Up In Flames - Swissair Flight 111
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Swissair Flight 111 was a scheduled international passenger flight from New York City, United States, to Geneva, Switzerland. This flight was also a codeshare flight with Delta Air Lines. On 2 September 1998, the McDonnell Douglas MD-11 performing this flight, registration HB-IWF, crashed into the Atlantic Ocean southwest of Halifax International Airport at the entrance to St. Margarets Bay, Nova Scotia. The crash site was 8 kilometres (5.0 mi) from shore, roughly equidistant from the tiny fishing and tourist communities of Peggys Cove and Bayswater. All 229 passengers and crew aboard the MD-11 died - the highest death toll of any McDonnell Douglas MD-11 accident in aviation history
I was on 111 4 weeks before it happened. I wondered how many of those nice flight attendants I was talking to were on the doomed flight. It really bothered me for years.
Nowadays you could probably figure it out. I don't know if it's a good way to find it out .. moraly speaking
Wow, very sad
@@norwegiangangsta Better not knowing.
I was scheduled to work that day and called in
@@bc454irocz89 wait are u john? i worked at that airline on a different flight that day and my friend called in sick for this doomed flight, we lost touch after a while though.
Nothing is scarier than dozen sounds of controls failure before death.
Obviously pilots should remain as calm as possible during critical situations of any kind while flying. But really... those 2 took that cool attitude to a whole new level. They sounded like ordering coffee and a Schnitzel while declaring emergency. Great video, BTW.
Schnitzel? Swiss don't eat Schnitzel.
They do like most Germanic cultures. I'm German and we have Schnitzel, so do the Austrians and the Dutch. It's semi-universal here, like French Fries. But that wasn't my point in my first comment, lol.
Couldn't agree more!! So courageous and professional. This is the temperament I want MY plane's captain to have.Because they are wrapped up in solving the problem vs. being incapacitated by fear (like I would be). Sooo brave .😢
A friend of mine, who is a captain for a US carrier explained to me that they are usually so calm, because there isn't a doubt in their head they can land safely.
Seleuce which is stupid they should have landed as quickly as possible in this situation.
Man, this is so sad. The pilots sound so calm, really professional. I would be scared shitless if I was in that situation. An amazing crew and passengers were lost. RIP to their souls. These pilots were really brave and I hope they are at peace as well as everyone else.
a quick thinker with a fire extinguisher is what they needed.
@M.r. Moon Funny. I wrote my reply. It was detailed, and covered everything you just retorted.
However, my app I was using did something weird when I hit SEND, and my reply never registered so that I could see it... so I assumed it never went up, and didn't feel like rehashing.
Oddly, now I'm in the official YT app, and my reply is STILL amiss, despite the fact you obviously saw it.
Hmmmmm.
Anyway, though I can't see them, I stand by my words. They were food for thought in reply to your whimsical dismissiveness of the pilot's considerations or professionalism. He didn't get to his position by being a rank amateur like a lot of the condescendingly critical armchair pros in these comment forums.
Trust me when I say he gave the entire situation a LOT more thought than you did, given what little info he had to work with.
But go ahead and disparage the dead if that is what gives you your jollies. You can indeed comment whatever whimsy you like. It's your reputation, mate!
@M.r. Moon If that's so, then maybe you should work on not taking what some stranger says on the internet so personally.
But by all means, carry on as you are, "Bub". ;-)
@M.r. Moon I'm fine. You're getting all flustered though, and it's just not necessary.
Have a good night! :-D
@M.r. Moon Keep tellin yourself that buddy. It'll be okay.
This flight was of the many “rules written in blood,” sadly. Now pilots are instructed to find a place to land ASAP as soon as they detect any smoke, even if they think it’s minor.
That’s what I was wondering. Why didn’t they land sooner at Halifax? They may have survived.
@@BreakTime10101 They couldn't survive anyway even if they immediately tried to land .
@@BreakTime10101It would take 20 mins to reach to HAlifax while this happened with 6mins.....so there wouldnt have made it
@@mthulisimaya5118 Wow, ok, didn’t realize that. Thanks for the explanation.
My Mother almost went on that flight, she worked for Swissair. But the flight was full, so she took the one going to Zurich, Switzerland.
flx Your mother is extremely lucky. It is great that she didn’t go on that flight.
Miracles happen.
Oy
@@hillarybillary21 are you his mom?
MattGeoCrap yes
The insulation didn’t simply fail; it was discovered to be highly flammable, which the manufacturer denied until the TSB tests were released. It actually made the fire burn hotter and shortened the time the pilots had to get the plane on the ground.
The in-flight entertainment system was also very shoddily installed. One investigator said he couldn’t believe it was Swissair work.
Me Here non;; citizens
Well, probably the plane's interior was assembled somewhere in China. :-]
@@normanroscher7545 quit trolling
Fact: Insulation was made in China.
How the fuck do you make flammable insulation lmfao.
September 2nd 2018. It's been 20 years now that this disaster happened.
All my respect and condolences to the 229 victims families & friends. 😔😔😔🤚🤚🤚
These people knew for almost twenty minutes they were doomed. Haunting and sad thoughts come to me from thinking about that. I couldn't even imagine.
That's why i won't fly. I have a few times and i don't like the feeling. I have had numerous nightmares of being in a plane going down and it scared the crap out of me.
mixer14316 I know right! Imagine being f/o löw, knowing that fire is right behind you and knowing you have to fly the plane manually! So tragic for everyone.
Bob Kerbs, In 2008 I was in an incident on a UA flight...everyone believed we were crashing. I thought I had about 60 seconds to live. They called it "severe turbulence" on the news, but the plane dropped straight down and then went into a dive, screaming and heading towards the desert floor. Beverage cart went airborne, flight attendants were injured, and everyone on one side of the plane got soaked from flying drinks. Terrifying! I have no clue why I'm watching this video. My pulse is racing. Time to go find a puppy video or something. I still have the letter I got from United apologizing and offering a MEAL VOUCHER.
Sounds like a nightmare! I lived in the Chicago suburbs growing up and in 1979 I watched a jet go down over the tree line near Ohare , killing 279 people. An engine had come off the wing and it dove to the ground. I was a couple of miles away but could see it was in big trouble.
Bob Kerbs , oh Gosh! That was awful! And even more awful to see it going down. I noticed the recreation is on here somewhere. I seriously need to stay away from these things.
Both Captain and Co-pilot were so professional and cool-tempered during this emergency. These men were brave and courageous. Made me cry how brave they were. 😟😔
Scrolling down, I didn't realize that there are so many aviatic experts on a regular youtube section. This world amazes me everytime.
Self-styled, that is.
SwissMarksman My only remark would be the benefit of hindsight is an amazing thing we never have sadly 🇬🇧🇺🇸✈️👨✈️👩✈️🤦🏼♀️💗
I appreciate how respectful and purely informative these videos are done. No hype, just facts and re-creation.
Yep, and when you get away from all the sensationalism we usually see in these types of videos and immerse yourself in pure facts, they're actually more much compelling.
Being a retired jet pilot I remember this ill fated flight like it was yesterday. It was studied by all of us during
simulator training and the bottom line is where there's smoke there is fire. Yes the crew was calm and collective. Their major mistake was not landing immediately while consumed with weight of the aircraft.
They didn't KNOW, by the time the fire burst through the cockpit ceiling, it was 1025, that is when they declared the emergency, no other indications before that what the fire was doing other than smoke. At the detection of it, they couldn't have landed without losing more altitude, they's have put in into the ground under the best of conditions, and conditions aside from the smoke were far from idea. All this is foolish speculation, they should have landed, oh yeah, YOU Know, but two experienced pilots with thousands of hours did not...yeah sure.
Delta Ar Lines..What a mess you guys are. Northwest helped you even less...The G R E A T Delta Public Relations Machine has lost their way.....BAD MERGER
Yes, they should have landed immediatly
@@JRJunior8624 I'm NOT a pilot, I have only been in a plane 2 times in my life. But even I know more about flying a plane than some of these pilots. I know what happens when the pitot tubes are blocked, I know if you're at high altitude and your plane stalls to push the nose DOWN, not keep trying to push the plane up. I know what to do if your plane is leaning to the right or left and you can't control it...and much more. ALL from watching flight channels. I have watched some of the stupidest moves from Captains and First Officers, that it would be funny if it weren't so sad. So, no matter HOW many flight hours they may have...I know more than some of these "experienced" pilots.
@@danni1993 Oh wow why arent u a pilot with all ThEsE eXpErIeNcE with aircrafts already? You should definitely be hired with all YoUr KnOwLeDgE
This happened about 3 hours from where I live. Residents along the south coast of Nova Scotia reported hearing a loud boom. Search and rescue was sent out, but soon learned it would be a recovery mission only. It was a devastating blow to the first responders.
that was intense. gave me anxiety
Tell me about it, all those warning sirens didn't help
Right, can't imagine having to actually deal with that
It actually gave me stress just watching that bit. Gives me new appreciation for the stress pilots can go through though.
@@random_archivist the warning sirens and robot voices on this one were the creepiest of any crash video I've seen. Endless "ring ring ring - auto-pilot, ring ring ring - auto-pilot".
@CassetteSkullMan one of the slipknot band members
That was horrible to watch. I feel sorry for those that died.
The video relates what is taking place in the cockpit. BUT, can you imagine the panic and horror taking place among the passengers in a dark smoke filled cabin knowing they only had a few moments to live?
Precisely why I am glad they didn't have phone video capabilities back in the days of 9-11 on the upper floors of the WTC.
As far as I understand the smoke didn't get into the passenger cabin.
@Lord Brain What's your source for that information? I didn't find anything that would indicate it. All the reports of the official investigation talk about a fire in the back wall of the cockpit.
The terror is unimaginable. A horrible way to die being in that kind of fear.. makes me sad
It certainly did not. Read the reports or the book don't take it from me.
My grandparents were on this flight. First time I heard this. So sad! Miss then so much! Hope to make it out to Peggy’s Cove soon with their great grandchildren.
I was flying to Rome to pick up my father September 2nd 1998 I was three behind flight 111 I can see it in my headwaiting for it to departure when I got the wrong the next morning I read about it until this day is just something that will stick with me for the rest of my life I went to Peggy's cove a few years later I met one of the Swiss fathers who moved in there to be close to his daughter I saw the monument and the memorial it was quite moving.
So sad, as a young man I was in United Air flight from Washington to Zurich that night for business trip, it was a very disturbing and sad night for the passengers of 111 their families, for the crew and Swiss Air as well. It has been many years since this horrific accident still my deepest condolences to all families and love ones of SWISS AIR 111
The DC-10 nearly killed me twice in the mid to late 1970’s. Two separate flights, two different aircraft, several years apart. First one was a flight from Philadelpia to Las Vegas. Center engine exploded just before the aircraft took off. No injuries, just an inconvenience. The second one was a flight from Philadelphia to Detroit which continued on to Seattle. I got off in Detroit. The aircraft crashed after taking off for Seattle with no survivors. The DC-10 gained such a reputation that it was taken out of passenger service but continued to fly freight to this day as far as I know.
I wish it had.
What was the name of the flight that crashed?
Can't find anything about a DC-10 crashing after taking off from Detroit from Seattle...
That F/O had nerves of steel. I couldn't detect one hint of stress in his voice even though they were surely in serious trouble.
I live in Halifax, the memorial in Peggy's cove is quite sad.
Physer yeah I know... Well done too
WHAT DOES THE HEAVY MEAN
It means that an aircraft weighs 136 tonnes (300,000 pounds) or more.
Kazoo 2
Nancy Davis
I believe it means high fuel load, too heavy for normal landing.
As a former flight attendant I knew what it means if you smell something strange anywhere in the aircraft.
This puts all crews to the highest alert! Sadly they did not know it was the IFE´s main unit which caught fire, because everything was new and they were not familiar with it. Today, usually all IFE main units are equipped with automatic fire extinguishers and are part of the cabin´s fire fighting procedures.
Great job X Pilot. The audio recordings really bring this story to life.
I live on the East coast of St. Margarets Bay when this happened. The Bay is often under or next to 3 of the flyways to Europe, with many international flights passing near or even over my house so there is a great deal of airplane noise. Swissair was on a flyway just off the Atlantic Coast when the problem developed and they turned inland. The weather was low cloud and light rain at my house and over the Bay. I was working on my computer in my study on the Bay side of my house. For the fuel dump ATC turned. Swissair south down the middle of the Bay. I must have heard them go by, but because airplane noise is so common I didn’t notice this. While they were coming down the Bay, they lost all their instrumentation while they were in heavy cloud. The pilot lost his orientation and they crashed. I did hear and notice the crash, as did many people around the Bay though I didn’t know what it was then. I thought thunder??? But it didn’t sound quite right..more like stage thunder from shaking metal than real thunder. In fact, it sounded exactly like what it was, ie an airplane hitting water at a speed that made the water hard as concrete, and shattering. (Cont. next comment)
I find it truly amazing how "calm" their tone of voice seems, given what was happening in that cockpit. I suppose professionalism kicks in, but I thought especially towards the end there, their tone would be more erratic.
This video only goes to show you how quickly an emergency situation on a plane can deteriorate in a short period of time. It’s scary as hell, as the pilots don’t have too much time to make fast decisions and trying to solve an issue that could most likely kill both themselves and the passengers aboard. I salute the pilots for staying calm at least on the outside.
The Captain of this flight was a friend of a good friend of mine, and I meet him once just before he was leaving on a flight 😢
So sorry for your loss!
I’m confused. How was he a good friend of yours if you only met him once?
He said the pilot was a friend of a friend. Not his friend.
@@1Peasant ah gotcha, thanks
Very good video, thanks for sharing. The one thing not mentioned is it's believed that when Low was trying to fly the plane at the end, he likely could not see more than a few inches , and likely pressed his face (mask on) up close to the windshield, or side windshield as possible in an attempt to do so, which likely contributed to the bank angle. But who knows, we'll never know for sure.
I'll always wonder if the flight could have made it safely to a runway had the captain decided to NOT follow protocol and dump fuel first, and to just get the blasted airplane on the ground as soon as humanly possible - disregarding the possible over-weight landing problems. Spreading flames do not respect protocol and procedure.
Replace problems with high risks. The pilots did everything right when following the checklist, the nail in the coffin was switching off the AC. They didn’t even know where the fire was and how urgent a landing is, you simply don’t risk an overweight landing as it is quite dangerous
My shift as a Duty Officer started at 5am that morning. I proudly put on my uniform at around 3.30am, made some coffee, then switched on the TV news channel. As I sat there in my kitchen, wearing my SWISSAIR uniform, a sense of utter shock and then disbelief set in.
While at work that morning, I received telephone calls from relatives who were on board. Such a Tragedy. A day I will NEVER forget.
This happened near where I live in Nova Scotia. I remember where I was that night.
Just back from the pub down the street. Like the Titanic as well near here, another terrible travel event that happened off the coast of Nova Scotia. There is a beautiful monument out at
Peggy's Cove for them. Just down the road from the world famous Peggy's Cove lighthouse.
I saw the monument to Swiss Air 111 when I was visiting Peggy's Cove. I remember thinking how close that plane came to taking out the Cove and the lighthouse, a place of such stunning natural beauty....I had such a sick feeling looking out at the water. So many terrible disasters in Nova Scotia between the Halifax Explosion, dealing with the burials of the dead from the Titanic, and then dealing with recovering the dead from Swiss Air 111. So sad.
@@singtweetypie And the irony of the plane crashing there.
Saint Margaret's Bay is one of the most beautiful places in Nova Scotia.
From Hubbards to Bayswater the whole area is a destination.
And just a half hour drive from Halifax. The monument is an
overflow for Peggy's Cove. Any sunny weekend in summer its
crowded out there. And its a destination for the cruise ships
when they are here too. And now I feel the Spring coming.
@@singtweetypie They were too high and too heavy with fuel.
That is what one of the first responders said, when he got there
the first thing he noticed was the smell. Of the kerosene.
@@michaelrmurphy2734 I was happy that it was very peaceful while I was there - not filled with too many tourists. I am hoping for spring to come soon here in Ontario. Love your beautiful province and have been there a number of times. Hope to get back there one day.
@@michaelrmurphy2734 Apparently when command lost communication with the plane - it was found to be a tuning problem with the radio - not a breakdown of the equipment. If they had descended and dropped fuel faster they might have averted the disaster. Heartbreaking.
As he asked how many souls are on the plane i would shiffer down my spine because those souls soon be doomed.
229 souls and 3 gingers.
@Barrier Boy oh sorry thx i correct it asap.
First one of these that made me nervous almost sick to my stomach. Feeling the turns then having the lights go out as it does a slow dive into darkness. Must have been torture.
When F/O Low asked ...."should we skip fuel dump and land right now?" Capt Zim answered, ..."no, dump it" ...their fate was sealed. If you have to don face masks because of the amount of smoke in the cockpit, that is a serious situation, immediate danger. You land the aircraft quicker than ASAP. Airliners are designed to land with a full load of fuel in an emergency, so dumping fuel is recommended but not required if it is a dire emergency. In an aircraft fire every SECOND counts.
MegaSunspark agreed. I’d have skipped it. Just land the darn plane.
So this plane is still jammed FULL of jet fuel. The plane us ON FIRE, and some of you want all that fuel igniting should the plane crash on the runway? The PILOT was correct. That fuel needed to go save enough just to touch down. These poor souls just ran out of time, thats all. Tragic.
@@bennyh4950the fact disagree with your opinion. when a bird is on fire, you get it on the ground ASAP period
@@shinskoala7072 The flight may have been saved if they landed just below them , at Shearwater .
Had two co-workers on that flight. Thanks for posting.
Well, at least the office coffee pot lasted a little longer the next day.
@@Sphere723 shutup
@@Sphere723 cnt
@@Sphere723 fuck off
@@quaxky326 Nothing wrong with finding a silver lining bro.
It's unsettling to hear the voices of the pilots knowing that they would be dead soon. RIP passengers and crew of Swissair 111.
When they first smell the smoke, turn the plane back immediately, and asking for clearance later. Fire can spread too quick before you even notice.
Yeah, I was a little surprised that they put off landing to dump fuel. Were they over the max landing weight? If not, if I see and smell smoke, I'm trying to put this bird on the ground as fast as fucking possible. Seconds matter when you have a fire mid air. Not trying to armchair critique the pilots, but I found that surprising.
I would be thinking there's a fire burning behind me somewhere so we need this plane on the ground. He got a runway and got nonchalant about his emergency and worried about the perfect, instead of the emergency. As they told us at work when emergencies came along, ''quick and dirty is fine in this instance''. He would have still had some control of his plane at that time.
They were extremely overweight...did you not even watch the video? If they tried landing being that overweight they would have crashed...it was a no win situation..
They did turn around quickly but wanted to go to Boston which was much farther then Halifax should of lowered as fast as possible to Halifax who cares about the weight however once landed when they open the doors it probably would have engulfed the entire Plane in seconds.
@@FuttBuckerson They had just taken off on a 9 hour flight, so way over max landing weight. Landing at the higher weight means greater chance of blowing tires on landing and less stability (greater chance of runway departure) and higher landing speeds (greater chance of an overrun).
Was once traveling on a Lear. Fuel began leaking from the wing shortly after takeoff. Another person in our group with flight experience told the pilot to “put it down NOW!” As we descended for landing there were fire trucks a plenty, hoses with foam, men in hazmat suits, etc. I’d been a little anxious before that, but as we descended the pressure on the wing stopped the leak so I was fairly calm ... even joked thinking all the fire equipment was a bit of overkill. Thankfully, I didn’t understand that this particular plane couldn’t dump fuel, so we were landing with close to full. Pilot said one spark in the “right place” on landing & the plane would’ve gone up in flames. Thank God I wasn’t aware of that til after we landed. Can’t begin to imagine what these poor people went through knowing their fate.
Goodness what a tragedy. Thank you for doing so well on collecting the information on these crashes and making these videos. Unfortunately I have to stop watching these as I am a constant traveler who also has flying anxiety.. it's going to ruin me.
I cant help watching these and i am flying in two days
They are more addictive than peanuts.
David Mehnert a bit late, but I survived
The Platinum Takeoff did you survive?
I hope he did!!!
IF you have ever seen a ''Final Destination'' movies, just go with confidence your assigned fate is not that day. It's not as if you can stomp you foot to put on the brakes from where you will be sitting.
They were in the air a long time after the fire started.
15-20 mins i think...this disaster haunts me...
Adolf Galand Are you fucking stupid, or just a complete idiot?
Another great X Pilot video of another haunting / horrific incident.
You can't help but reflect upon the fact that less than a month before Flight 111 crashed, HB-IWF had its bus-tie sensing relay replaced because of a fire that had occurred in Bangkok on August 3rd, 1998. Swissair maintenance ordered the replacement of all MD-11 bus-tie relays that very next day.
The technician installing the new relay in HB-IWF made an error, and when it was powered up, it shorted out. A short in Kapton wiring is SERIOUS. Faults can be induced both upstream and downstream in wiring bundles and components. You have to wonder just how extensively the associated wiring was checked out after the short circuit. It's difficult to be persuaded that the installation fault was simply rectified and all was then guaranteed to be as new.
I saw this plane moments before the crash. My brother, myself and my cousin. We were having a few beers on my front lawn and we took note of a plane that had just flown over us was going back out to sea. Of course at the time we had no idea what the significance was. Later we learned about the crash and found out it was going to dump fuel because it was too heavy to land.
Pretty wild, man.
A airliner is never to heavy to land!!! If they land with overweight they hav to go into a A check, is simle as that.
@@ppanzer7243 I'm only telling you what Swissair 111 did. They had to dump some fuel because they were going to land "heavy". It wasn't actually too heavy to land, it just went back out to sea to dump the excess fuel as a safety precaution. They had that much fuel left because Halifax wasn't it's planned destination.
@@ppanzer7243 I should have clarified but I thought people would understand what I meant.
@@Del-Canada No problem at all, it's not against your comment. But remeber, a plane is never to heavy to land!! Read the MD-11 manual in the chapter of emergency cases. Beleive me, I know very well what I'm talking about.
These are very cool videos. Disturbing at times, but very cool.
Thank you for this video! I've seen the memorial just outside of Peggy's Cove! I'd stare out into the vast ocean and wonder about the horrible night! I had little idea the plane was attempting to land in Halifax! They were very close! Such a sad outcome. I remember one of the search teams say they found clothes and shoes of a girl likely around 6-7 years old being washed up on shore!
They could have put it down at Shearwater Air Field , they should have known about it , it was right there .
i live in Halifax. Remember it well. I was at home painting some baseboard when I saw the news on a tv in my room. A map of this area. No sound on the tv. Could hardly believe it. One of my brothers and his wife heard a thump that moved one of their gates at their house. They were living in a suburb not that far from the crash.
If I was the pilot I wouldn't bother asking ATC for permission to descend or to dump fuel, I'd just DO it and head straight for Halifax.
Seems odd that they couldn't dump fuel at 10 thousand feet in an emergency situation.
Yes, we also hear about some airliners having to circle for hours to burn off fuel in emergencies, so I assume some airliners can dump fuel at the flick of a switch and some cant. Maybe ALL airliners should have a dump switch.
Once he declares an emergency, that is his right, he can do whatever he must and wants to get that plane on the ground. I don't know why this was ignored in the TSB Report. The pilot who wrote Swissair Down said that, the controller must have known that, and nothing was done, yet the TSB said he performed his duties fine. I don't get it.
@@crimony3054 I know right? If you dump liquid from 10k feet it'll be a mist by the time it hits the ground and spread out over who knows how many miles. Asking permission cost them their life. JUST DUMP IT.
I flew Swiss Air into JFK on the inbound to NYC that day. Flt 111 was the turn around. The same plane was used on both legs. The video system was not working properly on the inbound. Likely the problem had already started.
I've watched this several times, read every comment and the perspective I came up with is pretty simple. Once the flight attendant came back with smoke too, then the decision would've been made immediately. Drop down, and head for Halifax without fuel dump. When there is smoke, if the fire is not crackling, its a great chance to be at any moment. It is the pilots duty to break a problem down, quickly, with the passengers and people in the ground 1 and 1a. priorities. Fire on a plane in flight is probably as bad as it can get, and nonchalance cannot be tolorated. The Co.Pilot should've took control after the fuel dump situation was selected. Time was of the essence, Espescially since they didn't know where the smokecwas coming from, and the oxygen masked deployed. Its that simple!
I hope pilots get to see these situations in training and discuss every scenario so the decisions come naturally. These exercises save lives.
Halifax ?? Shearwater was right below them and best prepared for an emergency . Why did they not know that ? I hope pilots now flying this route ,know of every emergency airfield , available to them.
These are amazing! Very haunting, addictive
I had read or seen where the plastic in the framework in the cockpit was melting from the intense fire and dripping on the pilots. How awful it must’ve been for all of them - crew and passengers.😓
The pilot was probably still chilled AF, describing altitudes while the cockpit was melting... smh
@@AvyScottandFlower if i were the pilot on that plane, everyone on board would be going swimming, because i would be ditching that son of a bitch in the atlantic ocean
fuck burning to death
@@mwbgaming28 You have the benefit of hindsight. If the pilots had known at the time how perilous their situation was, I'm sure they would have ditched immediately.
However, if "Captain MWB Gaming" immediately ditched every time there was a strange smell and hints of smoke in the cockpit, he wouldn't be a very popular captain.
@@TheLesserWeevil i would only consider ditching or an off field landing if the fire is uncontained and im more than 15 minutes away from an airport, if the passengers and cabin crew would die from smoke inhalation before landing, if the fire is spreading fast enough to warrant an off field landing or if the cockpit is so full of smoke that i won't be able to see the runway
i would however, reduce altitude to prepare for a ditching or off field landing while on the way to the airport
unless i have the runway in sight or im over a forest or populated area.etc
when the instruments start failing, i land the plane there and then, be it on a highway, a military airfield, a paddock or a body of water, that plane is going earthward while it is still controllable
this sounds stupid, but could they put the fire out by flying lower and opening the outside doors so all the air escapes or soemthing? i know crazy but jsut a thought
The pilots had no idea just how bad the situation was.
Until it was.
They simply ran out of time.
Even if they had gone directly to Halifax, it's likely they would not have made it.
The co-pilot had to feel around for the controls to try setting new vectors because Pilot Zimmermann had passed out; and the co-pilot couldn't see the buttons/switches through the smoke...he didn't even know that they'd passed up Halifax Airport.
@@4wheelerDJ They couldn't land at Halifax anyway. They would have clattered into the runway from that height. They could have descended quicker but they had to follow protocols in the moment
if they went to halifax the moment they smelld the smoke, no fuel dump, theyd b alive.
A good friend of mine, working on the accident investigation, was tasked to fly a Challenger jet in the same kind of “lights out” situation in the accident zone. As I remember it, he said that the pilots were in an “impossible situation”.
Very Horrible those poor souls , RIP !!! It also amazes me how the flight crew maintains professionalism right to the end .
Yikes, that autopilot warbler. So iconic.
That was really quite cool, if you're gonna do more then i'd suggest adding a black outline to the text for readability against all backgrounds. And maybe color variations for different voices?
that turned out to be a very good suggestion!
Rackasheep Absolute Hero!
Cool? The deaths of innocents? Where do you assholes come from?
@@XPilotYT hey x pilot can you upload a video of saudia flight 163 the plane that burst into flames and was consumed by fire.
these are amazing and scary. very good job including the comms
I love your videos. I hate how facebook pays to have ads on your amazing videos. That money should go to you.
Was 50 miles away @ the beach watching huge waves that morning...totally unaware
The good news here folks is that we keep talking about decades old crashes because these things happen so incredibly rarely today.
Bo McGillacutty Shhh. 😂🤞🏻
Last time an Il-76 crashed killing 257 on board on 11 april 2018 and also lion air 610 on 29 october of the same year.
@@sinhaprabhat9938 How many people travelled by plane in the year 2018? Compare that to the fatalities.
really ?u think so? maybe u can try finding the missing ariliners that dissapeared recently.....like they cant even find them let alone know what went wrong. the thing is what u dont realise things will always go wrong bec humans keep adding things.....instead of keep airplanes simple and safe they add things on it...
Unfortunately not rarely enough after the recent Boeing fiasco
I haven't read many of the comments. Hopefully someone has already mentioned that there should NEVER be any smoke coming from an air vent EVER. Not even a trace amount is normal.
Thats amazing that someone caught the exact moment of impact!!! What timing
Was it real footage?
With any suspected fire you call Mayday and land immediately. They underestimated the risk.
When they called Pam Pam Pam which is one step below mayday there was only smoke in the cockpit which they were about 90 nautical miles from Boston They were closer to Halifax they still were over the North Atlantic and any emergency landing would of ended up in the Ocean. When they also called Pam Pam Pam they did not know there was a fire because it was in an area that no one could see in the overhead panels along the aft of the aircraft the fire originally went towards the tail of the plane until they shut the ventilation system off and the power to the cabin allowing the fire to spread rapidly towards the cockpit also knocking out crucial flight controls of the plane
@@sooners2037 pan pan pan.
Michael S ee
Doomed by an "Entertainment System". I remember this incident somehow. Seeing how it went down is just pitiful though.. Even if you're Swiss, you shouldn't be chill in this situation.
Great video.
I cannot believe that this has been twenty years since this flight crashed just off of Peggy's Cove in Halifax Nova Scotia Canada. RIP to all of the people who were on that plane
"Excuse me sir, if it is not too much trouble we would like to be next to land, and how are you how is your day going?" "Uh why is that SwissAir 111?" "BECAUSE MY FRIGGIN' LEGS ARE ON FIRE!"
Ugh. This is the worst kind. Fire spreading throughout the aircraft. Nothing like dying in a fire before even crashing the plane.
Actually the passenegers didn't die in the fire, according to the final report. It seems fire didn't spread to the cabin.
Kind of funny reading about this now.
Flying out of Pearson in Toronto while I was in highschool, heading to London. All the inflight entertainment systems were bugging out, right when we were crossing Newfoundland and heading for open water, they turned us back.
Quite a wild landing back in Toronto. Turns out the entertainment system fuses had started a "small" fire. Nobody seemed to care in the moment, but very surreal looking back on the memory how lucky we all were.
Your videos are very good.
People's on-flight entertainment cost them their lives.... Very Eerie
I'm no pilot (though I would like to have been) but those alarms are not helping at that point when pilots are fighting for life. They have the effect of making Heart rate and respiration increase and I believe, cause an adrenaline dump. I further believe this leads to confusion in that chaotic environment. Maybe if they could manually or automatically switch to a visual alarm after the initial audible?
My grandfather’s best friend was due to get on this flight, but missed it by a few minutes. When he heard what happened a few hours later he was completely horrorstruck and to this day has refused to get on a flight anywhere (i’m assuming he got a boat across the atlantic then the train to lausanne)
Ohhh wow that was sad to hear. And they were so calm trying to keep the plane under control real heroes. RIP
I'm glad I don't need to fly anywhere. The last time I flew was 4 days after 911.
Again, if you are on fire put the plane down. Water landing, crash landing, whatever. Flying while on fire is a completely doomed and untenable situation.
A water landing is pretty much the same thing as death. Pilots don't practice landing in water. If they were lucky enough to hit the water level, the engines would rip off and flip the plane in the process. No good scenario....
@Jesus Christ weight is never an advantage in an airplane crisis. Not even in that context.
@@1SqueakyWheel
I think the pilots training ultimately blindsided them. They are taught to be calm and rational but in this situation they actually needed panic to think about landing asap and not dump fuel.
I remember this I was visiting my hometown of edgartown massachusetts when this happened.
There were many important people on board this flight.
There were 229 important people on this flight
thanks paul.
20 years of this accident :(
RIP all 229 people on board :(
“One of the safest planes you can fly on”
*crashes*
I feel really bad for them and that classification
It WAS. But they just had to fix what wasn't broken. And broke it.
Tragic situation.... over an entertainment system retrofit. :-(
September 2 - Nineteen years ago today. Rest in peace.
Sir Tristen - Do you remember when this happened?
They really did sound so calm and in control! Only in the last 30 seconds or so do you hear the tenseness in the co-pilot's voice. I, on the other hand, would have keyed the mic and screamed "THE GODDAMN PLANE IS ON FIRE!!!"
Very nice series of graphics videos.
So if they took the situation more seriously and decended and landed heavy, maybe different outcome? Smoke means fire. Lots of smoke means big fire is right around the corner... Only takes a minute for a small fire to start raging. They should have landed immediately. And they should have had every fire extinguisher on that plane up front before the fire broke out! They seemed pretty calm about the whole thing... RIP
You have no frigging idea what they were going through, and what the cabin crew was doing, clearing away food utensils, preparing the passengers, working in the dark with flashlights because the power was cut as Zimmerman rotated the smoke selector switch. They should have done this, they should have done that...what are you transportation safety board and an experienced jumbo jet pilot?
@@JRJunior8624 There's an old saying you fool... "Where there's smoke, there's fire." Because there was a friggin fire that was raging in that plane. Should have acted with more haste. The situation was much more serious.
This is really nice. I would only suggest adding time stamps or perhaps a timer to show time passage, but otherwise I thoroughly enjoyed this recreation. Keep making these.
MrJPolito nice? Recreation??
I think nice = well done and recreation = reenactment.
Enjoyed ? Wtf
I was supposed to be on the flight before this but my connecting flight from Newark was delayed so I was re-seated for this one.
For all new Pilots...Call the emergency and land immediately. Better safe than sorry especially if you smell smoke in the cockpit. I believe back in the day when this SwissAir 111 was when people could smoke in the aircraft. Remember If you smell smoke LAND and be ready for an emergency landing on terrain.
Always assume the worst.... get the F/O to read the checklist and do what make sense to you. You are the captain.
Safe flying.
Clearly, they should have declared a Mayday and started dumping fuel without regard to rules. They should have gone direct to Halifax and attempted a soft landing on runway 06. The Captain made bad decisions resulting in the loss on the aircraft and all souls onboard. Sad.
Alright President Trump.
Easy to say in hindsight.... They had no idea what the hell was actually going on.
@@Tadesan Asshole! Mike Clark is allright.
This is crazy....you smell smoke and you take your time dumping fuel, I would much rather risk breaking up on landing than dying for sure.
Same
Great job recreating this tragic event. Is that the Overland MD-11 ported for X Plane 11?
These videos are making me anxiety ridden.
The thing is,the MD-11 didn't cause the crash.The entertainment system did.
but the md11 and dc10 ended up with a horrible safety record...
The DC-10 was almost ALWAYS brought down by faulty maintenince
That is true
If you compare them to early 747 models you can see they have a decent safety record.
Sir Tristen Not really.
Rest In Peace Glen and Charlotte Plumleigh. ❤️
In the final crash report, it is noted that even if the crew had began an emergency descent at the moment they discovered smoke, the aircraft wouldn't have made it. It was 66nm from the airport at that time and even without dumping fuel, either the aircraft would have been over the airport with too much altitude and airspeed to land, or would have had to execute manoeuvres to slow itself and lose height for the approach. Based on the time between the first indication of trouble and the multiple failure of systems that made the aircraft uncontrollable, these failures would have occurred before the aircraft would have been able to land, and even if it had, it would not have been able to stop on the runway.
Oh no!! Such tragic! Much sad! Very cry!
If the recirculating fans had not been cut off, the fire would have been kept back for a while, giving them more time to reach Halifax.. But investigators' final determination was that it still would have made no difference in the outcome. Hindsight, guess they should have listened to ATC and commenced descending upon suggestion, dumping the f'ing fuel along the way. Where was their sense of urgency?
AFAIK in terms of time "winning" it didn't really matter if they dumped the fuel or not. They were doomed anyway.
I can't fault them for turning off the electrical power /recirc fans. I would have done the same. But, yes, don't wait to dump fuel and get that jet on the ground ASAP, overweight or not.
Lady's n gentleman the plane is on fire, but don't worry if you look out the window the crew has parachuted to safety.
Excellent content and 3D animation of this horrific event!! R.I.P. to all the victims.
The conclusion drawn right at the end however, seems to postulate a direct connection between the tragic crash of flight SR111 and the huge catastrophe of Swissair having to declare bankruptcy in October 2001. The latter was an event far more complex in its making and the way it eventually unfolded during the final days and hours was, to say the least, more than bizarre. The bankruptcy of this once magnificent and proud Airline that set standards to international air travel, coupled with the almost overnight disappearance of Swissair, understandably caused a sort of "national trauma" to the Swiss People. I for one was very sad to see it gone...
Swiss International Airlines, the airline that made Swissair "rise from the ashes" to take to the skies again, and which continues the high standards of safety and service set by its predecessor, can only be congratulated for what has been achieved since those humble beginnings in April 2002. No wonder when flying with them, people tend to still say: "I am travelling on Swissair!" 🇨🇭✈️🇨🇭
On the question of whether they could have landed safely if they went directly to the airport, I had cause to fly to Ottawa and back a week or so after the crash. On the way back we descended across the top of St. Margarets Bay on the path Swissair would have taken if ATC had turned them toward the airport instead of back over the Bay. I have a timer on my watch, and I knew the time when Swissair crashed. I turned on my watch and noted the time until we touched down on the runway. We had just touched down and were rolling down the runway decelerating when we reached the moment when Swissair crashed. However our plane was moving much more slowly than Swissair was, since they had to decelerate from international travel speed. The opportunity to slow down was another reason that the pilots chose to go over the Bay and dump fuel. My conclusion was that they could reach the airport if they went there directly, but would have been going too fast when they landed, and would shoot off the end of the runway, crash, and cause a forest fire, since the airport is in the middle of a forest, and the trees were very dry. The thick clouds also contributed to the disorientation of the pilot that produced the crash. On a clear night the airport is visible from St. Margarets Bay, and the pilots could have seen lights along the coast, so they could have maintained their orientation and flown toward the airport by eye, even though they had lost ATC. Also, if they hadn’t been over water, they could have crashed on land and killed people on the ground ... either those of us around the Bay, or the city of Bedford which is under the flight path they would have been turned onto if they asked to go to the airport instead of over the Bay. Hope these comments are of some interest.
Are you talking about them landing at Shearwater ?