Disaster In The Potomac - Air Florida Flight 90
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- Опубликовано: 24 сен 2018
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Air Florida Flight 90 was a scheduled U.S. domestic passenger flight operated by Air Florida from Washington National Airport to Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport with an intermediate stopover at Tampa International Airport on January 13th, 1982. 
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As a former Flight Attendant for UAL, I've seen firsthand how passengers complain when flight crew announces a return to gate for safety/mechanical issues. Remember, safety first and foremost above all. Better to get to final destination late than never...God bless
As my husband says, "it is always better to be on the ground wishing to be up rather than being up in the sky wishing to be down".
@@cellgrrl
Amen to that!
The huff and puff is not because its going back to maintenance, of course that is a good thing, its because they paid good money for their trip, and its the airline job to insure that they do it in a timely manner.
Back in the '80s I used to fly Florida-Washington-Florida a little more than once a month and usually flew Florida Air. It's good to be able to hold two different thoughts at once: I could be both annoyed over any delay and at the same time be pleased to do whatever flight safety demanded.
"I've got an idea!" -- Never a good thing to hear from a pilot prior to takeoff.
Years ago I was on the Washington Metro and the driver said into the loudspeaker...."The brakes aren't working, the brakes aren't working.....I know what I'll do..."
The second I saw that I thought "well they're absolutely fucked"
RK807 And how did that scenario end?
RK807 so what happened afterwards?
Or: “ Hold my beer”
I can’t stop watching these videos and it’s messing up my mind. Dark shit.
Walter Sobchak me too, but also good lessons to see how the aviation industry has learned from mistakes and that many of these people didn’t die in vain
Walter, where did you get that gun from?
2 hours later I’m in the same rabbit hole
Walter Sobchak - I understand. Maybe you should watch something happy. Might I suggest The muppets with REM singing shiny happy people.
Walter Sobchak I’ve been addicted to these since the first Challenger shuttle debacle...may all their souls rest in peace. A plane crash is a terrible way to die
"anti-ice", "off", ...good idea
Stephen Dreher - Their fate was sealed when they reversed out of the gate and when they used a DC-9 to de-ice the wings.
Exactly what I said. This should never have gone up anyway those people probably got millions
God Bless that man that jumped into the river to help with rescue efforts.
When you can see the problem before they even take off. Pettit knew there was something off straight away.
His piloting was terrible though, he was the one pulling back through a stall. And he didn't reject the takeoff when he saw unusual thrust readings and slow acceleration.
@@SamnissArandeen His piloting wasn't terrible. This video makes it sound like the captain was trying to save them all, in reality the dumbass was the reason the ice blew back on the wings. Even the technician who was talking to the captain was appalled by him and knew he was stupid. Pushing down - as he saw - wasn't going to help because they never got any air under the wings anyway.
His Co-Pilot told him there was an issue immediately. This was 1982, not now. What captains said back then went. So basically the captain is your typical office dumbass who gets everyone into trouble and then thinks it's everyone else but him. The person who did the captions on this did a terrible job and showed very poor understanding of this accident. Just because the captain was saying "forward, forward" doesn't mean the Co-Pilot WASN'T already pushing forward. The captain didn't even know what the issue was and like any normal dumbass blamed the co-pilot, someone with military flight experience.
The sad thing is, if the co-pilot had equal say in the takeoff, he probably would have aborted, but the pilot told him to go ahead and take off. From there, their fate was sealed. They didn't crash because of the stall. They crashed because they couldn't get any altitude because of the ice on the wings. You can't avert a stall at that altitude. I'm sure the captain died thinking the co-pilot killed them. In reality, the captain killed them all.
Arland D Williams Jr. must never be forgotten, even though he was helpless and strapped into the wreckage he didn’t try to free himself . He passed the rescue ropes to the five others to get them out of the water. He knew there was little time before they would suffer from hypothermia, They renamed the bridge after him ,don’t forget him!
I love how there's no music. Deaf silence makes dramatic effect by forcing one to evaluate what's important him/herself.
Yep. Music forces an emotion. Better to have no music on these.
FYI
The Washington DC Metro had a derailment around the same time that day and emergency services were being dispatched there as well.
So that day, you had gridlock from the bridge being closed due to the accident, airport being closed due to the weather, and the rail system messed up due to the derailment.
That was a bad day to be in Washington DC.
Yes. I believe there were some fatalities from the subway derailment as well. Not a good day.
It was a horrible day. The weather was awful. I had the day off and watched it all on TV. And there were people killed in the subway accident. A day I’ll never forget
I was on a plane that was delayed 45 minutes and then had to de-ice 2 weeks ago. We ended up getting to Denver 11/2 hours after our scheduled arrival. I had txted my son to let him know we’d be late getting back from SLC. He thought it was a bummer we had to de-ice. He’s 20 years old and remembers no major plane crashes in his life. I was 20 for this one and it is etched into my memory. I cried when I had learned the brave passenger who helped others out of the Potomac had died. I’m tearing up now. I hope ppl always remember what flying used to be like, when planes crashed relatively frequently, and not take all the hard work and sacrifices that went into making flying the safest form of travel today for granted.
This comment has hardly aged well as airplanes be crashing way too often imo.
Airline rules are written in blood.
There's no room for "maybe" when flying a plane. If something's not quite right, ya don't fly!
"That's not right. No, I don't think that's right. Ah, maybe it is." Let's just risk the lives of everyone on board and try and take off? These dudes had time to abort. You're dealing with an unprecedented snow storm and flying conditions. Smh
I remember that day very well. I watched every minute of television coverage and saw Lenny Skutnik dive without apparent hesitation into that frigid, fuel-tainted water. He's been my hero ever since. We never know how we'll act if we're in a disaster of some kind, We know what we *think* we'd do, and what we *hope* we'd do, but that's about the best we can do until that moment comes. I hope I would be as quick to action as Mr. Skutnik was.
I've been waiting for this and you haven't let me down! Good work X Pilot!
I was waiting for a new video.. discovered ur channel 6 days ago and been binging since :) went from someone who knew nothing at all about planes to somehow who atleast knows the important bits now! Thanks 😊
I don’t even know much about planes, but the entire time while they were preparing for take-off I was thinking in my head “Why not just let a ground team de-ice the wings on the runway?” Then at the end it says that they NOW de-ice planes that are on the runaway and have left the gate. Easily could’ve been prevented in hindsight.
That's so sweet. It made me cry that they renamed the bridge after him. What am amazing man!
There are tons of videos on plane crashes but no one comes close to the level of detail and quality as you! Thank you.
Rip arland d. Williams jr a true hero whom should never ever be forgotten for his sacrifice
I remember when this happened. As often happens, it was not just one thing or one decision that was wrong, it was the cumulative effect. The debacle at the gate was a forewarning.
That first officer was leary the entire time and the captain shrugged it off! Then, a man rescues people from the water and then he himself drowns! Rip to all passengers and crew! Rip Arland Williams
If the checklist mentions de0icer, and the F/O calls out 'off', isn't that something to have addressed... in these conditions?
Excellent video as usual, X Pilot. Thank you.
Excellent as always - my favourite channel on youtube
It is not clear in the video if they had de-ice (orange) and anti-ice (green), or just de-ice only. There is a time limit for de-ice, and it most assuredly isn't 60+ mins. Those pilots were incredibly naive and dense.
A very unfortunate accident that could have been easily avoided. Your ass is in line for a whole hour in the freezing snow. Get it back to the gate and de-ice.
I wonder why they didn't de-ice the planes right before takeoff? Isn't it just common sense that if you de-ice the plane at the gate and send in into the storm for an hour, it's gonna need another de-icing before takeoff?
Beautiful work as always
Good as always, keep up the awesome videos!
You do great vids man!
Very good quality videos, love them
This video makes you feel your actually on board, one of these Pilots was concerned about ice on the wings yet they didn't appear to do anything about it, so sad that they didn't take the time...Thankyou for a great video.
Cool vid, watched the whole thing
I remember that day, like it was yesterday. That lady was giving it her all to live, but she was DONE, slipping under. Then that guy dove in and pushed her those last few feet. My eyes teared up then and they tear up now. HERO.
Why the hell would they have not had the engine anti-ice on? is there some downside to using it when you would think it's not needed?
I wondered the same thing. Plus they hadn't been de-iced for over 90 minutes before takeoff, and knew there was ice on the wings...
@@utubejewell A lot of pilots are cowboys. The cowboys of the sky... These pilots cowboyed it, and thought they could get away with it.
P.S. I used to work at an airport for the FBO. Yes, I've got stories. Lost some respect for pilots, that's for sure.
Mr.Clem Man, I'd be like Michael Collins of Apollo 11, BY THE BOOK, always, and if you're NOT working at a specific moment, that nose had better be in the book.
Right!! When they were going through that checklist and the captain said the deicer was off I was like wtf why? Turn that on.
They didn’t activate anti ice but I don’t know why. The crash report said because the pilots flew the planes from warmer climates and so they were not used to icy conditions, which makes no sense, if you go to colder climates it is noticeable instantly. They knew ice was on the wings. Only they know why they didn’t go to the back of the queue for deicing. However they are not at fault entirely as planes should be de iced while taxiing and it wasn’t till after the crash that airlines adopted the practice.
Lenny the civilian stopped his car, watched for while, then dove in and returned with a woman who was blinded (temporarily) by the fuel.
I remember when this happened. I was 14 years old. I watched the rescues unfold live on tv. Quite dramatic to say the least!
Another great video. Those pilots did everything wrong. Inexperienced, and almost no experience flying in blizzard like conditions. I would like to see a video on the 1956 Grand Canyon collision. As tragic as it was, it lead to major changes in the airline industry.
I believe he can only make videos on planes that are in his flight sim. It would be nice to see older incidents as well.
Thank you for this video and the focus of Arland D Williams. I was a young kid when this happened and remember the coverage and the tears when we seen he did not make it after helping so many that horrible day. A lesson today's youths sorely need.
That you don't make it if you help others? No, I don't think our "youths" are any more or less likely to save others. The human condition has not changed in a mere forty years - there are those that are willing to throw themselves to save people and those who aren't. We should value and honor the former, but, relatively, there aren't more or less of them than there have ever been.
Agreed. The whole "damn the youth of today" mentality is a result of ignorance, nothing more.
I lived in DC at the time, and this really brings back the horror of watching coverage of the aftermath in real time - bodies in the icy floes of the Potomac, the waves stirred up by the choppers ... the chaos on the bridge. Seared in my memory is the footage of a woman trying to grasp hold of a flotation device of some sort - but too exhausted and frozen to succeed. It was a terrible storm to begin with, and I cannot believe that flights were not grounded. What a dreadful event. RIP.
This was in the days when the Captain had complete control and F/O had to obey. First Officer knew something was seriously off. If they had aborted before about 6:17 they would've just skidded off the runway.
I Love your videos
I remember watching this live all day on CNN here in Florida, the rescues were epic, and it was freezing cold here, too. RIP to all who perished. Anyone who didn't have teary eyes watching Mr. Skutnik and Pres. Reagan, at the SOTU address isn't human. And, there it is....got something in my eyes, BRB.
Two fantastically brave and selfless men, Lenny Skutnik and Arland D Williams.
I love their composure. “Larry, we’re going down”. I know! Says Larry. It is not just they didn’t activate anti ice because now planes are de iced while taxiing. So potentially there will still have been too much ice on the wings and the engines had ingested ice after the thrust was activated. They could have gone to the back of the queue by deicing again. I’m sure they considered it but they would possibly by then be out of flight time.
The survivors were:
Bert Hamilton
Kelly Duncan (Flight Attendent)
Nicky Felch
Joe Stiley
Pricilla Tirado
Stiley
The last lady, tirado lost her husband and baby in the crash. Sad
@@alwillk I really wish that they could've saved Arland Williams Jr too. He was the man who kept passing the rescue line to the other survivors while he was trapped in the wreckage. He was posthumously awarded the Gold Lifesaving Medal. The 14th Street Bridge was renamed in his honor.
I remember this one well. I was only a few blocks from the 14th Street bridge when this happened. I was in the Marine Corps at the time, stationed at HQMC in Arlington. Howard Stern was a radio DJ in DC at the time and he got suspended for calling the airlines a couple of days later, on air, and asked to buy a ticket for Flight 90 to the 14th Street bridge. It did not go over well with the powers that be.
These videos are so cool!
This one was a little to cool..*dradum tsss*
I was a flight attendant on New York air. Air Florida was behind us We were headed to Boston and found out inflight.. It was a very sad event and it was a major storm with delays all day... Airport should have shut down for the day
That 747 at DCA though...
I caught that immediately too! Impossible.
Yea there is no way one of those could fit on that runway
Great video as always, do you have plans to do Northwest 255?
Have you done the marshall university football team crash from awhile ago? If not thats a suggestion....you do great eork, keep it up!
I loved the GPWS warnings your videos used to have. They added quite a bit of surrealism and information to the video. Maybe bring them back?
You know what you get when you burn jet fuel, class? Water vapor. Never use direct exhaust for de-icing; as soon as the heat is removed all you're left with is the condensation that's going to quickly freeze.
I remember that day. Its was January 13, 1982. I was leaving the Washington navy yard on a job. Then they told us to go home because of the snow. It was around 300pm. TRAFFIC was very slow bumper to bumper we where 1/2 from the bridge when the plane went down. I think it was around 4pm. finally got home at 10pm.
I remember watching this on the news as a little kid.
Question to any commercial pilots out there: Even if you're getting outlandish readings on your engines, after flying for a number of years wouldn't you know "the feel" of the aircraft and know you will need TOGA power regardless in a situation with rough conditions? Also as other people have stated why wasn't the de-icing turned on? Is there a protocol to have it off while grounded?
I would have said you should be able to hear how fast the engine was turning or not. Before you lift, it pushes you back into your seat. It didn't do that this time. There was a book on crashes and interviews with people who survived. On a Wing and a Prayer.
I love your videos. Can you look into Northwest Airlink Flight 5719?
After thorough analysis I have concluded that this tragedy was caused by human error, as is the case more often than not. RIP All souls involved.
Those families and people probably got millions. That plane should never left the ground
I've crossed the bridge this plane hit so many times. One time a plane flew over us as we crossed. Eventually a tragedy like Flight 90 was bound to happen.
Yes this IS the eccidence we saw I remember we watched the whole eccidence it was sad very sad I was teenage god bless them Thankyou 👍
There’s not enough of your videos
Yay new vid pls make next taca 110
I’ve added this to my Watch Later list.
I'm so mad at you
The pilots didn't push the throttle past the presets. If you're flying a brick, might as well try full throttle before crashing.
Did you build your own computer to run your flight sims? If so, what kind of hardware are you running? I'm looking to build a computer primarily for flight sims but I don't want to spend a fortune on it.
There was a plane crash in Charlotte NC in the ninties could you check that one out?
I remember the day this happened I live 3 hours from Washington in the valley I was in kindergarten when it happened. I was watching cartoons on channel 5 when the special report came on tv
Could you do the Uruguayan Air Force Flight 571 crash from the movie "Alive?"
Oh wow, an interesting story
Its a good movie. Check it out.
It’s an even better book
How did you do the de icing
Just FYI, don’t think those big planes (saw a 747 when they were waiting in line) can take of from DCA. It’s longest runway is still really short
I remember the day this happened, we were all shocked by the news that this was caused by icing, a common problem facing aircraft that depart Toronto in winter where I live.
Can you make a video about the 1987 LOT 5055 Catastrophy in Warsaw? I can help with translating if you can't find sufficient English materials.
One of the survivors, I believe the one who was traveling with his secretary, has stated since the day of the crash that he had a bad feeling in his stomach the moment he realized the pilots were using reverse thrust. He thought at thar exact moment he needed to get off but for some reason he didn't. I'm going to go look it up, but before I do, I'm just going to say I believe he was either an aviation fan or small plane pilot, like he held a single engine certificate.
What add-ons do you use for P3D?
Larry we are Going down!
I know!
*sound of impact*
Imagine being on the bridge and seeing a PLANE coming at ya!
This was the first rescue afford of any kind i'd ever seen on tv.
Pettit: anti-ice?
Wheaton: off
Pettit: brain
Wheaton: off
Air Florida 090
Fatalities : 74
Survivors : 5
7:06 So who animates these clips? Or are they from a movie?
Sad all they had to do is keep anti ice on or get diced again
Another great video X Pilot! Love the high def quality. I don't like the all-caps font though, sorry.
The best one yet can you do fine air 101
The pilots was young for this cold ❄winter
Can you bring the old text font back? I like that one better than the weird one you use now for your newer videos
Don't you see ? Your imaginary god already blessed them with the crash!
Dude I’m terrified of flying but I appreciate the fuck out of your videos ... absolutely amazing work .
I've seen this exact one on tv.
I wonder why the other airplanes in the queue did not suffer from the same problem of ice accumulating on the wings?
I was also wondering this since I first watched the events of this on Mayday. I was thinking some of those planes failed to de-ice again so you would think they might be at the same risk as this one. Maybe there was luck involved...?
@@jblue705 neither of you know when they were deiced, you are assuming that the order the planes are queued in, was the order they were deiced in, and I don't know why you are assuming that. This plane could have been one of the first to be deiced and therefor was standing around the longest. Also, the captain had his planes deicers off, don't ask me why, I think he had a death wish.
Anti ice: off
Can’t believe they didn’t clock on.
Im from dc and i didnt know that bridge was renamed. We all call it the 14th st bridge.
what simulator is this? because it is much prettier than any flight sim i've seen
If you're worried about the effective shape of the airfoil as he clearly was, why on earth would you try to climb out at a steep or even a normal angle of attack???
If someone told you they had replaced your wings with some mystery airfoil section the last thing you would do is test out its critical angle of attack on take-off!
This seems to happen often when aircraft are already facing other problems, what is the harm in taking off at the minimum climb rate necessary to clear the barrier fence when conditions are against you??
Major snowfall.
"Anti Ice?"
"..... Nah! "
This is a great video, yet again. there’s really great documtaries on this crash. One passenger who had quit smoking decided to sit in the smoking section of the plane, which was in the back of the plane back when you could some. You could say smoking saved his life. There were survivors in the cold water for hours. Rescue crews were struggling, finally a bystander says fuck this, takes his clothes off and drives headfirst into the freezing water to save the woman. It’s all on film. Crazy. Look up on RUclips “ordinary heros: Lenny skutnik”
Any plans for the big ones? JAL 123 crash? Or the Tenerife one?
So many crashes...so little time.
Damn I was sitting here like “INCREASE YOUR SPEED AND ROTATE” even tho I know nothing about flying
yo you should do one on the roberto clemente plane crash
Am I the only one who noticed the repeated text from 8:45 at 9:07?
Make that two....
Oh, I don't mind at all. I thought that I had seen it wrong, until 404Fox mentioned it.
No, youre not
I have noticed a reoccurring theme in many of these videos ... Pilot error or maintenance issues . SAD ..
Weather
If the weather is bad. Don't Fly.
If you think you need to de-ice again. Do it. Beats being dead.
Turning the de-icer off has never been a good idea in any of the crash videos I've seen.