2D animation is so much better than 3D
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- Welcome to the animated debate of the century, where we dive deep into why 2D Animation Reigns Supreme in Cinema! If you're anything like me, you've felt the magic of animation course through you as those hand-drawn characters leaped across the screen. From Disney's renaissance era to the poignant tales of Studio Ghibli, there's just something about 2D that captivates the heart like no other. Uncover the secrets behind Disney's switch, the emotional power of 2D, and the artistic expression that sets it apart. Join the animation debate and discover why 2D animation is the timeless king of the animation hill!
00:00 Intro
0:44 Mini-history of 2D & 3D Animation
1:22 Versatility and emotional depth of 2D
2:11 Why 2D animation hits so hard..
2:40 The artistic expression of 2D
3:40 Why Walt Disney hated 101 Dalmatians
5:03 Why everyone recognizes 2D animated characters
6:13 Pinocchio aged better than Toy Story
6:37 Future of animation should be THIS (Not what you expect!) 
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3D animation isn’t bad, its just upsetting how it nearly killed 2D animation
Yeah...feels like it's completely overrun the animation industry. At least in the west, thankfully anime is still mostly 2D
I mean 2d animation is still around
2 d is still better klaus in netflix mixed this two
2 d makes emotions dances background better that 3 d cant do
A artistic soul so
Now I love 3-D animation, but I’ve always loved 2-D animation because it’s nostalgic and I feel like it’s something that should never go out of style or outdated. It gets a chance for children today to experience what their parents or grandparents experience when they were their age I think 2.5 the animation is perfect along with 3-D animation. I just wish Disney would use their money to bring back 2d animation
Yesss it's so nostalgic! Disney unfortunately is all about money and being cheap 🤦 but they would definitely have more success if they brought back 2D
@@miguelmunuera2601 I agree.
I don't think 3d sucksbut i feel like companies focus more on making the characters realistic instead of being creative and colorful and wacky but 2d has more fluididy and you can do absolutely anything
Good point, I do agree there seems to be more of a focus on realism
@@miguelmunuera2601 not only that but the stories are less impactful
Yeah I like 3d animation but I prefer 2d animation because it’s more creative and imaginative
Well I guess you don't like characters looking realistic
@@assassin8636 no .i meant that there is more focus on making characters realistic(which in sometimes amaze me ) but then the plot suffers (not always . A lot of 3d animated movies are great and i love them) because the company tends to make poor decisions or scrap an idea that is supposed to be in 2d. Disney is best known for this issue on the live action remake streak and failing because of poor decisions
I do miss 2D hand drawn though. The energy of the gesture and line quality is what I miss most when talking about 3D. As an illustrator, I find 3D movies inspirational in the broadest sense but watching 2D animation will actually inspire me to draw.
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There can still be a whimsical charm to 3D, like how "Tangled" managed to make Rapunzel's hair its own character.
That's a good point, I loved Tangled!
As an animator myself, there is definitely room in the world for both. Pixar, Disney and Dreamworks (among others) have made some truly beautiful imagery with their 3D animation, including ones that don't try to emulate 2D like Last Wish or Spider-Verse. There is a place for both. 2D also cannot do some things that 3D can, like advanced particle efffects like the ocean in Moana (the scene where she's an infant and the ocean opens up around her is one of the most beautifully animated scenes Ive ever seen), and the intricacies of Maui's tattoos couldn't really be done in 2D. While 2D also has its benefits, such as looking more stylized and as you stated...simple. But there is beauty in both simplicity in 2D and the realism 3D has. 3D films are still very expressive. Your argument that simplicity brings more expression and emotion than 3D is super odd considering we as humans live in a 3D world full of beauty, expression and emotion. Painters and artists for centuries have tried to mimmic realism in their work in a way that looks highly realistic. 2D is only simple because when it was first introduced, there was a limit on technology that only allowed artists to create it that way. It still has its charm and Id love to see more 2D animation again, but again the realism of 3D does not have the shortcomings you described in this video. Its just a different medium that in the end achieves the same storytelling.
So 3d animation is good to you?
It’s not that 3D animation sucks, it’s just that companies are reusing 3D just to save “time” and “money”, when there are other ways to create 2D animation. If my dinosaur novel I’m writing is successful, I would’ve demand filmmakers to adapt it into a 2D animated film to pay homage to anime.
Well said honestly
I think a healthy mix of both, I dont think up could have worked as well as it did in 2D. or coco, i think the detail in those films help with the emotional side of the story, but i do think 2D is more artful over all
You're right. There are some amazing movies in 3D that just wouldn't work as well in 2D. The only thing is that I feel like there are many more duds in 3D animation recently. A mix of both is definitely awesome
Back in 2012 Disney released an experimental short called Paperman. It's the first 3D animated short that utilizes "Style Transfer" AI technology.
It turns 3D animation and makes it look like 2D hand animated drawings. It's creating 2D looking animation using 3D tools without the hassle and cost associated with it.
It's beyond Cell Shading. The technology really morphed 3D animation into a hand drawn one.
I was really excited to see a new Feature Length animation from Disney that would utilized this technology since Disney is known to create experimental shorts to test the viability of new tech to later apply to feature length movies like "The Old Mill" that preceded "Snow White" and Goofy's "Aquamania" that preceded "101 Dalmations".
But the film never materialized because this is Bob Iger's Disney and not Walt's Disney. Everything had to look like Pixar because Pixar made money . . . until it didn't.
Wow I had no idea. Just watched a clip of it on RUclips and it looks incredible! Didn't know that technology existed. So sad that they never used that technology for feature-length films..such a wasted opportunity
@@miguelmunuera2601 The Technology is already matured. Look up "3D Style Transfer". AI is utilized to morph any frame being 3D or life action footage in any type or style of hand drawn art. Given current 3D technology cost is NO excuse for not doing 2D animation. In fact Animation in Rembrandt, Michelangelo and Van Gogh painting style and level of detail is completely possible. ruclips.net/video/upDeBhGYWmc/видео.html.
@@miguelmunuera2601 yup it was impressive. Idk why they don't make a film using that method instead. It even exists long before the spider-verse.
There’s something so magical about 2D films such as The Prince of Egypt, Klaus, the Spiderverse films, The Great Mouse Detective, Puss in Boots: The Last Wish, and Atlantis: The Lost Empire. These are some of my favorite films of all time!!!
But, another favorite of mine will always be Rango. The way it intentionally makes its 3D style gritty, imperfect, and detailed is proof that, if used wisely, 3D animation can be just as incredible as 2D! In fact, the director himself wanted to step away from the samey, clean style of most 3D films. It even borrows elements from live action that make it so much more investing than most live actions films today.
I couldn't agree more. GREAT choices. Klaus is so unbelievably amazing, Atlantis and the others too.
That's so awesome about Rango! I actually have never watched it, so you've convinced me to put it on my watch list. I love the fact that they made a concerted effort to steer away from the popular 3D style.
Puss in boots is not a 2D movie though
@@leonardosquillace8871 it's 2.5D animation ;) uses a mixture of both
The Spiderverse movies and The Last Wish are 3D films
No animation is better than the other, its just not good to have one over through the other. Both are beautiful in their own ways, both take so much work, and both can do so much with enough creativity. I have so much passion for 2D animation but I don't want to say one is better than the other.
I understand that to be honest. Let's hope they do more fun and creative 3D & 2D films!
Team 2D animation 🙌🏻
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Yesss. finally someone acknowledged that 3D and hyper-realism are not necessarily better than 2D animation! I feel so sad that nowadays all major cartoons are produced in 3D... Sure it looks great sometimes, but 2D also has its undeniable advantages that 3D will NEVER have. Can't wait to see more reviews of yours, Miguel! 👏
Couldn't agree more! Thanks for the great comment Isabella :) by the way just checked out your channel, and you've gained an extra sub. Love the content
When I start my own animation place I’ll bring back 2-d hand drawn animation!
Hell yeah!!
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I have a lot of problems with this video:
1. "The simplicity of the 2D animation style often amplifies emotional moments"
Excuse me? What the f*** does this mean? WHERE IS THE SIMPLICITY OF 2D ANIMATION? People didn't learn about anatomy, physics, perspective, colour theory, 12 principles of animation, storyboarding, cleanup, and in-betweens only for you to call it "simple", neither the art style nor the animation is simple, and implying that this is what makes 2D animation better completely undermines the many incredible art styles shown in 3D media.
And what exactly does this have to do with it being poignant or memorable, saying that means that 3D animation emotional moments are less memorable, which just isn't true.
2. "Most 3D animation looks the same"
First of all, the pictures you showed after this was said are filled with completely different character designs and no shit they look so similar, they are meant to resemble HUMANS, notice how I said similar and not the same, did you expect them to look like different species? besides you did a great job showing the diversity of 3D animation (Sarcasm), I would like you to know to compare the art styles and characters of Elemental, Arcane, Across the Spider-verse, Super Mario movie, Soul, Puss in Boots, and Luca, not to mention 3D media that aren't movies like videogames such as The Legend of Zelda, Apex legends, or League of Legends. Each one of these has its own character designs and saying "oH tHey alL LooK tHe sAmE to mE" is an insult to all those artists who worked so hard on those projects.
Yes, it was very hard to stylize 3D animation... 20 YEARS AGO!!!!!, and do you know why? BECAUSE 3D ANIMATION HAD JUST BEEN F***ING INVENTED!!!! the technology was just being developed and there were many complications to recreate humans, and do you know what they did? They got creative, Pixar made movies about monsters, cars, bugs, animals, toys, and fishes, and I don't know about you but to ME they don't look THE SAME
2. "2D animators can do so much, manipulate lines, colours and shapes"
Am I missing something? does 3D animation not use colours and shapes, and sure lines are very nice in 2D animation and I genuinely love them, but this does not mean that it's better than 3D, explain to me why lines have such an importance in storytelling and emotions, literally explain in DETAIL why LINES make you feel EMOTIONS.
4. 101 Dalmatians made 2B dollars.
You use this argument to say that 2D animation can be done so differently and have so much style, but this point does not support you at all, did you not say that what made the movie's art style different was the machine they used to work, the only difference was the tools they used to produce, which BY THE WAY Walt Disney didn't like, there wasn't anything creative about the art style, it was an accident, I am not saying this is a bad thing, art styles can be created by accident and look amazing, but there wasn't any artistic intent in this, but using this as an argument that 2D animations has more style is just so unbelievable to me.
And btw the amount of money a movie makes does not define its value.
5. "2D animation characters are more recognizable"
*sigh*
huh?
Is this actually a valid point you want to make in your argument? how does something becoming a cultural icon make it better? like genuinely how? Despicable Me 2 made 971 Million dollars and I personally don't think that this makes it better than Pokemon, or do you?, but the minions are more popular than Pikachu so I guess they're better right?
See the point I'm trying to make?
Also... "2D animation is more accessible" what? In what world is a method of animation more accessible than others, in this day and age 3D animation is just as accessible as 2D,
Whether of not they are accessible to the viewers depends completely on who owns the media, where it is published and how much money people are willing to pay for it.
6. "2D animation ages better"
I cannot express how much this statement annoys me...
As much as I agree that movies from 80 years ago such as Pinocchio look amazing and I love them... they don't look THAT great, I mean it's incredible the amount of quality they achieved working with cells (Not a computer) but comparing it to the animation quality of Klaus (Which btw you should see it, it's great) they don't look that great.
And you are comparing Toy Story to these, the reason Toy Story is so significant to 3D animation is that it's the FIRST 3D animated film to come out to the public, it was an incredible achievement at the moment and of course, it didn't look so great comparing it to toy story 4 but it was the first step towards a new animation tool.
Now I want you to compare Fantasmagorie Émile Cohl, 1908 to Toy Story, if you didn't know (ofc you didn't) Fantasmagorie is the first 2D animated film, I think it's fair for you to compare the first 2D and 3D film.
7. "3D is better if it's mixed with 2D"
I agree but... the 3 examples you mentioned didn't just use 2D animation to express their creativity, the art styles are based on 2D media, but they are not 2D, and it wasn't just the animation that made them great, it was also the writing, character design, music, saying that something is better just because they have 2D traits completely undermines all the work EVERYONE put in those films.
I am genuinely impressed that you wrote so much haha I appreciate the comment! I would love to discuss these points with you, maybe I should have you on as a guest one day haha. I do get what you're saying on some of these points, but not on others. Regardless, 3D and 2D can both be brilliant but I've genuinely been so disappointed by 3D lately. Let's hope that changes :)
3D never looks good mixed with 2D because the 3D almost always looks more realistic.
Whaaaaat? Puss in boots, Spider-Verse, Mitchell's vs the machines, all gorgeous examples of 2D & 3D don't you think?
@miguelmunuera2601 i mean when people composite 2D and 3D like in futurama. Puss and Boots tlw looks great
I mainly grew up with 3d movies from the 2000s to early 2010s, cartoons and anime are the 2d animation I enjoy. I’m definitely not a 90s kid
Totally get that, they aren't for everybody. But Anime shows how amazing 2D can be
I wanna see 2 movies that are exactly the same, but one's 2D, while the other is 3D.
Same
Ah, yes, "Spiderman: Into the Spiderman" is truly one of my movies of all time.
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I personally think 2D and 3D animation are equal, they both have their advantages and disadvantages, pros and cons. While I do like 2D animation more than 3D animation, neither are “objectively” better than the other, that just feels disrespectful to both techniques. Also: Animation is not a genre, it’s a medium.
Thanks for pointing it out, mis-spoke there haha. But yeah there are certainly advantages and disadvantages to both
I def agree the 2.5D look in the recent films you mentioned is the way to go forward. Mixing what got animation off the ground with whats modernized for a fresh yet nostalgic feel... here's hoping in 2024 we get more of that style🤞🏾
Yeah let's hope! We should be getting season 2 of Arcane in 2024 so that's already a mix of both. And then movies wise, doesn't seem like there's much announced yet
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3D doesn't suck it just were tired of it the same thing with 2D animation when Pixar and dreamworks came into the games
I think it's also not been used to it's potential. 3D can be so much more than what we've seen over the past 10 years
@@miguelmunuera2601Hey Tangled is good I like frozen Moana and Encanto and the Pixar and DreamWorks movies were also fire
I like 3D animation however, I do like 2D animation!
Both can be good ;)
This...seems to be an underbaked take.
There are 3D icons that transcend culture, and I think you'd be hard pressed to argue there aren't considering the Minions exist. Elsa is also definitely a worldwide icon, I don't even know how that's being argued, you couldn't escape the Frozen phenomenon a few years ago. Mario could practically be considered a 3D character since his most well-known incarnations are his pixelated sprite and his modern, 3D look. His only 2D hand drawn incarnation is a laughing stock people use to make jokes about Luigi talking about weiner, and those are just a couple of examples.
Later 2D animation from Pinocchio aged well, but the earliest 2D animation did not. Toy Story was the first full 3D animated film to be released back when the technology was new, they were literally in uncharted territory. This would be like pulling up old animation for Transformers or Astroboy and saying "I think it doesn't age well."
Your example for "most 3D animation looks the same" exclusively pulled from Disney Pixar characters. Of course they're going to look the same, the studio has their own artstyle. This would be like pulling up images of only Studio Trigger images and saying "all anime looks the same". Here's a list of examples of 3D animated films with their own distinct styles;
The Hotel Transylvania Series
Captain Underpants
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Mutant Mayhem
The TMNT (2007) movie
Madagascar
The Spongebob Movie: Sponge on the Run
Turning Red
Lupin III the First
The Lego Movie
Sausage Party
The Addams Family
Open Season
The Ice Age series
Rise of the Guardians
Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs
Mitchells Vs. the Machines
The Nightmare Before Christmas
The Book of Life
Final Fantasy 7: Advent Children
Robots
I could add more, but my thumbs are getting tired and I think you get the point. Not all of these look good necessarily, but I think you'd be hard pressed to honestly say they all look the same.
I think it's fine to say you personally prefer 2D, but to act like any of this is objective isn't really being honest, speaking as an artist who deeply enjoys both 2D and 3D.
Love this comment. There's nothing I appreciate more than healthy rebuttal. Mario is actually a good example, I was mostly thinking about film-originated characters, but mario & luigi are definitely world icons. Elsa is as well I would say, but my argument is that just as many if not more people internationally (so latin america, africa, asia) would recognise the three 2D characters I mentioned than Elsa, but maybe that's not the case.
Toy Story was the first to be released with that technology, yes, but Snow White was also one of the first of it's kind and it still holds up INCREDIBLY well even today. I just think those two mediums, because of how they're animated don't hold up the same.
I understand your point about 3D not looking the same, there are definitely some great examples there. I was thinking of Mitchells vs the Machines (loved that movie btw), but from what I remember, that was a combination of both 2D and 3D, with 2D really helping to stylise it the way it was. The rest I agree with you, just from what I read 3D is more complicated to Stylise than 2D, and I think it would be hard to get something as stylistically different as for example "The Tale of Princess Kaguya", in purely 3D. I could be wrong though.
I really appreciate your take honestly, would you say you prefer both mediums equally?
@@miguelmunuera2601 Snow White was the first fully animated movie length feature, but it was released well after the technology of 2D had already begun developing, the first 2D film (Fantasmagorie) was released in 1908, Snow White came 30 years after that. That's 3 decades of time developing the medium to release the film. The first 3D film (Dream Flight) was in 1983, Toy Story released in 1995, a little over 10 years after that and just a couple of years after Veggie Tales the series released. Snow White is nowhere near a fair comparison, a better comparison would be Monster's University or Frozen which released in 2013, 30 years after Dream Flight. Now it seems suddenly 3D ages better.
You can make 3D look anything like 2D if you actually know what you're doing. Lupin III the First is a wonderful example of that because it perfectly translated the 2D adaptations into 3D, I was impressed by even the simple detail of them getting his weird little cat-mouth right. It isn't hard to stylize and make your own, I think a lot of video games could demonstrate that.
I would say I think both are capable of being beautiful. They're both mediums with peaks and valleys, I've seen both. I think the current best showing of animation is Into and Across the Spiderverse which, yes, does receive help from 2D, but is mostly a 3D film at its core, but that's only my opinion. I've also seen some wonderful 2D that my brain has spent a decade thinking about, the Wrath Vs. Gluttony fight in Conqueror of Shamballa which released all the way back in 2005. It's a fantastic piece of animation and sound design I come back to over and over.
I think trying to champion either doesn't work because they're both capable of amazing things.
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Something else I just thought of in regards to 2D, I feel like it’s easier to visit them again/rewatch them, even if the movie itself isn’t known to be as great as some others. But if a 3D film flops, I feel like most people aren’t going to go back and watch it. At least with a 2D film, one can go back because the film is gorgeous looking, because the animation is smooth, the characters are animated beautifully and fun , and the backgrounds are hand painted and lovely to look back at. They are more artistic like paintings. This isn’t to say some 3D films can’t be like this, but I just feel like that’s more often the case
Yeah I completely agree. For example treasure planet flopped at the box office but it's still a very loved movie that people rewatch to this day
Kungfu panda is one of my favorite 3D animated franchise because its creative with it's medium
I'm going to hard disagree with you here, not so much on the conclusion but on the main premise. Also, a little bit on the conclusion as well.
2D and 3D aren't really that different, they are merely different mediums with their own visual quirks. I could make the argument that stop-motion is 3D, and at that point most of your arguments against 3D would fall, or at least falter quite a bit. It's not really the point, since I consider stop-motion to be its own medium.
The issue with 3D has always been in the art direction and the pursuit of photorealistic rendering over visual imagination. It's only just now that we are entering that age for the big studios, but indie 3D animation has been playing with that stuff for ages.
2D has a much longer history and is more widespread, but that doesn't mean we can't find great 3D animation as well, that in my opinion surpass a lot of the 2D examples. Even though it wasn't used as much in feature films back in the day, you can find plenty of interesting examples in things like video game cutscenes, or animated short films.
The issue isn't so much in the medium, but in how it's utilized. I absolutely don't think that 3D has been utilized well most of the time, and it's only recently that more people are beginning to realize at least a small portion of the potential of the medium.
Very good point. Honestly I agree, I do think that the utilization of 3D has been pretty lackluster. Studios need to catch on that realism isn't the key, it's creativity and expression. Thankfully we're getting more of that recently with some of the films I mentioned!
Then again I do think the west needs to look to Japanese anime, for how beautiful and amazing they've been doing 2D over the past 10 years.
2D animator here, while I agree with the sentiment you're trying to convey, I don't think putting down 3D like you are is the right way to go about it.
Disney is not failing because they have completely transitioned to 3D animation, it's failing because corporate greed and meddling is preventing the talented artists from taking risks and making good and compelling films like they used to. Projects from other companies like dreamworks and sony prove that whether a film is in 3D or 2D, it has nothing to do with how well a film can succeed.
2D animation has its strengths from 3D, but so does 3D from 2D. 2D is better for styled and abstract visuals among other things like you pointed out, but 3D is also an admirable art form. 3D allows for more intricate camera movements and more detail in character models and environments and so on. It takes an incredible amount of knowledge and technical understanding to create 3D animated films on the scale that we see.
Seems like you tried to side with that argument in the last bit of the vid, but rings kinda hollow with the title and content of the vid and the half assed defense at the end. Because yes, on it's own 3D can stand up to 2D if the artists behind it use its strength deliberately. Again, both art forms have their benefits. I don't think either 2D or 3D should be put above the other, that's why the industry is the way it is now, because people put 3D above 2D. They are separate but can work together under the right circumstances.
Also, stop motion? just as much it's own admirable art form with its own strengths and weaknesses , but we tend to forget about that one.
Awesome that you're a 2D animator! I definitely hear you, 3D and 2D can both succeed spectacularly if the people behind the project are competent. I think just because of all the 3D projects that I've been seeing over the past few years, (excluding Spider-verse and puss in boots) I've been losing hope in 3D just a tad. Especially since I love so many old 2D classics, but also because I'm a huge fan of anime and they're doing SPECTACULAR animation in the realm of 2D that marvels me week in week out, so it's hard not to get swept away by that. Hence this video to give you all my thoughts. But you're right, 3D CAN be just as spectacular, that's kind of what I try to convey at the end.
Stop motion..very good point. Such a great art form and so painstaking to do, it's admirable as hell.
Thanks for commenting by the way, always a fan of good debate! :)
@@miguelmunuera2601 yeah man. I think the thing going on with 3D films is that it's a lot faster to make than 2D, at least with a not overly ambitious baseline of quality. (not spiderverse that shit was super ambitious and takes forever) so all these studios realized that they can output a lot more films every year than they could with 2D, so they don't have to try to make as much of an amazing movie because their eggs aren't all in one basket.
the anime industry is also an important thing to consider because yeah, why can't western studios do stuff like that as much as japan or korea or so on? well the fact that 2D animation is a booming industry in the east is part of the reason it feels like 2D animation in the west is dying. a huge amount of our 2D projects get outsourced to the east to get animated, because over there their workers don't have to get paid as much as they do here. companies in the east can put out so much visually amazing work because the work culture is inhumane and they pay barely enough for them to live. They outsource for 3D too but I guess they just don't have the in house pipeline for 2D anymore, at least not for films. idk if you knew any of that already but I felt like info dumping about it lol
but yeah I'm also bitter 2D animation in the west feels dead. 3D is amazing and I admire my peers who can do it a lot, but unfortunately the animation industry for movies only sees them as worth the expense.
2D animation never should've been abandoned to begin with. It never technically went away (Studio Ghibli, Cartoon Saloon, etc), but it's nice to see this resurgence and newfound appreciation for the art form.
I also want to point out that you said "genre". Animation isn't a genre; it's a medium. Other than that, this is a solid video.
It was abandoned in the west, but not internationally. Japan has continued creating incredible 2D animation in their anime for example. It needs to come back to the west!
And thanks for pointing that out ;)
@@miguelmunuera2601I'd argue that animated television series kept it alive as well ( _Gravity Falls_ , _Steven Universe_ , _Star Vs. The Forces of Evil_ , _Over the Garden Wall_ , etc.). Not necessarily "hand drawn" per say, but 2D nonetheless. But in terms of feature films in the West? Yes, it was abandoned for a while.
@@1805movie Oh good point. I'm just not as familiar with the shows so I couldn't really think about that aspect.
I don't know if I would completely count them since they all have pretty much the same artstyle. The same case might be said for anime, but at the same time I doubt those shows would be able to work with the current Western style. Would anyone be able to take Berserk or Devilman serious if they looked like Steven Universe?@@1805movie
3D animation doesn’t suck it’s just being overused and not giving 2d the spot light it needs
Very overused, true
Eh, I’m not sure about that.
Yes, 2D animation was the kickstarter for animated movies that have since become classics, but 3D animation isn’t anything to sneeze at either. I respect both art styles for what they are. And after Into the Spider-Verse, we’ve seen some fantastic merging of both styles in the past few years.
Still, I respect your opinion!
3D can definitely be done beautifully. Like Coco, but I'd say there are more duds on the 3D animation front. A mixture is definitely the way forward, into the spider verse was incredible!
@@miguelmunuera2601That's because there are more 3D animated movies coming out in general within the last decade. Bad 2D isn't hard to come by if you look at other industries that still use a lot of 2D like anime which have shows like 7 Deadly Sins that earned the nickname "7 Deadly Frames". 7 Deadly Sins wasn't an unknown show either, it was one of the top seasonal anime just a few years ago. I also think a lot of movies with good 3D animation fly under the radar because they're kids movies with not much of a plot to speak of. The Captain Underpants movie has a lot of great effects but- it's a Captain Underpants movie, what self respecting adult would watch and praise it? The Charlie Brown movie no one watched a few years ago looked great, the Hotel Transylvania movies which were directed by the guy who did Samurai Jack and Primal of all things are great displays of how 3D models can be manipulated- but- it's a kid's movie about monsters hoping their kid has vampire powers and going on a cruise. I think it's fine to say someone prefers a certain look or style, but to say one is "better" when they both have different strengths and weaknesses kind of misses a major point of art and artistic expression.
True the fact that there are way more 3D movies coming out recently - especially underbaked ones - us a big factor. But I would argue that a lot of anime has beautiful 2D animation actually, and that 7 deadly sins is the exception not the rule.
You're right though there are some great 3D movies that go under the radar! I might have to check those out even if they are for kids hahah
@@miguelmunuera2601 I never said anime didn't have beautiful 2D, I said it's an industry with more of it which gives us more chances to see bad 2D. And no, 7 Deadly Sins isn't a rarity, there are plenty of bad, poorly animated 2D shows or bits of 2D animation that come out, for every beautifully animated shonen, there's 5 isekai about 100 people watched that look downright terrible, you could trudge the lowest rating on MAL to find that.
Some examples I can think of off the top of my head of bad 2D in anime I can think of;
Dragon Ball Super's early arcs
One Piece's Dressrosa arc
A ton of Naruto filler I watched as a kid
Dramatical Murders before the blu-ray release (I will also throw in that's in common in the anime industry to fix animation errors for a blu-ray release)
Hametsu No Mars
Handshakers
Ginatama's first season
Isekai Cheat Magician
Early Baki
XxxHolic
In Another World with my Smartphone
The Master of Ragnarok
Within individual shows you can find plenty of bad animation cuts if you wanted to, and that's not even including the entire trend of bad 2D animation in western cartoons where people got lazy like Dude That's My Ghost, or basically the entire adult animated industry with exception to a few things from the last 5 years. There is plenty of bad 2D, and I've come across it, there's plenty I haven't, but I'm not about to generalize 2D as being bad in general just because some people don't know how to use it or are lazy.
Always blame the artist, never their tools. 3D can look and be fantastic, so can 2D, but in the hands of people who don't know what they're doing or just don't care, of course it's going to look bad.
So you're saying you like 3d animation
I went to school for animation and I personally like 3D better. I really don’t think this video had many good points. Because a lot of this video relies on “nostalgia”. As someone born in the 20s I really don’t care about any pure 2d movies besides lion king that Disney made. They just don’t mean much to me. So no, those movies aren’t as nostalgic to my gen as they would be to older gens.
It's not just about nostalgia, there's also a ton of brilliant 2D animation that I love nowadays, just look at Anime in Japan. Some gorgeous and amazing examples of it. I honestly feel the medium just has more ability for creativity
@@miguelmunuera2601 There are both good and bad in both 2D and 3D. Saying that “2D is so much better than 3D” in the thumbnail is based on opinion. Not a fact.
@@HopesFire of course!
I believe that 3D can also be a valid means of expression, just watch Puss in Boots 2 (which conveys the emotions experienced by Puss very well, the whole range), but I could also go back to Wall-E... I think, however , that a traditionally animated film (regardless of the style adopted) is capable of remaining fresh for longer, on a technical level.
If you compare Antz to Shrek, you can already notice the difference in digital technology, and this becomes even more evident if you compare a film from 20 years ago with a current one, always digital... if you compare Snow White to any film Disney from the 90s, you couldn't say that the first one is almost 100 years old, if not for the style adopted or some aesthetic features.
Furthermore, if some modern digital films are magnificent to watch, I find myself amazed when I think of all the precautions that traditional animators were forced to take, not to mention that all of Disney's most iconic sequences come from their 2D animated films , like the one in which Ariel climbs the rock with the sea behind her....I challenge myself to replicate it with digital, I don't think it could ever perform in the same way.
Very good point
For me 3d used primarily in a film can be dull, cold and souless.. however "when done correctly" combining 2d with 3d can look amazing... they seem to be slowly getting better at doing this.. its like 2d animation on steroids...
Yeah it can look absolutely incredible, I hope the rest of the film industry catches on and does more of that
Can't they both be great? I don't understand why this has to be an argument. One isn't better than the other. It just comes down to artistic choice. Remaking a beautiful CGI movie in 2D wouldn't inherently look better.
They can! I just think the 3D that's come out in the last decade hasn't been particularly awe-inspiring. But there are definitely some great examples
I was doing 3d animation for last 10 years but now i am into 2d animation more and trying to learn 2d more. bcz its more interesting to me than using graph editor.
It's more interesting but takes more time right?
I Love both but have not always loved both. i Grew into 3D. Being on the other side of it i can see the true artistry that is involved in utilizing a 3d space of limitless possibilities to translate what ever your mind's eye can see towards (Hopefully) an audience. 2D animation started seeing less results in the box office which is why Disney bought Pixar and started to produce more 3d films that do either good or bad but its risky for them to do 2d right now because the last time they tried to compete with Pixar (3d animation) with their (Dream Works) film at the time (Road to El dorado) Pixar's film ended up towering over Disney which helped lead towards the switch of mediums but 2D art has this specific flavor that 3d just isn't and Vice Versa. Its just another Dimension Mann lolll Still Creative people doing awesome stuff.
I'm not sure tbh. Their 3D films right now are bombing completely, so there's no harm in trying 2D again. Honestly, it doesn't matter the medium, what matters is that they actually try their best with it and try to produce something creative, original, stylistically beautiful. If they do that, it'll succeed regardless.
Cartoon Network and anime are keep 2D alive from the last decade
Especially anime. Anime has some GORGEOUS 2D. Actually might make a video on anime next
So happy you made this video, it's so sad seeing how dead 2D animation is these days. I'm tired of having to constantly having through older shows to watch 2D animation since so many companies don't use 2D animation nowadays in favor of 3D animation.
It really is sad...if you want to watch some amazing, modern 2D animation I highly recommend watching some anime :)
Peter Chung always comes to mind as a 2D animator that has a style entirely his own... gritty, grotesque, beautiful
I just checked it out...what a sick style!
Glad you like it! The short titled “War” (from Aeon Flux) is a great little introduction to his world and thanks for the comment and your videos are great btw!!
@@SuPeRNinJaRed thanks man really appreciate it! Will definitely check out the short :)
In all my years watching animated movies, only one sequence from any 3D animated film has ever reached the level of expressiveness as a 2D animation... and that is the fight sequence that goes along to the song *Shiny* in Moana. Yet another reason Tamatoa is the GOAT.
Moana is one of those real exceptions in 3D animation. It's just so good!!
@@miguelmunuera2601 100% Agreed!
3D animation is good for if you want to take it slow and show a lot of beauty with an additional layer of depth, but 2D animation is good for fast paced movement and being more simplistic means it can be finished quicker so even more of it can be made within a certain amount of time & at a cheaper rate than 3D.
Hmm interesting perspective, I hadn't thought about it like that
3D is most definitely not more expensive than 2D. That's one big reason why many large studios switched to 3D.
@@TECfan1 I don't see how 3D is cheaper, I mean 2D is more flat & simplified, while 3D requires more depth & details, both can be done using computers, so how exactly is 3D computer animation cheaper than 2D computer animation again?
@@skurvay3429 3D is cheaper because it uses less recourses. You just have to create rigged characters and environments, and once those are done you animate them by moving the rigs around. With 2D, each frame has to be hand-drawn whether via traditional cels and paint (which is expensive to buy in itself), or through digital 2D animation in which each frame is drawn on a computer. Drawing each frame by hand is a lot more meticulous then simply animating using a rigged character that only has to be made once, so the hours 2D takes is a lot longer and thereforethe artists have to be paid more forbthe longer hours. 3D does require a unique set of skills that are challenging on their own, but it is a lot more cost effective and quicker than 2D animation.
@@TECfan1 What about how programs like Flash & Toonboom use 2D Puppets for their animation instead of traditional hand drawing on paper & cels, it basically seems the same as how 3D uses Models in a similar way, only with 3D you need to add additional depth & details to the models, while with 2D you could be flat & simplified using puppets, so if using the right programs for 2D computer animation, it seems like it would be less time consuming & use less resources than both traditional hand drawn cels or 3D computer animation.
The last theatrical 2D movie (The Bobs burgers Movie) was so beautifully animated with such a low budget im sad it flopped
I actually haven't watched it, I'll have to put it on my watchlist
It's even worse with videogames. These days you either get the realistic style with developers hiring actors to do 3d modeling on their faces or you get the generic animated style. So basically all games look the same.
Maybe that would make a good RUclips video...👀
@miguelmunuera2601 Yeah, I've noticed this generic kind of animated art style showing up all over the place. I play Disney Dreamlight Valley, and while the Disney characters appear in their own styles, the player character has that generic animated style. Most recently, I saw that same style show up in videos about that Ai chatbot DigiApp where the avatars in the app have the generic animated style that looked so familiar to me. If Games go for the realistic style, they all look the same. Baldurs Gate 3, despite being an RPG with fantasy creatures, looks like every other game. Stanfield, despite being a sci-fi game looks like every other game.
@@matane2465 damn I hadn't thought about that actually but it's true, Baldur's Gate does look similar to others
@@miguelmunuera2601 Overwatch also has that sort of generic animated art style I mentioned.
I do prefer 2d animation, but I think the reason I am frustrated with 3 d is because, not everywhere, they used it as a reason to not try as hard with creativity. Animators in 2d would consider ways to make tgeir characters look believable, so there was more creativity. In 3d because it already looks realistic a lot less wonder is put on. However, that is not completely true. Some anime companies have been able to forge the two together making an unforgettable production.
I agree, that's also been frustrating for me
Totally agree!!!
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'2D animation can be done many ways. It's so versatile!' Paraphrased, but a non-starter either way. That remains true if you swap "2D" for '3D'. The problem is not incapability of 3D but that the suits are not giving the time, money or creative freedom needed to _fulfill the same potential_ in 3D. 2D animation was also king at a time of creator-driven animation media, and it's not creator-driven anymore, so again there's less room to fulfill potential. 3D can be as versatile, expressive, interesting as 2D if allowed. Personally, I think a combination of the two could be amazing. There are bits of that in Tarzan, Avatar (the show) and such but I'm not aware of an entire film mixing the two overall. Much like the ideal effects are practical with CG only enhancing them.
That's a good point. I do agree that now a days we're at a time of much less creator-driven media, which hinders the potential and creative expression. Nonetheless from what I've seen and heard it seems much easier to stylize 2D than 3D, but maybe I'm wrong. I really hope they do more mixture of both though! :)
@@miguelmunuera2601 "Tangled" was set out specifically to be '2D aesthetic in 3D space' and it does a great job. There's more energy to movements and great use of color and the hair on Rapunzel is astounding. They built whole new tech for it and everything. Just seems like nobody's built on their achievement.
@@grabble7605 completely agree. The animation there is AMAZING
To me, 2D is better all the way, because:
- it gives fantasy/fairy tale wibe, like a painting or drawing came true
- imagination can be poured into fluidly changing shapes, I mean, like Gene in Alladin,
spirits of the underworld in The frog princess, and if my foggy mind recalls correctly,
shapeshifting scene in Brother Bear!
- when you see 3D, you subconsciously question the reality of the show.
You just do. Which is why I think Toy story as 3D just fits, even if it didn't age well
- much more stylistic choices, like you said
Couldn't agree more!!
But what about Stop motion (which technically counts as "3D")? Rudolph, James and the Giant Peach, Nightmare before Christmas, Fantastic Mr Fox, My Life as a Zucchini, every movie made by Aardman or Laika
Also, not all "2D" animation is "traditional". A lot of shows use Flash or Toon Boom
The 3D animation I was referring to was 3DCGI used in most Pixar films. Stop motion is definitely incredible, Fantastic Mr. Fox being one of my favourite movies
just thought I'd give you some feedback, in case you're looking for that:
I think the video idea is good, and I was interested in watching, but with the visual portion of the video being mostly you talking into the camera, I didn't stick around to watch past the first 30 seconds. The rest of the material was probably great, but I want to see what you're talking about a lot more than just hearing about it.
Good luck, and I hope your channel grows quickly. Maybe enough to get an editor to do the visual portion for you if that's not really your thing.
Heyy, thanks a ton. I'm always open to feedback, there's still so much to learn. I appreciate you letting me know, it makes total sense. I'll make sure to take that into account for my next vid :)
3D animation requires mostly computer programming skills. Classic Bluth/Disney 2D animation requires an insanely high level of artistic skill and knowledge. In 3D you can bullsh*t and get away with a lot, with 2D there’s little to no room for bullsh*tting. You either know how to draw successfully or you don’t.
Hmm interesting take. I'm sure 3D requires some artistic skill as well no?
@@miguelmunuera2601 of course! But in 3D you spend an inordinate amount of time manipulating a graph editor - all those squiggly lines indicating the movement of objects in space - and it ends up being more of an exercise in tedious programming than art. In 2D, the only way to solve problems is through drawing/artistic knowledge. In 3D you can definitely do some magical stuff, but classic Disney 2D takes a whole other level of skill to achieve - which is why you see so little of it.
Wow okay I definitely did not know that. Thanks for the info man!
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There's a whimsical 3D short called "Water Lily" by Animatic that might interest you.
Thanks! I'll check it out :)
What's your view on 2d puppet and cut out animation?
They can both look quite good but they're not my favourite form of 2D. I think cut out is really cool though and can give some cool effects. What about you?
I find them ok if it's animate right and doesn't look stiff and robotic, I'm more for 2d and 3d animation.@@miguelmunuera2601
I never like the idea they try to kill the root of 2D animation to replace with 3D as its core roots. No, you cannot, now look what happened to Wish? Everyone of us celebrating the 100th movie hoping Wish to be 100% 2D, but they go with the 'cheapskate' & 'easy' move of using 3D while ignoring 2D itself. And just like how they decided to make a Snow White remake in live action instead when they could have just don't launch it at all in honor of the late Walt Disney's legacy.
Sure, 3D softwares make animations 'easier', but 2D animation is still a job too. A job with deep founding roots.
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Into the spiderverse showed what you can do with 3d while still making it fun and expressive.
EXACTLY!
In the years post-2011-Winnie the Pooh, at least Moana had a little bit of hand-drawn animation in it. Post-Moana, we also got Mary Poppins Returns in 2018, and Once Upon a Studio (and a few new Mickey, Goofy and Oswald the Lucky Rabbit shorts).
In the case of recent non-Disney/non-anime works that employ 2D in the Western world, there's the works by Cartoon Saloon, the recent lousy Space Jam sequel, The Bob's Burgers Movie, and a few others - even in one scene of the recent live-action Dora the Explorer movie.
And coming soon, we have a new Looney Tunes theatrical film coming later this year, The Day the Earth Blew Up.
By the way, I have plans to start my own 2D animation studio that shall capture the magic of old school Disney, making the viewer feel like they're watching a movie from the 80s, 90s, or 2000s, with content the modern weirdos shall falsely label as "outdated".
I can't wait to see what you do with your 2D studio!! And yes, there are some recent 2D examples. I'm excited to see the day the earth blew up!
Although I don't agree with everything, I really love your style. You've earned my like and subscription! As a self-instated animator, you know there's no escaping new techniques. I think in the end, many of us are getting tired of the typical 3D "Pixar" look. NPR for the win! Have you seen what Arc System has done? Their work is in video games, but the NPR is just incredible. It truly looks 2D. So, 3D is not the enemy... it’s about finding new ways to use it. Thanks for the vid!
I really appreciate this comment! I love how we can not agree on everything but still appreciate each other's views :) thanks so much for the support 🥹 I actually haven't seen what they've done! I need to check it out for sure, and you're right - 3D isn't the enemy. It's rather the lack of originality and creativity :)
Which one is the best? Hmmm I always thought it's a weird debate as a whole (but always interesting to heard XD).
People mostly forget that 2D animation and 3D animation are two MEDIUMS. Every artist/person has a preference about the look, about if they want to work in 2D ou 3D animation projects, but as mediums, they have their con and pro!
It's like asking digital vs traditional drawings or watercolor vs pencils vs markers! (yes, I took mediums that works really well together on purpose hahaha)
But like people, companies tend to forget about it too, that may be why 2D western movies with big productions are becoming rarer.
(I will talk more for movies here, tv series have less this problem, it may be because it's less "project done by this studio" but more "project proposed to studios to be make". The brand is less important in the process.)
In a perfect situation (what Disney and Dreamworks missed the opportunity to do it), each project should have the choice for the medium(s): the medium must be the best way to make the project, tells the story. Funny things is that more 2D animation projects evolved more to turn 2D and 3D pros to their sides!
But I do agree for now 2D has more savors. However it may make sense because let's not forget like you said 3D is younger than 2D plus it travels a periods of "everything must make huge profits" which causes 3D to stay as it is when 2D had more time to have its tries and fails multiplying the examples of "successful ways to make profits with it" to show to the ones who will give you money. Being younger + the period may be causing the copy/paste effect on 3D animation/CGI... ?
Ps: English is not my mother tongue so if some sentences are weirds, sorry, I did my best XD
Great comment! Really appreciate your thoughts haha, and don't worry, the English was great! ☺️
@@miguelmunuera2601 thanks!! ♥it's always a pleasure to exchange with animation fans!!
@@hanon880 I agree 😍
In my opinion, 3D only looks good if it has a style, and doesn't try to be realistic or whatever.
Think stuff like the Peanuta Movie and The SpiderVerse.
Or some 3D animated shows/or movies even try to be stop motion-like.
Like Nickelodeon's Big Nate (The show itself may be meh but the animation is gorgeous).
Another obscure example would be a video game, Neighbours from hell.
I dunno if anyone's has heard of it or not, but the animation in that game is so charming and feels like Looney Tunes.
So it all narrows down to the style.
Not the 3D itself.
Be more creative!
Don't be soulless like pixar XD.
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Couldn't agree more. It has to be unique and creatively styled in my opinion, to separate from the myriads of Pixar movies that look similar
2d animation is short of trying to make a come back at the big screen a little bit with films like the bobs burgers movie and loony tunes. The day the earth blew up, and the upcoming r rated movie directed by Gendy Tartacoksy “fixed”
True there have been some more interesting projects recently in the space!
I think it plays a role with the process in 2d animation, you have to do it by hand, you draw everything in every detail and that's the magic of it, 3d doesn't have that, yeah, it's amazing, really, it's very mechanical and the you do everything with a mouse on the computer, it doesn't have the magic of 2d and let's not forget that in 3d animation you have to know good things to get into the atmosphere and make everything they do in 2d, you can just draw with your hand
That's so true. I love thinking of the process that goes into handrawn 2D animation. Yes it can take long and it's very manual but that's what makes it gorgeous
In theory a movie where each frame is hand drawn individually allows for unlimited expression, in practice this has never been done. 2D animators are often cheapskates who will reuse frames and pictures and reduce motion wherever possible. And anything that moves has the most simple, nearly shadeless art style. Also to claim that 3d looks samey is ridiculous when everyone has a clear mental image when you say 'default anime character'
That's a good point. But reusing frames doesn't mean that it isn't a very creative medium :) haha that's true on the anime front
ok, 3D does not suck, I wouldn't even say it's worse, but we NEED 2D to come back too. we need both, we need balance. some of the best animated movies are 2D, and some of the best are also 3D, simply having one isnt good we need both.
I couldn't agree more. There needs to be more of a balance of both mediums, right now it feels like it's 90% 10% for 3D animated movies (in the west)
Im animating my own cartoon in 2D and i saw the video about 2D animation is dead and im scared about it
It ain't. Don't listen to that, I think 2D animation is alive and well, it's just evolving
People, stop saying 2D when referring to hand drawn animation else you'll be getting nothing but vector puppetry and cel shaded CGI.
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No offense. But I just am not into Disney films. I much like Pixar movies because they are shiny and not boring like Disney flicks. That's only because I was born in 1995. But I see where you're coming from. 3D anime movies are really bad because they look like video games. I do sometimes wish we could attempt more 2D works someday. We really had a thing when had movies like Atlantis or Treasure Planet. Then stopped. And 2D Flash based cartoons are ugly.
2D has more challenges. I can rush 3D animation. I can't rush 3D modelling nor can I rush 2D animation. Last time I rushed 2D my animation was wobbling like crazy!
I totally get it. The Disney classics aren't for everybody, but give them another chance! ;)
I do definitely wish there was more 2D animation in film recently. But as you said, it's just so much harder and takes more time to do
But stopmotion is my favorite form of animation 😢
Honestly it's a great medium haha I don't blame you
There are certain things that you can only do in 2D animation: for example, the hosepipe-limbed antics of the 1920s do not translate well into 3D.
And to be fair, there are some things that 3D can do that 2D doesn't. The sprawling vistas and panoramic longshots of the Land of the Dead in Coco were absolutely spectacular. (You can do something similar in 2D but it doesn't quite work.)
But outside of certain moments like that, I can't for the life of me think of a whole 3D film that either Pixar or Disney have come up with in the last 30 years that wouldn't have looked just as good, or frankly better, in Disney's traditional 2D style.
The Incredibles was designed in an angular style in an homage to the superhero comic-book...why wasn't it animated in 2D in the actual style of a comic-book?
I know that Disney had to shut down their traditional cel-drawn animation studios due to budgetary reasons, but they were making great strides in digital ink-and-paint. The animated sections of Enchanted looked amazing.
I agree completely. It would be an interesting video to see what 3D movies would look better in 2d
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0:40 I disagree, personally I'd say Stop-motion is the king of the animation hill.
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@@miguelmunuera2601 I don't really have a good answer to that I just prefer Stop-Motion over CGI or traditional animation. Both types are still good tho.
@@ideah4773 fair enough honestly! It's a great medium too :)
also ICE AGE even if it was 3D it was amazing :'),
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I love both, but it feels like there's so much disrespect to 3D. It was the only medium for almost a century, and then 3D becomes prominent and 2D fans dragged it terribly. It's heartbreaking.
Yeah I get that. Honestly it's not even that 3D is bad, it's just the lack of diversity in western animation over the past 20 years that's pretty frustrating. The industry forgot that 2D existed, which is a shame
@@miguelmunuera2601 It's just the "new, young thing" situation; some 2D 2000s films flopped due to competition from 3D (though as a 2000s kid, it was moreso uninteresting writing that made that made these Disney and Dreamworks films flop), and it seems that hybrid animation could be the next 3D--but given it's experimental style and disorienting visuals at time, I think it should be used sparingly.
@@OpticalSorcerer I definitely agree with your takes for sure. Let's hope it does get used sparingly and there are still pure 2D and pure 3D films, the more diversity the better
Rebuttal: Spider-Man: Into (And) Across the Spider-Verse.
Mentioned at the end of the video ;)
Since I got interest on anime since 2021,I gotta admit that 2D animation is way better than 3D(I only prefer 3D on gaming these days),especially for a person that don't watch many animated movies like I to used to.
PS: Animation is a medium,NOT a genre. Mark my words.
You're right haha that was a slip of the tongue, it is indeed a medium! ;)
I agree
Hell yeah
@@miguelmunuera2601 There is something to 2d in movies like… Klaus. That movie’s animation was great. I’m fine if the background in a 2-D movie or 3-D, but I prefer to have the main animation be 2D
Oh my god yes what a great example. Klaus is AMAZING. And they do a specific technique with 2D that makes it look 3D, it's quite cool honestly
A background in a 2d film was 3d but I prefer to have the character animation be 2d
3D animation was awesome until 1998
Now that is a hot take 😳
I want to feel like I'm in the 20th century
Honestly who doesn't..😂
Toy Storyis still an enjoyable movie for its comedy and storytelling. Its not about how it looks sure the movie looks out of place because it came out during the growth of 3d technology
And it got so much money for how unique it was.
Seems like you only care about how a movie or shows looks then how they present themselves
It is 100%. It's a classic, the only point I was making was that 3D doesn't age as well as 2D. Don't worry, I wasn't attacking toy story as a quality movie 😉
I create both 2D & 3D animation .
The problem with 3D animation is the mindset of the 3D animators themselves.
Most of them try so hard to emulate the “Disney/Pixar” look and ignore all of the unlimited stylized options that 3D model designs can offer.
Hence the boring ,formulaic, Pixar wannabe “Cute stuff” from the Blender community for example
…or they go for ultra photorealism using Mocap and 4K rendering and ZERO original story or Character development
and we are treated endless boring short sci fi clips
or Star Wars fan films
like we so often see from the Unreal Engine “Filmmaker community”.
facts!
Hola Miguel. I like the point you made in this video. I truly appreciate the authenticity of your thoughts but I think you are making the same mistake as every new RUclips channel starters do. Don’t try to please people with complex sentences. Just try to use simple understandable words. Also, don’t try to pause the video each time you make a pronunciation mistake. Just put the correct spelling in the corner somewhere in the video and we will get it. English also isn’t my native language so I understand your concerns about sounding as natively as possible but I think small mistakes can be seen as cute little missteps ☺️ Or I am wrong and you are just getting too excited in front of the camera. But those misspellings add even more cuteness to you imo 😊😇 Also try to look at the camera more whilst talking. I guess you have to memorize the script for that😅 I hope you are gonna see these as friendly suggestions. Overall, liked the video!
Hola!! Thank you very much for the thoughts and tips :) I actually really like using cool vocab in my vids and all! It's not really for pleasing haha and yeah for the mistakes I highlight them for comedic effect but I understand that maybe it isn't funny for everyone 😅 you're right about looking at the camera! I'm definitely working on that, and on improving my videos as much as possible in general :) thanks so much for this comment ♥️ I'm really glad you enjoyed it too 🥹
2D brings us into a fantastic world that is so nostalgic and fun that it cannot be replaced.
Not to mention, the level of expression some of the characters in my favourite 2D movies and shows convey can’t compare to their 3D rivals.
Well said
Couldn’t agree more!! 👏🏻
Tell this to Digital Circus.
exactly, this man gets get it!!!
Appreciate it 🙌
I definitely agree, the artistry of 2d animation is a lot better. And it saddens me so much that mostly now all western animation studios only make 3d animated films. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t hate it. But when it comes to the point where it is the only form and only art style of animation in the western side of things, that is not good at all. And I believe it removes the purpose of what animation is supposed to be. One of the beauty of animation is it’s unique form that can allow a director to express themselves and express this world that they had created. Including that animation comes in many forms, that should all be distinctive. 3d animation was really only Pixar’s style, but everyone else copied them. And I feel that now coming forward to this generation, especially companies like Disney, 3d animated films only major purpose is to save money, time and work. And it is so sad to see a lot of animated studios to fall into this trap.
Couldn't agree more. Studios are only doing 3D cause it's cheaper..which is so dumb. They're sacrificing the beauty of 2D.
When you look at the 3D animated films that have come out of Disney recently, apart from Toy Story 4 I have no idea which ones were made by Disney and which ones were made by Pixar. Is there even a difference now, or is Pixar just the Disney animation department?
@@cybertramon0012 they are clearly going for the same style lol there ain't no difference
Recently watched Bird boy and wow yeah 2D is just unmatched when its used to its full potential. Im actually gonna hold a exam speech at my school about why 2D animation is a much richer art form.
Hell yeah love that! Hope it goes amazing
@@miguelmunuera2601 I appreciate it!!!!! Great video btw
@@Untitled_-_Productions. Thanks a ton! Check out some of my others if you ever get the chance :)
@@miguelmunuera2601 Do you mind if I use your video as one of the sources in the exam?
@@Untitled_-_Productions. Of course not! Feel free to use it :) I'd love that. Let me know how it goes
Thank you. 2D art will always be better than 3D art for me. So much more skill and technique is applied and can be appreciated under illustrations and 2d animation.
Hell yeah 😍
I dare you to say something positive about Thomas And Friends: All Engines Go.
😂😂😂
2.5D is my fav.
It's so good..
So does that mean really good movies with Cgi have bad animation? Lol Godzilla minus one had the best CGI animations bc it captures the Shodaigoji suit perfectly ( the ShodaiGoji suit was heavy as hell so it had a limited amount of movement!)
I'm more making the case that fully animated movies are better when 2D rather than 3D. Godzilla minus one is amazing from what I've heard 👀
@@miguelmunuera2601 i seen the movie more than 1x and yes its my dream to work at toho! And yea 2d animation is better than 3d at times
@@miguelmunuera2601 Rip to Heiesi Godzilla actor Kenpachiro Satsuma!
Let's just hope that the only 2d animated films nominated for this years academy award. suzume or the boy and the heron can win in the name of 2d animation.
I hope so but doubt it. Suzume is great but I think Nimona and Spider-man Across the Spider-Verse have better chances of winning. Deservedly so tbh, they're also incredibly movies
Some of you may find me crazy, but it is my dream to actually revive 2D animation to its former glory.
Thank you for speaking out about this.
I will 100% support you in this quest!!
Me an autist learning how to draw(maybe animate as well), "autistic expression", heck yeah brother!
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Hahaha glad you enjoyed the slip up 😅 hope you're successful in that! Learning to draw and animate is an amazing art :)
3d isn't bad as long it's not trying copy the Disney/pixar style all the time but I just hate how American companies replace 2d animated films with it and the if I had a choice I will always pick 2d
You're right. 3D can be done well but companies just do the same design over and over again I feel like
Why do people hate on 3d animation so much! 3d can also look amazing when done right! Httyd looks amazing. So does Moana and frozen. I feel like the problem here is illumination using cheap plastic looking animation and putting little effort visually! But not all 3d looks bad.
No no I never said it looked bad! On the contrary, 3D animation looks great. I just feel like it hasn't been used as creatively as it could've been. Moana, Frozen, HTTYD and other 3D movies recently just look so similar. Would love to see more innovation with 3D
I love 3D too its actually pretty beautiful when its done right its a really flexible tech for animation and i love 2D too its really unique and heartwarming
3D can be done well, true. Let's hope they put more effort into creativity!
You should watch Nimona
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I love both techniques. The Pixar movies are excellent for exemple ! And 2D is great too ! 2D still exist, there's still all the anime and ghibli movies ! But yes, It's a shame disney stopped doing 2D films :/
It still exists for sure but not in the west..
As someone one who is studying 3d animation, i can easily say that 3d animation is 10x easier than 2d or hand drawn animation. In 3d all you need is one character model, rigging and texturing and bam you can start animating. And other assets and environments could also be cooked up as well. Sure there are some steps to the process that are complicated but once you get your head around it’s actually not that bad and is just a wee bit time consuming.
2d animation or hand drawn animation takes much longer because you need to draw every frame and all the other objects as well, not to mention paint them. But the animation is amazing.
I have the same feeling with claymation as i do with 2d animation, it’s just really nice to see a different medium.
Yeah that makes sense why the west has switched exclusively to 3D and don't seem to do much of 2D anymore. It's honestly such a pity
No both animation has their own time an effort
3d animation is not easy sure it has benefits but its not easy
@@jakeystarsuper as someone who has been doing a course it’s actually kinda fun and Im not trying to diss 3d animation.
Ever watched Alex Henderson's animations?
No I haven't actually, does he do movies/shows?
@@miguelmunuera2601well, he does animated music videos, such as Alestorm and Gloryhammer, and recently he did get Benedict Campbell to reprise his role as King K Rool on a Donkey Kong Country fan short. He also has a pilot called Tales from Scorchwater Valley - The Rhino and The Redbill.
@@numbuh1507 what's the one thing you recommend I watch of him??
@@miguelmunuera2601 his pilot, The Rhino and The Redbill. It's stylized on cel shaded and with hand drawn backgrounds, and it's also something different from the excessively colored worlds of other indie animations like Digital Circus or Helluva Boss, with a much bleaker setting about surviving a drought.