Fatal Flaw - United Airlines Flight 585, USAir Flight 427, Eastwind Airlines Flight 517
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During the 1990s, a series of rudder issues on Boeing 737 aircraft resulted in multiple incidents. 
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Airline pilots' job description: "Hours of boredom punctuated by moments of stark terror."
same words for war
Well terror in just few rare cases.
Usually just endless hours of boredom
@@evs251 a few rare cases? Hundreds = few?
@@jamesp9226 The likelihood of one being in that situation....
Kinda like war
(737 Rudder tries to kill a third plane)
Unnamed pilot: "I'm going to do what's known as a pro gamer move"
lmao
LMAOOOOO
I have encountered the funniest comment I’ve ever seen on RUclips, I am honored sir🤣
Increasing the engine’s thrust on the wing that is closest to the ground is most definitely a pro gamer move.
The crew of the 3rd plane (Eastwind 517) is ;
Captain Brain Bishop
First Officer Spencer Griffin
Absolutely terrifying in that they watched the ground approaching and knew the inevitable was also approaching..
Yep and some people like to say that they died instantly. Some people get shot in the head and don't die instantly.
@@jeschr3462 as long as you get unconscious instantly, it doesn't matter if you die instantly or not. In this case the problem I see is not dying instantly or not, but seeing you are gonna die and you can do nothing to avoid it
@Crazy Sven interesting
You’d still feel it. Might only be 2 seconds of heat or intensely crushed but you’d still feel it
@@himynameis3102 no you wouldn’t. You are dead and most likely completely ripped apart before the force of impact even reaches you at those speeds. The last instant you are still moving at 300mph while the plane itself is at a dead stop. You go from being fully alive and healthy to completely annihilated in less than a fraction of a second. Not nearly enough time for your nerves to send messages to the pain receptors of your brain or for your brain to even process the fact that the front of the plane has made contact with the ground.
Thanks, I'm traveling next month and I've decided to pack some snacks and make the 22-hour drive.
How'd that drive work out for you??
You are like me. I hate the thought of flying. The few times I have flown, I feel like the last 30 seconds of these flights for the whole trip. I get told over and over that it is safer than driving but, then you watch these crash investigation shows and IDK. I would rather get scraped off a highway relatively intact, than suffer the indignity of being a biohazard.
@@1962pjh Just watch some car crashes to balance out
Lol
A 22 hour drive is much more dangerous than a 4 hour flight
"the bodies of the passengers and crew were severely fragmented"
May their souls rest in peace...can't imagine investigating a scene like that...
@Crazy Sven holy shit!
Just read an article out of Baltimore with an eyewitness describing finding a charred body of a child and another finding a perfectly manicured fingernail. I am oddly facinated by pictures and stories like these, but the airplane crash ones are always a little too much. There are some gruesome pics out there of the Jenni Rivera crash in Mexico where they found her foot perfectly perserved. They do not crash often, but when they do it is always violent!
@Crazy Sven holy shit makes me wonder what he saw
@@abletonreason violent because of the speed i would think
That one PSA flight crash sight was bad too, i think it was flight 182
outstanding vids just a shame theres a lot of pain and heartache in them
It's a small way to remember them.
Ace Rrimmer SOTC
thats a contributing factor as to why the vids are outstanding.
The Wikipedia article on 517 has the pilot and co-pilot names. Flight 517 was a scheduled Eastwind Airlines passenger flight from Trenton-Mercer Airport in Trenton, New Jersey, to Richmond International Airport in Richmond, Virginia. The flight was operated using a Boeing 737-200 (registration number N221US). On June 9, 1996, Flight 517 was operated by captain Brian Bishop and first officer Spencer Griffin. A total of 53 people were on board.
Bloody hell, but at least it was fixed eventually. _Undetermined probable cause_ makes me feel nervous.
AND NOW WE HAVE THE BOEING MAX 8....
@@stuartlee6622 Which has an inherent design problem (engine placement) that Boeing used software to try to overcome. That's just ill-fated and poor avionics. Stay tuned...
@@PabloGonzalez-hv3td This very new info:
"Airbus, with existing fly-by-wire system that are more extensive than those on the 737MAX, can remain in safe operation following the new procedure. Whether a software modification will be needed for the A321neo remains to be seen at this juncture. "
@@wintercame - It's no secret that the software update is being developed again the point is that Airbus is affected by the same pitching tendency it's just handled differently than Boeing did
www.mro-network.com/maintenance-repair-overhaul/airbus-easa-flag-a321neo-pitch-anomaly
I wonder if Boeing received consequences for these disasters?
By the third incident, my heart was racing in anticipation.
Skwirut
If only the other crashed planes would have had this issue happen at above 4000ft. They probably would have survived too.
I was one of the avionics engineers for the USAir 427 investigation. Not a one of us did not 'wince' at the thought of how they "went-in, inverted". The citizenry from the Aliquippa, Coroapolis, and Hopewell areas are first-rate, and have never forgotten the tragedy.
AMStationEngineer reminds me of the AlaskaAir flight. The captain saying in the last few seconds "Are we flying? I think we're flying..." while in a complete invert just breaks my heart.
My brother was part of the cleanup crew for 427. It was in deed a terrible tragedy. RIP those that perished.
I was 10 years old when this happened.. we were working on the roof at the time and we saw the plane flying over us we didn't see it crash but it sticks with me still today.. I often have nightmares about it!
Sarah Riedel • I know! The Captain was able to control the jet for almost thirty minutes like that, best I recall that accident? I felt his hope. I felt his resolve. I think we all did. RIP all who perished in that flight; the Flight deck did all they possibly could.
@@gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043 - They dealt with the jammed stabilizer for about 30 minutes the inverted flying lasted only a few moments but yes they did everything they could and flew it to the end
An uncommanded control movement is one of the worst possible things that can happen. It's every bit as bad as a structural failure.
The sad part of this is had the first 2 planes disabled the yaw damper and kept their feet off the rudder pedals, they would have landed safely. But there was no possible way for either of them to know this, they flew the plane to the best of their abilities.
The first two at least were also both on approach so there was little altitude with which to recover.
RR KNL - Probably rumors started to spread among pilots as to what was causing the rudder failure ...and speculations all over the place. Perhaps the Captain had already been schooled on what to do. ...just speculation. If not ...then what a blessed man he was to outsmart the situation that not only saved the lives of his crew, passengers and himself ....but future passengers and crew
you can't blame a flappy flap for flapping when it gets a little excited. or a ruddy rudder, or an elevator who's just a little high on the job.. or an ailing aileron..
i wish my sense of humor wasn't so damn lame
Kyle Moutet, so do we (wish you weren't so lame). Very much so. The families of the people killed don't appreciate your lame attempt at humor, either. Shame on you. Isn't that your mom calling you to come up out of the basement and get upstairs to dinner?
Sarah Riedel, yeah, especially the CO Springs one. At 1000 feet agl, with windshear, it was pretty much unrecoverable no matter what.
These accidents are an example of how quickly the pilots have to respond in an emergency. There is little time to assess the problem so reacting correctly to resolve the problem is paramount. The last accident avoided by Eastwind is an example of pilots who reacted properly with limited information but saved themselves and all the passengers on board!
James Wikstrom in the first crash, the plane was already at 1,000 feet from descending... that’s already very low to the ground and probably quite hard to recover from after it began to spiral down... i’m not sure what else they could’ve done really
You are right but I believe the third pilot also had the most favorable conditions of the three. I believe the fact he was not on autopilot also contributed as he could react quicker to those sudden banks.
@@eueli0s Not even that... the fact that the rudder was reversing his inputs made it that much worse. If you are piloting a plane that is going down on a 60 degree roll right, your very last thought would be to try and roll it right even more. That probably would have fixed the roll issue, but I agree. They were already too low to recover.
Nice vid, X. I saw this one on an air disaster show once. They only figured it out once this investigator who had been in the Air Force and seen something similar told them to try the hot fluid into cold apparatus hypothesis. They thought it could've been metal shavings in the fluid, loss of fluid... they had no clue until 1 guy pulled the cause out of the air, so to speak...
Yep, it was a military flight mechanic who remembered a similar occurrence in his experience.
That was probably the show, Mayday. It’s the only show that has talked about I.
nice info friend
Interestingly, and a but alarmingly, I was on a flight from Philladelphia PA to Syracuse NY on a 737 around 20 years ago. As we were approaching the airport at Syracuse and flying over the city, the right wing dipped suddenly down pointing at the ground! It did this violently several times. I was expecting the long leg to approach the run way but in a much shorter time, we landed. As I exited the plane and passed the pilots standing in the cockpit door, I mentioned something about the violent dips of the wing wondering what happened. The only reply from the pilot was "we made it didn't we?" I was like, oookaay, something must really have been wrong. Seeing this video now all these years later may explain what was happening, but the pilots managed to gain control and land. Maybe we dodged the bullet that day. I also wonder if that plane was taken out of service.
riogrande5761 apparently they were all retrofitted
pilot was rude for replying to you like that
People love to talk shit about the DC-10's cargo door but then look at this, people never talk about 737 rudder hardovers.
Probably because the design on the DC-10 was a flawed design that started causing accidents soon after the planes started flying. In this situation only a few planes crashed and it was after at least 7 years of service or more. You are comparing two wildly varied situations where on plane was crashing regularly and soon after it entered service, and another situations with a few crashes after nearly a decade of service.
@B737FLY - The jackscrew moves the horizontal stabilizer not the rudder...
@@Buc_Stops_Here - In reality only the cargo door incidents were a direct result of a design flaw and every accident involving a DC-10 is publicly blamed on the aircraft itself regardless of the cause
@@PabloGonzalez-hv3td Think about what you wrote. If that cargo door incident occurs, the cargo bay depressurizes explosively, the floor drops, and the controls to the rear are cut. That is exactly what happened in that case. The engine failing in the tail caused a similar situation. Two different flaws that had a good chance of causing that DC-10 to crash. McD never recovered from that.
@@Buc_Stops_Here - Like I said the cargo door incidents were in fact a design flaw while the Sioux City crash was the result of a metallurgical manufacturing defect from GE and a flawed inspection process by the airline I'm not sure how McDonnell Douglas failed when they merged with Boeing and their products still fly today even the DC-10 after serving major airlines for nearly 40 years
This happened on my 21st birthday when I was living in Colorado Springs. Me and my buddy went to the crash site that night and we couldn't believe how the aircraft crashed in the middle of a very small park surrounded by houses on all sides. RIP
Very well done. Excellent work in putting these together, too. These videos are good examples of safety measures that come from the classroom of experience, almost always with lives lost.
I just happened to find you channel in a group of recommended videos and I love how you do them! Really great job in presenting what happened to these flights!
this crash happened about a quarter mile from my house. my house shook from the impact.
Which flight?
Tom Weaverling dude, only flight 427 crashed. My next-door neighbor lady was to be on flight 427, I forget what came up, she said that they ended up taking the next flight otherwise they would’ve been on it!! And, a couple years after the 427 crash, I was standing in front of my company’s aircraft hangar waiting for our plane to taxi in. I looked down where I was standing and there on 6 of the first 7 sewer grates (one was plain)was number 427. (Right where I was standing on them) I walked the length of the hangar which is about 300 feet and none of the other sewer grates had any numbers on them, It was rather eerie.
Great job, the graphics are beautiful!
1. Green's TT was 9938 hrs (I read the entire UAL 585 report when it was redone in 2001 -- it had been a discussion on an aviation forum I belonged to and I'd been long of the opinion that it was probably a rudder glitch)
2. The Eastwind flight's crew: Captain Brian Bishop, F/O Spencer Griffon
I’m in love with your videos.Keep up the great work
God damn.. everything going to shit in a matter of seconds. Good job for the pilot in the to third plane. Guy is a hero.
Seriously, amazing quick thinking to save the situation.
It’s also amazing to me how so many occur within site of the runway
It’s so impressive.
And may I say, I am addicted to these videos. Even though there are (yes) many examples of pilot error illuminated within them, there is much heroism also to be found; also the NTSB investigators never fail to impress me with their diligence and determination, after every crash, that lessons learned not be forgotten and appropriate fixes be immediately and fully implemented across the aviation industry when shortcomings are discovered.
Watching these videos can make you very afraid of flying. Or they can inspire you. The latter is the case with me.
skbmsb78
I'm getting the feeling that perhaps the most dangerous time in flight is perhaps when getting ready to land actually. Weird but it seems like many of these incidents happen at that time.
I get what you're saying but please don't use God and damn together.
Again, good point.
I love your videos, sir. Very well put-together docu-flights
Beautiful graphics, appreciate your hard work creating these invaluable episodes.
I remember when I was younger me and my soccer team took a flight from Dallas to Orlando for a tournament. A bit past mid flight the plane jolted right hard it felt like the wing was pointing toward the ground. I had to use all my strength to not fall out of my seat onto the person next to me and I felt this heavy pressure in my head. I thought I was going to die right then and there and im sure everyone else did too but no one said a word. Thank God it didn't last long and we landed safely. But I've never and will never get on another plane as long as i live. ( obviously besides the flight back in which I dreaded every moment of it).
Man I'll bet that was scary as hell, im glad you and everyone else mad it, I wouldn't fly again either.
Yep I worked for USAir when this happened. I was a Flight Attendant and a friend of mine that flew with me said her boyfriend had to go to this site ... he said they found key chains with one key on the ring stick deep into a tree while the rest just dangled ....that’s how bad the impact is. We had about 4-5 fatal accidents in the early 90’s. I left soon after as I just did not trust it anymore and felt uncomfortable flying every day for a living. And in case you don’t know or understand...it’s proven that the FAA nor the NTSB even really do anything until many people die in the name of MONEY. and politics.... it’s a fact ...just watch all the other videos and see that changes never really happened until people are dead...for example ...look at the 737-MAX .. Two had to go down
This makes me sad
yes for sure about that! It’s called “tombstone policy” in businesses such as airlines, maritime transportation and such. There has to be fatalities before a policy will be changed.
I admire your work greatly. Other similar uploaders should learn from you. Best graphics, detailing, VCR's FDR's, etc. Just the best. Thankyou.
Another excellent video. Always enjoy your productions.
I remember USAIR 427 that year and was sad. We flew on a USAIR 737 200 in 1995 ironically to Pittsburgh for a family trip, and I was 10 years old and I remember my mother being uptight during the whole flight. This aircraft was my favorite plane and special to me, as it was the first plane I ever flew in. I am grateful for two things; we made it safely to and from and the NTSB found the solution to the issue and made it safe for us to fly. Good work X Pilot...
And now it seems like the next gen Boeing 737-Max also has a design flaw.
An intentional design flaw, of all things, to place a heavy engine forward wing which will conserve fuel to compete with Airbus, then using software to correct for it. A terrible decision because they chose not to go with a full redesign of the 737 and meanwhile lose market to Airbus.
@@wintercame - Not exactly, the engine placement creates added lift at high AOA and this lift can make it easier for pilots to induce a stall themselves it's also affecting Airbus and their re-engined A32xneo family they simply have more robust electronics than MCAS but the pitching tendency is there just the same
Both manufacturers re-engined their products for the same reason as being the world's 2 most popular airliners the airlines were NOT eager to undertake the cost of requalifying all their air/ground crews for outright replacements the MAX was a victim of the 737's own success of course Boeing failed in their flimsy implementation of MCAS
Pablo Gonzalez Great comment Pablo! Thanks for sharing these insights!
imagine for a moment, the idea of installing a computer system that just simply pushes the nose down when it feels like it to compensate for the engines pulling the nose up, instead of training your pilots to recognize and compensate for the new forces pulling the nose of the plane up under power
Pablo Gonzalez
@pablo. You kind of forgot to mention that it’s a single sensor system and the only redundancy it has is within its own box. The pilots only had a differences course which did not include knowledge of that system. Given proper knowledge of the system, I don’t know if there were circuit breakers that could’ve been pulled to disable the system when it ran away so they could hand fly it. But the whole thing is a bloody effing disgrace. Can you spell “GREED”!!!
Excellent documentation of three landmark commercial aviation accidents-without the mausoleum piano dirge at the end. Thank you!
Good job as always!
Awesome video! Loved how u put more planes in one video! Good job keep up the good work!😀
Brilliantly done. Perfection
Chris Reilly o
Subscribed! These videos are very interesting, and very well made.
Thanks for posting.
Very thoroughly researched and thought provoking.
3 in 1! X Pilot on Fire! 🔥
These were particularly chilling!
We enjoy your videos, X Pilot, they're some of the best, good captions, good presentation; it IS IMPORTANT to know the stats on the pilots and/or crew. Thank you for posting. They often depict a sad loss, but, we learn from them. I'm not an airline pilot by choice, just a GA pilot for a ton of years, but we learn from others mistakes, sadly, and the physics apply no matter what kind of an aircraft it is, or what kind of human behavior caused the incident that ensued. One can always learn something from these videos, if you are open to learning and not critical like so many of those who comment. LEARN from it, and leave the criticizing to the FAA!
Hearing the frantic last words of the pilots is freaking terrifying.
Bet you loved it though.
Really great graphics , and thanks for the video, and YESI never forgot those 2 aircraft, then the 3rd was the key to the mystery.
Jeez, what sudden crashes. Really sad. Amazing video man.
Great video. love the channel, just subscribed today.
Great video. KEEP IT UP!
Awesome! Always click on your videos first when I see them!
Love it.
Nice job X
X Pilot Awesome Job Ur doing Luv ü dude you've just got yourself one more subscriber!! BTW I also have a whislist:
1. Aeroperu 603 ( gave me nightmares.)
2. British Airways 9 ( my first ever ever ACI episode as a little child )
3. Birgenair 301
4. Adam Air 574
5. Air Inter 148
6. Korean Air Cargo 8509
7. Ethiopian 409
8. XL-Airways Germany 888T
9. British Midland 92
10. Lauda Air 4
11. United Express 5925
12. Atlantic Airways 670
14. Air China 129
15. Kogalymavia 9268
Great video!
My mom was a first responder to us Air 427
You can't just leave it at that. We need gory details.
I was a first responder too. I saw the news on this incident and responded immediately by yelling, "What the Fuck?"
She responded to my text the other night too. She makes a great omelet. 😎
Amazing video man!😄
X Pilot :D
PS: Your welcome one of my favourite Youtbers!😀💜
@@XPilotYT why are the names wrong?
Nevermind I didn't watch the whole thing. I didn't realize we had 3 incidents here.
The “Pull up” warning voice is eerie :/
This phenomenon is known in the industry as a rudder “ hardover”. If your airspeed is below the rudder crossover speed in an event like this- you are screwed as the aircraft will be uncontrollable. Airspeed is the key factor here so that your opposing aileron has enough force to overcome the rudders full deflection. Once speed slows to below rudder crossover speed that’s the end of it. If the Eastwind crew were unable to rectify the problem, once they configured for landing and began to reduce to approach speed - they would have had to know what minimum speed it would take to maintain control with opposite aileron. Which also by the way is a slip flight configuration requiring maximum opposing aileron force and a lot of thrust. The only hidden aid that might alleviate some of the aileron force required to oppose the fully deflected rudder would have been asymmetrical thrust. Greater thrust on the side in which the rudder is deflected - lees thrust on the opposite side. This rudder hardover scenario is one situation I’m very glad the industry seemingly rectified with redesigned PCU’s.
A triple feature! Awesome!
Still sad after all these years. Good video but with one minor flaw: Heading south to COS from DEN the Rockies would be on the right side of the airplane...
i’m from colorado springs and the crash of UA585 happened about five miles from where i live. it’s quite chilling to think about.
R.i.p people in Colorado. That touched me the most. Anyway great work on the graphics :)
I remember USAir Flight 427. I was 12 and it went down about an hour away from my. The news talked about that incident for a looong time after. Whew.
It's all written in blood. It requires so many deaths in order to find a solution 😣
Only fools learn from mishaps. A Greek proverb.
Boeing, killing people for decades.
They call it tombstone technology.
Humans entire history is written in blood
I know it’s horriblen
I used to live near Widefield about five minutes from that park. I've always hated flying in an out of COS. Not only is it more expensive than flying out of Denver, but I almost always have a layover at either DIA or DFW as opposed to a direct flight. Also, the turbulence out of COS is far worse than out of DIA. It's quite terrifying.
I honestly hope that the victims of this flight and their families were able to find peace.
Terrifying. I've had dreams about the first scenario many times. Not afraid of flying, but one of those eerie moments.
Thanks for explaining what was a mysterious issue for a long time... every time I get on a 737 I think of these and other problems the run has had lol
Justa Bowler
Me too. I heard about the first plane with undetermined probable cause and this really concerned me to no end. Really apprehensive flying the 737 after that.
My god that is so utterly heartbreaking. Can you imagine not only seeing that but to be one of the few if not the only one to hear someone's last words. That would haunt me forever.
Lovely video 😁
8th of September eh? I thought my birthday was free of any aviation disaster. Great video! Also, the last 5 videos that I watched from you, the crashes happened in September. 1st: UPS Flight 6. Then all the 9/11 videos and now this!
So many 8th of Septembers in this video!
After watching all these I find it hard to remind myself that flying is still statistically the safest way to travel. Lol
Most car crashes, when you crash, you die and that's it or smoke renders you unconscious in seconds. In a plane, you get to scream for 30 seconds to a minute as you plunge from insane heights to your death. Statistically cars are more dangerous. Realistically, if you win the aircraft death lottery, your last seconds on Earth will be the most terrifying you could possibly imagine
@@pleasuretokill Er, thanks ... I'll look forward to my next flight
Devil'sAdvocate very well and scarily put when am I flying next lolololo
In 1987, I had not understood how planes and bodies become fragmented until two planes collided over my sisters house a few miles south of Salt Lake City Intl. I was visiting from California and she said I should know about the body parts from the crash in her fridge freezer...in case I got up in the middle of the night for a snack and found the parts. Her 5 kids and all the people in the neighborhood had searched thru the snow to recover parts. Authorities told them to collect them in plastic bags, put them in their freezers and call them in. It took some weeks to make all the collections. Anyway, there were several clear zip lock bags in her freezer and of course it was a stunning sight. A private pilot and instructor in a Mooney strayed into the path of a commuter plane on approach at about 7000 feet, as I recall. The Mooney plowed into the side of the commuter. Debris rained down over a 40 block area.
great video
Grew up in an extremely small PA town, and when Tim died on 427 it was just crazy. We never had stuff like that happen.
Ned Flanders may he and the other victims rest in peace
I flew into Pittsburgh a day after the accident. I remember lots of security at the airport and at the baggage area, box after box coming down the baggage chute with stuff for the NTSB. You would think that they would fly their stuff in to some cargo terminal, but it was coming in just like all other passengers. The place was buzzing that day and of course the investigation lasted years.
Gut wrenching thinking about the terror and pain of all those involved, including the loss experienced by the families.
Damn good video!
Did you upgrade something? The graphics in this video seem a lot better to me.
Great Video
737 Rudder Issue
I watched these before and it quite interesting how one failure become two
Actually, it became three! The third plane was 'charmed' with more airspeed and time for pilots to gain control... :)
Bravo to the captain of the Eastwind flight. His pilot's certification stood him in good stead, knowing how to compensate for the rudder problems. It looks like a happy occurrence they he was manually flying the plane at that time, and being able to land safely.
Really Good Video. Also, FYI the captain of flight 517 did an interview on the Mayday Video.
Finally! Been waiting
Nice video. Regards to the pilots who tryed to control their plane.
I don't know what it is but these recreations are very eerie.. I think its because plane crashes are pretty much the only kind of vehicle crash where the person knows what is about to occur and hearing the dialogue between everyone is just unsettling...
Wow, I have lived about 3 miles from widefield Park for most of my life and have always passed the memorial during walks but never looked into the tragedy. To see what actually occurred is devastating, considering it was all so sudden and unknown of the exact cause. Rest In Peace to the victims.
My girlfriend and I heard about the crash and went to Widefield Park maybe an hour or two after the plane went down. Police and fire crews were already there to preserve the site. Literally all you could see was a black, smoking pit and one or two landing gear tires. Everything else was in the ground. R.I.P. to those onboard.
I live right near there too, however I wasn’t born until 2003, and didn’t move to Colorado until 2007.
Amazed the last one landed. Top job
I lived in the neighborhood next to the park where 585 went down. I still remember the sound it made. I've always been afraid to fly since, but still get the window seat.
museack always get a seat in front of engines. Too loud behind. Plus you know, shrapnel.
Wow! I lived 1/2 mile from Widefield park when Flight 585 crashed. Can still remember where and what I was doing when that plane crashed! Crazy!!
God I need to stop watching these flight disaster videos. Really interesting but also sad. Doesn't help with my depression and anxiety one bit...
Ur still alive,and dont fly,ull be ok.its life,live it.
Yeah shit dont help but at least we didn't go through this!
I agree idk wth i am doing. I have severe depression and anxiety and have been binge watching these
Don't feel too bad. I'm a pretty calm person, but these vids get my heart racing. The presentation is so good, it feels like I'm there. Credit to XPilot!
The second crash’s pilot were calm until right before the hit the ground.
19 seconds from the failure to impact. Not enough time to realize what was happening. Ive heard bits of the CVR and read transcripts. They were panicking alot. Especially FO Emmet. Poor dude had no idea what the hell was happening. I believe his last words were "Shit, shit, shit". Not even joking. Them poor guys could do absolutely nothing in that short amount of time.
You Did a great job😉
That's just horrible. Imagine completing a several hour long flight completely uneventful, and you go into land and everything seems normal and then all of a sudden within 2 seconds your plan is spiraling towards the ground and you're inverted. Just the thoughts going through their minds...like you go from something mundane or normal, maybe thinking about napping or getting some lunch, and then suddenly you're about to die and you know it and there's nothing you can do but watch the ground get closer and closer. And imagine being a passenger...
Rudder issues on 737 redesigned and no more accidents since late 90’s until the 737 max arrives!
No wonder all the carriers are ordering Airbus.
Thank you for these videos, people need to know!
The stories of 3 plane and their rudder failure
This is like the DC-10 cargo door issue. Only they weren’t banned from US airspace until repaired
The govt and accident investigation authorities always treat Boeing with kid gloves, they get a lot of special consideration.
Except the flaw with the DC-10 cargo door was well known by McDonnell when it went to market.
That’s because Boeing is a weapons manufacturer.
Flight 427 cargo door was blown and found miles away.
If I recall correctly the NTSB recommended all new and more capable FDR’s that the airlines had to begin installing in their fleets to have them begin with the 737 first then follow up on there other models in the fleet. A not so subtle way of saying where they think the next loss will occur. Also Boeing did what they usually do when in a fix over a component on one of their products. They bought the company that manufactured the rudder PCU’s so they could control all the paperwork and outgoing data on them. And just like a few other incidents/accidents the suspect parts were sent to Boeing for testing. Not the most unbiased of investigators. Finally, Boeing was well aware of this rudder PCU issue years before it occurred in the U.S.!
I was working for United as a mechanic when 585 happened. I was thinking about the rudder problem, thinking is it wind sheer or rudder. C'mon Boeing. Later in 1996 I got a room mate and she was a flight attendant for US Air...and would fly that same routes.
I notice the PPG sticker on the windows @ 1:28 lol......the attention to detail in these videos is appreciated.
I was never in a plane crash (obviously!), but I was once on a plane that later crashed -- the Boeing 707 that crashed in the Ivory Coast in 1987 as Varig Flight 797. The plane had the registration PP-VJK, and I had flown on it several years earlier on a Varig flight from Rio de Janeiro to Santiago (Chile). I don't normally pay attention or memorize plane registrations, but a number of circumstances made that happen on that occasion. So, I jumped out of my chair astonished when I heard the news of the crash and learned that it had been a plane I had been on. And it was a wonderful and very scenic flight, great weather all the way, the sight of the Iguassu waterfalls from above, later the snow-capped Andes mountains, and a turnaround over the Pacific during which I could see the whole width of Chile (the country is a very long and narrow strip, if you look it on the map), from the ocean shore to the top of the Andes range.
Very lucky
2:29-"other flights also experiencing abrupt airspeed changes"..So it looked like eddies off the mountains were kicking planes around like footballs and this one probably took a big kick.
Eastwind airlines captain name was Brian Bishop
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He remarked that the NTSB were glad to see that he was ok but he thought that they were even more glad that his aircraft was ok because so much was riding on it.
I'm supposed to be studying but then this showed up -_-
That third pilot thought and acted very quickly. He is a true hero!
In the second video with the US Airways aircraft, where'd you get it? Been looking for a 737-300 Addon!
Thank goodness for the Flight 517 pilot saving the plane. How many more would have been lost?