Downed In New York - American Airlines Flight 587
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American Airlines Flight 587 was a regularly scheduled passenger flight from John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York City to Las Américas International Airport in Santo Domingo in the Dominican Republic.
My girlfriend at the time was a flight attendant for American Airlines and flew on 587 every month .. She was on vacation when it went down and killed all of those poor souls. Cindy knew the entire crew.. It was absolutely devastating.
I'm So Sorry To Hear That
What a terrible trauma for her to carry with her. Trauma can become lessened with time, but it never goes away. So, so sorry!
RIP you can get another one
it was not her time yet...
Una azafata estába por irse de boda con su prometido escuché por ahí
I knew someone on this flight. I ran a spring water delivery route to homes back then. He was retired, but worked part time in a security booth gatehouse for a retirement community in Ridge, long island. His name was Joe. Nice guy. Rest in peace.
SO MANY HORRIFIC PLANE CRASHES HAVE OCCURRED IN THE N.Y.C. AREA OVER THE YEARS
I knew 3 people on this flight ... Rest In Peace
My great uncle was on that flight, no wonder my mom kept saying that he was living in New York City. I understand the truth now
God bless everyone 🙏🏻❤️
There was lady on that flight that was supposed to be on one of the 9/11 hijacked planes but missed the flight. That's some scary shit right there.
I remember that now that you say it... Final Destination VII
watershed44 I could only imagine. I bet rent a car sales went through the roof if people were driving instead of flying. What a terrible tragedy this was.
watershed44 Wow, that is crazy. You know it's bad when they don't even care about the money they paid for the ticket. Geez.
watershed44 and then many more people ended up dying in road accidents :) the universe is merciless
@@watershed44 It's ETC (ETCetera), not ECT.
Why do I keep watching these? I have a flight in 2 weeks lol.
Did you crash?
You good man?
@@buckzz___ I don't think he made it
@@mkailov13 LMFAO
Yo you good?
A Final Destination type fact: Two men on that flight escaped the falling towers on 9/11
Their "fate" cought up with them..
@@kostan55 Not funny you ignoramus and learn how to spell before trying to be a smarta**
See, You don't escape exploding planes either way
Holy shit…
I'm putting some fault with the Captain. You could tell the first officer wasn't comfortable with leaving that soon after the 747. Hell, wait one more minute. Better lose a minute than 300 lives.
I got that feeling as well. He should have spoken up. Molin prob had a more aggressive personality, so he let him overpower him.
@@Karamarika aome arwnt capable of.dealing with higher ups in power. I kno im not. My boss tells me to do something i DO IT PRIOD. I need my job desperately and i hate confrontation
Tarl Cabbot To be fair neither the captain or F/O were to blame unfortunately it's what they were taught to do in training when encountering wake turbulence.
Pilots are human. Until people just accept the fact that an AI machined learned until as much experience and simulations are absorbed with the equivalent of millions of flight hours would perform far better then a human lives will be lost because....human.
Look at Air France. That plane plunged into the ocean because a fool was so lost and stupid he kept trying to pull the plane above the slope and stalled and killed everyone.
I think people feel safer imagining that a pilot would try to save their own life in an emergency. There's the rub. Fear of death would make even the most even keeled pilot falter.
Plus how many times has a pilot downed a plane because they were too scared to kill themselves solo and had to shuttle everyone into oblivion with their pathetic suicide.
The F/O was tense. He was young and wasn't comfortable climbing out and end up wallowing in the JALs wake.
Yes he overcorrected...but look at by how much. The poor training didn't instruct them to cause twice the max load on the tail fin.
He had a gut feeling they were too close. But he let the experienced pilot push on. I bet it was the first time he experienced wake turbulence and his anxiety killed almost 300 people.....and two dogs.
No fear with an AI at the helm. No politics or flirting or sleep deprivation clouding judgment.
I completely agree! Man, sometimes its tough knowing where and when to call out a Captain on shit like this. Over the years I've just learned to always follow my gut and speak up and to hell with it. I am 56 though and am much wiser.
My moms family had an exchange student that was on this flight, I never got the chance to meet her because she died on this flight, before I was even born, but my mom named my middle name after her, and with that I would of loved to meet her. My mom has said how sad the day was for her, and how she couldn’t comprehend it because she got a voicemail from her that morning saying how she misses her, and she loves her, my mom said that she kept that voicemail for a long time. But when my mom heard it in the news she was like how could this happen because she just alive and well this morning.
Thanks for remember the dogs life. The one air crash investigation episode I see to remember animals in aircraft was one in Colombia. They are victims like humans, they are life.
They're better than humans. They have no malice. Can't say that for "human beings." Who will kill you for 0 reason.
When Douglas Aircraft Company designed the DC-9 airplane in 1963, they included a simple pneumatic/mechanical device called a rudder load limiter that progressively restricted maximum rudder deflection as a function of increasing airspeed. It looked incredibly crude, almost cartoonish, when installed, but it worked, and was carried over to all models of the DC-9 and the later MD-80s. If such a device had been installed on the A-300, the pilot would have been unable to destroy the stabilizer and cause this accident. Just saying.
Hopelessand Forlorn I was thinking of a dampener or load disconnect myself! Even hydraulic systems have pressure relief valves..
The simplest solutions are often very good. I had a VW that had a valve in back underneath, connected to the suspension swingarm by a little rod. When the rear of the body would rise up, as it does under hard braking, that rod would progressively restrict the amount of brake fluid pressure going out to the rear brakes. So instead of locking up the rear wheels and becoming useless under hard braking, they always had just the right amount of braking action. That was pre-ABS ('79) and it worked VERY well...
it is all ready installed on all new planes
Excellent evaluation!
Such a device doesn't take into consideration the loads imparted by sideslip angles, and wouldn't stop the FO from making the rudder perform multiple successive full deflections. The stabilizer lugs failed at 250% of their designed load. I'd like to see a DC anything withstand that kind of punishment.
You would think that the makers of the plane would have had a max torque setting that could not be exceeded by pedal input.
Exactly right. You mean to tell me a pilots actions can cause the tail fin to shear off???? That's nut's. End of story, Airbus is a menace to flying, Never get on an Airbus aircraft. The most deadly thing is the joy stick location for the co-pilot. Airbus is Deathbus.
Too rational!
Bingo!
Merlin Man absolutely brother this is my thinking as well.
That's an airbus way of thinking....protect the plane from the dumb human!
I'm not a pilot but by the description, it was not the failing of the First Officer
as he was following his training.
It was the fault of those who wrote the training specs.
ianrsigel : If the pilot had considered the F/O unease with taking off so soon behind the 747,he would not have had to go and use those "training specs"
@@ebayerr They were cleared for takeoff, definitely the fault of the instructions combined with some ass-backward design that allows too much force to be applied to the controls to the point it just SHEERS THE TAILFIN OFF
I remember that accident. I lived twelve blocks from the crash site. I could hear the sound of the plane coming down from my house. Such a tragedy.
Something like causes panic by it self but remember when this was. This was only 2 months after 9/11. It took a lot to convince people that this was not terror related.
but yeah I agree
Jesus did it really filter my comment because I said the T word?
R.I.P. to all the victims. Thank you for this video as a Dominican New Yorker who is an aviation enthusiast.
Who tf cares about your race?
@@AJslayer86 your sorry ass cares
Learning that some people in this flight actually escaped death once from 9/11 is actually really saddening to hear :(
I'm glad to see they mention the dog. That's actually kind of nice
Its the worse dog aircraft disaster...
It's cat-cist to completely ignore the 4 cats that died.
Fuck the dog.
No it's not. It's fucking stupid.
No, it’s dumb
True story: At the time, my father was working for a company in Manhattan where he had a co-worker who was one of the men who tackled the 1993 Long Island railroad shooter. That man was able to walk away from the shooting, completely okay with no injuries. He is a true hero, but his life has been wildly unfortunate because almost 8 years later, his sister died due to the American Airlines flight 587 crash. But she wasn’t on the plane. She was in her house. Talk about horrendous luck.
Hope he’s well. He deserves nothing but the best that life has to offer from here on out.
im so sorry god bless everyone thank god i wasent born in the 90s too see this
@@user-hr7gj3im7p i know this was 5 months ago but this was the 2000's
I'm sad that 260+ people died, but to be honest, no aircraft design should even allow for structural failure from inputs that are actually possible by the pilot. If the pilot possibly *could* operate the rudder in "xyz" fashion, then the structure of the aircraft should have been designed such that it would accommodate"xyz" without failing. I blame this more on AC design, and not so much pilot error. He did nothing more than the aircraft's design allowed him to do, and the AC's structural design should have been such that it could accommodate such inputs if any pilot ever *did* enter them. I'm not comparing this to any obvious error such as deliberately putting the AC into a nose dive and deliberately impacting terrain. The pilot was just trying to adjust for turbulence using inputs the AC's flight controls enabled him to enter. And the structural design of the AC should have allowed for that.
All aircraft can be designed and built to withstand poor piloting skills and bad handling. But instead, aircraft manufacturers rely on the simulator training the crews receive rather than adding 100's of kgs of additional material to the airframe.
yeah, they used a common practice-- which made the tail fall off. sketchy
@M Deckers What he is saying is correct. No aircraft can be deemed air worthy if wake turbulence can rip it apart.
All airplanes can be destroyed by a pilot exceeding the structural limitations of the aircraft. Every airplane has operating limits; if you go too fast and yank back hard on the controls, something (usually the tail) is going to fail. Airspeed indicators on all airplanes are marked with a white line; this is the maneuvering speed: on small airplanes, at this speed or below, no matter what the pilot does, you cannot 'break' the airplane (unless you hit something). "At speeds close to, and faster than, the maneuvering speed, full deflection of any flight control surface should not be attempted because of the risk of damage to the aircraft structure." (Wikipedia) The FAA's own "Pilot's Handbook of Aeronautical Knowledge" says that "any combination of flight control usage, including full deflection of the controls, or gust loads created by turbulence should not create an excessive air load if the airplane is operated below maneuvering speed." BUT -- and here's the big thing -- that's for small airplanes, the ones all pilots start their training on. The design/certification rules for airliners are different; even below the 'white line' maneuvering speed, full control deflection, if repeated back and forth, can and will break the airplane. A lot of airline pilots were not aware of this prior to this accident; their prior training led them to believe that keeping below the white line airspeed meant they were safe, no matter what they were flying. Airbus made the situation worse by reducing the amount of force necessary to move the rudder all the way to the stops; if you've ever driven an old car with power steering (1960's-1970's), the effect is similar; you get very little feedback in terms of feel through the steering wheel, and you can steer the car at any speed with just one finger. And those full-length rudders can really deliver a lot of roll as well as yaw; kicking the rudder around on a 737 will really twist the whole airplane around, not just swing the nose left or right, but also roll the airplane in the opposite direction. American's wake turbulence training (before this accident) emphasized using the rudder in wake turbulence encounters, so when the vertical stabilizer separated, everyone was shocked, and none more so than the crew of AA 587.
There isn't a single aircraft in the sky that can't be destroyed by improper pilot input
Who remembers this? It was not long after 9/11 and crashed in a neighborhood where many first responders had died in the twin towers. It was terrifying, but I can’t imagine the horror those people went through. 💔
I remember this. I lived in NY at the time. I believe the crash was in Far Rock a Way
Worst air disaster in US canine history and it wasn’t even a United flight.
Tom TomTomTom wow nice roast fuck united airlines lol
I shouldn't be laughing as loudly as I am... good one! :)
Tom TomTomTom 😂🤣😄 Good one!
good one tom tomtomtom
All the passengers had been dragged off the United flight that day, so there was no reason to go flying.
Finally a video where the animals who died being mentioned. Usually they are forgotten. Rest in peace precious beings
@Hal 9000 Far from it, snowflake. Trump2020🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸💪👍👍
I remember this one well. I was in primary school (elementary school for you Americans) We were just leaving class when the teacher was talking about it. I wasn't paying attention and thought she was just talking about what happened two months before. It was only when I got home and saw my family crowded around the TV. I can't exactly remember what my reaction was, but a guest was there and I do remember him saying something like 'holy shit, they're taking it to the neighbourhood now'. An understandable reaction given the events in September.
Rest in Peace.
When you see "violently and abruptly" mentioned with regards to aircraft, you know it's going to end badly...
A think it's safe to say that 2017 has been a great year for you, thank you for your content and I hope you have great winter holiday X pilot.
Sincerely
Me.
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His videos are great. I just found them and he's spot on.
Lots of time and effort for both the simulator setup and finding the video clips, along with factual info.
Good job, great channel.
@@XPilotYT This video is great. I do have an Air Disasters episode that is titled Queens Catastrophe. It's chilling that 1st Officer Sten Molin would respond to Wake Turbulence by using extreme rudder inputs on that Airbus A300, and him applying over 200,000 Pounds of Force (100 Tons) is far over the max load of 100,000 pounds (50 tons).
that has nothing to do with the crash. you're way off topic.
the tail was like "I quit goodbye"
Nah. like ' Fuck this shit i'm out. no thanks excuse me please. fuck this shit i'm out :'D
Bye felicia
i know that song...
More like it chucked the deuces✌
Loled
These videos are great. Those who love planes have heard all these stories on shows like Air Disasters, but the simulation adds a whole new value - we see the plane relation to the terrain the whole time.
back in the day during durabilty tests...an orange-tailed B-52 lost about 80% of its vertical stab on camera and it still flew home but it wasnt fly by wire.
The A300 isn't fly by wire
I am so fascinated by this, your videos really make you feel like your in the plane watching what is happening around you.
I actually still remember when this broke the news, I was just a kid, sitting on the floor of my daycare provider's living room watching the news. The news program showed footage of a ship's crane lugging the tail out from the water, to this day that image is still burned in my memory.
Merry Xmas to you too
Excellent website. Great graphics, intercut with actual footage. Brief, factual, information. Thank you. (Subscribed)
Love your videos, short and right to the point
So many of these disasters seem to be caused by pilot's lack of training or improper training, very worrying :X
I will never forget hearing about that crash........how horrific.It was a take-off into eternity which could have been avoided.How very, very tragic and extremely sad.
Merry Christmas to and a Happy new year to you X-pilot :)
I love these little plane videos!
I remember this. My office had clients in the area, and my boss (RIP) spent the day checking on them. Thankfully, they were all okay, if a bit shaken.
Nice job including the extra information. Like: along with a dog in the cargo hold.
The good old days of XP. Best text, no voice over, just great editing.
What a concise and accurate depiction of this event...great job, X Pilot! :)
This was a sad day for me and family I had a close friend on this flight with his new born rip to everyone flight 587
My Deepest Condolences
I'm unemployed 5 years, no girlfriend, no savings then i read about your friend with a newborn. What i'm trying to say is no matter what standing in life you have whether successful or un succesful life is a bitch. Some people have amazing luck and others not at all or not so much. Imagine everything in your life going good and then you get on a plane like this. Rip to your friend.
@@borinakoune1803 Keep your head up friend. This is a tough world we live in so don't let it get you down. Good things are coming for you soon!
@@The_OneManCrowd No they're not.
@@borinakoune1803 I'm telling you man I've bern there before, and it sucks I get it. You just gotta change to a PMA and good things WILL happen!
One thing I've learned from these videos: always listen to the f/o's doubts. Except maybe don't let him yank on the controls.
I can’t stop binge watching these
Merry Christmas X-Pilot!
Nothing the pilot does a little too much should literally make a tail on a plane fly off. That’s absurd
The First Officer didn’t know any better, he was trained to react like that in wake turbulence.
Merry Christmas X Pilot and have a good one!
Watching this while on a plane taking off...for some reason it relaxes me...
I can only imagine what the passengers were going through knowing they were going to die.
Great videos! Merry X-Mas!
This video is EVERY to the THANG! You are incredible, and offering an important social service......Patreon = YES!
Merry Christmas X pilot!
X Pilot enjoy all the turkey, gravy, mash potatoes, and all sorts of other junk!
Wow, you never think of the vertical stabilizer falling off like a wing.
God i love this channel, thanks for sharing the great content.
Heard about this when I was a little kid. Lived in a neighborhood down the peninsula just a few minutes away. Planes flew above everyday and every kid was taught which sound to look out for because of this incident.
Wow….and New York already had enough of plane crashes at that time since 9/11 happened only 2 months prior to this
And then the hudson river incident a few years later
I lived in Manhattan during that whole period. We definitely thought, "Not this sh*t again" when it happened.
While Molin took the blame, in my opinion, at least part of it goes to Airbus for making a flimsy plane.
With all the computerization they're famous for, you'd think they would program the computer to not allow an overstress. Guess they missed that part........
Well.. I actually think AA has 90% of the blame.. how can you train your pilots like that, especially after Airbus warned them that those training practices were "a cause for concern"? Molin did what he was trained to do.. perhaps he shoul have realised that the use of the rudder wasn't helping in controlling the plane and so he should've stopped doing that, but in the heat of the moment I can understand he couldn't really think clearly. And for Airbus.. maybe they could have warned AA more specifically about the dangers of the rudder use.. but on the other hand: what's the use of warning someone who is deaf for warnings..
That's a good point. If AA had known the rudder was weak, they should have either gotten Airbus to beef it up (or modify the computer) a bit or trained their crews to be careful with it.
I don't understand why the rudder was being used to counteract wake turbulence in the first place, anytime I've encountered it, ailerons are much more effective.
This plane was a bit before all their fancy computerization seen on the a320
Very well could be.....I've never flown an Airbus to even studied them.
RR KNL I am no fan of the A320 SERIES, CONTINENTAL never ever had these, but UNITED has many of them, I can fly EWR - FFL, on a Boing, but ALWAYS COME BACK ON an. A320, so now I try to bum a ride on private to FLA EXEC Airport, just NOT fly on an aAirbus!
New content? It’s a Christmas miracle!
19 years ago today. So sorry for everyone on this flight and the families. May you keep resting in peace.
The part where the rudder flew off was horror-movie terrifying.
when this happened a lot of people thought terrorist attack being only weeks after 9/11 and the Anthrax letters.
Not to mention that crazy idiot and his young companion shooting people at random in the VA and DC areas.
@@williamblanchard7527 that was the following year
I can’t wait to flight similar 2020 comes out. This videos will be amazing
I like your videos. A very short lovely packaging of what is typically a 1 hour Air Crash Investigation series. I do remember seeing this one in detail on TV. If my memory serves me right, there were lots of questions around the Airbus electronic controls, with quite a few experts interviewed in the program, saying that it is not possible to manually work on the lever and break the tail, and that, automated responses from the fly-by-wire system would have had a lot to do with the crash.
No fly by wire in the A300
This was such a goddamn tragedy, and when it happened so shortly after the 9/11 attacks, I like many others thought terrorism might have been the cause.
I love how the graphics are getting better! Merry X-Mas to all!
robs. the animation ones are creddited and everyone uses them.
I know right, Mayor Giuliani and the first responders look so real !
Love the graphics, anyone else agree, there darn good, and no stupid music, and readable wording , great job!
EXCELLENT video!
When airlines come back I just know I'm going to regret having watched all these.
And all the pilots will be out of practice...
RIP
To the passengers and crew of American Airlines Flight 587 and to the five people on the ground
So eerie to see a photo of the plane right before this happened😳
Poor doggies. Thank you for mentioning them as well.
Rest In Piece to the 261 lives on board that plane.
So I survived 9/11 as a freshman at NYU - this crash was four days prior to my 19th birthday and my God do I remember the sheer unrelenting terror when I saw the first live feeds of another plane crash in the city. I felt certain "they" were back to finish us all off.
None of that would have happened if we didn't allow migrants from Islamic countries to come here. Before 1965 we saw none of this terrorism threat here..
@@weefishy9129 are you out of your mind? Please don't hijack my comment thread for your shitty ideological purposes. Also, you're wrong, see: Pearl Harbor, and about a dozen other pre-1970 attacks here. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States
Wee Fishy They weren’t migrating here you idiot they were here on student/tourist visas
I also survived 9/11. I wasn't in New York city that day, I mean, I was one state away, but I still survived and I'm still here to this day.
My dad would've been passing by the Towers on his way to work but because his building's parking lot closed early the night before he had to get a ride in with his cousin who always left for work at 9:30.
Had this not happened he'd have been passing by as the first plane hit and likely would've ran in to help as he was doing volunteer work with the NYPD at the time. He would've been among the First Responders and may not have made it out.
Merry Christmas to everyone and to you X-pilot !!! :)
I have seen this problem before. There is something about the onset of the wake turbulence encounter (even when it is expected) that causes some pilots to react with aggressive rudder inputs. In a small aircraft, you may not rip the tail off, but you sure could suffer a loss of control.
Can't imagine what was going through the people's minds during this disaster...
Metal and aluminum.
@@g.mckelvey1152 Aluminum is a metal...
I'm really tired of people who say they are really tired.......wake up then....it's not that hard!
I’m really tired of people who are really tired of people who say they’re really tired.
My family witnessed it and thought it was another attack, it was horrible to watch. We were next to the DR boarding gate, waiting for the Barbados flight to start boarding. It happened so far no one knew what was happening at the time, but all the gates closed up and we were scared to fly anywhere for months after
Captain should’ve listened to f/o when he was uncomfortable taking off that soon after the 747. The f/o shouldn’t have made those stupidly aggressive rudder inputs. Both pilots at fault
13 years of experience and States manages to react with inputs that stresses the rudder. Either that or maybe a little fault regarding timing on wake turblance dispersion or maybe mechanical but still if it was confirmed that the rudder damage was due to pilot error, I'm just blown with that much in knowledge and experience for something like that to happen
Captain States was not flying the plane. First Officer Mulin was.
Watching these videos a) make me wonder why I didn't know there are so many plane crashes and b) make me never want to fly again
The tail was like: "OK now I'm going losers"
the lame copilot literally broke the plane with his bad flying. who knew this was friggin even possible.
The co-pilot did not know so why didn't Airbus in form them? Airbus planes are NOT SAFE.
Mike M Airbus literally warned American Airlines about it. They didn’t listen. Literally
Airbus is looking like a failed EU experiment at this point. Those hidden joysticks are a really bad idea that they won't admit to. It's too bad because competition is a good thing. Airbus needs to rethink its ideas. No wonder Britain doesn't want to be part of that.
He didn’t know better.. That’s how he was trained to react in wake turbulence
it shouldnt have been possible, he was oblivious
Merry X-Mas, X-Pilot :D
You just got a new subscriber :D
kind of odd that the tail section wasn't designed to handle this kind of load. I know it is pushing it, but still these things should be built to handle the inputs that it can put out and well into that area of stress beyond, which would come with combined wake turbulence.
Can you make itavia 870?
this reminds me of Air France 447 where Pierre Bonin who was being trained kept the nose of the plane pointed upward and stalling the plane and on this flight F/O kept moving the foot pedals side to side so much that the stabilizer came apart.
Great video
THE POOR DOGS OMG
When a keyboard and mouse player uses analog sticks on a controller for the first time:
Best aircraft accident channel.
Happy Xmas boiiiii
Imagine that happened right next to your house!
RIP To the two engines btw one of them landing on a convenience store :/
I was taking a flight from Mobile, Al to NYC that same day. I was at the airport when it happened. EVERYONE thought it was another terrorist attack. It was only weeks since 911. But, they allowed the flight to go forward.
Unbelieveable. I've never even heard of this flight, and I was 27 years old at the time.
First time Ive heard of a dog dying from excessive tail wagging.
camoogoo that’s cold but funny
The passengers died probably thinking they were victims of a terrorist attack RIP
Da hype is Real and merry xmas
Love your videos, Delta 291 for the next one. We would appreciate that here at DFW.
The b747 departed at 9:11 CONSPIRACY THEORIES
That time occurs twice a day, every day, 365 days a year.