To all the people commenting that I should have played the worst matchup, I already have a video on this that shows at the first 5 seconds of the video.
You should have played tank in that video, but you chickened out and just rolled low rank plebs on damage heroes. If you really believe that counter picking on tank is not a thing, then play the worst matchup on tank in your rank and not some lower ranked games.
@@Void619 His entire point is that if you’re better than someone it doesn’t matter who you play. But if he plays against people who are as good as him then it’s gonna be a 50/50 and his point won’t be proven. If you’re in a low rank and he showed you that countering doesn’t apply to low ranks you got nothing to complain about.
@@Void619i made my way to top 14 otp dva. You think they dont pick zayra/mei/symm? I won anyways, if you are here, at least tey to improve and stop this bs about counters.
@@Void619 he did an unranked to GM rein only and ball only. Ofc in those games, he had games where he was playing against entire teams trying to counter his one trick pick. Doesn't that prove you wrong already?
Me and friends played against this tank who died once and countered within the first second of the game. So our tank countered and this kept happening through the entire game.
I dont think anybody has ever denied that if youre better than the enemy tank you dont need to counterswap. But if youre evenly matched countering definitely makes the match a whole lot easier. Theres no myth here lol
That’s the point he’s making. If you focus on getting better instead of counter picking and who’s meta then it’s a better use of time. If your good counterpicking doesn’t exist
@danielmcgrath680 100% agree. I really like awkwards vids but this one was a miss for me. Counterpicking 100% works most the time in an even match. I've lost count of how many times I've seen games completely turn around for my team or the other because of a simple counter swap.
@@danielmcgrath680that 28% winrate is only indicative that you need to work on your Winston more. You're never gonna get your Winston wr if you just swap and don't fucking play the hero. The only time swapping would be necessary is if you're forcing it in top 500+
Some of the people I play with literally don't talk about any sort of strategy or different playstyle if they're losing, it's literally just "hmm what should I swap to"
This is mainly tanks and dps, as a suppprt player you can play kiri ana and bap and instantly get value but if a shitty tank is counterpicked and killed every fight then he will swap as the solution.
I pretty much just stay Winston no matter what, because the enemy team is going to self-destruct with toxicity when they go full counter picks and aren't auto winning. I don't think I've actually ever lost to a Hog or Mauga player even in D1-M4 because they spend the ENTIRE game going "must counter monkey, must counter monkey" except my mobility is 20x better and I just literally never let them take the 1v1 against me. So I spend all match killing their team, while they spend all match trying and failing to kill me. I take full map control against their team and they're left with no angles, eventually my team shreds their tanks, I don't need to be able to 1v1 a Hog or Mauga because eventually we'll just 5v1 them.
I really thank you for all these psychological tips such as my teammates arent stopping me, counters dont matter, yelling at ur teammates wont help (took me a long time to realise that), etc. Ever since I tried looking at my mistakes from my gameplay, it felt like i was getting better and better and today, after not playing all week so i can watch my VODs and aim train, in 2 hours i ranked up from diamond 5 to to halfway dm2 Edit: it's been 2 months and now I'm m1 right around the edge for gm. Wish me luck!
I have a rule for counterpicking, if the enemy team has three or more characters that i feel are countering me, and i cant make it work, then i swap. Im a genji one trick so if i swapped every time i got "countered" id literally never play my hero. If they play zarya, no problem, if they play moira zarya, no problem, if they play moira zarya and another "counter", ill try and make it work but if i cant i swap to reaper or solider (the only heroes i even have a clue how to play, again im a genji otp). The amount of times that i am getting countered by 3 heroes, and i cant make it work at all, are pretty rare, meaning i get to play my hero and improve. Also love how whenever a team is losing its always because im playing genji into my "counter". "Were losing becaue of you, they are playing sym get off genji". Meanwhile ive killed the sym 5 times and the only one killing me is their cree who has cracked aim. Sure im having trouble, but its not cause of the "counter", its cause the other dps has higher skill than me. Swapping to a hero im worse at wont help me deal with the counter that hasnt even been the reason im struggling XD. lol, everytime someone says "get off genji they are playing counters" im like "if i swapped evertime they played a flying or beam character id never even get to play my hero".
i feel like you don’t realize how much the ow community actually hates genji until you pick him up for yourself. even when i was tryna learn him in QUICK PLAY, after a single team fight they went zarya, mei, sym, moira, brig. how many kills did i get in the first team fight? 2. just 2.
@@ysmmac6015 One thing that is interesting is that most people know all the counters, dps, tank and support against tanks. Not so much for dps and supports, However, a few characters in the dps and support roster do still have this community knowledge and "vendetta". Imo genji is the one that people actively think to counter the most. Another honourable mention would be like pharah (go hitscan). Yes people know counters to almost every hero, but tanks, and it feels like genji really like, people hone in on making your life miserable. Cant tell you how many times ive had a dps switch to sombra and literally follow me around all game hacking me whenever i try to do something, i remember it was so bad once, that I literally would just wait for the 8 second cooldown to wear off and anticipate that the second it was gone the sombra would come in again for the hack, and used that as my opportunity. Another reason people love counterswapping genji, is that most genjis have no idea how to play into their counters. Ive worked a lot on it and can comfortably say that mei, sym, pharah, moira, and zarya no longer pose an issue if its just them and maybe somone else countering. Still struggle a lot with sombra though. been working on that.
@@noahm6782 yea i’m still fairly new to genji and even tho it pisses me off i gotta learn how to play into anything. it’s just so frustrating when one of your 2 cool downs becomes pretty much useless. one time i played doom and this ana after the game literally said sorry to me because she was only using sleep and nade to make my life miserable. i typed back “it’s all good, i gotta learn how to play into it anyway.” it’s just sometimes i play that game in a bad mood and getting cc’d to oblivion or counterswapped while playing the one hero that made me boot up the game that day is insanely tilting lol
@@bubtyh4408 wasn’t being malicious, get off ur high horse and stop being pussy to help others by correcting their mistakes. obviously ur wasn’t a mistake
Bro played mauga into hog, didn’t shoot the hog, sprinted straight into 5 people and exploded and said “how did I die I countered him “ like he doesn’t know how to take cover as a top 10 tank
This video just proves counter picking works. Yes, you're not just going to win instantly because you're on the optimal tank pick, but the only way to have agency as a tank in solo queue is to be on the optimal pick at all times, or at least close to optimal. A tank that your team can work with that doesn't get shut down by the enemy team.
Not going to lie, I'm always very flattered when the enemy Tank swaps to Zarya. I believe that means they think my Dva is the "problem." It doesn't usually help them tho, I just stay out of their beam range. But still, flattering.
exactly. most unfavorable tank matchups are solved by just avoiding the other tank. i think it only becomes a problem with heroes like orisa, because they can just rotate all their cds on you and completely remove you from the game, and there's nothing within your power to avoid it on some heroes
@@kaiki-desu8193 the idea is to take off angles or high ground and kill squishies instead of trying to 1v1 the zarya. it's a given that playing dva only from range doesn't make sense; i'm pretty sure they weren't saying that
@@Paul-zh2jp This works to some extent until you're trying to play ball into hog and there's a 40 meter wide circle of death that the enemy supports simply have to play inside to be protected from me(the diameter of roadhog's hook range). Like if there's a massive skill diff I'll just juke his hooks or kill supports so fast that he doesn't respond but it's really not that hard to listen for the giant metal ball rolling in and then hook the gigantic hamsterball. Countering is a gradient, and obviously isn't just the hero but the play-style around it, some counter strategies are just far simpler than others. Obviously Awkward is a far better player than me but even this gameplay shows it, he's not used to play the hog countering winston style at all. He hooks into winstons bubble and then lets his Ana die when he could have played it patient and waited till bubble breaks expires or he gets a support hoook to trade out but instead he greeds rushing into the bubble and missing hook, winston jumps his ana now that hook has no CD and kills her then because the enemy team swaps tank he goes in an feeds intentionally to try and swap off, then forgets to swap off and goes back and ultis. Like entertaining as fuck but he's doing a bit at that point and then uses him almost getting capped on there as an example of how counterpicking wasn't really effective (when you're actively feeding while you have ulti up to swap for the lulz) Some tanks just need to augment their playstyle to deal with various "counters' others have trouble leveraging any value at all verse certain tanks playing certain ways. Thank you for coming to my tedtalk. That said I do find it pretty funny how many people spend half the game swapping while trying to find the perfect counter while just getting rolled on by skill diff and never building up an ulti.
@@kaiki-desu8193 Bro Zarya only has 2 bubbles and her beam range isn't infinite. You're literally the type of person awkward always clowns in these videos.
@@ghostlump843yes obviously there is a point where skill > counter swaps. no one has every argued anything different. the point is if i’m on dva and my opponent is on zarya and we are 100% evenly matched in every other aspect, im going to have a harder time than the zar simply because of the type of kits we have.
To be honest i always thought that you can play any tank and tank counters help you win but the counter itself wont be like a free win button. HOWEVER dps countering tanks are a really big problem. I think dps countering tanks are way more impactful than tank countering tanks. (Ex doom gets countered by orisa and hog but still able to outplay and go for backline, but for dps cass/sombra are literally almost impossible to counter)
@@battlehotdog yeah just look through awkward videos he don’t post much. It was like “i played the WORST matchups to prove counter picking doesn’t exist” maybe?
I main rein and I don’t think ram is a good counter to him… When ramattra came out, he was a monster but nowadays his ultimate isn’t eternal and it’s easy to kite when he’s on nemesis form. The major counter is orisa, always feel like hell playing against the demonic horse but never swap, honor is greater than defeat
The problem with people who talk about counter swapping is they are too smart. Ram doesn’t counter you directly, but he makes your job very unfun at times. He can pressure you and your shield AND anyone who is around you…( who whole point of rein brawl is to stay together) it’s not like you couldn’t beat a ram in a 1v1 on rein, but when it comes time to play the team game, Ram’s job is to make your job miserable. Same with most cases of counter swapping. Then the counters stack up on the enemy team and suddenly the game becomes unplayable on ur certain character when your rank is current for the season and u aren’t in placements
As a rammatra player i agree. The reason why i won against most rein players is because they were very bad, they were overextending ect. The times where i lost against rein players was when they were really good(it wasn't my teams fault, truth be told, i got diffed so hard in those games).
An equally good rein vs ram, rein will always win. Rein counters ram. Ppl just think hur dur punch through shield. Yeah man, u disengage when he’s in punch mode and maul him when he’s out of it.
I've found that doom can be a good sigma counter in the right hands. You can cancel his ult and his succ, plus he doesn't have the movement to prevent you from diving supports
Counterpicking isn't really about the tank matchup, though. As a top 500 flex tank, the main issue is that the higher up you go, the more you ignore the enemy tank. What realistically pushes you to counter swap are the supports and the DPS. If I'm playing Roadhog and the enemy goes Orisa, I'm going to ignore the Orisa primarily. There's some gameplay variety, but if they go Ana, Tracer, I provide no value. Because I'm the singular tank on the team, we, in terms of total value, have the worst comp. If we were playing on an equal level, they win simply because of counterpicking. That's why in Overwatch2, counterpicking is more oppressive.
Counter picking sometimes can work in low ranks but eventually people are going to be able to take advantage of the fact that you aren’t good at a hero because you use counter picking as a crutch.
This is such a smooth brain approach. Counterpicking is based on the entire enemy team, and the skill of the enemy. I've had people play Zarya against my Dva but they clearly don't understand how she works and they eventually swap despite being on the better pick. You can also be on a good pick relative to the enemy tank but if the enemies are running Zen/Ana then going Orisa is likely not a good idea. You have to take the whole situation into account but your video over simplifies the game to the point of being useless.
Counter picking isnt necessarily tank vs tank. Its also swapping supp and dps to fill a problem area and gap. If they have a hog/mauga, you go ana+zen/reaper+bastion for example. Even in plat/diam where tanks are sometimes ignoring each other when they can, these swaps make the game easier.
I actually hope you lose every match to stop the counterpick pandemic. It’s sad how people sometimes rotate through to all the “counters” without really playing the game, only to end up on the hero they started with after a match of practically having no clue. A better option would be to sometimes swap to a hero that fits your team better so you learn to play in certain comps or just stay at the hero you want to play and use your brain a bit more.
sometimes, you have statistics on this? it isn't some rule where you have to swap, it's contextual. And it works every time, you have to deliberately make a scenario where it doesn't. Then zathren says the same thing all over again, no one ever switches that much.
I think this is ultimately a case of: do you want to learn or do you want to win? If you play your character against your counters you will learn more. If I could play my main all matches without getting asked to swap I would. My opinion is that I can't be selfish though (in ranked). I have 4 teammates that, generally speaking, want to win and I wouldn't stay on my character if I'm being countered AND they ask me to swap AND I think I'm underperforming. If someone wants statistical data about swapping, KMK made a video about swapping, and the players swap more the higher rank you go up to gm, where it starts decreasing because people basically only play meta. The roles that swap the most are tank, then dps, then support. The video was made before orisa got dismembered in the latest patch, and orisa was both the most countered tank and the tank people swapped to the most lol.
@@stowlicters8362 Assuming you are trying to say something useful, can you please explain what it is you want to say? Im interested in your view on this matter but this is a bit confusing to read. I say sometimes, but you want statistics? on what sometimes is? If I am correct you say that it is not a rule and that it is contextual (I assume you mean that it is not a must and with that I totally agree) It is not a rule, but it always works you say if I am correct? (That is something of which I would like to have some statistics if it is true please) and then you need to deliberately try to not make a counterswap scenario work, else it would always work? This last scentence is true because I have had many games where the counterswap did not work. They tried to counterswap me and I made the scenario that I won from their counterswaps while staying on the same hero I always play. But I doubt that is what you mean so technically true but not in this context I believe. Then you state someone agrees with me, which is fine and true and finally you say no one ever switches that much (I would like some statistics on that) and by “not that much” you mean “sometimes”? Or do you mean they do swap, but not that often in the same match (which is not true unless some of my games never actually existed and im hallucinating the moment I really seem to get in a match where that happen?) Help me out a bit please.
I agree with you but with people at the same skill level, counter pick is a thing that exists and works. Certain characters just do better against others at times.
I recently had a match where I was playing Zarya and because I was absolutely rolling the enemy tank he kept counterswaping into Rein and Winston, but that didn’t help him at all. After looking at his profile I realized he had 4000 hours in this game while I only have 400h. This was one of my proudest moments in my overwatch history 😅
It's also up to the rest of your team to pick and play smart too. Notice that the game where Awkward struggles on Zarya vs DVa, it's because he is getting pretty torn up by DVa's DPS deciding to go Soldier along with good support picks vs Zarya...their Soldier posted up high ground on the building towards the end of 2nd point and there was literally nothing Awkward could do about that on Zarya. I pretty much only play Winston, if they go Hog against me and my team decides to bless me by picking Ana, Zen, Tracer, Sojourn...I will literally never swap off Winston, because their tank will stay Hog and lose.
I get the point being made, but it seems to me that you're just fundamentally better than these players. Just watch that one Flats video where he has to play rock paper scissors in spawn with enemy tank and you'll see what everyone is talking about
I know you don’t need my advice but as hog I always bait out genii deflect with a melee. Most of the time they assume you’re trying to hook and they will deflect.
When you got 24k damage in zarya that means you're soo good and flipped the table because your team was bad and not helping enough You were able to kill multiple enemies from different directions like a hacker which mean that you have a very high sense in the game
@@FairwellNoob As an American that's written similar comments in a sea of Japanese comments, it doesn't seem that strange to me. Idk why I do, but I've seen it a lot in Japanese chats. It's like "watching from (country)"
@@Yummeosbada No it isn't, you're being pedantic, stop being dishonest. I counter swap normally and I only end up swapping 1 to 3 times a game. Huge difference.
If the only counter you are getting is the enemy tank then you can outplay them but as a doom main I can literally do nothing when the enemy team goes hog cass sombra ana zen, and I am not even joking this shit happens! Imagine getting hooked hindered hacked slept antid and discorded at the same fucking time.
From what i seen in this video, counter swapping the tank takes away the value the other tank is able to apply, which also by addition increases the value you’re able to apply against that tank. However, it doesn’t necessarily make the game easier for you because you have to account for the dps also counter swapping, which takes away the value you can apply. There is only one tank that is an exception to this rule, and that is roadhog. Roadhog and a soft counter to almost every hero in the game when played right. He potentially not only soft-hard counters every tank, but any short to mid range dps and supports as well. However he is also countered by alot of those same heroes, hence he is a soft counter or is still able to work well against them. Orisa and roadhogs intereactions are weird because 7/10, orisa will win the battle vs hog but if the hog is patient and forces the orisa cooldowns, he can actually win the battle. Orisa used to hard counter but ever since the hog “rework”, that’s not the case anymore. All that said, make more tanks like roadhog, the ability the work against any hero can f played right with very few counters. Example, roadhog isn’t very good against flying or long ranged heroes but can take the duel against any other hero with a chance of winning. Just dont make them a tank buster or give them a one shot combo.
You should only have to counter once, maybe twice. Ideally, the counter isn't a continuous dance, but rather you find what works and dominate with what works. Chances are if you counter once or twice, you will land them on a tank that they aren't as good with, and you will land on one you are good with. Not to mention, a counter from a tank for example, could mean bringing more shield play for mitigation purposes, allowing his own team to do more of the killing, and not actually countering the tank 1v1
I main ball but I play alot of Orisa aswell, IMO she is good into alot ot tanks. Her javelin can cancel all doomfists abilites, she can stop reins charge with 2 abilities and cant get ulted by him etc etc
This community become so weird and toxic. I don't understand why people starting play like this... now u can't play what u want without being countered by 3 enemy on 5. Like when i starting play ball they istantly pick hog/orisa-sombra/mei-ana/brig ... then my team just screaming or saying to enemy team that i'm racist to let them report me just because i don't wanna switch! WTF...
@@stowlicters8362 ah really? U are exactly the reason this game is not played by many ppl. Because the toxicity in this game and mentality is so shit. I am playing and i am learning heroes for using him. If i learned ball is because i love playing him, why i have to play what my team want. It is not funny anymore for me if i had to play tanks that i don t like. I will for sure play better with ball .
@@kita4299 There is no toxicity in this game, you say one minutely mean thing and you are banned from talking, reported again for 5 times you lose your account. There is lots of forced positivity in the game though. you have to play what the team NEEDS because this is a team game. Go play a single player game.
Yeah, i feel like the premise of this video is a little silly… Like what is this supposed to show? You make it sound as if you’re proving something meaningful when really you are just making certain interactions between characters more favorable/simpler… aka counter picking… If you wanna silence the complaints about counter-picking this is the reverse approach to take… A good example would have been the OPPOSITE of what you are doing, for example: the enemy team has Mauga and Bastion, go Winston and show us how you overcome the challenge of dealing with two characters that can make your kit feel less impactful … that would be a meaningful video because it would do two things… 1. show that when someone ‘counters’ you that just means you have to adjust your decision making to improve your odds 2. Give people who struggle with this concept good examples on how to overcome those limitations./challenges. The fact that you insist that counter picking isn’t a real thing seems very disingenuous. You’re not helping, you’re flexing.
this just shows awkward is a flex god. would love to see this for dps and support. Or switch based on team synergy. Just loving all the skill flexing lol lot of untapped content here.
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Dude it’s not about an individual hero, it’s about the overall comp. If they have doom vs your junker queen, but you have cass sombra Ana, you counter them even though the tank counters your tank
@@zendakk tank counters are the most noticeable / felt part of it now because of 5v5 and how people approach playing the role now. what do you think is the most pressing aspect of the counter picking issue?
This is what every game looks like for me. Every game ends with the enemy on some combination of Reaper, Bastion, Hog, Mauga, Sombra, Zen, Brig, and Cass
As a dps/support, the only ones on this list I play are bastion and Cass if I have to, but usually I stick with widow/echo/tracer and mercy/Kiri for support (but occasionally bap, rarely zen and ana)
Counter swaps only work if each player is equaly skilled, if a better player is on the less advantaged hero they will win because skill overrides the swap but in an equally skilled match-up it's up to the teams and a small portion of advantage is to counter swaps
I'm glad you did this video on tank. I normally try to stay on the same character most of the game unless I am being hard countered, which will happen most games, where I play any tank and first the other tank counterpicks then when its still not enough the dps and supps start swapping too. I take it as a compliment but it makes the game extremely unfun, so I am glad you got to experience what its like as a tank player. You say all the time that the best way to learn a hero is to stay that hero even when your being countered which I 100% agree on and thats why I tend to stay on a hero to get better but I swear if I see another hog player when I am on Monkey or Doomfist im gonna lose it 😂
Is it just me, or is the editing getting a lot better? There's more interesting stuff being added in post. It's nice to see the content getting better in multiple ways.
what people dont understand is that when you get counter picked, they are essentially trying to shut down your play style. for the most part you can still win without swapping heroes if you adjust your playstyle or prioritize a different win confition :)
I mean, the concept of counterpicking, in any game, is used to gain an advantage over your opponent, that does not mean that if you pick Zarya vs Dva, you'll smash Dva and win the game, it's a 5v5 not a 1v1, but at the same time, there are situations where counterpcking will make a difference, take Rein vs Ram or Orisa, all 3 are brawl tanks, with Ram having more versatility and can flex into poke, both Ram and Orisa have all the tools to deal with Rein and even nullify him, Orisa can stop his charge and his ult, while Ram can hit through his shield with pommel, so Rein is at a disadvantage here, now of course, in the end it comes down to personal skill, the better player will still win, most of the time, but you will play at a disadvantage.
Counter picking is a crappy idea in Overwatch is that it’s almost never a champion pick it’s generally the conflicting play styles of players outside of your roles n play styles with a champion that you originally wanted to play genuinely if you play what you’re most comfortable with and build game sense and knowledge of the game I feel ppl will climb more.
Hey Awkward! I'm not finished with the video yet but I just thought of something that would be really interesting video concept. People complain all the time about counter swapping occurring. Which I think it is pretty relevant as it is something that does happen often in my ranks (gold/plat). What if you did an opposite counter swap video? Like instead of counter swapping to the the pick that is considered the best like you did in the video...what if you flipped the script? What if you counter swapped always to the pick that was considered the worst? They start as roadhog? You come out as Winston. They swap to Orisa? You go doomfist. I think that would be a really excellent way to prove your point on how enough practice makes even the unfavored matchups favorable. Key understanding the characters through FUNDAMENTALS is what's going to help you climb. Love your videos. Hope you keep up the awesome content man!
Friend of mine loves to play ball. He's the most threat for enemy team in most games. And oh boy there always will be at least Sombra. Hog-Sombra-Bastion-Zen comp is not a rare situation also. He's still rolling and can even win that. But I bet it's so incredibly unpleasant to play this kind of games. On top of in-game aggravators, there also social one with hate from both teams. You should really love your character to endure it all.
I’m not sure what’s hard to understand. Counter picking a single tank doesn’t guarantee a win. But if I’m constantly running a Rein into an orisa and getting whooped, maybe I should swap to a hero that has abilities that perform better against the other tank. Obviously overall skill still matters. But for players of your same skill set, counter picking can help. Not exactly just tank picking, but even just a tank swap to overall help your team.
counterpick is so annoying, and the skill issue really shows when they try to counterpick you and you still win just because you know how to play the character and the game!
To all the people commenting that I should have played the worst matchup, I already have a video on this that shows at the first 5 seconds of the video.
Would be interesting to see a part 2
You should have played tank in that video, but you chickened out and just rolled low rank plebs on damage heroes.
If you really believe that counter picking on tank is not a thing, then play the worst matchup on tank in your rank and not some lower ranked games.
@@Void619 His entire point is that if you’re better than someone it doesn’t matter who you play. But if he plays against people who are as good as him then it’s gonna be a 50/50 and his point won’t be proven. If you’re in a low rank and he showed you that countering doesn’t apply to low ranks you got nothing to complain about.
@@Void619i made my way to top 14 otp dva. You think they dont pick zayra/mei/symm? I won anyways, if you are here, at least tey to improve and stop this bs about counters.
@@Void619 he did an unranked to GM rein only and ball only. Ofc in those games, he had games where he was playing against entire teams trying to counter his one trick pick. Doesn't that prove you wrong already?
funny thing is people do this in every rank and quickplay now too. and teammates will rage if you dont swap when they go counters its crazy
Me and friends played against this tank who died once and countered within the first second of the game. So our tank countered and this kept happening through the entire game.
And arcade even. Mayhem
I recently got called the n-word in quick play, because I didn’t swap 😭 These players are unhinged
It makes the game so much less fun if you have a main. I want to have a variety of matchups not 1 tank that always gets swapped to.
In qp I get counter swapped 90% of my games.
Hearing awkward talk about counterpicks and changing characters so often feels like I'm in a weird parallel universe.
Irl MirrorWatch it seems
“Heal, heal, heal.”
“They go forwards, I go forward.”
Mirrorwatch effect
It's not a parallel universe we all just live in the same universe
@@DJWolfHouseDirect angle
Evil Awkward be like: "They play Dva? You pick Zarya."
I dont think anybody has ever denied that if youre better than the enemy tank you dont need to counterswap. But if youre evenly matched countering definitely makes the match a whole lot easier. Theres no myth here lol
yeah, vid doesnt really make a point. just for entertainment it seems
That’s the point he’s making. If you focus on getting better instead of counter picking and who’s meta then it’s a better use of time. If your good counterpicking doesn’t exist
@@Daddyjman And the point im making is its very unfun to have a 28% winrate because you keep forcing winston into hog.
@danielmcgrath680 100% agree. I really like awkwards vids but this one was a miss for me. Counterpicking 100% works most the time in an even match. I've lost count of how many times I've seen games completely turn around for my team or the other because of a simple counter swap.
@@danielmcgrath680that 28% winrate is only indicative that you need to work on your Winston more. You're never gonna get your Winston wr if you just swap and don't fucking play the hero. The only time swapping would be necessary is if you're forcing it in top 500+
Some of the people I play with literally don't talk about any sort of strategy or different playstyle if they're losing, it's literally just "hmm what should I swap to"
Because its the easiest most straight forward strategy
Yep. Welcome to ow2 5v5. Brainless game now.
This is mainly tanks and dps, as a suppprt player you can play kiri ana and bap and instantly get value but if a shitty tank is counterpicked and killed every fight then he will swap as the solution.
I pretty much just stay Winston no matter what, because the enemy team is going to self-destruct with toxicity when they go full counter picks and aren't auto winning. I don't think I've actually ever lost to a Hog or Mauga player even in D1-M4 because they spend the ENTIRE game going "must counter monkey, must counter monkey" except my mobility is 20x better and I just literally never let them take the 1v1 against me. So I spend all match killing their team, while they spend all match trying and failing to kill me. I take full map control against their team and they're left with no angles, eventually my team shreds their tanks, I don't need to be able to 1v1 a Hog or Mauga because eventually we'll just 5v1 them.
@@kweechy then it’s the squishes faults for not being able to survive into dive comp
What we learned from thjs video? That roadhog is an absolute unit
White folk ish😂 no racism lol
I really thank you for all these psychological tips such as my teammates arent stopping me, counters dont matter, yelling at ur teammates wont help (took me a long time to realise that), etc. Ever since I tried looking at my mistakes from my gameplay, it felt like i was getting better and better and today, after not playing all week so i can watch my VODs and aim train, in 2 hours i ranked up from diamond 5 to to halfway dm2 Edit: it's been 2 months and now I'm m1 right around the edge for gm. Wish me luck!
I have a rule for counterpicking, if the enemy team has three or more characters that i feel are countering me, and i cant make it work, then i swap. Im a genji one trick so if i swapped every time i got "countered" id literally never play my hero. If they play zarya, no problem, if they play moira zarya, no problem, if they play moira zarya and another "counter", ill try and make it work but if i cant i swap to reaper or solider (the only heroes i even have a clue how to play, again im a genji otp). The amount of times that i am getting countered by 3 heroes, and i cant make it work at all, are pretty rare, meaning i get to play my hero and improve. Also love how whenever a team is losing its always because im playing genji into my "counter". "Were losing becaue of you, they are playing sym get off genji". Meanwhile ive killed the sym 5 times and the only one killing me is their cree who has cracked aim. Sure im having trouble, but its not cause of the "counter", its cause the other dps has higher skill than me. Swapping to a hero im worse at wont help me deal with the counter that hasnt even been the reason im struggling XD. lol, everytime someone says "get off genji they are playing counters" im like "if i swapped evertime they played a flying or beam character id never even get to play my hero".
i feel like you don’t realize how much the ow community actually hates genji until you pick him up for yourself. even when i was tryna learn him in QUICK PLAY, after a single team fight they went zarya, mei, sym, moira, brig. how many kills did i get in the first team fight? 2. just 2.
@@ysmmac6015 One thing that is interesting is that most people know all the counters, dps, tank and support against tanks. Not so much for dps and supports, However, a few characters in the dps and support roster do still have this community knowledge and "vendetta". Imo genji is the one that people actively think to counter the most. Another honourable mention would be like pharah (go hitscan). Yes people know counters to almost every hero, but tanks, and it feels like genji really like, people hone in on making your life miserable. Cant tell you how many times ive had a dps switch to sombra and literally follow me around all game hacking me whenever i try to do something, i remember it was so bad once, that I literally would just wait for the 8 second cooldown to wear off and anticipate that the second it was gone the sombra would come in again for the hack, and used that as my opportunity. Another reason people love counterswapping genji, is that most genjis have no idea how to play into their counters. Ive worked a lot on it and can comfortably say that mei, sym, pharah, moira, and zarya no longer pose an issue if its just them and maybe somone else countering. Still struggle a lot with sombra though. been working on that.
@@ysmmac6015I'm so sorry if it was me and my friends doing that to you, I remember us doing that to a Genji 😭
Bro got alot of time on his hands. ☠️
@@noahm6782 yea i’m still fairly new to genji and even tho it pisses me off i gotta learn how to play into anything. it’s just so frustrating when one of your 2 cool downs becomes pretty much useless.
one time i played doom and this ana after the game literally said sorry to me because she was only using sleep and nade to make my life miserable. i typed back “it’s all good, i gotta learn how to play into it anyway.” it’s just sometimes i play that game in a bad mood and getting cc’d to oblivion or counterswapped while playing the one hero that made me boot up the game that day is insanely tilting lol
I love your delivery. "Look, I'm countering him, it's over!" 😂😂
I feel like the first guy cottoned onto what you were doing, and it was just fun to keep it going after the first couple of swaps lol
guessing english isnt ur first language 😂
caught on*
just so you know for future reference
@@riptaiyo im guessing English isn't YOUR first language
@@bubtyh4408 wasn’t being malicious, get off ur high horse and stop being pussy to help others by correcting their mistakes. obviously ur wasn’t a mistake
@@bubtyh4408that doesn’t make sense since you proved nothing with this comment
Bro got mad after he got counter picked while he played mauga 😭
I just finished watching that part and I didn't see him get mad?
@@LelandJ71all video
Bro played mauga into hog, didn’t shoot the hog, sprinted straight into 5 people and exploded and said “how did I die I countered him “ like he doesn’t know how to take cover as a top 10 tank
@@cyrusstevenson880He's being sarcastic/ironic, he's pretending to have the mindset of those counter tank players
This video just proves counter picking works. Yes, you're not just going to win instantly because you're on the optimal tank pick, but the only way to have agency as a tank in solo queue is to be on the optimal pick at all times, or at least close to optimal. A tank that your team can work with that doesn't get shut down by the enemy team.
Awkward has done a few tank u2gm videos. It’s not the hero pick that matters
Not going to lie, I'm always very flattered when the enemy Tank swaps to Zarya. I believe that means they think my Dva is the "problem." It doesn't usually help them tho, I just stay out of their beam range. But still, flattering.
exactly. most unfavorable tank matchups are solved by just avoiding the other tank. i think it only becomes a problem with heroes like orisa, because they can just rotate all their cds on you and completely remove you from the game, and there's nothing within your power to avoid it on some heroes
you dont do any damage either with dva "outside of her beamrange". Just say their tank was bad
@@kaiki-desu8193 the idea is to take off angles or high ground and kill squishies instead of trying to 1v1 the zarya. it's a given that playing dva only from range doesn't make sense; i'm pretty sure they weren't saying that
@@Paul-zh2jp This works to some extent until you're trying to play ball into hog and there's a 40 meter wide circle of death that the enemy supports simply have to play inside to be protected from me(the diameter of roadhog's hook range). Like if there's a massive skill diff I'll just juke his hooks or kill supports so fast that he doesn't respond but it's really not that hard to listen for the giant metal ball rolling in and then hook the gigantic hamsterball.
Countering is a gradient, and obviously isn't just the hero but the play-style around it, some counter strategies are just far simpler than others.
Obviously Awkward is a far better player than me but even this gameplay shows it, he's not used to play the hog countering winston style at all. He hooks into winstons bubble and then lets his Ana die when he could have played it patient and waited till bubble breaks expires or he gets a support hoook to trade out but instead he greeds rushing into the bubble and missing hook, winston jumps his ana now that hook has no CD and kills her then because the enemy team swaps tank he goes in an feeds intentionally to try and swap off, then forgets to swap off and goes back and ultis.
Like entertaining as fuck but he's doing a bit at that point and then uses him almost getting capped on there as an example of how counterpicking wasn't really effective (when you're actively feeding while you have ulti up to swap for the lulz)
Some tanks just need to augment their playstyle to deal with various "counters' others have trouble leveraging any value at all verse certain tanks playing certain ways.
Thank you for coming to my tedtalk.
That said I do find it pretty funny how many people spend half the game swapping while trying to find the perfect counter while just getting rolled on by skill diff and never building up an ulti.
@@kaiki-desu8193 Bro Zarya only has 2 bubbles and her beam range isn't infinite. You're literally the type of person awkward always clowns in these videos.
POV: Awkward counterpicks nonstop and wins his games.
Then pretends it has nothing to do with it.
The opponent also did the same thing and guess who won?
The better player
@@ghostlump843cope
@@ghostlump843yes obviously there is a point where skill > counter swaps. no one has every argued anything different. the point is if i’m on dva and my opponent is on zarya and we are 100% evenly matched in every other aspect, im going to have a harder time than the zar simply because of the type of kits we have.
@@micheallucas5328 cope
Love how there was no such thing as countering Ramattra in this video 😭 dude is the all around Tank at that point it’s up to your dps and support
To be honest i always thought that you can play any tank and tank counters help you win but the counter itself wont be like a free win button. HOWEVER dps countering tanks are a really big problem. I think dps countering tanks are way more impactful than tank countering tanks. (Ex doom gets countered by orisa and hog but still able to outplay and go for backline, but for dps cass/sombra are literally almost impossible to counter)
How about reverse counter picking? For example when they have a zarya, you go dva
Already made that video before
@@OverWatchMenVid oh true, completely forgot about that. For anyone interested, it has been posted 5 months ago on his channel
@@OverWatchMenVid for tanks?
@@battlehotdog yeah just look through awkward videos he don’t post much. It was like “i played the WORST matchups to prove counter picking doesn’t exist” maybe?
@@OverWatchMenVid i found it, he said in the first minute that it's dps only tho
This gotta be Awkward's evil brother, Confident. He would never counterswap.
I main rein and I don’t think ram is a good counter to him…
When ramattra came out, he was a monster but nowadays his ultimate isn’t eternal and it’s easy to kite when he’s on nemesis form.
The major counter is orisa, always feel like hell playing against the demonic horse but never swap, honor is greater than defeat
The problem with people who talk about counter swapping is they are too smart. Ram doesn’t counter you directly, but he makes your job very unfun at times. He can pressure you and your shield AND anyone who is around you…( who whole point of rein brawl is to stay together) it’s not like you couldn’t beat a ram in a 1v1 on rein, but when it comes time to play the team game, Ram’s job is to make your job miserable. Same with most cases of counter swapping. Then the counters stack up on the enemy team and suddenly the game becomes unplayable on ur certain character when your rank is current for the season and u aren’t in placements
As a rammatra player i agree. The reason why i won against most rein players is because they were very bad, they were overextending ect. The times where i lost against rein players was when they were really good(it wasn't my teams fault, truth be told, i got diffed so hard in those games).
@@c.u.c.6202 counters lowers the skill needed to win the game
in lower ranks i'd considered a counter but when you move up the ranks they're equal.
An equally good rein vs ram, rein will always win. Rein counters ram. Ppl just think hur dur punch through shield. Yeah man, u disengage when he’s in punch mode and maul him when he’s out of it.
as someone who's played runescape since 1st grade, I love the oldschool music in the background omg
I've found that doom can be a good sigma counter in the right hands. You can cancel his ult and his succ, plus he doesn't have the movement to prevent you from diving supports
some of this games looks like mysterious heroes. its crazy. how you are going to charge ult with that kind of game style?
Counterpicking isn't really about the tank matchup, though. As a top 500 flex tank, the main issue is that the higher up you go, the more you ignore the enemy tank. What realistically pushes you to counter swap are the supports and the DPS. If I'm playing Roadhog and the enemy goes Orisa, I'm going to ignore the Orisa primarily. There's some gameplay variety, but if they go Ana, Tracer, I provide no value. Because I'm the singular tank on the team, we, in terms of total value, have the worst comp. If we were playing on an equal level, they win simply because of counterpicking. That's why in Overwatch2, counterpicking is more oppressive.
i love when im playing hog and the enemy dps swaps to tracer, the only dps i can still one shot
Counter picking sometimes can work in low ranks but eventually people are going to be able to take advantage of the fact that you aren’t good at a hero because you use counter picking as a crutch.
This is such a smooth brain approach. Counterpicking is based on the entire enemy team, and the skill of the enemy. I've had people play Zarya against my Dva but they clearly don't understand how she works and they eventually swap despite being on the better pick. You can also be on a good pick relative to the enemy tank but if the enemies are running Zen/Ana then going Orisa is likely not a good idea. You have to take the whole situation into account but your video over simplifies the game to the point of being useless.
Yeah he went into this already having his mind made
You'd be surprised how much of the community thinks tank swaps are specifically to face the opposing tank
This could be fun to see in a DPS perspective as well. Not counterwatching DPS vs DPS, but using a DPS hero that "counters" the enemy tank.
Continue this as a series, its actually funny
Counter picking isnt necessarily tank vs tank. Its also swapping supp and dps to fill a problem area and gap. If they have a hog/mauga, you go ana+zen/reaper+bastion for example. Even in plat/diam where tanks are sometimes ignoring each other when they can, these swaps make the game easier.
So what this video has taught us: awkwards chat shares a single braincell
You know what would be funny as a video concept? Twitch chooses your character on death, including staying on for ult or something
Agree with the conclusion. Play what you like and grow through the struggles.
I actually hope you lose every match to stop the counterpick pandemic. It’s sad how people sometimes rotate through to all the “counters” without really playing the game, only to end up on the hero they started with after a match of practically having no clue. A better option would be to sometimes swap to a hero that fits your team better so you learn to play in certain comps or just stay at the hero you want to play and use your brain a bit more.
That's the saddest crap dude. People in comp, not qp, playing 7 heros a round and never getting ult. Then flame you for not countering.
If you're good at the heroes, counter-picking a problem enemy to deny their value is a very real thing up to like GM and above.
sometimes, you have statistics on this? it isn't some rule where you have to swap, it's contextual. And it works every time, you have to deliberately make a scenario where it doesn't.
Then zathren says the same thing all over again, no one ever switches that much.
I think this is ultimately a case of: do you want to learn or do you want to win? If you play your character against your counters you will learn more. If I could play my main all matches without getting asked to swap I would. My opinion is that I can't be selfish though (in ranked). I have 4 teammates that, generally speaking, want to win and I wouldn't stay on my character if I'm being countered AND they ask me to swap AND I think I'm underperforming. If someone wants statistical data about swapping, KMK made a video about swapping, and the players swap more the higher rank you go up to gm, where it starts decreasing because people basically only play meta. The roles that swap the most are tank, then dps, then support. The video was made before orisa got dismembered in the latest patch, and orisa was both the most countered tank and the tank people swapped to the most lol.
@@stowlicters8362 Assuming you are trying to say something useful, can you please explain what it is you want to say?
Im interested in your view on this matter but this is a bit confusing to read.
I say sometimes, but you want statistics? on what sometimes is? If I am correct you say that it is not a rule and that it is contextual (I assume you mean that it is not a must and with that I totally agree) It is not a rule, but it always works you say if I am correct? (That is something of which I would like to have some statistics if it is true please) and then you need to deliberately try to not make a counterswap scenario work, else it would always work? This last scentence is true because I have had many games where the counterswap did not work. They tried to counterswap me and I made the scenario that I won from their counterswaps while staying on the same hero I always play. But I doubt that is what you mean so technically true but not in this context I believe. Then you state someone agrees with me, which is fine and true and finally you say no one ever switches that much (I would like some statistics on that) and by “not that much” you mean “sometimes”? Or do you mean they do swap, but not that often in the same match (which is not true unless some of my games never actually existed and im hallucinating the moment I really seem to get in a match where that happen?)
Help me out a bit please.
I agree with you but with people at the same skill level, counter pick is a thing that exists and works. Certain characters just do better against others at times.
I recently had a match where I was playing Zarya and because I was absolutely rolling the enemy tank he kept counterswaping into Rein and Winston, but that didn’t help him at all.
After looking at his profile I realized he had 4000 hours in this game while I only have 400h. This was one of my proudest moments in my overwatch history 😅
The ovw og players have counterswitch rooted in their brains 😮
It's also up to the rest of your team to pick and play smart too. Notice that the game where Awkward struggles on Zarya vs DVa, it's because he is getting pretty torn up by DVa's DPS deciding to go Soldier along with good support picks vs Zarya...their Soldier posted up high ground on the building towards the end of 2nd point and there was literally nothing Awkward could do about that on Zarya.
I pretty much only play Winston, if they go Hog against me and my team decides to bless me by picking Ana, Zen, Tracer, Sojourn...I will literally never swap off Winston, because their tank will stay Hog and lose.
Awkward saying 'Lag??' will never not be funny 🤣🤣
I get the point being made, but it seems to me that you're just fundamentally better than these players. Just watch that one Flats video where he has to play rock paper scissors in spawn with enemy tank and you'll see what everyone is talking about
This video is so helpful for new or returning players, thank you Awkward.
I know you don’t need my advice but as hog I always bait out genii deflect with a melee. Most of the time they assume you’re trying to hook and they will deflect.
I used to do that in Overwatch 1 cant believe i forgot about that lol ty for reminding me
When you got 24k damage in zarya that means you're soo good and flipped the table because your team was bad and not helping enough
You were able to kill multiple enemies from different directions like a hacker which mean that you have a very high sense in the game
I'm a Japanese Overwatch player. Always looking at you! I support you！
I'm an Overwatch player. Always looking at you! I support you！
@@FairwellNoob Now that sounds like a bot
@@therebelfrogy9287 Me or him? Just found it funny why we had to specify he's japanese. Could just be a translation barrier bug tho
@@FairwellNoob As an American that's written similar comments in a sea of Japanese comments, it doesn't seem that strange to me. Idk why I do, but I've seen it a lot in Japanese chats. It's like "watching from (country)"
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I refuse to counter swap. It’s just gets annoying af switching 12 times a game
no one ever switches 12 times a game, you're being pedantic.
@@stowlicters8362 If you play the swap game that’s what happens. Every death is a new tank. It’s dumb as hell
@@Yummeosbada No it isn't, you're being pedantic, stop being dishonest. I counter swap normally and I only end up swapping 1 to 3 times a game. Huge difference.
Ball main here: Single fight won, counter swap needed
Just pick whatever the enemy is playing
counters everytime
No, games don't usually play out like that.
@@stowlicters8362 yea if ur worse than the other tank lmao
@@BlueRiptidesometimes it’s not even about the enemy tank. The dps and support could just be selling 😭
I love awkward's mocking voice 😂😂
I have legit been REPORTED for playing wrecking ball instead of the character my team wants....
Can you send the match code so that we can see if they were right or not?
Can you send the match code so we can see if they were right or not?
@@fourplayerarcade the replay existed months ago , it was not recent
Welcome to Overwatch, lol. That was a thing since season 2 of og OW. You are playing Hanzo, Torb, Sym, sometimes even Zen? Reported.
If the only counter you are getting is the enemy tank then you can outplay them but as a doom main I can literally do nothing when the enemy team goes hog cass sombra ana zen, and I am not even joking this shit happens! Imagine getting hooked hindered hacked slept antid and discorded at the same fucking time.
That makes sense in tank pov but can’t your team help you to win and make plays too
@@nernoision assuming they help. I made this point in another comment, countering isn't 1v1, it's in the context of a whole team makeup.
I think your team plays a vital role and can make the difference despite if you counter or not ✊️
Ngl almost every counter pick ur chat told u was incorrect. For example Jq counter is orisa and the counter for both dva and orisa is Zaria
Nothing get me more excited to play overwatch 2 like you
Keep up the grind
From what i seen in this video, counter swapping the tank takes away the value the other tank is able to apply, which also by addition increases the value you’re able to apply against that tank. However, it doesn’t necessarily make the game easier for you because you have to account for the dps also counter swapping, which takes away the value you can apply.
There is only one tank that is an exception to this rule, and that is roadhog. Roadhog and a soft counter to almost every hero in the game when played right. He potentially not only soft-hard counters every tank, but any short to mid range dps and supports as well. However he is also countered by alot of those same heroes, hence he is a soft counter or is still able to work well against them. Orisa and roadhogs intereactions are weird because 7/10, orisa will win the battle vs hog but if the hog is patient and forces the orisa cooldowns, he can actually win the battle. Orisa used to hard counter but ever since the hog “rework”, that’s not the case anymore.
All that said, make more tanks like roadhog, the ability the work against any hero can f played right with very few counters. Example, roadhog isn’t very good against flying or long ranged heroes but can take the duel against any other hero with a chance of winning. Just dont make them a tank buster or give them a one shot combo.
i just love how some tanks will run away from there counters so to stay on there and let there team just die
I have a better evil idea, counter yourself and be on a disadvantage, if they choose Zarya go Diva
You didnt say who counters orisa tho
You should only have to counter once, maybe twice. Ideally, the counter isn't a continuous dance, but rather you find what works and dominate with what works. Chances are if you counter once or twice, you will land them on a tank that they aren't as good with, and you will land on one you are good with. Not to mention, a counter from a tank for example, could mean bringing more shield play for mitigation purposes, allowing his own team to do more of the killing, and not actually countering the tank 1v1
Awkward doing the nerd voice always kills me 😂😂
What if you pick the tank that gets countered every time?
Not that counters matter. Will just be fun to watch.
i laughed 20 times watching this video. ty awkward
I main ball but I play alot of Orisa aswell, IMO she is good into alot ot tanks. Her javelin can cancel all doomfists abilites, she can stop reins charge with 2 abilities and cant get ulted by him etc etc
I don't play tanks much, so I'm just curious. Which tanks have the fewest counters? Which tanks counter Zarya?
Winston I guess, cause he ignoring her shields, so she can't protect her backline
This community become so weird and toxic.
I don't understand why people starting play like this... now u can't play what u want without being countered by 3 enemy on 5.
Like when i starting play ball they istantly pick hog/orisa-sombra/mei-ana/brig ... then my team just screaming or saying to enemy team that i'm racist to let them report me just because i don't wanna switch!
WTF...
Yeah just switch next time lol. Play quick play if you want to stick to one hero.
@@stowlicters8362 ah really? U are exactly the reason this game is not played by many ppl. Because the toxicity in this game and mentality is so shit. I am playing and i am learning heroes for using him. If i learned ball is because i love playing him, why i have to play what my team want. It is not funny anymore for me if i had to play tanks that i don t like. I will for sure play better with ball .
@@kita4299 There is no toxicity in this game, you say one minutely mean thing and you are banned from talking, reported again for 5 times you lose your account. There is lots of forced positivity in the game though.
you have to play what the team NEEDS because this is a team game. Go play a single player game.
Editor playing the runescape tunes i fucking love it
Yeah, i feel like the premise of this video is a little silly… Like what is this supposed to show? You make it sound as if you’re proving something meaningful when really you are just making certain interactions between characters more favorable/simpler… aka counter picking…
If you wanna silence the complaints about counter-picking this is the reverse approach to take… A good example would have been the OPPOSITE of what you are doing, for example: the enemy team has Mauga and Bastion, go Winston and show us how you overcome the challenge of dealing with two characters that can make your kit feel less impactful … that would be a meaningful video because it would do two things… 1. show that when someone ‘counters’ you that just means you have to adjust your decision making to improve your odds 2. Give people who struggle with this concept good examples on how to overcome those limitations./challenges.
The fact that you insist that counter picking isn’t a real thing seems very disingenuous.
You’re not helping, you’re flexing.
YO SNEAKYSQUID I know that guy 😂😂😂 15:20
this just shows awkward is a flex god. would love to see this for dps and support. Or switch based on team synergy. Just loving all the skill flexing lol lot of untapped content here.
Franchement on voit vrmt qui a de l'idée c'est super !!! L'histoire m'a l'air bien fondée, ya vrmt un truc à faire avec ça !
Petit conseil ! Il faudrait faire attention au language parce que parfois il a l'air familier et ça ne fait pas " série "
En tout cas je garderais un œil sur ce projet génial et j'ai hâte de le voir évoluer dans le temps! J'espère que tu te trouveras une équipe pour optimiser tes animations !
Dude it’s not about an individual hero, it’s about the overall comp. If they have doom vs your junker queen, but you have cass sombra Ana, you counter them even though the tank counters your tank
the explanation at the end if the perfect summary of this issue
It's only a perfect summary of his misconception that this is about tank 1v1's... for some reason.
@@zendakk tank counters are the most noticeable / felt part of it now because of 5v5 and how people approach playing the role now. what do you think is the most pressing aspect of the counter picking issue?
This is what every game looks like for me. Every game ends with the enemy on some combination of Reaper, Bastion, Hog, Mauga, Sombra, Zen, Brig, and Cass
As a dps/support, the only ones on this list I play are bastion and Cass if I have to, but usually I stick with widow/echo/tracer and mercy/Kiri for support (but occasionally bap, rarely zen and ana)
"Countering" must be exhausting OMG how would you even have time to enjoy the Game! i would rather lose than swap every 2 min!
Counter swaps only work if each player is equaly skilled, if a better player is on the less advantaged hero they will win because skill overrides the swap but in an equally skilled match-up it's up to the teams and a small portion of advantage is to counter swaps
What? Reaper used to counter all the tanks. Reaper was a tank buster.
Reaper is just not good lol
I'm glad you did this video on tank. I normally try to stay on the same character most of the game unless I am being hard countered, which will happen most games, where I play any tank and first the other tank counterpicks then when its still not enough the dps and supps start swapping too. I take it as a compliment but it makes the game extremely unfun, so I am glad you got to experience what its like as a tank player. You say all the time that the best way to learn a hero is to stay that hero even when your being countered which I 100% agree on and thats why I tend to stay on a hero to get better but I swear if I see another hog player when I am on Monkey or Doomfist im gonna lose it 😂
Video idea: Unranked to GM but if u die with a hero the hero is eliminated forever, so u cant play them for the rest of the challenge. Too hard maybe?
well what else would you do as monkey against hog? you gotta switch
I said forget about it cuh
Lol is it Awkward's MirrorWatch collab?
Thanks for this video, man
Another proof that skill always the issue of being plat
Counterpicking also helps if u dont only focus on what their tank is playing, but their team
Is it just me, or is the editing getting a lot better? There's more interesting stuff being added in post. It's nice to see the content getting better in multiple ways.
I am a Pharah main, and I love it when they pick Echo so I can airshot them and they go "wtf?"
Btw great vid, as always
what people dont understand is that when you get counter picked, they are essentially trying to shut down your play style. for the most part you can still win without swapping heroes if you adjust your playstyle or prioritize a different win confition :)
the new editing style is a w
your takes on twitter are right! the haters mad it applies to them
Things will get complicated when the opponent team has Sombra/reaper.
I mean, the concept of counterpicking, in any game, is used to gain an advantage over your opponent, that does not mean that if you pick Zarya vs Dva, you'll smash Dva and win the game, it's a 5v5 not a 1v1, but at the same time, there are situations where counterpcking will make a difference, take Rein vs Ram or Orisa, all 3 are brawl tanks, with Ram having more versatility and can flex into poke, both Ram and Orisa have all the tools to deal with Rein and even nullify him, Orisa can stop his charge and his ult, while Ram can hit through his shield with pommel, so Rein is at a disadvantage here, now of course, in the end it comes down to personal skill, the better player will still win, most of the time, but you will play at a disadvantage.
I’ve notice nothing counters a good mobile character
Doom play very well against sigma, his power block get fully charged with the rock, and he can cancel his abilities
Counter picking is a crappy idea in Overwatch is that it’s almost never a champion pick it’s generally the conflicting play styles of players outside of your roles n play styles with a champion that you originally wanted to play genuinely if you play what you’re most comfortable with and build game sense and knowledge of the game I feel ppl will climb more.
Hey Awkward! I'm not finished with the video yet but I just thought of something that would be really interesting video concept.
People complain all the time about counter swapping occurring. Which I think it is pretty relevant as it is something that does happen often in my ranks (gold/plat).
What if you did an opposite counter swap video? Like instead of counter swapping to the the pick that is considered the best like you did in the video...what if you flipped the script? What if you counter swapped always to the pick that was considered the worst? They start as roadhog? You come out as Winston. They swap to Orisa? You go doomfist. I think that would be a really excellent way to prove your point on how enough practice makes even the unfavored matchups favorable.
Key understanding the characters through FUNDAMENTALS is what's going to help you climb.
Love your videos. Hope you keep up the awesome content man!
Friend of mine loves to play ball. He's the most threat for enemy team in most games. And oh boy there always will be at least Sombra. Hog-Sombra-Bastion-Zen comp is not a rare situation also. He's still rolling and can even win that. But I bet it's so incredibly unpleasant to play this kind of games. On top of in-game aggravators, there also social one with hate from both teams.
You should really love your character to endure it all.
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6:20 yeah it is, amd your teammates get angry if you dont swap😂
I’m not sure what’s hard to understand. Counter picking a single tank doesn’t guarantee a win. But if I’m constantly running a Rein into an orisa and getting whooped, maybe I should swap to a hero that has abilities that perform better against the other tank.
Obviously overall skill still matters. But for players of your same skill set, counter picking can help. Not exactly just tank picking, but even just a tank swap to overall help your team.
I prefer the videos where you intentionally pick the worst pick, it illustrates your point better
Awkward, as good as your advice is, you cannot deny that counter picking exists even in T500.
I mean he says at the end that it's probably only "necessary" in some situations at the very top and not at all for ranks below that
@@lostmycat5671 so he's dishonest.
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@@cooperswan534 so he's dishonest.
@@BlueRiptide huh?
Really been enjoying the content lately! Thanks, Awkward ☆
vibin‘ heavy with the runescape background music 💃17:35
19:56 The parry sound is a cool detail :D
counterpick is so annoying, and the skill issue really shows when they try to counterpick you and you still win just because you know how to play the character and the game!
you should do something like this but just mirror the tank, whatever the enemy tank plays copy it and just tank diff them