Classic WoW: Rogue Speed Leveling Guide | Weapon Progression | Talents | Macros | Add-ons
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
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Dusting off the ol' twinkle toes and dippin back down in to some Rogue leveling!
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Intro: 0:10
Overview: 0:43
Financial Advising: 1:03
Talents: 4:01
Weapon Progression: 4:40
Gear Choices: 6:18
Macros & Add-ons: 6:43
Miscellaneous: 8:56
Outro:10:54
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Do lockpicking if you can, you will need lockpicking on 70 to be able to do the poison quests
Great stuff!
Thank you!
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Good info
With the alliance weapon progression though, those starting swords are acquired in the night elf zone- however you can only train them in storm wind so it’s a bit useless to statt
Run to SW and HS back.
Thanks for the video. I will find the most use out of the weapon locations
You should have mentioned that rogues have a slow start. Before lvl 20 - 30 pulling more than one mob means a run to the graveyard.
The higher you get in lvl the better it gets. Got to be patient.
Jean-Michel Nicolas im glad you mention this, but I really feel like that is common knowledge in Classic :P
I started my rogue today and it went great in the beginning. Now I'm lvl 12 though and sometimes get really pressured even by mobs that are my level (if high hp + high dmg). Fun decreases but I'm looking forward to getting to 20
Rogues are the worst 1 - 20 class in the game. At least paladins have good survivability and warriors have higher armor + hamstring kiting for elites or group quests. Rogues are quite solid levelers after about 40 though with their full tool kit, Sword of Omen, Vanquishers sword, Blade Flurry etc. I feel like Shaman are the reverse, very strong in the low levels and pretty awful 40 - 60.
There are some tricks to make rogue 1 - 20 painless though. The biggest thing is a powerful weapon. Buy a level 6 green dager and another really nice dagger for 12 and 16 (AH and BS crafted). My last Night Elf rogue I did 1 - 20 in 7hr30min with one death. Painless. Another trick is duo leveling. Rogues are extremely strong if you can reliably backstab and don't have to take all the heat. Rogue/Druid, Rogue/Shaman and Rogue/Paladin all level *extremely* quickly together.
Personally going to level combat dagger. Been trying it out recently and it feels a little bit nicer, than Sinister Strike, scaling alot better from the weapons, and being quite easy to set up once you get Gouge, especially vs neutral enemies pre-cheap shot.
Backstab, wait for energy, gouge, backstab, evisc, usually enough to kill most enemies if your weapon is not too far behind your level. (I will still put 2 points into SS, for when gouge fails, since I value -5 energycost over 2% dodge.
P.S. Also going to duo-level part of the way atleast, with a druid, allowing me to spam backstab and just letting loose a tidalwave of dps.
SpielMitMirSession hell yeah man, seems like you’ve got it figured out!
@@Atacas Not everything, I appreciate most of your guide and will take it in consideration while leveling, only my particular taste of weapons differing. ;)
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SpielMitMirSession thanks man! Thats what all content is for, there is no ONE way to play, just gotta take a few aspects from everyones take on it :)
This works just make sure you got a decent MH dagger, swords and maces tend to last longer while leveling.
what a nice and decent guide! Id like to level rogue and if i do it will help alot!
you forgot the little thrash blade ofc
Payo strictly easily soloable content ofc
BRD Quest sword is fantastic main-hand 20-35.
BFD?
Lvl 21 get outlaw saber from aquarnis in bfd. You can solo him around 28
Amazing Guide - I love to see more of your work and guides for all the classes in Classic :D
Flipperguylol thank you!
Imo if your going sword rogue (horde or alliance) grinding dual cruel barbs by level 19 (without overdoing the grind, if you cant get the drops dont keep going for it over and over beyond that xp/time barrier) is sooooo worth it. They will usually be quite effective dps wise until your mid 30's, and organizing groups to do deadmines isnt that hard unless your on an empty server.
Even if your on an empty it may be worth considering, if your an engineer w. Target dummies you can probably solo deadmines around level 24-27, it will take learning a few tricks and relying a bit on RNG to win the fight vs VC but the payoff can cut your kill time almost in half with the damage & + attack power of this weapon (human rogues should definitely get this weapon and 4/5 defias set relatively easily, the 1/5 missing being replaced by the westfall tunic, another peice of gear that can easy last you until your mid 30's. Once you hit your mid 30s you can start grinding unique drops from the mid game dungeons and get fully geared (by that I mean an item in every slot, like shoulders/helm/rings/amulet, and if your lucky or know where to find them, trinkets). It may be helpful to look up some guides to see what the good quest chains are that will give you good weapons mid-late game, as a rogue is highly weapon dependent.
Thanks for the video
i almost can fully agree on the build :P I would play a 14 / 37 Build for fast leveling.
Picking 3 Points evasion instead of Gauge = more sustain also 2 points into Endurance = better mass pulls every 2-3 min for Blade Flurry. Also i would Max out Dual wield spec with 5 points and 5 points sword specialization.
Rentless Strikes i would not skill at all. I just made the experience when i use eviscerate the target dies anyways so the 25 Energy is quiet useless.
Good points! Thats definitely another solid way to go!
Relentless Strikes was more for energy rejuv and sustain during dungeon/raiding than leveling.
izidor Quiet useless? Nah, it’s noisy useless.
Any speed leveling guide without 2 points into lowering your sprint cool down is ridiculous
You don't want just any MH weapon going to your OH when you upgrade..., you ALWAYS want a high dmg slow MH and fast offhand.
As you're leveling grab the best offhand you can regardless of type, don't force a bad sword over a mace that does more dmg. Daggers are fine too, and it's usually easier to find a fast one compared to a sword or mace.
A dagger MH spec isn't out of the question if it's a rare at your level, otherwise swords or maces is a better spec for leveling.
Why is this the case? Does the slow MH and fast OH have something to do with poisons?
The higher the MH weapon dmg, the higher your sinister strikes will hit for. A fast offhand is better for energy regeneration.
And with sword specialization, would you rather a free high dmg hit or low dmg?
Kimic Fast off hand also helps with poison application if I recall correctly. Basically think of your main hand as your top end damage tool, and your offhand as your on-hit assistance.
The Bandage/Gouge macro is really good but really bad
yeah cause sometimes the gouge will miss and you waste a bandage
I've also had times where the gouge went off and the bandage started but then immediately stopped so I was left with gouged target and the bandage debuff.
@@Hinaguy749 same, it's kinda unreliable
how you could have a list of easy to obtain weapons from quests and not list the Thrash blade is beyond me. Not to mention the Sword of omen as well. These will last you 10 levels easy and in the case of Thrash blade you can literally still use it at 60. They are both quest rewards.
Joseph because, as I said in the video, this is focused on solo play, not doing anything involving groups :)
Sub daggers rogue is about as fast as combat if you know how to play the rogue tbh. The time difference is marginal, the key is having the best possible daggers.
so i do some things a little different i open with cheap shot and use my slice and dice with two combo points. i noticed you said to get full combo points and used slice and dice. My question to you is why do that when you have the duration shorter for a grp of two or three enemies and try to utilize the combo points for eviscerate whilst blade furry is up. Im not trying to argue just curious as to your methods since they do seem to differ from my method that i believed to be the faster way to burst down enemies and also keep my health higher between pulls.
Do you plan to complete guides for each class?
Classic Badd i do! But i will have to enlist the help of some others who are more knowledgeable than I with other classes, so if you know someone let me know!
@@Atacas hunter guide when?
Which is better daggers or sword and backstab or sinister strike
there are some things about the talent build which i want to address:
- you should mention that it the first 2 talent points should go into Remorseless Attacks and after that you can go into the combat tree
- my experience showed me that its better to skip improved gouge and go into Lightning Reflexes(you dont want downtime and gouge will give you plenty) dodging on the other hand
lets you stay in combat and take less damage
-you should also skip any weapon specialization and go for Endurance and even more dodge
in general: dont go full combat (31 points) directly. just go to blade flurry and then again back in assassination
the crit and the crit damage will be more usefull than Adrenaline Rush in that point of time
I leveld a lot of rogues to 60 in like 5 Days even on a full server like elysium with that talents
pewpewdrry nice, thats one way you could do it, but I like mine more, to each their own though :)
Your method is only viable for a pve server. Should definitely spec into imp gouge so you can get away from others and restealth. Also unless you plan on having perfect pulls 100% of the time, gouge is also better for leveling to get away if you pull to many mobs.
Subbed at intro, I love all of these things
coming back, was Stun-lock back in the days so will have to learn how to behave again! LOL!!!!
cc bandage macro is bad: you miss a lot in classic and if you miss the gouge you get a bandage debuff instead
Bitter you also hit a lot in classic :D
What does it matter if you will die otherwise?
@@abraham_myshkin I doubt you will always die. Lots of options available: Drink a potion, evasion, vanish and sprint are all tools in your kit to avoid death.
Don’t be so bitter
Not Lockpiking while leveling is an absolute non sens...
Yes the first steps will make you lose 1 or 2 hours BUT after this you want to pickpocket every humanoid you're about to kill for extra money (almost doubling income of each mob) and FREE FOOD.
By pickpocketing all those mobs you will get A LOT of boxes so after reaching 75 you'll never have to look for any practice lockbox anywhere, you'll just up your skill by opening those boxes (while waiting for health regen, or waiting for a boat, or inside a inn just before disconnecting for a little irl rest - as you can send the boxes to an alt and send em again to your main and keep em in letter box), in which you'll get a bunch of FREE healing potions, sometimes greens and rarely a blue dagger (even an epice one on level 40+ mobs)
Thats one way to do it, but everything you just described seems like it would take an awful lot of time, I still believe that not leveling lock picking is going to be more time efficient. Not to mention the way I describe for how to get your gold is used by classes that don't have lock picking so if it works for them, I don't see how it couldn't work for Rogues, but I appreciate your input!
Awesome guide!
Can you please tell me where can I find the tier2 rogue artwork that you used in the video?
Alexandru Iordache BWL
good video
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Izalor Dantin np brother
Any recommendations for which professions to pick up early on and what to swap out for later on??
Most recommend getting skinning/mining. I Gather as you level, vendor the leather save the ore. Why vendor? Because everyone and their dog, cat, sister, long last aunt, guy named Jose, random hobo are going to be running skinning. The AH will be flooded with leather to the point where you will be better off just selling the leather to a vendor for your mount. Why keep the ore? Simple, Engineering. Its is bar none the strongest profession in the game for pvp. Some argue this goes to alchemy but everyone can use potions not everyone can use grenades. Its useful in pve as well providing things like a mobile repair/vendor for the raid and basic aoe. You might be thinking how can I store all this ore? Make a bank alt. Send him your ore. After 30 days the ore comes back to you automatically. It will then sit in your mail for another 30 days before its deleted. Simply don't let it be deleted. Send it back to your alt until your ready to process it all to power level your engineering. If you want to level fast like he said but be efficient at leveling your professions later you can search for a engineering guide and get nearly exact numbers on everything you will need for 1-300 engineering. Trust me go engineering on rogue and you wont regret it.
@Birdman PB Either that or the disenchanting materials they give might be worth more than what your selling them for. Enchanting isn't cheap and with phasing out of the way for many realms the amount of low level items funneling into he ah won't be able to keep up with demand for people trying to level the skill on alts or new characters.
@@Alphascrub_77 awesome info man thanks
So would I be using sword sword or sword mace or sword dag? That's my only confusion
Slow main hand, fast off hand.. always
If you're specced Sword spec you use two swords. daggers use two daggers.. Same with maces.
If you are pvping and you have something like Hemo. Then you can use a sword main hand and dagger oh if the stats/speeds are good. If you want a really good OH sword get Mirrahs song from Scholo questline.
Classic hype
Riiiiiiiight.......
6:30 idk about classic rouges too much, but in TBC pvp and arena which a lot of rogues will be doing, stamina is huge. If you plan to play arena in tbc classic socket all your blue gem slots with the blue +12 Stamina, with the amount of control you have, and now health. The damage loss in negligible. This video helped me level a rouge up pretty fast for tbc, thanks.
Hamstring kiting wasn't working great on the beta. Anyone confirm this is viable for crippling in pve?
jutting Forrest yeah the mob leeway that was in the beta makes cripple kiting and hamstring kiting almost null and void
I have one addon you forgot to add to make it faster speed run the addon is autogear
Swifty Healer thanks man! Thats a good one!
There is a vendor of Thistle Tea at the Manor?? 😱
jceledono just the recipe my dude
Atacas thanks bro :)
jceledono Np brother
Atacas And Bob’s yer uncle.
I hate combat spec, I'm gonna level subtlety with sword weapons and bleed kiting. Doesn't kill as fast maybe, but almost entirely eliminates the need to eat / bandage
the time you spend kiting you could be eating, and that's only needed every few mobs.
You missed /cast Riposte /cast Sinister Strike because while Riposte is worthless in groups, it's great while leveling and with that macro you never need to worry about whether you click Riposte fast enough.
Why not daggers?
Slow weapon in main hand is much more damage due to instant strikes
Daggers are an excellent way to level, it just more complicated than spamming Sinister Strike with swords for 200 hours so people don't like it. You can make a leveling build with 85% ambush crit chance and over 50% backstab crit chance. You can easily open with an ambush, gouge and the backstab most equal-level enemies to death. It's also significantly higher DPS if you're duo leveling or leveling in dungeon groups. You can also run dagger MH and sword OH and use a weapon-swap macro to hemo with a slow sword after your big opener if you'd like.
People are lazy.
Consider murder instead of improved poisons. Also for swords: Trash Blade is a must have as well as the Razorfen and SM blue swords.
I like the macros. Anyone have anymore ideas of useful macros? This is something I never really took advantage off enough back when I played WoW.
pickpocket when cheapshot
why can't i use swords ? only daggers
You need to learn from a weapons master.
Orc vs Undead for pvp which do you recommend?
No wrong choice here but I'd go for orc for stun resist
Snake McKlusky i agree, undead is the way to go if you want to bad manner people and eat them, orc is better for pvp though
As already said, undead is really strong vs warlocks and priests, but orcs' stun resist has a 100% uptime and helps counter other rogues, a few hunter(HARD counter) abilities, I think a mage ability, a warrior one, Paladins main cc, I think druids have a stun. warlocks have one I'm pretty sure?
So a short cc lock World of Roguecraft undead would probably be best, but overall pvp scenarios I'd go orc any day
Stealth macro isnt working for me in classic.. any thoughts?
I'm sure you've gotten this by now, but if not, move the "!" to precede "stealth", so that line should read: "/cast !stealth"
Does anyone have a macro for sinister striker/autoattack? The ones I found were for private servers and not working on classic...
i prefer facestabing for leveling, it's just way more burst dmg, and burst is what i need for leveling
If you're talking about frontstabbing, or using backstab from the front, I'm pretty sure they said that won't be possible in Classic :/ though I could be wrong.
@@Atacas
I talk about using backstab while straving through the mobs.
It worked on demo and retail too, so i am not sure about that.
@@bananajoe275 Yeah, thats what I was talking about as well, I'm saying that after the demo, I think they said they were going to change it so it doesn't work anymore :/
@@Atacas Can i have a source? I am not even sure if it is "fixable" at all, because it is relating to the serverlag. Unless they don't delay backstab, what would be horible, not only for frontstabbers, i don't know how they could fix this. I don't even know what's there problem with frontstabbing, it isn't even overpowered or something, just a bit more burst but also less dmg on the long run.
BaNaNa Joe if it is entirely related to server lag then that should be almost entirely fixed by having official Blizzard hosted servers and being able to play on a server that is hosted in your region, currently I’m at work but I will look for a source when i get off!
Combat daggers is great. Good at fresh 60
Speed level then pay for gold for your gear and gdkp then think you've mastered classic. 😅😅
Why no dagger spec and front stab?
@B-1LL Can you link a source confirming this?
@B-1LL I just got done with the classic beta. Trust me it's not a thing at all.
frontstabbing is not a thing in classic
There's a reason it is called backstab
Mmmm I do appreciate the effort but... not much information in this *guide* theres better guides for rogues.
spirit over stam on a pvp server? you a fool bro.. lmao stamina king in vanilla wow
andyfibb lol at rogues that even get hit in vanilla, l2CC bruh
The guy works out hard and plays wow eh.... Glad to see I am not a complete anomaly. Ha
Нихуя не понял, но было очень интересно
so.. you're telling poeple to level with a raid specc aye? lmao
i hope we CANT use addons...
Tassaya Gril haha that would be a change of pace and pretty refreshing actually
Tassaya Gril and have to stretch across your entire keyboard to hit spells instead? No thanks. Would make gameplay worse. Just get good.
Christian Oweifie hey now, keep it respectful, lets be nice to each other
u know people can just look up quest objectives location and other stuff in their phone while playing wow right? or if they have, on their second monitor lmao.... banning addons will be a useless effort.
Lol no addons 😂😂
L O L I stopped listening, at don’t level your lock picking.
cruel barb(alliance), outlaw sabre(horde), thrash blade, vanquisher sword missing from your list which are the only weapons you wanna use as combat sword leveling and you can also start raiding with thrash blade in mh and get mirahs song for your oh at end game. next thing, those macros.... it's not retail dude, won't work
o0TraceuR0o so, these guides are geared toward NOT doing dungeons and I only list weapons you get from questing, and I’m aware its not retail, the macros are geared toward when classic comes out, as I say in the video, they are written as they probably will work in Classic, with the game being made with the retail client, dude.
@@Atacas pretty speculative, dude. Why not listing weapons from dungeons though?
o0TraceuR0o because these guides are based around leveling solo and as quickly as possible, which wouldn’t include dungeons.
Macros will work differently in Classic than they did in vanilla.
Christian Oweifie correct, the way I wrote them in this video and my others is how I was guessing they would work in Classic and I guessed correctly, my latest video shows Warrior macros and how they will be written in Classic
Duo rogue backstab builds.
Those weapons are trash