@@temmlygaming5509 This is especially true when talking about the Orisa Rein and Orisa Sig comps that were ran back in the day. With Rein Sig you had a little more leeway but any of the Double Shield comps that had Orisa needed to be played “perfectly” in a way. Old Orisa in my opinion had less margin for error, making almost any comp she was in very tight knit and obsessively compulsive. Double Shield was so egregious at times, it felt like if you weren’t running Orisa with Rein or Sigma, you were going to lose. It didn’t matter what the enemy team comp was, if your team wasn’t running Orisa Rein/Sig, Double Shield wasn’t viable. I feel like that era of DS was far worse than GOATS, with GOATS you at least knew we’re all playing the same but you didn’t always have to play DS; the more I think about it Double Shield is wayyyy more PTSD inducing than GOATS ever was… Somehow GOATS is better than the Moth and Double Shield metas.
I think the fact that dive has outlasted most of, if not all the metas listed in the video is a testament to how it’s a very strong comp that requires a fair bit of coordination, but it’s not broken.
Og, I remember that. When Brig was released, she becames my main sup. She could stop ultimates, the annoying tracer, stops res, a charging rein... She was amazing.
Dive was so dominant they added a whole new hero that countered it - Brigitte. She was so overtuned, she had a whole meta (Goats). She was the reason for role lock because she terrorized the whole game for years. And then Double Shield only possible for Sigmas insane Shield HP and Baps Lamp. I am so glad the Overwatch 2 Balance Team actually fixes issues often. Even dropping hot fixes or trying out new stuff. Could you imagine Mauga Meta for two years bc the Team wouldnt know what to do?
i remember wayy back in the early days of overwatch before even hero limits, there was a strat for specifically koth maps where you would play 2x lucio 2x winston and 2x tracer and could hold overtime for what felt like 10+ minutes in some cases
True! Another one that was less known about but was also really good was Orissa Winston with Winston diving in on the halt. Worked really well on Junkertown attack with a Bastion & Bap or Anna on or near the payload with Orissa and a Pharmacy in the air backing up Winstons Dive. I promise it worked. It was all about everyone waiting till the Pirate ship rolled into their LOS then Pharah & Winston go in and hit them from different angles! Was a straight steam role most of the time. (Speaking from a Plat-Diamond players pov)
Slight misconception, GOATS does not stand for "Go Only All Tanks and Support." The strategy was named after the team in open contenders that first discovered it. I mean, it can mean that if you want but that's not where the name originated.
2:40 - Hackfist could stand up to GOATS but not that consistently, GOATS was still too powerful. Even a ton of nerfs wasn't enough, it still dominated. They finally killed GOATS when roleQ came.
@@theFeedJ I had a solo queue match recently where I played doom and one of our dps was sombra. Only the two of us ended the match with 40+ eliminations and we had 3 deaths each
Hanzo's Scatter Arrow was replaced by Storm Arrow before Double Sniper Meta. Storm Arrow was the actual crux of the comp because Winston would get absolutely blown up by Storm Arrow, making Dive unplayable at the time.
@@bowaster57 it was absolutely more powerful than Scatter Arrow in the hands of a good player. Absurd burst damage with added mobility to create distance from dives when lunge was introduced.
Mauga meta was the worst. It was during winter break so not only was it not fixed any time soon, but also everyone was online for the holidays, all playing the broken new character
@@Tha10n3m3me Nahh mauga is far from being the most dominant tank on console, especially when one of his counters (D.Va) is the actual most dominant tank in the game.
Great video, just a little side note - GOATS was only "broken" in very high level / pro level due to the teamplay. I played during OW1 and was in the low ranks and rarely saw the exact Goats COMP. ALSO, in OWL it was more common to have a zen instead of a moira due to the value of discording a tank and focusing them
Absolute facts, I personally quite liked GOATS and generally quite a fan of Brig. But the amount of hate GOATS got considering it wasn't a viable comp and practically didn't exist below high diamond really irks me, like there's no way the amount of people that complain/ed about GOATS actually saw it played ever especially to the point where it "ruined the game". Granted that's where I think too many average players listen too often to high level/pro players
I remember moth meta had Mercy at a 95% pick rate with a 55% winrate in competitive. The statistics of that basically dictate you are certain to lose if you did not play her. To this day she was statistically the most OP hero OW has ever seen. I think people have memory holed the truly baffling state mercy was in for a couple months because it was more fun to play than double shield, but as far as balance goes it was by far the most broken meta of all time Also GOATS stands for Greatest Of All Time, the tier 2 pro team that first ran the goats comp, not whatever acronym the video said.
I hated Moth Meta. She was probably her best after her first rework as you could still counter full team rezzes (Zarya Grav, Mei Blizzard, D.Va Bomb). But, she did look really fun to play as at her peak with how fast she was in the air. I'm pretty sure I've seen quickplay matches of her having almost 30 Rezzes.
Suprised that you didnt mention sojourns rocky release alongside maugas, she was terrible on release, it was another one of those every peek your dancing with death situations
Way back had 2 leavers and still won a 4v6 comp match on Eichen using Pirate ship: Rein, Orisa, Bastion and Mercy. Biggest clutch game I’ve ever played but makes your realise how insane that comp was
Double shield with bastion, mercy and bap was called a “bunker” team composition and this was devastating. I remember when doomfist and symmetra was in meta in that days only because of full shield ignorance from doomfist and charging your microwave on sym just from the shields, also dive tp can destroy bunker setup pretty unexpected
Nothing felt as good as April fools broken Ashe with her tnt that spread to nearby people but was glitched and once it spread to one person it would spread back to the person already on fire and then it would be an insane feedback loop and then you’d team wipe their whole team
Nice vid! GOATS evolved over time to be Rein/Zar/Dva Zen/Brig/Lucio over time as people, first the pros, realized tranq is stronger than coal, discord is busted, and you have more damage overall. also before OW2, there was that hog sig meta going around. It was basically double sniper but it was so dominant after they gut orisa and left hog to do his own thing (not their last time lol)\
I remember climbing up to high diamond as a rein zarya two trick back during double sheild and bunker meta which was insane for me considering i used to hang around mid to high gold
Sojourn + Mercy rocked OW2 for the entirety of the betas and lasted until 2023 when they finally changed how the rail gun gains charge from damage calculations to a static increase of charge per hit. But everyone was figuring the game out still so it probably only really affected people who played against a sojourn w/ good aim
I remember one time enemy had 6 Dvas and out team went crazy. It was like impossible to even achieve anything in the game. Worst part was it was a ranked match. So we did 6 reinhardts and it was safe to say it looked like a WW3
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This isn't a thing but theoretically, there is a dive comp with junk zarya and in 5v5, you would run 1 healer, a soldier and mei and zarya junker (open) and in 6v6, same comp +mei/roadhog/Orissa (often kiriko/mercy or zen as sup) idea is that junker/hog self sustains along with the DPS, and the zarya bubbles the junker dives so queen can axe and sustain, all other picks support this dive in aggressive/disruptive ways
Some facts about the GOATS meta for those who didn’t play at the time: - The main composition was Rein, Zarya, DVA, Lucio, Zeny, and Brig, but there were alternative versions, with Moira or Ana replacing Zeny, or Sombra replacing DVA. - It heavily relied on team synergy, so outside of the competitive scenario, it was rarely seen (especially in lower ranks). - DPS heroes were frequently buffed in attempts to shift the meta, but nothing could stop this composition. - Almost all OWL matches were mirror matches; if I’m not mistaken, only Chengdu Hunters didn’t use it. This even led to memorable clips, like a team coming out with a different comp, seeing the enemy was running GOATS, and going back to base to switch. - The battles lasted a long time and were quite monotonous, but if one player died, the entire composition would collapse. - This meta was responsible for the 2-2-2 role lock, as only with this change did it cease to exist.
I remember when double shield was starting to get out of hand and people realized that Symmetra was a great counter to it because she could bust shields easily......and a week later they nerfed her hard yet they left Sigma and Orisa untouched for years :^)
death blossom + nanoboost was called beyblade because of how fast blossom was. you could even combo with Lucio and mannn no speed cap made reaper go ZOOM
Not a meta, but I always enjoyed doing the old 'Backdoor' play. Have a Symmetra sneak past the enemies to the point, then bait the enemies to "spawn camp" your teammates while you set up your Teleporter. By the time the enemies get back to point it will either be captured or close to being captured, and your team will be turtled up to defend.
Great vid! However, I don't think GOATS stands for what you mentioned. Goats was called goats, because a contenders team called goats was the first one to play it
I can't even put into words how much i hated the double shield with bastion and Baptiste. Especially on Volksaya industry second point. Where the bastion could just sit in the corner on point
pirate ship isn't necessarily a double ship archetype, it's just what orisa-bastion comps were referred to since long bepfore when it was known as a cheese comp for payload maps. bastion later became a staple in all gamemodes during the second part of the double shield meta when the reaper-moira-lucio core was replaced with bastion-baptiste-zen. like goats, double shield went through several changes as the devs tried to balance it out. the sigma nerf in particular made the meta go from a slower deathball without any consequences to a more methodical defensive ability rotation management game where a misplacing a cooldown by 1s could mean you lose and get wiped by bastion. it was awful
I’m shocked joats wasn’t mentioned. Or the pocket rail gunner that dominated ow2 for half of its lifespan. Joats caused junker queen to get nerfed into the ground.
Few things Tempo ressing has nothing to do with the Moth meta, Tempo ressing was about usage of the ressurect ult. The hide and seek meta wasn’t a problem competitively, Tempo ressing, which was ressing earlier, closer to 2 people was generally more effective. The rework was supposed to address Mercy’s hide and seek from being a play style at all, and in this it was successful. Also no, goats does not stand for go all tanks and supports, Goats was named after the contenders teams that pioneered it. And that comes from the term goat, which is short of greatest of all time. Goats was not exactly Rein, DVA, Zarya, Brig, Lucio and Moira. Moira especially fell out of favour as people started realising no, you don’t need her insane stats, you’d much rather have Transcendence and discord orb. This also ignores perhaps the greatest strength of goats, its adaptability. Swapping out the zen/Moira for an Ana was a real consideration on certain maps, and they all had different strengths. We also saw teams swap off of the DVA for something like Sombra, and this was how Seoul Dynasty ended up ending NYXLs winstreak during Goats. We also saw teams swap the Rein to Winston on certain maps. This was still all goats, but the deck was adaptable And saying goats fell apart after one member died also just isn’t true. Freauently, as long as exactly Brig, Zarya and Lucio stayed alive, the fight was not lost. Some people do say some positive things about double shield, not many, but it did require huge amounts of teamwork, and you can see that in the clip you showed. Pirate ship was also way before double shield and role queue. Pirate ship was just a bunker comp (which basically always existed in some sense, but especially after the release of orisa) that set up on a payload, as opposed to being set up on defense (although when Sym’s teleport became an ability, it did start to see some play during Goats, as hard bastion bunkers were one of the few things that could actually crack it (and even then it struggled).
goats doesnt mean go all tanks and supports I swear that was just something people made up. It was named after the team who invented it... GOATS.... as in greatest of all time?
Mauga was the bane of my existence as a support because I couldn’t focus on anyone else and if I didn’t heal the mauga we lost because the other mauga was getting sucked off by their supports 😭😭😭 I stopped playing for a while
I still think the Moth Meta was more overpowered than Team Rez Mercy. She was able to earn almost twice as many rezzes than she did in her old kit. She she got nerf after nerf after nerf for the longest time. And you just reminded me about the terrible Pirate Ship meta. My only possible counter for that was Mei where she could ice wall the Bastion up.
one more thing about the mauga meta. pros would pick echo, not only for the increased dps to try and burn down mauga, but to also get... TWO maugas. echo would dupe the enemy maug to double the maugas you had
Only thing I disagree with was that double shield lasted until the end of OW1. If it was still the meta, it wasn't nearly as oppressive at the end, since Sigma and Orisa's shields only had 3 digit health. Sigma had like 1600 when he first came out, meaning you basically needed a bastion to punch through it, but by the end, there were at least other options. Great video though!
no bc double sheild is the whole reason I don't want 6v6 to come back, like I don't want to go through that hell again spending 20 minutes just shooting sheilds.
Goats wouldn’t have been that bad of a meta if it just didn’t last as long, overall it was pretty cool to watch, it just got way over played in pros and top rank
It sounded like at some point your channel name was going to be Watchtower, but then you just thought: nah, too lazy I'll just reverse the name and ignore that quote from the Facebook movie and throw in a "The".
Is no one going to talk about Brig when she was first release. She has stun, she was tracer worst nightmare and her ult make her gain a shit tons armor and increase her shield. She can eat a roadhug ult without dying.
Also, if I remember correctly the Brig-Zen meta along whit the double shield made it even worse, not only you almost weren’t able to pass though the 3 dps (because omg Zen did a LOT of dmg) but you also had probably one of the most miserable tank metas ever (aside from all the bs we’ve received recently), you had to be Lebron good at tank to be able to survive whit minimal resources and pray you didn’t get a discord orb out of thin air. There’s toxic characters, but I think Zen and Brig were the most boring and deliberately broken of them all… even goats began to use them and only Sombra could really do anything
i wasnt around by the time goats was super popular but i agree, double shield was the most ubnoxious meta i faced, made me quit competitive play and overwatch alltogether :( i like ow state (disregarding balance and etc) now
5 Winston nd lucio, Winston zarya, mercy Ashe, mercy soj, beta jq, and every single time hog is meta. Even through all that, I still play OW to this day T_T
no hero limits is the natural counter to the sniper meta, because you can just pick 6 reinhardts
Or 6 wreckingballs
or 6 winstons
Or 6 Zaryas
Or 6 Sombra
Or six mercy's
In a way i respect GOATS, it needed everyone to succeed,
In a team based game it is nice that the most dominent meta required soo much teamwork
Yeah i think it was fun
Double sheild also kinda did if one person made a single mistake gameplay wise you would almost instantly cause your fight to be lost
@@temmlygaming5509 This is especially true when talking about the Orisa Rein and Orisa Sig comps that were ran back in the day. With Rein Sig you had a little more leeway but any of the Double Shield comps that had Orisa needed to be played “perfectly” in a way. Old Orisa in my opinion had less margin for error, making almost any comp she was in very tight knit and obsessively compulsive. Double Shield was so egregious at times, it felt like if you weren’t running Orisa with Rein or Sigma, you were going to lose. It didn’t matter what the enemy team comp was, if your team wasn’t running Orisa Rein/Sig, Double Shield wasn’t viable. I feel like that era of DS was far worse than GOATS, with GOATS you at least knew we’re all playing the same but you didn’t always have to play DS; the more I think about it Double Shield is wayyyy more PTSD inducing than GOATS ever was… Somehow GOATS is better than the Moth and Double Shield metas.
But it got too a point where it needed too much teamwork, you would mess up 1 single cooldown and lose the entire game over it
Goats was fine imo, just that it lasted for an entire fucking year
You forgot the one that started it all, dive. If dive wasnt that strong, brig probably wouldnt even exist
I think the fact that dive has outlasted most of, if not all the metas listed in the video is a testament to how it’s a very strong comp that requires a fair bit of coordination, but it’s not broken.
@@azzafromtazza7744 dive meta is not the same as dive comp
Brig is hot though so in all this works in our favor ☺️👍
Og, I remember that. When Brig was released, she becames my main sup. She could stop ultimates, the annoying tracer, stops res, a charging rein... She was amazing.
I feel like being was the equivalent of burning your house down because your neighbors saw someone try to break in the night before at your house
Dive was so dominant they added a whole new hero that countered it - Brigitte. She was so overtuned, she had a whole meta (Goats). She was the reason for role lock because she terrorized the whole game for years. And then Double Shield only possible for Sigmas insane Shield HP and Baps Lamp.
I am so glad the Overwatch 2 Balance Team actually fixes issues often. Even dropping hot fixes or trying out new stuff. Could you imagine Mauga Meta for two years bc the Team wouldnt know what to do?
For a long time since they sorted her out Brig has been a balanced & fun hero though, that’s when I actually picked her up.
10:10 goats actually got its name from the contenders team that invented it
Thank you for reminding people 🙏
this
Yeah, why did he say that 😂.
@@chuyyou because the team that had the name goats said its stood for GO All Tanks & Supports
I thought it was called goats because it was all the strongest heroes in one comp
i remember wayy back in the early days of overwatch before even hero limits, there was a strat for specifically koth maps where you would play 2x lucio 2x winston and 2x tracer and could hold overtime for what felt like 10+ minutes in some cases
6x meis 💀
Orisa, Roadhog should’ve at least gotten an honorable mention. The halt and hook combo was so op, especially when halt had a larger pull than Grav
that meta was very interesting
reaper doom hog orisa zen ana
just a ball huddled up while doom reaper played hit and run
True!
Another one that was less known about but was also really good was Orissa Winston with Winston diving in on the halt.
Worked really well on Junkertown attack with a Bastion & Bap or Anna on or near the payload with Orissa and a Pharmacy in the air backing up Winstons Dive.
I promise it worked. It was all about everyone waiting till the Pirate ship rolled into their LOS then Pharah & Winston go in and hit them from different angles! Was a straight steam role most of the time.
(Speaking from a Plat-Diamond players pov)
Pulled Pork meta
Slight misconception, GOATS does not stand for "Go Only All Tanks and Support." The strategy was named after the team in open contenders that first discovered it. I mean, it can mean that if you want but that's not where the name originated.
The team that came up with the comp was the one to confirm the "go all tanks and supports" thing tho...
@@destroyerofkharazan No, they didnt
@@destroyerofkharazanthey did not
That's the perfect example of a backronym.
@@givrally what does your nickname stand for?
2:40 - Hackfist could stand up to GOATS but not that consistently, GOATS was still too powerful. Even a ton of nerfs wasn't enough, it still dominated. They finally killed GOATS when roleQ came.
They also nerfed doomfist and sombra and hackfist fell into obscurity.
@@theFeedJ I had a solo queue match recently where I played doom and one of our dps was sombra. Only the two of us ended the match with 40+ eliminations and we had 3 deaths each
@@REENKATT current doom is a shadow of his former self
Hanzo's Scatter Arrow was replaced by Storm Arrow before Double Sniper Meta. Storm Arrow was the actual crux of the comp because Winston would get absolutely blown up by Storm Arrow, making Dive unplayable at the time.
It was something like 6×80 damage at the time, arguably even more OP than Scatter Arrow.
@@bowaster57 it was absolutely more powerful than Scatter Arrow in the hands of a good player. Absurd burst damage with added mobility to create distance from dives when lunge was introduced.
@@feelingrizzly1515It's 80 damage on release also meant that Mercy damage boost bumped it up to 104 allowing you to one tap a squishy
Mauga meta was the worst. It was during winter break so not only was it not fixed any time soon, but also everyone was online for the holidays, all playing the broken new character
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Mauga still dominates lower rank PC lobbies and all rank console lobbies due to his 100% lifesteal. And some players just know when to use it
HAHAAA
@@Tha10n3m3me Nahh mauga is far from being the most dominant tank on console, especially when one of his counters (D.Va) is the actual most dominant tank in the game.
@@Tha10n3m3meas a low ranker mauga really doesn't dominate
having played overwatch so long it's so weird to hear "DRAGON STRIKE" and "GRAVITON SURGE"
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Great video, just a little side note - GOATS was only "broken" in very high level / pro level due to the teamplay. I played during OW1 and was in the low ranks and rarely saw the exact Goats COMP. ALSO, in OWL it was more common to have a zen instead of a moira due to the value of discording a tank and focusing them
Yeah, and even then, near the end, GOATS was solved and beat by the Ball triple dps comp
Double shield too.
@@joshuk8112 wasnt it referenced as korean goats since it was the korean scene who really could take advantage of the swap?
Absolute facts, I personally quite liked GOATS and generally quite a fan of Brig. But the amount of hate GOATS got considering it wasn't a viable comp and practically didn't exist below high diamond really irks me, like there's no way the amount of people that complain/ed about GOATS actually saw it played ever especially to the point where it "ruined the game". Granted that's where I think too many average players listen too often to high level/pro players
Yep. Every time I saw them trying it in low elo We just used a Rain or a Pharah and some imagination to stop them
I remember moth meta had Mercy at a 95% pick rate with a 55% winrate in competitive. The statistics of that basically dictate you are certain to lose if you did not play her. To this day she was statistically the most OP hero OW has ever seen. I think people have memory holed the truly baffling state mercy was in for a couple months because it was more fun to play than double shield, but as far as balance goes it was by far the most broken meta of all time
Also GOATS stands for Greatest Of All Time, the tier 2 pro team that first ran the goats comp, not whatever acronym the video said.
I hated Moth Meta. She was probably her best after her first rework as you could still counter full team rezzes (Zarya Grav, Mei Blizzard, D.Va Bomb). But, she did look really fun to play as at her peak with how fast she was in the air. I'm pretty sure I've seen quickplay matches of her having almost 30 Rezzes.
You forgot to mention that double shield only worked because of Baps lamp picking up the slack while the barriers were down.
Suprised that you didnt mention sojourns rocky release alongside maugas, she was terrible on release, it was another one of those every peek your dancing with death situations
Yeah but since she required aim most people didn't realize how broken she was
Way back had 2 leavers and still won a 4v6 comp match on Eichen using Pirate ship: Rein, Orisa, Bastion and Mercy. Biggest clutch game I’ve ever played but makes your realise how insane that comp was
Double shield with bastion, mercy and bap was called a “bunker” team composition and this was devastating. I remember when doomfist and symmetra was in meta in that days only because of full shield ignorance from doomfist and charging your microwave on sym just from the shields, also dive tp can destroy bunker setup pretty unexpected
I hate that the byproduct of OW1 balancing is dive being strong, and defensive play being weak.
Nothing felt as good as April fools broken Ashe with her tnt that spread to nearby people but was glitched and once it spread to one person it would spread back to the person already on fire and then it would be an insane feedback loop and then you’d team wipe their whole team
Were forgetting pulled pork. Orisa x Hog. It was painful. Abysmal. Tragic
We used to call that double sniper meta 'Dragonball meta' (Grav = Ball, Dragon = Dragon), for anyone who didn't play/know.
Nice vid! GOATS evolved over time to be Rein/Zar/Dva Zen/Brig/Lucio over time as people, first the pros, realized tranq is stronger than coal, discord is busted, and you have more damage overall. also before OW2, there was that hog sig meta going around. It was basically double sniper but it was so dominant after they gut orisa and left hog to do his own thing (not their last time lol)\
tranq? as in sleep? i think you mean transcendence.
I remember climbing up to high diamond as a rein zarya two trick back during double sheild and bunker meta which was insane for me considering i used to hang around mid to high gold
Sojourn + Mercy rocked OW2 for the entirety of the betas and lasted until 2023 when they finally changed how the rail gun gains charge from damage calculations to a static increase of charge per hit. But everyone was figuring the game out still so it probably only really affected people who played against a sojourn w/ good aim
I remember one time enemy had 6 Dvas and out team went crazy. It was like impossible to even achieve anything in the game. Worst part was it was a ranked match. So we did 6 reinhardts and it was safe to say it looked like a WW3
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U decided to go with this thumbnail good choice
Genji was good with the speed boosted Nano too!
I think they should give Genji a passive speed boost with his ult to bring it back.
first time hearing about hack fist my reaction to sombra
“perhaps i’ve been to harsh on you”
your videos are very refreshing. you have a nice way of talking about bad stuff. keep up the good work.
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This isn't a thing but theoretically, there is a dive comp with junk zarya and in 5v5, you would run 1 healer, a soldier and mei and zarya junker (open) and in 6v6, same comp +mei/roadhog/Orissa (often kiriko/mercy or zen as sup) idea is that junker/hog self sustains along with the DPS, and the zarya bubbles the junker dives so queen can axe and sustain, all other picks support this dive in aggressive/disruptive ways
I don’t think you realize HOW unbelievably broken Mercy was in her peak. It was hilarious
Some facts about the GOATS meta for those who didn’t play at the time:
- The main composition was Rein, Zarya, DVA, Lucio, Zeny, and Brig, but there were alternative versions, with Moira or Ana replacing Zeny, or Sombra replacing DVA.
- It heavily relied on team synergy, so outside of the competitive scenario, it was rarely seen (especially in lower ranks).
- DPS heroes were frequently buffed in attempts to shift the meta, but nothing could stop this composition.
- Almost all OWL matches were mirror matches; if I’m not mistaken, only Chengdu Hunters didn’t use it. This even led to memorable clips, like a team coming out with a different comp, seeing the enemy was running GOATS, and going back to base to switch.
- The battles lasted a long time and were quite monotonous, but if one player died, the entire composition would collapse.
- This meta was responsible for the 2-2-2 role lock, as only with this change did it cease to exist.
your alive! i was so worried mr watchover im sorry i missed the stream you caught me pursuing my educational prowess
Hackfist was also called Space jamais, because grave + slam was hilarous!
I remember when double shield was starting to get out of hand and people realized that Symmetra was a great counter to it because she could bust shields easily......and a week later they nerfed her hard yet they left Sigma and Orisa untouched for years :^)
That’s so weird, I played during the scatter arrow days but I don’t remember nano giving a speed boost. Granted I never played Ana then
death blossom + nanoboost was called beyblade because of how fast blossom was.
you could even combo with Lucio and mannn
no speed cap made reaper go ZOOM
“Overwatch had always had a lot of trouble with balance”
An understatement my friend.
Overwatch classic: the pirate ship. Bastion on payload, with the team goose guarding bastion in sentry mode.
Not a meta, but I always enjoyed doing the old 'Backdoor' play. Have a Symmetra sneak past the enemies to the point, then bait the enemies to "spawn camp" your teammates while you set up your Teleporter. By the time the enemies get back to point it will either be captured or close to being captured, and your team will be turtled up to defend.
Great vid! However, I don't think GOATS stands for what you mentioned. Goats was called goats, because a contenders team called goats was the first one to play it
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Double Lucio, double Tracer, double Winston in the very early days of ow1 was pretty silly too lol
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6:12 I hope this is a joke
I can't even put into words how much i hated the double shield with bastion and Baptiste. Especially on Volksaya industry second point. Where the bastion could just sit in the corner on point
Even thought they’re gone, I will always remember fondly on how I raged at most of these metas ❤😂.
2:38 what a missed opportunity to call it brafist
pirate ship isn't necessarily a double ship archetype, it's just what orisa-bastion comps were referred to since long bepfore when it was known as a cheese comp for payload maps. bastion later became a staple in all gamemodes during the second part of the double shield meta when the reaper-moira-lucio core was replaced with bastion-baptiste-zen. like goats, double shield went through several changes as the devs tried to balance it out. the sigma nerf in particular made the meta go from a slower deathball without any consequences to a more methodical defensive ability rotation management game where a misplacing a cooldown by 1s could mean you lose and get wiped by bastion. it was awful
20k before October the end broo let’s gooooo
I’m shocked joats wasn’t mentioned. Or the pocket rail gunner that dominated ow2 for half of its lifespan. Joats caused junker queen to get nerfed into the ground.
Few things
Tempo ressing has nothing to do with the Moth meta, Tempo ressing was about usage of the ressurect ult.
The hide and seek meta wasn’t a problem competitively, Tempo ressing, which was ressing earlier, closer to 2 people was generally more effective. The rework was supposed to address Mercy’s hide and seek from being a play style at all, and in this it was successful.
Also no, goats does not stand for go all tanks and supports, Goats was named after the contenders teams that pioneered it. And that comes from the term goat, which is short of greatest of all time.
Goats was not exactly Rein, DVA, Zarya, Brig, Lucio and Moira. Moira especially fell out of favour as people started realising no, you don’t need her insane stats, you’d much rather have Transcendence and discord orb.
This also ignores perhaps the greatest strength of goats, its adaptability. Swapping out the zen/Moira for an Ana was a real consideration on certain maps, and they all had different strengths. We also saw teams swap off of the DVA for something like Sombra, and this was how Seoul Dynasty ended up ending NYXLs winstreak during Goats.
We also saw teams swap the Rein to Winston on certain maps. This was still all goats, but the deck was adaptable
And saying goats fell apart after one member died also just isn’t true. Freauently, as long as exactly Brig, Zarya and Lucio stayed alive, the fight was not lost.
Some people do say some positive things about double shield, not many, but it did require huge amounts of teamwork, and you can see that in the clip you showed.
Pirate ship was also way before double shield and role queue. Pirate ship was just a bunker comp (which basically always existed in some sense, but especially after the release of orisa) that set up on a payload, as opposed to being set up on defense (although when Sym’s teleport became an ability, it did start to see some play during Goats, as hard bastion bunkers were one of the few things that could actually crack it (and even then it struggled).
This video gave me ptsd in so many ways
goats doesnt mean go all tanks and supports I swear that was just something people made up. It was named after the team who invented it... GOATS.... as in greatest of all time?
yes, it was named after the team. But that same team confirmed what it stands for
Mauga was the bane of my existence as a support because I couldn’t focus on anyone else and if I didn’t heal the mauga we lost because the other mauga was getting sucked off by their supports 😭😭😭 I stopped playing for a while
I still think the Moth Meta was more overpowered than Team Rez Mercy. She was able to earn almost twice as many rezzes than she did in her old kit. She she got nerf after nerf after nerf for the longest time.
And you just reminded me about the terrible Pirate Ship meta. My only possible counter for that was Mei where she could ice wall the Bastion up.
one more thing about the mauga meta.
pros would pick echo, not only for the increased dps to try and burn down mauga, but to also get... TWO maugas. echo would dupe the enemy maug to double the maugas you had
You in fact can hit 20k subs before the end of October
If I had as much protection as Bastion in the double shield meta, I wouldn’t be paying so much in child support each month.
DC double sheild and goats was peak
i feel like i've seen this thumbnail before... i thought i saw someone draw this on stream... wierd
5:32 so he was uncounterable you see team play is scarce
You forgot to at least throw the orisa ult to hog hook combo in the honorable or dishonorable mentions, lol.
Anyone else remember in OW1 where there was a week where Zarya Hog was a thing?
The no limits game mode. All Torbjorns. Video about that pls
Teleporting bastion was my fav thing to run in ow1
0:47 He actually lost scatter about one year prior to Brig release.
I’m surprised I did not see the infamous bastions sig Orisa and bap window
I never played ow1, but i know that double shielding or pirate ship will not exist if ramattra was implemented (the pre season 13 one)
I was a low diamond player during the heart of goats and it was never a major issue. Required too much coordination for most teams
Only reason mauga was so broken was cause streamers kept saying he felt weak during half season test when he wasn’t
:D hey I'm the Sombra in that last game 😂😅
Only thing I disagree with was that double shield lasted until the end of OW1. If it was still the meta, it wasn't nearly as oppressive at the end, since Sigma and Orisa's shields only had 3 digit health. Sigma had like 1600 when he first came out, meaning you basically needed a bastion to punch through it, but by the end, there were at least other options.
Great video though!
was looking for this !
Juno brig is going to evolve into a problem, and i cant wait
Good ol pirate ship hella busted in lower ranks
with thirty something heroes it will always be hard to make it perfect
no bc double sheild is the whole reason I don't want 6v6 to come back, like I don't want to go through that hell again spending 20 minutes just shooting sheilds.
I’m surprised hog orisa pull wasn’t on here
'high quality vids' come now this is Stylosa level
lol the last clip is from quote not dafran?
"double shield nearly drove the player count to extinction"....no blizzard did that all on their own
Goats wouldn’t have been that bad of a meta if it just didn’t last as long, overall it was pretty cool to watch, it just got way over played in pros and top rank
there was this era, where everyone played hog and the fact if your hog was better or worse than theirs decided the outcome
You forgot to mention moth meta, Mercy rez was instant, and IT GAVE THE RESSED PERSON DAMAGE IMMUNITY for like 1 second
everyone always forgets when the game just launched and you could have 6 bastions sit on payload in ranked
I remember mei reaper, it wasn't that broken, but still scary
It’s not really a meta but Quinston rolled an OWL championship back in the day
I used too bully dps with early Brigg lol
It sounded like at some point your channel name was going to be Watchtower, but then you just thought: nah, too lazy I'll just reverse the name and ignore that quote from the Facebook movie and throw in a "The".
Is no one going to talk about Brig when she was first release. She has stun, she was tracer worst nightmare and her ult make her gain a shit tons armor and increase her shield. She can eat a roadhug ult without dying.
Also, if I remember correctly the Brig-Zen meta along whit the double shield made it even worse, not only you almost weren’t able to pass though the 3 dps (because omg Zen did a LOT of dmg) but you also had probably one of the most miserable tank metas ever (aside from all the bs we’ve received recently), you had to be Lebron good at tank to be able to survive whit minimal resources and pray you didn’t get a discord orb out of thin air. There’s toxic characters, but I think Zen and Brig were the most boring and deliberately broken of them all… even goats began to use them and only Sombra could really do anything
11:45 only in high rank it was OP, so only less than 10% was have a bad time. Nobody in Diamond or lower knew how to play it. I miss Overwatch 1.
This just isn’t true lol. Double shield was played in quick play and ARCADE. It was genuinely awful and definitely killed off a lot of the player base
i wasnt around by the time goats was super popular but i agree, double shield was the most ubnoxious meta i faced, made me quit competitive play and overwatch alltogether :( i like ow state (disregarding balance and etc) now
I enjoy our current speed based meta it just feels a lot more fun since everyone is just themselves but faster
Hackfist was so good omg i just remembered
Thank God I’ve watched the streams, I wouldn’t wanna get in the way of that cat
i loved doing pirate ship on junker town
5 Winston nd lucio, Winston zarya, mercy Ashe, mercy soj, beta jq, and every single time hog is meta. Even through all that, I still play OW to this day T_T