DCS F-4E APQ-120 - Chaff effects
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- Опубликовано: 18 июн 2024
- flyandwire.com/2024/05/23/dcs...
Chaff is one of the oldest forms of conventional countermeasures created. Its representation in DCS is hugely simplified, but Heatblur has implemented some effects on the APQ-120 radar.
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00:00 Introduction
00:29 What are chaff?
01:59 Chaff in DCS
03:52 Locking Chaff
04:25 Conclusions 
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Great illustration of the chaff effect.
As a note of history, the chaff packs in the speed brakes was also used by F-4E crews before the ALE-40 dispensers were introduced (mid-to-late '70s). The aircrew would have the crew chiefs assist by stuffing the opened (they were kind of like in a box) chaff pack up in the speed brakes after engine start. The pilot would then close the brakes before taxi. Occasionally there would be a hiccup, when either a the speed brake switch was bumped, or the internal generators tripped, and the speed brakes would pop open on the ground. This would sometimes result in the chaff dumping out on the flightline. If it was windy, or if the chaff got caught in the jet wash, it would be a huge mess to clean up, as the chaff was tightly packed in the packages, and expanded to a massive bunch of fine metalized plastic strands. The pre-ALE-40 days also meant no flares.
Nice, I was not aware of that. Thanks for sharing it!
I salute your optimism on "updating video soon" :D In current DCS though, chaff is quite effective in countering F14 PAL mode, i guess due to suboptimal PAL scan pattern
Son, why are you even using PAL? Is your RIO asleep or something? :]
@@FlyAndWire its worse, sadly I don't even have a dedicated RIO. Just Jester 🥺
Uh, that's rough. I have no idea how you would play with Jester. I'd hop back and forth.
@@FlyAndWire simple, with Voiceattack and RIO control mod, i can do like 70% of RIO job, fast from front sit. Considering how unrealistically good datalink in DCS is, that more than enough.
Eh, still can't beat a human RIO, though, especially when you need to operate multiple things at the same time. It's a good workaround though.
Very interesting, as usual. Thank you.
Would you consider a video on shrikes? There’s almost no content out there in regards to them.
Thanks for the awesome video
I haven't looked at AG yet. I know @104thMaverick was working on it.
on another note, did you manage to employ the shrikes? I can’t get even the base growling going, mk50 seeker.
I haven't looked at AG yet. I know @104thMaverick was working on it.
Which is the bind to use chaff from the pilot seat in the F-4E??
"Dispense Countermeasures", it's on the throttle.
I've played DCS off and on since it originally came out with Blackshark and of course the flanker/lomac series prior. To me it's kind of shocking that with all the advancements that have been made, flare and chaff are still so crude. It's crazy to say it, but warthunder actually has better chaff/flare modeling than DCS does. It shouldn't be that way, but it is. Hopefully ED updates it in the near future. Really painful to have to admit that an arcade flying game is more realistic in this particular way.
I have also played since LOMAC, and I have a strong feeling that the CM system used back then is still the same.
If we all harassed ED for a coutermeasures overhaul we might get it
I guess you are kind of joking, but harassing won't make them suddenly focus on chaff. Consider that chaff is not as simple as it sounds, and once done, it has to be synched in multiplayer as well.
@FlyAndWire oh i know it wont be instant. But it would be nice if chaff wirked like chaff and pre flareing worked
Yeah, I agree with that. I remember pointing out the same issues five years ago when discussing the AN/ALE-39.
I wonder.. should chaff be more reflective than the host aircraft?
(ie "brighter")
chaff fooled Gordon
why?
couldn't he just lock the leading edge of the return as well?
I suspect there's more going on here than meets the eye
I am unfamiliar with the DDart, but considering how narrow the radar APQ-120's scanned volume is, I think it is easy to imagine an F-104 dropping chaff and then changing geometry, affecting Gordon's radar awareness. At that point, he saw the lingering bundle of chaff, which you can see in DCS as well, but here, it disappears so quickly that there is no time to change geometry.
Does rhe ohabtim have internal chaff and flares?
nah, they're external pods attached to pylons 2 and 8
^ this. Therefore, remember to load them up; otherwise, you'll be wondering why pressing the dedicated button has no effect - yes, I did that sometimes.
@@FlyAndWire they're built into the pylons though arnt they?
No. They are basically anchored there, but they can be removed. That's why you need to add them from the mission editor, otherwise no CM for you.
@@FlyAndWire so when it comes to rearm and mission editor they're separate from the pylons themselves? Ie just another store mounted to that pyl9n?
Dcs not making chaff work accurate is stupid. Even war thunder can do it better.
Tech debt, probably. They'll catch up at some point. WT is so simplistic that drastic changes are fundamentally easy to implement, even more so since no 3rd parties are involved.
DCS is lacking on a lot of things. 20 years is a long time to only have what we have now, and most of it being broken really sucks. Fixing bugs and QOL issues that Players have doesn't make money though. Pumping out new half-finished content does, so that's what they focus on. 10 years now players have been begging for the AI to be fixed. 10 years. Wanting bombs to actually cause splash damage for even longer. Ground units not to have aimbot levels of accuracy regardless of visibility. Combined arms fixed and being improved. Treating 3rd party devs with respect and not treating mod developers like the enemy unless they make something they can turn into profit. So many things we'd rather have than new F-16/18 pilot models that no player is ever going to see while playing.
Very much this. The EA model rewards pumping out stuff to sell, and shiny graphics attract kids in primis.
Things like missiles, chaff and EW will not increase sales, at least not as long as a new competitor arrives.