Pilot vs Plane - Air France Flight 447
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Air France Flight 447 (AF447/AFR447)[a] was a scheduled passenger flight from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil to Paris, France.
The aircraft involved was an Airbus A330-203, with manufacturer serial number 660, registered as F-GZCP. This airliner's first flight was on 25 February 2005, and it was Air France's newest A330 at the time of the crash.[144][145] The aircraft was powered by two General Electric CF6-80E1A3 engines with a maximum thrust of 68,530/60,400 lb (take-off/max continuous)[146] giving it a cruise speed range of Mach 0.82-0.86 (871-913 km/h, 470-493 knots, 540-566 mph), at 35,000 ft (10.7 km altitude) and a range of 12,500 km (6750 nmi, 7760 statute miles).
What Bonin did is the equivalent of meaning to stop your car but instead stomping on the gas for 4 minutes while yelling "I don't understand" then driving straight into a brick wall
Hi literally believed the plane was going to magically climb because he pulled back the stick during a stall.
The warning could've been false because of the blocked pitot tubes. I think that's what caused the confusion
But why climb in the first place. They only lost speed readings, it makes no sense that he would try to climb ever.
David This so much... Clearly altimeter was still working and the stall warning coupled with a descent rate of 10.000ft per minute should have been enough to notice what was going on. The FO was so incredibly retarded and confused it's unbelievable.
So instead of just taking at face value that the air speed was faulty, he assumed the air speed, artificial horizon, AND altimeter had all failed...and he figured, hmmm PULL UP AND DON'T STOP PULLING UP!
"They agree they are descending."
As the plane plummets at 10000ft a minute lol
I know right? I don't understand how you don't feel that the plane is falling at almost 200km/h
it was a no brainer to fly into that storm, not that I am a pilot . do you think the older type Boeing control yoke is less likely to be moved in the way pilot roberts has done ? , by pulling up in to a stall , maybe unaware .
kenjryker Stop copy pasting replies
so that would mean only one person is flying of the plane makes sense .
kenjryker If you've ever flown on a plane in your life, you'd know that you can feel even the SLIGHTEST decent. But to descend over 10k ft a minute, that'll feel like hell. They could totally have felt that.
Watching this video, I can't help but think a better result would have been obtained if one of the other pilots had knocked Bonin senseless with something heavy.
Yep, it was so incredible, that at least they didn't start cursing at him and just hauled him out of there.
Ironically, they guy with the hammer from the Fedex plane could have helped in this situation.
Yeah it's unbelievable to see the french this polite in this situation, I'd expected some hot blood and Bonin's head blasted along the way. I just remember Buzz Aldrin smacking down the guy who was harrassing him a few years ago, you need that level of control and determination, at the end of the day you can wipe your ass with polite words and incompetence.
Well the others didn't do much either. The captain didn't stop Bonin, Bonin was a retard, and Robert didn't do anything to stop Bonin. They're all dumdums
That would be genious! Or he was already stiff...
STALL STALL "nobody mentioning the word stall"
GENIUS.
Yep, rapid sinkrate + nose up on the artificial horizon = stall
My sentiments exactly!!!
I think that there's an error in this video. When the horizontal speed is too low the indicator inputs an error and the stall warning stops sounding. I may be wrong but this may have helped the confusion of the captain
I was wondering if for whatever reason the stall chime wasn’t sounding. You would think that 3 men with tens of thousands of flight hours between them would know what a stall is :/
They knew he just didn't believe it because of the pitot tube reading being wrong
This one...this one just baffles me. Straight human error got everyone killed.
And not even complicated human error. Straight up idiot human error. Why did he ever climb?
What they didn't say in the video that was a big factor is the route they chose. They essentially decided to thread inbetween two dangerous storm systems and didn't make it, so he was trying to climb above the weather.
You guys don’t read well, the speed readers on the outside of the plane failed when they were iced over.
Can someone explain what they should have done in this situation?
Smash Er before they entered the storm they decided not to climb above it, due to some wrong predictions about the air temperature. He absolutely should not have tried to do that when he was already in the storm.
The fact that the last words recorded here are Bonin's STILL wondering what's happening is just soul-crushing.
STALL STALL
'hmm let me pull the stick back maybe climbing will stop the stall'
-F/O Bonin logic
CommentSenseii your picture and comment go perfectly together.
Truth Army are you implying they were shot down? That’s literally the most illogical theory to this crash.
The stall warning deactivates by design when the angle of attack (nose upward) measurements are considered invalid, and this is the case when the airspeed drops below a certain limit. In consequence, the stall warning came on whenever the pilot pushed forward on the stick and then stopped when he pulled back; this happened several times during the stall and this may have confused the pilots.
- Third interim report, BEA, 2011
Can someone explain to me what they should have done in this stall?
Jeff T Push the nose down to gain airspeed and control of the aircraft. Pushing the nose up is the one thing you absolutely do not do in a stall because no Bonin, you do not magically start climbing by pushing the nose up.
"What the hell are you doing?"
Good question, captain.
William Fitzpatrick yes, considering that he was the one who screwed up in the first place, by putting the plane in the middle of a storm and then letting the least experienced pilot to fly. Bonin was wrong, but Dubois was even more wrong.
JELH Not even close. He shouldn't need fucking babysat. He was a goddamn First Officer.
"but i've had the stick back the whole time" *Forehead Slap*
Lucas Silva The last three seconds of "Facepalm"
Lucas 008 *FACEPALM CONFIRMED*
Roll scene from “Airplane!”
Ocean slap.
@@astrafalustre8259 yeah ocean slapped him in the cheek for his stupidity...
Tragic and totally avoidable.
NJDEVILS1214 Totally agree with you!!
BewareTheldes Hey, maybe if you spam that same fucking comment in a dozen more threads, you'll start to get your point across. Seriously, just shut the fuck up already.
If Captain Dubois was in the cockpit nothing would happen
@@bobalobalie - It's occurred in Boeings as well
@@bobalobalie - I was not referring to the Max that is your assumption I was referring to the Elmendorf C-17 crash and although not Boeings both Colgan Air 3407 and West Caribbean 708 only crashed as a result of undiagnosed blatant stalls with the Colgan capt even going as far as overriding the stick pusher
*"But I've had the stick back the whole time!"* Sure must have sucked to say that out loud.
He confirmed to the others that he was a total idiot.
I don't understand! I've got the stick pulled all the way back and the stall alarm keeps sounding but we're not magically rising! I'm stumped. How could 3 pilots not put two and two together? Amazing.
I know...
MustBeNoodly yeah, I never understood the wisdom of allowing dual inputs that it averages out with the computer saying "hey jackasses, you are both giving entirely different inputs, what the hell?" In this case it would have been much better to have hardware connected yolks so that when one moves so does the other. That way the other pilot would have known what the rookie was doing.
spackle9999 the crew should push the joystick down so the aircraft gain speed to pull up
emiliana khoe That's called stall recovery, but they didn't know that (apparently)
Ziggmanster yeah the aircraft's pitote tubes were frozen due to weather .. ..that's the reason they were getting false indications
imagine if you lost someone on this flight and then have to watch this video, i would go insane
*stall warning goes off* *pitches up* *speed going down* "I don't understand what's happening"
BewareTheldes Hey, maybe if you spam that same fucking comment in a dozen more threads, you'll start to get your point across. Seriously, just shut the fuck up already.
actually it was mostly pilot error
@@bobalobalie I think the Lion Air crash made your argument invalid ;)
BewareTheIdes :😂 that was fabulous response to tjbtech. Thank you for the laugh.
@@bobalobalie I wonder how come there are more fatal accidents related to stall with Boeing then Airbus then? "Stall...Stall...Stall" for 75 times and for 4 minutes after Bonin took a control of the plane and pitched the nose up gaining 7000 feet/min in altituted.
Its fundamental issue with understanding how plane and aerodynamics work. By both pilots actually. Robert told Bonin to watch out and gain some speed, which he did for 20s after which plane started to stabilize, but retard pulled joystick back again and caused another stall.
100% human error.
From the Wikipedia article: "the stall warning came on whenever the pilot pushed forward on the stick and then stopped when he pulled back; This happened several times during the stall and this may have confused the pilots" and "the misleading stopping and starting of the stall warning alarm, contradicting the actual state of the aircraft, greatly contributed to the crew's difficulty in analyzing the situation".
Yes im sure Bonin knew how to fly the plane. The crew were confused by the sudden switch off of the autopilot and false instrument readings. Could the plane not have communicated to them better rather than just beeping a stall warning?
Oh, so Bonin wasn’t dumb? Okay. I get it now...
This could definitely add to the confusion. Your speed is so slow that the "stall" warning goes away. You push forward to regain speed and flying capability ...and.. the Airbus starts telling you you're in a stall again. Great logic Airbus. That said, FLY THE JET... Ignore the aural warnings and pitch that bitch over and try to get her flying again. RELEASE the back pressure. Of course, your airspeed was just lying to you a few moments ago, adding to the confusion.
THAT was the confusion. We don't need to trash Bonin in the comments so hard
"Surely we're not crashing!"
"We *are* crashing... and don't call me Shirley"
don't quit your day job, partner. You're better at flipping burgers anyway.
Oh no, the ocean!
What is it?
It's this giant body of water that covers two-thirds of the Earth's surface, but that's not important right now. We're about to crash into it!
Bonin thought he was flying a rocket
this made me laugh, thank you
Underrated comment 😂😂🤣
Lmao
“We still got engines I don’t understand”
Too bad they didn’t have like 8 more of them
“We’re about to crash...I can’t believe this is happening!”
“But what’s happening?”
Jesus Christ Bonin
@A Frustrated Gamer no shit man, I set up this scenario in FSX and had my 12yo brother (who has only ever flown in GTA 5, so I did tell him how all the controls and instruments work) play it, and he worked out what was happening and recovered with around 7000ft of altitude remaining, I also let my dad (pushing 60 and with minimal flight SIM experience) have a shot, and he did it with 20,000ft remaining, and when I did it (private pilot with IR) i lost around 8000ft of altitude before i was in straight and level flight, and i didn't exceed the 2.5G airframe rating
Flying isn't that hard, even when you can only see instruments
MWB Gaming 😂😂😂 gotta love kids who think FSX gives a realistic simulation. What a muppet.
@@peteconrad2077 it's close enough for those who don't have thousands of dollars to use a proper training simulator
A Frustrated Gamer nonsense. They certify they are authentic in that the bottoms are in the right place. To run an accurate performance module takes computing power way beyond a home system. A typical sim has 30 processing racks and 40-60 fibre connections.
To claim that your pc system produces an accurate replication of aircraft post stall behaviour (which most professional sims don’t yet do) is ridiculous.
@@peteconrad2077 it's accurate enough for casual gaming FFS, it's not like I'm trying to train people how to fly
The plane sank to the ocean floor and wasn’t found for nearly two years and at a cost more than $25 million.
The descent lasted three minutes and 30 seconds.
No other passenger jet in modern history,up to that point, had disappeared so completely - without a Mayday call or a witness or even a trace on radar.
"up to that point" guessing MH370?
tempodude This was is 2009, so it was before mh370
Autopilot: "Hey mate, can you fly the plane for a minute?"
F/O Bonin: "Sure no worries."
*Crashes into ocean*
Autopilot: "Dude, seriously?..."
You had one job!!!
*STALL!!! STALL!!!*
- I don't understand the problem..
*STALL!!! STALL!!!*
- What's happening?
*STALL!!! STALL!!!*
- Are we climbing or descending??
*STALL!!! STALL!!!*
some say that Bonin is still holding the sidestick to this day.
And he still has no idea what’s happening
Bonin's First law of motion:
Increasing the ascending rate of an object will increase its speed, therefore accelerating quicker and also stopping any stalls.
Bonin's second law of motion:
Oh wait he didn't make a second one because his first one
From the dialogue, it kinda seems like Bonin boned them over.
Well he did, why he climbed in the first place is unknown. Even without airspeed he should have been able to see that they weren't loosing altitude. There was no reason to climb...and he did it twice.
David. I’m not a pilot. Can someone explain what issue trying to climb created and what should have been done instead?
Jeff T they were losing altitude. If you try to climb while accelerating downwards, you'll fight against gravity which, as you might guess, is pretty effective on a ball of steel that big. That caused the stalling, mentioned all the time by the most annoying robot I've ever heard with the "stall" chime. If they had pointed the nose down, or at least level with the plane, they could build up speed again and then climb, although getting to a stalling situation is already critical.
Ya think
To be fair, the other F/O fucked up as well and seemed to have absolutely no idea that the plane was stalling, despite the STALL, STALL warnings.
It took a pair of idiots to cause this disaster.
This one sounds more like gross incompetence than anything. The crew didn't follow procedures or communicate with each other, leading to all those unnecessary deaths. I would not have accepted a payment of only 17-18,000 pounds for a lost loved one. They would have had to pay me more than that just to keep me shut up and off talk show circuit. I'd be telling everybody about their gross incompetence, negligence and lack of emergency training. My loved ones are worth MUCH more than 18,000 pounds and the protection of Air France's aviation reputation. I'm truly surprised that the affected families would accept such a pittance for the loss of their loved ones. I find this crash to be much more shocking than the loss of an aircraft due to some mechanical failure/accident. The entire aviation industry should have chewed Air France a new asshole over this, as should their government. Just unbelievable...
You are definately right there,how dare the French offer what is an absolute insult. Air France should be flying anyway,they operate like an African Wannabe airline, dodgy to say the least.Cheapskates with their lack of training too.
I agree! And can't believe such cretins were hired to pilot for Air France!
right you are. Fuck Air France. I’m never flying with them again. And I’m telling everyone else to do the same.
As soon as the captain got back Bonin should have told him everything he did. "I pressed this button then I pulled back on this, went to this altitude and then I got the stall warning and the plane became uncontrollable. I've been pulling back on the stick the entire time" etc etc.... He could have laid the situation out in 10 seconds. Instead he probably didn't want to get in trouble for being an idiot and decided to just pretend the plane went haywire on it's own. Without that other information the pilot had to waste time figuring out what Bonin already knew. Absolutely atrocious behavior. If you fuck up and a couple hundred peoples lives depend on your ego getting crushed, crush your fuckin ego and explain your fuck up. If these words in the video are the complete dialogue that's absolutely terrible conduct. I wonder at which point the plane still had a chance to recover if at all?
Fucken Bonin dude.
This terrible tragedy should not have happened, F/O Bonin was a complete idiot that he couldn't figure out how to correct a stall-TWICE.
Tragically incompetent.
They never identified the failure wich was “unreliable speed indication”. They should have practiced during training.
The whole crew was a bunch of idiots but Bonin was the most idiot for sure.
@Bahadir Alkes
Yeah, sure he was!
Robert had some understanding of the situation actually. He asked Bonin to go down 3 times, how could He imagine Bonin wouldnt listen?
"Bonin finally reveals the crucial fact that he is stalling the plane"
Great to know that Airfrance puts the value of a human life at 17,500 euros.
CheeseWithMold • What do you say would have been the value? If they had paid out (the monetary equivalent of) $100,000 per, would that have satisfied all? What if they had paid nothing?
My comment was kind of jokey in a way, but you have to admit that 17500 euros is nothing. That's not even a full years worth of pay at minimum wage. I'm not expecting AirFrance to pay out millions and millions of dollars per passenger, and I'm not sure where exactly I would draw the line of "That's enough money", but 17500 isn't it.
If I were in charge of this incident compensation, I would set the minimum bar at around 75k. But maybe that's why I'm not in charge.
CheeseWithMold • i realky do sort of get your jokey response. My questions sounded like a harsh and in-your-face challenge, as I read them back. But you answered thoughtfully, and let me say I appreciate your not attacking me for posing such questions. I've seen so much of that lately, with so much being below the belt! I've no idea what would be a fair payment, although there really are mathematical calculations that life insurance underwriters use based on age, general health, productivity predictions, etc. In other words, just how valuable one is in terms of what one can do for society. I sure would not want to do it.
CheeseWithMold not with Concorde
Consider that wrongfully imprisoned people often get paid multi-millions when they're released. I think being killed in a plane crash because of negligence is slightly worse than wrongful imprisonment.
It would certainly encourage airlines to prioritize passenger safety if they had to pay out bookoo bucks whenever someone died on a plane.
"you just got b o n e d"
- F/O Bonin's last words
I found astonishing the fact the pilots completely ignored the "stall" signal, so I did some research and I'd like to bring some clarifications:
- The investigation found that the "stall" signal on A330-200 planes at the time would stop when the speed of the plane decreases to a certain level, to avoid it sounding when the planes are on the ground. When the speed increases, however, and reach that level, IF the plane is still stalling, the alarm will start sounding again until the plane stall is over.
In this particular case, the stall message stops when the pilots pitch the nose up because the speed decreases, but it actually stalls the plane. When the pilots pitched the nose down, the alarm would sound again and that reportedly played a huge role in that crash.
- Also, another subject, on the settlement. 17,000 euros was a temporary settlement to all victims. From both ways (legal & agreement with the company), victims from Brazil were given from $750,000 to $1,000,000 per death. A victim from the U.S.'s family was offered $4,000,000. European victims' families received $250,000 on average.
The trial is still under way for 10 families who do not agree with Air France's offer.
Please pin it/upvote it so people can see it!
Robert didn't realize that Bonin was acting foolishly.
That didnt happen until the end, it's an AF talking point. The first 50 stall warnings didnt have the under 60 knot problem, they just refused to hear the stall warning
Yeah, that's kinda different info.
BTW, How soon after him being awakened the airspeed measurements started failing(?)…
It's not the loss of speed measured by the pitot which generates the stall alarm, it's a rapid loss of altitude, and altitude is not measured by the pitot.
It's not the loss of speed measured by the pitot which generates the stall alarm, it's a rapid loss of altitude, and altitude is not measured by the pitot.
It's unbelievable the Captain played such a passive role in this tragedy.
from what I understand Bonin screw up... BAD! then because he didn't say what he did , the other co-pilot and the captain didn't understand the problem... he thought that the plain was changing course without input...
Also Robert told at some point Bonin to release the controls which he didn't! Which lead to more confusion... and btw another stupid mistake by airbus!
You mean, being on a sleep break?
@@liviuemanuel82 If Bonin had not been so arrogant as to believe he could handle the situation, he would had left the commands to Robert.
Nothing he could have done. Imagine coming back from your sleep break only to hear "STALL STALL" and see 2 scared nervous pilots yelling at each other, with instruments showing inconsistent air speed, artificial horizon showing 25 deg pitch up and altimeter showing 7000 fmp descent.
Bonin's last words before crashing "but what is happening?" This guy shouldn't have even been allowed in the passenger area of a plane, let alone the cockpit.
He’s the kind of guy who opens a glass door to see what’s outside
@@Lapusso650 i can't stop laughing 💀
First video I saw from this channel and I immediately got hooked. The bare bones theme of the analysis with the simulator, simple audio and the subtitles made the last pieces of conversation before the crash real gut wrenching. Seeing the aftermath displayed during the remaining ≈2 minutes had me watching it as if i was attending a funeral...
Thank you for making these, X Pilot. I know you mentioned to someone that you don't always have a lot of free time, but I appreciate it. It must be a lot of hard work recreating these tragedies. I watched Allec Joshua Ibay's channel before I found your videos and while he has quite a few videos uploaded, in my opinion, they are not as explanatory and in-depth as yours are. I do miss the music in the conclusion at the end, though.
No worries. I understand. I hope it all works out for you on your side.
X Pilot's quality is just much higher than Allec's, and Allec has a horrible attitude towards his audience.
Its a shame that he has 100k subs to X Pilot's 30k. Should be the other way around.
I prefer these videos even though there aren't as many. Also, there's no need for the "sad" music; most of the outcomes are horrendous enough as it is. The silence during the epilogue makes enough of a statement, in my opinion.
"But whats happening?"
"WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING!?" "We've lost control of the plane."
"What should we do?" "Well, I don't know!"
Lol such a clusterfuck. I half expected them to pull a passenger in to ask for advice
"But I had the stick back
"WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING?"
-"STALL, STALL, STALL"
-"Hm what's that sound? Nevermind, I _think_ we're descending"
This was infuriating to watch. Any 13 year old who's played MS Flight Sim or X-Plane for a couple of hours knows how to put a plane into a stall and recover. What kind of training are these pilot getting? Look at your artificial horizon and your decent rate! You're pointed up and dropping! Get a clue!
Man i was really quite angry as well...what this guy did goes against everything we are taught on DAY TWO of flight training. I guess airbus really saps the fundamentals out of their pilots' brains
"ARE WE IN TOGA!?" No dumbass you're in a stall.
easy to say behind your screen mate..
But there's a huge difference between playing X-plane in your basement and piloting an real airbus in a thunderstorm at night. Fear and a stressfull environnement can make you make big mistakes. He's not the first pilot to make such catastrophic errors because of panick and we should try to understand these behaviors to avoid them in the future instead of insulting a guy who died trying to save his plane.
@@xamas7914 You said it all..
*Less than 2,000ft in the air*
Captain: Damn it, we're going to crash, this can't be happening.
F/O Bonin: But what's happening?
7:52
"Uh I think we're descending how about you?" As the plane is basically in free fall. It is rumored that he came over the radio and said "Just Bonin ya" when he let go of the stick.
Breaks my heart everytime i hear this story. So avoidable. 227 people died horrendously over pilot error. Would the passengers and crew know that something was wrong? Or would they have just not know what was coming and died painlessly without feeling anything?
Robert Bruce , I saw an Air Emergency video on this accident and one of the investigators said that those who were awake would have felt extreme turbulence as the plane fell, but in the darkness, over the sea, they wouldn't have known exactly was happening.
That’s sad.
Wouldnt they have heard that the engines weren't running? This is why I can't sleep on a plane, too much anxiety
*STALL STALL STALL* “What’s happening?” *STALL STALL STALL* “I don’t understand!” *STALL STALL STALL*
They could have called to the back of the plane and I bet half the passengers could have told them what to do! I bet the stewards could have told them! Unbelievable.
i love this channel the best! you always include crash footage and real footage as well. the other channel leaves it out for some weird reason, so thank you for including everything
STALL STALL "I don't understand what's happening!?" - bonin as he pulls back on the stick with all his strength
I think it's worth mentioning that it happened when meteorological conditions prevailed, all they could go by was the instruments. There are times pilots can get so disoriented that the plane would be flying completely sideways and they may not know it, you really have to trust your instruments.
And at the rate they were falling, I wonder how many vertical feet it would have taken for them to recover. I've done a power-on stall in a piper cherokee where the airspeed was down to 11 knots, but those planes can recover from a stall in less than 2 seconds.
Bro I love these vids so much,keep doing more dude!
X Pilot thanks but when is the next vid dropping tho?
X Pilot then it's all good,do what u gotta do man!
Forever alone.
Thanks for another fantastic video, can't wait for the next one.
I remember this crash from way back when. The icing in the speed sensors were talked about for a while. Had no idea it was pilot error at all. X Pilot you are THE SH*T! great vids man!
I wanna give this guy a pass for having a brainfart because he was about to die, but thats your job. You're supposed to not crash the airplane. That's the whole point of being a pilot.
"The aircraft involved... was flattened on impact."
That's different.
Loving your videos, you deserve more subscribers.
I'm not that into aviation but anytime your videos show up on my feed I have to watch! 👏 👏 👏
My brother was apart of the team that recovered the aircraft and whatnot from the sea, it was hard to find since it was on the edge of a mountain underwater
Forgot to mention the famous “fuck, we’re dead!” quote that either Robert or Bonin said just before impact.
man i cant get over how excellent of a job you do in these videos
i really hope you keep this old style of videos going because man oh man its great
hell even other people on YT are directly copying these i noticed
Great as always! Make one about Scandinavian Airlines Flight 751 :)
Weird, how to recognize and recover from stalls is the first thing they teach you at the flight school.
The natural human need for rest and relaxation also contributed to this tragedy. Had Captain DuBois been at the controls, this likely wouldn't have happened. He rejoined them and could offer his knowledge and skills only too little, too late. RIP all crew and pax.
Great video!
Nice one, Bonin.
Did the stall warning actually sound similar to that? Like were the pilots sure it was a stall warning and chose not to acknowledge it?
X Pilot that's crazy how Bonin didn't choose to think maybe he was stalling the plane that whole time
kenjryker but you can feel a stall, they were descending at just under 11,000 ft per minute, there's no way that they couldn't feel that drop
Once the rate of decent stabilises you will not be able to feel anything different. G force you feel is change in velocity, so if the vertical velocity is constant you will not feel any different from straight and level. The lowest G the aircraft reached was about 0.7G, and only for a breif moment, the entry into the stall and decent was quite gradual. For most of the decent the G force was about 1G, sometime more, so they would have felt just as if straight and level (based on G alone)
And re-evaluate the airbus too!
Decent rate of 10000 fpm pretty strong clue the stall was real.
An Iberian aircraft heading to Madrid that was in front of the AF 447 made a detour of approximately 150 km to get rid of the storm and this detour lasted less than 10 minutes, with dangerous deviations being common among well-prepared and experienced crews , it was unfortunate that the AF 447 crew did not do the same ...
@Adolf Hitler yes, I agree, because anyone who admires aviation will never settle for such irresponsibility...
🇧🇷👍
Good video!
damn ive watched a few of these now and this one really got my heart going
Pilot literally did not know how to fly the plane. Too much automation has led us here
Yeah, well, this dual input bullshit has already been argued about but cmon, what the fucking part of "left seat taking control" did bonin not understand... there was still time when that happened
Truly amazing.
Yay! Another one!
What is F/O Bonin's favorite workout?
Pull-ups
The only joke worthy of being funny.
Lol
Steve S hahaha nope not fumnu
He didn't take a shower before the flight. He just washed up on the shore
Steve S if you're ever in a plane where a crash and death is imminent I want you to remember your stupid joke the entire time the plane is descending back to Earth @ a high rate of speed. K?
F/O Robert: What do you think? What do you think? What should we do? Capt Dubois: Well, I don't know! When you have a conversation in the cockpit such as this, I don't think there's much hope. The plane is going to crash, esp when you have a Captain with that much experience on board, and hearing the stall, stall stall warning and they are ignoring it. This has to be one of the most incredible unbelievable situations in an airline cockpit to have happened. Unfortunately, the other pilots were clueless. All they needed to do was just simply heave bonin out of the seat, and then work the problem. Faulty design of the Airbus joystick controls and improper training led to this disaster.
Sara Beth Williams That would have been a sight! "I don't know what to do I've lost control of the plane and I've tried everything"!!! - heaves bonin aside - ......... All kidding aside though the first thing Bonin should have said was "I did X and then I did Y and then Z happened... And now we have a stall warning".. At that point the more experienced captain can offer input. Instead it seemsnhe was too embarred to say what he did to get that plane into that situation.
The captain did eventually recognize what was happening, he just needed 30 seconds or so to assess the situation. At first he straight up didn't know what was going on because nobody was telling him anything other than "WTF!?"
Jdam5694 No. Only after Bonin told him he was pulling back the stick... Then the captain knew....
French airline and a French aircraft, = disaster.
@@terryofford4977 You don't get out of Mayberry much, do you?
2:38 given the context, these are the most chilling words I've ever heard
You should do the Fairchild B52 crash - see if X-plane can properly emulate the flight dynamics that would cause that. Keep up the good work!
I just bought X-Plane 11 after a long hiatus from flight sims - when the 'show hidden planes' checkbox is checked, it looks like there is a B-52 there by default. I haven't flown it yet though, it may not have a 3D cockpit (or it may not even work at all).
This video reminded me of that - sometimes crashes caused by pilot error are the most informative/entertaining in a morbid sort of way.
wrigley090 physics on that are of a wet rag has too much tail authority can modify it tho
Bruh, I've only played Flight Simulator and I could pilot better than Bonin.
Sir Tristen nah I kinda agree with him, even as a kid I learned that to correct a stall you don’t force the plane upwards. How the pilots can’t piece this information together is beyond me.
Sir Tristen Authority? You totally used that word wrong, and missed most of my point as well. If you're too stupid to address the actual point of my comment, do not reply.
VarietyChillin They didn't realise Bonin was pulling up until it was too late. Robert was pulling down but due to dual input they cancelled each other out. Bonin didn't tell anyone that he was still pulling up so both Robert and Dubois were confused as to why the plane was still in a stall.
Sir Tristen fucking dumbass..
Sir Tristen It’s a Joke calm down
This pains me to watch. "I can't see the horizon, we're dropping 10000 feet per minute, and I got the yoke pulled back all the way, what am I doing wrong?!?"
Yup. Usually, I give the benefit of the doubt to the pilots and crew, but fuck Bonin. He single-handedly caused the fucking plane to crash.
I like your videos, and the effort you put into them. I am going to start asking what addons you're using starting with, What a330 addon is that?
cant you feel when your descending at 10,000 feet per minute?
if you are descending too fast you will feel The force
Phillip Kaaihue visuallh they couldn't see anything and I believe that if your rate of descent is constant, you won't be aware that you are descending
this is correct. you only feel it when you're accelerating--once the plane reached a constant rate of descent, it feels no different than if the plane were flying normally (or not moving at all, for that matter)
No. Your body feels acceleration, not motion.
The initial fall would have been felt, but once falling you wouldn't notice. Just like when you're driving 70 mph in a car, you can't feel how fast you're going...only when stopping and accelerating.
what you feel is acceleration, not speed. so you can feel the initial acceleration but once you fall at a constant speed, you don't feel it anymore. in this case, you would have felt weightless initially but then gravity would have felt normal. fall speed would have to increase forever to make you feel weightless
Hindsight is 20/20. Yeah now we know Bonin fucked up by pulling the joystick back the whole time, but they were confused and disoriented and I assume were in panic mode. We have the luxury of reviewing what happened after the fact, but if you were in their shoes who can say how we would’ve reacted.
But yeah Bonin should’ve known better.
I think Robert was on the right track. He was trying to save the plane. He didn't suspect Bonin was pulling the stick back because your average pilot would have KNOWN not to pull the stick back. So so sad. Bonin took that plane down.
Even if Robert didn't suspect Bonin doing the unbelievable stupid things he did, he should have demanded Bonin to communicate to him which measures he was taking.
THANK YOU X PILOT
It seem's to me a confused pilot traveling in a Air bus is capable of bringing a plane down without the other pilot's knowing. They basically had 2 minute's to figure out Bonin was stalling the plane. SCARY
Banin is a n00b
Braeden he was a beginner
My late husband was a pilot, thankfully not commercial. He was taught never to fly in inclement weather and I'm grateful that he never flew rainy days. 😊 no he's not my late husband because of flying, he died from illness.
This is by far the most stressful one I've watch from this channel
Appallingly tragic. Air France to this day still maintains that the pitot tubes were to blame and pilot error was merely a consequence of that fault. What the voice recorder clearly shows is a captain who shouldn't have had a break when he did (as the plane was heading into the phenomenon known as St Elmo's fire) and that the utter incompetence of both First Officers led to a frightening end for all of those passengers and remaining crew. Admittedly, the Airbus arm stick and not visible joystick controls prevented either pilot from actually seeing what the other was doing, but there is no excuse for their folly, especially in ignoring some 46 stall warnings. A truly avoidable tragedy.
Don't be harsh, guys. For Air France standards, these 3 "pilots" aren't that bad. I'm sure they would have figured it out after another 100 Stall Stall alarms...
LOL!
" thats not flying, its falling with style"
Amazing.
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i have played a few flight simulators and if ever im stalling even i know that you dont just pull back on the stick
one major thing is there is no force feed back on the other stick in Airbus, wheras in a boeing, if one pilot is pulling back, that force gets put into the other pilots yoke so he knows, if it was a boeing the pilot would have felt Bonin pull back right away
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**Alarm blaring like the world is ending**
Plane: “STALL, STALL, FU%#CKING STALL!”
All three pilots (especially Bonin): “What’s going on?”
leebee1100 actually one of them tried to recover from the stall but bonin kept pulling the stick up
Not sure if you read the official BEA report & transcript but ROBERT didn’t say “left seat takes control”. He said “commandes à gauche” - i.e. “controls to the left” and the investigative team acknowledged that we can’t be sure whether he meant “the left seat is taking the controls” or “put the controls to the left (hand side)” as the plane was banking right quite heavily when he said it and also the FDR showed Robert quickly pushed HIS side stick to the left as well, as if to help neutralise the bank. It’s just one of those things I guess. But once you’ve read all the official BEA papers as well as the book that exists, u’ll find a LOT of what animations and media reports show, here on YT as well, is patchy and partly even incorrect. Always good to do ur own homework if u know what I mean 🙂
Lets just hope that at 2:14 in the morning, most of the poor, helpless, passengers were asleep and didn't know what hit them. Nothing like having the 3 Stooges pilot your flight. "But what's happening...?" Boom.
Bonin: *pulls nose up*
Flight 447: *stalls*
Bonin: *shocked pikachu face*
Seriously, there has to be a point where pilots need to use common sense.
Basic PPL stall exercise: stall>nose down>gain speed>level up. This was an airliner pilot...
Hearing that stall warning put me on edge - and I’m laying in my comfy bed. Can you imagine it in the pitch black over the Atlantic with 227 souls relying on you?
As a mere VFR rated with a bit over 2000 hours, it is amazing how this incompetent fool Bonin managed to forget one of the most basic principles of stall recovery. Do these guys lose their skills by relying totally on the autopilot? Don’t they have to practice this shit a million times in the simulator? This one has to be the most egregious example of pilot incompetence I’ve ever seen.
I was also thinking what the fuck Bonin was doing throughout the time. Sure, it's allways easier to sit here and "prejudice" about someone actions & what he shouldn't have done, but damn.
BewareTheldes Hey, maybe if you spam that same fucking comment in a dozen more threads, you'll start to get your point across. Seriously, just shut the fuck up already.
I think he was suicidal.
Who type rated these people? I have no PPL, CPL type rating and I know if you are stalling pitch down, recover.
I remember this 😢
This isnt an accident, it's a controlled flight into terrain. Nice one Bonin