**For the optional PvP style Hemo build, make sure to put 3/3 in improved sap, I accidently only put 2/3 in the video** Did the specs super fast, there might be some other mistakes too.
The combat leveling spec is better off without the 4 points in the poisons, less CD on Sprint and Evasion (2 points), and More damage on SS and Evis (2 points remaining) would be better than the poison choice.
I just watched this for nostalgia. I remember this summer so well and god damn how hyped I felt for classic wow. Such a good time reliving all the memories from middle school one more time.
First 2 talent points should go into remorseless Attacks, main benefit is for leveling, really shines early as well as it allows you to cut down on regen after you get a big crit off
Have to say, having played a combat rogue in Vanilla WoW, this was a pretty thorough video. Seen a few now, for the purposes of teaching newcomers to Classic and you're the 1st I've seen, to actually mention the slow MH and fast OH and explain why. Overall, a very detailed guide, explained in an easy to understand manner, so liked and subbed. Well done.
I'm a veteran player but kinda new to classic rogue. It always bugged me in the previous expansions that you don't stack combo points on yourself but rather on your target and sometimes they were wasted. I have never thought about salvaging those remaining combo points with slice and dice, maybe it's basic but I'm taking this, thank you very much. Happy launch tomorrow, everybody. 🙌
If you Macro /cast Pick Pocket into your openers you get to loot the mob two times after you kill it. You simply get the pick pocket loot after killing it since your other opener will cancel the pick pocket. Its real good :)
I've levelled several rogues in vanilla and always sticked to combat swords, mostly because everyone always said daggers would be way worse. This time around I wanted a different levelling experience and I'm levelling daggers. Level 40 atm and I must say it's quite amazing. Ambushings mobs for about 50% of their health pool is quite fun, followed by a gouge backstab and most mobs are done, then a remorseless attacks proc for the next ambush. With the auction houses being so flooded atm getting a dagger is pretty easy as well. Managed to pick up a gut ripper for 15 g(!). So I'd actually recommend dagger leveling. I'm outdpsing in dungeons as well
Crippling poison is good in offhand for grinding mobs that flee. It's saved me a bunch of times and is also useful in dungeons when you don't have a frost mage or a hunter using traps in the party.
Since we're talking about wow classic fresh nowadays: orc proved to be superior to undead quite a bit in classic. In TBC it's undead for sure since the stun resist got nerfed and arenas are the main thing, but in vanilla orcs are kings 100%
happy to know that my main on Classic is going in the correct direction. From launch day I grabbed a crappy 1 hander and got the sword trainer in Undercity. Since then I have been using stealth on back stab and a macro to change to 1 hand sword/dagger combo coming out of stealth. I keep both skills maxed this way as well. Thank you for the informational guide for a very viable, and fun, rogue spec.
Thanks so much for this quick guide with extremely valuable tips! As a complete beginner, I'm gonna follow through as best as I can from tomorrow on. Always been intrigued by the class but never made it work for me in retail.
@@iamlevik This is IMO the best PVP build that only gets better the more gear you get. Imp Sprint is more worthwhile than Cold Blood since it'll give you more value against Frost Mages. The 2% hit from Precision and having full Dirty Deeds is really nice too.
if youre fighting in a tight area and mobs are running away from you and pulling more mobs its definitely worth putting crippling poison on one of your weapons. it might be worth skipping improved sword spec and taking lowered cooldowns on sprint and evasion and improved sprint (for pvp) and using a sword mainhand and dagger offhand instead. this way you will level dagger and sword skill as you level up and have more utility from cooldowns while leveling too.. the 5% chance to get an extra attack is nice but not very reliable. and its a trade off being able to evasion and sprint more often will speed you up arguably faster anyway. also dont bother with 4 points in imp poisons or the 2 points in murder.. id take imp eviscerate (since you use it all the time) and ruthlessness since an extra combo point after a finisher can make all the difference. all of these tips are optional and the build he recommended will work. so i guess its just a question of if you want a bit more damage or a bit more utility.
I'm going to roll full sub simply because to me its the most fun. Also I expect to be heavily engaged in world pvp. I don't care how long it takes to level, To me that is one of the best parts of classic.
The two things this man was funny on: Stealth to Pickpocket while leveling & going Hemo before 60. There is a time and place for that. After level 50 once youre not hamstrunging yourself with stealth is the best time to prioritize pick pocket as well as going Hemo so you dont lack substantially in dps.
Punkrat, you forgot the most crucial part of swords during level'ing !!! Friendly tip here! - Go to stormwind in level 10 and buy a cutlass, they do 10-20 damage, or at level 14, buy a white sword Scimitar, they do 14-26 dmg 2.3 speed. these can be bought in stormwinds weapon merchant vendor :) !
*tip* I like to use 4-5 combo point snd when I’m in a cluttered area (mainly when you have a kill count quest). As you can kill 2-3 mobs in the duration of it, saves a lot of energy.
IMO pick up relentless strikes with the first two talents before building into combat. 40% crit to open almost every fight from 10-40 is worth getting all the combat talents two levels later.
I agree. I've been playing around with low levelling on a private server (to beat the zerg) if you don't put your first two point into relentless strikes, I promise you, you are doing it wrong.
Agreed generally, but I personally will spend points in combat until I get Riposte at level 20, because it's super helpful for soloing the Poisons quest if you proc it against the last mob (at level 20, even with Ambush taking him down to half health, you still need all your cooldowns to take him down, so Riposte is pretty huge if you want to be successful completely I've found). Then you can grab the 2/2 points in Remorseless Attacks and then switch back to Combat.
@@thatsawesomelol shadowmeld makes NE have the strongest stealth in the game, which is why NE is best rogue in 1v1 rogue matchup. you always get opener
i like combat daggers because i can still use the same skills as combat mace/swords but i can also open up with ambush/backstab for pvp knocking my target down to half his health before i even start in on them. and then also during dungeons i can use backstab behind targets or sinister strike if im just infront of them. the combat daggers is pretty awesome man
Just curious about how you feel on an ambush focused sword spec build? Build into improving ambush when viable for an opener then use a weapon swap macro to fight normally. You can get the energy regen on killing a target talent with your first 2 talent points as well for leveling. Respec when you can get bladeflurry into the traditional sword spec. Really all youre doing is saving 1 respec by not taking one of the best low level leveling talents
I'm playing HC classic and playing hybrid Sub/Combat. Got Ghostly Strike/Riposte (only lvl 35) and it is an evasion beast. I'm liking bleeds build because Slice n MIss, along with missing Eviscerate at 4 combo points, is demoralizing. The constant dmg of bleeds is more reliable and nice for kiting. Good information on here though. Thanks for the tips.
Wow - as a rogue player for 15 years it's pretty accurate. I think you should mentioned the famous pickpocket makro for leveling to make extra gold. And damn i'm proud - nearly nobody will believe me but i invent the hemo spec back in the days and everybody laughed at it at the time xD later in BC it was an overpowered arena spec and i was one of the first guys with my arena partner who hit 2,6k arenapoints. Keep up the good work!
@@jessieknoppert5027 oh sorry - i forgot xD /cast Pick Pocket /stopcast /cast Cheap Shot (or as an alternative Ambush) So everytime you're in stealth you use pick pocket before you use the opener. Makes a good amount of gold over the leveling process :)
Going Subtlety with improved Ambush and Remorselessness in Assassination is also a viable and fun spec, esp. for grinding. It gives your Ambush a 95% crit chance (so long as you kill the next mob within 20 sec). This means your opener always crits and takes the mob down to 50% health. And it's fun.
Lol, my rogue is an herbalist and I've never once used fadeleaf to make blinding powder, and I have an excess amount. Just pickpocket every humanoid mob you come across. This is also the general strategy to keeping your pick locking skill up to date.
Here's something most people don't know about Elf Rogues. The shadowmeld racial boosts stealth, basically giving you 1 point in Master of Deception which allows you to have 6 points in the talent if you max it out, meaning you will out stealth every other rogue giving you the opener which is a big advantage in PVP, so technically they are not by any means the worst race for the class, but people don't know that because the character creation menu doesn't explain this fact. Every video I have seen on Rogues and racials fails to explain this.
Blake Solomon || Guide follows relatively the same route, though you might forego taking the parry+riposte and instead get increased crit chance on backstab in the same tree (and invest spare points wherever you desire, since they’d go into utility). You’d also take dagger specialization instead of sword specialization. After already leveling a rogue to 60, my biggest concerns while leveling and end game are threat. Being dagger rogue has the issue of having huge damage spikes in the opener from ambush and high crit Chance backstabs, making it hard for tanks (or dps, if you’re questing) to pull agro back off of you. Having agro means no backstabs, and your auto attacks and sinister strikes will be much weaker than sword spec. You can off-put the risk by waiting more time to let tanks pool threat, but by then you risk simply doing less damage altogether. It’s a hard balance. Not to mention, at level 60, solo content and grinding is ass in phase 1 as dagger rogue because of your reduced output with sinister strike and slower kill times lining up ambush every fight. Even higher amounts of poison procs doesn’t have too big an impact overall on higher level mobs, given their higher resistance to nature in raids, and a fair amount of elemental bosses/mobs being straight immune- and if you’re horde, sword spec will benefit more from windfury totems.
You should not follow the talent order stated in the video. After picking 2/2 imp. sinister strikes att level 11, go to assassination and get 2/2 remorseless attacks. after remorseless go back to the combat tree. 2/2 remorseless attacks gives 40% crit chance on your sinister strikes/backstab after killing a mob and is a must while early leveling.
If you get a good dagger like meteor shard, spending 3 points on improved ambush can be worth it. Macro weapon swaps into your spells so you can swap to a slow sword after the burst.
Don't sleep on rank 1 slice and dice. I use it immediately after my opener while leveling and gain a lot more energy for combo points. Stuff dies fast, like 2-3 levels higher than me. I use eviscerate below 25% hp only and never burn 2 points on it. Just use SnD , 20% is is a lot. Additionally, I use combat spec sword/dagger combo with a 1.4 or 1.5 dagger speed. I play horde on a pvp server and use crippling poison, main hand, level 25.
DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES BUY FADELEAF FOR BLINDING POWDER! pick pocket everything and level your lock picking to max each lvl with the junkboxes mobs carry. You will get tons of blinding and flash powders as well as all your poison mats (except the vials) and healing pots. This will always keep you in consumables as well as saving you tons of gold and possibly your life. (Seriously those healing pots are pog)
Hey nice video! Could you please write the addons you use for the frames to be squared on ur name and enemy names and the font or addon for those beautiful numbers for showing the damage? Thanks.
I'm between rogue or warrior man idk lmao! I'm not gonna be playing much so i'm leaning towards rogue since they prob level up faster than a warrior or idk
i like using rupture on mobs that run away when on low hp acnt tell you how many times it saved me when running away they die instead of pulling 50 mobs
i dont agree with the no slice 'n dice until 42... with poison on both weapons and opening with cheap shot into slice 'n dice, you're time to kill is much faster than anything else, and once you get points into sword specialization, it gets even stronger! :D else, great video
Hey dude awesome video liked and subbed. Quick question, for the hemo spec pvp you use swords right? Can explain why not daggers? Also can you use a sword mh and dagger off? Thanks!
@12:30 Wouldn't it be better to take Black Menace(dagger) instead of Sword of Serenity from the "In the Name of the Light" quest since Thrash Blade will be sought for the main hand?
Excuse me dear sir , but you forgot to mention pick pocketing all humanoids before you kill them for extra loot+potions+ lockboxes for lockpick and , the sturdy and heavy junkboxes drop 2-5 blinding powers almost every chest , so fadeleaf is non required :)
My problem with Adrenalin rush and every long cd skill is that it's not constant. You are a beast in every 5 minutes and that's it. I'd rather put a point on a talent that gives bonus more often. A constant passive talent. A skill with lower cd, or a condition based passive which procs more often. The bonus won't be as high as with Adrenalin rush, but my power will be balanced across every enemies. But of course, it's just a single talent point. Blade Flurry is so-so, it has 1:45 cd after the previous 15 sec ended.
12:03 :Red silk banadanas is not one of the earlier quests in the defias chain. It's the last quest in the chain, and it's the one that you get off fighting the mobs inside deadmines. you are thinking of LEATHER bandanas, which would honestly be kinda silly, if you could get that weapon from fighting level 11-12 mobs.
Hey does anyone know for sure, you kill faster therefore level faster with swords instead of dagger? Say I keep upgrading my dagger st the AH, id still kill faster with swords than using backstab with dagger? Thx if anyone has an opinion
Do you not need precision? (hit talent) even for pvp dont you need 5%? i feel like i wanna go hemo but wont you be missing on mobs AND players without any hit increase?
Stone form is elite. For pvp especially in combo with cloak. Man I love being a vanilla rogue main. Listening to all this like “oh you ain’t gotta tell me”
Ok I watched the vid and I got all excited about the combat tree. I had never played rogue before so I was intrigued. I got a swing timer, got decent at using SS after auto attacks and was loving the blade fury. That being said, I watched your vid again and saw your 30+ talent rec... HOLY SHIT IS IT SO FUN! I got a good rotation down almost immediately and it's just a blast to watch their hp bar drop away. Thank you so much for this video! It's so helpful to people who have never played rogue before such as myself.
Do you get stuff that you wouldn’t be loot off the mob from pick-pocketing? Like say a mob drops a silver, but you pick-pocket him before you kill him, and get a silver. Would you only have gotten 1s if you did not pickpocket?
@Kurt Rustle its not an outdated belief. The issue is that private servers didn't implement the stun resist properly and now everyone, that played on pservers, thinks it sucks
Will of forasken was broken back in the days, it was even stronger in patches before 1.12, and breaking fears on purpose is sometimes better than counting on luck to randomly resist on a stun. I personaly prefer to have undead in pvp.
Pinkrat I'm making a night elf rogue is this a bad choice and why? Because I want the best output for a rogue and if human is the way to go for best combo building etc then I guess I will but night elf's for shadowmield and quickness isn't that valuable at all?
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**For the optional PvP style Hemo build, make sure to put 3/3 in improved sap, I accidently only put 2/3 in the video**
Did the specs super fast, there might be some other mistakes too.
You make great videos I dont know how you only got 20.000 fucking subs man!
@@meta6287 SJ Dubs.... 😑
The combat leveling spec is better off without the 4 points in the poisons, less CD on Sprint and Evasion (2 points), and More damage on SS and Evis (2 points remaining) would be better than the poison choice.
Love your attention to detail.
Is there a text guide version of this video somewhere?
I just watched this for nostalgia.
I remember this summer so well and god damn how hyped I felt for classic wow. Such a good time reliving all the memories from middle school one more time.
First 2 talent points should go into remorseless Attacks, main benefit is for leveling, really shines early as well as it allows you to cut down on regen after you get a big crit off
Have to say, having played a combat rogue in Vanilla WoW, this was a pretty thorough video. Seen a few now, for the purposes of teaching newcomers to Classic and you're the 1st I've seen, to actually mention the slow MH and fast OH and explain why. Overall, a very detailed guide, explained in an easy to understand manner, so liked and subbed. Well done.
I'm a veteran player but kinda new to classic rogue. It always bugged me in the previous expansions that you don't stack combo points on yourself but rather on your target and sometimes they were wasted. I have never thought about salvaging those remaining combo points with slice and dice, maybe it's basic but I'm taking this, thank you very much. Happy launch tomorrow, everybody. 🙌
If you Macro /cast Pick Pocket into your openers you get to loot the mob two times after you kill it. You simply get the pick pocket loot after killing it since your other opener will cancel the pick pocket. Its real good :)
how do i do that? wouldnt it require being stealth? im lvl 19
I've levelled several rogues in vanilla and always sticked to combat swords, mostly because everyone always said daggers would be way worse. This time around I wanted a different levelling experience and I'm levelling daggers. Level 40 atm and I must say it's quite amazing. Ambushings mobs for about 50% of their health pool is quite fun, followed by a gouge backstab and most mobs are done, then a remorseless attacks proc for the next ambush. With the auction houses being so flooded atm getting a dagger is pretty easy as well. Managed to pick up a gut ripper for 15 g(!). So I'd actually recommend dagger leveling. I'm outdpsing in dungeons as well
and what's the meta slaves are hiding from us. actual fun and non-mainstream ideology being of the same relevance.
absolute classic since the dawn of gaming. Never trust Metaslave , ever.@@degenwow
thx for wise words@@baronnashor158
I agree. It's also a lot more fun and ambush crits are so satisfying :)
Dagger leveling is awful lol
Main problem with leveling rogues in wow. Skipping way too many mobs while questing with stealth.
putting stoneform below escape artist is a bold move
Dwarf master race.
Insane lmao dwarf is easily bis pvp
Had my mind set on rogue since reveal.
12 days- oh I cannot wait any longer
Crippling poison is good in offhand for grinding mobs that flee. It's saved me a bunch of times and is also useful in dungeons when you don't have a frost mage or a hunter using traps in the party.
Since we're talking about wow classic fresh nowadays: orc proved to be superior to undead quite a bit in classic. In TBC it's undead for sure since the stun resist got nerfed and arenas are the main thing, but in vanilla orcs are kings 100%
happy to know that my main on Classic is going in the correct direction. From launch day I grabbed a crappy 1 hander and got the sword trainer in Undercity. Since then I have been using stealth on back stab and a macro to change to 1 hand sword/dagger combo coming out of stealth. I keep both skills maxed this way as well. Thank you for the informational guide for a very viable, and fun, rogue spec.
Would you mind posting the macro you use?
@@Obfuscator1085 /equip (name of item) add another /equip (name of item) if changing for different stats
Thanks so much for this quick guide with extremely valuable tips! As a complete beginner, I'm gonna follow through as best as I can from tomorrow on. Always been intrigued by the class but never made it work for me in retail.
it may be suboptimal but i will be leveling my rogue with 3/3 improved Ambush for the satisfying openers in world PVP
Hits like a train, can almost 1 shot my own level
@@iamlevik This is IMO the best PVP build that only gets better the more gear you get. Imp Sprint is more worthwhile than Cold Blood since it'll give you more value against Frost Mages. The 2% hit from Precision and having full Dirty Deeds is really nice too.
Huh, ive been using 1 combo point slice and dice since I unlocked it and figured out how it works then normally go for 3 or 4 point eviscerate
Lol me too
@@JoeKing69 i can now say that not using slice and dice early is a good idea lol
I went combat maces because blue maces are like 3 gold where as the swords at 50g and rupture everytime and let the mace stun give the avoidance
Man...i was struggling pretty hard then i found this and my leveling has definitely sped up! Appreciate the video!
Great video. Glad to see someone else repping the sub spec post 30. It's so much fun
It is insane how much quality content you put out there for the classic hype. Keep it up. Learned a lot of valuable tips and tricks.
I hope you're still having fun playing this game. I appreciate the videos for help.
if youre fighting in a tight area and mobs are running away from you and pulling more mobs its definitely worth putting crippling poison on one of your weapons.
it might be worth skipping improved sword spec and taking lowered cooldowns on sprint and evasion and improved sprint (for pvp) and using a sword mainhand and dagger offhand instead. this way you will level dagger and sword skill as you level up and have more utility from cooldowns while leveling too.. the 5% chance to get an extra attack is nice but not very reliable. and its a trade off being able to evasion and sprint more often will speed you up arguably faster anyway.
also dont bother with 4 points in imp poisons or the 2 points in murder.. id take imp eviscerate (since you use it all the time) and ruthlessness since an extra combo point after a finisher can make all the difference. all of these tips are optional and the build he recommended will work. so i guess its just a question of if you want a bit more damage or a bit more utility.
This.
Doing this you still level combat?
There’s no way it’s worth the bag space to have spirit gear for health regen
1-2 pieces with high spirit can make a big difference
its just an option really. i use alot of runecloth bandages during my grinds. probably a waste of money.
usually better then the cost in gold from using 5000 bandages from 1-60
@@samljer damn
I use 4 pieces that have super high spirit
I'm going to roll full sub simply because to me its the most fun. Also I expect to be heavily engaged in world pvp. I don't care how long it takes to level, To me that is one of the best parts of classic.
thinking about the same thing really
This is my opinion as well. Good guide. But I suspect i'll be running into a lot of PvPness along the way which is part of the fun :-)
who told you it was a good idea to turn the volume up 200% for your outro music :P
Gouge + Bandage is a rogues best friend while leveling.
The two things this man was funny on: Stealth to Pickpocket while leveling & going Hemo before 60. There is a time and place for that. After level 50 once youre not hamstrunging yourself with stealth is the best time to prioritize pick pocket as well as going Hemo so you dont lack substantially in dps.
Well if you go hemo early you should also have improved stealth for the increased move speed so stealthing to lockpick isn't so bad
Very nice video!! Thanks for this alot! Plus the sword information at the end! Really good!
Absolutely superb breakdown and explanation. Well done Punkrat.
Punkrat, you forgot the most crucial part of swords during level'ing !!! Friendly tip here! - Go to stormwind in level 10 and buy a cutlass, they do 10-20 damage, or at level 14, buy a white sword Scimitar, they do 14-26 dmg 2.3 speed. these can be bought in stormwinds weapon merchant vendor :) !
skipped purposely, many will not want to spend their hard earn gold at that level. Its also not necessary, you will pass that level quite fast
Love hemo/combat. Macro swaps dagger in mh when in stealth and then sword again when using hemo. Ambush opener on cloth/leather mobs, stun on others.
*tip* I like to use 4-5 combo point snd when I’m in a cluttered area (mainly when you have a kill count quest). As you can kill 2-3 mobs in the duration of it, saves a lot of energy.
IMO pick up relentless strikes with the first two talents before building into combat. 40% crit to open almost every fight from 10-40 is worth getting all the combat talents two levels later.
I agree. I've been playing around with low levelling on a private server (to beat the zerg) if you don't put your first two point into relentless strikes, I promise you, you are doing it wrong.
remorseless attacks, not relentless strikes
Agreed generally, but I personally will spend points in combat until I get Riposte at level 20, because it's super helpful for soloing the Poisons quest if you proc it against the last mob (at level 20, even with Ambush taking him down to half health, you still need all your cooldowns to take him down, so Riposte is pretty huge if you want to be successful completely I've found). Then you can grab the 2/2 points in Remorseless Attacks and then switch back to Combat.
Brian it would help if I read lmao. Thanks for the correction.
@@dannywinter3837 well you can just complete that quest later and just respec at 30 for blade flurry
NE Rogue is just so cool tho man. I can’t resist the allure.
yeah bro shadowmeld is such a good spell to have when u have infinite stealth on a rogue
@@thatsawesomelol shadowmeld makes NE have the strongest stealth in the game, which is why NE is best rogue in 1v1 rogue matchup. you always get opener
i like combat daggers because i can still use the same skills as combat mace/swords but i can also open up with ambush/backstab for pvp knocking my target down to half his health before i even start in on them. and then also during dungeons i can use backstab behind targets or sinister strike if im just infront of them. the combat daggers is pretty awesome man
Just curious about how you feel on an ambush focused sword spec build? Build into improving ambush when viable for an opener then use a weapon swap macro to fight normally.
You can get the energy regen on killing a target talent with your first 2 talent points as well for leveling. Respec when you can get bladeflurry into the traditional sword spec. Really all youre doing is saving 1 respec by not taking one of the best low level leveling talents
Cant switch weapons infight
I'm playing HC classic and playing hybrid Sub/Combat. Got Ghostly Strike/Riposte (only lvl 35) and it is an evasion beast. I'm liking bleeds build because Slice n MIss, along with missing Eviscerate at 4 combo points, is demoralizing. The constant dmg of bleeds is more reliable and nice for kiting. Good information on here though. Thanks for the tips.
Wow - as a rogue player for 15 years it's pretty accurate. I think you should mentioned the famous pickpocket makro for leveling to make extra gold. And damn i'm proud - nearly nobody will believe me but i invent the hemo spec back in the days and everybody laughed at it at the time xD later in BC it was an overpowered arena spec and i was one of the first guys with my arena partner who hit 2,6k arenapoints. Keep up the good work!
What's the macro?
@@jessieknoppert5027 oh sorry - i forgot xD
/cast Pick Pocket
/stopcast
/cast Cheap Shot (or as an alternative Ambush)
So everytime you're in stealth you use pick pocket before you use the opener. Makes a good amount of gold over the leveling process :)
What are your addons for the combat text and combo points? :0
Going Subtlety with improved Ambush and Remorselessness in Assassination is also a viable and fun spec, esp. for grinding. It gives your Ambush a 95% crit chance (so long as you kill the next mob within 20 sec). This means your opener always crits and takes the mob down to 50% health. And it's fun.
Can you share your spec?
That's what I am wanting to do. Also get ghost strike for dodge
Any punkrat would you advise for your first two talent points go into remorseless attacks and than go into the combat tree? Thanks love your vids
Wow! What an awesome Rogue guide! Could yo show it also in action? Soms bg Rogue commentary? Maybe als from more classes? Thanks alot!
I CANNOT IMAGINE MY LIFE WITHOUT AMBUSH
Lol, my rogue is an herbalist and I've never once used fadeleaf to make blinding powder, and I have an excess amount. Just pickpocket every humanoid mob you come across. This is also the general strategy to keeping your pick locking skill up to date.
oooooh thanks for the subtlety spec idea, you were reading my mind
I liked ambush spec while leveling.
Is it fastest? Doubtful.
Is it fun? Hell yes. Especially when you catch mages drinking after mass pulls.
You sir are a true rogue, sub ambush specc for life !
Haha, thats hilarious.
It's our duty as rogues to kill all aoe grinding mages after they've made the pull. Bonus points for letting the mobs finish the job
Dont count on it sr! We have a golden wand waiting for you lol
It’s an automatic critical if they are sitting too! Haha
Here's something most people don't know about Elf Rogues. The shadowmeld racial boosts stealth, basically giving you 1 point in Master of Deception which allows you to have 6 points in the talent if you max it out, meaning you will out stealth every other rogue giving you the opener which is a big advantage in PVP, so technically they are not by any means the worst race for the class, but people don't know that because the character creation menu doesn't explain this fact. Every video I have seen on Rogues and racials fails to explain this.
Unless you duel your human friend, as their perception ability will outrank your passive racial
@@Sleepgodxgood thing i'm not gonna be fighting any Alliance players. I always world pvp horde players
I’d love to see a dagger rogue guide. I know front stabbing doesn’t work, but I always play in a party so I am constantly using backstab/ambush
Blake Solomon || Guide follows relatively the same route, though you might forego taking the parry+riposte and instead get increased crit chance on backstab in the same tree (and invest spare points wherever you desire, since they’d go into utility). You’d also take dagger specialization instead of sword specialization.
After already leveling a rogue to 60, my biggest concerns while leveling and end game are threat. Being dagger rogue has the issue of having huge damage spikes in the opener from ambush and high crit Chance backstabs, making it hard for tanks (or dps, if you’re questing) to pull agro back off of you. Having agro means no backstabs, and your auto attacks and sinister strikes will be much weaker than sword spec. You can off-put the risk by waiting more time to let tanks pool threat, but by then you risk simply doing less damage altogether. It’s a hard balance.
Not to mention, at level 60, solo content and grinding is ass in phase 1 as dagger rogue because of your reduced output with sinister strike and slower kill times lining up ambush every fight. Even higher amounts of poison procs doesn’t have too big an impact overall on higher level mobs, given their higher resistance to nature in raids, and a fair amount of elemental bosses/mobs being straight immune- and if you’re horde, sword spec will benefit more from windfury totems.
Thanks bud! Solid video. Running my first rogue ever
I am level 58! this still was so helpful the whole way through
ive never leveled a rouge in BFA WOW. So playing one on classic will be my first. Looks like it will be fun
Make sure to choose Horde if you plan to PvP with it. ALWAYS
@@rudy1999 why
Excellent guide, info and presentation. Thanks
You should not follow the talent order stated in the video. After picking 2/2 imp. sinister strikes att level 11, go to assassination and get 2/2 remorseless attacks. after remorseless go back to the combat tree. 2/2 remorseless attacks gives 40% crit chance on your sinister strikes/backstab after killing a mob and is a must while early leveling.
So pumped for classic!
Same man. I haven't been this excited for a game in years.
@Punkrat Do you have a guide on where to actually level as a horde rogue? what area for what levels etc?
What addon is he using for the combat text and the cp? I like it.
10:33 you go without bracers :L
What is these Unit Frames? Which addon is it because it looks do amazing?
BEEN WAITING FOR THIS VIDEO THANK YOU PUNK RAT
If you get a good dagger like meteor shard, spending 3 points on improved ambush can be worth it. Macro weapon swaps into your spells so you can swap to a slow sword after the burst.
😂 I commented this before you said it.
Awesome guide! I’m about to respec and get my rogue right!
Don't sleep on rank 1 slice and dice. I use it immediately after my opener while leveling and gain a lot more energy for combo points. Stuff dies fast, like 2-3 levels higher than me. I use eviscerate below 25% hp only and never burn 2 points on it. Just use SnD , 20% is is a lot. Additionally, I use combat spec sword/dagger combo with a 1.4 or 1.5 dagger speed. I play horde on a pvp server and use crippling poison, main hand, level 25.
DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES BUY FADELEAF FOR BLINDING POWDER!
pick pocket everything and level your lock picking to max each lvl with the junkboxes mobs carry.
You will get tons of blinding and flash powders as well as all your poison mats (except the vials) and healing pots.
This will always keep you in consumables as well as saving you tons of gold and possibly your life.
(Seriously those healing pots are pog)
Hey nice video! Could you please write the addons you use for the frames to be squared on ur name and enemy names and the font or addon for those beautiful numbers for showing the damage? Thanks.
what's the addon showing dmg and combo points at 02:12? nice video btw
Anyone figured it out ?
the combo points looks like a weak aura
Swords is really nice, but its also fun running a 100% ambush build while lvling :P
never tried ambush improvement as lvling. is it better than dps:ing with swords?
Im between playing rogue, warrior or lock, but I think this video definetly tipped the balance towards a rogue. Great upload Punkrat!
I'm between rogue or warrior man idk lmao! I'm not gonna be playing much so i'm leaning towards rogue since they prob level up faster than a warrior or idk
all of the classes you mentioned scales very well with equipment.
Yes. But warrior is boring to level.
i like using rupture on mobs that run away when on low hp acnt tell you how many times it saved me when running away they die instead of pulling 50 mobs
Yup and you can also pool your regen and spam backstab or wait for the eviscerate.
alliance /sword of serenity vs horde/sword of omen...
looks like the devs loved the horde.
i dont agree with the no slice 'n dice until 42... with poison on both weapons and opening with cheap shot into slice 'n dice, you're time to kill is much faster than anything else, and once you get points into sword specialization, it gets even stronger! :D else, great video
This is exactly what I've been looking for! Thanks for the guide. I can't wait to gank and pickpocket my way through Azeroth!
Why not pick endurance? sprint for more travelling speed and a shorter evasion to pull more mobs at a time?
Me choosing a night elf rogue 👀
Me too, lvl 30 now
Jsut have fun ❤️
Watching this for classic classic 2024🤘🏻
I can't wait!!
Can you use backstab with a dagger in the offhand? I’m so dumb.
Hey dude awesome video liked and subbed. Quick question, for the hemo spec pvp you use swords right? Can explain why not daggers? Also can you use a sword mh and dagger off? Thanks!
@12:30 Wouldn't it be better to take Black Menace(dagger) instead of Sword of Serenity from the "In the Name of the Light" quest since Thrash Blade will be sought for the main hand?
Does sword spec apply to offhand weapons? Or should I use a dagger in off hand for faster white damage and poison procs?
Excuse me dear sir , but you forgot to mention pick pocketing all humanoids before you kill them for extra loot+potions+ lockboxes for lockpick and , the sturdy and heavy junkboxes drop 2-5 blinding powers almost every chest , so fadeleaf is non required :)
Thx 4 the nice guide!! Whats the name for the different combat number style? Looks cool 😋
My problem with Adrenalin rush and every long cd skill is that it's not constant. You are a beast in every 5 minutes and that's it.
I'd rather put a point on a talent that gives bonus more often. A constant passive talent. A skill with lower cd, or a condition based passive which procs more often.
The bonus won't be as high as with Adrenalin rush, but my power will be balanced across every enemies.
But of course, it's just a single talent point.
Blade Flurry is so-so, it has 1:45 cd after the previous 15 sec ended.
When leveling is it better to get parry / riposte before getting the improved hit chance? I seem to miss a lot
anyone know what addon is being used that changes dmg text style ?
NiceDamage - or at least it used to be.
you pound out that classic content like crazy.. keep them coming
I have sword spec and combat set but havnt found any decent swords and don't want to use AH
12:03 :Red silk banadanas is not one of the earlier quests in the defias chain. It's the last quest in the chain, and it's the one that you get off fighting the mobs inside deadmines. you are thinking of LEATHER bandanas, which would honestly be kinda silly, if you could get that weapon from fighting level 11-12 mobs.
Hey does anyone know for sure, you kill faster therefore level faster with swords instead of dagger? Say I keep upgrading my dagger st the AH, id still kill faster with swords than using backstab with dagger? Thx if anyone has an opinion
keep up the good stuff man. your doing awesome
How do i pickpocket?? i have it on my actionbar. i go stealth and when i am near a humanoid i hit the key but nothing happens
Do you not need precision? (hit talent) even for pvp dont you need 5%? i feel like i wanna go hemo but wont you be missing on mobs AND players without any hit increase?
Stone form is elite. For pvp especially in combo with cloak. Man I love being a vanilla rogue main. Listening to all this like “oh you ain’t gotta tell me”
God I missed this talent tree it’s far superior to me personally than retail right now
I learned a lot man! Thank you, great video, peace!
This guide can be applied to TBC 1-60? Most of guides that Im seeing doesnt use Riposte, is still a good skill?
Great guide. How about best professions?
Great video. Also, a ghostly strike doesn't get the credit it deserves. I loved that skill while leveling!
Ok I watched the vid and I got all excited about the combat tree. I had never played rogue before so I was intrigued. I got a swing timer, got decent at using SS after auto attacks and was loving the blade fury. That being said, I watched your vid again and saw your 30+ talent rec... HOLY SHIT IS IT SO FUN! I got a good rotation down almost immediately and it's just a blast to watch their hp bar drop away. Thank you so much for this video! It's so helpful to people who have never played rogue before such as myself.
I have leveled numerous rogues and I always return to Hemo. Ambush is just too good to ignore.
Do you get stuff that you wouldn’t be loot off the mob from pick-pocketing?
Like say a mob drops a silver, but you pick-pocket him before you kill him, and get a silver. Would you only have gotten 1s if you did not pickpocket?
Pick-pocketing has its own loot table, so pick pocket and then kill the mob won't leave you with less silver (or copper).
Putting Forsaken above orc Stun resist - M A D M AN
@Kurt Rustle its not an outdated belief. The issue is that private servers didn't implement the stun resist properly and now everyone, that played on pservers, thinks it sucks
@Borko Borkovic because a dead body is better...
Will of forasken was broken back in the days, it was even stronger in patches before 1.12, and breaking fears on purpose is sometimes better than counting on luck to randomly resist on a stun. I personaly prefer to have undead in pvp.
1337Maju Well UD does have +5 Edgelord! :P
@Kurt Rustle thats just not true. WoTF is an amazing racial. Orc stun resist is just better in more situations
Tfw ur already a committed night elf rogue 40 seconds into the vid lmao
I've seen some guides say night elf is best so idk what to pick....
Check Icy Veins guides. The Pve oriented Combat Rogue, there is only one race for it - Human (sword, mace specialization)
Bob23973 tfw i stopped playing a month ago cuz bored but nah sub all the way bruh
Pinkrat I'm making a night elf rogue is this a bad choice and why? Because I want the best output for a rogue and if human is the way to go for best combo building etc then I guess I will but night elf's for shadowmield and quickness isn't that valuable at all?
They look the best but play the worst