Awesome video ! These are all work horse icons from days gone by. Thanks for refreshing the memory of an old farm boy who is 40 years removed from the farm.
Great Vid! I'm a New -Old Fergy Owner It's amazing how prevalent these old tractors were & still are! 70yrs later they are Still used Daily around the World! It's a Testament to their Great Design & Affordability compared to Larger Tractors that were Needed before the 3 point Hydraulic Linkage came along! -Cheers👍🇦🇺
I operated a Fergy in Australia in the 50s, with a backhoe connected. A lovely tractor, small but able to do many big jobs. Whatever the work, it was always so easy and pleasant to drive. More like fun than work!
I have a 1940 9N Ford and have the factory Dearborn buzz saw on it. Great little tractor. I am the 3rd owner( my Dad was the 2nd owner) This one has been on this farm since 1960. Still working to this day. New subscriber here
Thabk you so much for the help. I inherited an 8n from my dad a couple weeks ago, who inherited it from my great grandfather late last year. I'm bringing it to shows because it's in such good condition. I'm 23 and don't have much knowledge about it other than what they had taught me. I'm a car gal so I already understand enough, but this helps a lot. Thank you very much.
Great video, I purchased a 1949 8N, I installed new seals in both axles, new brakes and hardware, new carburetor, electronic ignition, and a 12v charging system. It sat at my cabin all winter ( Northern Canada ) I put the battery back in and she fired right up.. I use it for hauling supplies and fire wood into the cabin.
That's probably the best (most accurate) video I've seen about the n series and Ferguson relationships and differences 👍 I grew up around these tractors mostly with my dad using my grandfather's 9n and now I have my great uncle's 2N. It's amazing how well they hold there own against tractors 70-80 years newer. I also have a TC 29 new holland. I was surprised that the 2N having draft control actually does better scrapeing gravel than the TC29....
I had a 1949 8N, It had the front distributor and a 3 speed trans with a overdrive for traveling, I bought mine for grading snow, and it had a front end loader stock. I loved it, always started.
Have a 1956 grey Ferguson,am living in France,tractor was going for scrap. Swapped it for some fishing gear. A friend. Feguson mechanic helped me rebuild the engine completely. Two years later had to split in half to change twisted pto shaft to change oil seal. New pto spline i run ten implements now love it. Have a new 4x4 tractor with loader for most stuff, but use the petit gris when ever I can. Lots of torque,character,no safety stuff. Love it
I first operated a 9n then a 8n as a young man on the farm. One thing thatn makes it easy to tell th difference is 9n has a brake peddle on each side and the 8n both rear wheel brakes on the right side. I am now 73 so it has been a good number of years since the early 60"s.
As a kid growing up on the farm the 8N was my hot rod, could shift all gears on the go,could get it sideways a bit going around a corner , on dirt that is, could do a tuneup on it when I was 10 the front distributor was difficult, my dad would take it to get the cows in morning and if the grass was wet the damn thing would quit, by 10 o'clock in the morning the thing would fire right up,it didn't like early mornings, I guess I didn't much either lol, good video!!
Stumbled across your video & very much enjoyed it. You definitely know your old Ns. I grew up with the N series tractors, did some serious farming with a 52 8N. Way ahead of its time & still a very usable tractor today. Not many have held the test of time like these old machines. I now collect, restore & enjoy them in my older years. No they are not modern but vintage machines ready for work when needed. Never had a Ferguson but may add one to my collection someday. Almost bought a more modern 1000 series at auction today but the old Ns are hard to beat and I know them inside & out. I believe more implements & accessories were made for these old Fords than any of the others. If you know how to properly operate these old machines, they are very safe with their low center of gravity. I have used them in some serouis steep hill county and never flipped or had any accident with one. Keep them maitained and they will not let you down. They were designed for the average farmer to do most repairs with minimal tools and skills. You can't buy anything today like that!
Can't remember exactly. we got our 4000 new in 68 sprung comfortable seat it was a race to get the yard work done and the feeding to get first out in the field dad recond it was worth it's mony just for that.
I used to have an old 8N along with the plows, box blade, bush hog and other implements. Then my precious gift from God that was my wife passed away (22+ years ago) and I just couldn't see a need for them anymore and sold the whole lot. That was one tough little machine and fun to operate.
My cousin has an 8N loader tractor. He uses it for pushing snow during the winter and building dirt bike jumps at his home in the suburbs. I still see 8N's around the city with the boom pole on the back from "TSC" with a come along on it. The people in the city use the boom pole to move heavy things around their yard and load engines in the back of their pickup. They also work good for lifting the concrete steps assemblies away from the old grandma houses and carrying them away. Those concrete steps must weigh a good 1200lbs.
Thank You, You are first one I have " talked to " who knew what small lever under seat was for. ( Up is position control - Down is draft control. ) You now know I have a 8N, !951 according to S/N Fun tractor !
I have an old '49 Ferguson TO20 . My oil filter is in the oil pan. You have to drop a round center cap down to get to it. I also have the added tool box that bolts on the front of the gas tank by the radiator. Pretty cool old tractor. Love the video. Very informative.
Great video. I learned a lot. I have a few Fergusons, they still populated farms in my youth but I learned to drive on a Massey Ferguson 135. Thanks for sharing your knowledge & enthusiasm. Keep up the good work.
Were very lucky in that a salvage tractor supplier here in Oregon called us a few years ago & told us to come soon as they had a special find for us!! Upon entering their yard we saw the tractor! It was a late model 8N with a Freeman loader & an over / under transmission with 12 speeds! 4 under , 4 over & 4 standard ratio main transmission with what was apparently a fairly recent rebuilt engine that was also converted to a 1 wire 12 volt - ground system. The catch was the clutch was SHOT! We have never replaced a clutch that the throw out was missing almost all the ball bearings! Once the clutch was replaced by us & a new fuel valve w/ bowl assembly was done it runs well & the loader is able to lift 9 or 10 feet high with at least a 800# capacity. Have never tried high gear in the overdrive on the additional speed range transmission. 4 high in main transmission is plenty fast. These tractors can be used for tilling but the secret is to till the ground in neutral gear & allow the tiller to push tractor forward in hard ground. Later after initial ground breaking then one can use a low gear at just above idle to finish with ground preparation. Very fortunate as the 1st 8N that came with farm had a Farmhand loader & all 3 8N`s we have are side mount distributors.
I had a 48 8N loved it. I had a one bottom flip plow,disc,rake,harrow,blade. I grew about 500 pumpkins to sell at Halloween. It was so much fun. Pulled a car trailer with hay bales on it to give pumpkin customers a ride. It had the cyclone pre filter. And front distributor. Thanks for a great vid, I learned alot.
Great video , I have a 1950 Ferguson TO20 , I too sometimes just ride it around the field to hear it run , Thankyou for sharing your knowledge w/ us , I’ve learned some things I didn’t know.
Well Done! I grew up on a 52 8N of my Dads. I still have it and need to rebuild it sometime. I currently have a 1950 8N front distributor that serves me well. They are great little tractors.
I have a IMT 539 tractor with power steering., I bought it because it is the same as a Massey Ferguson TO35 even in looks. I own the tractor for 14 years. In the last couple years I have rebuilt the hydraulic pump and put a new power steering pump on it. I rebuilt the engine 2,600 hrs ago still runs very good. A dependable little tractor starts easily. Very fuel efficient 2.5L Perkins Diesel 39 hp. Great little garden tractor ( roller tiller; 2.14's plow , harrowing)and to use mowing and raking hay. I used a 7ft sickle bar mower. It can pull a roller rake or a 10 wheel speed V rake with ease. Love the little tractor.
Had a TO-30 for many years. Super dependable Continental engine. when nothing else on the property would start, you could depend on the TO-30 to fire up every time.
Yup, i have a to-30 currently. Temps dropped to -2 last month, used my tractor to jumpstart my mack work truck. It was the only thing on the property that fired up without any help.
Wow was that ever a great idea to take the pump and cover and put it on a Ferguson or a 9N/2N lam so we’ll I just appreciate these videos so much because I am not exactly healthy so sometimes I can’t get out of the house and so watching your videos is like going to a buddies place and drinking a pot of coffee and really diving into a subject I love Ford tractors! Thanks Kevin keep on trucking!😀🇨🇦
I got the TO30, I like how you bump the shifter in the upper right position to start it, preventing you from accidentally starting it while in gear. I'll be keeping an eye out for the 8n pump assbly with the draft control.
Very informative. The TO20 was the first tractor I drove when I was 8 years old in 1949'. I had to become an expert on how to stop the tractor with the pto. I didn't know shredders were called Brush hogs until 25 years later. The first rotary shredders or mowers were made by the Servis bridge company in Houston, not Brush Hog. Now owned by Rhino Equipment Co.
Like many farm kids, my first experience 'behind the wheel' was on the back of a Ford...in my case an 8n when I was about nine, back in '61. Mostly I did a lot of brush clearance and mowing, and had little issue with over-run. At the end of a row, or a run, I'd just lift the bush hog slightly, depress the clutch and mash on one brake to swing me around. Then drop the hog, let out the clutch and continue on the other way. I had LOTS of practice, and could do it all in one move. I didn't realize it was a 'problem.' I thought it was s feature.
My grandad had a 1956 Ferguson 35. I learned how to plow with it as a kid in the 60’s. My Dad now owns it and had it overhauled and painted to original color scheme that was hunter green and khaki. Dad still uses it as a mower. I do know that the Ferguson tractors have overhead valves and I believe the Fords are flathead.
Great video! I learned a lot, and I appreciate the info. I have a '53 to30 Ferguson, and it is just amazing how many old fords and Ferguson tractors are still out there working for 75 years now! Just amazing really, that is real quality. I have a 2005 kubota bx2350 that is in the shop for a total hydraulic transmission rebuild, and i doubt it or any other of todays tractors will be working for 70 years straight!
Missed a couple obvious differences for someone unsure: foot pegs on the 9N and 2N, and the rounded radius arms on the 2N. Most of these machines got aftermarket running boards but you'll still see foot pegs above them. For anyone considering these machines, get the replacement PTO shaft. It's stronger, and it won't shear in half after 8 months like the POS hecho en chine adapters you find at TSC etc. I do believe the Howard gear reduction box is the preferable one over the Sherman, as it keeps the PTO spinning at regular speeds. Good video, I still learned some things I didn't know about these (especially the Ferguson). We had a couple 8Ns around on the farm when I was a boy, and I learned to operate tractors and drive in general on a Ford NAA a few years later.
I was more concerned with functional differences as I can only fit so much into a short video. The Howard is good for rototilling but they are very fragile.
I don't think all Sherman transmission worked in the same manner. There were a few Sherman transmission designed to be added after the normal transmission that gave the same PTO speeds as the Howard boxes. Sherman transmissions really added to the usefulness of these tractors. The one thing I's surprised the Sherman Bros didn't invent was an on the go high/low box. Everything they made required the tractor to be stopped to shift gears.
Actually, the 2N's had the I-beam radius rods until about mid-production, mid-1944 or 1945. Sometime after that, the 2N's got the rear housing castings that had open fender bolt holes in them, like the 8N....
Oh my. My Grandfather had a TE in NZ with the English engine. He fought in WWI. I was borne in the mid 60's and learnt to drive on the old grey. It's so good to see one. Dad had a Ford 4000 with selecta shift 10 speed. The engine in that was close to hopeless. Got rid of that and bought a IH454. That was hands over feet better. Oh, the TE grey Granddad had, had a single headlamp on top. Dad removed that and put the two side headlamps on it with wider front wheels from a car. The biscuit wheels where put in storage. We also had a CASE header with a Wisconsin V4. A New Holland bailer with Wisconsin twin. The international 454 was awesome. that could crawl.
Great video and comparison which is what I was looking for. I just puchased an old 73 acre farm and while I have a modern 4x4 diesel Kioti 35hp TLB. I will need a larger machine for field work and I need another smaller machine for bush hog, utility and blade work to keep either at the farm or back at my main property to keep a gravel driveway in working order. Once we are on the farm fulltime and build a new house then it would be easier but I love old machines and I am a fan of having backup equipment to use and play on.
@@ClaremontClassicGarage My Gravely tractors like that policy. My wife not so much..... I am a Ford fan for trucks and cars and the tractors have a good reputation so I was leaning that way. I am really comparing the TO30/35 to the 8N or possibly Jubilee if they are local enough and priced well. I see a TO30 for 900 running and operating that is local and enticing me.
Was nice to see a couple of those still have their hat rims. Was saddened when you mentioned Zane may have passed away as l bought my ZaneThang directly from him 7-8 years ago. I love that thing for the brush hog on my 43 2N.
Yes, Zane is gone. But his legend and inventions live on. All my Fords have hat rims. I buy whole tractors just to get them. They just don't look right with loop rims.
Great little tractors I've owned 7 sadly the last one secumed to financial pressure (garage rent) and marital pressure. They changed many small farmers lives dad farmed with one always on the farm even when we had the 65's and ford 4000 he still kept the fergie and an old E1A major his first tractor and his first big tractor.
My grandfather farmed 2,500 acres in South Georgia with thee little Fords and a Johnny two banger. They all pulled three row plows, pulled tobacco sleds and ran various implements found on a farm in the fifties.
Good video I learned a lot about these old tractors i often wondered about, I had an 8n think it was a 1947 model they are easy to work on I rebuilt the hydraulic pump , put new gear in the transmission, replaced the pins and bushings in the front end changed it to 6 12 volt system, the only thing I didnt like about it was the front distributor
Stumbled onto your video. Very nice explanation. Work on getting a tripod to prevent camera shake. Otherwise, good information. I'm actually in the hunt for an 8N as a winter project to strip down and restore. I've learned a bunch on the differences during my research.
@@ClaremontClassicGarage I subbed to give you a hand :) Thumbs up the video as well. I love classic cars, but the $$ isn't there for one until next spring, so I figure I can get an 8N fairly cheap and tinker on it all winter and keep me out of trouble :)
Nice lesson. I've been around these contraptions all my life, knew there were differences like the pedal arrangements but mostly they seemed the same to me...you know the old "they all look the same to me" attitude. First I saw was an original 9n...sat in the barn until sold for a farthing. No matter what the version, they never had brakes because the seals leaked like sieves and ruined the shoes. No matter what anybody says...the front end is light and they will rear up easily. And yes, I had a friend killed on one of them...steering wheel crushed his chest. Tons of these old ford's sold here and I wouldn't own one as a gift. They're geared too high, have schitty brakes, nose too light and I never saw one that had a magical lift that prevented one from pulling the nose up if you hung on a root or big rock. But again...lots of them sold and the 3 point was great compared to the other guys. I preferred the Allis snap coupler which is superior in every way...but it fell to the wayside. You need to find yourself a flathead v8 conversion and a shermie transmission ...woo-hoo 60 hp death trap!
They make weights for the front of all of these old tractors... other things that you bring up are non-issues too. They have gotten the job done for millions of people for well over 100 years. You are spouting off like a Glock fan-boy, and NEWS FLASH - No one cares about your opinion.
Wish I had known about that clutch 30 years ago. I ran our Super W^ Farmall full speed into the barn because I had the feed mill still engaged when I came back from feeding the pigs. Bent the grill big time. Didn't do the barn much good either.
I used a to20 one summer to rake hay for all the race tracks in eastern U.S. loved it over John Deere harvesters. Case and Ford the Ferguson was diesel
Great Presentation ! Want to mention during early wartime model Ford production the hoods were aluminum , the war effort ended it . Highly sought after and achieve very high prices !
The only Fords with aluminum hoods were the very first early 1939 ones. The tooling for steel hoods wasn't ready in time when production started. They were die cast aluminum and proved to be brittle and prone to cracking. They were changed to steel hoods very early on although the cast aluminum grill survived i production until 1941. It wasn't really wartime as the US wasn't really at war until Dec 1941. Then later we would see the steel wheeled "wartime" 2N in 1943. But that's another story.
It is time for you to do a video on the Sherman Bros. line of upgrades for these tractors. Our 9N had the over/under transmission making the tractor a 9 speed. In era, there were a lot of implements that hooked up to that PTO shaft without any adapter. We had lots of them on the farm. Also, since most implements using this PTO had to have a drive shaft to connect with the implement, drive shafts with different spline formation/diameter on each end were common.
Hello from someone who was born in Coventry and who's grandfather work at the Massey Ferguson plant at Banner Lane Coventry when the 100 series were about so fergies are in the blood, you can also get a reduction ( creeper box ) to fit the Fergies, designed by Howard Rotivators to low them down for rotivator work, caveat is there they are only for that sort of work, try to use them for low speed pulling and the gears shatter.
Great video, thanks for the info on the 8n draft control, had my 9n for over 30 years great little tractor, use them fix them if they brake, thanks again.
I have no business selling my 641. Drove it home from a farm auction for my uncle at age 10 or 11. I'm 70 and heard they needed me to go plow the west 80!
An over-running clutch will be my first priority! I have a 9N with a 2N right axle, 6V, and flat head engine with an unreadable serial number. "The grille is the brakes" 😂😂 I'm going to paint that on the grille. Im also looking for a way to add a temperature sensor.
Nice video, I have a diesel 8n, could probably do with a new bonnet and side panels but it'll do for now, They're hard to find here. I have rebuilt the hydraulic pump and replaced the lift arms. I have a pair of original front wheels for it as it has a pair of Ferguson wheels fitted at the moment. It was fitted with a factory perkins p3 conversion kit in 1954
I really bought a 35 diesel Ferguson the so early to work on and restore is how I like it I like getting to know the machine I am working with it was a joy the here the tractor fire up without hesitation although it was been sitting for a couple years
Even though having a egged out injector holes. Hope I can find so injectors and heads. All and all I wish they would keep making parts for this magnificent tractor so I can keep it going.
I've a TO 20, TO30, 1964 MF 135 with 134A continental, and a 1967 MF 135 perkins diesel that was number 13 off the assembly line according to the serial number. Both the 135's have the spin out adjustable rear wheels, although they're different I assume because of the two years difference in age. Also the Z134A rated at 39 hp engine was to my understanding only used in the first production year which actually made it the forth option in engines available for that year. There was the Z134A 4 cylinder @39 hp, the Z145 4 cylinder @ 42 hp, perkins gas 3 cylinder AD3.152 @ 145.7 hp, and the AD3.152 3 cylinder diesel @ 45.7 hp. Honestly the little Z134 pulls as well as the perkins diesel does, and the fuel consumption is probably equal as well to be honest. They've got about the same hours on them, but I know the 3 cylinder was probably used harder, because the new style paper cartridge filter housing was pretty much filled with sugar sand when I bought it from the estate sale. . But the enter filter was clean as the day installed, and there wasn't any sand between the two filters. Seems to have good compression, but I think the tire size is more of a factor than hp is. The older version has 14.4 x 28, compared to 10.6 x 28 on the 67 model, and don't hold me to the decimal on the tires as memory fails me more these days than helps me. And I have used 2N, and 8N both but the flat heads just don't work as hard as the overhead valve engines do, and the 4 speeds on the old Ferguson tractors seems to be lower 1st gear, and definitely taller 4 road gear makes a big difference even with the Sherman overdrive on the 8N. That and I don't think the Fords rear differential is nearly as strong as Ferguson's are, and I am fairly certain that there's no difference between the TO20, are the TO30's differentials from gears out to the housings, with the exception of the shaft size on PTO shafts.
In 1963, my father traded a BF Avery on a 1953 Ferguson TO-30. Most of our neighbors had 8N Fords. I thought the Ferguson was superior in most respects. The Continental engine had more power and the whole tractor just seemed more substantial. He had to add the overriding clutch for bush hogging. Some things were quirky like starting it with the shift lever. On my father's death, my brother got it and traded it for a newer Ford.
I looked at what would be the best for our homestead, looking at power, fuel, parts availability, and handling, and I went with an IH B414. Any of the ones on that series...434, 444 British, 354, 364, 384, and kind of the 424 and 444 Louisville tractors that have the BD154 diesel engine. They are cheap and light years ahead of the n series fords. So much stronger, brakes together(and pretty good after '63), position and draft control, live pto via dual stage clutch. The bd154 diesel was strong, easy on fuel, common, and parts are readily available...and they had CAV injector pumps. The design was simple, but has stood the test of time, it is still being built in some form in the mahindra tractors like the 4540. I love antique tractors of all shapes and colors, but I don't like trying to negotiate modern equipment on the really old stuff. I have tried running a 6ft 3pt hitch bush hog on our farmall 230 with a pto override clutch, and it works as far as making it safer, but it still makes it hard to change gears. I so much prefer the safety and durability diesel, with the ability to change out sleeves and all wear parts in the engine for total rebuild, and dual range transmissions. Power steering is a plus if on them as well.
Great video except for the fact, I don't know if I have a two in any in Oregon nine but it runs like brand new and I love that tractor. They sure are used to make things well back in the day.
TO35 Deluxe is the one to get over the Ns. 25-50% more horsepower and a two stage clutch. I currently have two '55 TO35-Deluxes and a '58 MF35. When you go through their contemporary competitors at Deere, Farmall, Case, and Allis Chalmers the Ferguson tractors perform a decade ahead of those brands for performance at a much more compact product.
The Ferguson system was so successful because it revolutionised all equipment that was used in farming at the time and you need to understand what happens with draft control to understand why it was so revolutionary. So before the Ferguson system all implement were just dragged along the ground and wheels on the implement controlled the depth. for instance a plough would have a wheel on that would adjust the depth of the furrow. With this method there is no weight trans fare to the rear wheels from the plough the tractor just pulls it along rather like towing a four wheel trailer. The difference with the Ferguson was the " plough " or whatever is being carried on the tractors hydraulics all the time even when it is below ground, the angle of the plough would tend to suck the plough into the ground this would then pull the tractor down as well in effect adding weight to the rear of the tractor, when the correct depth was reached the tractors hydraulics would gently lift the plough so it didnt bury itself into the ground too far and stall the tractor, at this point the plough would be "floating" underground constantly and automatically being adjusted by the settings on the hydraulics. What this meant was that a far lighter tractor could be used to plough than previously because it didnt need the weight for traction. Thats why you will see at this time all tractors got a lot smaller and did the same job as the huge ones before. Later Massey tractors had pressure control which was a brilliant idea and no one ever used it.
Very good summary of the system. The sole short coming of the Ferguson system was that it didn't scale up easily as horsepower increased. At about 60 horse power, the implement became heavy enough to unbalance the tractor when the implement was out of the ground. At that point, more powerful tractors that still tried to use the Ferguson philosophy of using implement down force to add traction to the tractor went to a semi mounted plow. That way most of the down draft of the plow was added to the tractor's traction, but the weight of the implement when in transport position rode on the wheels of the implement (mostly).
I think my dad had one that Johnny Cash might have owned or built. He said it was a 9n but it had alot of 8n features. I believe it had a dearborn loader on it also. I can affirm that it had 9n brakes though. The right one was wore out and you had to drive it side saddle and use your right foot to clutch and left foot to brake😉 or drop the bucket to stop!
My family still has our 9n was bought brand new during the war and was a sailsman tractor still have all the original attachments and the original front and rear steel wheels and still has original front grill, the block is cracked and motor is stuck but has lived in the shop and been the Queen of the shop fur over 35 years
I just got a 1946 2N as well, with a loader and some kind of an open cab roof, no other goodies, and I haven't got it running yet either. I wish it was just the simple magneto version, maybe a bit less to figure out. A couple buddies say they have some implements laying around for Ns, just not real close to me.
Sherman trans for Fergs are very sought after because they have a different top cover to allow for the Ferguson starter switch linkage. Sadly many Ferg shermans have ended up in Fords over the years.
I've got the original 9N with the flat collector axles... I will sell them if a collector wants them just do the work of changing them out and I need some basic attachments for the new homestead - bush hog, plow, maybe box blade to maintain the driveway etc, My needs are pretty simple, but I will have to find and buy attachments other wise which is a few hundred dollars. I'd also trade the 9N for an 8N for the upgrades, and the flat axles would number match the axles... IDK if that is important in tractors... I know it is to car and firearms collectors. My 9N is complete and in pretty good shape-all original - I just need a affordable tractor to work the homestead... 1st time viewer... subbed and liked... very informative video if are new to ford tractor. Probably saved my life or a least my tractor just with bush hog slipper clutch or whatever you called it information. Any idea if you can just weld an extension on the brake actuator to get more leverage on the brakes?
Well,if it has the smooth axles, instead of removing them, check the serial number of your tractor..if it is really low, you likely could trade it for a later 2N or 8N to a collector, that is in better mechanical shape than yours....if it is indeed an early one and original, it would be a shame to frankenstein it up with a bunch of modifications...better to sell it to a collector and get yourself a slightly later one to work with....
I read other places that it is the three-point hitch that keeps the tractors from flipping over backwards, not that pressure release you're talking about on the upper link. The three-point linkage made it work like a wheelie bar on a hot rod. That spring and valve on the top link was part of the draft control. The draft control could be set for how much resistance to encounter before it raised the three-point hitch.
The draft control spring on the top is the "third" part of the 3 point hitch and what keeps the tractor from rearing backwards. When the plow encounters an obstacle, it pivots on the lower balls which compresses the draft spring and moves the internal linkage slightly lifting the plow and keeping the tractor down.Once the obstacle is clear, the plow will automatically return to the draft depth set on the touch control lever . Watch this for a far better explanation than I can give. ruclips.net/video/IAajrTlwVAY/видео.html
@@ClaremontClassicGarageI know how the draft control worked on my dad's Massey Ferguson. I experienced it first hand. I don't agree with the way a lot of people describe the functioning of the draft control. While I was searching online for a factory description of the functioning I came across the description that matched my understanding and experience with it. Draft control is not supposed to set the depth of the implament. It is supposed to regulate the amount of drag that it puts on the tractor. So the implement will go down to whatever depth that reaches the appropriate drag on the tractor and keeps that steady amount of drag on the tractor. If the ground becomes harder it increases the drag causing it to raise the implement up to match the preset drag amount. So it does not set the depth. It only sets the amount of drag/draft. Draft meaning a preset amount of pulling power. The term comes from draft. Draft horses don't determine the depth of plowing. They determine the amount of pulling power. There is so so so so so many people that believe their own definition and ignore the factory's definition and mine. Position control still regulates how deep it goes into the ground and keeps it at a steady depth regardless of ground condition. I used both controls many years driving my dad's equipment. We were in business together doing commercial, residential and agricultural weed abatement, doing rototilling, disking, bush hogging, mowing, grading, etc. By the way, that video only covers position control and never ever mentions draft or draft control.
Love to upgrade my fathers' 8N brake seals. I put a 8volt battery to start easy and still have positive ground, but may upgrade to 12 volt and you can get electronic ignition . Dennis Carpenter Ford has all the parts for 9N 2N and 8N even sheet metal too! Check them out !
My dad had a MF 35 with a 3 cyl Perkins diesel. He used it to move hundreds of yards of fill dirt. He built a float for the three point hitch. His friend had a 2N repowered with a 6 cyl Ford engine.
We had one at the ranch when I was a boy in the late '50s that had the air breather stack above the hood like this green tractor. I very seldom see the little Fords with this feature.
Which model had the manual start in the front. When I was about ten my grandfather taught me how to drive a tractor, but I had to learn to start it,first.that damn thing flipped me a few times but I soon learned how to crank it. He farmed 2,500 acres with the flipper, a Jubilee, a 540 and an A JD. I drove and operated them all at one time or another.
Awesome video ! These are all work horse icons from days gone by. Thanks for refreshing the memory of an old farm boy who is 40 years removed from the farm.
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Working on a ‘49 8-n. Got it running. Need tires, and odds and ends. They were incredible tractors. Nice presentation, my good man. Thankyou👍🇺🇸❤️
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@@ClaremontClassicGarage Great job on this video. I see myself hoarding tractors in the future.
@@jeffd.8917 Nobody ever plans to, it just happens. There's little tractors everywhere around here.
Great Vid! I'm a New -Old Fergy Owner It's amazing how prevalent these old tractors were & still are! 70yrs later they are Still used Daily around the World! It's a Testament to their Great Design & Affordability compared to Larger Tractors that were Needed before the 3 point Hydraulic Linkage came along! -Cheers👍🇦🇺
They are amazing machines. Thanks for watching.
I operated a Fergy in Australia in the 50s, with a backhoe connected. A lovely tractor, small but able to do many big jobs. Whatever the work, it was always so easy and pleasant to drive. More like fun than work!
They always make me smile
I have a 1940 9N Ford and have the factory Dearborn buzz saw on it. Great little tractor. I am the 3rd owner( my Dad was the 2nd owner) This one has been on this farm since 1960. Still working to this day.
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Great story. Thanks for tuning in!
Ferguson TO-30 owner here, that 4 cylinder Continental engine just putts along with tons of torque. It is on the bucket list to restore it some day
Thabk you so much for the help. I inherited an 8n from my dad a couple weeks ago, who inherited it from my great grandfather late last year. I'm bringing it to shows because it's in such good condition. I'm 23 and don't have much knowledge about it other than what they had taught me. I'm a car gal so I already understand enough, but this helps a lot. Thank you very much.
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Great video, I purchased a 1949 8N, I installed new seals in both axles, new brakes and hardware, new carburetor, electronic ignition, and a 12v charging system. It sat at my cabin all winter ( Northern Canada ) I put the battery back in and she fired right up.. I use it for hauling supplies and fire wood into the cabin.
They are incredible little machines.
That's probably the best (most accurate) video I've seen about the n series and Ferguson relationships and differences 👍
I grew up around these tractors mostly with my dad using my grandfather's 9n and now I have my great uncle's 2N. It's amazing how well they hold there own against tractors 70-80 years newer. I also have a TC 29 new holland. I was surprised that the 2N having draft control actually does better scrapeing gravel than the TC29....
Glad you enjoyed it!
I had a 1949 8N, It had the front distributor and a 3 speed trans with a overdrive for traveling, I bought mine for grading snow, and it had a front end loader stock. I loved it, always started.
Have a 1956 grey Ferguson,am living in France,tractor was going for scrap. Swapped it for some fishing gear. A friend. Feguson mechanic helped me rebuild the engine completely. Two years later had to split in half to change twisted pto shaft to change oil seal. New pto spline i run ten implements now love it. Have a new 4x4 tractor with loader for most stuff, but use the petit gris when ever I can. Lots of torque,character,no safety stuff. Love it
Same thing here. I have a couple of Kubotas but love my oldies. Thanks for watching!
I have a to 35 fergie for the last thirty years, Been in the harness for 67 years.
Great little tractor.
They are fantastic little machines.
I first operated a 9n then a 8n as a young man on the farm. One thing thatn makes it easy to tell th difference is 9n has a brake peddle on each side and the 8n both rear wheel brakes on the right side. I am now 73 so it has been a good number of years since the early 60"s.
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As a kid growing up on the farm the 8N was my hot rod, could shift all gears on the go,could get it sideways a bit going around a corner , on dirt that is, could do a tuneup on it when I was 10 the front distributor was difficult, my dad would take it to get the cows in morning and if the grass was wet the damn thing would quit, by 10 o'clock in the morning the thing would fire right up,it didn't like early mornings, I guess I didn't much either lol, good video!!
Thanks for watching and sharing your memories!
Stumbled across your video & very much enjoyed it. You definitely know your old Ns. I grew up with the N series tractors, did some serious farming with a 52 8N. Way ahead of its time & still a very usable tractor today. Not many have held the test of time like these old machines. I now collect, restore & enjoy them in my older years. No they are not modern but vintage machines ready for work when needed. Never had a Ferguson but may add one to my collection someday. Almost bought a more modern 1000 series at auction today but the old Ns are hard to beat and I know them inside & out. I believe more implements & accessories were made for these old Fords than any of the others. If you know how to properly operate these old machines, they are very safe with their low center of gravity. I have used them in some serouis steep hill county and never flipped or had any accident with one. Keep them maitained and they will not let you down. They were designed for the average farmer to do most repairs with minimal tools and skills. You can't buy anything today like that!
We have about 14 of them around here.
Fergusns came with a spanner marked off in inches for measuring the furrow depth and the size of each end fit any Ferguson adjustment need's.
@@jimplatts6172 Fords came with them too. They were very handy as a fuel level gauge too.
Can't remember exactly. we got our 4000 new in 68 sprung comfortable seat it was a race to get the yard work done and the feeding to get first out in the field dad recond it was worth it's mony just for that.
I used to have an old 8N along with the plows, box blade, bush hog and other implements. Then my precious gift from God that was my wife passed away (22+ years ago) and I just couldn't see a need for them anymore and sold the whole lot. That was one tough little machine and fun to operate.
My cousin has an 8N loader tractor. He uses it for pushing snow during the winter and building dirt bike jumps at his home in the suburbs. I still see 8N's around the city with the boom pole on the back from "TSC" with a come along on it. The people in the city use the boom pole to move heavy things around their yard and load engines in the back of their pickup. They also work good for lifting the concrete steps assemblies away from the old grandma houses and carrying them away. Those concrete steps must weigh a good 1200lbs.
They are eternal.
Thank You, You are first one I have " talked to " who knew what small lever under seat was for. ( Up is position control - Down is draft control. ) You now know I have a 8N, !951 according to S/N Fun tractor !
Thanks for watching!
I have an old '49 Ferguson TO20 . My oil filter is in the oil pan. You have to drop a round center cap down to get to it. I also have the added tool box that bolts on the front of the gas tank by the radiator. Pretty cool old tractor. Love the video. Very informative.
Great video. I learned a lot. I have a few Fergusons, they still populated farms in my youth but I learned to drive on a Massey Ferguson 135. Thanks for sharing your knowledge & enthusiasm. Keep up the good work.
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Were very lucky in that a salvage tractor supplier here in Oregon called us a few years ago & told us to come soon as they had a special find for us!! Upon entering their yard we saw the tractor! It was a late model 8N with a Freeman loader & an over / under transmission with 12 speeds! 4 under , 4 over & 4 standard ratio main transmission with what was apparently a fairly recent rebuilt engine that was also converted to a 1 wire 12 volt - ground system. The catch was the clutch was SHOT! We have never replaced a clutch that the throw out was missing almost all the ball bearings! Once the clutch was replaced by us & a new fuel valve w/ bowl assembly was done it runs well & the loader is able to lift 9 or 10 feet high with at least a 800# capacity. Have never tried high gear in the overdrive on the additional speed range transmission. 4 high in main transmission is plenty fast. These tractors can be used for tilling but the secret is to till the ground in neutral gear & allow the tiller to push tractor forward in hard ground. Later after initial ground breaking then one can use a low gear at just above idle to finish with ground preparation. Very fortunate as the 1st 8N that came with farm had a Farmhand loader & all 3 8N`s we have are side mount distributors.
I had a 48 8N loved it. I had a one bottom flip plow,disc,rake,harrow,blade. I grew about 500 pumpkins to sell at Halloween. It was so much fun. Pulled a car trailer with hay bales on it to give pumpkin customers a ride. It had the cyclone pre filter. And front distributor. Thanks for a great vid, I learned alot.
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1940 9N here. One piece axles,12 volt, axle bearings sealed on both sides.
Nice video and thanks.
Great video , I have a 1950 Ferguson TO20 , I too sometimes just ride it around the field to hear it run , Thankyou for sharing your knowledge w/ us , I’ve learned some things I didn’t know.
Well Done! I grew up on a 52 8N of my Dads. I still have it and need to rebuild it sometime. I currently have a 1950 8N front distributor that serves me well. They are great little tractors.
I can't imagine the world without them LOL
I have a IMT 539 tractor with power steering., I bought it because it is the same as a Massey Ferguson TO35 even in looks. I own the tractor for 14 years. In the last couple years I have rebuilt the hydraulic pump and put a new power steering pump on it. I rebuilt the engine 2,600 hrs ago still runs very good. A dependable little tractor starts easily. Very fuel efficient 2.5L Perkins Diesel 39 hp. Great little garden tractor ( roller tiller; 2.14's plow , harrowing)and to use mowing and raking hay. I used a 7ft sickle bar mower. It can pull a roller rake or a 10 wheel speed V rake with ease. Love the little tractor.
Had a TO-30 for many years. Super dependable Continental engine. when nothing else on the property would start, you could depend on the TO-30 to fire up every time.
Yup, i have a to-30 currently. Temps dropped to -2 last month, used my tractor to jumpstart my mack work truck. It was the only thing on the property that fired up without any help.
Wow was that ever a great idea to take the pump and cover and put it on a Ferguson or a 9N/2N lam so we’ll I just appreciate these videos so much because I am not exactly healthy so sometimes I can’t get out of the house and so watching your videos is like going to a buddies place and drinking a pot of coffee and really diving into a subject I love Ford tractors! Thanks Kevin keep on trucking!😀🇨🇦
I do it for you guys!
I got the TO30, I like how you bump the shifter in the upper right position to start it, preventing you from accidentally starting it while in gear. I'll be keeping an eye out for the 8n pump assbly with the draft control.
Very informative. The TO20 was the first tractor I drove when I was 8 years old in 1949'. I had to become an expert on how to stop the tractor with the pto. I didn't know shredders were called Brush hogs until 25 years later. The first rotary shredders or mowers were made by the Servis bridge company in Houston, not Brush Hog. Now owned by Rhino Equipment Co.
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Thank you for sharing your experience……. I’m a new owner of a 1946 2N…….. It’s just a marvel of engineering for its time…… Much better than a mule…….
Henry and Harry's gift to the world. Thanks for watching!
Like many farm kids, my first experience 'behind the wheel' was on the back of a Ford...in my case an 8n when I was about nine, back in '61.
Mostly I did a lot of brush clearance and mowing, and had little issue with over-run. At the end of a row, or a run, I'd just lift the bush hog slightly, depress the clutch and mash on one brake to swing me around. Then drop the hog, let out the clutch and continue on the other way. I had LOTS of practice, and could do it all in one move.
I didn't realize it was a 'problem.' I thought it was s feature.
My grandad had a 1956 Ferguson 35. I learned how to plow with it as a kid in the 60’s. My Dad now owns it and had it overhauled and painted to original color scheme that was hunter green and khaki. Dad still uses it as a mower. I do know that the Ferguson tractors have overhead valves and I believe the Fords are flathead.
Great video! I learned a lot, and I appreciate the info. I have a '53 to30 Ferguson, and it is just amazing how many old fords and Ferguson tractors are still out there working for 75 years now! Just amazing really, that is real quality. I have a 2005 kubota bx2350 that is in the shop for a total hydraulic transmission rebuild, and i doubt it or any other of todays tractors will be working for 70 years straight!
Thanks for tuning in. These old machines have certainly stood the test of time.
I love this channel! It's very helpful as I am rebuilding an old 8n currently. Thank you!
Thanks for watching!
Missed a couple obvious differences for someone unsure: foot pegs on the 9N and 2N, and the rounded radius arms on the 2N. Most of these machines got aftermarket running boards but you'll still see foot pegs above them.
For anyone considering these machines, get the replacement PTO shaft. It's stronger, and it won't shear in half after 8 months like the POS hecho en chine adapters you find at TSC etc.
I do believe the Howard gear reduction box is the preferable one over the Sherman, as it keeps the PTO spinning at regular speeds.
Good video, I still learned some things I didn't know about these (especially the Ferguson). We had a couple 8Ns around on the farm when I was a boy, and I learned to operate tractors and drive in general on a Ford NAA a few years later.
I was more concerned with functional differences as I can only fit so much into a short video. The Howard is good for rototilling but they are very fragile.
I don't think all Sherman transmission worked in the same manner. There were a few Sherman transmission designed to be added after the normal transmission that gave the same PTO speeds as the Howard boxes.
Sherman transmissions really added to the usefulness of these tractors. The one thing I's surprised the Sherman Bros didn't invent was an on the go high/low box. Everything they made required the tractor to be stopped to shift gears.
@@cdjhyoung All Sherman transmissions went in front of the tractor's transmission. The only ones behind were the Howard and Everett.
@@cdjhyoung Definitely, an add on box like an IH "Torque Amplifier" or Ford "Dual Power" would make these things so much more useful.
Actually, the 2N's had the I-beam radius rods until about mid-production, mid-1944 or 1945. Sometime after that, the 2N's got the rear housing castings that had open fender bolt holes in them, like the 8N....
Oh my. My Grandfather had a TE in NZ with the English engine. He fought in WWI. I was borne in the mid 60's and learnt to drive on the old grey. It's so good to see one. Dad had a Ford 4000 with selecta shift 10 speed. The engine in that was close to hopeless. Got rid of that and bought a IH454. That was hands over feet better.
Oh, the TE grey Granddad had, had a single headlamp on top. Dad removed that and put the two side headlamps on it with wider front wheels from a car. The biscuit wheels where put in storage. We also had a CASE header with a Wisconsin V4. A New Holland bailer with Wisconsin twin. The international 454 was awesome. that could crawl.
My collection looks like yours but I'm more partial to massey's though. My favorite tractor is my massey ferguson 135. Great video
Great video and comparison which is what I was looking for. I just puchased an old 73 acre farm and while I have a modern 4x4 diesel Kioti 35hp TLB. I will need a larger machine for field work and I need another smaller machine for bush hog, utility and blade work to keep either at the farm or back at my main property to keep a gravel driveway in working order. Once we are on the farm fulltime and build a new house then it would be easier but I love old machines and I am a fan of having backup equipment to use and play on.
A tractor per implement is my policy.
@@ClaremontClassicGarage My Gravely tractors like that policy. My wife not so much..... I am a Ford fan for trucks and cars and the tractors have a good reputation so I was leaning that way. I am really comparing the TO30/35 to the 8N or possibly Jubilee if they are local enough and priced well. I see a TO30 for 900 running and operating that is local and enticing me.
Was nice to see a couple of those still have their hat rims.
Was saddened when you mentioned Zane may have passed away as l bought my ZaneThang directly from him 7-8 years ago. I love that thing for the brush hog on my 43 2N.
Yes, Zane is gone. But his legend and inventions live on. All my Fords have hat rims. I buy whole tractors just to get them. They just don't look right with loop rims.
Great little tractors I've owned 7 sadly the last one secumed to financial pressure (garage rent) and marital pressure. They changed many small farmers lives dad farmed with one always on the farm even when we had the 65's and ford 4000 he still kept the fergie and an old E1A major his first tractor and his first big tractor.
Don't forget the ferguson-brown model A tractor, which pre-dates all of the above. Nice video, 👍
It wasn't really in the scope of this video but yes it is a significant machine.
My grandfather farmed 2,500 acres in South Georgia with thee little Fords and a Johnny two banger. They all pulled three row plows, pulled tobacco sleds and ran various implements found on a farm in the fifties.
They are amazing little machines.
Good video I learned a lot about these old tractors i often wondered about, I had an 8n think it was a 1947 model they are easy to work on I rebuilt the hydraulic pump , put new gear in the transmission, replaced the pins and bushings in the front end changed it to 6 12 volt system, the only thing I didnt like about it was the front distributor
The front distributor has its moments, especially with a loader.
Always enjoy seeing your tractors
Thanks!
Grew up on a TO20 1950 Ferguson. It was a member of the family. My cousin has it now. Still runs. He rakes hay with it.
Stumbled onto your video. Very nice explanation. Work on getting a tripod to prevent camera shake. Otherwise, good information. I'm actually in the hunt for an 8N as a winter project to strip down and restore. I've learned a bunch on the differences during my research.
Thanks for watching. This video is 4 years old. I try to do better now.
@@ClaremontClassicGarage I subbed to give you a hand :) Thumbs up the video as well. I love classic cars, but the $$ isn't there for one until next spring, so I figure I can get an 8N fairly cheap and tinker on it all winter and keep me out of trouble :)
@@normmuelleman2570 Thanks for your support! You'll probably have more fun with an 8N anyway.
Nice lesson. I've been around these contraptions all my life, knew there were differences like the pedal arrangements but mostly they seemed the same to me...you know the old "they all look the same to me" attitude. First I saw was an original 9n...sat in the barn until sold for a farthing. No matter what the version, they never had brakes because the seals leaked like sieves and ruined the shoes.
No matter what anybody says...the front end is light and they will rear up easily. And yes, I had a friend killed on one of them...steering wheel crushed his chest. Tons of these old ford's sold here and I wouldn't own one as a gift. They're geared too high, have schitty brakes, nose too light and I never saw one that had a magical lift that prevented one from pulling the nose up if you hung on a root or big rock. But again...lots of them sold and the 3 point was great compared to the other guys. I preferred the Allis snap coupler which is superior in every way...but it fell to the wayside. You need to find yourself a flathead v8 conversion and a shermie transmission ...woo-hoo 60 hp death trap!
No v8 for me thanks.
They make weights for the front of all of these old tractors... other things that you bring up are non-issues too. They have gotten the job done for millions of people for well over 100 years. You are spouting off like a Glock fan-boy, and NEWS FLASH - No one cares about your opinion.
Thanks for the brush hog clutch tip, great video
My pleasure!
Wish I had known about that clutch 30 years ago. I ran our Super W^ Farmall full speed into the barn because I had the feed mill still engaged when I came back from feeding the pigs. Bent the grill big time. Didn't do the barn much good either.
@@cdjhyoung I smashed up my Ferguson a couple of times before I figured it out.
Dude, you are awesome! You can tell right away by he way people talk and present themselves... looking forward to more videos. :)
I've got a ferguson TO20. Wouldn't traded it for anything.
I used a to20 one summer to rake hay for all the race tracks in eastern U.S. loved it over John Deere harvesters. Case and Ford the Ferguson was diesel
Well, what happened to it? You speak past tense, but state you would never sell it.
Very informative and your enthusiasm is infectious. Want one now!
I can assure you, one won't be enough LOL.
very informative thanks..i worked in a ford agri parts store in a local engineer..loved it!
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Excellent information. Thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge with us.
my pleasure!
Great Presentation ! Want to mention during early wartime model Ford production the hoods were aluminum , the war effort ended it . Highly sought after and achieve very high prices !
The only Fords with aluminum hoods were the very first early 1939 ones. The tooling for steel hoods wasn't ready in time when production started. They were die cast aluminum and proved to be brittle and prone to cracking. They were changed to steel hoods very early on although the cast aluminum grill survived i production until 1941. It wasn't really wartime as the US wasn't really at war until Dec 1941. Then later we would see the steel wheeled "wartime" 2N in 1943. But that's another story.
It is time for you to do a video on the Sherman Bros. line of upgrades for these tractors. Our 9N had the over/under transmission making the tractor a 9 speed.
In era, there were a lot of implements that hooked up to that PTO shaft without any adapter. We had lots of them on the farm. Also, since most implements using this PTO had to have a drive shaft to connect with the implement, drive shafts with different spline formation/diameter on each end were common.
Great video. Always wondered what the little lever under the seat was for. Now I know.
13:47 8N differences discussion. Great content; saving this for future reference.
I love talking about Ford tractors. Thanks for watching!
Hello from someone who was born in Coventry and who's grandfather work at the Massey Ferguson plant at Banner Lane Coventry when the 100 series were about so fergies are in the blood, you can also get a reduction ( creeper box ) to fit the Fergies, designed by Howard Rotivators to low them down for rotivator work, caveat is there they are only for that sort of work, try to use them for low speed pulling and the gears shatter.
We had Howards over here too but they mostly ended up in Fords.
I used to pull a disc with a 8n when I was in high school . It was a handful . A very tough machine
Thanks for this video...l just bought a 8n and didn't know anything about it. This video showed me a lot of things l didn't know.
Glad you got something from it!
Great video, thanks for the info on the 8n draft control, had my 9n for over 30 years great little tractor, use them fix them if they brake, thanks again.
I have no business selling my 641. Drove it home from a farm auction for my uncle at age 10 or 11. I'm 70 and heard they needed me to go plow the west 80!
Kevin, thanks for posting this well presented show and tell.
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Thanks you, My grandpa had the Ford 8N I drove that around the farm as my car as a 8 yr old.
Nice Smokey Yunick reference. He was incredible. RIP Smokey.
An over-running clutch will be my first priority! I have a 9N with a 2N right axle, 6V, and flat head engine with an unreadable serial number. "The grille is the brakes" 😂😂 I'm going to paint that on the grille.
Im also looking for a way to add a temperature sensor.
Thanks for watching. Best of luck with your project!
Great video thank you for putting it up . For a few years now I have wondered about the difference between them thanks.
Nice video, I have a diesel 8n, could probably do with a new bonnet and side panels but it'll do for now, They're hard to find here.
I have rebuilt the hydraulic pump and replaced the lift arms.
I have a pair of original front wheels for it as it has a pair of Ferguson wheels fitted at the moment.
It was fitted with a factory perkins p3 conversion kit in 1954
I really bought a 35 diesel Ferguson the so early to work on and restore is how I like it I like getting to know the machine I am working with it was a joy the here the tractor fire up without hesitation although it was been sitting for a couple years
Even though having a egged out injector holes. Hope I can find so injectors and heads. All and all I wish they would keep making parts for this magnificent tractor so I can keep it going.
Looking for this info everywhere. Appreciate you sharing this knowledge!!!
my pleasure, THANKS for watching!
I've a TO 20, TO30, 1964 MF 135 with 134A continental, and a 1967 MF 135 perkins diesel that was number 13 off the assembly line according to the serial number.
Both the 135's have the spin out adjustable rear wheels, although they're different I assume because of the two years difference in age.
Also the Z134A rated at 39 hp engine was to my understanding only used in the first production year which actually made it the forth option in engines available for that year.
There was the Z134A 4 cylinder @39 hp, the Z145 4 cylinder @ 42 hp, perkins gas 3 cylinder AD3.152 @ 145.7 hp, and the AD3.152 3 cylinder diesel @ 45.7 hp.
Honestly the little Z134 pulls as well as the perkins diesel does, and the fuel consumption is probably equal as well to be honest.
They've got about the same hours on them, but I know the 3 cylinder was probably used harder, because the new style paper cartridge filter housing was pretty much filled with sugar sand when I bought it from the estate sale. .
But the enter filter was clean as the day installed, and there wasn't any sand between the two filters.
Seems to have good compression, but I think the tire size is more of a factor than hp is.
The older version has 14.4 x 28, compared to 10.6 x 28 on the 67 model, and don't hold me to the decimal on the tires as memory fails me more these days than helps me.
And I have used 2N, and 8N both but the flat heads just don't work as hard as the overhead valve engines do, and the 4 speeds on the old Ferguson tractors seems to be lower 1st gear, and definitely taller 4 road gear makes a big difference even with the Sherman overdrive on the 8N.
That and I don't think the Fords rear differential is nearly as strong as Ferguson's are, and I am fairly certain that there's no difference between the TO20, are the TO30's differentials from gears out to the housings, with the exception of the shaft size on PTO shafts.
Thanks. I was wondering what the difference is between the 8n and the fergy. We don't seem to have the 8n in Australia.
In 1963, my father traded a BF Avery on a 1953 Ferguson TO-30. Most of our neighbors had 8N Fords. I thought the Ferguson was superior in most respects. The Continental engine had more power and the whole tractor just seemed more substantial. He had to add the overriding clutch for bush hogging. Some things were quirky like starting it with the shift lever. On my father's death, my brother got it and traded it for a newer Ford.
Got a 49 8n with front end loader boy was that fun to set up.
Harry Ferguson was truly brilliant, without his hitch system, farmers would have had to really struggle.
He changed the world.
I looked at what would be the best for our homestead, looking at power, fuel, parts availability, and handling, and I went with an IH B414. Any of the ones on that series...434, 444 British, 354, 364, 384, and kind of the 424 and 444 Louisville tractors that have the BD154 diesel engine. They are cheap and light years ahead of the n series fords. So much stronger, brakes together(and pretty good after '63), position and draft control, live pto via dual stage clutch. The bd154 diesel was strong, easy on fuel, common, and parts are readily available...and they had CAV injector pumps. The design was simple, but has stood the test of time, it is still being built in some form in the mahindra tractors like the 4540.
I love antique tractors of all shapes and colors, but I don't like trying to negotiate modern equipment on the really old stuff. I have tried running a 6ft 3pt hitch bush hog on our farmall 230 with a pto override clutch, and it works as far as making it safer, but it still makes it hard to change gears. I so much prefer the safety and durability diesel, with the ability to change out sleeves and all wear parts in the engine for total rebuild, and dual range transmissions. Power steering is a plus if on them as well.
Thanks for the exposure to what these are
Thanks for watching!
Great video except for the fact, I don't know if I have a two in any in Oregon nine but it runs like brand new and I love that tractor. They sure are used to make things well back in the day.
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TO35 Deluxe is the one to get over the Ns. 25-50% more horsepower and a two stage clutch. I currently have two '55 TO35-Deluxes and a '58 MF35. When you go through their contemporary competitors at Deere, Farmall, Case, and Allis Chalmers the Ferguson tractors perform a decade ahead of those brands for performance at a much more compact product.
TO35 were outside of my comparison scope . That would be the next generation and a Fordson Dexta is pound for pound just as good.
The Ferguson system was so successful because it revolutionised all equipment that was used in farming at the time and you need to understand what happens with draft control to understand why it was so revolutionary. So before the Ferguson system all implement were just dragged along the ground and wheels on the implement controlled the depth. for instance a plough would have a wheel on that would adjust the depth of the furrow. With this method there is no weight trans fare to the rear wheels from the plough the tractor just pulls it along rather like towing a four wheel trailer. The difference with the Ferguson was the " plough " or whatever is being carried on the tractors hydraulics all the time even when it is below ground, the angle of the plough would tend to suck the plough into the ground this would then pull the tractor down as well in effect adding weight to the rear of the tractor, when the correct depth was reached the tractors hydraulics would gently lift the plough so it didnt bury itself into the ground too far and stall the tractor, at this point the plough would be "floating" underground constantly and automatically being adjusted by the settings on the hydraulics. What this meant was that a far lighter tractor could be used to plough than previously because it didnt need the weight for traction. Thats why you will see at this time all tractors got a lot smaller and did the same job as the huge ones before. Later Massey tractors had pressure control which was a brilliant idea and no one ever used it.
Very good summary of the system. The sole short coming of the Ferguson system was that it didn't scale up easily as horsepower increased. At about 60 horse power, the implement became heavy enough to unbalance the tractor when the implement was out of the ground. At that point, more powerful tractors that still tried to use the Ferguson philosophy of using implement down force to add traction to the tractor went to a semi mounted plow. That way most of the down draft of the plow was added to the tractor's traction, but the weight of the implement when in transport position rode on the wheels of the implement (mostly).
I think my dad had one that Johnny Cash might have owned or built. He said it was a 9n but it had alot of 8n features. I believe it had a dearborn loader on it also. I can affirm that it had 9n brakes though. The right one was wore out and you had to drive it side saddle and use your right foot to clutch and left foot to brake😉 or drop the bucket to stop!
You could get an accessory handle so that you could use your left hand for the left brake. I had one on a 2N.
Excelente video gracias por compartir , el 8N creo que es el mejor 👍
My family still has our 9n was bought brand new during the war and was a sailsman tractor still have all the original attachments and the original front and rear steel wheels and still has original front grill, the block is cracked and motor is stuck but has lived in the shop and been the Queen of the shop fur over 35 years
I just got a 1946 2N as well, with a loader and some kind of an open cab roof, no other goodies, and I haven't got it running yet either. I wish it was just the simple magneto version, maybe a bit less to figure out. A couple buddies say they have some implements laying around for Ns, just not real close to me.
Very good. Thanks. I have my eye on a 48 Ferguson with the Sherman trans. Very reasonable price on it.
Sherman trans for Fergs are very sought after because they have a different top cover to allow for the Ferguson starter switch linkage. Sadly many Ferg shermans have ended up in Fords over the years.
That plane in backgrnd, is pleasant.
I've got the original 9N with the flat collector axles... I will sell them if a collector wants them just do the work of changing them out and I need some basic attachments for the new homestead - bush hog, plow, maybe box blade to maintain the driveway etc, My needs are pretty simple, but I will have to find and buy attachments other wise which is a few hundred dollars. I'd also trade the 9N for an 8N for the upgrades, and the flat axles would number match the axles... IDK if that is important in tractors... I know it is to car and firearms collectors. My 9N is complete and in pretty good shape-all original - I just need a affordable tractor to work the homestead...
1st time viewer... subbed and liked... very informative video if are new to ford tractor. Probably saved my life or a least my tractor just with bush hog slipper clutch or whatever you called it information. Any idea if you can just weld an extension on the brake actuator to get more leverage on the brakes?
If your brakes aren't working properly, they're probably full of axle oil.
@@ClaremontClassicGarage I see that now. lol just watched a video about this and rebuilding the axles.
Well,if it has the smooth axles, instead of removing them, check the serial number of your tractor..if it is really low, you likely could trade it for a later 2N or 8N to a collector, that is in better mechanical shape than yours....if it is indeed an early one and original, it would be a shame to frankenstein it up with a bunch of modifications...better to sell it to a collector and get yourself a slightly later one to work with....
I read other places that it is the three-point hitch that keeps the tractors from flipping over backwards, not that pressure release you're talking about on the upper link.
The three-point linkage made it work like a wheelie bar on a hot rod.
That spring and valve on the top link was part of the draft control.
The draft control could be set for how much resistance to encounter before it raised the three-point hitch.
The draft control spring on the top is the "third" part of the 3 point hitch and what keeps the tractor from rearing backwards. When the plow encounters an obstacle, it pivots on the lower balls which compresses the draft spring and moves the internal linkage slightly lifting the plow and keeping the tractor down.Once the obstacle is clear, the plow will automatically return to the draft depth set on the touch control lever . Watch this for a far better explanation than I can give. ruclips.net/video/IAajrTlwVAY/видео.html
@@ClaremontClassicGarageI know how the draft control worked on my dad's Massey Ferguson.
I experienced it first hand.
I don't agree with the way a lot of people describe the functioning of the draft control.
While I was searching online for a factory description of the functioning I came across the description that matched my understanding and experience with it.
Draft control is not supposed to set the depth of the implament.
It is supposed to regulate the amount of drag that it puts on the tractor.
So the implement will go down to whatever depth that reaches the appropriate drag on the tractor and keeps that steady amount of drag on the tractor.
If the ground becomes harder it increases the drag causing it to raise the implement up to match the preset drag amount.
So it does not set the depth. It only sets the amount of drag/draft.
Draft meaning a preset amount of pulling power.
The term comes from draft.
Draft horses don't determine the depth of plowing. They determine the amount of pulling power.
There is so so so so so many people that believe their own definition and ignore the factory's definition and mine.
Position control still regulates how deep it goes into the ground and keeps it at a steady depth regardless of ground condition.
I used both controls many years driving my dad's equipment.
We were in business together doing commercial, residential and agricultural weed abatement, doing rototilling, disking, bush hogging, mowing, grading, etc.
By the way, that video only covers position control and never ever mentions draft or draft control.
Love to upgrade my fathers' 8N brake seals. I put a 8volt battery to start easy and still have positive ground, but may upgrade to 12 volt and you can get electronic ignition . Dennis Carpenter Ford has all the parts for 9N 2N and 8N even sheet metal too! Check them out !
Where's Dennis Carpenter Ford? I'm going through Cryderman Industrial out of Markstay, ON for my new to me 2N parts.
@@a3a14613 check Google on internet
My dad had a MF 35 with a 3 cyl Perkins diesel. He used it to move hundreds of yards of fill dirt. He built a float for the three point hitch. His friend had a 2N repowered with a 6 cyl Ford engine.
Best little tractor ever Made grew up with a petroleum And two it done more work than some big tractors
For me, the ultimate would be a Ferguson TEA with a 8N lift cover and pump and 8N brakes.
We had one at the ranch when I was a boy in the late '50s that had the air breather stack above the hood like this green tractor. I very seldom see the little Fords with this feature.
it was a dealer installed accessory.
My father's TO30's block cracked, vapor locked but was simply worn out when traded in for a MF150D.
I have a 1948 8n I rebuilt and love it and I have a 1952 8n I am going to rebuild it to
We have little gray Fergie and 861 all the rest are blue newer.great video .
Thanks for watching!
Thank you , I grown up with ‘‘em I have a 8N now cut crass all the time
Thanks for watching!
Well done video. I have two of them, an 8n. And a golden jubilee.
Wow! Lot of great info. Thanks
Thanks for watching !!!!!
Which model had the manual start in the front. When I was about ten my grandfather taught me how to drive a tractor, but I had to learn to start it,first.that damn thing flipped me a few times but I soon learned how to crank it. He farmed 2,500 acres with the flipper, a Jubilee, a 540 and an A JD. I drove and operated them all at one time or another.
The one with the crank was the wartime 2N. We have one here to restore.