegas and the lunar missile repurposed for an ICBM in Fallout 3's museum of technology). #3 Fallout's universe created more advanced fission *power* for practical things than we did, while possibly we have better warhead design (later is mentioned somewhere in the games IIRC).
All of that led to massive fallout production because the enormous number of bombs were mostly "ground burst" as the TV correctly shows, to cause more physical damage and crucially destroy hard military targets and produce enormous fallout that kills off the enemy *civilization*. "Big nukes" are inefficient, same principle as "cluster bombs" where lots of "small" is better, where as "a few big" is mostly a waste as the energy goes mostly upwards into space or overkill (anything beyond flattening an area is pointless). And no you wouldn't see a bomb drop unless you were in the "you are fried" zone, lol. You can see the re-entry vehicle of long range missiles as they make huge arcing trails as they are so hot, very spectacular when a "MIRV" comes down with 5 or more warheads (RL test footage shows that). In "Lonesome Road" it states that the West coast was largely hit by total surprise due to the Chinese stealth tech and also, the US leaders being idiots...or possibly...letting it happen
The "Enclave" just like our real life "overlords" are greedy elitist psychopaths etc, and that leads to stupid decision making, as they are driven by irrational, scheming, and deeply cowardly crap. They don't' really understand things because they chose not to empathize ("evil") or can't empathize (sociopathy) They push our cautious, rational, empathic people who would get int heir way, and surrounded themselves with "Yes Men" and scumbags like themselves. Ergo...stupid decisions are made based on greed, ego, jealousy etc One example is the turret in the TV show and in Fallout 2, iirc, in #2 if you sneak up on some Enclave soldiers guarding a base, they are bitching about having to be on guard duty while the base has many turrets, and his comrade tells him the turrets suck as the Enclave skimped out and bought cheap targeting systems, ie MK1 turrets which are crappy, lol
@@CSorgini Well the transistor and microchip were developed in Fallout, just not until much later than our world, around 2023 for transistors and 2050 for microchips :)
Thinking they should reveal the cold fusion at the beginning misses the entire point. A story's overall arc doesn't really matter most of the time. Most plots are generic. The thing that matters is characters. Lucy and Max are stories about blindly following/seeing the real world. They basically have a coming of age story with them. Cold Fusion adds nothing to that. It takes away from it.
Couldn’t agree more, it’s a character driven story! Each of the characters serve as a different way to view the wasteland, and they all experience growth during their journey. Not to mention the fact that they serve as an analogue for player character builds.
@@Pureblasphemy101 imagine if the Last of Us show had told you the twist of finding the cure at the start. It's the characters that matter not the overall plot. The Last of Us has pretty generic zombie story overarching plot. It's the characters, their experiences, and their relationships that matter
I agree. But these characters are not great. They're incredibly inconsistent. Act in stupid ways because 'plot', and that goes not only for the main characters, but the side characters too. Nobody acts like a real person. They're incredibly inconsistent with their capabilities and interests, often for cheap gags or easy entertainment. They just feel like quirky, but inevitably generic characters. The stories of Max and Lucy *sucks* AND the constant attempts at humour and references are too numerous and disrupt the story too much. Everything regarding the brotherhood was kind of unsatisfying and lacking punch. This lack of onscreen presence was 100% not helped by the awful decision to make Titus a coward who dies almost immediately in a scene for comedic relief. Imagine if Starwars started building up Darth Vader only to have him die in a Looney Tunes moment, whimpering for his life before stupidly insulting someone who then kills him. It wouldn't just hurt his character, but the Sith as a whole. The Enclave was never touched on and the Doctor died too soon for no real reason. Could have been a significantly more interesting character and most expected better than infinite power from the MFing Enclave. I can go on and on. "Evil scientist from the worst faction makes mysterious device everyone is fighting over and...it's just a power source." Cooper Howard was a significantly better character which the story would have been far better off being centered around even as an anti-hero. His biggest flaw is his lack of screentime and over reliance on flashbacks to tell his story rather than develop it with character interactions in the present. The best part of the show was Norm and everything happening within the vaults. That had better tension, mystery, and better buildup in comparison to every other storyline. But that failed in its conclusion. It was unsatisfying as it was mostly intended to contribute to Lucy's place in the plot than act as a satisfying conclusion to its own mini-arc. It feels like it was too focused on "subverting expectations" that it completely failed to meet them.
@@pagatryx5451 Cooper had an entire episode essentially dedicated to.his character. And it might not have met expectations for you, but for most of us it met all expectations and some. It's pretty universally praised except by a small minority. You might not have liked it, but it was a great show. Liking something and it being good are different things. I like Teansformers and it is complete trash. I have a friend that did not like Inside Out at all but acknowledges it is a great film, but he personally just didn't like it. I know a lot of people that don't even touch video games that considering it now because they liked the show so much
Holy shit, you were eleven when Fallout 4 was released? Goddamn I’m getting old. You’re really right about the Ghoul being the guy for older Fallout players.
It's like a hollowed out papermache version of the setting people fell in love with through Fallout 1-Fallout: NV. It *looks* like fallout; They spared no expense in making sure it delivered on visuals, but beyond that, the show's a shallow representation of the game's deeper story & complex factions & societies. It just wants to market the idea to you, it doesn't actually want to commit to telling you a story in the setting.
The show can't exist in the same univers as the classics! Shady Sands is not in Los Angeles but up north in Death Valley. Vault 33/32/31 and 4(Boneyard Vaults) are right in the open anyone can see the entrance yet they are not breached by the Super Mutant Army, The Cathedral is right in the middle of the Boneyard where the Children of the Cathedral , the Unity, the Mutant Army and THE fu**ing MASTER is residing, its IMPOSIBLE they never found the Vaults that close to them with the doors right in the open!
The Fallout show really does boil down to a lot of references duct taped together. Even plot points like the scientist's head being carried around feels taken straight out of a New Vegas side quest. A joke people liked is "thou shalt not get sidetracked" but that was just another reference to the games as well.
@@phrogg--6 Missing the point. The show overdoes it. It doesn't need to cram every little thing from the games, just for the sake of people pointing and going "I get it." Place stuff in yes, but don't shove it all in where it needn't be.
Not amazon created. It was a network tv show that bezos liked so much he bought the show after it was being canceled on TV. Just continued it on Amazon after that. So Amazon studios gets no credit in creating the show.
@@AHHHHHHHH21 I always mean what I say. "SyFy" is a TV channel. Stargate Atlantis and FarScape, for example, had all of their episodes first broadcasted on SyFy (which may or may not have been also called "Sci-Fi Channel" at the time).
I'd say the ghoul is more like a 13 year olds oc than an experienced player. He's op like he's using console commands to toggle god mode and responds to every interaction with the "sarcastic" choice. An experienced player doesn't always go gun blazing as they know there are alternative routes.
Yeah, bro is literally using VATS (which allows us to see in slow motion that the showrunners did absolutely ZERO research on how his weapon show work). There's nothing in the show for fans of the OG Fallouts.
@@lukethelegend9705 It's almost like VATS doesn't actually exist in-lore. It's a goddamn gameplay-only feature, yet here we are anyway. I wrote more believable and balanced OCs when I was 12.
IF YOU DO YOUR OWN EDITING, YOU DESERVE A RAISE. YOU'RE DOING SOME REALLY HARD WORK WITH THIS. You know that everyone is going to be watching this because, fallout, but you really out fallout the fallout fans for this one. I got to say, top class. I know this, because Tyler knows this. Except for 19:15 the reason they were set up for power was because Shady Sands. NCR was powered by a vault and it's cold fusion core, and everything else they developed after it for like the past ... 50-100 years.... including simple filament light bulbs they could make better in the Wild West times of the 1800s. It's not actually that advanced of a technology, especially if you can take the old bulbs and just replace the glass. Glass itself is the most advanced part of the tech.
Thanks mate! Yes I do all of this myself so thanks for the compliment. They may have rebuilt shady sands prior, but it was still nuked again even after the 200 years, also the man power and time it would take to even go ahead and replace the wiring and the lightbulbs in every single one of thos buildings is just too large of a feat it took me out instantly.
Fallout show is what happens when you're given a bethesda title. You forget everything the show's main story (quest) is about because it sucks so and run off doing whatever. The show is full of "Oh wow cram! Oh the hacking minigame! He mentioned the water chip pog!" But the actual already established Fallout Lore is all over the place. If you're a zoomie you probably don't care or haven't played it but lets look at some things. Why ghouls need drugs not to go feral? They don't even need radaway even if it was. Straight up a guy in Necropolis (Winthrop) who's a ghoul studies ghouls says radaway is worthless. Ghouls go insane because of too much constant exposure to rads. Their DNA is damaged. Also who the fukk is making this stuff? The BOS? NCR? The Enclave? They all hate mutants lmao. The Enclave are back because of course they are and for some reason they're into cold fusion and this is the plot point. Uh you guys already have this with the GECK through vault tec. The Government, enclave, vault tec... what the fukk is this? Every Protag from Bestheda comes from a vault. Zzzz. Fallout 1 you where a vault bro. Fallout 2 you were a Unga Bunga. Fallout NV you were a courier on the surface. Creatively bankrupt. Bethseda doesn't seem to understand the scale of the fallout world either and the surface never changes beyond a few metal shacks here and there. Everything still looks like it's been nuked 10 years ago. (This was mentioned near the end of the video.) The phrase "War never changes" is everywhere because humans blah blah but the world the war is fought in does. (Or should but not the case I guess. NV had to use old assets and didn't have time to create new ones.) Shady Sands lmao. A guy in power armor losing to a literal bear. How? Just because it's called a "Yao guai" It's a bear on rads which is still a regular bear. You could put on a suit of plate armor from the 1400's and you should be able to chase it off. Power armor can deflect small arms fire to the point some claws and teeth shouldn't be an issue. If it were a deathclaw that'd make more believable as they're bio engineered for straight up killing. Why are the vaults so easy to find? Why did they move the boneyards and such? Why did the master not find these vaults when 4 is broadcasting it's location and lucy and them and just walk in? A bunch of dumb raiders could do it and raiders are dumb. That whole raider thing was also dumb. NCR lol. Did the largest force in the west just roach out? What happened. (Also what is this blood cult stuff in shady sands? weird but whatever.) The BoS must be some sort of raider faction larping as the BOS. They don't even know how to use the fukking flashlights on their armor. Also where are their lasers? All they seem to have is power armor that falls apart in 2 seconds and don't know how to use. (How would they not find the "flaws"? How did major operations like anchorage happen with this?) They spend more time backstabbing and being cowards than anything. Brotherhood of Steel? More like Bumbledumbs of Stupid. And the worst offender of them all? The lack of anyone saying RED CHINESE COMMUNISTS. We all know why, censorship. Absolute Ball-less communist behavior. There also wasn't a single liberty prime reference the one thing almost everyone would remember. They say "the reds" but what if you've never "Falled out" once? Who are the reds? The Soviets? The British? Time Traveling Marked Men? I don't even care about the vault tec stuff unless they straight up say "Yeah they did it they did the nukes it wasn't the chinese it was us VAULT TEC! We're going to be so rich lmao. We're going to control america and the world" New flash idiot prewar money (or any money on a scale disaster like this) is worthless and rich people already control the world now. You need to establish a world but who cares everyone lives in shacks still and day to day is all survival. I just pretend it's a funny whacky wasteland adventure where I've taken the Wild Wasteland perk 10 times in a row. It's insane.
It might be that the audience's first expose to the Fallout franchise was through memes and funny RUclipsrs, which isn't a bad thing but it is when they just view the series as a comedy along with not caring about it's beginings
@@gamaactive8278 Yeah I have a feeling this is both for the more casual / fallout 4 /76 and the "TV" crowd. I'm tired of "long time fans" defending it as canon when it's clear there's issues. The dumb dialogue I don't even mind I just assume it's a speech check failure. I think if this show took place somewhere else in the world instead of already established west coast 90% of these issues could be thrown out.
@@XzMondayNightzX You're probably right on the audience part, though another part to add is that "fans" got too complacent on accepting constant plot holes because "Bethesda always did that" as an excuse. I guess they never heard that tolerating bad products will lead to terrible results. Either way I'm sure the actual fans will just move to Metro or S.T.A.L.K.E.R. since those two give the vibes of dread and having to focus on surviving in a apocalypse. As for the dumb dialogue it might be due to the co-creator/ co-showrunner, Geneva Robertson-Dworet, who as far as i know worked on the 2018 Tomb Raider and Captain Marvel. I'm pretty sure it would've had the same outcome even if it didn't took place in the West Coast given it's still comedy focus, the best they could've done is a cartoon with the Vault Tec animation instead.
«The phrase "War never changes" is everywhere because humans blah blah» Ulysses says «if war doesn't change, men must change», which is a great summary of Fallout and Bethesda doesn't get it in the slightest «We all know why, censorship. Absolute Ball-less communist behavior.» no, they're just morons, New Vegas had a somewhat leftist skew and wasn't afraid to engage with the red scare and ridicule it
@@gamaactive8278 «fans" got too complacent on accepting constant plot holes because "Bethesda always did that" as an excuse» don't worry, modders will fix the show
Well the more I think about it, the NCR and House endings make the most sense because the NCR military and economy was declining and spread thin. If they succeeded in the Mojave it would strain their resources even more, and if it was the House Ending, the NCR would still be on the decline economically, the military would be demoralized. The worst thing that could happen for the NCR was if Kimball lived because Kimball was a complete pariah already, so his assassination would’ve turned him into a martyr and reinvigorated the NCR’s resolve. Considering Todd stated the NCR is still kicking cause he had to explain that since folks who are “Ultra NCR fans” somehow forget that Shady Sands was one city with a relatively small fraction of the entire population of the NCR being nearly, at, or over a million citizens and soldiers. No folks, the NCR didn’t get deleted, they are just spread thin because of the expansions they were doing, something the lore established in New Vegas, had really messed up their economy and military might. Todd has also stated that they took things from each New Vegas ending, but they are not choosing a specific one. Considering that this takes place 15 years after New Vegas, it has been 15 years since the Second Battle of Hoover Dam, meaning anything could’ve happened between the end of the game and this time in the story. I will say as both a fan who started with F:NV (being my favorite), I enjoyed the show and love it. I don’t fault folks for disliking it, cause it does have its faults. But when folks try to use specific opinions they hold to try and ruin the experience for others, I think their opinions are moot and should be ignored like Star Wars Theory, Geeks + Gamers, Doomcock and the rest of those grifting clowns. The show led to my fiancé picking up New Vegas (as in I of course being the loving man I am, bought it for her when she wanted a fallout game), and it allowed my parents to connect with me a bit more about a game and its story/universe I enjoyed growing up on as a kid.
I was with you up until you mentioned Todd. 1. Yes, Shady Sands may have been a small town... IN THE GAMES. The show moves it into the middle of Boneyard which is one of, if not the biggest city in NCR. 2. NCR would NOT allow a huge Enclave facility exist in a spitting distance of the Boneyard, even when stretched thin. 3. The entire NCR in the show is like a few hundred people at best and they behave like raiders. It's like the entire faction was nuked, not just a single small town. 4. The Second Battle of Hoover Dam happened 14 years (not 15) prior to the show's start, but according to the show... SHADY SANDS WAS NUKED 4 YEARS BEFORE NEW VEGAS EVEN STARTED.
@@LecherousLizard False Shady Sands was not nuked 4 years before New Vegas, that was confirmed by Todd and also simple math when you factor in Maximus was about 6 years old when it happened, and his age doesn’t match the whole “fOuR yEaRs BeFoRe” argument which Bethesda and the producers have clarified on already, if you ignore that its willfully ignorant at best, flat out disingenuous at worse. Shady Sands began an economic and societal collapse, which would culminate into the nuking of it, which the economic and societal collapse is reflected in the lore within in New Vegas as they even imply it is no longer the capitol, further proven by the sign in show calling it: The first capitol of the NCR. They have also stated the NCR is not done yet as a faction and will play a MAJOR role in the upcoming season. The NCR however had become morally bankrupt after Tandi’s death, as represented by statements made by characters such as Cass, Boone, Mr. House, and Chief Hanlon. If you pay attention to the actual dialogue and read terminal entries and notes instead of skipping past them, maybe you’d get a clearer picture, Instead of writing off my entire statement. Also the map people have been using is also from a game which map was declared as canonically shifty at best. There is a fantastic video breaking this down about how wrong most of these critics are and it shows how little they actually pay attention to lore. As of the mention of the NCR not allowing a huge Enclave facility, their military was spread thin, and they wouldn’t have been able to really deal with it, especially since now they have to mobilize their forces and recall all of them to defend the other cities. Colonel Moore and Major Knight make this blatantly obvious in multiple dialogue strings when talking about how bad logistics were thanks to morons like General Oliver and Kimball for not understanding how to handle military operations. A MAJOR plot point of New Vegas was to show the gradual decline of the NCR rather than show it at its peak, and folks who miss that, missed the point of New Vegas. Plus, the NCR clearly lost the Mojave, which was guaranteed to happen without the couriers help, and tbh, it would make more sense for the courier to just go and finish their job, get their revenge, and head their own way rather than help the NCR in their war effort. The House Ending is likely what occurred, though they probably pulled a bit from all endings.
@@AHHHHHHHH21 Pray tell when and how has it been debunked? If you mean that it's inconclusive, because the timeline shown in the show doesn't have a date next to the image of a nuclear explosion, then I'm sorry, but that's not debunking, that's hard coping, because why wouldn't you put a date next to the most important city on the West side of North America TURNING INTO A CRATER? No, Shady Sands was nuked in 2277 and New Vegas begins in 2281. You can either accept that the show retcons New Vegas and thus doesn't give two shits about the established story/lore or admit the show is crap, because they couldn't even get something as basic as that right. There's no third choice.
@@LecherousLizard 2277 was the start of the decline of shady sands that led to the nuke. Those things don't happen instantly. Also, you only gave me one option and said there was no third option. Kinda strange if you ask me. Sure you might not like the direction fallout it going, but according to the player counts, millions disagree with you. You can go and call them normies and gatekeep for whatever reason if you want but I would really advise you to stop going on no mutants allowed.
Fallout show was a little mid tbh but you got it right, visually it was great, and its solid in other areas but mostly needed a much better plot which as you said again ironic considering that bethesdas main quests are worst parts about the games
It's not great visually, though. The only* town in the show was made out of car wrecks, none of the guns actually worked, they couldn't decide on what design for vault doors to use, etc. It's so full of inconsistencies and bad designs I couldn't bear to watch more than 2 episodes of it.
The thing that frustrates me about this show is how, despite the amazing visuals, the funny easter eggs and everything, it seems hellbent into wiping out previously existing canon (mainly: original games and Obsidian canon) while pushing hard for Bethesda's canon. The fact that they showed Shady Sands in the middle of LA, casually wiped out off-screen along with the whole of the freaking NCR, but spent an overwhelming quantity of time fighting that Fallout 76 monster (didn't play Fallout 76, don't know how it's called. The hands in the mouth one in the lake) makes it pretty clear where they are really trying to "propagandize" the most. It's probably too early to pass judgment, I'm gonna have to wait and see in season 2 how they handle the Mojave but... I'm not gonna lie: it gave me some "Star Wars Episode 4: The Force Awakens" flashbacks. Somewhat pretty, nostalgic and good on the surface but with some rotting smell in the background
Good video! I wanna point out some inaccuracies: 8:53 It is actually the rest of the season, yes. Maximus' arc doesn't end when he gets the armor back from the raiders, it goes through highs and lows as he comes to terms with the fact that the BoS isn't really a healthy presence for the wasteland in the way they act. Lucy convinces him to give back the fusion core to the vault, and in the same episode he chooses to reveal that he's not a knight, he's been playing pretend while wearing big boy pants that weren't his. There is a lot of depth in Maximus' character that runs all the way to the very final 10 minutes of the season, when he finally gets his wish of becoming a knight, but at a cost he didn't foresee: his integrity, his changed belief system that the BoS is actually not the idealized big family he thought it was, and it's a great culmination of his arc in a moment of truly bittersweet achievement. 11:20 A lot of reviewers get this wrong for some reason, and it's kinda pissing me off at this point. The ruins of Los Angeles below the Griffith Observatory have been in stable and protected NCR territory for, what, almost 100 years now? You don't think they lived in the buildings and skyscrapers of the city? You think they'd let the entire city's electrical infrastructure untouched since the war that happened 2 centuries ago? I'll admit there's no confirmation but this is the NCR we're talking about, a well-written West Coast faction, not one of those East Coast shoddy settlements that leave skeletons rotting in their living room couch for 200 years because it's environmental storytelling. You really don't think Moldaver knew where in NCR territory to activate the cold fusion device, after decades of study and planning? 12:00 You really think the secretive, shadow organization that has lost its leadership and most of its resources at the oil rig during Fallout 2 would wanna send out soldiers and scouts in search for a rogue scientist, making themselves visible and traceable to factions with some real firepower, like the BoS and the NCR? I don't think the Enclave base we see in the show is established at all, no one is in power armor, they have foot soldiers and turrets, but we don't really see any real power they hold other than their experiments. If they had the resources to catch their fleeing members, they'd have resources to establish a real presence in the wasteland again, which they clearly don't feel comfortable doing, seeing as how trigger-happy the BoS chapter of the area is when it comes to factions waving flags from high places. Your idea of excluding the Enclave entirely and instead fleshing out the science department of the BoS is a really good idea though, I think I'd have preferred that too 15:54
I appreciate how you talked about something different other than just complaining that they nuked shady sands for the 16th time like other reviews ive seen from fans
Vegas is destroyed and that can be that without effecting or having to canonize any of the decisions that the courier makes. Vegas being destroyed would make sense if you consider what Ulysses said about the tunnelers and if I’m not mistaken there’s nothing the courier can do to make sure this won’t happen Ulysses states this as fact: “Tunnelers. Predators that make their own roads beneath the ground here… Be a slower death for the Mojave than bombs and fire... Mojave'll be easy prey for them. They'll start emerging throughout the Mojave in time, might be years. Probably less. They breed fast, hunt in groups, more than enough to bring down the strongest in the Mojave.”
I think the show established what the characters were fighting for in a pretty creative way. Rather than spending multiple scenes telling us about the infinite power source, which wouldn’t matter for any of the main characters as none of them have a means to use it, the story tells us why the characters are fighting to secure the head. Lucy needs to get the head to Moldaver to save her father. Cooper is trying to find Moldaver and Hank to get information about his family. Maximus is trying to save himself from the brotherhood and possibly secure his spot as a Knight. I think the ending reveals did a great job setting up future seasons and keeping the Cold Fusion a secret allowed the season to focus on developing the characters and their motivations rather than making it all about the MacGuffin. Anyways great video.
16:40 Waaaiiit a second, i think you stumbled onto something here. Regarding how much effort they put in the visuals even in that scene, forgetting the missiles by accident seems highly unlikely. The corporations discuss that they will have to make sure the bombs fall and the war escalates, so they whipe out all possible competitors on the long run. Yes, a lot of bombs fell from the sky, but they had to make sure to destroy everything and air defense fails. So yes, indications are shown that they simply ingited some nukes on the ground to finnish everything off.
@@ImCptnAwesome One of the most impactful and chilling scenes in Terminator 3, an otherwise underwhelming movie, is seeing the nuclear launches and detonations. It was one of the few parts of the movie that was praised, rightfully so. I've never seen anyone look at realistically portrayals of incoming nuclear MIRVs and not have chills at it. No, if anything, it would *_reinforce_* the scene by showing that futility of it and realizing that you're doomed. There's no escape, there's no "maybe a nuke won't hit," it's like seeing the inevitable approach and knowing there's no escape, no hope, nothing but looking at your own end in horror without being able to do anything. That is much more moving, impactful and visual than what was done with just... "boom, random nuke."
@@matchesburn I prefer the Fallout scene as it was. I was expecting one explosion, but I got many, and that allowed me to be surprised. If I see a bunch of bombs coming though, the surprise is gone.
16:51 If they were buried, the explosion would be completely different. Part of the effectiveness of atom bombs was that they detonate well *above* the ground. Oppenheimer indicated that the optimum height for detonation is 1,910 feet (580m) above the target. For example, Little Boy detonated at 1,968 feet above Hiroshima.
Well, in the fallout universe they actually were specifically ground-burst nukes, so you would get a crater, because the idea is ground a burst nuke which releases a lot more fallout and then everybody on the enemy side dies from it and you have won
Norm was my fav character as a person who's never engaged in any fallout media. Seeing him slowly discover the secret of the vaults whilst also being a nihilistic, deadpan underling was actually super fun lol.
I think the fact that people have already forgotten about this show not 3 months after it released is kinda a testiment to how medicore it is, and also the fact that people liked it shows how anyone will like anything if its made to be slop meant to appeal to the masses and superficially looks "Good."
I think it’s more likely that the credits that showed us New Vegas “destroyed” with a dead Deathclaw could be more like New Vegas before woke back up and started rebuilding his city.
In my humble old-timey opinion, this is just another classic case of fans being discontent no matter what. You watched the show the first time and enjoyed it, as did I. Then you made the mistake of rewatching it as a fallout fan and began nitpicking. Putting all of that aside, the rest of the video is pretty cool, I enjoyed the editing style and commentary, keep up the good work brother.
This is the Star Wars problem all over again. People with limited exposure to the classic franchise are not swayed by the criticisms of the older fans, because they literally do not know what they are missing. Because if you've only ever played FO4, or never even touched the series at all before the show, then it's a great introduction! Because it's made to be essentially 100% marketing. It's lacking all the nuance of the classic games. To older fans who started their experience with the series as far back as FO:1 & 2, or even just 3 & New Vegas, the show is an example of what's wrong with Bethesda's handling of the IP. The show is a very pretty husk. Just like much of the Disney-brand Star Wars shows & content that initially hit theatres, it's covered in all the iconic visuals of the games, but lacking any of the depth & severity or nuance of the factions & characters from the series. And just like the 'new' trilogy of the Force Awakens, the show is afraid of doing things that are too new. It has to retread old ideas, because otherwise the marketing aspect will lose the charm. You can't just have a fallout show without showing us Vault Tech & the great war and Mr Handy & Power Armour. And because things like the NCR and BOS are popular, they *have* to make an appearance. I can't wait for us to get a hydra's head worth of spin-offs, all about how the NCR was formed in the show's shoddy retelling of Fallout 1 & 2. Maybe we'll even get a show about Courier Six that canonizes them as a quirky black lesbian who joins the Legion for the cool armour, because it's relatable and funny. I bet it'll actually be compelling and grounded in moments, but it'll have the same saccharine flare that the current show is dripping with. That is, if the show doesn't burn itself to dust after it's second season.
I love all the fallout games. I was in line for NV midnight release. Played all the originals through dozens of times. Fallout 3 was my first when I was in HS back in the early 2000s and then I went back and played everything I could find. I have always considered myself a fallout superfan.. And I love the show. I have NEVER expected any fallout content to be perfect. None of them were. NV is just as Janky and full of loose ends and plot holes as ALL the other games. We're not dealing with a history written in stone. It's a fictional story being told across multiple forms of media that has been continuous for decades now. You can't even expect the Bible to be free of retcons, guys. I'm thrilled that fallout is so popular now. It means more content.
I’m someone who REALLY enjoyed the show but I can’t really disagree either any of your negative points at all, it’s a great show but it could’ve been better
That uncomfortable moment when the video youre skimming is revealed to be by someone who had an 11 year olds perspective on Fallout 4 when you were 25.
I hate how house is shown in this show. They completely changed how he literally was so smart he saved new vegas and determined a nuclear war was inevitable. And the BOS was never these weak nerds. They were a strong and deeply dangerous group that traded having many in number for few in strength. Theyre shown as a joke in the show.
Robert House was literally the smartest person in that conference, so don’t know what you are talking about there. The BOS literally came out on top by the end of the show, and there was literally two major games (Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas) where the BOS elder is a scribe (aka nerd).
@@pmpowalisz they're smart and also strong. The show makes them look weak and incompetent. And for house. He mathematically said it was an inevitable thing that the nuke would fall and his goal was to save new vegas so he could save mankind. None of this makes sense if he was in this meeting and approved of the plan for (step 1. Nuke the world. Step 2. ?????. Step 3. Profit) it's insane to think he would want it. He calls the great war a pollution and folly of a bygone generation.
And this is how we know you never understood the fallout series. This scene is LITERALLY in line with what a character like House would do, plus he was only shown for a few moments, and you think he was shown incorrectly. You have failed the House test.
I think you bought into House's and the BoS's self-aggrandization a bit too much there. Both have been shown to be not quite as competent as they believe they are.
@@LordDaret house says in the game he had mathematically determined war was inevitable. Not he knew vaulttecj was gonna nuke the US. Why? Because it's a retcon
I didnt watch it, and still refuse to. Its more of Bethesda's bastardization of a Franchise they had no hand in creating. and i dont care what Tim Cain says. this is the same man that came out years after Fallout 3s release and said he hated it. And then gives this " show" a glowing review about the sets. Unless Bethesda loses the license, dont expect anything good writing from them. Fallouts 1,2, Tactics, and New Vegas are the Canon timeline. Now to some other points. Vaults 31 to 33 cant exist seeing how their right under the nose of both the NCR and located where the Boneyard was. During Fallout 1 the Master was sending out scouts to look for Vaults to break open. Not only did he have access to Records and locations, He also learns about it if you send the water caravans to Vault 13. The Enclave now have a BASE NEAR the NCR Capital. Regardless of Bethesda claiming they flew to the East Coast, the Enclave forces in California were severely crippled after losing the Oil Rig and The Navarro Air Base to the NCR. The Ghoul serum, never existed in the games and is now a retcon. Why didnt we hear about it in Fallout 1, 2,, 3, or New Vegas of 4? Because its a new "addition" thats literally a plot contrivance and f*cks the lore for Feral ghouls. the Bombs dropped around 9:42 am in the morning, and yet they show a Birthday Party around 10 am. When it would have been around 6 on the WEST COAST. The CEO meeting. Kind of hard for RepCONN to be there. Julia Masters wasnt the CEO, she was the CFO. Chief FINANCIAL OFFICER. and REPCONN WAS Bought out by ROBCO in 2075. Fredrick Sinclair wasnt the Rep for Big Mountain Research. he was the sole proprieter for the Sierra Madre Casino. a place he had built as a symbol of his love/lust for Singer Vera Keyes.
And that's why nobody takes you people seriously, let me guess, you got your opinion from Mauler shad, Arch, or Synthetic man and your making that your entire personality now.
@@jarate8076 If you think they are right, I would suggest the Kurt Cobain special. Because they know jack shit what they are talking about, and hope idiots like you dont have the braincells to rub together.
You lost nothing. I suffered through this, but only to make notes about its flaws. My brother, who is a HUGE fan of Fallout since 1998, could only watch the first 30 minutes, then he gave up. The show is abysmal and has nothing to do with Fallout.
I disagree with the point that we need to know what the chip is for. The characters have their own reasons to find the chip. The ghoul needs money for his medicine. Lucy needs it to find her dad and maximus needs it so he can go back to the brotherhood. What the chip actually does in the end doesn’t really matter to the characters
It's so bad to compare the show canon with the game canon. Just treat it differently. It doesn't matter what ending the show follows. Either you have a show with solid story, or ruin it without connecting to ANY of the games.
2:02 that shit is so fucking funny i actually believe they just pulled a guy off the street and asked him these questions while recording him it's just too good of voice acting to be true
5:12 this aspect of the game FO4 was my favorite part. the detective work you can do with a location, as a player, to get a mini story? priceless. i think this had less to do with the story writers than the game designers, and the average joe workers; who just wanted to make something cool, regardless of the upper ups. the only reason i don't have more hours in FO4 (almost 500) is the decision at the end when you realize your son is older than you. i paused my play through indefinitely. i couldn't choose because my choice was not there. there also wasn't consequences to the choices i had made previously, at that moment. no re-playability for different outcomes, just re-playability to explore and fight. also: i only played that much because mod-ers made the game stunning... not least of which was the CBDB [sic] bodies plug-in (not available for men?), better faces for you and companions, and the zipper suit. ;P
6:28 ",,,sets and the environments themselves." exactly. just like the game i described above. maybe this is some meta logic. i didn't watch more than 10-15 minutes of the series pilot because the initial introduction of the brotherhood looked like a gaggle of limp wristed diversity hires... the healthiest one of the bunch (maximus?) got picked on by weaklings? i left after this. might give another look to see if this is on purpose.
The most critical fans of the games and the show are the most dedicated fans, to care about the success of its previous elements compared to those who do not give that much insight feedback, just like saying its good, without explaining what makes it good and what elements didn't work well. Most of the people who like this show are the latter and aren't really old fans who've been around since Fallout 4, so they don't know all of Bethesda's misdeeds and false promises by Todd as well as the flaws (And good aspects, sometimes) of their titles.
I fine with them picking an ending for New Vegas, the whole point of the games was that everyone was doomed no matter what faction ya choose. The ending slides of the story and The Lonesome Road confirm it.
@@owenwilsonsayingwow haha i believe he used “In Motion” by trent reznor, is the synth sound you are looking for, it belongs to the movie the social network which is a great watch and one of the best films of the last 20 years.
I dont really mind canonizing an ending, theres still different timelines, and the games before pretty much had a cannon or default ending. Everyone wanted a "new vegas 2" If we got a new vegas 2, they'd have to set a canon ending lol, thats how you build apon things and tell an intertwining story
I have always been open to a New Vegas 2, but yes it would be tricky in a sense. I guess they could do something never done before in a game and have you pick which ending you chose in New Vegas to continue a new story based on the ending you chose for the second game. Think of it as basically post game after your New Vegas ending.
todd howard: we didn't change any of the existing lore meanwhile the lore they speak of: the brotherhood of steel and the enclave are the only two major factions in post war america
What if the writers keep the ambiguity for FNV ending bc of the Lonesome Road tunnelers. The Tunnelers get to NV and destroy the city so it didn’t matter which ending was chosen and keep continuity.
The Fallout TV show and it's consequences have been a disaster to the Fallout franchise! Fallout 76 and it's consequences have been a disaster to the Fallout franchise! Fallout Shelter and it's consequences have been a disaster to the Fallout franchise! Fallout 4 and it's consequences have been a disaster to the Fallout franchise! Fallout New Vegas and it's consequences have been a disaster to the Fallout franchise! Fallout 3 and it's consequences have been a disaster to the Fallout franchise! Fallout BOS and it's consequences have been a disaster to the Fallout franchise! Fallout Tactics and it's consequences have been a disaster to the Fallout franchise! Fallout 2 and it's consequences have been a disaster to the Fallout franchise! Fallout and it's consequences have been a disaster to the Fallout franchise! Truth is, the game was rigged from the very start.
Yeah lol people don’t even realize, if you comb through old gamer forums from the 90’s/early 2000’s, many of the fans of the first game HATED Fallout 2, they thought it ruined everything and was way too goofy
It took less than seven minutes into the first episode for me to be yelling at the screen about how stupid and wrong things were. The show had a lot of good props and sets as well as decent acting (carried largely by Goggins), but MAN was the dialogue, worldbuilding and overall plot AWFUL.
The story is mid, the worldbuilding is pretty bad (cold fusion pretty much defeats the purpose of the Mojave campaign, and that's what really killed any willingness to engage with the new lore of it). But media does not have to have a great amazing story to be entertaining and even good - John Wick being my go to example. Turn your brain off, enjoy the ride, and pretend you do not see Shady Sands teleporting across California to explode
You say the world building is bad. I think you're just mad that the NCR got blown up like I don't like it. I'm also not a simp for for New Vegas or the NCR so yeah alsop And the reason I called a few fusion doesn't stop the Mojave campaign from being meaningless is the fact it was found after the Mojave campaign
It baffles me that a writer's strike ever happened. There's no reason why writers should be going on strike when they continue to write dogshit. For the past decade it's been the same story. "X show/movie looks visually stunning! But the writing isn't so good." Meanwhile, artists are the most overworked and underpaid folks in hollywood.
Does anyone in this comment section think a person acting or writing a part in this show would be well served playing the games, to see exactly what they're working with? Seems this is likely not the case, leaving a cast with little knowledge about what they're doing. That said, Lucy plays a naive, sheeple type of vault dweller. Her role is performed quite solidly, from what I've seen.
My main issue is that despite seeing laser weapons in the show multiple times, we never see them, or any of the other special weapons, used in the show.
The ending of the show, when lucys dad was explaining everything and the battle was going down, that was one of the most epic things ever. He may have been so wrong but his speech gives me chills!
My main gripe was setting in the west. I always felt that a fallout show should’ve been set in the Midwest which would be far enough away from both obsidian and Bethesda fallout games and would tell its own story. Hell you can still do the plot with the brotherhood as they have chapters all across the country so it wouldn’t be out of the blue.
They literally show a modern Los Angeles during the bomb scene, even though there are no infrastructure that looks like modern buildings in the games 😂
I think when it comes to handling new Vegas’s ending, they can go the route of the DUST mod and make it the “ultimate” bad ending, by having the red cloud and maybe tunnelers overrun/destroy the mojave. This way none of the games endings are “canon” and the game can remain relatively untouched while still incorporating its lore into the canon timeline
I don’t think you understand what the plot actually is. Calling the vault a side story, is wrong. The plot IS vault-tec. Her looking for her father is her goal, but the plot is all about vault-tec. So her brother discovering the secrets, Lucy discovering the horrors of vault 4, and her father being vault tec, etc. that’s the plot. It’s all the same plot. They’re all just learning different ways, and different portions of it. But it’s all one story. But season 1 was basically just setting the stage. Introducing the characters and the direction. And I thought it did great. Took me a few tries to actually get into it though, but once I did I binged it and want more. Also, I hate Maximus. He’s dumb, and annoying. And the actor overacts too much. He thinks he’s Denzel or something. I think norm is fantastic, and has a ton of potential. Lucy is charming, as intended. The ghoul is fantastic. And has the most depth of any character. But I love that they’re telling a new story, and not retelling one we’ve already “lived through”.
Bad show, when I played it on Amazon it autosaved and crashed
Bro, yours auto saved? Mine blue screened and corrupted all my saves.
Mine was f3 and nv era so I forgot to save, died and had to replay the last 2 hours to get back to where I was.
I went afk then a super mutant killed me lost all my progress
My game exploded
You can play it past the title screen? Mine just crashes the moment I start a new game!
I heard this guy says "ever since i was a little kid and booted up fallout 4", i was a bit confused but then I realised that fallout 4 is nearly a decade old
Im only like three years older than him yet I feel so old now
You are both noobs
I was in my late twenties and on a ship when fallout four came out. I went to a telecom companies headquarters on Guadalcanal in the Solomon Islands and paid $120 for enough Data to download it on steam. That comment about playing it as a little kid hit me right in the old millennial.
@@Fred-rv2tuI was 24 in 2015 so I feel ya brother.
Oh NO! Oh shit!
Can't wait for Norm to become the new overseer and then say to Lucy when she finally returns... "Im sorry.. you're a hero... and you have to leave".
Hahaaaa, made my day! 😀
He's actually bound to follow the path of the Fallout 1 protagonist. Someone needs to get a Water Chip.
@@unnamedshadow1866 ong
@@unnamedshadow1866 foreshadowing?????
Good prediction!
My girlfriend can't fathom how norm is my favorite character. I truly think norm is the vessel for people who are OBSESSED with the lore. Watching him figure things out and discover new things is awesome.
Indeed, I love him as a character
Sad Little Man is best man. Prove us wrong.
also, seeing him reach a new audience since hannah montana has been cool. he's grown a lot as an actor.
I couldnt get past the way he looks in a vault suit. Its haunting
Norm was my favorite character too! I had never played the game before watching the show. So exploring the lore is literally the best part of the game to me.
You forgot Maximus' main perk investment in Idiot Savant.
Norm was my favourite character hands down, next to Cooper Howard
And then there’s dogmeat
based Irish brother💪💪
Same
Norm build is legit.
1:19 - Nate was out of the military for at least two years by that point. Emil is just an idiot, one who failed upwards.
While Emil might be an idiot, the Sole Survivor being canonically a war criminal is just too funny to pass up
Well "liar" is in the middle of his last name
He is a synth
Emil is living proof that lightning doesn't strike twice. Dude knocked it out of the park with the Dark Brotherhood quest in Oblivion, and from there on he just put out a consistent stream of shit. Somehow he rode that shit stream all the way to the top.
@@Marcelelias11yeah. Idc what they say he's a psychopathic war criminal and now it's the problem of everyone in the wasteland
I can't really wrap my head around Muldaver and why she led a team of raiders into Vault 33 for a farce wedding. Her depiction as a raider boss is totally incongruent with her depiction as one of the few remaining leaders of the NCR. It's like they forgot who she was supposed to be after the first episode.
The saving grace is that we're clearly not done with her character, even though she's dead in the present. We still haven't seen all of Cooper's character arc or an explanation for how Muldaver survived the war.
«like they forgot who she was supposed to be»
yeah, that't the show for you
its possible she didnt want to move a whole group of soldiers away from the main base since theres already so few of the NCR left or she did not want to risk losing anymore soldiers knowing that the vaults probably have armories.
So here's my theory after watching the show a few times. I think Muldaver was a former leader in the ncr that has been trying to unify all the different factions around LA in the wake of the shady sands explosion. Here's what I think happened.
Hank goes after his kids, he partners with a group to attack shady sands. That group takes over shady sands and the NCR has to move it's capital. This is listed as "the fall of shady sands" on the blackboard.
Eventuality the NCR retake shady sands, likely lead by Muldaver. Thinking that the next step in muldavers plan is to come after the kids, he has shady sands nuked to try to kill her but muldaver ends up surviving. NCR wants to abandon the area but she stays and tries to unite the remaining factions in the area. She finds rose after a decade and uses her pip boy to finally seek revenge
Realistically It's just a (poor) writing decision they made so that the opening experience goes the way it did. It makes less than zero sense for her to have grabbed some raiders to do a sloppy ass job like what happened, when she could have had a small group of well trained NCR troops do it quickly and efficiently. But then there'd be no raiders in the opening, and raiders are iconic for fallout.
@@rgw7345 this is a weird thing to think. It doesnt make less than zero sense for it to happen, it actually make quite a lot of sense. The ncr has been pretty much destroyed, and she leads one of the last surviving groups of ncr. She does not have enough soldiers to travel across a desert to the vault, and she cant leave the main nrc base defenseless. Plus she probably knew the vault had weapons and didnt want to risk her soldiers being killed. So does it not make more sense for her to ally herself with a raider clan close to the vault and use them instead? You are not smarter than the writers, so problem you see in the script is very possibly something they put there deliberately, so it would make more sense to figure out why its there, instead of immediately calling it bad writing like you did.
I disagree strongly about your point of not canonizing an ending. If you are going to have a Fallout story set in the same region as a previously released story, it’s actively detrimental to the plot that the ending of the previous story is left ambiguous. Like you said, Fallout is post-post apocalyptic, and to develop that aspect of the franchise we need to see growth / change between stories. Imagine a Fallout 2 that left Shady Sands as a simple town instead of letting it become the NCR, just because of “respecting player choice”. Same with season 2 of this show, think about how much less interesting it would be for New Vegas to end up as another ruined town (like Shady Sands) instead of the show committing to a House or NCR ending and playing out the ramifications of that.
This isn’t me trying to fully disagree with you, I think having a majority of a Fallout main character’s story and choices left ambiguous is a good thing for the same reasons you do. I just think that the main plot of the show would be far more compelling if they choose an ending and run with it.
Something you should know, though, is that the OG Fallout 2 DID canonize an ending. They canonized specific parts of fallout 1and left others vague and were smart enough to have the story set DECADES after the first, to avoid giving too much of an idea of what happened in between the games.
But that isn't how Bethesda rolls. Even as far back as Daggerfall and Morrowind, the studio has been dead set on canonizing *EVERY* outcome from the prior game. Which, naturally leads to nonsensical storytelling in an effort to make *every* player happy. But it's a fruitless endeavour that ultimately leads to a morass of meaninglessness.
Bethesda can't just decide on an ending that make sense for the story they want to tell with their next game. They've got to create a nonsensical excuse as to why ALL the endings are somehow canon. Which robs the story of impact, because if every ending happens, then what was the point in choosing one to begin with? How on earth can they explain a character siding with two warring factions and simultaneously being for an independent new vegas? How can the player character convince several factions to fight on both sides of a war that ultimately won't matter anyway, because the outcome is irrelevant come the next release?
We're seeing the fallout (haha) of Bethesda's story writing in live action. They can't decide how Fallout New Vegas ends. So we're going to get a jumbled mess of all the endings mixed together, in a timeline far too close to when the events took place. At least, that's what's most likely to happen without intervention from the showrunner's writing team, which I suspect will be handicapped by Todd Howard, infamous lying coward.
If the show took place almost 40 years after the events of FO:NV, I could agree with you. If I had any confidence the showrunners would canonize one specific ending, I could agree with you. But this isn't Obsidian's fallout 2. This is, essentially, Bethesda (and Todd Howard's) Fallout 5. We're not going to see growth or development of even commitment to the ideas laid out in the series, we're going to get a theme park ride that spits in the face of the players who enjoyed the nuances that came with Fallout New Vegas's faction conflicts. That's why we got to see the east coast & some light remember-berries scattered throughout the show's first season. That's why we're going to see Vegas. That's why I'd be shocked and surprised if we didn't get a s3 with a story about the east coast & boston, inevitably canonizing every ending to FO:4 just for the shits and giggles, and fuck it, let's go north and see how the endings of FO3 turned out (oh hey, the enclave are still around? Guess that means the east coast BOS didn't actually fuck them all up at Mariposa.)
I COMPLETELY AGREE! I think games with multiple endings should ALWAYS have ONE canon ending confirmed after about 1 or 2 years or in the next game, so the community can theorize a while and then they get an answer, not having canon endings is a bad idea because a plot can never really evolve or build upon another story, all because of "Player choice"
At the end of the day, who cares if they make a certain ending canon or retcon certain things. It’s fictional. It doesn’t stop anyone going back to the games and enjoying them how they want.
People are so easily butthurt over the most inconsequential stuff
here's the issue: they fully intend to 'not canonize an ending' and if discussion from the creators is to be believed none of the endings from new vegas will really matter as it's "so far in the future" that "things have changed"
@@ahealthkit2745 right, but i dont understand y ur saying that fallout 2 did canonize an ending as if that wasnt already his whole point lol
They did make some odd choices, like putting all those vaults in LA. This is set after Fallout 1, after the Master ravaged many vaults to capture people for his mutant army. His base was in LA, AKA the Boneyard, well south Boneyard, the Cathedral. No chance in Hell he would have let those vaults go by untouched. Especially the ones in south LA. And Shady Sands being moved into LA....In FO1 it was way north of LA, sat in-between vault 13 and 15...they were settlers of vault 15 after the door opened. Where it was at it's safest from harm. Choices I don't quite get that contradict the games. But then, the games contradict themselves anyway so it's to be expected unfortunately.
Can you explain if the boneyard was where modern LA is or if its somewhere else cause around the santa monica pier everything is just sand and skeletons
@@Pakotugudugudugudugudugudugu Bone Yard is just basically all of LA. It's that way on the map. Places like Santa Monica aren't marked, but where it would be is the same dark building ruins that are on Central LA. It's too close for the Master not to have raided them, because in game his army is already out of LA.
The whole point is the master couldnt have found vault 13 without knowing its location from the vault dweller. Since 33 32 and 31 seem relatively isolated, and moldaver is *spoilers* pre war, we can assume she found some other way in
They need to redo 1+2 I swear
@@skatedsan1456i rather they don’t touch them at all
"Most played game..." "374.1 hours" *laughs in 1k+*
Thats insane. I commend you!
@@Comporio I'm like yourself in that I love New Vegas, it's literally my favourite game every made, but I don't really like talking about it because so many NV fans are so whiney and annoying. I do think it's one of the best of the series, but Fallout 1 might actually be my favourite and I bounce between the two so often. Swag ass video btw
@@Virgil-280 Thanks my man appreciate it and I definitely get you. Its now become the norm to say New Vegas is the best and all others suck. But I might actually like Fallout 4 just as much in my opinion. Its story, writing is much weaker obviously but I might actually enjoy it more, specifically in terms of gameplay.
@@Comporio I actually really enjoyed Fallout 4. I was 14 when it came out and I literally got dumped a few months before because I wouldn't stop talking about it lol, but I loved it. And then as time went on I enjoyed it less and less, but more so because I wasn't into the characters of the story all that much but the side stuff and the gameplay I really liked. Still think my ideal Fallout game would be the world of 3, gameplay of 4 with the characters and writing of 2 and New Vegas
@@Virgil-280 Couldn’t have said it better myself my man. Thats the ideal Fallout game in my eyes.
The nitpick isn't fair because ALL we want are true adaptations of our favorite games. I didn't need a fresh take of "The Witcher," I just wanted what I already like and signed up for.
The Witcher is a hot mess. I hope future video game adaptations are more in line with fallout and less like the Witcher.
Really? Because I enjoyed the last of us adaptation the least near the end, when it was basically a screen-to-screen adaptation of the game. It felt like I had seen it all before, done better, in the game. Adaptations that have more fun with the source material are better in my opinion
@@lukethelegend9705 Nah, not really lol. I mean that is an opinion,. maybe I'm wrong.
Bruh thats maybe what YOU want. Some people care about consistent story and lore.
@@czlifv8865we aren’t here for a retelling of something I can play by myself
If you think Maximus‘ arc ended in the episode he got his armor, you have not been paying attention at all
Maximus arc is NOT over. At the start he was a dumbass squire and at the end he is a dumbass knight with a girlfriend(kinda)
Nah, he is right. Maximus’ arc is all over the place. His characterisation is conveniently switched all the time during the show.
Maximus starts out as an evil and unlikeable person and he ends the show as an evil and unlikeable person
@@artyom-ovsepyan how so?
Yeah. He *thought* his arc was over but it very much wasn’t, he didn’t realize he was about to have a whole crisis of faith and loyalty arc instead of proving his worth
Fallout 4 carries the "Sin" of canonizing an ending where Dr. Li is alive, FEV wasn't released, Lyons fell out of power, and the Brotherhood won. I don't see how having a show canonizing an ending is wrong. We were not going to see New Vegas again regardless, so picking a heading and carrying on makes sense.
Perhaps but it's just as easy to say it doesn't matter because XXX event happened. Such as the bombing of Shady Sands.
Leaving Dr Li alive is DEFINITELY a sin
Heck, this show already canonizes endings for Fallout 4, because the Commonwealth Brotherhood is mentioned and the Prydwin isn’t blown up. So it’s either the brotherhood ending or a specific Minutemen ending.
@@josiadorthestrong1031 There's no way that stupid thing ever got out of Bahstan. It exists to explode like the loot pinata it is. @captironsight The problem is the brotherhood is probably the most boring thing in Fallout. Stealing a suit of power armor from someone is so much more fallout then getting it as some kind of quest reward for killing 15 synths in a 5 minute bethesda dungeon.
I don't think canonising an ending is inherently bad, if you can leave a decent amount of ambiguity to let the player imagine their choices were the ones going forward then that's great, but ultimately if you want to tell a story that follows on from the previous one you'll have to touch on some plot points that the player had some amount of choice in. New Vegas does create the issue of having 4 fairly well fleshed out endings covering how each of the major factions could alter the wasteland, so outside of a Daggerfall style Warp in the West that has time break to let all the endings somehow be canon at the same time (I love when Bethesda can get weird with their world building) they will have to pick one and run with it. The only other alternative is to destroy New Vegas so utterly that whatever the player chose doesn't matter since it's all destroyed anyway, but that goes from annoying most people by ignoring 3/4 endings, to annoying everyone, but ignoring them all.
The Chinese largely used *STEALTH* submarines and bombers, and contrary to what the game did for goofiness, nukes are NOT that big, unless you drop a "Czar Bomba" which was never a practical weapon just a demonstration device.
The lore from the start of the games is that very few megaton sized "city killers" were used, instead, they used a HUGE amount of smaller nukes Hiroshima sized and larger (25 to 700kilotons) and that makes sense for a lot of reasons:
#1 they lacked advanced computers become transistors/chips didn't cone about until way later than our time line and are vital for miniaturizing and accuracy of such weapon systems, it also makes creation of "MIRV" style warheads with multiple nukes harder or impossible.
#2 kind of related to #1 they lacked advanced rocketry we have, instead it was mostly somewhat simpler like 60s or early 70s tech, or used nuclear propulsion which is a major headache all in itself and not very viable for mass bombardment! (see the "Repconn" rockets in New Vegas and the lunar missile repurposed for an ICBM in Fallout 3's museum of technology).
#3 Fallout's universe created more advanced fission *power* for practical things than we did, while possibly we have better warhead design (later is mentioned somewhere in the games IIRC).
All of that led to massive fallout production because the enormous number of bombs were mostly "ground burst" as the TV correctly shows, to cause more physical damage and crucially destroy hard military targets and produce enormous fallout that kills off the enemy *civilization*. "Big nukes" are inefficient, same principle as "cluster bombs" where lots of "small" is better, where as "a few big" is mostly a waste as the energy goes mostly upwards into space or overkill (anything beyond flattening an area is pointless).
And no you wouldn't see a bomb drop unless you were in the "you are fried" zone, lol.
You can see the re-entry vehicle of long range missiles as they make huge arcing trails as they are so hot, very spectacular when a "MIRV" comes down with 5 or more warheads (RL test footage shows that).
In "Lonesome Road" it states that the West coast was largely hit by total surprise due to the Chinese stealth tech and also, the US leaders being idiots...or possibly...letting it happen
The "Enclave" just like our real life "overlords" are greedy elitist psychopaths etc, and that leads to stupid decision making, as they are driven by irrational, scheming, and deeply cowardly crap.
They don't' really understand things because they chose not to empathize ("evil") or can't empathize (sociopathy)
They push our cautious, rational, empathic people who would get int heir way, and surrounded themselves with "Yes Men" and scumbags like themselves. Ergo...stupid decisions are made based on greed, ego, jealousy etc
One example is the turret in the TV show and in Fallout 2, iirc, in #2 if you sneak up on some Enclave soldiers guarding a base, they are bitching about having to be on guard duty while the base has many turrets, and his comrade tells him the turrets suck as the Enclave skimped out and bought cheap targeting systems, ie MK1 turrets which are crappy, lol
I love how how world and fallout is largely the same, our world just developed the microchip
@@CSorgini Well the transistor and microchip were developed in Fallout, just not until much later than our world, around 2023 for transistors and 2050 for microchips :)
@@silverbladeTE This turrent explanation isnt very great.
Who else was 23 when fallout 4 came out? This guy was 11. Wild.
It is wild to think about. I was 23 as well
I was the age he is now. 20.
Nope, sorry. I was the "Most Perfect Number" , ever = 42 LOL🤣
I was 4
@TheSirStrazzen why tf are you using those emonjis
Thinking they should reveal the cold fusion at the beginning misses the entire point. A story's overall arc doesn't really matter most of the time. Most plots are generic. The thing that matters is characters. Lucy and Max are stories about blindly following/seeing the real world. They basically have a coming of age story with them. Cold Fusion adds nothing to that. It takes away from it.
Couldn’t agree more, it’s a character driven story! Each of the characters serve as a different way to view the wasteland, and they all experience growth during their journey. Not to mention the fact that they serve as an analogue for player character builds.
@@Pureblasphemy101 exactly!
@@Pureblasphemy101 imagine if the Last of Us show had told you the twist of finding the cure at the start. It's the characters that matter not the overall plot. The Last of Us has pretty generic zombie story overarching plot. It's the characters, their experiences, and their relationships that matter
I agree. But these characters are not great. They're incredibly inconsistent. Act in stupid ways because 'plot', and that goes not only for the main characters, but the side characters too. Nobody acts like a real person. They're incredibly inconsistent with their capabilities and interests, often for cheap gags or easy entertainment. They just feel like quirky, but inevitably generic characters. The stories of Max and Lucy *sucks* AND the constant attempts at humour and references are too numerous and disrupt the story too much.
Everything regarding the brotherhood was kind of unsatisfying and lacking punch. This lack of onscreen presence was 100% not helped by the awful decision to make Titus a coward who dies almost immediately in a scene for comedic relief. Imagine if Starwars started building up Darth Vader only to have him die in a Looney Tunes moment, whimpering for his life before stupidly insulting someone who then kills him. It wouldn't just hurt his character, but the Sith as a whole.
The Enclave was never touched on and the Doctor died too soon for no real reason. Could have been a significantly more interesting character and most expected better than infinite power from the MFing Enclave. I can go on and on. "Evil scientist from the worst faction makes mysterious device everyone is fighting over and...it's just a power source."
Cooper Howard was a significantly better character which the story would have been far better off being centered around even as an anti-hero. His biggest flaw is his lack of screentime and over reliance on flashbacks to tell his story rather than develop it with character interactions in the present. The best part of the show was Norm and everything happening within the vaults. That had better tension, mystery, and better buildup in comparison to every other storyline. But that failed in its conclusion. It was unsatisfying as it was mostly intended to contribute to Lucy's place in the plot than act as a satisfying conclusion to its own mini-arc.
It feels like it was too focused on "subverting expectations" that it completely failed to meet them.
@@pagatryx5451 Cooper had an entire episode essentially dedicated to.his character. And it might not have met expectations for you, but for most of us it met all expectations and some. It's pretty universally praised except by a small minority. You might not have liked it, but it was a great show. Liking something and it being good are different things. I like Teansformers and it is complete trash. I have a friend that did not like Inside Out at all but acknowledges it is a great film, but he personally just didn't like it. I know a lot of people that don't even touch video games that considering it now because they liked the show so much
Holy shit, you were eleven when Fallout 4 was released? Goddamn I’m getting old. You’re really right about the Ghoul being the guy for older Fallout players.
ikr when he said he was 11 for fallout 4 and I'm not even old he must be like 17-18 then.
0:24 Fallout show if it was released in 2007
WHAT IVEEE DONEEEEE I FACED MYSELFF
The show mirrors Bethesda perfectly. Really nice world design and asthetic but mediocre dialogue and storywriting.
It's like a hollowed out papermache version of the setting people fell in love with through Fallout 1-Fallout: NV. It *looks* like fallout; They spared no expense in making sure it delivered on visuals, but beyond that, the show's a shallow representation of the game's deeper story & complex factions & societies. It just wants to market the idea to you, it doesn't actually want to commit to telling you a story in the setting.
You're bang on. Bethesda seem to pretend their games are set a couple months after the bombs dropped.
"Really nice world design" You mean complete retcon what Fallout 1, 2 and New Vegas built!
@@syndicalistcat3138 I think they meant more literally. Like, as in, the world itself looks nice.
How did the do any of that?@@syndicalistcat3138
The show can't exist in the same univers as the classics! Shady Sands is not in Los Angeles but up north in Death Valley. Vault 33/32/31 and 4(Boneyard Vaults) are right in the open anyone can see the entrance yet they are not breached by the Super Mutant Army, The Cathedral is right in the middle of the Boneyard where the Children of the Cathedral , the Unity, the Mutant Army and THE fu**ing MASTER is residing, its IMPOSIBLE they never found the Vaults that close to them with the doors right in the open!
The Master is long dead by the time the of the show, but yeah, either he or The Enclave would have easily found the show's vaults.
Don't think about it, just consume product and be excited for the next product
@@mysampleid We literally are thinking about it, and we like the show. I just don't get you complainers!
@@mysampleid But I want to think and want good consistent sories, the Bethesda cult members hate me for it.
@@syndicalistcat3138 you see fallout was always goofy and wacky so every inconsistency and characters stupidity is totally justified
The Fallout show really does boil down to a lot of references duct taped together. Even plot points like the scientist's head being carried around feels taken straight out of a New Vegas side quest. A joke people liked is "thou shalt not get sidetracked" but that was just another reference to the games as well.
The show making references to the games is bad
Alright, got it.
@@phrogg--6 No, it's not bad at all. But when it's just nothing but references, it can get a little bit "Yes we know."
@@Xegethra thought it was expected for a tv show about a videogame to make references to the games the show is based on.
@@phrogg--6 Missing the point. The show overdoes it. It doesn't need to cram every little thing from the games, just for the sake of people pointing and going "I get it." Place stuff in yes, but don't shove it all in where it needn't be.
@@Xegethra it didn't felt like that.
Does everyone forget The Expanse is also an Amazon show? That show is awesome
Not amazon created. It was a network tv show that bezos liked so much he bought the show after it was being canceled on TV. Just continued it on Amazon after that. So Amazon studios gets no credit in creating the show.
It's not. The Expanse is a Syfy show.
@@LecherousLizarddo you mean sci fi
@@AHHHHHHHH21 I always mean what I say.
"SyFy" is a TV channel.
Stargate Atlantis and FarScape, for example, had all of their episodes first broadcasted on SyFy (which may or may not have been also called "Sci-Fi Channel" at the time).
@@AHHHHHHHH21 Syfy is a tv channel, it's probably where the show originally aired
Fallout 4 The faction ending affects the post game.
They made the choice for you about 4 too, since Prydwen is still flying.
I refuse to believe people born after 2001 actually exist
fallout 1, 2, and 3 all have canon endings so idk why people care
@@spookubus??
I'd say the ghoul is more like a 13 year olds oc than an experienced player. He's op like he's using console commands to toggle god mode and responds to every interaction with the "sarcastic" choice. An experienced player doesn't always go gun blazing as they know there are alternative routes.
Do you have 200 years time logged? Goofy.
i agree. Experienced players role play more often. That's what I do
Yeah, bro is literally using VATS (which allows us to see in slow motion that the showrunners did absolutely ZERO research on how his weapon show work).
There's nothing in the show for fans of the OG Fallouts.
@@LecherousLizardhe doesn’t have a pip boy bro. It’s almost like 200 years of bounty hunting in the wasteland would give you really good gun skills
@@lukethelegend9705 It's almost like VATS doesn't actually exist in-lore. It's a goddamn gameplay-only feature, yet here we are anyway.
I wrote more believable and balanced OCs when I was 12.
18:08 Wtf was that image
Comporio's weird australian accent makes me believe everything he says
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IF YOU DO YOUR OWN EDITING, YOU DESERVE A RAISE. YOU'RE DOING SOME REALLY HARD WORK WITH THIS.
You know that everyone is going to be watching this because, fallout, but you really out fallout the fallout fans for this one. I got to say, top class. I know this, because Tyler knows this.
Except for 19:15 the reason they were set up for power was because Shady Sands. NCR was powered by a vault and it's cold fusion core, and everything else they developed after it for like the past ... 50-100 years.... including simple filament light bulbs they could make better in the Wild West times of the 1800s. It's not actually that advanced of a technology, especially if you can take the old bulbs and just replace the glass. Glass itself is the most advanced part of the tech.
Thanks mate! Yes I do all of this myself so thanks for the compliment.
They may have rebuilt shady sands prior, but it was still nuked again even after the 200 years, also the man power and time it would take to even go ahead and replace the wiring and the lightbulbs in every single one of thos buildings is just too large of a feat it took me out instantly.
"Dumb little 11 year old kid booting up Fallout 4"
Fuck I am old
Fallout show is what happens when you're given a bethesda title. You forget everything the show's main story (quest) is about because it sucks so and run off doing whatever. The show is full of "Oh wow cram! Oh the hacking minigame! He mentioned the water chip pog!" But the actual already established Fallout Lore is all over the place. If you're a zoomie you probably don't care or haven't played it but lets look at some things.
Why ghouls need drugs not to go feral? They don't even need radaway even if it was. Straight up a guy in Necropolis (Winthrop) who's a ghoul studies ghouls says radaway is worthless. Ghouls go insane because of too much constant exposure to rads. Their DNA is damaged. Also who the fukk is making this stuff? The BOS? NCR? The Enclave? They all hate mutants lmao.
The Enclave are back because of course they are and for some reason they're into cold fusion and this is the plot point. Uh you guys already have this with the GECK through vault tec. The Government, enclave, vault tec... what the fukk is this?
Every Protag from Bestheda comes from a vault. Zzzz. Fallout 1 you where a vault bro. Fallout 2 you were a Unga Bunga. Fallout NV you were a courier on the surface. Creatively bankrupt. Bethseda doesn't seem to understand the scale of the fallout world either and the surface never changes beyond a few metal shacks here and there. Everything still looks like it's been nuked 10 years ago. (This was mentioned near the end of the video.) The phrase "War never changes" is everywhere because humans blah blah but the world the war is fought in does. (Or should but not the case I guess. NV had to use old assets and didn't have time to create new ones.)
Shady Sands lmao.
A guy in power armor losing to a literal bear. How? Just because it's called a "Yao guai" It's a bear on rads which is still a regular bear. You could put on a suit of plate armor from the 1400's and you should be able to chase it off. Power armor can deflect small arms fire to the point some claws and teeth shouldn't be an issue. If it were a deathclaw that'd make more believable as they're bio engineered for straight up killing.
Why are the vaults so easy to find? Why did they move the boneyards and such? Why did the master not find these vaults when 4 is broadcasting it's location and lucy and them and just walk in? A bunch of dumb raiders could do it and raiders are dumb. That whole raider thing was also dumb.
NCR lol. Did the largest force in the west just roach out? What happened. (Also what is this blood cult stuff in shady sands? weird but whatever.)
The BoS must be some sort of raider faction larping as the BOS. They don't even know how to use the fukking flashlights on their armor. Also where are their lasers? All they seem to have is power armor that falls apart in 2 seconds and don't know how to use. (How would they not find the "flaws"? How did major operations like anchorage happen with this?) They spend more time backstabbing and being cowards than anything. Brotherhood of Steel? More like Bumbledumbs of Stupid.
And the worst offender of them all? The lack of anyone saying RED CHINESE COMMUNISTS. We all know why, censorship. Absolute Ball-less communist behavior. There also wasn't a single liberty prime reference the one thing almost everyone would remember. They say "the reds" but what if you've never "Falled out" once? Who are the reds? The Soviets? The British? Time Traveling Marked Men?
I don't even care about the vault tec stuff unless they straight up say "Yeah they did it they did the nukes it wasn't the chinese it was us VAULT TEC! We're going to be so rich lmao. We're going to control america and the world" New flash idiot prewar money (or any money on a scale disaster like this) is worthless and rich people already control the world now. You need to establish a world but who cares everyone lives in shacks still and day to day is all survival.
I just pretend it's a funny whacky wasteland adventure where I've taken the Wild Wasteland perk 10 times in a row. It's insane.
It might be that the audience's first expose to the Fallout franchise was through memes and funny RUclipsrs, which isn't a bad thing but it is when they just view the series as a comedy along with not caring about it's beginings
@@gamaactive8278 Yeah I have a feeling this is both for the more casual / fallout 4 /76 and the "TV" crowd. I'm tired of "long time fans" defending it as canon when it's clear there's issues.
The dumb dialogue I don't even mind I just assume it's a speech check failure. I think if this show took place somewhere else in the world instead of already established west coast 90% of these issues could be thrown out.
@@XzMondayNightzX You're probably right on the audience part, though another part to add is that "fans" got too complacent on accepting constant plot holes because "Bethesda always did that" as an excuse. I guess they never heard that tolerating bad products will lead to terrible results. Either way I'm sure the actual fans will just move to Metro or S.T.A.L.K.E.R. since those two give the vibes of dread and having to focus on surviving in a apocalypse.
As for the dumb dialogue it might be due to the co-creator/ co-showrunner, Geneva Robertson-Dworet, who as far as i know worked on the 2018 Tomb Raider and Captain Marvel.
I'm pretty sure it would've had the same outcome even if it didn't took place in the West Coast given it's still comedy focus, the best they could've done is a cartoon with the Vault Tec animation instead.
«The phrase "War never changes" is everywhere because humans blah blah»
Ulysses says «if war doesn't change, men must change», which is a great summary of Fallout and Bethesda doesn't get it in the slightest
«We all know why, censorship. Absolute Ball-less communist behavior.»
no, they're just morons, New Vegas had a somewhat leftist skew and wasn't afraid to engage with the red scare and ridicule it
@@gamaactive8278 «fans" got too complacent on accepting constant plot holes because "Bethesda always did that" as an excuse»
don't worry, modders will fix the show
Well the more I think about it, the NCR and House endings make the most sense because the NCR military and economy was declining and spread thin. If they succeeded in the Mojave it would strain their resources even more, and if it was the House Ending, the NCR would still be on the decline economically, the military would be demoralized. The worst thing that could happen for the NCR was if Kimball lived because Kimball was a complete pariah already, so his assassination would’ve turned him into a martyr and reinvigorated the NCR’s resolve. Considering Todd stated the NCR is still kicking cause he had to explain that since folks who are “Ultra NCR fans” somehow forget that Shady Sands was one city with a relatively small fraction of the entire population of the NCR being nearly, at, or over a million citizens and soldiers. No folks, the NCR didn’t get deleted, they are just spread thin because of the expansions they were doing, something the lore established in New Vegas, had really messed up their economy and military might. Todd has also stated that they took things from each New Vegas ending, but they are not choosing a specific one. Considering that this takes place 15 years after New Vegas, it has been 15 years since the Second Battle of Hoover Dam, meaning anything could’ve happened between the end of the game and this time in the story.
I will say as both a fan who started with F:NV (being my favorite), I enjoyed the show and love it. I don’t fault folks for disliking it, cause it does have its faults. But when folks try to use specific opinions they hold to try and ruin the experience for others, I think their opinions are moot and should be ignored like Star Wars Theory, Geeks + Gamers, Doomcock and the rest of those grifting clowns. The show led to my fiancé picking up New Vegas (as in I of course being the loving man I am, bought it for her when she wanted a fallout game), and it allowed my parents to connect with me a bit more about a game and its story/universe I enjoyed growing up on as a kid.
I was with you up until you mentioned Todd.
1. Yes, Shady Sands may have been a small town... IN THE GAMES. The show moves it into the middle of Boneyard which is one of, if not the biggest city in NCR.
2. NCR would NOT allow a huge Enclave facility exist in a spitting distance of the Boneyard, even when stretched thin.
3. The entire NCR in the show is like a few hundred people at best and they behave like raiders. It's like the entire faction was nuked, not just a single small town.
4. The Second Battle of Hoover Dam happened 14 years (not 15) prior to the show's start, but according to the show... SHADY SANDS WAS NUKED 4 YEARS BEFORE NEW VEGAS EVEN STARTED.
@@LecherousLizard False Shady Sands was not nuked 4 years before New Vegas, that was confirmed by Todd and also simple math when you factor in Maximus was about 6 years old when it happened, and his age doesn’t match the whole “fOuR yEaRs BeFoRe” argument which Bethesda and the producers have clarified on already, if you ignore that its willfully ignorant at best, flat out disingenuous at worse. Shady Sands began an economic and societal collapse, which would culminate into the nuking of it, which the economic and societal collapse is reflected in the lore within in New Vegas as they even imply it is no longer the capitol, further proven by the sign in show calling it: The first capitol of the NCR. They have also stated the NCR is not done yet as a faction and will play a MAJOR role in the upcoming season. The NCR however had become morally bankrupt after Tandi’s death, as represented by statements made by characters such as Cass, Boone, Mr. House, and Chief Hanlon. If you pay attention to the actual dialogue and read terminal entries and notes instead of skipping past them, maybe you’d get a clearer picture, Instead of writing off my entire statement. Also the map people have been using is also from a game which map was declared as canonically shifty at best. There is a fantastic video breaking this down about how wrong most of these critics are and it shows how little they actually pay attention to lore.
As of the mention of the NCR not allowing a huge Enclave facility, their military was spread thin, and they wouldn’t have been able to really deal with it, especially since now they have to mobilize their forces and recall all of them to defend the other cities. Colonel Moore and Major Knight make this blatantly obvious in multiple dialogue strings when talking about how bad logistics were thanks to morons like General Oliver and Kimball for not understanding how to handle military operations. A MAJOR plot point of New Vegas was to show the gradual decline of the NCR rather than show it at its peak, and folks who miss that, missed the point of New Vegas. Plus, the NCR clearly lost the Mojave, which was guaranteed to happen without the couriers help, and tbh, it would make more sense for the courier to just go and finish their job, get their revenge, and head their own way rather than help the NCR in their war effort. The House Ending is likely what occurred, though they probably pulled a bit from all endings.
@@LecherousLizardthat last part you brought up has been debunked many, many times
@@AHHHHHHHH21 Pray tell when and how has it been debunked?
If you mean that it's inconclusive, because the timeline shown in the show doesn't have a date next to the image of a nuclear explosion, then I'm sorry, but that's not debunking, that's hard coping, because why wouldn't you put a date next to the most important city on the West side of North America TURNING INTO A CRATER?
No, Shady Sands was nuked in 2277 and New Vegas begins in 2281.
You can either accept that the show retcons New Vegas and thus doesn't give two shits about the established story/lore or admit the show is crap, because they couldn't even get something as basic as that right.
There's no third choice.
@@LecherousLizard 2277 was the start of the decline of shady sands that led to the nuke. Those things don't happen instantly. Also, you only gave me one option and said there was no third option. Kinda strange if you ask me. Sure you might not like the direction fallout it going, but according to the player counts, millions disagree with you. You can go and call them normies and gatekeep for whatever reason if you want but I would really advise you to stop going on no mutants allowed.
Fallout show was a little mid tbh but you got it right, visually it was great, and its solid in other areas but mostly needed a much better plot which as you said again ironic considering that bethesdas main quests are worst parts about the games
It's not great visually, though.
The only* town in the show was made out of car wrecks, none of the guns actually worked, they couldn't decide on what design for vault doors to use, etc. It's so full of inconsistencies and bad designs I couldn't bear to watch more than 2 episodes of it.
The thing that frustrates me about this show is how, despite the amazing visuals, the funny easter eggs and everything, it seems hellbent into wiping out previously existing canon (mainly: original games and Obsidian canon) while pushing hard for Bethesda's canon.
The fact that they showed Shady Sands in the middle of LA, casually wiped out off-screen along with the whole of the freaking NCR, but spent an overwhelming quantity of time fighting that Fallout 76 monster (didn't play Fallout 76, don't know how it's called. The hands in the mouth one in the lake) makes it pretty clear where they are really trying to "propagandize" the most.
It's probably too early to pass judgment, I'm gonna have to wait and see in season 2 how they handle the Mojave but... I'm not gonna lie: it gave me some "Star Wars Episode 4: The Force Awakens" flashbacks. Somewhat pretty, nostalgic and good on the surface but with some rotting smell in the background
Good video! I wanna point out some inaccuracies:
8:53 It is actually the rest of the season, yes. Maximus' arc doesn't end when he gets the armor back from the raiders, it goes through highs and lows as he comes to terms with the fact that the BoS isn't really a healthy presence for the wasteland in the way they act. Lucy convinces him to give back the fusion core to the vault, and in the same episode he chooses to reveal that he's not a knight, he's been playing pretend while wearing big boy pants that weren't his. There is a lot of depth in Maximus' character that runs all the way to the very final 10 minutes of the season, when he finally gets his wish of becoming a knight, but at a cost he didn't foresee: his integrity, his changed belief system that the BoS is actually not the idealized big family he thought it was, and it's a great culmination of his arc in a moment of truly bittersweet achievement.
11:20 A lot of reviewers get this wrong for some reason, and it's kinda pissing me off at this point. The ruins of Los Angeles below the Griffith Observatory have been in stable and protected NCR territory for, what, almost 100 years now? You don't think they lived in the buildings and skyscrapers of the city? You think they'd let the entire city's electrical infrastructure untouched since the war that happened 2 centuries ago? I'll admit there's no confirmation but this is the NCR we're talking about, a well-written West Coast faction, not one of those East Coast shoddy settlements that leave skeletons rotting in their living room couch for 200 years because it's environmental storytelling. You really don't think Moldaver knew where in NCR territory to activate the cold fusion device, after decades of study and planning?
12:00 You really think the secretive, shadow organization that has lost its leadership and most of its resources at the oil rig during Fallout 2 would wanna send out soldiers and scouts in search for a rogue scientist, making themselves visible and traceable to factions with some real firepower, like the BoS and the NCR? I don't think the Enclave base we see in the show is established at all, no one is in power armor, they have foot soldiers and turrets, but we don't really see any real power they hold other than their experiments. If they had the resources to catch their fleeing members, they'd have resources to establish a real presence in the wasteland again, which they clearly don't feel comfortable doing, seeing as how trigger-happy the BoS chapter of the area is when it comes to factions waving flags from high places.
Your idea of excluding the Enclave entirely and instead fleshing out the science department of the BoS is a really good idea though, I think I'd have preferred that too
15:54
Im guessing the doctor was a loose reference to doctor henry at jacobstown, the enclave remnant doctor who also specialized in canine and human brains
I still wish they had Hugh Laurie as Robert House 💀
Me too my man me too…
Love how you used game footage here, especially the sides scrolling transitions.
Road stop sign at 6:15 is soviet satellite of sorts
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The most lighthearted, family friendly movie ever
Great film
They destroyed my home, the divide, new vegas... bear bull bear bull ~Ulysses
0:09 never have I ever heard of something called the "spice rice"...
I appreciate how you talked about something different other than just complaining that they nuked shady sands for the 16th time like other reviews ive seen from fans
Vegas is destroyed and that can be that without effecting or having to canonize any of the decisions that the courier makes. Vegas being destroyed would make sense if you consider what Ulysses said about the tunnelers and if I’m not mistaken there’s nothing the courier can do to make sure this won’t happen Ulysses states this as fact: “Tunnelers. Predators that make their own roads beneath the ground here… Be a slower death for the Mojave than bombs and fire... Mojave'll be easy prey for them. They'll start emerging throughout the Mojave in time, might be years. Probably less. They breed fast, hunt in groups, more than enough to bring down the strongest in the Mojave.”
The tunnellers route is the only option I am personally willing to accept, if they decide to even explore it that much in season 2.
On a completely different note, i hate it when a documentary or video like this takes a picture and puts a bar over a random persons eyes.
It’s a dumbass design choice for sure
"I know this, because Tyler knows this" caught me off guard and made me laugh super hard lol
I think the show established what the characters were fighting for in a pretty creative way. Rather than spending multiple scenes telling us about the infinite power source, which wouldn’t matter for any of the main characters as none of them have a means to use it, the story tells us why the characters are fighting to secure the head. Lucy needs to get the head to Moldaver to save her father. Cooper is trying to find Moldaver and Hank to get information about his family. Maximus is trying to save himself from the brotherhood and possibly secure his spot as a Knight. I think the ending reveals did a great job setting up future seasons and keeping the Cold Fusion a secret allowed the season to focus on developing the characters and their motivations rather than making it all about the MacGuffin. Anyways great video.
16:40 Waaaiiit a second, i think you stumbled onto something here. Regarding how much effort they put in the visuals even in that scene, forgetting the missiles by accident seems highly unlikely. The corporations discuss that they will have to make sure the bombs fall and the war escalates, so they whipe out all possible competitors on the long run. Yes, a lot of bombs fell from the sky, but they had to make sure to destroy everything and air defense fails. So yes, indications are shown that they simply ingited some nukes on the ground to finnish everything off.
They didn't show the nukes because they wanted the shocking part to be the multiple explosions. The scene would not be as effective otherwise.
@@ImCptnAwesome
One of the most impactful and chilling scenes in Terminator 3, an otherwise underwhelming movie, is seeing the nuclear launches and detonations. It was one of the few parts of the movie that was praised, rightfully so.
I've never seen anyone look at realistically portrayals of incoming nuclear MIRVs and not have chills at it. No, if anything, it would *_reinforce_* the scene by showing that futility of it and realizing that you're doomed. There's no escape, there's no "maybe a nuke won't hit," it's like seeing the inevitable approach and knowing there's no escape, no hope, nothing but looking at your own end in horror without being able to do anything. That is much more moving, impactful and visual than what was done with just... "boom, random nuke."
@@matchesburn I prefer the Fallout scene as it was. I was expecting one explosion, but I got many, and that allowed me to be surprised. If I see a bunch of bombs coming though, the surprise is gone.
Fun fact, the ship at 6:20 is real. It’s the Eduard Bohlen in Namibia.
The lads on Grand Tour go visit it
Which episode
16:51 If they were buried, the explosion would be completely different. Part of the effectiveness of atom bombs was that they detonate well *above* the ground. Oppenheimer indicated that the optimum height for detonation is 1,910 feet (580m) above the target. For example, Little Boy detonated at 1,968 feet above Hiroshima.
Well, in the fallout universe they actually were specifically ground-burst nukes, so you would get a crater, because the idea is ground a burst nuke which releases a lot more fallout and then everybody on the enemy side dies from it and you have won
A boy and his dog is probably my favourite movie. Tied with the road warrior.
New comporio vid, I am seated
🫡 thank you sir
Norm was my fav character as a person who's never engaged in any fallout media. Seeing him slowly discover the secret of the vaults whilst also being a nihilistic, deadpan underling was actually super fun lol.
The goat is back
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I think the fact that people have already forgotten about this show not 3 months after it released is kinda a testiment to how medicore it is, and also the fact that people liked it shows how anyone will like anything if its made to be slop meant to appeal to the masses and superficially looks "Good."
The social network ost tappin crazy
I think it’s more likely that the credits that showed us New Vegas “destroyed” with a dead Deathclaw could be more like New Vegas before woke back up and started rebuilding his city.
In my humble old-timey opinion, this is just another classic case of fans being discontent no matter what. You watched the show the first time and enjoyed it, as did I. Then you made the mistake of rewatching it as a fallout fan and began nitpicking. Putting all of that aside, the rest of the video is pretty cool, I enjoyed the editing style and commentary, keep up the good work brother.
Oh yeah, Fallout fans are the minority in this case. For a lot of people, including myself, who is a casual Fallout fan, this show is goated.
This is the Star Wars problem all over again.
People with limited exposure to the classic franchise are not swayed by the criticisms of the older fans, because they literally do not know what they are missing. Because if you've only ever played FO4, or never even touched the series at all before the show, then it's a great introduction! Because it's made to be essentially 100% marketing. It's lacking all the nuance of the classic games.
To older fans who started their experience with the series as far back as FO:1 & 2, or even just 3 & New Vegas, the show is an example of what's wrong with Bethesda's handling of the IP.
The show is a very pretty husk. Just like much of the Disney-brand Star Wars shows & content that initially hit theatres, it's covered in all the iconic visuals of the games, but lacking any of the depth & severity or nuance of the factions & characters from the series.
And just like the 'new' trilogy of the Force Awakens, the show is afraid of doing things that are too new. It has to retread old ideas, because otherwise the marketing aspect will lose the charm. You can't just have a fallout show without showing us Vault Tech & the great war and Mr Handy & Power Armour. And because things like the NCR and BOS are popular, they *have* to make an appearance.
I can't wait for us to get a hydra's head worth of spin-offs, all about how the NCR was formed in the show's shoddy retelling of Fallout 1 & 2. Maybe we'll even get a show about Courier Six that canonizes them as a quirky black lesbian who joins the Legion for the cool armour, because it's relatable and funny. I bet it'll actually be compelling and grounded in moments, but it'll have the same saccharine flare that the current show is dripping with.
That is, if the show doesn't burn itself to dust after it's second season.
Thank you sir I respect your opinion.
I love all the fallout games. I was in line for NV midnight release. Played all the originals through dozens of times. Fallout 3 was my first when I was in HS back in the early 2000s and then I went back and played everything I could find.
I have always considered myself a fallout superfan.. And I love the show.
I have NEVER expected any fallout content to be perfect. None of them were. NV is just as Janky and full of loose ends and plot holes as ALL the other games.
We're not dealing with a history written in stone. It's a fictional story being told across multiple forms of media that has been continuous for decades now. You can't even expect the Bible to be free of retcons, guys.
I'm thrilled that fallout is so popular now. It means more content.
Bruh, seems like Star Wars Sequels debacle didn't teach you anything.
It was so meh OJ simpson died of Prostate cancer
I’m someone who REALLY enjoyed the show but I can’t really disagree either any of your negative points at all, it’s a great show but it could’ve been better
That uncomfortable moment when the video youre skimming is revealed to be by someone who had an 11 year olds perspective on Fallout 4 when you were 25.
What do you mean? The main quest tells you what the canon ending is the moment you get it: The House Always Wins
I hate how house is shown in this show. They completely changed how he literally was so smart he saved new vegas and determined a nuclear war was inevitable. And the BOS was never these weak nerds. They were a strong and deeply dangerous group that traded having many in number for few in strength. Theyre shown as a joke in the show.
Robert House was literally the smartest person in that conference, so don’t know what you are talking about there. The BOS literally came out on top by the end of the show, and there was literally two major games (Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas) where the BOS elder is a scribe (aka nerd).
@@pmpowalisz they're smart and also strong. The show makes them look weak and incompetent. And for house. He mathematically said it was an inevitable thing that the nuke would fall and his goal was to save new vegas so he could save mankind. None of this makes sense if he was in this meeting and approved of the plan for (step 1. Nuke the world. Step 2. ?????. Step 3. Profit) it's insane to think he would want it. He calls the great war a pollution and folly of a bygone generation.
And this is how we know you never understood the fallout series. This scene is LITERALLY in line with what a character like House would do, plus he was only shown for a few moments, and you think he was shown incorrectly.
You have failed the House test.
I think you bought into House's and the BoS's self-aggrandization a bit too much there. Both have been shown to be not quite as competent as they believe they are.
@@LordDaret house says in the game he had mathematically determined war was inevitable. Not he knew vaulttecj was gonna nuke the US. Why? Because it's a retcon
I didnt watch it, and still refuse to. Its more of Bethesda's bastardization of a Franchise they had no hand in creating. and i dont care what Tim Cain says. this is the same man that came out years after Fallout 3s release and said he hated it. And then gives this " show" a glowing review about the sets.
Unless Bethesda loses the license, dont expect anything good writing from them.
Fallouts 1,2, Tactics, and New Vegas are the Canon timeline.
Now to some other points.
Vaults 31 to 33 cant exist seeing how their right under the nose of both the NCR and located where the Boneyard was. During Fallout 1 the Master was sending out scouts to look for Vaults to break open. Not only did he have access to Records and locations, He also learns about it if you send the water caravans to Vault 13.
The Enclave now have a BASE NEAR the NCR Capital. Regardless of Bethesda claiming they flew to the East Coast, the Enclave forces in California were severely crippled after losing the Oil Rig and The Navarro Air Base to the NCR.
The Ghoul serum, never existed in the games and is now a retcon. Why didnt we hear about it in Fallout 1, 2,, 3, or New Vegas of 4? Because its a new "addition" thats literally a plot contrivance and f*cks the lore for Feral ghouls.
the Bombs dropped around 9:42 am in the morning, and yet they show a Birthday Party around 10 am. When it would have been around 6 on the WEST COAST.
The CEO meeting. Kind of hard for RepCONN to be there. Julia Masters wasnt the CEO, she was the CFO. Chief FINANCIAL OFFICER. and REPCONN WAS Bought out by ROBCO in 2075.
Fredrick Sinclair wasnt the Rep for Big Mountain Research. he was the sole proprieter for the Sierra Madre Casino. a place he had built as a symbol of his love/lust for Singer Vera Keyes.
And that's why nobody takes you people seriously, let me guess, you got your opinion from Mauler shad, Arch, or Synthetic man and your making that your entire personality now.
@@aaronlaughter6471>even though hes completely right
@@jarate8076 If you think they are right, I would suggest the Kurt Cobain special. Because they know jack shit what they are talking about, and hope idiots like you dont have the braincells to rub together.
@@aaronlaughter6471 You're the NPC meme. 😆
You lost nothing. I suffered through this, but only to make notes about its flaws. My brother, who is a HUGE fan of Fallout since 1998, could only watch the first 30 minutes, then he gave up. The show is abysmal and has nothing to do with Fallout.
I disagree with the point that we need to know what the chip is for. The characters have their own reasons to find the chip. The ghoul needs money for his medicine. Lucy needs it to find her dad and maximus needs it so he can go back to the brotherhood. What the chip actually does in the end doesn’t really matter to the characters
every scene with maximus was actually really annoying i hated how incompetent he was at everything he ever does he’s actually so annoying
Just separate the games from the show , cinema and videogames apart , the lore of the show can be its own thing
Im happy me and my dad werent the only one who made fun of the all hail knight maximus thing
It's so bad to compare the show canon with the game canon. Just treat it differently. It doesn't matter what ending the show follows. Either you have a show with solid story, or ruin it without connecting to ANY of the games.
mr house gag at 1:54 made me laugh way too much
2:02 that shit is so fucking funny i actually believe they just pulled a guy off the street and asked him these questions while recording him it's just too good of voice acting to be true
The show is basically “look at this cool thing from the games” and that’s it
5:12 this aspect of the game FO4 was my favorite part. the detective work you can do with a location, as a player, to get a mini story? priceless.
i think this had less to do with the story writers than the game designers, and the average joe workers; who just wanted to make something cool, regardless of the upper ups.
the only reason i don't have more hours in FO4 (almost 500) is the decision at the end when you realize your son is older than you. i paused my play through indefinitely. i couldn't choose because my choice was not there. there also wasn't consequences to the choices i had made previously, at that moment. no re-playability for different outcomes, just re-playability to explore and fight.
also: i only played that much because mod-ers made the game stunning... not least of which was the CBDB [sic] bodies plug-in (not available for men?), better faces for you and companions, and the zipper suit. ;P
6:28 ",,,sets and the environments themselves."
exactly. just like the game i described above. maybe this is some meta logic. i didn't watch more than 10-15 minutes of the series pilot because the initial introduction of the brotherhood looked like a gaggle of limp wristed diversity hires... the healthiest one of the bunch (maximus?) got picked on by weaklings? i left after this. might give another look to see if this is on purpose.
7:06 oh... i might have spoke too soon.
still need to hit the idea that this is purposefully meta humor, stabbed at the lack of a good story.
The most critical fans of the games and the show are the most dedicated fans, to care about the success of its previous elements compared to those who do not give that much insight feedback, just like saying its good, without explaining what makes it good and what elements didn't work well. Most of the people who like this show are the latter and aren't really old fans who've been around since Fallout 4, so they don't know all of Bethesda's misdeeds and false promises by Todd as well as the flaws (And good aspects, sometimes) of their titles.
1:11 now that ladies and gentlemen, what is called a text book definition of an "ass-pull"
This is my first time watching your channel, and i gotta say that i love your humor and editing.
This tv series is the definition of "i clapped when i saw it, i know what that is!". Nothing but key jingling
I find it refreshing how you know so many references (9:58) despite being so damn young. You have my respect sir.
I fine with them picking an ending for New Vegas, the whole point of the games was that everyone was doomed no matter what faction ya choose. The ending slides of the story and The Lonesome Road confirm it.
Huh, I guess you're right. You're just choosing what flags are flying over the decay.
I'm 250 years old and war never changes 😂
Dude, what's the synth music you used in this video? It sounds dope. Also, I caught the White Lines bass line near the end.
ill answer only if you say "wow"
@CSorgini Wow, thanks man. Hope you're not pulling my leg for a free wow.
@@owenwilsonsayingwow haha i believe he used “In Motion” by trent reznor, is the synth sound you are looking for, it belongs to the movie the social network which is a great watch and one of the best films of the last 20 years.
@@CSorgini Yep, that's it. Thanks! It vaguely sounds like Blue Monday by New Order, but I knew that wasn't it.
@@owenwilsonsayingwow haha no problem!
is that qui-gon jin's voice, at 3:42?
Yes Liam Neeson voices the dad in fallout 3
I dont really mind canonizing an ending, theres still different timelines, and the games before pretty much had a cannon or default ending. Everyone wanted a "new vegas 2" If we got a new vegas 2, they'd have to set a canon ending lol, thats how you build apon things and tell an intertwining story
I have always been open to a New Vegas 2, but yes it would be tricky in a sense. I guess they could do something never done before in a game and have you pick which ending you chose in New Vegas to continue a new story based on the ending you chose for the second game. Think of it as basically post game after your New Vegas ending.
todd howard: we didn't change any of the existing lore
meanwhile the lore they speak of: the brotherhood of steel and the enclave are the only two major factions in post war america
I knew his face is familiar, but until this video i didn't noticed, that Hank MacLean is Lynch's Paul Atrede xD
What if the writers keep the ambiguity for FNV ending bc of the Lonesome Road tunnelers. The Tunnelers get to NV and destroy the city so it didn’t matter which ending was chosen and keep continuity.
The Fallout TV show and it's consequences have been a disaster to the Fallout franchise!
Fallout 76 and it's consequences have been a disaster to the Fallout franchise!
Fallout Shelter and it's consequences have been a disaster to the Fallout franchise!
Fallout 4 and it's consequences have been a disaster to the Fallout franchise!
Fallout New Vegas and it's consequences have been a disaster to the Fallout franchise!
Fallout 3 and it's consequences have been a disaster to the Fallout franchise!
Fallout BOS and it's consequences have been a disaster to the Fallout franchise!
Fallout Tactics and it's consequences have been a disaster to the Fallout franchise!
Fallout 2 and it's consequences have been a disaster to the Fallout franchise!
Fallout and it's consequences have been a disaster to the Fallout franchise!
Truth is, the game was rigged from the very start.
Hating Fallout Never Changes
Yeah lol people don’t even realize, if you comb through old gamer forums from the 90’s/early 2000’s, many of the fans of the first game HATED Fallout 2, they thought it ruined everything and was way too goofy
So basically...just ignore everyone else's eternal nitpicking and enjoy the franchise for what it is. Got it.😉👍
@@Comporio The problem is that the show doesnt even make sense in itself.
Nobody says this or does this
It took less than seven minutes into the first episode for me to be yelling at the screen about how stupid and wrong things were. The show had a lot of good props and sets as well as decent acting (carried largely by Goggins), but MAN was the dialogue, worldbuilding and overall plot AWFUL.
The story is mid, the worldbuilding is pretty bad (cold fusion pretty much defeats the purpose of the Mojave campaign, and that's what really killed any willingness to engage with the new lore of it). But media does not have to have a great amazing story to be entertaining and even good - John Wick being my go to example. Turn your brain off, enjoy the ride, and pretend you do not see Shady Sands teleporting across California to explode
Just turn your brain off and have zero standards bro
You say the world building is bad. I think you're just mad that the NCR got blown up like I don't like it. I'm also not a simp for for New Vegas or the NCR so yeah alsop And the reason I called a few fusion doesn't stop the Mojave campaign from being meaningless is the fact it was found after the Mojave campaign
@@luigiwithabeard98 Can you speak English like a normal person? You sound like a child.
It baffles me that a writer's strike ever happened. There's no reason why writers should be going on strike when they continue to write dogshit.
For the past decade it's been the same story. "X show/movie looks visually stunning! But the writing isn't so good."
Meanwhile, artists are the most overworked and underpaid folks in hollywood.
Does anyone in this comment section think a person acting or writing a part in this show would be well served playing the games, to see exactly what they're working with?
Seems this is likely not the case, leaving a cast with little knowledge about what they're doing. That said, Lucy plays a naive, sheeple type of vault dweller. Her role is performed quite solidly, from what I've seen.
My main issue is that despite seeing laser weapons in the show multiple times, we never see them, or any of the other special weapons, used in the show.
The ending of the show, when lucys dad was explaining everything and the battle was going down, that was one of the most epic things ever. He may have been so wrong but his speech gives me chills!
the president kimball thing caught me off guard
My main gripe was setting in the west. I always felt that a fallout show should’ve been set in the Midwest which would be far enough away from both obsidian and Bethesda fallout games and would tell its own story. Hell you can still do the plot with the brotherhood as they have chapters all across the country so it wouldn’t be out of the blue.
whats with the censor bar over people's eyes in the thumbnails nowadays? why is it so overused
idk it looks cool,
me like thing that look cool so me use it
They literally show a modern Los Angeles during the bomb scene, even though there are no infrastructure that looks like modern buildings in the games 😂
I think when it comes to handling new Vegas’s ending, they can go the route of the DUST mod and make it the “ultimate” bad ending, by having the red cloud and maybe tunnelers overrun/destroy the mojave.
This way none of the games endings are “canon” and the game can remain relatively untouched while still incorporating its lore into the canon timeline
I don’t think you understand what the plot actually is. Calling the vault a side story, is wrong. The plot IS vault-tec. Her looking for her father is her goal, but the plot is all about vault-tec. So her brother discovering the secrets, Lucy discovering the horrors of vault 4, and her father being vault tec, etc. that’s the plot. It’s all the same plot. They’re all just learning different ways, and different portions of it. But it’s all one story. But season 1 was basically just setting the stage. Introducing the characters and the direction. And I thought it did great. Took me a few tries to actually get into it though, but once I did I binged it and want more. Also, I hate Maximus. He’s dumb, and annoying. And the actor overacts too much. He thinks he’s Denzel or something. I think norm is fantastic, and has a ton of potential. Lucy is charming, as intended. The ghoul is fantastic. And has the most depth of any character. But I love that they’re telling a new story, and not retelling one we’ve already “lived through”.