I grew up on small Fords among others. We had one 8N that had a stubby draw bar for pulling that was separate from the 3pt. The rest used a 3pt cross bar with a longer draw bar clevised on the cross bar. That package included 2 brace links that hung from the top link mount down to each end of the crossbar. I was told that the little lever shut off the 3pt so it wouldn't bend up the brace links. And that was the way we used it. And of course, the PTO also had to be engaged to use the 3pt.
This is the best video explaining how "draft control" works on the 8n, I rebuilt my pump and replaced the cylinder and piston, made a few adjustments and plowing with a mold board plow is a pleasure! The tractor pretty much runs itself, I've pulled 2 bottom 14" with ease. Thank you for the video!
I just bought my first 8N and I'm still learning how everything is truly supposed to work on it, so I really appreciate the deep dive into the system. Checking out your account seeing more 8N stuff, bikes, LS rebuilds, air cooled VWs... Easy choice to subscribe.
Thank you a lot man. Now i finally understand how my ford's draft conrtol works. I tried it today without my grader and worked perfectly. Oh and my ford is a ford 3000. So they work on the same principle. But thank you very much
Thanks! I thought it was a good title because people usually ask "what does that little lever do?" I know I asked my dad when I was a lot younger, but he didn't know either. LOL
@@knuckle47 maybe this weekend. Did you watch this video where I had it apart the first time? I think all it needs now is a slight tweak to the draft spring assembly. ruclips.net/video/2hqK0B8V3XE/видео.html
Great! 👍 Very helpful video! I just bought an 8N on an estate auction for the parents of one of my high school classmates. I got it home yesterday evening it runs fantastic, but when I raised the 3 points, it went up and refused to go back down again. So, I was trying to figure what the problem was and noticed that little lever under the seat that my 1940 9N doesn't have. I knew that the 8Ns had a draft control but didn't know how it worked, and I assumed that was the draft control lever. Now I understand how it's supposed to function. 😊 I still have to figure out why it won't go down. I'll probably end up having to tear it apart. Since it was bought new by my classmate's Dad, I knew it had been taken care of all its life, I'd hoped I'd bought one old tractor that I wouldn't have to work on right away and I could hook the Bushhog to it and go to work. 😂 That's the joy of buying old tractors. 😅 Sometimes, I think it'd be nice to buy a nice new tractor but they are so expensive! New machines are subject to break down also, plus they are overly complicated and when they break repairs are prohibitively expensive. 😢 So many unnecessary electronics that will be obsolete in a number of years and the complicated parts will not be available so when they are as old as my newest tractor, a 1957 Farmall, the new machines will be scrap. 😢 Besides, if I sold all 10 of my old tractors, I wouldn't have enough money for a new one. 😂
Since it won't go down then the fluid release valve on the pump is probably plugged up or broken. Good luck. I seem to have to work on everything new or old.
if to pull the pin on the tee that goes trough the spring that should thread in and out to fine tune your draft function. some of the old operators manuals wanted a 1/2 inch space between the spring and the top cover
Dang, I’m almost 60, grew up with an 801 with the same setup, lever was maybe a little lower. I never knew how it worked, just that it did😂. An 11 year old kid doesn’t really care much about that. I just thought it was cool my father let me scrape the driveway. He never liked messing with that tractor anyway. Sold the tractor out of the estate 3 years ago. It eventually ran. It’s funny what you miss about an old tractor-the smells, the throaty sound it made when you cranked it, the springy seat, the leaky radiator spraying you on a hot day…
You did a good job of explaining how to use the Ferguson 3 point Hitch system. If You do anymore videos on the 3point system, l would like to see You give Credit to the Man who developed this system: Harry Ferguson. Ferguson invented and, patented His system. He put it on Ford’s new Tractor in 1939 with a Handshake agreement This was called the 9N. After the war, in 1947, Harry Ferguson came out with His own tractor the TE and TO 20. He also denied Ford permission to put His patented system on Their updated Tractor the well known 8N ( 1948 ). Ford ignored Ferguson and used it anyway. This resulted in a lawsuit by Ferguson which lagged along for four years until August of 1952 ( one year exactly B - 4 Ferguson’s merger with Massey ). The Court ordered Ford to stop producing the 8N and also Fined Ford. I am a collector of MF, particularly the small utility tractors and work, in particular, on the three point properly called the Ferguson System. Fergieman
I was aware of most of that story but my focus was just explaining how to use it. Maybe you should put together a history video on it. I would be happy to link to it in future videos.
Hey Fergie man, I have a little Fergie, I think its a to20. It has the 2 heal breaks. It's been barn kept all its life, but dosent run 7:30 now. It took a back seat when we got a 1030. Anyway, are there people that specialize in Fergie restoration? I really want to bring it back to it former glory.
Ford calls the little lever "Position Control" lever in their operator's manuals, probably because up to the 8N, the 9N and 2Ns did not have position control, only draft control. The real term should be Position and Draft Control Selector lever. But I digress.
They will all drop slowly because the hydraulic piston has rings like a car piston so they don't seal 100%. There is a piston out of a latter model tractor that some people switch to. It has a rubber and leather seal that won't leak off. Do you have a service manual? The I&T manual is really good and you can get it a Tractor Supply or off Amazon. I don't really have a trouble shooting list. I just figure it out as I go but the service manual has really helped me and it does have a parts list.
So the draft lever just makes it stay in or on the ground based on the resistance against the top link spring? I plowed many times with my cultivator with the draft lever that won’t move either way left where it is.
You probably have a busted spring or something has came loose in the top cover. At around 7;50 in this video you can see what's moving when you flip the lever. ruclips.net/video/2hqK0B8V3XE/видео.htmlsi=AN3d4LqPddY4yG1m
I knew at least partly what it is used for. I notice you flipped your lever while quadrant lever was all the way to the top., then lowered it a little and blade went to the ground. I have been lowering blade, then flipping the little lever. But quadrant won't then raise the plow/blade/implement until I flip the little lever back up. Next, which lever are you calling draft control and which are you calling position control? Also, when latching third link to tractor, I have been told the higher fastening point is for lifting lighter weight loads, thus the lower holes are for lifting heavier weights. Ever hear that? What you said about it makes sense to me. Enjoyed your video. Good to know.
The lever under the seat sets it to either draft or position mode. When the lever is pointed up that is position. When it is down that is draft. When in draft mode and the quadrant is all the way up then the implement should raise all the way up. As soon as you lower the quadrant at all the implement should drop to the ground to start plowing. The farther down that you set the quadrant then the deeper it should plow. If you are in draft mode and the implement will not raise when the quadrant is all the way up then you need to adjust the quadrant by loosening the 4 bolts at the base and moving the entire unit forward or back. When lifting the top link holes on the tractor are more for changing the angle of the top link when fully up which changes the angle of the implement. I may make a comparison video on that. Not sure how much it impacts lifting capacity.
When I push the little draft control lever down, hydraulics immediately lower to the ground. They will not lift again until I push the same little lever back to the upright position. Then control returns to the quadrant. I've been trying to use it by lowering what ever implement down to just above the ground, then push the draft lever forward so it will drop the rest of the way to the ground. It then works by trailing the implement properly, but I have no control over lifting it until I flip the little lever back upright. Hey! It's an improvement over what I had! Until the lift assembly on the top plate was fixed, the lift only half worked at all. What's up with my draft control? Just adjust the quadrant forward or backward? Thanks for the help. @@xpsgarage
Great info, man. I just got a 49 8n. The hitch drops to the ground as soon as i push the clutch in. Will not hold position. I'm thinking i need to rebuild the cylinder? Where would you recommend for parts? Should i buy a kit, and which one?
It could be the cylinder or possibly a pump valve sticking open. If it is the cylinder I would go with the piston out of a Jubilee that has the o-ring and leather backup ring. They will hold better than the original style. I've bought parts from Just8ns and Steiners. I usually just go with whoever has it in stock at the best price.
A friend disassembled the hoses, to replace them with new ones and he messed up by not marking down the right positions of each hose, and he disassembled all at once, so now we are trying to find out with a similar tractor to see how it has them connected repeat the same way to fix his tractor . Can you please show us how you have the hoses connected?
So if the lever is vertical (position mode) if there is pressure on the top link, will it still lift the 3 point? My Uncle has a backhoe on his tractor. When you try to dig and push down with the bucket, the 3 point raises. Wondering if something is wrong internally.
Hey, I have an 8n and the little set screw that controls how far you set the draft control lever down was rotted and broke off. I see you have a pretty shiny new one on that lever. Where did you get it at?
Unfortunately it won't work like that. First off in draft mode it will drop the mower all the way to the ground. Second, draft mode has to have constant drag on the implement that actually pushes forward on the top link. The mower will just lift all three links up.
I grew up on small Fords among others. We had one 8N that had a stubby draw bar for pulling that was separate from the 3pt. The rest used a 3pt cross bar with a longer draw bar clevised on the cross bar. That package included 2 brace links that hung from the top link mount down to each end of the crossbar. I was told that the little lever shut off the 3pt so it wouldn't bend up the brace links. And that was the way we used it.
And of course, the PTO also had to be engaged to use the 3pt.
Family has had an 8n for 3 generations. I never knew what that little lever was for. Came across this vid and watched. Thank you.
Very welcome. That lever can definitely be a mystery especially if the hydraulics aren't working correctly anyway.
This is the best video explaining how "draft control" works on the 8n, I rebuilt my pump and replaced the cylinder and piston, made a few adjustments and plowing with a mold board plow is a pleasure! The tractor pretty much runs itself, I've pulled 2 bottom 14" with ease. Thank you for the video!
Great to hear!
I just bought my first 8N and I'm still learning how everything is truly supposed to work on it, so I really appreciate the deep dive into the system. Checking out your account seeing more 8N stuff, bikes, LS rebuilds, air cooled VWs... Easy choice to subscribe.
Thank you a lot man. Now i finally understand how my ford's draft conrtol works. I tried it today without my grader and worked perfectly. Oh and my ford is a ford 3000. So they work on the same principle. But thank you very much
You're welcome!
I have a 52 8N and 53 naa, and i need to do exactly what u explained with a blade. Thks for the rundown, very helpful!👍
Glad it was helpful!
Is the 53 a golden jubilee I've got a 1953 golden jubilee also known as the naa
I had people tell me that the Ford tractor was difficult to blade with. I personally wasn't sure what the little lever did. Now I know thank you.
You're welcome. I always thought it was difficult to blade with too. So much better now.
The best title for a video on draft control… terrific demonstration
Thanks! I thought it was a good title because people usually ask "what does that little lever do?" I know I asked my dad when I was a lot younger, but he didn't know either. LOL
So, when do we expect to see @@xpsgarage doing the setup on the internals?
@@knuckle47 maybe this weekend. Did you watch this video where I had it apart the first time? I think all it needs now is a slight tweak to the draft spring assembly. ruclips.net/video/2hqK0B8V3XE/видео.html
Excellent. I knew the spring was a “draft spring” but I never really thought about how it works. 👍🏻
Perfect explanation of draft control.
Thanks!
Great explain.
THANK YOU SOOOOO MUCH 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
No problem. Happy it helped.
I've had my 8N for years and I didn't know what that little handle was for.
Thanks for the info....
No problem. Is yours working correctly? That was the problem with mine. It's hard to figure out what the lever is for when it's not working right.
Great! 👍 Very helpful video! I just bought an 8N on an estate auction for the parents of one of my high school classmates. I got it home yesterday evening it runs fantastic, but when I raised the 3 points, it went up and refused to go back down again. So, I was trying to figure what the problem was and noticed that little lever under the seat that my 1940 9N doesn't have. I knew that the 8Ns had a draft control but didn't know how it worked, and I assumed that was the draft control lever. Now I understand how it's supposed to function. 😊
I still have to figure out why it won't go down. I'll probably end up having to tear it apart. Since it was bought new by my classmate's Dad, I knew it had been taken care of all its life, I'd hoped I'd bought one old tractor that I wouldn't have to work on right away and I could hook the Bushhog to it and go to work. 😂 That's the joy of buying old tractors. 😅 Sometimes, I think it'd be nice to buy a nice new tractor but they are so expensive! New machines are subject to break down also, plus they are overly complicated and when they break repairs are prohibitively expensive. 😢 So many unnecessary electronics that will be obsolete in a number of years and the complicated parts will not be available so when they are as old as my newest tractor, a 1957 Farmall, the new machines will be scrap. 😢 Besides, if I sold all 10 of my old tractors, I wouldn't have enough money for a new one. 😂
Since it won't go down then the fluid release valve on the pump is probably plugged up or broken. Good luck. I seem to have to work on everything new or old.
By far the best explanation
Thanks!
Man thank you so much that makes so much sense. I’ve searched and asked everyone how to use this. Thank you dave
Excelleny info and explanation... thanks.. setting up a 3rd pt hitch on a new disc for a 2N. cheers! subbed!
if to pull the pin on the tee that goes trough the spring that should thread in and out to fine tune your draft function. some of the old operators manuals wanted a 1/2 inch space between the spring and the top cover
I need to do that since I have some new parts to go in there.
Best explanation on this! Tks
YOU LEARNED ME SOMETHING
Good explanation.
Dang, I’m almost 60, grew up with an 801 with the same setup, lever was maybe a little lower. I never knew how it worked, just that it did😂. An 11 year old kid doesn’t really care much about that. I just thought it was cool my father let me scrape the driveway. He never liked messing with that tractor anyway. Sold the tractor out of the estate 3 years ago. It eventually ran. It’s funny what you miss about an old tractor-the smells, the throaty sound it made when you cranked it, the springy seat, the leaky radiator spraying you on a hot day…
Great info. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Best explanation!
Thanks!
Thank you bro helped me out bunch
No problem 👍
Excellent. Thanks for that 👍
No problem 👍
Finally! Thanks
Thanks for this! Gotta work on mine
I hope to get to fine tune mine a little better soon.
You did a good job of explaining how to use the Ferguson 3 point Hitch system.
If You do anymore videos on the 3point system, l would like to see You give Credit to the Man who developed this system: Harry Ferguson.
Ferguson invented and, patented His system. He put it on Ford’s new Tractor in 1939 with a Handshake agreement This was called the 9N.
After the war, in 1947, Harry Ferguson came out with His own tractor the TE and TO 20.
He also denied Ford permission to put His patented system on Their updated Tractor the well known 8N ( 1948 ). Ford ignored Ferguson and used it anyway. This resulted in a lawsuit by Ferguson which lagged along for four years until August of 1952 ( one year exactly B - 4 Ferguson’s merger with Massey ). The Court ordered Ford to stop producing the 8N and also Fined Ford.
I am a collector of MF, particularly the small utility tractors and work, in particular, on the three point properly called the Ferguson System.
Fergieman
I was aware of most of that story but my focus was just explaining how to use it. Maybe you should put together a history video on it. I would be happy to link to it in future videos.
Hey Fergie man, I have a little Fergie, I think its a to20. It has the 2 heal breaks. It's been barn kept all its life, but dosent run 7:30 now. It took a back seat when we got a 1030. Anyway, are there people that specialize in Fergie restoration? I really want to bring it back to it former glory.
Thank for sharing your knowledge would like you to video the adjustments if and when you’re doing that.
I definitely will and I'm hoping to get it done soon.
Ford calls the little lever "Position Control" lever in their operator's manuals, probably because up to the 8N, the 9N and 2Ns did not have position control, only draft control. The real term should be Position and Draft Control Selector lever. But I digress.
My 3 point drops to the ground slowly when the clutch is not engaged and draw dont work. Do you by chance have a trouble shoot list / parts list
They will all drop slowly because the hydraulic piston has rings like a car piston so they don't seal 100%. There is a piston out of a latter model tractor that some people switch to. It has a rubber and leather seal that won't leak off. Do you have a service manual? The I&T manual is really good and you can get it a Tractor Supply or off Amazon. I don't really have a trouble shooting list. I just figure it out as I go but the service manual has really helped me and it does have a parts list.
So the draft lever just makes it stay in or on the ground based on the resistance against the top link spring? I plowed many times with my cultivator with the draft lever that won’t move either way left where it is.
Farm simulator never covers this stuff!!
My lever don't seem to lock in to draft control position ?
You probably have a busted spring or something has came loose in the top cover. At around 7;50 in this video you can see what's moving when you flip the lever. ruclips.net/video/2hqK0B8V3XE/видео.htmlsi=AN3d4LqPddY4yG1m
I knew at least partly what it is used for. I notice you flipped your lever while quadrant lever was all the way to the top., then lowered it a little and blade went to the ground. I have been lowering blade, then flipping the little lever. But quadrant won't then raise the plow/blade/implement until I flip the little lever back up. Next, which lever are you calling draft control and which are you calling position control? Also, when latching third link to tractor, I have been told the higher fastening point is for lifting lighter weight loads, thus the lower holes are for lifting heavier weights. Ever hear that? What you said about it makes sense to me. Enjoyed your video. Good to know.
The lever under the seat sets it to either draft or position mode. When the lever is pointed up that is position. When it is down that is draft. When in draft mode and the quadrant is all the way up then the implement should raise all the way up. As soon as you lower the quadrant at all the implement should drop to the ground to start plowing. The farther down that you set the quadrant then the deeper it should plow. If you are in draft mode and the implement will not raise when the quadrant is all the way up then you need to adjust the quadrant by loosening the 4 bolts at the base and moving the entire unit forward or back. When lifting the top link holes on the tractor are more for changing the angle of the top link when fully up which changes the angle of the implement. I may make a comparison video on that. Not sure how much it impacts lifting capacity.
When I push the little draft control lever down, hydraulics immediately lower to the ground. They will not lift again until I push the same little lever back to the upright position. Then control returns to the quadrant. I've been trying to use it by lowering what ever implement down to just above the ground, then push the draft lever forward so it will drop the rest of the way to the ground. It then works by trailing the implement properly, but I have no control over lifting it until I flip the little lever back upright. Hey! It's an improvement over what I had! Until the lift assembly on the top plate was fixed, the lift only half worked at all. What's up with my draft control? Just adjust the quadrant forward or backward? Thanks for the help.
@@xpsgarage
Great info, man. I just got a 49 8n. The hitch drops to the ground as soon as i push the clutch in. Will not hold position. I'm thinking i need to rebuild the cylinder? Where would you recommend for parts? Should i buy a kit, and which one?
It could be the cylinder or possibly a pump valve sticking open. If it is the cylinder I would go with the piston out of a Jubilee that has the o-ring and leather backup ring. They will hold better than the original style. I've bought parts from Just8ns and Steiners. I usually just go with whoever has it in stock at the best price.
A friend disassembled the hoses, to replace them with new ones and he messed up by not marking down the right positions of each hose, and he disassembled all at once, so now we are trying to find out with a similar tractor to see how it has them connected repeat the same way to fix his tractor . Can you please show us how you have the hoses connected?
Do you have a loader on your tractor? Otherwise the 8N doesn't have any external hoses.
@@xpsgarageI was wondering what hoses he was talking about also 🤔
Ok so mine is not working correctly mine goes up or down it will not stay in position.... 9n
Yep, that's normal. 9n and 2n didn't have position control.
So if the lever is vertical (position mode) if there is pressure on the top link, will it still lift the 3 point?
My Uncle has a backhoe on his tractor. When you try to dig and push down with the bucket, the 3 point raises. Wondering if something is wrong internally.
Yes it will still lift. When the lever is in position mode it ignores whether the top link is pushing or pulling.
Hey, I have an 8n and the little set screw that controls how far you set the draft control lever down was rotted and broke off. I see you have a pretty shiny new one on that lever. Where did you get it at?
This? www.steinertractor.com/ABC317-Quadrant-Stop-Kit
@@xpsgarage yes, I found it on Amazon. Thank you for the Reply!
Can you use the draft control while operating a brush hog- mower to help control the height of the mower deck, cause my property's pretty Bumpy.
Unfortunately it won't work like that. First off in draft mode it will drop the mower all the way to the ground. Second, draft mode has to have constant drag on the implement that actually pushes forward on the top link. The mower will just lift all three links up.
@@xpsgarage Thanks for the reply and all good tips from your video.
my 841 is 1957 my hydrolic lift is stuck nly moves 1" please advise i have never taken it apart
I really don't know what to tell you. I'd recommend getting an I&T manual for your tractor and start taking it apart.
does the pto shaft have to be on
The hydraulics have to be engaged and the PTO runs whenever the hydraulics are on, so yes.
@@xpsgarage Another way is to say: the 3pt pump is on the PTO shaft, so yes