Point of information. Ferguson's first name is Harry, not Henry. My Dad started working (senior quality control engineer) for Ferguson in the late 1940's and knew Mr. Ferguson personally. I remember that when Ferguson won the lawsuit, Dad got a nice bonus that year.
The most revolutionary thing about the three point hitch, was the fact that you no longer had to have a half dozen guys hanging around to help you put on or take off implements, so it cut way down on labor costs. One person could handle it. Safety was huge, but the fact, that one person could farm is what sold it! If you had to have a half dozen guys around, you might as well not have a tractor in the first place. Just give 'em sling blades & bush axes and put 'em to work!
They made 9N's for 3 years, and 2N's for 6 years, and all of both tractor's engine serial numbers started with 9N. My guess is the vast majority of today's 9N's are actually 2N's.
Very informative video. I've wondered for years what the difference was. We had an 8N. Bought it used in about 64 in like new condition. Got at least 50 years of work and sold it to a man who totally restored it and had it for sale for $5000. It was just like new. He never even needed to overhaul the engine. It worked fine. Just total cosmetic and tires. Sure was a beloved tractor on our farm.
I used a NAA for years to mow and move dirt. Even with the end loader this tractor was so stable it would slide sideways before rolling over. With the hills on my property it was a big plus. It probably saved my life once when I was mowing around my farm pond. The whole bank gave way due to muskrats undermining it. The tractor just slid sideways into the water but did not tip over. The newer compact tractors replacing these old Fords are unstable and downright dangerous. I nearly rolled my new compact tractor on a gentle slope. The first thing I did was to add spacers to widen the rear wheels six inches but it still isn't nearly as stable as the old tractor. Newer is not always better.
I worked bailing hay in East Texas when I was in high school. I drove all of these, as the man I worked for owned the Ford tractor dealership. We got the almost worn out trade ins. I don't know that you can wear one of these out. I once saw one of these 4 cylinder engines torn down for overhaul where you could stick a finger between the piston and cylinder wall. I could pull a New Holland side delivery rake and make a straight windrow. Because of that talent, I didn''t have to load hay bales. The first day on the job, the man pulling the hay bailer told me if I didn't make straight windrows he would kick my a$$, that he didn't want to have to chase the hay all over the meadow. Motivation at it's most basic level. He meant it too, he was a mean old cuss.
What made the 3-piont so great was the Draft / weight transfer. The harder the plow pulled straight back on the 3-point, the more weight was transfer downward on the rear drive tires. Thus giving the tractor an endless supply of traction. One drawback was a lite front end. So newer, bigger tractors counter this by adding weight to the front end and automatic draft control.
I made a bumper setup to run massey or ford front suitcase weights. I needed the weight to run a massey 25 pto sidedelivery rake. 3 80lb suitcase weights are about perfect. The three point hitch is what makes these tractors great!
I do appreciate your generosity to take the time to make a quality video to share your knowledge regarding Ford tractors. I'm very particular on who I follow but when the minute I saw how you have designed such a unique way to open and utilize your shop door I knew I would like your stuff. I didn't realize that there was such a thing as a cool shop door until now. 🤣 😂😂😂
Fun fact The 8N tractor rear wheel bolt pattern is the same as the Ford big truck of that era. And the steering wheels sometimes came from the truck division also whenever they ran out. There's other parts that where interchangeable with the trucks of that era. There's was also a conversion kit available to put the flat head V8 into them and a 6 cylinder motor to increase PTO horsepower. I believe it was called a Funks conversion kit and came with hood extension and bigger rad.
In my part of the world we see mostly the genuine Fergies. The first time I saw a flat head V8 in what looked like a Fergie, I looked closer and realised it was a Ford version. It was at a tractor museum in Delloraine Tasmania owned by a retired tractor dealer. It didn't have 3 point linkage, I asked him about it and he said it was fully original and was an airfield tractor from WW2. Does anyone here have a similar machine?
Also the engine in the n tractor was basically 1/2 of a flathead v8 of the era. Same valves and guides . Pistons maybe rods . Also the ring and pinion are from the truck line also. Even in 53 when the new tractor came out it was the car and truck engines with 2 cylinders chopped off. One reason why Ford tractors were less expensive. A lot of the parts were already being produced for cars and trucks
@@mikenewman4078 yes there still around they were used as (tugs) to pull planes around the hangers and such. They were shipped all around the world to help with the war.
We had the 6 cylinder 8N when I was growing up. Real beast for some jobs. I drove it to run the crimper, and we used it for anything that needed a lot of pulling power. Only thing Dad didn't like was the governor was slower to operate than on our orange one. I think they put bigger tires all around on them, too.
Growing up in the 70's my dad had a nice 8n tractor he used for lots of things. I still see lots of the N series tractors in use around here in central California.
One of the biggest differences is how on a 9N, the left brake pedal is on the left side of the clutch pedal. They put both brake pedals on the right side of the rear end on the 8N.
Thanks again for an informative video on not just the Ford , as applied to my 1949 2 N . I appreciate all your great informational videos.My favorite farm equipment channel.
about 40 yrs. ago someone I know was standing between the tractor and a trailer he rigged with a small crane to harvest wood . pant leg caught on a bolt on a u- joint of the pto driveshaft to the crane . wrapped his leg . luckily he had a helper that day. he got it shut down and got him to the hospital . probably saved his life and his leg . respect machines ,they feel nothing .
Yeah, I'm trying to do land clearing with a MF Model 30 (similar design) and I am definitely getting an overrunning clutch. Wouldn't be so bad for field work, but all the back-and-forth is hard on the brakes and my nerves.
my dad had the one on the left...taught me to use it cuz he had one leg amputated. i plowed around our trees or shelter belt in spring cuz we lived in country to prevent fire spreading. we had a disc attachment that we used old radiator for weight. we had a plow on the rear which i used to plow snow in our driveway in winter..had to turn blade around to plow in reverse...oh them memories. great video too
My dad had a 9N with the Ibeam radius atm on it. Spent many hours mowing in the summer. Working the garden or grading the driveway. I wish I still had it. Thank you for sharing this great information.
Very nice video. It just isnt what it could be without Gidget. We need Gidget videos. Also, why did you make Kristopher disappear. He needs a channel too.
I grew up on a 9N Ford. Started using it when I was around 8 or 9 years old and I'm 23 now and still use that old tractor to mow during the spring and summer and plow snow in the winter. I never wanna get rid of it.
Great video. But, I think you miss the whole point of the Ferguson system. I can see where it would prevent a tractor from rearing up and over. The Ferguson system used the draught of the plow to give the tractor traction. As a plow is pulled through the ground, the mold boards are pulled down into the ground. As this force got greater, the pressure on the top link also increased. At this time the hydraulic system would lift up a bit. This transferred the draught or downward pressure to the tractor and back wheels giving the tractor more traction. This made it possible for the tractor to pull a bigger plow than would have been possible if it were pulling a trip plow.
my grandpa had a 8n with a square tube frame around it with a fork lift on the back and a big steel crate so you could fill it with weight on the front. we used it all the time for things big and small
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So glad i found this channel from car wizard,had a tractor in my familys ranch in Aguanga CA. Super old never new what it was or its history. But its definitely the 8N!so cool!! Wasnt running for a good 30+ years.but shes running again.
I bought an 8N at an estate auction for $4200.00. I am the second owner. Had just 30 hours on it when I got it. Been using it to mow about 20 acres for over 25 years with very little spent on it to keep it going. Best mower I ever had.
Awesome video! My great Grandpaw bought a used 1946 in 52 that was passed down to my grandfather.. that tractor has been sitting for close to 20 years and we just cleaned her up yesterday and got the engine to turn over, trying to get her started back up today! Anyways... we were unsure if it was 9n or 2n but this cleared it up she’s a 2n
I was put on an 8N at age 6. We had a 9N with the Sherman Shift. I drove it as fast as it would go. My grandfather owned an Allis Chalmers dealership in Lennon, Michigan. He was selling Ford's. Ford came by and told him that those Ford's didn't look good with the Allis Chalmers on the lot. So my grandfather got rid of the Fords. So when my father bought a new John Deere A, my grandfather was not a happy camper. My grandfather stopped selling Allis Chalmers because he couldn't get them. I think they were out on strike in 1947. We'd get 4 row crop combines on a flat car and he'd sell them all. Glynn Brunger sold more Allis Chalmers than anyone. The factory would bring the combines out and go one round and then tear them down. They'd put them back together and go again. Eaglegards...
We rebuilt our old 8N in the garage and put a new clutch in it when I was in high school. Best I remember you have to remove the front axle to change crank bearings and such, but if you just re-sleave and change rings and valve seals and guides you can do it with the tractor in tact.
ALMOST bought a 1940 9N at a local auction in January. It went for $625 which after sales tax and buyers premium meant $750 I decided to not go for it. Mainly because ALL four tires were DEAD which would add about $1000 on top of the purchase. But it was a complete tractor.
My Father had a 1948 Model 8N. We used the heck out of it. We had a field where we attached a bush hog up to it, and moved the snow from the driveway in the winter. When he passed, I had to troubleshoot it since it refused to start. It had fuel, so I replaced the magneto and it woke right up. Just a great machine.
I have a 2N. Believe it's a 1946/1947. It's great for trail maintenance with a box blade. Have also plowed a lot of snow with it. Was going to sell it when I got my NH TC30 with a loader, but it's still so useful and much lighter. Pretty cool to have a true American made piece of history that still works great. Mine also has the Sherman transmission, honestly never use it.
Some of you history isn't quite correct. The hand shake agreement between Henry, and Harry stood until Henry's death. Then his kids who took over the family, no longer honored it, and Harry sued Ford. Harry then came out with his TO series of tractors built to directly compete with the 8N. That competition led to Ford coming out with the Jubilee.
Our neighbor had a 9N I drove as he rode behind on a grain binder back in the early 50’s. After binding and shocking we loaded wagons in the field and hauled the bundles into the threshing machine. The thresher was powered by a 15-30 McCormick. We worked on about 10 different farms. I worked as a driver ($0.25 per hour) or a pitcher loading wagons ($0.75 per hour. That old ford had the Sherman tranny and did well over 20mph. It was great fun to go full speed with a load of field worker riding the hay rack and try to throw them off with a hard brake assisted turn. The Ford wheels were set real wide and it did not even lean when horsed around this way. Not necessarily smart but, definitely fun.
When growing up on farm our tractor had a horses ass ! 🤣 2 horses to pull wagon loaded with sheaves fer threshing. 4 to pull binder, not sure width of it.
Our first tractor was a 9N which allowed our mule team Jen & Jil to retire. The one implement that took a little more time to attach was the side delivery mower.
thirty years ago I spent the entire summer cutting grass with a Ford tractor at a huge summer camp. I would get finished and go back to where I started and the grass would be knee high . I liked that job. Got me interested in trucking which I ended up doing
When my grandfather retired from General Motors and moved back to Arkansas he purchased a Ford 8N tractor and kept it until his death. My uncle came down and sold it since he wasn't going to be moving down here. I learned to drive a tractor by working for a man who owned a Massey Ferguson and it was new at the time in 1965. I later got to drive another guy's Ford tractor which was new during that period, and I ended up buying a John Deere tractor in 2003 and then buying another one in 2017 and have them both today.
We had a Ford 8n when I was growing up in the '60's and early '70's. Ours also had a front loader on it; good memories. Now on my own place I have a nice compact Kioti DK series, it is a work horse!
I grew up driving a NAA. It was a '53. my first time on it, I was 12. It had 12 forward and 3 reverse speeds. It also had a 12 volt conversion. And no sync on the transmission. It was quite amazing to learn to drive on! We have a very steep front yard that I never liked mowing. It was so steep, that when I would go sideways on it, the front wheel would tap like it was about to come off the ground and roll on me! We ended up selling it after the hydraulic seal broke, and we couldn't (and didn't need to) fix it. We replaced it with a ZTS, as that is all it was being used for by then. Hope the new owner did a good restoration on it!
I worked on a lot of 8 Ns in my day. Mowing With a Bushhog attached, without an over running clutch on the PTO, was very scary. That combined with lousy brakes, made it a marginal mower system. The Sherman transmission, was a three speed, with a road speed of 20 mph. It was added between the engine and transmission, and provided a high, low and straight thru range.
Wasn’t there another option of adding a Hupp? Not sure if that’s spelled correctly. Anyway my dad said some farmers put the Ford 6cyl. engine on these with a Sherman and a Hupp for rotary hoe work and they could get fast enough to fling the dirt right up to the back of the tractor. Of course they had to go easy on the clutch or they’d twist off an axle but they could work a lot of ground that way.
Here in Australia the Ford N are rare Some were imported by the US military during WW2, later some were imported, mainly 8NAN (distillate) style. Ford Australia prefered to import the British Fordson tractors rather than American Ford tractors into Australia. P.S. It may have already been mentioned the "old Fergusons" that tipped over were in fact he early US built Fordson tractors.
Don't get me wrong i am all for old tractors, I have several of them. But when I mow my 13 acre filed with my old ford a bush hog and knee high grass it takes 17 gallons of gas. When I use my modern Kubota it takes 6 gallons. there is a 1 hp difference between the two but i do suspect the old ford is a few less ponies with age
I have a 8n, use it with a transmix cement mixer, have a naa that's got a 3pt buzz saw, also have a 841 with a Sherman hi/low auxiliary transmission. High 4th gear is stupid fast.
I was just on one a year ago pulling an old Ford f150 with no front tires I was in 3 gear full throttle and moving an inch a minute it was a blast I left my balls back where I started from that day they said it wouldn't move it well that old Ford N8 proved em all wrong we also cut 2 pieces of I-beam that weighed at least 3 to 400 lb stack them and chained them up front to a ball hitch to keep the front end of the tractor on the ground
I’ve heard stories of my great grandfather shutting off his 8N with a loaded hay wagon and coasting it down the big hill on the way to the barn. Must have really got rolling because that’s one long steep hill.
Both my neighbor and Uncle had 8N tractors when I was young. The neighbor has a side distributor, and my Uncle's tractor had the auxiliary 3 speed side shift transmission, Low-Direct-OD. We used that tractor to pull hay wagons. The OD was nice, I'm guessing it would go about 26 MPH. It was great for empty wagons going back to the fields.
Quite a few of those old tractors here in Texas. My dad has an 8N parked out in his barn, but he doesn't use it anymore. Probably would crank right up if it had new sparkplugs, some fresh gas and an oil change.
In the late forties when I was a child in SW Illinois, a country family came to town on week ends to do their "trading" on an 9N. They had a fairly large wooden box mounted to the 3-point that all but the driver rode in. I wonder whether they utilized the 20 mph capability. Seems it may have been a bit light in the front and hard to steer?? Town, by the way, consisted of 150 people, two stores, three churches, and a tavern.
My Mom grew up near Springfield. Her Dad bought a late model 2N. She recently was telling me how much she HATED driving it. She said she had to get off the seat and STAND on the left brake and clutch to get it to stop and shift since she did not weight very much at 12 years old. My Dad on the other hand LOVED driving an 8N but he was in his early twenties at the time.
one thing here sir ,you fail to talk about the fergerson tractor that was around about the same time! in fact it was ferguson who came up whith the 3 point hitch on the ford tractors and their tractors were valve in head 4 cylinder engines and you could shift on the fly , don't even try this with the above 3 and have you ever found a ford with a funk flat head v8 conversion kit! we had a farmer that had 3 tractors he done this too love what you do sir jerry in newbrunswick canada
The lawsuit was a result of Ford Motor Company breaking the deal, this was done when Henry Ford II started running things and after Henry the original had stepped down. Ford Motor Company was in financial trouble and HFII had the choice to fix it or close it down. It was also Harry Ferguson not Henry If you attach the drawbar UNDER the axle they don't lift as bad, look at most older tractors and the front pin for the draw bar is under and in front of the rear axle. The first Fergusons were pretty much a Ford N series tractor with a Standard-Triumph Engine (TE or Tractor Europe models) or a TO (tractor overseas) with a Continental engine. Ferguson tractors started production in 1948, the same year as the 8N Ford. Ferguson merged with Massey Harris in 1953 and produced MF 35's MF 135's and MF 235's which were all the same basic tractor and took over the mantle of most wide spread farm tractor from the Ford N series , although Leyland/Nuffield made a tractor remarkably similar to the N series/MF X35 up until the early 1980's.
Capt beak close the merger was in 57 my grandpa worked for ford till merger and liked ferguson better and went to work there and stayed till 62 and the only models made till 64 were 35,40,50,65&super 90 135 wasn't produced till 64 and was stopped in 74 in us but was produced in Europe till 79 235 was a crappy model that gave alot of problems on diesels they were produced in 70s or early 80s. And ferguson produced a 35 before the merger but there hard to find they were to35 my grandpa had 1 it was a gas
The n series were good little tractors to be a Ford we had 3 of them 1 8n&2 9ns and 4 ferguson on the farm I grew up on my grandpa was a mechanic for a fird dealer till 52 then he went to work for a ferguson dealer and was guy that showed u how to use your tractor and helped in shop some. He like the fergusons better only because they required less maintenance they are overhead valve engines which only need valves adjustment occasionally ford was flathead and needed valves adjustment more often or they were hard to start but we still cut 35+acres of hay every year with the n series and also worked corn patch which was 10 acres with 9n and pulled cut off saw and about anything else u can think of with them
Hey D, just a little more description for us new guys out here would be nice. 16 bar 27 bar means nothing when your not familiar with the subject. Thanks D. Great video. Jpol.
Besides the Sherman auxiliary transmission which was a dealer installed option, there was another add on optional transmission (also a 3 speed) that went between the transmission and rear differential. I don't know the manufacturer, but it is the one we had on our 9N. The trans lever was on the right side. It didn't have as fast of high gear as stated in this video, maybe somewhere around 16 mph, which is plenty fast on a tractor with really lame brakes.
The Sherman and Hupp aux trans were mounted in front of the main trans, The "problem" with those is that they also changed the PTO speed by the same ratio so were no good for rototilling, etc. There were Howard and Everett transmissions that mounted in the rear and did not effect PTO speed so were used for rototillers and trenchers. They are somewhat rare today.
We are getting an 8n for our first tractor to use in our mowing business. A lady needs some work done one her property and is going to give us the tractor for our labor.😁😁
I used an 8n all my years growing up it had the neatest jack I ever saw it went under the tractor and attached to the 3 point hitch and lifted the entire tractor off the ground. We also had a front loader on it, not much for digging but it saved labor and time putting roofing on houses.
Garry harris was the 8n y'all had with loader a hydraulic dump or rope trip my grandpa traded for a 9n with a loader on it and its hydraulic dump but someone told me that the hydraulic dump was only on 600s he never told me and I don't know for sure
@@jareddavis4755 ours had an old pipe add on front loader it had a hydraulic pump that mounted on the hand crank on front of engine and worked like any front loader but I could put a square of roofing on it and lift it on a roof. But it wouldn't dig well it would pick up dirt from a pile and move it pretty good.
@@garryharris9098 ok ours was used to load coal. Papaw got it from the coal tipple because they got bigger tractor. Our loader wasn't pipe frame it had the same style hydraulic pump you're talking about ours dig ok but mostly used it to lift stuff but it had a hydraulic dump bucket most ive seen were rope dump our loader was an actual ford loader maybe the coal company ordered it with hydraulic dump idk
@@garryharris9098 ive still got the loader but pap sold the 8n it was on it was too fast for loader he bought a 9n or 2n I'm not sure on year with the special front axle for hydraulic pump but we never got to mount loader before he passed I still have tractor and all parts&pieces I want to find a Sherman conversion transmission to go on paps 9n or buy another 9n with Sherman transmission already in it and put loader on it
I used to have a Ford 8N with all the attachments. When my late wife passed away I saw no reason to keep the old gal and sold everything. Sure wish I had kept the tractor.
Our 8N went warp factor 10 once when I was coming down a hill with a load of hay and she jumped out of gear! My mom said she something similar happen to her bringing in a load of hay when a rattlesnake spooked the horses. :)
I still have a 1940 9N. It has a Dearborn buzz saw on the 3 pt. Runs off a belt pulley mounted to the pro. I do a couple videos where I feature the tractor in use. Very happy with it. Works as good as it did new.
At a recent local auction there was an early 1940 built 9N up for sale. They called it a Vintage Tractor. Looked up the serial number off the motor and sure enough 13391 which means in was built early in 1940 considering they finished the year in the 46,000 range of numbers.
I looked at a few old 8N tractors, neat looking But lack of any real performance. So glad I waited and found me a nice old Massey Ferguson. This thing is a work horse!
We bought our first Ferguson TE20 in 1955 and is still working in 2022. The entire Ferguson, Harris Ferguson, Massey Ferguson manufactured in Banner Lane and Coventry tractor manufacturing plants have brought revolution 😀 to the agricultural industry around the world. Very reliable, economical and affordable as well as long life machines.
Thank you for this I just bought a 8n according to your wheel description. I noticed the front Ford emblem is missing do you know where I can get an original? I haven’t picked it up yet but just noticed it from the photos. Thanks Tom
Point of information. Ferguson's first name is Harry, not Henry. My Dad started working (senior quality control engineer) for Ferguson in the late 1940's and knew Mr. Ferguson personally. I remember that when Ferguson won the lawsuit, Dad got a nice bonus that year.
The most revolutionary thing about the three point hitch, was the fact that you no longer had to have a half dozen guys hanging around to help you put on or take off implements, so it cut way down on labor costs. One person could handle it. Safety was huge, but the fact, that one person could farm is what sold it! If you had to have a half dozen guys around, you might as well not have a tractor in the first place. Just give 'em sling blades & bush axes and put 'em to work!
They made 9N's for 3 years, and 2N's for 6 years, and all of both tractor's engine serial numbers started with 9N. My guess is the vast majority of today's 9N's are actually 2N's.
Very informative video. I've wondered for years what the difference was. We had an 8N. Bought it used in about 64 in like new condition. Got at least 50 years of work and sold it to a man who totally restored it and had it for sale for $5000. It was just like new. He never even needed to overhaul the engine. It worked fine. Just total cosmetic and tires. Sure was a beloved tractor on our farm.
I used a NAA for years to mow and move dirt. Even with the end loader this tractor was so stable it would slide sideways before rolling over. With the hills on my property it was a big plus. It probably saved my life once when I was mowing around my farm pond. The whole bank gave way due to muskrats undermining it. The tractor just slid sideways into the water but did not tip over. The newer compact tractors replacing these old Fords are unstable and downright dangerous. I nearly rolled my new compact tractor on a gentle slope. The first thing I did was to add spacers to widen the rear wheels six inches but it still isn't nearly as stable as the old tractor. Newer is not always better.
I worked bailing hay in East Texas when I was in high school. I drove all of these, as the man I worked for owned the Ford tractor dealership. We got the almost worn out trade ins. I don't know that you can wear one of these out. I once saw one of these 4 cylinder engines torn down for overhaul where you could stick a finger between the piston and cylinder wall.
I could pull a New Holland side delivery rake and make a straight windrow. Because of that talent, I didn''t have to load hay bales. The first day on the job, the man pulling the hay bailer told me if I didn't make straight windrows he would kick my a$$, that he didn't want to have to chase the hay all over the meadow. Motivation at it's most basic level. He meant it too, he was a mean old cuss.
What made the 3-piont so great was the Draft / weight transfer. The harder the plow pulled straight back on the 3-point, the more weight was transfer downward on the rear drive tires. Thus giving the tractor an endless supply of traction.
One drawback was a lite front end. So newer, bigger tractors counter this by adding weight to the front end and automatic draft control.
I made a bumper setup to run massey or ford front suitcase weights. I needed the weight to run a massey 25 pto sidedelivery rake. 3 80lb suitcase weights are about perfect.
The three point hitch is what makes these tractors great!
I do appreciate your generosity to take the time to make a quality video to share your knowledge regarding Ford tractors. I'm very particular on who I follow but when the minute I saw how you have designed such a unique way to open and utilize your shop door I knew I would like your stuff. I didn't realize that there was such a thing as a cool shop door until now. 🤣 😂😂😂
My neighbor just gave me 1946 Ford Ferguson tractor and it works! Thank you for the tips I learned so much from your video 🙏🏻🙏🏽
Fun fact
The 8N tractor rear wheel bolt pattern is the same as the Ford big truck of that era. And the steering wheels sometimes came from the truck division also whenever they ran out.
There's other parts that where interchangeable with the trucks of that era.
There's was also a conversion kit available to put the flat head V8 into them and a 6 cylinder motor to increase PTO horsepower. I believe it was called a Funks conversion kit and came with hood extension and bigger rad.
The thing of it was that six had 10 more horsepower than the V8 at the time
In my part of the world we see mostly the genuine Fergies. The first time I saw a flat head V8 in what looked like a Fergie, I looked closer and realised it was a Ford version. It was at a tractor museum in Delloraine Tasmania owned by a retired tractor dealer. It didn't have 3 point linkage, I asked him about it and he said it was fully original and was an airfield tractor from WW2.
Does anyone here have a similar machine?
Also the engine in the n tractor was basically 1/2 of a flathead v8 of the era. Same valves and guides . Pistons maybe rods . Also the ring and pinion are from the truck line also. Even in 53 when the new tractor came out it was the car and truck engines with 2 cylinders chopped off. One reason why Ford tractors were less expensive. A lot of the parts were already being produced for cars and trucks
@@mikenewman4078 yes there still around they were used as (tugs) to pull planes around the hangers and such. They were shipped all around the world to help with the war.
We had the 6 cylinder 8N when I was growing up. Real beast for some jobs. I drove it to run the crimper, and we used it for anything that needed a lot of pulling power. Only thing Dad didn't like was the governor was slower to operate than on our orange one. I think they put bigger tires all around on them, too.
Growing up in the 70's my dad had a nice 8n tractor he used for lots of things. I still see lots of the N series tractors in use around here in central California.
Man I LOVE those tractors! We had a 1941 Furgeson Ford 9N and it was part of the family. Thanks so much for this!
This kind of history lesson video is the best. Very good and informative
One of the biggest differences is how on a 9N, the left brake pedal is on the left side of the clutch pedal. They put both brake pedals on the right side of the rear end on the 8N.
Thanks again for an informative video on not just the Ford , as applied to my 1949 2 N .
I appreciate all your great informational videos.My favorite farm equipment channel.
1949 would have been an 8N.
The pto straight to a bushog on those old tractors have put a lot of folks in places they didnt want to go.
I loaned my old 2000 to a friend and he ran it into his house.
I had a trailer style bushog hooked to a Allis WC that took me down a bank. Didn't hurt anything but, WOW what a ride.
I bent a piece of conduit about 2 ft long and slipped it over the lever for the PTO so it was right beside me.
about 40 yrs. ago someone I know was standing between the tractor and a trailer he rigged with a small crane to harvest wood . pant leg caught on a bolt on a u- joint of the pto driveshaft to the crane . wrapped his leg . luckily he had a helper that day. he got it shut down and got him to the hospital . probably saved his life and his leg . respect machines ,they feel nothing .
Yeah, I'm trying to do land clearing with a MF Model 30 (similar design) and I am definitely getting an overrunning clutch. Wouldn't be so bad for field work, but all the back-and-forth is hard on the brakes and my nerves.
my dad had the one on the left...taught me to use it cuz he had one leg amputated. i plowed around our trees or shelter belt in spring cuz we lived in country to prevent fire spreading. we had a disc attachment that we used old radiator for weight. we had a plow on the rear which i used to plow snow in our driveway in winter..had to turn blade around to plow in reverse...oh them memories. great video too
My dad had a 9N with the Ibeam radius atm on it. Spent many hours mowing in the summer. Working the garden or grading the driveway. I wish I still had it. Thank you for sharing this great information.
Very nice video. It just isnt what it could be without Gidget. We need Gidget videos. Also, why did you make Kristopher disappear. He needs a channel too.
I grew up on a 9N Ford. Started using it when I was around 8 or 9 years old and I'm 23 now and still use that old tractor to mow during the spring and summer and plow snow in the winter. I never wanna get rid of it.
Great video. But, I think you miss the whole point of the Ferguson system. I can see where it would prevent a tractor from rearing up and over. The Ferguson system used the draught of the plow to give the tractor traction. As a plow is pulled through the ground, the mold boards are pulled down into the ground. As this force got greater, the pressure on the top link also increased. At this time the hydraulic system would lift up a bit. This transferred the draught or downward pressure to the tractor and back wheels giving the tractor more traction. This made it possible for the tractor to pull a bigger plow than would have been possible if it were pulling a trip plow.
my grandpa had a 8n with a square tube frame around it with a fork lift on the back and a big steel crate so you could fill it with weight on the front. we used it all the time for things big and small
Just found your channel through the car wizard and it's awesome!
Well welcome to crazy D's equipment thank you for coming in and watching I hope you enjoying our videos here little different genres then the wizard but we try to keep them as interesting as possible
So glad i found this channel from car wizard,had a tractor in my familys ranch in Aguanga CA. Super old never new what it was or its history. But its definitely the 8N!so cool!! Wasnt running for a good 30+ years.but shes running again.
Glad to hear you brought the old girl back to life
I think I was 12 when I started mowing with our a 9in Ford it has the overdrive in a front end loader with a trip lever for the bucket
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I bought an 8N at an estate auction for $4200.00. I am the second owner. Had just 30 hours on it when I got it. Been using it to mow about 20 acres for over 25 years with very little spent on it to keep it going. Best mower I ever had.
Awesome video! My great Grandpaw bought a used 1946 in 52 that was passed down to my grandfather.. that tractor has been sitting for close to 20 years and we just cleaned her up yesterday and got the engine to turn over, trying to get her started back up today! Anyways... we were unsure if it was 9n or 2n but this cleared it up she’s a 2n
I was put on an 8N at age 6. We had a 9N with the Sherman Shift. I drove it as fast as it would go. My grandfather owned an Allis Chalmers dealership in Lennon, Michigan. He was selling Ford's. Ford came by and told him that those Ford's didn't look good with the Allis Chalmers on the lot. So my grandfather got rid of the Fords. So when my father bought a new John Deere A, my grandfather was not a happy camper. My grandfather stopped selling Allis Chalmers because he couldn't get them. I think they were out on strike in 1947. We'd get 4 row crop combines on a flat car and he'd sell them all. Glynn Brunger sold more Allis Chalmers than anyone. The factory would bring the combines out and go one round and then tear them down. They'd put them back together and go again. Eaglegards...
I am buying an 8n to restore with my kids this fall. For sure the most used mowing tractor on the planet.
I got an 8n last fall!!! You can see it on my channel if you like!!!
We rebuilt our old 8N in the garage and put a new clutch in it when I was in high school. Best I remember you have to remove the front axle to change crank bearings and such, but if you just re-sleave and change rings and valve seals and guides you can do it with the tractor in tact.
I have the original firestone tire from 1947 on my 8n
You have been very helpful. This is truly a GOLDEN (Jubilee) video.
Just bought a 46 8N yesterday and I'm already in love.
ALMOST bought a 1940 9N at a local auction in January. It went for $625 which after sales tax and buyers premium meant $750 I decided to not go for it. Mainly because ALL four tires were DEAD which would add about $1000 on top of the purchase. But it was a complete tractor.
8N didn’t debut until 1948. It’s either not a 46, or if it is a 46 it’s actually a 2N.
Got me a 9n its the best antidepressant on earth...
I have a case backhoe,4020 jd,8030 allis,still like getting on the 9n the most.
My Father had a 1948 Model 8N. We used the heck out of it. We had a field where we attached a bush hog up to it, and moved the snow from the driveway in the winter. When he passed, I had to troubleshoot it since it refused to start. It had fuel, so I replaced the magneto and it woke right up. Just a great machine.
I have a 2N. Believe it's a 1946/1947. It's great for trail maintenance with a box blade. Have also plowed a lot of snow with it. Was going to sell it when I got my NH TC30 with a loader, but it's still so useful and much lighter. Pretty cool to have a true American made piece of history that still works great. Mine also has the Sherman transmission, honestly never use it.
Some of you history isn't quite correct. The hand shake agreement between Henry, and Harry stood until Henry's death. Then his kids who took over the family, no longer honored it, and Harry sued Ford. Harry then came out with his TO series of tractors built to directly compete with the 8N. That competition led to Ford coming out with the Jubilee.
Our neighbor had a 9N I drove as he rode behind on a grain binder back in the early 50’s. After binding and shocking we loaded wagons in the field and hauled the bundles into the threshing machine. The thresher was powered by a 15-30 McCormick. We worked on about 10 different farms. I worked as a driver ($0.25 per hour) or a pitcher loading wagons ($0.75 per hour. That old ford had the Sherman tranny and did well over 20mph. It was great fun to go full speed with a load of field worker riding the hay rack and try to throw them off with a hard brake assisted turn. The Ford wheels were set real wide and it did not even lean when horsed around this way. Not necessarily smart but, definitely fun.
When growing up on farm our tractor had a horses ass ! 🤣
2 horses to pull wagon loaded with sheaves fer threshing. 4 to pull binder, not sure width of it.
I remember when we had a 8N, really good tractor
just foundout about this channel, great stuff subbed
Our first tractor was a 9N which allowed our mule team Jen & Jil to retire. The one implement that took a little more time to attach was the side delivery mower.
Before I watched this video they all looked the same. Thanks for a great info packed video Crazy D!
I grew up on that 8N and it works like a charm.
I love the Ford 8n’s! That’s some cool info been working with tractors for a while now but didn’t know that about the three point!
The 9N had a flat head engine, the Jubilee had an overhead valve engine. A little more HP and torque.
The best part of the Jubilee was the live hydraulics, which didn’t require the PTO to be on to operate.
first OHV was in 1953
learned a lot, my compliments sir
Fantastic and informative. I learned a lot. Is there a difference between where the distributor is placed between the two? Thanks !
thirty years ago I spent the entire summer cutting grass with a Ford tractor at a huge summer camp. I would get finished and go back to where I started and the grass would be knee high . I liked that job. Got me interested in trucking which I ended up doing
When my grandfather retired from General Motors and moved back to Arkansas he purchased a Ford 8N tractor and kept it until his death. My uncle came down and sold it since he wasn't going to be moving down here. I learned to drive a tractor by working for a man who owned a Massey Ferguson and it was new at the time in 1965. I later got to drive another guy's Ford tractor which was new during that period, and I ended up buying a John Deere tractor in 2003 and then buying another one in 2017 and have them both today.
We had a Ford 8n when I was growing up in the '60's and early '70's. Ours also had a front loader on it; good memories. Now on my own place I have a nice compact Kioti DK series, it is a work horse!
I grew up driving a NAA. It was a '53. my first time on it, I was 12. It had 12 forward and 3 reverse speeds. It also had a 12 volt conversion.
And no sync on the transmission.
It was quite amazing to learn to drive on!
We have a very steep front yard that I never liked mowing. It was so steep, that when I would go sideways on it, the front wheel would tap like it was about to come off the ground and roll on me!
We ended up selling it after the hydraulic seal broke, and we couldn't (and didn't need to) fix it.
We replaced it with a ZTS, as that is all it was being used for by then.
Hope the new owner did a good restoration on it!
I have gone 25. It was fine until you got to a corner. ;)
The 8n on my uncle’s farm was the very first vehicle I learned to drive on! I was probably 6 or so.
I worked on a lot of 8 Ns in my day. Mowing With a Bushhog attached, without an over running clutch on the PTO, was very scary. That combined with lousy brakes, made it a marginal mower system.
The Sherman transmission, was a three speed, with a road speed of 20 mph. It was added between the engine and transmission, and provided a high, low and straight thru range.
i still mow with mine, its a great machine
Wasn’t there another option of adding a Hupp? Not sure if that’s spelled correctly. Anyway my dad said some farmers put the Ford 6cyl. engine on these with a Sherman and a Hupp for rotary hoe work and they could get fast enough to fling the dirt right up to the back of the tractor. Of course they had to go easy on the clutch or they’d twist off an axle but they could work a lot of ground that way.
@@tbthedozer never heard of hupp conversons only funk ones, it's basically a Flathead v8 swap
Great video. I had been wondering this lately. Cuz I see so many of these.
They had an 8n tractor when I worked on construction in the 70s that thing got worked hard and just kept on going.
I like the music in the early part of the video. Can you tell what it is and where I can get it?
Good video sir. Good to see you.
Here in Australia the Ford N are rare Some were imported by the US military during WW2, later some were imported, mainly 8NAN (distillate) style. Ford Australia prefered to import the British Fordson tractors rather than American Ford tractors into Australia. P.S. It may have already been mentioned the "old Fergusons" that tipped over were in fact he early US built Fordson tractors.
20 mph is perfect for rush hour in the city! Crazy D.... How do you know so much? Did you farm as a kid? Great video
Thanks for your knowledge. I wasn't sure if my tractor was a 9 or 2.
it also says if it's a 9n or 2n or 8n on the side of the motor by the oil filter
Becareful some of the 2n has 9n on the block.
Really great interesting stuff mate. Cheers eh
thank u brother it was very helpful
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Also was great for making windrows after mowing. I know that was my job on my uncle's farm when I was growing up. It really was a little workhorse.
Very informative video. I even learned some stuff about the differences in those tractors. Lol
Don't get me wrong i am all for old tractors, I have several of them. But when I mow my 13 acre filed with my old ford a bush hog and knee high grass it takes 17 gallons of gas. When I use my modern Kubota it takes 6 gallons. there is a 1 hp difference between the two but i do suspect the old ford is a few less ponies with age
I have a 8n, use it with a transmix cement mixer, have a naa that's got a 3pt buzz saw, also have a 841 with a Sherman hi/low auxiliary transmission. High 4th gear is stupid fast.
I've done 25 in top gear. It gets scary!!!!
I was just on one a year ago pulling an old Ford f150 with no front tires I was in 3 gear full throttle and moving an inch a minute it was a blast I left my balls back where I started from that day they said it wouldn't move it well that old Ford N8 proved em all wrong we also cut 2 pieces of I-beam that weighed at least 3 to 400 lb stack them and chained them up front to a ball hitch to keep the front end of the tractor on the ground
The I beam radius rods are on all 9Ns. They switched to the tubular style in mid 1944, 2 years into the 2N production run.
Yep!
driving 20mph is fine. It's stopping with a wagon that gets you.
Stopping with a loaded Wagon.
stopping an overloaded dump trailer is also a humbling experience...
No worse than doing 45mph with one of the new Chinese 3 wheel mopeds, LOL
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I’ve heard stories of my great grandfather shutting off his 8N with a loaded hay wagon and coasting it down the big hill on the way to the barn. Must have really got rolling because that’s one long steep hill.
We have a 1010 JD that reminds me of the old N series Fords in many ways.
Both my neighbor and Uncle had 8N tractors when I was young. The neighbor has a side distributor, and my Uncle's tractor had the auxiliary 3 speed side shift transmission, Low-Direct-OD. We used that tractor to pull hay wagons. The OD was nice, I'm guessing it would go about 26 MPH. It was great for empty wagons going back to the fields.
Quite a few of those old tractors here in Texas. My dad has an 8N parked out in his barn, but he doesn't use it anymore. Probably would crank right up if it had new sparkplugs, some fresh gas and an oil change.
I inherited my Dad’s Harry. I loved it as a kid and still do.
great info thanks
..."Old Ferguson Tractors" flipping over... I think you are referring to the Old Fordson F tractors, not Fergusons....
In the late forties when I was a child in SW Illinois, a country family came to town on week ends to do their "trading" on an 9N. They had a fairly large wooden box mounted to the 3-point that all but the driver rode in. I wonder whether they utilized the 20 mph capability. Seems it may have been a bit light in the front and hard to steer?? Town, by the way, consisted of 150 people, two stores, three churches, and a tavern.
My Mom grew up near Springfield. Her Dad bought a late model 2N. She recently was telling me how much she HATED driving it. She said she had to get off the seat and STAND on the left brake and clutch to get it to stop and shift since she did not weight very much at 12 years old. My Dad on the other hand LOVED driving an 8N but he was in his early twenties at the time.
one thing here sir ,you fail to talk about the fergerson tractor that was around about the same time! in fact it was ferguson who came up whith the 3 point hitch on the ford tractors and their tractors were valve in head 4 cylinder engines and you could shift on the fly , don't even try this with the above 3 and have you ever found a ford with a funk flat head v8 conversion kit! we had a farmer that had 3 tractors he done this too love what you do sir jerry in newbrunswick canada
The lawsuit was a result of Ford Motor Company breaking the deal, this was done when Henry Ford II started running things and after Henry the original had stepped down. Ford Motor Company was in financial trouble and HFII had the choice to fix it or close it down. It was also Harry Ferguson not Henry If you attach the drawbar UNDER the axle they don't lift as bad, look at most older tractors and the front pin for the draw bar is under and in front of the rear axle. The first Fergusons were pretty much a Ford N series tractor with a Standard-Triumph Engine (TE or Tractor Europe models) or a TO (tractor overseas) with a Continental engine. Ferguson tractors started production in 1948, the same year as the 8N Ford. Ferguson merged with Massey Harris in 1953 and produced MF 35's MF 135's and MF 235's which were all the same basic tractor and took over the mantle of most wide spread farm tractor from the Ford N series , although Leyland/Nuffield made a tractor remarkably similar to the N series/MF X35 up until the early 1980's.
Capt beak close the merger was in 57 my grandpa worked for ford till merger and liked ferguson better and went to work there and stayed till 62 and the only models made till 64 were 35,40,50,65&super 90 135 wasn't produced till 64 and was stopped in 74 in us but was produced in Europe till 79 235 was a crappy model that gave alot of problems on diesels they were produced in 70s or early 80s. And ferguson produced a 35 before the merger but there hard to find they were to35 my grandpa had 1 it was a gas
The n series were good little tractors to be a Ford we had 3 of them 1 8n&2 9ns and 4 ferguson on the farm I grew up on my grandpa was a mechanic for a fird dealer till 52 then he went to work for a ferguson dealer and was guy that showed u how to use your tractor and helped in shop some. He like the fergusons better only because they required less maintenance they are overhead valve engines which only need valves adjustment occasionally ford was flathead and needed valves adjustment more often or they were hard to start but we still cut 35+acres of hay every year with the n series and also worked corn patch which was 10 acres with 9n and pulled cut off saw and about anything else u can think of with them
i worked on some of them old tractors when i started to work in 1955
Restored a 9N. Loved it.
Hey D, just a little more description for us new guys out here would be nice. 16 bar 27 bar means nothing when your not familiar with the subject. Thanks D. Great video. Jpol.
My mother has an 8n We bought it in the early 80's. 6 volt system still used and runs great. SWe use it for discing her 2 1/2 acres
Besides the Sherman auxiliary transmission which was a dealer installed option, there was another add on optional transmission (also a 3 speed) that went between the transmission and rear differential. I don't know the manufacturer, but it is the one we had on our 9N. The trans lever was on the right side. It didn't have as fast of high gear as stated in this video, maybe somewhere around 16 mph, which is plenty fast on a tractor with really lame brakes.
The Sherman and Hupp aux trans were mounted in front of the main trans, The "problem" with those is that they also changed the PTO speed by the same ratio so were no good for rototilling, etc.
There were Howard and Everett transmissions that mounted in the rear and did not effect PTO speed so were used for rototillers and trenchers. They are somewhat rare today.
What's the ground speed of a 9n with a Sherman underdrive I was thinking of using a 9n for roto tilling ?
We are getting an 8n for our first tractor to use in our mowing business. A lady needs some work done one her property and is going to give us the tractor for our labor.😁😁
I used an 8n all my years growing up it had the neatest jack I ever saw it went under the tractor and attached to the 3 point hitch and lifted the entire tractor off the ground. We also had a front loader on it, not much for digging but it saved labor and time putting roofing on houses.
Garry harris was the 8n y'all had with loader a hydraulic dump or rope trip my grandpa traded for a 9n with a loader on it and its hydraulic dump but someone told me that the hydraulic dump was only on 600s he never told me and I don't know for sure
@@jareddavis4755 ours had an old pipe add on front loader it had a hydraulic pump that mounted on the hand crank on front of engine and worked like any front loader but I could put a square of roofing on it and lift it on a roof. But it wouldn't dig well it would pick up dirt from a pile and move it pretty good.
@@garryharris9098 ok ours was used to load coal. Papaw got it from the coal tipple because they got bigger tractor. Our loader wasn't pipe frame it had the same style hydraulic pump you're talking about ours dig ok but mostly used it to lift stuff but it had a hydraulic dump bucket most ive seen were rope dump our loader was an actual ford loader maybe the coal company ordered it with hydraulic dump idk
@@garryharris9098 ive still got the loader but pap sold the 8n it was on it was too fast for loader he bought a 9n or 2n I'm not sure on year with the special front axle for hydraulic pump but we never got to mount loader before he passed I still have tractor and all parts&pieces I want to find a Sherman conversion transmission to go on paps 9n or buy another 9n with Sherman transmission already in it and put loader on it
They should be orange ! made my day
I'll end up getting one for this exact reason; they're perfect to mow with. I'm going to get one to manage a food plot and to mow trails
I used to have a Ford 8N with all the attachments. When my late wife passed away I saw no reason to keep the old gal and sold everything. Sure wish I had kept the tractor.
I overhauled my 1948 8n Ford tractor. Runs perfect at first then has NO power. What's wrong????
@@marydixon5497, had a similar problem with mine. Turned out the coil was going bad. New aftermarket coil and she ran like new.
Would be interesting to see a video showing the differences between the tractors...
Our 8N went warp factor 10 once when I was coming down a hill with a load of hay and she jumped out of gear! My mom said she something similar happen to her bringing in a load of hay when a rattlesnake spooked the horses. :)
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I still have a 1940 9N. It has a Dearborn buzz saw on the 3 pt. Runs off a belt pulley mounted to the pro. I do a couple videos where I feature the tractor in use. Very happy with it. Works as good as it did new.
At a recent local auction there was an early 1940 built 9N up for sale. They called it a Vintage Tractor. Looked up the serial number off the motor and sure enough 13391 which means in was built early in 1940 considering they finished the year in the 46,000 range of numbers.
I looked at a few old 8N tractors, neat looking
But lack of any real performance.
So glad I waited and found me a nice old Massey Ferguson.
This thing is a work horse!
We bought our first Ferguson TE20 in 1955 and is still working in 2022. The entire Ferguson, Harris Ferguson, Massey Ferguson manufactured in Banner Lane and Coventry tractor manufacturing plants have brought revolution 😀 to the agricultural industry around the world. Very reliable, economical and affordable as well as long life machines.
Thank you for this I just bought a 8n according to your wheel description. I noticed the front Ford emblem is missing do you know where I can get an original? I haven’t picked it up yet but just noticed it from the photos. Thanks Tom
You could probably find them on eBay
I have a 1951 8N that I have owned for 44 years use it all time quite a tractor it is resting in barn hall ready for tomorrow's work.
how about a PTO driven auger or trencher how would they do at that?
my favorite tractor on my small farm
I used an 8N for snowplowing until 1995, when I was 33, I bought a new truck & a plow.
I learned how to drive on a N8 still love them
More great information!
Which one can hook up to a front end loader?