Listening to Christopher Hichens makes aware of my inability to articulate the thoughts of my mind. Too much math and science and too little word power. I miss him terribly. He was a treasure for all times. Reason and ideas were his weapons and none could take the measure of him. We are so much the better for hearing him articulate a thought against the best thinkers of the Christian faith of our times. He beat them all.
Agreed on all points except for Turik being a great thinker. I’m not left with that impression of him. He might be one of the best known apologists, but he’s not very good at it. Then again, how could he be? What he’s defending isn’t true, or at least can’t be proven so.
I don't regret believing in Christianity when I was young. I learned from my mistakes and have grown and evolved from it. 'I am' much a better person, now that I moved past that stage of my life.
@@angrypidgeon1714 Christianity is unworthy of trust. Being called a Christian is not worthy of anything worthy but deception and lies. If you claim to be Christian, I no longer trust you. Are you Jim Jones type? Deceptive evangelical type? Fake Christian type? Who are YOU! I now see Christians as the evil type.
I can’t stress enough how important it is to become as educated as you possibly can, in as many fields as you possibly can. Religion is excellent at preying on people’s ignorance.
More than that: religion not only wants you to be ignorant, it strives to keep you that way. Have you not noticed the outright war that American evangelical Christianity has been waging on public education? Moms for Liberty are about freedom, freedom from factual knowledge so that priests can make kids victims of their lies.
I was a very staunch Atheist, then I studied theoretical physics and became Muslim. The thing about Hitchen's opening rant is the blind eye he turns to the secularism and markets he worships. By simply redefining theism so he's no-longer an idolator (he would have clearly been from ancient Greece through all belief systems up until the Europeans changed the definition to elevate themselves above all others and then go on a worldwide rampage of death). Then the reactions to that rampage of death are analysed as if there's nothing the US did to civilians elsewhere before Sept 11th! You couldn't make it up. As the quran says; totally blind and wandering.
My favourite Hitchens observation: "Where does evil come from?"......."Religion!" Quick as a flash. OK, it's a cheap shot, but it always makes me laugh! 😉😉
Morality is a part of being a social creature. It’s about what helps the society - the group - thrive and survive and be happy and healthy, whatever achieves those goals. We live together and that means how we treat each other is an evolved thing.
It always seemed to me that morality was just an innate sense of fairness cascading into complexity by language. Language allows us to explain this sense in specific scenarios. Even dogs and cats and infants recognize fairness.
Altruistism is selected for in most social creatures of our genetic stock. Hit the nail on the head. It's what causes the instinct to call out a warning to others of your kind, even while drawing the attention to yourself of predators, when you spot danger. Rather than being quiet and letting the nearest friendly get picked off, we call out and find survival benefits in reciprocation.
I think everyone but psychopaths and some few others have this feeling. The feeling of belonging, and subsequent responsibility for whatever you feel you belong to - social group, family, humanity as a whole, whichever. You get a whole lot closer to it with psychedelics, but meditation also helps you start noticing it: As much as you feel like an individual, you also feel like you are part of, or maybe a little more potently, you ARE in some sense your social group (I think Alan Watts' thoughts on stuff like this are beautiful) - that feeling of the ego having the company of your social group in a visceral sense, and that both must co-exist and thrive, or wither and die. I think it varies from person to person how important each is in relation to the other - which is why some people act to help others at great cost to themselves, most freeze, and some think mostly or only of themselves when in dire circumstances. I don't think I'm even close to doing it justice with the above, but hey, I tried.
@cheopatius2579 sociopathy is a complete lack of empathy. About 1% of people are born this way. Biological empathy IS the source of social altruism. It takes abuse and trauma to turn a sociopaths into a psychopath. Many sociopaths go on to productive lives as CEOs, politicians, etc. This is part of the problem with our corporate culture. Sociopathic leadership and a lack of ethics drives the current 'avaricious short-term profit over sustainable growth and service' model in our corpracratic system.
If I was in a debate with Christopher Hitchens about the color of the sky and I was advocating for blue, I wouldn't like my chances! He's been gone for 12 years, yet all his content is still relevant.
He definitely has talent for rhetoric, and in that probably some who would argue for one religion or another could equal him. but unlike them, he is free to apply logic unrestrained by any religious doctrine or nonsensical belief system. Anyway, I wouldn’t want to tangle with him either😂
Idk if i'm a masochist here, but i could love to get a verbal spanking by the great Hitchens. Also, the man could never argue against an objective true. He rather, climb down the pulpit tell you he was wrong and then climb back up again and tell how that the sky is not only blue but beautifully so.
@@blackagendermuslim7198 you don’t deserve a response and the op was above you and didn’t respond. Good for them. You’re being a troll. You’re being the most insignificant, annoying, aggravating, small and futile aspect of the internet which is a religious troll. The op was better than I am because they didn’t entertain your small and petty attempt to argue about nothing worthwhile. Have a lot of fun and find joy in these very worthy endeavors of yours.
@@blackagendermuslim7198you cannot see a god with your own eyes. No one who has ever lived has seen a god. All we have are peoples claims of seeing such (hallucinations(. So what is your point of your pitiful attempt to cause an argument?
This is a fantastic compilation! Thank you for the definitions. I’ve seen most of these clips before, but was ignorant of many of the terms and references. You have added enlightenment to Hitch’s pearls of wisdom.
“God Damn” I miss Hitchens. Just the antitheistic Hitch. Who will care enough about his fellow man enough to step up to the plate? If not wear his shoes, at least step into his footsteps. He was a rare one.
As of 2023, this man has become (apart from parents and family) the greatest influence in my life. I’m slowly reading and owning all of his books and pabnflits.
Don’t be afraid to find fault and what Hitchins says. There might be few people with a gift for arguing and debating as well as he does, but many more of us can find ways to improve on his arguments and come up with alternative arguments that might work better sometimes. Remember, he’s not some holyprophet . He’s just a guy gifted, but just a guy.
😂 There is the story of a minister that would have his wife look over his sermons and make suggestions and a common suggestion was “ weak point, speak loudly”.
Frank's biggest mistake was assuming that there could ever be such a thing as objective morality. Morality is the evaluation by an agent of an agent's actions (either in the past, present, or possible future) as to whether those actions further or hinder an empathy-derived goal, usually that of increasing human thriving and decreasing human suffering. Because it depends on an agent's perception, it can only be subjective. What Frank wants is the ability to proclaim the things he finds immoral to be affronts to the universe and to have divine sanction to enforce his morality upon others. The reality is that all he can ever have is an opinion.
My thinking is the roots of morality are in the natural world. A mother caring for her offspring is probably the beginning of morality . Some animals make better mothers than others. Apparently cooperation and caring have turned out to have value outside of the mother child relationship. I would say it’s are you a bowl? That moral decisions were being made long before they were human beings, at least among the higher mammals. I think people sometimes need to look add what is before they start in on their intellectual concepts.
Religious people claiming objective morality is so frustrating. God is literally the SUBJECT, his laws change over time, and every moral act is not moral in every scenario. Quite literally the opposite of objective.
@@johns1625 I've pointed this out for years. A question that I haven't had answered is if a theist believes that their morality is objective how is it that in the last 2000 years god hasn't made any proclamations as to morality changing yet morality, in almost all societies, continues to evolve.
@@johns1625 buTh wiThout HiM iTs SUbJECtiVe Bro - some theist prolly without realizing that even if his gawd existed it would still be subjective since it would be his gawd opinion on what is good/bad. For me cosmic nihilism and Epicureanism are ftw. Life is long and painful so why not enjoy it in peace n harmony?
Why do religious people keep getting away with this argument that the “ universe” came into existence out of nothing? Is there any reason to believe that there was a time where nothing existed? Is there any reason to believe that matter and energy in some form haven’t always existed?
Through the work of Einstein, Hubble and Lemaitre it was demonstrated that the universe had a beginning, now refined to have been about 13.8 billion years ago. The atheist position is that the nothingness that preceded the Big Bang created the universe. The Christian position is that an intelligent agent created the universe by willing it into existence from nothing.
@@judbergan8967You incorrectly state the ‘atheist position’. We don’t know what preceded the Big Bang or indeed what sat outside the compacted singularity. Something came from something.
That first guy arrogantly asked that question, and you could hear in his voice that regardless of whatever Hitchens said, it would go in one ear and out the other.
Frank Tureks ignorant projection is so frustrating. He claims atheists believe the universe came from nothing when the only people who believe that are the religious. He claims he has a foundation for objective morality when god is literally the subject of it and it changes and is not true in all scenarios.
A question for adults: if you were deciding where to send your children to a particular university or college and prior to their admission, you were to receive a letter of explanation from a few of the universities that stated: a) that several of their professors, for the past century and more, were regrettably, in fact, guilty of raping thousands of college students, both boys and girls b) that the university was well aware of who these offenders were C) it was current school policy and within the scope of their authority of that the university did not report these rapists to police d) the university insisted instead on a policy of secrecy and shelter and offered these raping professors a salary, sinecures and substantial legal protection. e) the rights of the raping professors exceeded those of the victims Who would, for a nanosecond, consider sending their child to this college or university? Shall I answer my own question? Not one thinking adult would do such a horrific thing to their very own flesh and blood. Why is it then, that millions still send their kids to Catholic elementary or high schools, or still donate money, or stocks, bonds, art or land to the Catholic church? The millions of people that still support this atrocious organization are to me, intellectually defective and questions of abnormal psychology have to be raised. Rid yourself of religious beliefs, shed them like a snake sheds it's own skin. Think for yourself.
You cut off the most important part of the audience members question....at the end he asks: "Why don't you just stay home?".....and this was Hitch' s epic response.
Such articulation and moral clarity without a trace of pomposity or arrogance Religion does poison everything because it proposes simplistic irrational and unprovable solutions to very complex enigmas thereby preempting further research and contemplation
knock knock --"Who is it?" -"It's me, Jesus. Let me in." --"Why do you want in?" -"I want to save you."... --"Save me from what?" -"From what I'll do to you if you don't let me in.
of the estimated 109 Billion people who have ever lived only 144,000 are going to heaven? as a creator he is not very good at it. hows that for statistics?
Very well put Hitchens. However, the people that have the power of believing in something because they lack the ability to have humanistic humility to understand that they know nothing about something extremely complex during Sciences infancy.. Can never be forgiving and will never back down. Forever will they back peddle through out the existence of time until we either perish or we push them into a corner to almost nothingness. The fear of God once needed to have moral high ground. We have evolved to be better humans even without it. But now we detest most religious practices and have a new surge of people believing but not practicing because they think the Fear of god or fear taught in the Bible was a misinterpretation of how God truly is. Now they have back peddled thousands of years of famine,war, humiliation, assault, and malevolent teachings in order to virtue signal their belief in what, I would suppose, logical people would deem irrelevant today and no longer needed in order to survive.
It requires a truly staggering level of arrogance to cling to religious dogma, dismissing any scientific discovery that dares challenge its tenets, while in the same breath exploiting the fruits of science to prop up flimsy theological claims. All the while, they luxuriate in the comforts and advancements of a modern, science-driven society, blissfully unaware of the rank hypocrisy at play.
I love how there are thousands of Hitch compilations on RUclips, but virtually none of the people he debated. Atheism is winning and 60% of generation Z are non-religious.
Hi Bill - Do we have proof Hitch existed? I guess you mean apart from people who knew him, family friends, colleagues, not to mention all the people who saw him at lectures, TV and radio appearances, vids like this one, his writing books and articles etc. Yes I think we can safely say Hitch existed. I mean, it's not like accepting his past existence was based just on the word of some lonely goat herder or the like, who claimed Hitch spoke to him in secret and that he met him far away from people on some remote mountain somewhere is it?
@@Boxspot does hitch exist, now? do you believe in someone who does not exist? is it logical to believe in someone you think does not exist? do you have a problem with Christians who believe in Jesus Christ/God whom you think does not exist? LOL LOL
1 It would be embarrassing to explain the difference between miracle and a singularity ..lol. 2. All you would be left with is an empty sac.. .. I think Christopher had a lot of fun with the Christian guy at the end. His ending of explanation of what is purpose of life just proves my point further ( crowing over peoples misery..lol)
(***The biologically immortal organisms that lack senescence are already extremely great proof for God and his design but if you want more..... The 3 main forms of evidence that would be acceptable and legitimate in a court of law for the existence of God would be..... "Life after Death experience studies where people witness a creator God- " iands.org/resources/education/recommended-reading.html " " time.com/68381/life-beyond-death-the-science-of-the-afterlife-2/ ", .......... Multiple Studies on the effectiveness of prayer from multiple religions involving a creator God like in the book "The Divine Matrix by Gregg Braden" " www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_2_13?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=divine +matrix+gregg+braden&sprefix=divine+matrix%2Cstripbooks%2C195&crid=3BXKVNJABO9OK " along with other such studies proving a positive co-relation, ...... Positive co-relation to prayer in a peer reviewed study.......... jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/485161 ............ and scientific facts mentioned in the Bible before their human discovery by a divine influence, www.eternal-productions.org/101science.html ....... For example….. 1. The singing stars. Job 38:7 declares the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy. It sounds like a bit of Bible poetry but not much more. After all, stars shine, not sing, right? Well, it turns out scientists have been able to convert patterns from start light into audio wavelengths, according to Discovery News. The “amount of hiss” in the audio reportedly allows scientists to measure the surface gravity on a star and gauge where it is in its stellar evolution. 2. Weight of the winds. In Job 28:25, we are told that God weighed out the wind. This one may be no more self-evident to us than it was to an ancient Israelite reader of this text. But, we know from modern science that air, since it does have mass, weighs something. You might be surprised to know how much though: an estimated one ton of air is weighing down on shoulders, according to this science site (which explains that we don’t feel it because the air is exerting its force in all directions). This is pretty basic stuff for modern scientists, but it’s quite a credit to the inerrancy of Scripture that the author of Job got it right so long ago (approximately in the second millennium BC). 3. A massive fountain of water deep beneath the Earth!!! Genesis 7:11 "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened." www.thesun.co.uk/news/2242110/scientists-discovered-water-from-biblical-great-flood-in- worlds-deepest-hole/ www.express.co.uk/news/weird/733026/Russia-science-Kola-borehole-Noah-floodwater-Bible- Genesis-theory-of-12 creation.com/oceans-of-water-deep-inside-the-earth "Scientists dig the world’s deepest hole - and find ‘water from NOAH’S FLOOD’ at the bottom The revelation also reportedly "disproves the myth" that the earth is made up of dry rocky layers" All these would stand the scrutiny of a judge and jury for the case of a creator Gods existence and the legitimacy of the Christian Faith!!! But I am feeling generous so I will give you two more great forms of evidence, how about this book where a forensic officer who is atheist studies and researches the Bible to see if it proves a historical Jesus and if he was murdered wrongfully? Cold-Case Christianity: A Homicide Detective Investigates the Claims of the Gospels www.amazon.com/Cold-Case-Christianity-Homicide-Detective-Investigates/dp/1434704696, afterward he became Christian!!! Also, why don't you just pray to God yourself and ask him if he is real? What more can I say??? Then you would have personal evidence and proof of Gods interaction yourself..... I mean, there is actually way way way more evidence for God than this but it either would go over your head or you would not understand it properly and you would question it, but this is really solid evidence and proof I have given you up above that would hold up in a court of law........... if you decide to RUN from it, at least admit to yourself that is what you are doing........ Do you believe your life, body, family and the ground you walk on are all a gift or something else? If you believe they are all something else then what do you think they all are then?***)
We simply experience life and realize hey I shouldn’t lie to everybody or be violent or kill others because we don’t want them to do that to us.. it’s survival.
The assertion that a thing is evidence of something is itself an assertion that depends upon the ignorance of the listener. There was an evolution of consciousness. A very interesting book by Princeton Psychologist, Julian Jaynes on the subject "The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind" provides a good roadmap of how the stages of human self-conscience developed. The process included and includes minds that "get stuck" somewhere between the schizophrenic and the brain that is lateralized enough for a person to know that they are who they are and the voices they hear are not another person or, as occurred when the right charisma or social conditions.
Turek's career as a top tier apologist: 'If there is anything that we don't have the answer to, or can't explain, that means... "God!" Now we can fully understand that thing ;-)
Hell is where Satan rules ,,,could be anywhere even here on earth in some places . and heaven is where God rules ,,,,,also here on earth in some places , and also keep in mind that the universum has no limit .
The Catholic priest/professor at the university of Louvain/Leuven who "invented" the Big Bang theory was Georges Lemaître. Sorry for the late answer Christopher Hitchens... miss you!
What is outside? The Universe may be finite, if so there is nothing outside, if there is something outside then it is part of the universe since the universe includes everything by definition. So we have to understand what this 'nothing' means. Not what is contained in an empty box. Not what is contained in the voids between the galaxies but absolutely nothing, not even the quantum vacuum. Asking what is outside a finite universe is like asking what is north of the North Pole.
Since the Universe is a singular entity-One-thing, a Whole, a Totality, the sum of existence-described by the General Theory of Relativity as a finite-yet-boundless non-Euclidean hypersphere (a sphere without an "edge" or an "outside"), it does not expand into anything. Not even "nothing" exists "outside of the Universe"; indeed, there is no "outside" and no "nothing." This concept of Oneness and Wholeness is challenging for humans to grasp. We are binary thinkers, accustomed to dichotomies such as yes/no, true/false, 1/0, inside/outside, and before/after. Additionally, the Universe we perceive appears to be three-dimensional, Euclidean, or "made of straight lines", consequently, we naturally think in binaries and straight lines. However, it is not impossible to understand the Universe's true nature if one studies non-Euclidean geometry-a type of geometry where "parallel lines meet at infinity" and the shortest distance is not a straight line but a "curve" or geodesic. For a good starting point, I recommend the book Flatland by Edwin A. Abbott.
@@donthesitatebegin9283 As it happens I have, with far fewer words, very recently attempted to explain somewhere here what nothing means when it applies to the nonexistenet 'outside' of a finite universe. Are you aware that Einstein's General Relativity is widely thought to be incomplete? Your attempt to explain or illustrate some of the concepts says nothing to the point. You have completely ignored the simple point that anything that exists is part of the Universe so it is nonsense to say that something created the Universe from nothing when that something is part of the Universe. I read Flatland many years ago when it was mentioned in Mathematical Games in the Scientific American, which was edited by Martin Gardner. I recommend anything by him.
The one thing that actually irked me about Hitchens is the way he kept misrepresenting Thomas Jefferson's position on religion. Jefferson was not a proper Deist. He didn't reject the notion that God played some role in the world, or even an afterlife. He certainly rejected many points of Christian doctrine, but rejecting particular points of a particular religion's doctrine does not a Deist make. If anything, he was closer to a Unitarian than a Deist.
"where do you get morailty from" is a non sequitor, so is "who are you disappointing...". It used to be, not JUST excused by religion...but a "moral" obligation, to burn witches at the stake. It used to be immoral to marry outside of your race (also religously backed ironically, in all cultures at different points in time). It used to morally acceptable even considered a "service to savages" to keep slaves. (Some areas of the world still believe this, backed by religion of course). Morality, a word humans made, with latin and english and french origins...simply is a stand in for whatever humans deem to be acceptable behavior. Does that mean it is entirely openly flexible...no. It is on a spectrum - at the center are generally held views that allow for community/society/survival: not killing or being violent, not hurting women or children, not taking things that are not yours...etc. At the extremes, they are either short lived or very few who have a brain that allows them to adhere. On one end...there are things like ISIL who find raping children and burning people alive for not praying correctly in their view...to be complete acceptable, actually an obligation. On the other end you have extreme pacifists who would not hurt a worm if they can avoid it. Now ...to really see how deeply separated religion is from morality...simply look at the spectrum, where is religion more and less likely? Are there religions promoting: "be normal, dont hurt anyone, dont try to control people, etc." and are ok with "preaching" common morality? Or does it love to and get tempted to veer towards the extremes where power over other humans and the feeling of power over one's self is more precarious but also more palpable? Morality comes from biology + human writing/learning/reflection/experience. Religion, tries to fit into a container an antiquates itself in doing so. As plainly read throughout Kings II, Leviticus, Hadith, etc.
@32 min I love how they demand we explain something that I personally don't give a f about . Why should I have to explain to you why I don't believe in Harry potter (God) as real or as part of reality
31:39 Does it come from the benzene molecule, the carbon molecule, the oxygen molecule. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carbon and oxygen are not molecules. They are atoms. Graphite is a molecule, diamond is a molecule and dioxygen (O2) is a molecule. Morality comes from the human mind. We are emotional machines. We dislike pain. We dislike being cheated. We don't have to be kicked, pushed to the ground, having our things that we worked for stolen from us. The human mind exists because the brain exists. Yes, it is made of a large number of neurons connected together. It is some kind of a processor of data and thought generator. The brain is a neural circuit. If we had no emotions, then there would not be laws such as "Don't kill", "Don't steal", "Don't touch my butt". Even if you don't believe in materialism, the reason why you have certain rules is due to emotions.
louis - you're right of course about the brain - incidentally, you might find this interesting: ruclips.net/video/nzXXV7uT9bE/видео.html. As for emotions, a necessary part of the evolutionary process and as perhaps reflected by compassion, caring, etc seen in animals?
+Boxspot: That's pretty good. He has ideas that I had not considered such as when he said that language is digitization. The human voicebox is capable of producing only certain sounds. Out of those sounds, a portion has been selected and represented as letters. Some languages have more letters than others. We combine those letters to make a certain sound wave called a word. There is a very limited number of letters. There are quite a lot of words but they are still limited. Putting words together to make sentences gives a huge numbers of combinations but that too is limited. Humans have been doing all that without thinking much about it. Thinking about it is not a necessity.
He keeps asking what chemical makes you feel like this or that as if chemicals couldn't possibly change the way you feel. Alcohol and other drugs are all chemicals!
God breathed in Adam. God is eternal, by breathing in us we are all eternal beings. The question is where we will spend eternity. 1) death, devil, darkness 3xd or 2) live, light, live 3x L With or without Jesus
The centre of the Earth is about 2 years younger than its surface. This is due to the gravitational force at the centre, which makes time slow down there. Now imagine all of the mass of the universe concentrated in a small volume, would not the passage of time slow to a stop and thus seem like eternity?
"God is no longer an explanation of anything but has instead become something that would itself need an insurmountable amount of explaining." In fact, "God" never was an explanation for anything. It's always been used as a pacifier.
What is created never makes the creator directly visible, as a carpenter is not directly visible in the chair he made. But the existense of a chair indirectly indicates a carpenter. Observable evidence for a Creator or Generator behind the Universe cannot ever exist, because if we got such a thing, it would disprove what it tried to prove. It would be similar as saying that the carpener IS the chair that he made. The demand for such kind observable evidence is a self-reference problem, and can therefore never be resolved. Proof of a Creator is not accessible with obervation, because a generator is always different from the generated: So when the generated is the obserable, then hence the generator is unobservable. And additionally an object cannot create itself, because then it would already have existed when it was created. So therefore Reality and its objects has a Creator.
"Mysticism is the claim to the perception of some other reality---other than the one in which we live---whose definition is only that it is not natural, it is supernatural, and has to be perceived by some form of unnatural or supernatural means." -Ayn Rand-
"Mysticism is the acceptance of allegations without evidence as proof, either apart from or against the evidence of one's senses and reason. " -Ayn Rand-
I've never heard an argument from Theists for the existence of God that did not first assume it to be true. If reality is the earth, and god is the sky, Theists always start in the clouds. I have never heard an argument that starts from the ground and builds that ladder to heaven. "Hume wouldn't believe in his own birth because it only happened once." What a disingenuous mung.
I thought that consumption of alcohol was forbidden in Islam. Well, Omar Khayyam was not only a great Persian philosopher, he was also the patron saint of drunks, or at least their poet laureate.
Turek not only insists that there is a creator of the universe, but he insists that the creator is this mythical Jesus character and his personal Christian god. Turek would not be satisfied that you agree in a creator. He would require that you believe in his personal delusion.
How can you argue with irrational, delusional and possibly insane people? Rational discourse can't attack faith because faith is belief without proof, logic or rational thought.
Like Aristotle, Shakespeare, da Vinci, queen victoria. Etc etc. in maybe hundreds of years, the time will come when humanity refers to a time, when Christopher Hitchens spoke.
Listening to Christopher Hichens makes aware of my inability to articulate the thoughts of my mind. Too much math and science and too little word power. I miss him terribly. He was a treasure for all times. Reason and ideas were his weapons and none could take the measure of him. We are so much the better for hearing him articulate a thought against the best thinkers of the Christian faith of our times. He beat them all.
A valuable insight.
Agreed on all points except for Turik being a great thinker. I’m not left with that impression of him. He might be one of the best known apologists, but he’s not very good at it. Then again, how could he be? What he’s defending isn’t true, or at least can’t be proven so.
@@dougwood8499 You were right the first time. He's just as full of shit as Kent Hovind, though at least I haven't heard of Frank being behind bars.
@dougwood8499 I'm uncertain where you saw Turik advocated for (perhaps another comment was deleted), but beyond that... I agree fully.
He was wrong about germ theory. He must not have looked into it. Pure dogma.
I don't regret believing in Christianity when I was young. I learned from my mistakes and have grown and evolved from it. 'I am' much a better person, now that I moved past that stage of my life.
you don't believe in Christianity (which is in fact unworthy of trust). You believe in Christ (and do like he sais), that's called being a Christian
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Christianity is unworthy of trust. Being called a Christian is not worthy of anything worthy but deception and lies. If you claim to be Christian, I no longer trust you. Are you Jim Jones type? Deceptive evangelical type? Fake Christian type? Who are YOU! I now see Christians as the evil type.
I can’t stress enough how important it is to become as educated as you possibly can, in as many fields as you possibly can. Religion is excellent at preying on people’s ignorance.
AG - Well said.
Bravo
More than that: religion not only wants you to be ignorant, it strives to keep you that way. Have you not noticed the outright war that American evangelical Christianity has been waging on public education? Moms for Liberty are about freedom, freedom from factual knowledge so that priests can make kids victims of their lies.
I was a very staunch Atheist, then I studied theoretical physics and became Muslim. The thing about Hitchen's opening rant is the blind eye he turns to the secularism and markets he worships. By simply redefining theism so he's no-longer an idolator (he would have clearly been from ancient Greece through all belief systems up until the Europeans changed the definition to elevate themselves above all others and then go on a worldwide rampage of death). Then the reactions to that rampage of death are analysed as if there's nothing the US did to civilians elsewhere before Sept 11th!
You couldn't make it up. As the quran says; totally blind and wandering.
What was it in physics that convinced you to become a muslim?
My favourite Hitchens observation:
"Where does evil come from?"......."Religion!"
Quick as a flash. OK, it's a cheap shot, but it always makes me laugh! 😉😉
Turek needed that.
One of my fave responses.
Ha true it is sound bite type reply ...but, it is also true.
Composed, confident & on point…”Mr. Hitchens you are the man!”😎
Morality is a part of being a social creature. It’s about what helps the society - the group - thrive and survive and be happy and healthy, whatever achieves those goals. We live together and that means how we treat each other is an evolved thing.
Your comment should have more thumbs up’s
It always seemed to me that morality was just an innate sense of fairness cascading into complexity by language. Language allows us to explain this sense in specific scenarios. Even dogs and cats and infants recognize fairness.
Altruistism is selected for in most social creatures of our genetic stock. Hit the nail on the head.
It's what causes the instinct to call out a warning to others of your kind, even while drawing the attention to yourself of predators, when you spot danger. Rather than being quiet and letting the nearest friendly get picked off, we call out and find survival benefits in reciprocation.
I think everyone but psychopaths and some few others have this feeling. The feeling of belonging, and subsequent responsibility for whatever you feel you belong to - social group, family, humanity as a whole, whichever.
You get a whole lot closer to it with psychedelics, but meditation also helps you start noticing it:
As much as you feel like an individual, you also feel like you are part of, or maybe a little more potently, you ARE in some sense your social group (I think Alan Watts' thoughts on stuff like this are beautiful) - that feeling of the ego having the company of your social group in a visceral sense, and that both must co-exist and thrive, or wither and die.
I think it varies from person to person how important each is in relation to the other - which is why some people act to help others at great cost to themselves, most freeze, and some think mostly or only of themselves when in dire circumstances.
I don't think I'm even close to doing it justice with the above, but hey, I tried.
@cheopatius2579 sociopathy is a complete lack of empathy. About 1% of people are born this way. Biological empathy IS the source of social altruism.
It takes abuse and trauma to turn a sociopaths into a psychopath. Many sociopaths go on to productive lives as CEOs, politicians, etc. This is part of the problem with our corporate culture.
Sociopathic leadership and a lack of ethics drives the current 'avaricious short-term profit over sustainable growth and service' model in our corpracratic system.
To listen to Christopher in person..a dream unfulfilled.
You are allowed to listen to him in eternal life. Wonder how he will plain to you that he was wrong after all. That Jesus appeared to be real.
@@edk484 the idiot hath spoken.
@@tigerbc _Best to be silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt._ -Lisa Simpson
To listen to Christopher Hitchens is eternal beauty and reason.
@@Redstar-f4e I will not be there, but I wonder how he will explain his devote audience that he was wrong after all once in hell
If I was in a debate with Christopher Hitchens about the color of the sky and I was advocating for blue, I wouldn't like my chances! He's been gone for 12 years, yet all his content is still relevant.
He definitely has talent for rhetoric, and in that probably some who would argue for one religion or another could equal him. but unlike them, he is free to apply logic unrestrained by any religious doctrine or nonsensical belief system.
Anyway, I wouldn’t want to tangle with him either😂
Idk if i'm a masochist here, but i could love to get a verbal spanking by the great Hitchens.
Also, the man could never argue against an objective true.
He rather, climb down the pulpit tell you he was wrong and then climb back up again and tell how that the sky is not only blue but beautifully so.
It will be relevant for a long time.
Hopefully the younger generations will see his talks earlier than later in their lives.
Turek makes my brain feel like it's being smeared on a brick wall in the spokes of a tricycle.
I admire Hitch for strength to exchange words with him.
he is dead, I dont believe in people I cant see with my own eyes.
Hitch who? he doesnt exist
@@blackagendermuslim7198 either you are blind or amnesiac or a theist
@@blackagendermuslim7198 you don’t deserve a response and the op was above you and didn’t respond. Good for them. You’re being a troll. You’re being the most insignificant, annoying, aggravating, small and futile aspect of the internet which is a religious troll. The op was better than I am because they didn’t entertain your small and petty attempt to argue about nothing worthwhile. Have a lot of fun and find joy in these very worthy endeavors of yours.
@@blackagendermuslim7198you cannot see a god with your own eyes. No one who has ever lived has seen a god. All we have are peoples claims of seeing such (hallucinations(. So what is your point of your pitiful attempt to cause an argument?
This is a fantastic compilation! Thank you for the definitions. I’ve seen most of these clips before, but was ignorant of many of the terms and references. You have added enlightenment to Hitch’s pearls of wisdom.
me too 👍🏽
Yeah..
Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, and brilliance unbound.
“God Damn” I miss Hitchens. Just the antitheistic Hitch. Who will care enough about his fellow man enough to step up to the plate? If not wear his shoes, at least step into his footsteps. He was a rare one.
Alex O’Connor comes to mind.
@@lauriethomasmd3760no not him. I am a fan of his ,but as an extension of Hitchens? No way…
Im trying everyday and it’s working I must say ,usually people are speechless after my comments but that takes 9 years of studying of hitch
Why dont you and stop waiting and whining
Alex O'Connor. Dude is rad. Not Hitchens. Nobody will. He's worth a listen.
I love the way Hitchens answers the question about the purpose of life. Give an absurd answer to an absurd question.
As of 2023, this man has become (apart from parents and family) the greatest influence in my life. I’m slowly reading and owning all of his books and pabnflits.
He has a lot to give humanity in his words.
Same here , what a guy we need him now more than ever
Don’t be afraid to find fault and what Hitchins says.
There might be few people with a gift for arguing and debating as well as he does, but many more of us can find ways to improve on his arguments and come up with alternative arguments that might work better sometimes.
Remember, he’s not some holyprophet . He’s just a guy gifted, but just a guy.
When you have no argument, scream!
😂
There is the story of a minister that would have his wife look over his sermons and make suggestions and a common suggestion was “ weak point, speak loudly”.
Christopher Hitchens is immortal. ❤
Thank you friend
Frank's biggest mistake was assuming that there could ever be such a thing as objective morality. Morality is the evaluation by an agent of an agent's actions (either in the past, present, or possible future) as to whether those actions further or hinder an empathy-derived goal, usually that of increasing human thriving and decreasing human suffering. Because it depends on an agent's perception, it can only be subjective.
What Frank wants is the ability to proclaim the things he finds immoral to be affronts to the universe and to have divine sanction to enforce his morality upon others. The reality is that all he can ever have is an opinion.
My thinking is the roots of morality are in the natural world.
A mother caring for her offspring is probably the beginning of morality . Some animals make better mothers than others. Apparently cooperation and caring have turned out to have value outside of the mother child relationship. I would say it’s are you a bowl? That moral decisions were being made long before they were human beings, at least among the higher mammals.
I think people sometimes need to look add what is before they start in on their intellectual concepts.
Religious people claiming objective morality is so frustrating. God is literally the SUBJECT, his laws change over time, and every moral act is not moral in every scenario. Quite literally the opposite of objective.
@@johns1625 I've pointed this out for years. A question that I haven't had answered is if a theist believes that their morality is objective how is it that in the last 2000 years god hasn't made any proclamations as to morality changing yet morality, in almost all societies, continues to evolve.
@@johns1625
buTh wiThout HiM iTs SUbJECtiVe Bro - some theist prolly without realizing that even if his gawd existed it would still be subjective since it would be his gawd opinion on what is good/bad.
For me cosmic nihilism and Epicureanism are ftw. Life is long and painful so why not enjoy it in peace n harmony?
Thank goodness for Hitchens
Thank God for sending Jesus
@@edk484 you are welcome
@@TheMcmansilla very funny! Seriously, everybody is welcome to spend eternity with Jesus. It is an invitation you either accept or reject. Free choice
@@edk484 " Choose ye this day, this hour, for no Redeemer liveth! "
-Arthur Desmond-1890
@@BeefT-Sq no Christopher Hitchens liveth, Jesus killed him.
Damn i miss Christopher Hitchens.
Well done compilation and annotations. Thanks!
Glad you liked :)
The intellect just oozes out. Christopher Hitchens is impossible to match.
The Jimmy Hendrix of atheism
Well put?
It's sad to me that Turek still has followers today in 2024. 🤦♂️
We live in interesting times. 🥴
Why do religious people keep getting away with this argument that the “ universe” came into existence out of nothing?
Is there any reason to believe that there was a time where nothing existed?
Is there any reason to believe that matter and energy in some form haven’t always existed?
Through the work of Einstein, Hubble and Lemaitre it was demonstrated that the universe had a beginning, now refined to have been about 13.8 billion years ago. The atheist position is that the nothingness that preceded the Big Bang created the universe. The Christian position is that an intelligent agent created the universe by willing it into existence from nothing.
@@judbergan8967You incorrectly state the ‘atheist position’.
We don’t know what preceded the Big Bang or indeed what sat outside the compacted singularity.
Something came from something.
Thank you for the definitions! Very smart to add on behalf of my ignorance.
Mine too. Hitchens made reference to a lot things / people I wasn't familiar with. I wish I could retain and readily access learning the way he did.
That first guy arrogantly asked that question, and you could hear in his voice that regardless of whatever Hitchens said, it would go in one ear and out the other.
Frank Tureks ignorant projection is so frustrating. He claims atheists believe the universe came from nothing when the only people who believe that are the religious. He claims he has a foundation for objective morality when god is literally the subject of it and it changes and is not true in all scenarios.
Frank Turek is Fake. One of the WORST apologetics on this planet.
@@johns1625 where does the universe come from in your opinion ?
Superb by hitchens once again....
A question for adults: if you were deciding where to send your children to a particular university or college and prior to their admission, you were to receive a letter of explanation from a few of the universities that stated:
a) that several of their professors, for the past century and more, were regrettably, in fact, guilty of raping thousands of college students, both boys and girls
b) that the university was well aware of who these offenders were
C) it was current school policy and within the scope of their authority of that the university did not report these rapists to police
d) the university insisted instead on a policy of secrecy and shelter and offered these raping professors a salary, sinecures and substantial legal protection.
e) the rights of the raping professors exceeded those of the victims
Who would, for a nanosecond, consider sending their child to this college or university?
Shall I answer my own question? Not one thinking adult would do such a horrific thing to their very own flesh and blood. Why is it then, that millions still send their kids to Catholic elementary or high schools, or still donate money, or stocks, bonds, art or land to the Catholic church? The millions of people that still support this atrocious organization are to me, intellectually defective and questions of abnormal psychology have to be raised.
Rid yourself of religious beliefs, shed them like a snake sheds it's own skin. Think for yourself.
13 years gone, and thus far he has proven irreplaceable.
He was a great speaker, a unique mind. Wish I'd seen him when he was live, and sad that he died so young.
I can’t believe it has been 13 years since we lost this man.
Terrible
He is lost forever I am afraid
"The atheist position is not that there is no god. It is that there is no good reason to believe there is."
"If men hold a rational philosophy, including the conviction that they possess free will, the image of a hero guides and inspires them."
-Ayn Rand-
HITCHED TO A STAR HIS LEGACY WILL CARRY ON
THANK YOU HITCH YOU ARE MISSED YOU LEFT US STRONGER
He was such a eloquent man
I became a fan of Hitch while he was still here.
I couldn't get enough of his videos.
I wish I could watch them for the first time all over again.
Oh god May 2021 and this sounds soo topical it’s like he’s still here criticizing current events. 2:50
It’s remarkable how CH was able to speak so well whilst drunk.
You cut off the most important part of the audience members question....at the end he asks: "Why don't you just stay home?".....and this was Hitch' s epic response.
Such articulation and moral clarity without a trace of pomposity or arrogance
Religion does poison everything because it proposes simplistic irrational and unprovable solutions to very complex enigmas thereby preempting further research and contemplation
Sorely miss this great mind/man.
Thank god for Chris Hitch, and his disciples Dawkins, Harris, Chomsky, Gervais, et al😊
Christopher.
I would call Frank Turek a used car salesman, but when you leave a used car dealership, you have something useful
Hellooo
knock knock
--"Who is it?"
-"It's me, Jesus. Let me in."
--"Why do you want in?"
-"I want to save you."...
--"Save me from what?"
-"From what I'll do to you if you don't let me in.
Thanks for the definitions. Very helpful.
of the estimated 109 Billion people who have ever lived only 144,000 are going to heaven? as a creator he is not very good at it. hows that for statistics?
Just the best.
Very well put Hitchens. However, the people that have the power of believing in something because they lack the ability to have humanistic humility to understand that they know nothing about something extremely complex during Sciences infancy.. Can never be forgiving and will never back down. Forever will they back peddle through out the existence of time until we either perish or we push them into a corner to almost nothingness.
The fear of God once needed to have moral high ground. We have evolved to be better humans even without it. But now we detest most religious practices and have a new surge of people believing but not practicing because they think the Fear of god or fear taught in the Bible was a misinterpretation of how God truly is. Now they have back peddled thousands of years of famine,war, humiliation, assault, and malevolent teachings in order to virtue signal their belief in what, I would suppose, logical people would deem irrelevant today and no longer needed in order to survive.
It requires a truly staggering level of arrogance to cling to religious dogma, dismissing any scientific discovery that dares challenge its tenets, while in the same breath exploiting the fruits of science to prop up flimsy theological claims. All the while, they luxuriate in the comforts and advancements of a modern, science-driven society, blissfully unaware of the rank hypocrisy at play.
I love how there are thousands of Hitch compilations on RUclips, but virtually none of the people he debated. Atheism is winning and 60% of generation Z are non-religious.
I miss Hitch...
Same here. Good to still have him with us through vids.
who is that? is that your imaginary friend?
do you have any proof Hitch, even exists? is he your imaginary friend?
Hi Bill - Do we have proof Hitch existed? I guess you mean apart from people who knew him, family friends, colleagues, not to mention all the people who saw him at lectures, TV and radio appearances, vids like this one, his writing books and articles etc. Yes I think we can safely say Hitch existed.
I mean, it's not like accepting his past existence was based just on the word of some lonely goat herder or the like, who claimed Hitch spoke to him in secret and that he met him far away from people on some remote mountain somewhere is it?
@@Boxspot does hitch exist, now? do you believe in someone who does not exist? is it logical to believe in someone you think does not exist? do you have a problem with Christians who believe in Jesus Christ/God whom you think does not exist? LOL LOL
1 It would be embarrassing to explain the difference between miracle and a singularity ..lol.
2. All you would be left with is an empty sac.. ..
I think Christopher had a lot of fun with the Christian guy at the end. His ending of explanation of what is purpose of life just proves my point further ( crowing over peoples misery..lol)
RIP Hitch 🙌
Some design by the way... it's the one line dismissal of creationism.. i miss him too.
(***The biologically immortal organisms that lack senescence are already extremely great proof
for God and his design but if you want more.....
The 3 main forms of evidence that would be acceptable and legitimate in a court of law for the
existence of God would be.....
"Life after Death experience studies where people witness a creator God-
" iands.org/resources/education/recommended-reading.html "
" time.com/68381/life-beyond-death-the-science-of-the-afterlife-2/ ", ..........
Multiple Studies on the effectiveness of prayer from multiple religions involving a creator God
like in the book "The Divine Matrix by Gregg Braden" "
www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_2_13?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=divine
+matrix+gregg+braden&sprefix=divine+matrix%2Cstripbooks%2C195&crid=3BXKVNJABO9OK " along with
other such studies proving a positive co-relation, ...... Positive co-relation to prayer in a
peer reviewed study..........
jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/485161 ............
and scientific facts mentioned in the Bible before their human discovery by a divine influence,
www.eternal-productions.org/101science.html .......
For example…..
1. The singing stars. Job 38:7 declares the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God
shouted for joy. It sounds like a bit of Bible poetry but not much more. After all, stars shine,
not sing, right? Well, it turns out scientists have been able to convert patterns from start
light into audio wavelengths, according to Discovery News. The “amount of hiss” in the audio
reportedly allows scientists to measure the surface gravity on a star and gauge where it is in
its stellar evolution.
2. Weight of the winds. In Job 28:25, we are told that God weighed out the wind. This one may be
no more self-evident to us than it was to an ancient Israelite reader of this text. But, we know
from modern science that air, since it does have mass, weighs something. You might be surprised
to know how much though: an estimated one ton of air is weighing down on shoulders, according to
this science site (which explains that we don’t feel it because the air is exerting its force in
all directions). This is pretty basic stuff for modern scientists, but it’s quite a credit to the
inerrancy of Scripture that the author of Job got it right so long ago (approximately in the
second millennium BC).
3. A massive fountain of water deep beneath the Earth!!! Genesis 7:11 "In the six hundredth year
of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the
fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened."
www.thesun.co.uk/news/2242110/scientists-discovered-water-from-biblical-great-flood-in-
worlds-deepest-hole/
www.express.co.uk/news/weird/733026/Russia-science-Kola-borehole-Noah-floodwater-Bible-
Genesis-theory-of-12
creation.com/oceans-of-water-deep-inside-the-earth
"Scientists dig the world’s deepest hole - and find ‘water from NOAH’S FLOOD’ at the bottom The
revelation also reportedly "disproves the myth" that the earth is made up of dry rocky layers"
All these would stand the scrutiny of a judge and jury for the case of a creator Gods existence
and the legitimacy of the Christian Faith!!!
But I am feeling generous so I will give you two more great forms of evidence, how about this
book where a forensic officer who is atheist studies and researches the Bible to see if it proves
a historical Jesus and if he was murdered wrongfully?
Cold-Case Christianity: A Homicide Detective Investigates the Claims of the Gospels
www.amazon.com/Cold-Case-Christianity-Homicide-Detective-Investigates/dp/1434704696,
afterward he became Christian!!!
Also, why don't you just pray to God yourself and ask him if he is real? What more can I say???
Then you would have
personal evidence and proof of Gods interaction yourself.....
I mean, there is actually way way way more evidence for God than this but it either would go over
your head or you would not understand it properly and you would question it, but this is really
solid evidence and proof I have given you up above that would hold up in a court of
law........... if you decide to RUN from it, at
least admit to yourself that is what you are doing........
Do you believe your life, body, family and the ground you walk on are all a gift or something
else? If you believe they are all something else then what do you think they all are then?***)
Hitch doesnt even exist. is this hitch your imaginary best friend?
@@blackagendermuslim7198notice how no one is responding to you???? We know what you are…
@@blackagendermuslim7198 "To the [mystic], emotions are tools of cognition , and wishes take precedence over facts."
-Ayn Rand-
My atheism: you don’t believe in all those past fictitious gods. I’m just honest enough to include the ones you cling on to as well.
Franks struggle with reality....
Terrified to die lol he (like many) just want more and more!
The best video of Hitches
Glad you liked.
do you believe in people you cant see?
@@blackagendermuslim7198hey idiot. Why are asking the same futile question over and over? You must be the absolute worst ever…
I tear up every time I watch him. Thank you for a great video!
Thanks Morgan - glad you liked it -live long and prosper!
you are not watching him, he is dead. I am not sure he ever existed
is this your imaginary best friend, I dont believe in something that doesnt exist?
still no is one responding to you…
@@blackagendermuslim7198you are a very low, small, petty, arrogant and contentious person. You are a person I hope I never come across
Empathy, like love and hate, are the words we humans use to describe naturally occuring emotions and actions
Come on people, make your voice known. What a beautiful man of reason!
We simply experience life and realize hey I shouldn’t lie to everybody or be violent or kill others because we don’t want them to do that to us.. it’s survival.
The assertion that a thing is evidence of something is itself an assertion that depends upon the ignorance of the listener. There was an evolution of consciousness. A very interesting book by Princeton Psychologist, Julian Jaynes on the subject "The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind" provides a good roadmap of how the stages of human self-conscience developed. The process included and includes minds that "get stuck" somewhere between the schizophrenic and the brain that is lateralized enough for a person to know that they are who they are and the voices they hear are not another person or, as occurred when the right charisma or social conditions.
Turek's career as a top tier apologist:
'If there is anything that we don't have the answer to, or can't explain, that means... "God!"
Now we can fully understand that thing ;-)
I sometimes cry because he is gone
Yup. Why I love these RUclips videos. Keeping the Hitch/Love alive!
The best quote i ever heard was from an atheist ...which is I WILL GO TO HELL FOR THE COMPANY ..BUT I WOULD PREFERE HEAVEN FOR THE CLIMATE ...
Hell is where Satan rules ,,,could be anywhere even here on earth in some places . and heaven is where God rules ,,,,,also here on earth in some places , and also keep in mind that the universum has no limit .
what do dead atheist know?, Nothing
@@blackagendermuslim7198clever sir. So extremely clever.
"..and im not gonna move an inch." Good man!
The Catholic priest/professor at the university of Louvain/Leuven who "invented" the Big Bang theory was Georges Lemaître. Sorry for the late answer Christopher Hitchens... miss you!
Hitch destroying religious bs from beyond the grave. If you still believe: feel better.
What is outside? The Universe may be finite, if so there is nothing outside, if there is something outside then it is part of the universe since the universe includes everything by definition. So we have to understand what this 'nothing' means. Not what is contained in an empty box. Not what is contained in the voids between the galaxies but absolutely nothing, not even the quantum vacuum. Asking what is outside a finite universe is like asking what is north of the North Pole.
Since the Universe is a singular entity-One-thing, a Whole, a Totality, the sum of existence-described by the General Theory of Relativity as a finite-yet-boundless non-Euclidean hypersphere (a sphere without an "edge" or an "outside"), it does not expand into anything. Not even "nothing" exists "outside of the Universe"; indeed, there is no "outside" and no "nothing."
This concept of Oneness and Wholeness is challenging for humans to grasp. We are binary thinkers, accustomed to dichotomies such as yes/no, true/false, 1/0, inside/outside, and before/after. Additionally, the Universe we perceive appears to be three-dimensional, Euclidean, or "made of straight lines", consequently, we naturally think in binaries and straight lines. However, it is not impossible to understand the Universe's true nature if one studies non-Euclidean geometry-a type of geometry where "parallel lines meet at infinity" and the shortest distance is not a straight line but a "curve" or geodesic.
For a good starting point, I recommend the book Flatland by Edwin A. Abbott.
@@donthesitatebegin9283 As it happens I have, with far fewer words, very recently attempted to explain somewhere here what nothing means when it applies to the nonexistenet 'outside' of a finite universe.
Are you aware that Einstein's General Relativity is widely thought to be incomplete? Your attempt to explain or illustrate some of the concepts says nothing to the point. You have completely ignored the simple point that anything that exists is part of the Universe so it is nonsense to say that something created the Universe from nothing when that something is part of the Universe.
I read Flatland many years ago when it was mentioned in Mathematical Games in the Scientific American, which was edited by Martin Gardner. I recommend anything by him.
@@philipsmith1990Riiight (what a wanker!).
Best. Hitchslap. Forever, now.
the priest who came up with the big bang theory was Georges Lemaître
The one thing that actually irked me about Hitchens is the way he kept misrepresenting Thomas Jefferson's position on religion. Jefferson was not a proper Deist. He didn't reject the notion that God played some role in the world, or even an afterlife. He certainly rejected many points of Christian doctrine, but rejecting particular points of a particular religion's doctrine does not a Deist make. If anything, he was closer to a Unitarian than a Deist.
"where do you get morailty from" is a non sequitor, so is "who are you disappointing...".
It used to be, not JUST excused by religion...but a "moral" obligation, to burn witches at the stake.
It used to be immoral to marry outside of your race (also religously backed ironically, in all cultures at different points in time).
It used to morally acceptable even considered a "service to savages" to keep slaves. (Some areas of the world still believe this, backed by religion of course).
Morality, a word humans made, with latin and english and french origins...simply is a stand in for whatever humans deem to be acceptable behavior.
Does that mean it is entirely openly flexible...no. It is on a spectrum - at the center are generally held views that allow for community/society/survival: not killing or being violent, not hurting women or children, not taking things that are not yours...etc.
At the extremes, they are either short lived or very few who have a brain that allows them to adhere.
On one end...there are things like ISIL who find raping children and burning people alive for not praying correctly in their view...to be complete acceptable, actually an obligation.
On the other end you have extreme pacifists who would not hurt a worm if they can avoid it.
Now ...to really see how deeply separated religion is from morality...simply look at the spectrum, where is religion more and less likely? Are there religions promoting: "be normal, dont hurt anyone, dont try to control people, etc." and are ok with "preaching" common morality? Or does it love to and get tempted to veer towards the extremes where power over other humans and the feeling of power over one's self is more precarious but also more palpable?
Morality comes from biology + human writing/learning/reflection/experience. Religion, tries to fit into a container an antiquates itself in doing so.
As plainly read throughout Kings II, Leviticus, Hadith, etc.
@32 min I love how they demand we explain something that I personally don't give a f about . Why should I have to explain to you why I don't believe in Harry potter (God) as real or as part of reality
31:39 Does it come from the benzene molecule, the carbon molecule, the oxygen molecule.
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Carbon and oxygen are not molecules. They are atoms. Graphite is a molecule, diamond is a molecule and dioxygen (O2) is a molecule.
Morality comes from the human mind. We are emotional machines. We dislike pain. We dislike being cheated. We don't have to be kicked, pushed to the ground, having our things that we worked for stolen from us.
The human mind exists because the brain exists. Yes, it is made of a large number of neurons connected together. It is some kind of a processor of data and thought generator.
The brain is a neural circuit.
If we had no emotions, then there would not be laws such as "Don't kill", "Don't steal", "Don't touch my butt".
Even if you don't believe in materialism, the reason why you have certain rules is due to emotions.
louis - you're right of course about the brain - incidentally, you might find this interesting: ruclips.net/video/nzXXV7uT9bE/видео.html. As for emotions, a necessary part of the evolutionary process and as perhaps reflected by compassion, caring, etc seen in animals?
+Boxspot:
That's pretty good. He has ideas that I had not considered such as when he said that language is digitization.
The human voicebox is capable of producing only certain sounds. Out of those sounds, a portion has been selected and represented as letters. Some languages have more letters than others.
We combine those letters to make a certain sound wave called a word.
There is a very limited number of letters.
There are quite a lot of words but they are still limited.
Putting words together to make sentences gives a huge numbers of combinations but that too is limited.
Humans have been doing all that without thinking much about it. Thinking about it is not a necessity.
louise - glad you also found it interesting.
He keeps asking what chemical makes you feel like this or that as if chemicals couldn't possibly change the way you feel. Alcohol and other drugs are all chemicals!
Morality for atheists comes from the good of the society and what they consider morality - it may differ from yours but it is moral
Created a sinner and sick, commanded to be well. That is deep.
Hitch is immortal... Thanks to RUclips
God breathed in Adam. God is eternal, by breathing in us we are all eternal beings. The question is where we will spend eternity. 1) death, devil, darkness 3xd or 2) live, light, live 3x L
With or without Jesus
@@edk484 😂😂 yeah ..Right oh
I am a Gravitarian. I believe in gravity.
The centre of the Earth is about 2 years younger than its surface. This is due to the gravitational force at the centre, which makes time slow down there. Now imagine all of the mass of the universe concentrated in a small volume, would not the passage of time slow to a stop and thus seem like eternity?
"God is no longer an explanation of anything but has instead become something that would itself need an insurmountable amount of explaining."
In fact, "God" never was an explanation for anything.
It's always been used as a pacifier.
there is no hate like christian love
I am an Ex-Christian. I don't want to be like them. (Evil)
Turek uses ‘ontological’ in so many different ways that it proves he doesn’t know what it means
What is created never makes the creator directly visible, as a carpenter is not directly visible in the chair he made. But the existense of a chair indirectly indicates a carpenter. Observable evidence for a Creator or Generator behind the Universe cannot ever exist, because if we got such a thing, it would disprove what it tried to prove. It would be similar as saying that the carpener IS the chair that he made. The demand for such kind observable evidence is a self-reference problem, and can therefore never be resolved. Proof of a Creator is not accessible with obervation, because a generator is always different from the generated: So when the generated is the obserable, then hence the generator is unobservable. And additionally an object cannot create itself, because then it would already have existed when it was created. So therefore Reality and its objects has a Creator.
"Mysticism is the claim to the perception of some other reality---other than the one in which we live---whose definition is only that it is not natural, it is supernatural, and has to be perceived by some form of unnatural or supernatural means."
-Ayn Rand-
Poor frank doesn’t stand a chance, maybe he should start arguing at a pre school for some practice...
The only hope for humanity a Giant Asteroid.
Me too my friend.
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"The thief comes to steal, murder and destroy. I am come that they may have life, and have it abundantly."
"Mysticism is the acceptance of allegations without evidence as proof, either apart from or against the evidence of one's senses and reason. "
-Ayn Rand-
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So far, 13 people wish to live as abject slaves.
I've never heard an argument from Theists for the existence of God that did not first assume it to be true. If reality is the earth, and god is the sky, Theists always start in the clouds. I have never heard an argument that starts from the ground and builds that ladder to heaven.
"Hume wouldn't believe in his own birth because it only happened once." What a disingenuous mung.
I thought that consumption of alcohol was forbidden in Islam. Well, Omar Khayyam was not only a great Persian philosopher, he was also the patron saint of drunks, or at least their poet laureate.
Replace the B and the i with the sixth and first letter of the English alphabet, respectively, and you have a book that would rival Tolkien's trilogy.
Naw, even then it would be hard to read because it's hard to slog through, is poorly written, and regularly contradicts itself.
Turek not only insists that there is a creator of the universe, but he insists that the creator is this mythical Jesus character and his personal Christian god. Turek would not be satisfied that you agree in a creator. He would require that you believe in his personal delusion.
How can you argue with irrational, delusional and possibly insane people? Rational discourse can't attack faith because faith is belief without proof, logic or rational thought.
Like Aristotle, Shakespeare, da Vinci, queen victoria. Etc etc. in maybe hundreds of years, the time will come when humanity refers to a time, when Christopher Hitchens spoke.
Queen Victoria?
@@MDLR18 Victorian era
51:44 Hitch, Turdlick definitely is holding an “empty sac”, alright. 😂
His brother is the opposite he embraced Christianity
Wanna know the ultimate leap of faith? If a creative supermind is called for it must be God.