Digital Delusions: A Conversation with Renée DiResta (Episode
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Sam Harris speaks with Renée DiResta about the state of our information landscape. They discuss the difference between influence and propaganda, shifts in communication technology, influencers and closed communities, the asymmetry of passion online and the illusion of consensus, the unwillingness to criticize one's own side, audience capture, what we should have learned from the Covid pandemic, what is unique about vaccines, Renée's work at the Stanford Internet Observatory, her experience of being smeared by Michael Shellenberger and Matt Taibbi, Elon Musk and the Twitter files, the false analogy of social media as a digital public square, the imagined "censorship-industrial complex," the 2024 presidential election, and other topics.
Renée DiResta is a social media researcher and the author of Invisible Rulers: The People Who Turn Lies Into Reality. Her work focuses on adversarial abuse online, including child safety issues, spammers and scammers, and influence campaigns run by state actors. From 2019 to 2023, she was the Technical Research Manager at the Stanford Internet Observatory, a cross-disciplinary program of research, teaching, and policy engagement for the study of abuse in current information technologies.
Renée has advised Congress and the executive branch, as well as academic, civic, and business organizations on technology policy and trust & safety topics, including information operations, generative AI, election security, data transparency, and child safety.
Website: reneediresta.com
August 2, 2024
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The spilt in the comments is interesting. Ultimately, I am just sad. We now live in a world where there is a diminishing return in truth seeking. You either spend countless hours to find base reality, or you are forced to dismiss all opinions because of the likely fact that…most people with opinions didn’t spend the countless hours required to find base reality/the truth.
In other words-you can’t be certain. You can never be certain that what you believe is actually the base truth.
30:00 That's a terribly disingenuous reading of the Twitter files. Nobody gives a shit if the government or the authorities want to amplify their message. We care about them censoring people who don't agree with their message. This is an issue of civil rights.
Listen to the full sentence, he does comment on that. Furthermore, it is not a civil rights issue, it is a content moderation issue of a private enterprise.
@@farkas5572 These private enterprises are partnering with government organizations such as the FBI and the NSA to target American citizens for censorship. If Renee Diresta was honest she'd admit that.
Yeah, I caught that as well.
@@farkas5572if that is your opinion of censorship, what is your opinion of free speech being allowed on X/twitter?
Within the rights of X being the owner of a private platform?
@farkas5572 so you would have nothing to say if elon started censoring and shadowbanniny leftists at the behest of the government?
Didn't really get this one.
The reference of Archie Bunker is interesting since All in the Family was set in Queens NYC, exactly where Trump is from.
Excellent guest
CIA spook
I actually don't understand the negative comments in the comment section.
This is a great episode.
Half or more have almost nothing to do with the contents of the episode - just random attacks on Kamala or conspiracies related to the guest, Covid, or any other delusion from Qanon.
@@secondsandcents2479it's not conspiracies when they are true
@@brandonburns5365If you don't have objective , provable evidence... It's a conspiracy... Or at best a theory...
@@jayvincent1865 there is evidence in most cases. Nice try
This particular woman carefully constructs her language so that she does not lie, but does mislead.
She was asked, some years ago, by Harris, "Did the Russians interfere with the election, and increase the number of Trump votes". She gave a resounding "Yes". And it was unchallenged by Harris.
I believe she was being intentionally misleading.
In this interview, she is denying the accusation that it swung the election. That's not the accusation of concern.
She is smart, but she is very careful with her language and a little shady. I don't get the sense that she feels confident in the morality of her work. She understands the data, but not why it worries people.
Matt Taibbi got “audience captured” and jumped into Elons lap.
Is that necessarily true? It's pretty common for journalists to try and not burn bridges with sources.
@@chickenfishhybrid44 For sure, why burn bridges unnecessarily? The problem is the hypocrisy he was driven to expose, the irony he’d point out, the speaking truth to power he stood for years ago- all gone with Elon. It’s remarkable actually, I say that without any moral sarcasm.
It was clear that ms Harris is black from the beginning of her bid for president.
You've just given me an absolutely brilliant idea:
Annaka Harris for President.
You have been brainwashed
@@JimTheCuratoryou have been brainwashed
obvious bot account is obvious
@@PinchePeloSpiderman no bot about it I’m a genuine patriot who loves and care about the USA 🇺🇸 and Trump is the only man that can save America. You’ve just been brainwashed by the fake news.
The issue was the MANDATE...
And also the lying.
Yes, but the vaccine worked and saved millions -especially true with the elderly…
@@majorkuntz Imagine believing that.
@@majorkuntzyou can't be serious 😅
@user-gy1pu3gq3d now everyone with the 5g chips in their blood are under control.
Renee is queen of marginizing people out of the arena. BY ALL MEANS NECESSARY - AYE rENeE?
Trump is oozing with racism? Come on Sam! Don’t tell me ur playing the racism game. This name calling crap must stop! You are inserting yourself into the problem - not the solution
Harris doesn't believe that about Trump nor does he believe racism is a big problem. It's just a useful piece of political rhetoric to him, and he finds Trump so despicable that any amount of lying is not only justified but righteous.
Not hitting the mark
Sams doing pretty well I guess. I know that both sides don't like him much, but that's a good thing. That usually means you have a functioning brain, but it depends on what specifically you dislike about both parties so not always, but there's a lot of negative substance on both sides, and it's easy to ridicule both parties and make then look completely ridiculous. The right and the left are completely shot. Both are embarrassing, but nothings as embarrassing as the group called maga.
Hi
Hi
@@Bryanbkk how are you
INDIA IS A COUNTRY ON THE CONTINENT OF AFRICA..... GEOGRAPHY ANYONE??? WTF
I am sorry are you completely devoid of geographic knowledge ? India is not on or in africa . Please bring up a map !! Geez
@@LD-qj2te That's on me, Not an excuse but, I was soo high half drunk and sleep deprived. I gotta learn to put the phone away after a couple drinks. Appreciate you responding. Otherwise I wouldn't have ever known I said some dumb shit.
It would be great to find out what policies Kamala and the Democratic Party want to implement. If she wants USA to emulate California, we have a right to know. We want to know about upcoming bills Sam. No one wants to vote and be completely blindsided
California is awesome dude, stop repeating lies
California would be a whole lot better than what trump has in store.
I live in CA, and I travel the country for a living. CA is a sh**hole. Massive swathes of LA look like Mad Max zombie apocalypse, still with boarded up windows (IN 2024) everywhere and encampments fully filling up public parks and lining streets with graffiti and refuse. Can't take the family to SF anymore due to drug addicts sh**ting and pi**ing everywhere, including in front of your family; aggressive, violent panhandling, needles everywhere. Can't park in the city without your window getting smashed, even if you have nothing visible through the window. Fresno sucks. Bakersfield sucks. Stockton sucks. Sac is actually not bad. Taxes are some of the highest in the nation. Gas is the highest of anywhere I travel in the country, besides some places in Florida. Food cost is probably around 20% higher than any other state I visit. Crime rates aren't great. Massive wildfires in my area almost every year.
But hey, nice weather. Beaches are cool. Tahoe is nice. I mean, all the things that have NOTHING to do with California's statehood/policy/people are awesome. So there's that.
@@venicebeachsportsnetwork6677 Didn’t say it was a bad state. It’s got the best weather of anywhere!! The legislation is controversial there to say the least 😆
If you want to be completely blindsided, vote for Trump
One last thing, on experts and covid. It's true that no one should put their trust in Joe the mechanic, or in Mary the English teacher. It's also true that no one should put their trust in Anthony the sly bioweapons researcher, who tries to hide his involvement in this planetary scale mess.
There are ways to evaluate evidence. Sam is not as stupid as he plays here.
When someone tells you that a novel treatment is "safe", then they are lying (or so ignorant as to make no difference).
Once I clock you as a liar, then I will dig deeper. If I find that you don't have good reason to be dosing people who have already been infected twice, and that we still do not have age or health stratification for the shots, then I know that something isn't right.
Sam is completely disinterested in knowing the truth. I do not know why he has chosen this path, but he has.
On any given day, with no obvious local or global crisis, I find the people around me in fear based, fight/flight mode. South Africa has a history of huge divisiveness and oppression so it makes sense that we are one of the most violent countries in the world. If the average populace remains distrusting of virtually everybody around them and therefore in fear, the higher thinking brain is not activated. We therefore base our perceptions on the fight /flight brain capacity which can only shame and blame others and see virtually everything and everyone as dangerous. Add Covid to the midst and if there is any scientific knowledge or logic present, it is blown to oblivion. It is not surprising then, that many people (likely across the globe) cannot process information based on research or academic studies. When the fear based brain has become fixated on it's defences, it is a survival mechanism. So any and possibly all information that is not understood, or that does not at least on superficial hearing, align with the fixated beliefs, is seen as life threatening. Perhaps what we are learning as a species in the internet era, is that we need to change our education system to include psycho-social education and critical thinking skills.
F-ing A.I. ... Inferior brain... Don't comment unless you're expressing your own personal opinion. Otherwise you're part of the problem...
Great comment well written
People should be better at critical thinking, I would also like to remind you that clips on X, RUclips, etc. are poor sources of information.
Before taking a clear stand on a matter, you should consider the following:
clarify your thinking purpose and context
question your sources of information
identify arguments
analysis sources and arguments
evaluate the arguments of others and
create or synthesize your own arguments.
I don’t disagree with many of the points made in this episode. The one thing that bothers me most is that both Sam and Renée seem to think that they are somehow immune to bias and capture. They preach for people to be aware and to admit their biases while gloriously presenting their own without any sort of self examination or self questioning. I am trying very hard to listen to all sides and know clearly that I have biases and right now both sides of the most important issues of our time are sadly disappointing.
Great comment. There was also no recognition that old Twitter did shamelessly censor completely sensible non-woke views, e.g. gender critical content, or challenges to the Kendiesque antiracism narrative. They don't seem to think that this was a problem.
Extremely slow paced. Couldn't follow it through.
Renée turns lies into reality, with the help of former intellectual Sam Harris. Used to be a fan back in 2016.
You've been captured.
@@andybaldman Sam has been captured.
Fascinating discussion. Thank you for bringing this to us.
Sam just seriously interviewed Renée DiResta? Full capture completed.
i agree with the arguments that sam makes at 30:00 but it is still very disturbing that in the case of Covid a huge amount of institutional communication turned out to be wrong and a huge amount of it was produced by a perverse set of incentives mixed with bad actors. can we at least admit that and then try to figure out how to improve the incentives. how about this: lets create a culture that holds individuals publicly accountable when their recommendations and policies turn out to be grossly wrong. @sam please weigh in on that.
The information about Covid that counted the most, was absolutely correct.
What exactly was incorrect? We didn’t have the answers when the pandemic started, we didn’t have the answers halfway through or even as it started to wrap up. If our health experts had played it down and done nothing we very likely could have lost millions more and people like yourself would be criticizing them for not making us more aware of the dangers. Hindsight is 20-20, it’s easy to look back and say this was wrong, that was right, but in the moment you are just trying to better understand how the pandemic may evolve and protect the public. Dont forget how many people actually died from covid.
What exactly was incorrect? We didn’t have the answers when the pandemic started, we didn’t have the answers halfway through or even as it started to wrap up. If our health experts had played it down and done nothing we very likely could have lost millions more. Hindsight is 20-20, it’s easy to look back and say this was wrong but in the moment you are just trying to get a grip on things and protect the public. Dont forget how many people actually died from covid.
@@swimbait1 - The truth about masks, which many health authorities suspected, was that they were effective, but people weren't recommended to get/wear them out of the concern that health care providers wouldn't initially have enough. One can argue that the ends justified the means but, in that case health experts did indeed "play it down" and lost a lot of credibility in the process.
@@PatrickSmithwhat was the information that counted? Literally none of it was correct
You want to believe in some fabricated BS that's fine.. Stop trying to impose it on other people..
Everybody will agree with this sentence.
But they won't on which bits are BS
Almost no one should take Statins
Harris-Harris 2024!
6:10 - Start 👍
"Suppressing the lab leak hypothesis was an outlier situation..." You're honestly cooked if you believe that.
No one believes that. They are lying.
They immediately explain why. Did you miss that part?
@@sulljoh1 I heard everything they said, did you not?
@@llIIIIlllIIIllI They said it was an outlier because it wasn't linked to public harm
@sulljoh1 undermining trust in public health communications does not lead to public harm? I mean, I agree, but I doubt you do.
Thanks to you both, I guess. Gonna go make another cocktail. At 74 years old I probably won’t have to tolerate this much longer but I worry for my progeny 😢
Try to make it until that singularity or other geeky scifi stuff lol
Remember, "Propaganda" only emerges from an amorphous "Them", never from Sam.
That's not true. Everyone is capable of "Propaganda", even you. It's human nature.
@@robby3467 Even you (sarcasm not lost)
Mr. Harris has yet to grasp mainstream media as wholly owned corporate subsidiaries "Brought to you by Pfizer".
Mr. Harris has yet to grasp mainstream media are wholly owned corporate subsidiaries "Brought to you by Pfizer".
Mr. Harris has yet to grasp that the mainstream media is a wholly owned corporate subsidiary "Brought to you by Pfizer".
Sry Sam, I think Shellenberger and Taibbi are right.
Shellenberger revealed that DiResta was a CIA spook. Does she dispute that?
No one cares
Why are you announcing you’re an idiot?
And you're a Trump voter. Funny that.
Taibi is a clown
Can someone do a fact check of the things she said?
Not to the level that will satisfy most people in this comment section
what an opaque q ("the things"); i mean, if something specific bothers you, look for it yourself and if you find something contradictory, share it please; seriously, thats the way we could all benefit
You can.
Why you only invite columnists from the Atlantic?
@@BernyBanton they are within the same Overton window as Mr. Harris' echo chamber.
Why do you think? This guy isn't a critical thinker, an intellectual, or even a mildly interesting thinker. He's a liberal/globalist activist masquerading as a super smart science™ guy
I was not ever confused. I knew that common sense is the better bet. Anything I could do to keep myself and others safer seemed to be the reasonable choice. I also knew that vaccines seemed to be effective through all the years. So I did what was reasonable. All the STUPID hype was not reasonable.
Strange the premise of the conversation given your first statement about Trump.
What was reasonable?
It wasn't stupid and you consider reasonable to mask up in a RESTAURANT so that you could walk to the bathroom???? That HAPPENED!
Hey if people aren't listening to fox or CNN or msnbc then we are getting wiser
You'll get wiser by using your brain, by using sound reasoning based on as much credible evidence as you can find. Doesn't matter whether it's fox or CNN or MSNBC or YT or whatever. People just need to be thinking instead of following.
Extend this sentiment to all billionaire-affiliated media
Cnn ,msnbc, and Fox generally get thr facts of the story correct . It is when the editorializing starts. If gets mixed in with the facts and there is where the problem is
@@troyzieman7177no they dont😅. You can't be serious
@brandonburns5365 the viewer is the issue not the media , when it is news . When they editorialize . Then things go off the rails. You are just mouthing a narrative you have heard others say. Try thinking for yourself
this chick sounds like a crazy person tbh
I'm reading her book. Very worthwhile. thanks Sam
"Memoirs of a CIA Spook"
7:42 Make Propaganda Great Again
11:34 anatomy of thought control
15:38 black and white thinking - in group out group tribalism, siloing
17:14 lack of humility, total certainty of thought, I need a little Socrates
22:12 mistakes were made, but not by me
I'm paying to be triggered every week. Applebaum then Diresta. Sam needs to get Nina Jancowicz to complete the trifecta.
BTW it is true that Kamala is a chameleon and changes her identity and (more importantly) positions depending on her audience.
Nina Jancowicz prima peddlerina of Russia Gate? Exactly who Sam "conspiracy theory debunker" Harris needs to invite into his echo chamber to echo his dearly held conspiracy theory.
Nina Jancowicz prima peddlerina of Russia Gate is exactly who Sam "conspiracy theory debunker" Harris needs to invite into his echo chamber to echo his dearly held conspiracy theory.
Geez, she’s a politician for chrissakes.
Diresta is significantly better than Applebaum
Ohh and then for an honest assessment of the white house, Sam could chat with Karine Jean-Pierre
Whys he talking about trump again, such a werido..
Because he's the nominee for the Republican party? Are you seriously this stupid or are you just acting like you are?
Sam is now fully onboard with the censorship regime. What a fall from grace and common sense.
You are hypnotised
@northwestcoast take off the tinfoil son
@@Fenristripplex Take your prozac
You want lies fed to you, when you can't tell if they are lies? Gotcha.
Its tragic how this powerful conversation that dresses down rhe problems of social media and those problems being abused by politicians, and it won't move the dial at all. It's a fascinating lecture on board the Titanic.
Take a break there buddy. It's not that serious.
Every little bit helps. After all, real movement tends to start at the "grassroots level" then build from there, at which point the politicians have to take notice.
TDS
This is one of the most disappointing episodes I’ve ever listened to. Sam Harris seems to be on a mission to make an argument for institutions which have long since been discredited in the eyes of the public (FOR GOOD REASONS).
The reason sam is like that is because of his ego. For all his talk and claims of being a meditation guru, his ego is extremely inflated.
Basically, all of us rube idiots without degrees and fancy titles... Well we were right all along, right from the beginning. And Sam just can't let that go. It's not so much that he cares about the institutions as much as he cares about his own reputation as well as keeping his peers in positions of power because he and his peers know how we should all think and behave because they're smart and we're dumb. If the establishment falls apart then he won't have as much influence on society and we can't have that because everyone who doesn't agree with Sam is dumb.
If an institution is discredited, this doesn't suddenly mean that people outside the institutions are credible. Jumping immediately to conspiracy thinking does no good.
When millions of Americans start dying of polio (while every other country is fine) who will you blame?
@@sulljoh1 when your unrelated, highly unlikely scenario finally comes to pass then I will believe you.
@@AirplayDoc Horrors happen every time anti-vax idiots somehow take power. JFK and Jenny have their body counts.
Bookmark this chat. Take a screenshot. Let's come back and talk in 5-10 years.
Hopefully I'm wrong and millions of innocent people won't need to die to prove the point.
Hey- world’s largest spaceship launch this month. That’s what’s up. 🚀
If only Elon would stick to the rockets, most people would still like him 😬
Where was Harris? Oh right, she doesn't do questions.
At this point I think it's fair to say Sam is completely captured.
Bullshit
@@robby3467 great point.
Falsify this statement. I bet you can't.
Is just me or… what a lovely voice she has!
Sam "The Evil Nexus" Harris. 😂
Dump the WOKE. Find the center. In Michigan, the same border tsar ad runs all the time. No, the border is not secure.
I love falling asleep to Sam's voice, even to a topic like "digital delusion"! Let's see how far I will get! 😂
Yes i agree its just like hypnosis
I like falling asleep to Renee’s voice.
@@tamarapruwer634 That's why he has a good meditation app. He has a good voice to produce a calming effect.
Wow, during COVID I got hearing loss as well. It's a shook to you our system and mind
Fed
Sam harris is the example of what can happen if you overdose on mindfulness
Does that mean that you are an example of what can happen if you overdose on mindlessness ? 😅
Mindfulness is kinda hard to combine when witnessing genocide.
Kids in the basement?
You can lambast Trump for some questionable answers.
But let's hold Harris to account for not even showing up to a home court event with softball questions
sam might want to talk again with matt taibbi about rene diresta
Why? Do you think Sam is trying to get at the truth?
@@JackSchitt-p9t i used to think so. i think he would say he is about getting to the truth. .
add Michael Schellenberger to taibbis name. not coincidentally,. the two twitter files guys.
@@gnlout Yes, Sam would say that, but do his actions demonstrate it?
@@JackSchitt-p9t i would say no.
Is Sam ok? I've been out of Sam's orbit for a while. I've read all his books and used to listen to his podcast regularly. I've learned a great deal from him about religious criticism, philosophy, and meditation. I've always found him to deal well with conflict and remain pretty calm and level headed in debate settings.
But having listened to some recent podcasts, I'm very confused by views of the man I'm listening to.
Sam Harris now indulges in "anti-woke" talking points every podcast, talking points that are indiscernible from incel internet culture, Fox News, Daily Wire, and other red pill adjacent tribes.
This man who once warned against the failures of tribalism is now parroting and regurgitating the same woke-panic phrases you find from Andrew Tate followers.
What the hell happened to Sam? Is it his association with the "Intellectual Dark Web"? Jordan Peterson rubbing off on him? I really don't get it, I think it might be something personal at this point.
I know people were mean to him on twitter, and perhaps he's still subconsciously feeling persecuted by this so called woke mob, but for a guy that has a meditation app, he really doesn't seem emotionally stable on this topic.
I know no one is perfect, and it's naive to assume that I'd agree with anyone on every topic, but Sam's current obsession with the silly culture war stuff is really alarming. It's also disappointing to hear Harris call anyone he disagrees with confused. It's like he's incapable of taking legitimate criticism.
I guess I can understand why he's off social media. It would be maddening to hear the unfiltered thoughts of thousands of people. I just wish he would be a better steward of his own mind and not fall for the social conservative propaganda machine.
I've been a huge fan of Sam's work for years, it helped me escape fundamentalist religion. It's just disappointing to see Sam falling down the red pill rabbit hole.
Did you listen to THIS podcast?
Turns out Fox News, the Daily Wire, Andrew Tate, etc... can be right twice a day. Nothing Sam said here is off base. There is some absolute toxic sludge flowing into the water main from the "woke" left.
@@sciencecompliance235Except his understanding of Kamala Harris' politics
@@jmc5335 If what he said about her is true, then his opinion about it is pretty on the money. Not sure what you have a problem with.
@@sciencecompliance235 "If"
I took Trump to mean that she started playing up one aspect of her background for political reasons. He was trying to criticize the whole idea of diversity taking precedence over objective competence. (I know Sam Harris is no fan of that, either.) The way he said it sounded tacky and shocking, as usual. And yet...Well, is there an honest person on the planet who believes that gender and race had nothing to do with Biden choosing her? Hell, the media is talking openly and jokily about which white guy she's going to choose!
In a way, it was quite bold of Trump to choose Vance instead of following the PC Playbook's recommendations. I wouldn't be surprised if the sole reason he chose Vance was to spurn the new rules.
Calling someone a diversity hire is a serious insult that attacks someone's competence, identity, and integrity (for taking underserved benefits). If the insult can't be justified then it shouldn't be made and Trump couldn't justify it. Representation existed before diversity and it's often good to fall back to that concept. This tells us that Biden, Harris, and her vp choice can justifiably represent different groups but Trump can't attack Harris for representing those groups.
@@davegold Biden chose Harris because she was a black woman. He said he would choose a black woman at the time. Where have you been?
@user-gy1pu3gq3d and here we are. Dave's comment doesn't show up. I almost incorrectly assumed your response was to the OC. Why can't "Community Guidelines' at _LeasT_ allow people to choose to read comments deemed too 'problematic' for the platform.
Makes me so incenced when I see 'Unapproved videos are hidden' in playlist, yet I can't even see which titles have been removed.
The voting rights violations are in YT as well.
@@JH-ji6cj My comment probably vanished because it was downvoted out by the Trump fans, nothing to do with YT moderation.
@@davegold well, I would hope that it was for wording (legitemate threats etc) instead of due strictly to your expressed opinion.
As honest as Karine Jean-Pierre
Have you had your climate booster ?
Jabs are good. Get based.
have you had an effective education? it's apparent that you haven't
@@PinchePeloSpidermanOK bootlicker 😅
One thing I like about Harris is that she use to prosecute parents for children that used to ditch school all the time.
Gotta keep kids in school and off streets
Then, immediately walked it back and apologized when running for president
One thing about Harris I like is that she use to prosecute poor people in general.
@@1971spots In 2011, as California Attorney General, Harris walked away from a $4 billion settlement with several of the nation’s largest mortgage lenders over the fraudulent and unscrupulous behavior that led to the 2009 financial crisis - specifically their foreclosure practices.
The settlement was being negotiated by attorneys general from multiple states at the urging of the Obama administration, and many were advocating that states settle cases quickly for a lower amount, according to reporting from the Los Angeles Times.
Harris dismissed the deal as “crumbs on the table,” and ultimately won a $25 billion settlement for California.
@@endlessnameless6628 she also decided not to prosecute a bank that had illegally foreclosed on people that later donated millions to her senate campaign
Sam had to gradually realize that Bret Weinstein, Matt Taibi, Dave Rubin and others were contemptible. Next comes Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan and Megyn Kelly.
Yeah. Also Have you noticed how all the big name political pundits are slowly getting their own podcasts now? Bill Maher, Megan Kelly, Piers Morgan, Don Lemon I'm sure I'm forgetting others. They all have loud opinions, a lot money and large followings.
Contemtable? So endorsing the high priestess of Woke is somehow less demented than endorsing Trump, whatever happened to abstaining.
@@jarinthemood2000 And they're annoying.
@@jarinthemood2000they don't have large followings. Just access to people with large followings
They became contemptible. They weren't always like this. They go where the money is.
The irony of this coming from sam as he literally uses his platform for israels propaganda
RUclips won't let me say my piece about why I have a negative view of both the left and the right. I guess I was being too mean about it. This will probably be erased as well.
Taibbi can be from times to times insuferable and condescending ( so was pre-TDS Sam ) but good part of the times he hits a bull's eye . Fu*k even Tucker Carslon in his present incanation has more selfawareness that he from time to time admits that he was total idiot regarding some of his older positions that is stark contrast to post-TDS Harris
Is this the same Sam Harris that taught me meditation techniques or am I on a different channel? Lots of irresponsible and highly reactive statements in here. Sorry, that you’re absorbed within the illusion of democracy Sam.
the same creator , what statements are irresponsible and highly reactive ?
@@dandybufo9664most statements made in the first 15 minutes are made from an emotional pre constructed political position. If he was still practicing Meditation I think he would be trying to heal and not divide. Heal himself, not react. Love himself, not point fingers. Corruption exists beyond this person is good and this person is bad. Sam knows that. Or does he.
I really don’t understand what is ground breaking here. She spoke like the academics we have been churning out lately, a whole lot of nothing. Sweetie don’t play it too safe. It doesn’t move the needle one bit and you become inconsequential. There is no activism or penchant for discovery of truth as it affects the individual and humanity at large to be felt.
Wowza
What an astonishing guest. So brilliant it is scary. Thank you so much Sam!!!!!!!!! I listened as podcast.
Im here early 😍😍
Wow, from jump, Sam says thatTrump displays who we all know he is, yet that Harris needs to sincerely embody 'Kama, Kama, Kama, Chameleon' just to be elected.
Why would you platform Renee? THE CALL IS COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE.
Is she Jewish?
Can you elaborate? Everything I can find about her makes her seem like the perfect person for this kind of talk. Am I missing a scandal somewhere?
@@todoz11 She's a total toadie...
@@todoz11 Oh yes!
@@todoz11 they address it in this pod. Bret and Michael Schellenberger or whatever basically said she’s been compromised by govt and censorship industrial complex (goofy term). Bret tried to imply it was strange Sam had her on and that Rogan did as well. Sam brings this up in his previous podcast about his response to covid..
The smugness of these 2 are next level.
A peek into thr mind of our betters and how little they think of you.
Its naive to think that the most powerful information disseminator would not be co-opted by the most powerful government in human history.
they should think little of people like you man, i hate to say it
You must be in the Bret Weinstein cult.
the little chuckles..
@@marcevan1141you're clearly in the shoot the messenger cult.
Boooring
Kamala Harris has made it clear that she supports funding police departments to handle serious crimes. She has never supported the "Defund the Police" movement. Harris's background as a prosecutor and District Attorney involved working closely with police to reduce gun violence in low-income neighborhoods and keep kids in school. As California Attorney General, she also provided police with greater autonomy based on the needs of their districts.
Harris advocates for investing in public safety departments within communities to address mental health, homelessness, and substance abuse, reducing the reliance on police for all societal issues. This approach balances law enforcement with community support services, aiming for a comprehensive solution to public safety.
I think that's a reasonable approach as long as she can quickly shut down any questions the opposition may raise.
How is it a reasonable approach to import millions into the country without knowing much of anything about their backgrounds?
@@dodgersfan8598 She wasn't in charge of border security despite being blamed for it - she was charged with diplomatic relations with countries who are the source of much of the migration in Central America using carrot and stick techniques (prevent migration, we invest in your country). Those efforts began to pay off at the end of 2023 with border crossings having been steadily dropping every since with marked reductions coming between December and January and then again between February and March of this year with further reductions coming due to the executive order to bar illegal crossers from ever applying for asylum. The Democrats put all their eggs in one basket hoping for a comprehensive immigration model when Biden took office, but found any reform would be blocked in congress. We have to ask why did Republicans first collaborate on bipartisan bill H.R. 815 in regards to migration (that even included provisions for Veterans care) and then NOT allow it to pass?
@@ivantuma7969this is a dishonest answer. Everyone in the media and let's not forget the President of the United States tapped Kamala to handle the border, there is ample video evidence in the record.
She was a terrible candidate that couldn't win 10 seconds ago. At least be honest with yourself. Her main appeal is this, she's not Trump.
Harris was a part of the political machinery in SF then in California more broadly. She absolutely supports left wing politics and her record supports that. Also bear in mind her father was a Marxist professor.
TRT changes one's personality.
Not for most, but it can on certain issues slightly.
Word
Lol.
Yeah I saw trumps appearance, did you see Netanyahu address the congress with 58 standing ovations.Never before has an indicted war criminal been so lauded . What ya say Sam?
One wonders if Mr. Harris also receives consideration from the same entity that owns those lawmakers...
Religion has been holding human civilization back for thousands of years.. At least 6 thousand years of scientific advancements. How many people have been killed in the name of religion? How many of them could have been the next great philosopher, physicist, Mathematician, or conservationist...??? We'll never know because of a. stupid book club/ Cult...
25 minites I will never get back
Excelent Sam Harris🎉
Ah, Sam back in fine fettle. Only 4 words in and, yes, you guessed it: Trump!
Yeah I got a vaccine because of sam, damn it.
So you are saying that you aren't mature enough to make that decision for yourself, you had to be 'told' by Sam Harris. How do you get out of the house in the morning...
You did the sensible thing then. I got 3 shots and it's all good.
@@AnthonyMonaghanhow did you "make the decision for yourself"? What's your source of information about covid vaccines?
No one has free thought. We are pawns.
Careful, Bill Gates is going to turn the microchip on any day now..
Harris the TDS victim messiah
The real TDS is the inability to notice how dangerous Trump is. A key symptom of it, ironically, is using the term “tds” all the time
I think it's clear both the republicans and democrats have TDS, just for different reasons. Definitely debatable who has it worse. Sam has it, but so does pretty much everyone who considers themselves maga. Maga actually has TDS worse than the dems or the republicans, because not every democrat or republican has it, but just about every maga sees Trump in a very inaccurate deranged way.
How mentally ill do you have to be to think Kamala will not be demonstrating any ideology that will get her elected, but that in reality, ideologically she is about as far left on the isanity looney tunes woke train as its possible to be, yet Sam seems to be giving her strategic political advice. And somehow we're supposed to think that Sam is somehow less demented than Elon supporting Trump. Just goes to show that Sam may be right about one thing, no matter how deeply thinking, moralistic and psychologically trained you are, despite how much you think you might be curating your biases, we truly have no free will. Sams moral compass seems to be floating about on the wind like everyone elses.
Let's have Trump debate any random 5th grade student on American history, Global history, Geography, Middle School math, Middle School science, Economics... He would get embarrassed... And wouldn't have any BS claim for why...
@@jayvincent1865One wonders if the result would be much different with Kamala under the same circumstances.
@@twntwrs Just the fact that you would try to make a comparison between the two shows how uniformed or biased you must be. Her transcripts are easily available for you to see. Try to find Trumps... Her tax records are easily available, Try to get a hold of Trumps. When you're done with that quest , Try to find out exactly what Trump's genealogy is...
If only the right actually understood what leftists believe. Hint... Kamala is not a leftist, though she is significantly left of her fascist opponent.
@@jayvincent1865 I was responding to your hypothetical debate scenario so I don't know what you're talking about.
Sam, you are a robot! I want
Yo give you the benefit of the doubt on your Trump-derangement. However, you can’t seem to get over your biases. Somehow I expect to find something different with each new episode you offer us, but you follow the same pattern and script as if you have a contract to do so. I honestly feel that I don’t even need to hear what you have to say. I already know the script.
Has Trump changed from the narcissistic, anti democratic liar he’s always been? Nope. So why would you expect Sam to change what he says about Trump?
2nd: how are you related to Kamala ?!?!?!!
“Opinion leaders”
Sam is awesome and always has been. Sry folks.
Kamala Harris HAS cynically leant into different racial identities at different times, that interviewer was horribly bad faith and hostile and I saw no evidence of Trump’s racism.
As unsuitable for office as Trump is (completely), I do think Sam has lost objectivity regarding him.
1. Trump says stupid bigoted shit
2. A journalist asks him about that
3. MAGAs "Wow she's treating him so unfairly!!"
1. Shallow thinking establishment fellating NPCs claim that Trump is Hitler
2. We ask you how is he Hitler
3. You call them Hitler for daring to question you.
Sam didn’t say he thought the comments were racist.
The idea that a politician would lean into different identities at different times (even racial identities) should be considered par for the course. Emphasizing different messages for different audiences is very normal, and there’s nothing wrong with it. She has identified as Black repeatedly throughout her career. It’s such a bizarre point to take a stand on.
@@jaarneal “Trump performed like a robot that had its racial software updated somewhere around 1972.”
“His cluelessness and probably actually racism was just leaking out of his pores.”
These are accusations of racism, and I think they’re unfounded.
@@ejjames7786 The first is an accusation of being very out of touch with race, which is true.
The second is an accusation of cluelessness and probable underlying racism, not that the comments themselves were racist. As in: if you say the things that Trump did, you are at least clueless, and (here is where I'm departing from what Sam actually said, this is just my opinion) you are _likely_ contemptuous of people you don't understand such that you cross the line into racism.
I'll go back to what I said previously and broaden it: that Kamala Harris would emphasize different identities at different times is completely normal for politicians, and it is actually completely normal for everyone. This isn't even just a racial thing. When Kamala Harris gets in front of a moderate crowd, she may emphasize her past in law enforcement. When I hang out with my friends, I'll make political or religious jokes that I wouldn't make in front of my parents.
That one would not notice this thing about humans is a sign of cluelessness. And that one would double down on this in racial terms to me indicates some kind of pathology around race.... But it's also possible, I suppose, that he's just that wildly clueless and that wildly uninterested in understanding other people.
Can we stop saying "pivot". For being so critical of the woke left you (and many others) seem to love adopting their fun new style of speaking.
Well, Mr. Harris' fondness for censorship also shows he seems to have adopted their fun new way of reasoning.
Sam, have you admitted yet that you were wrong about the Covid vaccines?
Bret, just let it go
Sam suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder and as a result is incapable of admitting when he is wrong
Sam was right, wasn't he? I thought he supported vaccines? Sane people support vaccines.
@@sebb1511 Bret was bang on though.
Was he wrong...?
"Harris should pivot to the center." I'm sorry, what? Of course she will paint herself as moderate, but you have to be delusional to believe this will be authentic. Wokeness came in through the trojan horse, let's be clear. Sad to see Sam go this direction. He's become quite passive at such a critical time, like so many others have done.
The comment section…I’m going to stop reading it. Sam Harris is the most sane voice of our time. The fact that he can see the ridiculousness on both sides is a credit to his intelligence.
@@Gsd112 he is a smart man but a smart man is very good at rationalizing conclusions he came to for very stupid reasons.
On this issue he is in supreme moral error. He is taking the word of a FED about what actions are appropriate for the federal government to be taking.
Sometimes he does.
Sam Harris is looking for God in a telescope. Maybe he isn't as smart as you think he is.
Sometimes he takes the worst talking points from both sides though. He might be spending a bit too much time witj Daily Wire grifters considering how often he whines about "wokeness". He talks like a Fox News demagogue at this point on social issues. No nuance, just "woke people are mean to me on twitter". I've literally heard incels saying similar phrases that Sam Harris does, it's super weird.
@@MicahBuzanMUSIC No, there are plenty of intelligent people who are not affiliated with the Daily Wire who are pretty sick of "wokeness." Just look up people like Andrew Doyle, John McWhorter, Jonathan Haidt, Greg Lukianoff, Helen Pluckrose, Douglas Murray, Steven Pinker, Yascha Mounk, and Coleman Hughes.
Everyone is pretty much sick of woke shit.
Sam, I know you don’t want Trump to win and I don’t hold that against you or anyone else. But don’t spell out a blueprint for Harris. You don’t want that on your soul. The incompetence of this woman will be so shocking when she’s president that anyone who helped get her there will be humiliated
You think sam cares about that? Sam would endorse Bernie sanders or aoc or literally anyone if that meant Trump loses. The guy said he doesn't care if hunter Biden had dead children in his basement. You really have to understand how deranged sam is
Ok but if she's so incompetent, Trump should have no trouble beating her.
Anyone would be better than Trump and his cronies . The height of incompetence
@@LD-qj2te typical rotted brain liberal non-argument cope
@@carlkim2577 that’s the most intellectually tone deaf statement. There’s thousands of people out there who are more competent but could never win an election. She has the media machine behind her. She’s been fast tracked to the finish line. She will be president. And you will feel the wrath of the woman who is about to become the most powerful human in the world and believes there’s been peace in Europe since WW2.
Love Sam but he’s a little out of touch with Trump at times. Trump is completely justified in calling out Kamala for her racial/ethnic pandering. If you wanna know the context of trumps comments, google “Kamala cooks masala”
And if you want to know why that’s insufficient for understanding her public self-identification, look up the college she went to (Howard, an HBCU) and the sorority she was in (a black sorority), the organizations she was in in law school (literally president of Black law students organization). While in the Senate, she was a member of the Congressional Black Caucus.
I have no idea why anyone would say that she hasn’t presented herself as Black….
SAM HAS OFFICIALLY SAID TRUMP IS RAClST😭😭 BRO JUST KEEPS GOING
He has said this numerous times.
Sam Bombed on COVID and the vaccines
Sam bombed on the 2020 election, literally rooting for MIKE BLOOMBERG
Sam has the worst TDS I've ever witnessed..
Sam thinks Biden's corruption is a "fly to the sun" when compared to Trump.
Sam doesn't think Israel has dealt enough pain to the Gaza ppl and wants Rafa utterly destroyed like a total psychopathic fascist.
Sam has not had a single pro palastinian voice on his show.
He has been utterly insulated into a total neo-liberal elite bubble for a decade straight and has lost sight of everything
He seems pretty racist bro
Trump is racist if you listen to his speaking.
@@sweetloveoftheair so the Obama birth certificate thing wasn't racist?
@@sweetloveoftheair the Obama birth certificate not only was racist but also played into tens of millions of people who are also racist
You losing the plot