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There were a TON of effects just based on MC adds and having those adds provide buffs to your raiders. Also some of the adds that you could MC like the adds outside of Void Reaver were so broken that they could almost solo the boss.
There was a horde only buff from an NPC in a cage in camp Taurajo. One of the buffs you could get was a 25% armor buff that lasted 10 minutes. We would have summon teams set up there to summon our Patchwerk tanks. Many other guilds did this as well. There was also a 5 minute speed buff that gave 29% movement speed, which we used 1 time for our Gluth kiter (not worth the effort for the duration).
Yeah that armor was insane. When I was ranking on my Warrior alt, I used to queue up and fly to Camp Taurajo some times, and get that buff just before entering WSG. Having that extra armor and the thorns effect was hilarious vs other melee.
I used to have my hearth set for the inn there on every single one of my twinks and would get the buffs as soon as a Q would pop, the speed armor and thorns effect was pretty OP at low levels, id always be the FC jaha
@@lightner6924 its a surprise you have a guild at all, considering you've gotta belittle people about something that happened two years ago. you seem like a shit person to have around
As a healer, snowball spamming for Judgement of Wisdom procs was a super sweaty interaction. I remember Joardee even joking on a SWP stream that "Gigantique Bags" were required gear for their healers so they could carry the maximum number of snowballs.
it has just become so ridiculous. I rather go casually facerolling Dragonflight than play in such toxic min max environment - and this comes from someone who loved classic / private servers once
@@heyhelmar the mentality is the same in dragonflight especially when the expansion is new many players will quickly find the min max meta and play it till first patch nerfes it but they got better at removing tools from raids back then u could literally take any buff into a raid basicly
What I'm gathering is the World Buff collection was actually the hardest raid encounter in Vanilla, required a lot of coordination and teamwork and perfect timing, and if you died (or got dispelled) then better luck tomorrow. Ouch. I'm so glad that meta ended.
It was a pain and made it to where playing on your main was risky until the chronoboom came out late in classic. Really wish that was available upon release
It was only bad when dispelling became a big thing. Before people were being pieces of shit intentionally dispelling world buffs getting the buffs was easy
@@riv3ra625 I mean if you could play 30 hours a week and still didn't want to play your main for a fun yeah but I don't really consider that easy. That's kinda why Wrath was so good because you could still minmax but it wasn't a full time job to be fairly competitive
There is that buff in Blackfathom deep which wasn't that exciting but it gave you +15 more frost damage if you wanna get the most out of those frostbolts. Also it is technically a debuff so if you log off for tues/weds reset with all your buffs that one gets cleared!
I broke the world record onyxia kill speed by scouring my server for every hunter with 8/8 T2. The bonus had an egregiously low proc rate, but a massive 425ap to all hunters in the raid. And you could have multiple stacks up at a time.
The trollsblood butt chug was a little bit more intensive. You had to drink the potion out of form, so it was something that you needed to hit between powershifts. You had to cancel it between .4 and 1.00 seconds after entering form - any less and you miss an entire shred, any more and you miss a GCD window. But, that wasn't entirely it, either. Believe it or not there was actually a step too far for even the most dedicated feral main... The theoretical ideal pummeler enchant was Crusader, which you needed to swing out of form to fish for procs with. Good news - you were out of form every 4 seconds, bad news is with its haste buff up, it still has a 1.33 swing timer. Thankfully, we have WCB and its 15% attack speed able to drop that down to... 1.25 seconds. But, good news, there's also two Dire Maul librams that give you 1% more attack speed each, giving you a net swing timer of 1.24 seconds, or the ability to fish for a melee swing if you timed your powershift exactly within the batch window, every time. That means that you had to cast Shred, have the server confirm you were still in form to cast it (.25 second batch), cancel form, drink a trollsblood potion, wait for .74 more seconds to confirm your white swing, shift back into cat (.25 second batch window to confirm) leaving you (up to) a clean .40 to .76 seconds worth of time to fit in your trollsblood cancel, get your bonus energy tick for your double shred. (The batch timer worked both ways to your advantage here, comping you .25 seconds before you were ever out of form to start your white swing timer and .25 seconds after you shifted to complete it for a total of a half-second of leeway which made something that would have otherwise never worked become plausible.) I said that it was theoretically possible because it kind of was - its not uncommon for people to perfect rhythm games, and honestly 1/4 second windows are pretty generous comparatively. What made it ridiculous was the RNG of your crits or clearcasting procs, because now you are spending extra time in cat trying to cheese an extra ability in somewhere or you are trying to fit in a bite at an inopportune time due to a feast or famine of combo points. Not to mention that this is an online game, any slight fluctuation in ping or servers being destabilized by the volume of players or just your ISP acting wonky could dynamically affect your rotation timings on any given pull making it borderline impossible for anyone not living next door to the wow servers. At the end of the day, crusader was just one more buff to justify an open slot for that you couldn't keep reliably active in the best of times due to your relatively few weapon swings. On a disposable weapon that you might burn 2 of on a single boss pull. On a class where there was so little competition on, just having full world buffs and using plain pummelers properly defaulted you to a 99-parse. But hey, at least you were the class that actually got the biggest benefit out of the batch window, so that's something.
@@RaexxorLP no, because the reward was extremely miniscule compared to the dramatic decrease in dps if you messed up. it's nothing more than a theoretical dps increase if done perfectly, which there are plenty of those.
As a classic min maxer you spend insane tons of gold/time and effort to get buffs, consumables etc.. only to press 1 button in a 2 mechanic boss fight XD
I would like to mention the buff you could get from mind controlling a mob in the entrance off UBRS to gain massive buff to Fire Resistance for an hour. Huge for MC and BWL. I remember my guild having priests enter UBRS and giving our tanks the buff at least and some chads also wanted this. Not a DPS gain, but having that extra Fire Res helped a lot for those pesky drakes in BWL. Also the buff from Silithus, from handing in the Silithyst Geyser or whatever it was called. It gave you a 5% dmg buff for 30mins. Might have been banned from logs at some point, was mostly used for speedruns, if at all.
For a mage, it was absolutely a DPS gain on flamegor when your frostbolts aren't being pushed back because of the flame buffet tick and you can stay in longer to pump
dps loved it because they could wear less fire res gear meaning more pumpage, and they could stay in longer meaning more pumpage. and casters got their spell pushback reduced but they werent warriors or rogues so they were just there bc the raid needed buffs
Fireres was pretty amazing on some fights, especially Firemaw in BWL. You could sometimes go through the entire fight without having to ever los the boss because the stacks would constantly drop. Being able to consistently do damage largely outweighed the bonus damage from your regular gear.
Hello WilliE, for someone not maining a feral druid, your segment on them was pretty good. I just want to comment on ferals switching to other helmets at the end of tbc. For a regular helmet to outclass the wolfshead, the headslot would need to scale disproportionally good in comparision to the other slots, since the wolfshead helm is also scaling with your gear. A geared feral is converting the 20 energy to more damage than a lesser geared feral. The real reason of wolfsheadless becoming an alternative was because of the T6 two set bonus. Without the +20 energy from wolfshead helm you couldnt fit 2x shred into your typical powershift cycle anymore, but with the reduced cost of mangle you could instead go for 1x shred + 1x mangle. Both playstyles were competetive and had their advantages and disadvantages.
Yeah, so unless you were a Feral druid in a raid clearing a good portion of Sunwell *and* had a Helmet with enough stats to justify it, then the Wolfshead was BiS for DPS...pretty much the entire run of TBC. Insane lil' thing there. But hey, at least we didn't have to worry about Bearweaving.
You missed out Arcane Might (Mind Control buff from Stratholme's living side granting more spell damage than elixirs), Blessing of the Blackfathom and the fabled Blasted Lands consumables. Other notable ones were also the resistance buffs you could obtain through Mind Controlling specific mobs (Arcane resist from WPL; Fire resist from UBRS) and the Camp Taurajo buffs for the Horde.
A little addition to battle chicken: At first when people rediscovered the trinket, you could proc it while out of raid, and log out for the 20 min cd of your chicken, log back in after 20 mins and proc it again. Now you'd have 2 buffs, as it stacked indefinitely. This meant that you had melee with upwards of **15** squawk buffs for Hydross. I'm pretty sure the bluepost you mentioned was the initial change that squawk now starts ticking down while offline
You forgot about farming tradeable spider venom sacs that would cure poison effects from low level characters from the wetlands just before engaging Viscidus in AQ 40. People would farm the sacs, give them to an alt that would log out, then log in right before viscidus, trade all the sacs to the raid and then log back on their main. This was practically required to get through that boss unless half of the guild was engineers. The poison damage was insane.
the warchiefs blessing quest was the last one I needed for level 60, and I had no idea about this buff so I just ran and turned it in. The amount of angry whispers I got
You can make a whole video about feral druids alone. It's absolutely insane. Now in wrath we have bear-, flower- and idol weaving. I'm glad they fixed the energy tick bug back in tbc classic. I think would've gone insane
Chugging the mana flask would increase your mana by 2000. And seeing the flask did not have a cooldown you could remove the buff, chugg it again for additional 2000 mana. A free mana pot without a cooldown. A very expensive one at that. It was used quite commonly in speed runs.
@@ExtrnalSorce2 Noone said min-maxxing would be cheap! Healers in classic wow speed runs would chug Distilled Wisdom Flasks everytime they went below 1k mana to get their mana pool up and there was no cooldown on chugging these.
@@Silentpaws Good lord I have heard stories of the classic meta degeneracy, but hearing about healers casually dropping THOUSANDS if gold per raid in flasks ... I can't even conceptualize it in my mind. On my private server toon I am proud to say I have 500 gold after the better part of a year of playtime. What you just typed made me throw up in my mouth a little bit.
TBH, sounds absolutely horrible. And after giving Naxx a 2,5 hour run through for the first time I don't see the attraction about WOTLK, beyond nostalgia, either. HF with your timesink if you want, tho.
@@nicknic28292490 I've stopped playing since the beginning of TBC, don't worry. But the Classic Vanilla experience was wonderful with the friends I've had and I'm sure it was for many others as well. Enhancement shaman btw.
There were some other interesting mind control gains to be had. Fire Resistance for an hour from the casters inside Blackrock Spire. Spell power for 30 minutes I think from a caster mob past arena in BRD. Outside of mind control there was the "debuff" from Blackfathom Depths to slightly improve caster stats and frost spell power. Also, our tank used to get summoned to Camp Taurajo in the Barrens before Sapphiron during progression to get the Razorhide from Blood Shards. It was a 10 minute thorn style buff that also increased armor by 25%. We had an enhance shaman that found a way to guarantee a WF proc on his next swing and would "bank" them for boss encounters (this usually resulted in him pulling threat and dying).
The battle chicken was so much fun to use, I remember using it in dungeons and it was always so hype when it activated. Jumper cables were also clutch when they worked
We had a feral cat druid in our SoM raiding team. He'd either tie, or just flat out do more damage than other warriors on said raid team, doing all those gigabrain strategies to minmax Feral Cat dps
Mhm. Of course a vanilla feral druid would never have compared to a worldbuffed rogue or warrior because they didn't benefit from the buffs as much. But without worldbuffs they could certainly do competitive DPS. My own guild hosted an AQ40 PUG once, we invited a feral dps because he was willing to offtank trash. It went very well until we wiped on Twins. And suddenly this guy started appearing in the #5 dps because nobody had worldbuffs anymore. He was #3 on C'thun iirc.
@@astralfields Huh. Now I regret trying Balance instead. It sucked. Feral didn't seem to do much better, but I focused on it less and I was also bad at the game. Thank god for being the only druid in the raid so they didn't want to kick me.
You pretty much nailed feral druids. We take a D tier spec, use the most ridiculous strats to maximize every aspect of our class, just to take us to C tier. Don't even get me started on all the weaving we gotta do in wrath
@@TheBlaert Yeah like the principle of the rotation is really simple yet the execution can be really tricky. It's especially hard on bosses like Sart with 2/3 drakes where you have to change targets a lot. Also you won't top the dmg meters at least until when Ulduar comes out then ferals are top dps.
In tbc as a holy priest tailor I would save my primal mooncloth cds for right before getting summoned to raids for the hour long little mp5 buff it gave when u made it
It wasn't just ferals: Rets could do a "spelladin" build with MCP that was surprisingly effective with seal of righteousness and spellpower gear. I tried it during AQ40 and I went from being towards the bottom on bosses to being in the top 5 in my raid. 50% attack speed buff is just insane.
I played this same thing in MC and BWL, and I regularly got top 5 in my group as well. It was great fun, and there was plenty of consumes you could cheese with both AP and SP gear being useful.
@@LifelessIsBeat I wish I would have discovered this earlier in classic, I was trying to make AP ret work but it just wasn't any good 😂 SP ret with MCP was actually competitive with the right consumes, and could really dish out the dps. Shame farming MCP is tedious.
@@tree4104 Haven't the slightest clue, honestly. Was too tryhard for the time investment I was able to commit anyways and burned myself out by the end of BWL. /thumbs-up Feelycraft tells me it was top dam, ez.
I remember that Spirits of Zandalar spellbook glitch - I was ganking people in orgrimmar on my hunter and I could give them the buff right before I killed them. They were very confused.
I’d love to see a video on some of the weirder mechanic-based builds in classic, like the BoM spam prot Paladins. I’m sure there are others but I can’t remember them off the top of my head.
There were also mew world buffs after AQ, but we were all so tired by that point that we usually ignored those ones. A couple times I also grabbed the Blackfathom Depths Buff on my mage. On my horde chars I considered grabbing those barrens buffs from the quilboar, but eventually decided against it.
A missed mention is the Blood Elf quest giver in Blasted Lands that you would kill boars, vultures, scorpids, etc. in exchange for R.O.I.D.S (+25 strength 1hour) or Ground Scorpok Assay (+25 agility 1hr) BUT... you could only carry one of these items in your bags at a time, and it had only one use.
As a hunter I would always get the Ground Scorpok Assay. I used to submit the mats for the quest, use the item and get the buff, then submit another set of items and have another consumable for it in the bags. Then I'd get a summon for ZG or Ony buff, depending on what I was missing or which one was next. This basically allowed me to run the buff for almost 2h. Farming the mats for the double buff tho, that was another story, given how everyone was farming those mobs in BL.
Light of elune, bag of marbles, fishliver oil, arcanite dragonling, major recombobulator, nightfall, blasted lands buffs, valentines chocolate, halloween sweets and buff, the missing diplomat buff
For the 2 phases of TBC, shadow priests could cancel the debuff from shadow word death allowing them to use it in their rotation without fear of dying due to taking too much damage from the backlash effect. This was an useful because on certain fights the priest could kill themselves from full health depending on the conditions of the fight due to having BIS gear with almost no stamina bonuses on it (fixed by phase 3 when priests actually got enough stam to prevent this).
You oculd get into LBRS, mind control an add to get a fire resistance Same existed in Stratholme, if you mind control a scarlet That's the little perk that are lovely when it's barely known but a nightmare when it's mandatory
This buff was actually huge though, well worth it for bwl. This buff and a few pieces of FR gear[mostly the trinket with the use to add a ton of FR for 20s or whatever] was basically an auto-99 parse for melee on the first drake in bwl [and other world buffs too of course]. Dropping those stacks...huge. It was also very very good for the raid as a whole on vael. I am sure it was useful on other fights too...been a while [Ragnaros comes to mind].
on many private servers, the LBRS fire buff has no cooldown, so we would buff the entire raid every single BWL and still do this day. on classic, it had a 30s cooldown so only the tank and maybe top pumpers would get the privelege of this.
I knew about the Chicken force proc in Classic, a lot of advanced hunters were minmaxing trinket swaps that could be done with Feign Death and summon trinkets were highly underrated. On a similar note, I’m surprised you didn’t talk about melee-weaving for classic hunters. It was a pretty substantial benefit when performed correctly, worked wonderfully with windfury, and allowed hunters to get something out of all the buffs that only granted melee AP.
it was so substantial that some hunter parsers made a script that would pivot there character in and out of melee range, making for some unreasonably high parses. Since it was using a script, the best way Blizzard could do to handle it was to make the weapon swing timer for both ranged and melee to be shared. As of Wotlk classic, it is no longer possible to melee weave, at least not without losing a lot of DPS.
I played for a while with an alliance guild in Classic. There were *several* raiders who paid for a second account, so they could level a horde priest to 60, so they could use it to Mind Control their raid character and go into Orgrimmar for the Warchief's Blessing buff. And all raiders needed to either level a warlock to 20 or make a couple alts to keep with those warlocks, planted around the world at every single world buff location. Some at Dire Maul, some on the hills above Booty Bay (so you were in town for the buff, but hidden from pvp), and multiple in Felwood at different flower spawn points.
@@Pyryp2 World bosses for all intents and purposes did not exist on those servers. There was one top guild that knew the respawn timers and had it camped out to die within seconds. Nobody else on the server was ever able to even see one.
Back in retail, I made use of the buff you got from standing in the Light from Omen's corpse during the midsummer event. That was a +10% to all stats buffs that lasted an hour. Oddly, it was NOT a buff that was widely used on my server in classic. Other buffs I have used: In Dire Maul, there is an NPC that sells a drink that provides -5 int and +25 spirit for 15 minutes. At the time, this was neither a potion nor food buff. Very few specs care that much about spirit, but resto druid was one of them. It was cheap to get and you could get a lot of them. There were also a number of holiday buff items that I stashed away for extra buffs, like chocolates, candies from Hallow's end, mistletoe, the +30 stam for an hour argent dawn buffstones. In level 19 pvp, you could have truly staggering levels of cheese.
There was a debuff you could obtain in black fathom deeps that increased the frost damage you deal by a certain amount, like 7 i believe? But because it was a debuff, the timer would go down while you were logged out, so you would either have to do it first if you were going on a buff tour before raid night, or you would do it just before raid so you could have the buff for the beginning part of the raid night
WillE! Love the video! So happy to see you bring light of all these ways people were min-maxing! If you ever want to cover all the crazy things people did to speedrun let me know!
I'll always wonder now: The raider who did the math proving C'Thun was unkillable pre-patch... what if the raid groups had gone to this absurd level of minmax?
I love videos on the lore of player made histories on MMOs like this. Showing the community and the silly stuff people would go through really makes it feel like an game full of people and not just a game you play through.
Had 3 warlocks, 2 priest, mage, hunter in classic. Only raided on one warlock and one priest, and a bit on mage. All of them handed in heads, hearts, summoned to raids/buffs, provided portals home, reset npcs hundreds of times, cleared tribute, boosted in loads of dungeons. Was a real community effort getting buffed for raids.
Alliance players could actually just delete their manual crowd pummeler just as the boss was about to die. Then item restore them after the raid and they would get restored with full charges, and with any enchant you have put on it. On horde side windfury getting applied to the pummeler would cause it to not get restored with full charges, but rather with the charges it had when you deleted it.
@@a.o.skurtt hey, crazy classic 99 parsing feral here(quit in tbc). The reason it didn't work on horde is because of totems. Adding windfury or another biff to your weapon caused the server to "update" it, and meant if you item restored it it would be restored at a point where you had already used the charges. You could take enchanting and DE the weapon, which had a farther back restore point, but it was still not guaranteed. Oh I just realized the guy above me said all this lol
As a horde guild that needed a bit of extra help in the first weeks of Naxx, we'd do the following before patchwerk: We'd summon the tanks to camp taurajo in the barrens, and hand each of them some pre-farmed blood shards. The tanks would turn in the shards to recieve a 10min? 15min? percentage-based armor buff. The raid-summoners would summon the tanks back to naxx, and once inside, we'd summon the tanks again to get to patchie, and then we'd engage. We probably couldn't have risked it on a PVP server though.
Loved the vid WillE! Our guild used to use arcanite dragonlings for the fire mages to pump too. Also we had a designated mage use fetish of the sand reaver to pick up the ignite tick and reduce threat for us to pump harder.
the level 13 quest items that only work on undead in the blood elf starting area that are still being used even in wotlk, they give a 10 minute buff for 30 attack power or 12 spellpower vs undead mobs only
Story time. Had a buddy in a guild that would just use the lost item feature ever 2 weeks or so to get MCP back smart as hell. Told me about it during phase 1 I'm TBC because we did the same thing to get the rings from the kara quest chain. Miss that guy
I played Era and dealt with all the buffs raiding but hearing you lay everything out in this video really shows how absurd and ridiculous it was to have all those buffs in the game in the first place
Parsing turned into a community sport, like a way to test yourself. It was fun in its own way to go for all these buffs and look at how annihilated a current raid tier could be.
That started in cata with fury mastery, throw on a full mastery stat set, pop cds, swap to regular gear. Do this as pull timer is going to snapshot the mastery into deathwish. Always amusing when it was mistimed and you were stuck in greens on a boss lmao
In Legion there was a green gem from classic called Enchanted Pearl that gave like +10 flat to all stats but it actually gave +10% to all stats because something in legion broke the math with it. It was broken and I used it for EN ToV until it got fixed in NH. Good times
There's an orc caster NPC near the beginning of Upper Blackrock Spire with a fire resistance buff. We mind controlled it, and ran our 40 raiders through 15 at a time to get it. It was useful vs Ragnaros in Molten Core.
In the Night Elf starting zone, near the lake is an NPC that has a quest to find seeds or something to that effect. When the quest is completed, 3 plants spawn and can be tagged by anyone nearby. They would drop a consumable that would increase damage by a whopping 1. Yes one. On Private servers I would camp the area and whisper new people how to do the quest so I could effectively farm these, as they only would spawn upon completion of this quest. I could sell them for 3-5 gold a piece! Crazy min-maxers
In classic my guild reached the point after farming Naxx, where our main tank warrior could outheal some healers in fights if we had enough dps, just because of how little healing needed to go out while his flask buff kept him topped off.
Feral Druid in my guild farmed those pummelers every single week for every raid in Classic. I don't know how he did it, but hey I solo'd Dire Maul North, Maraudon and BRD Arenas as a hunter so maybe he wasn't that crazy
As a bear running speedruns i spent quite some time farming pummelers. Between gold farming and mcp rng sometimes it could get really tight on time before being forced to get all the world buffs.
I was the rogue class lead in my guild back in vanilla. My second and I used to battle it out every week in Molten Core for top dps and it was quite a riot.
Additionally we had a token ret paladin who swung Nightfall. Having a ret paladin was not min/max but swinging Nightfall was enough dps increase to our caster combined with the ret DPS that it was a net positive raid addition.
I played feral cat dps in vanilla. I found the best strategy to be wearing a full set of healing gear, spending all talents into restoration and keeping the other dps alive. And when all was going good, I would go in cat form and help out a little. Such as druid class call at Nefarian.
Along with this. A not so careful study would show that the resto tree was hot garbage and you could get a vast majority of your healing out of the first 2 levels. This, you could be 31 pt feral, and still be a raid healer, but also be able to truly swap roles as needed. I rolled LotP as a healer/off tank. Even sitting there as a kitty spamming FF was better than anything else for trash...
Bag of Marbles and Light of Elune are two items that you receive early game that can be very powerful late game. Bag of marbles is a 25% accuracy debuff for 10 sec. Light of Elune grants immunity from all spells and damage for 10 sec.
We had frost mages getting the minor frost damage buff from BFD in our sweater MC runs. +15 frost spell damage. 97 to 99 parses with all the consumes, buffs etc. Mad.
I did all of this just to top the meters on my rogue, including getting warchief's blessing with mind control. The raids were piss easy and could have been done naked probably. I regret it and it damn near gives me PTSD thinking about collecting all the buffs every week. I had 5 accounts with a hunter to clear dire maul and warlocks and clickers set up at various locations. I made hella gold selling summons and tribute buffs, like it seemed like a cheat code or something I made so much gold. All of my memories of classic are traumatic.
World buffing became a quest in and of itself. It contributed to raid logging but it sure was an interesting social experiment. The coordination was extensive. Between that and world bosses, classic classic was clearly the most fun of the expansions of Classic WoW.
As far as food buffs go and me playing a rogue, there was a fish, that gave like 20 agility (I am not sure about the value any more). But what made this interesting was the matter, you could only fish it for 6 months, then next 6 months there was another fish that was replacing it. So to max it out you needed the supply for 6 months to store for the period. Black Lotus was another interesting herb, that had long respawn. So I leveled up 2 characters just to do the early morning trip in 2 zones to ensure the income for myself and guild members. Yes they payed me for that. The HP flask if I remember correct was good even in Burning Crusade, so this went on for quite a while for me. Funny story - since I did the round trip 0700 in the morning I noticed the plants were gone for 2 days, so I pushed the alarm clock 30 mins back, so I got the plants insted. Long behold after few days the plants were gone again. So I turned the alarm even earlier to 0600. I think I ended up ap 0530 for quite some time and then could go back to 0700 and it seems my competitor has quit doing the area.
Hunter's using Steam Tonks to instantly dismiss their pets and then cancelling the Tonk, to call the pet again. Would instantly heal pets to full. With most hunter's being BM in TBC, that was a huge amount of dps you could save from not having to revive your pets
I spent more time and effort making a lvl 19 twink Rogue to lay waste to Warsong Gulch then any of my other characters back in the day. In fact, my entire guild spent a large amount of time being bodyguards while I was fishing in STV and farming arena trinkets.
As an alliance char in classic, I had 3 lvl 20 locks for summoning (felwood, DM:N inside and OG for rend). I also had a 2nd account as horde lvl 20 priest with gnomish cap for MC. Buffs were really coordinated on discord cross-faction but man there were people and times where it was nearly impossible and required your best focus and several low level scouts and high level/high geared alts for protection. Especially towards the end. I remember nights on end trying to find THE BEST possible spot in OG which was extremely trivial. Training so much to jump on mountains (which was difficult but when you got the gist, was very easy to duplicate) both on barrens side and azshara side of orgrimmar terrain. And then chronoboon happened. Late as ever with blizzard but yeah.. Fun times :D :D Miss them!
My shaman used the windfury totem (chance on hit to proc attack) and Ironfoe (Offhand) (Chance on hit to make more hits), Hand of Justice trinket (On hit may make one more hit). All extra attacks are handled by the main hand weapon's damage. When I raided every so often an enemy would lose almost all its helth and the enemy would turn to me and squish me. My raid called my self rez my agro drop. One way to haze new raiders is to see how they reacted to this happening.
In Vanilla, My Hunter ran Shammy healing gear so I could set my pet (A Winterspring Owl named 'Hyperborean') as a tank and spam channel-heal and keep it alive as an off-tank for fun guild raids.
When we were raiding MC we would have our tanks grab the Fire Resist buff from the mobs inside Blackrock Spire. It was an easy 65fr that helped out a bunch when it can time for Rag and later in BWL for Firemaw.
Another little dps increase I remember is Warriors /sit to get auto-crit by a mob to get more rage. If it was a mob that didn't hit hard, even DPS could do it. Was fixed a long time ago though. Also a very, very minor DPS increase - the sword dropped by the Headless Horseman. Make a macro to use its effect to summon the pumpkins and switch to your main weapon. Only a trickle of extra damage - but hey, its easy to do.
Oh, and Hunters using Steam Tonk Controller to auto-recall and heal their pets. That was practically mandatory during TBC because pets would die SO EASILY and their pathfinding was abysmal. Thank goodness that was fixed too.
I kinda miss this aspect of wow in a way. The personal time to gather all your consumes (firewater, wipper root, ekos..) and then you got to chill in disc waiting on buffs and coordinating with other guilds. Unfortunately this wouldn't work as were not in lockdown anymore
I collected all world buffs every week on my warrior as a solo player with a single account, the insane lengths i would go for and hours i spent on my alt hunter to check that every area was safe was insane. Even then some even bigger sperg would dispell my buffs out of nowhere in the middle of nowhere lol. Just hearing the word Songflower makes me shudder. Not to mention the intricate ways i would come up with to try and get the Dark Moon Faire buff in Elwynn Forest. Absolutely ridiculous thinking back, never again.
I remember creating several hundred characters to farm Valentine chocolate for a 23 sp increase, as well as buffing our mages with arcanite dragonling. And snowballs as a caster, with a snowball cast macroed into every ability you had, insane on long fights such as loatheb. Not even regarding items farmed that could roll different stats. Bracers in BRD that had fire res, and then wanted a shadow spell dmg roll, off hand from sunken temple. Even the epic Mara dagger which gave mages unlimited mana for boosting/farming. I remember those days fondly, even though firemaw horde made it a sport to grief.
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Oh please. Legion feral Druid was by far the most insanely stupid min max class ever created. Literally multiple times a day the sims would change and people would be running new stats, trinks, and talents. It was horrendously beautiful for the time I had to take part in it!
Should be mentioned about Weak Troll's Blood Potions; the change to energy regen was reverted on druid specifically really early, within month of TBC release. Thank god, since the revised energy regen sucked. Otherwise TBC was pretty straightforward, outside of regular powershifting. You could even dump wolfshead for CVoS, Guise - BiS had T6 helmet to maintain set bonus. WotLK is bit wilder. Poweshifting is gone (RIP), but there is bearweaving (going bear during low energy), flowershifting/powergifting (casting Gift of Wild to proc Omen of Clarity), snakeweaving/idolswapping (using albino white snake or swapping idol to reset swingtimer when shifting back to cat) and dual talent treant shenanigans (pre-pull swap to balance spec, summon treants, swap back to feral before pull). Day 1 feral btw
Not a buff, but after a rough couple weeks with the trash between Twin Emps and C'Thun in AQ40 my guild started 'fishing' AQ40 instances. I was actually the priest in my guild who learned how to Mind Vision my way into that last section so I could count the spawns of the two different kinds of mobs in the big groups, and then resetting the raid until I found one with a low enough number of the mind controlling mobs. We later add a trash skip to skip half of these packs that involved a hunter sneaking into Ouro's room, getting aggro and force teleporting a bunch of the raid into the room, and a rezer with a soulstone resurrecting everyone in the room, then summoning the folks with world buffs who would be logged out during the rest of this.
The Ravager from Scarlet Monestary had a proc that did damage to all nearby targets (3 hits) - on a paladin with Seal of the Crusader, each hit it (when it procced -.-) had a chance to get off a SoC proc on each hit mob as well... Meaning loads of damage to AoE packs. Some people complained about not being able to stop spinning, but all they had to do was start casting a holy light )or use the cancelmacro. Worked very well on packs towards Patchwerk, mini drakes in bwl and naturally aq's bugs... Sometimes though, threat was a bit of an issue. Lots of uncontrolable damage.
I remember when you could get a priest friend to res a warlock pet after they sac it for their buff. So I had a friend who'd sac his Succubus for the 30% damage, alt+F4 while someone would res their pet, log back in to have the damage buff up and the pet now alive. He did this while stacking shadow power so he could just do pom pyro damage with a shadowbolt in arathi basin and it was hilarious. Also, rek bomb man. Let's just one shot bosses.
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There were a TON of effects just based on MC adds and having those adds provide buffs to your raiders. Also some of the adds that you could MC like the adds outside of Void Reaver were so broken that they could almost solo the boss.
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There was a horde only buff from an NPC in a cage in camp Taurajo. One of the buffs you could get was a 25% armor buff that lasted 10 minutes. We would have summon teams set up there to summon our Patchwerk tanks. Many other guilds did this as well. There was also a 5 minute speed buff that gave 29% movement speed, which we used 1 time for our Gluth kiter (not worth the effort for the duration).
I never knew these buffs were actually being used like that, thanks for sharing! Actually secret knowledge ;)
Yeah that armor was insane. When I was ranking on my Warrior alt, I used to queue up and fly to Camp Taurajo some times, and get that buff just before entering WSG. Having that extra armor and the thorns effect was hilarious vs other melee.
I used to have my hearth set for the inn there on every single one of my twinks and would get the buffs as soon as a Q would pop, the speed armor and thorns effect was pretty OP at low levels, id always be the FC jaha
My guild just kills patchwork and dnr have an issue. We don't need any help. Kiting the adds is easy. I guess you need all the help you can get 😂
@@lightner6924 its a surprise you have a guild at all, considering you've gotta belittle people about something that happened two years ago. you seem like a shit person to have around
As a healer, snowball spamming for Judgement of Wisdom procs was a super sweaty interaction. I remember Joardee even joking on a SWP stream that "Gigantique Bags" were required gear for their healers so they could carry the maximum number of snowballs.
Or just spam flask of distilled wisdom
@@wowhallo That's what my guild did on our fastest BWL clear. Can't remember how many flasks it took but it was an insane amount.
it has just become so ridiculous. I rather go casually facerolling Dragonflight than play in such toxic min max environment
- and this comes from someone who loved classic / private servers once
@@heyhelmar the mentality is the same in dragonflight especially when the expansion is new many players will quickly find the min max meta and play it till first patch nerfes it but they got better at removing tools from raids back then u could literally take any buff into a raid basicly
@@gecgoodpasi1654 but I'd assume there's more fun stuff besides raiding?
What I'm gathering is the World Buff collection was actually the hardest raid encounter in Vanilla, required a lot of coordination and teamwork and perfect timing, and if you died (or got dispelled) then better luck tomorrow.
Ouch. I'm so glad that meta ended.
It was a pain and made it to where playing on your main was risky until the chronoboom came out late in classic. Really wish that was available upon release
Exactly, but if you didn't want to hurt your MT's girlfriend's feelings and carry your siblings, they'd make the 30 man raids doable. XD
It was only bad when dispelling became a big thing. Before people were being pieces of shit intentionally dispelling world buffs getting the buffs was easy
@@riv3ra625 I mean if you could play 30 hours a week and still didn't want to play your main for a fun yeah but I don't really consider that easy. That's kinda why Wrath was so good because you could still minmax but it wasn't a full time job to be fairly competitive
Obvious alliance player. Never tried Sapphiron without paladins and worldbuffs, that's for sure. ;) Wink.
There is that buff in Blackfathom deep which wasn't that exciting but it gave you +15 more frost damage if you wanna get the most out of those frostbolts. Also it is technically a debuff so if you log off for tues/weds reset with all your buffs that one gets cleared!
The length that druids and shamans had to do just to be “meta” for raids/pvp at the time was wild
I broke the world record onyxia kill speed by scouring my server for every hunter with 8/8 T2. The bonus had an egregiously low proc rate, but a massive 425ap to all hunters in the raid. And you could have multiple stacks up at a time.
You hunted for hunters lol
The trollsblood butt chug was a little bit more intensive. You had to drink the potion out of form, so it was something that you needed to hit between powershifts. You had to cancel it between .4 and 1.00 seconds after entering form - any less and you miss an entire shred, any more and you miss a GCD window.
But, that wasn't entirely it, either. Believe it or not there was actually a step too far for even the most dedicated feral main...
The theoretical ideal pummeler enchant was Crusader, which you needed to swing out of form to fish for procs with. Good news - you were out of form every 4 seconds, bad news is with its haste buff up, it still has a 1.33 swing timer. Thankfully, we have WCB and its 15% attack speed able to drop that down to... 1.25 seconds. But, good news, there's also two Dire Maul librams that give you 1% more attack speed each, giving you a net swing timer of 1.24 seconds, or the ability to fish for a melee swing if you timed your powershift exactly within the batch window, every time. That means that you had to cast Shred, have the server confirm you were still in form to cast it (.25 second batch), cancel form, drink a trollsblood potion, wait for .74 more seconds to confirm your white swing, shift back into cat (.25 second batch window to confirm) leaving you (up to) a clean .40 to .76 seconds worth of time to fit in your trollsblood cancel, get your bonus energy tick for your double shred. (The batch timer worked both ways to your advantage here, comping you .25 seconds before you were ever out of form to start your white swing timer and .25 seconds after you shifted to complete it for a total of a half-second of leeway which made something that would have otherwise never worked become plausible.)
I said that it was theoretically possible because it kind of was - its not uncommon for people to perfect rhythm games, and honestly 1/4 second windows are pretty generous comparatively. What made it ridiculous was the RNG of your crits or clearcasting procs, because now you are spending extra time in cat trying to cheese an extra ability in somewhere or you are trying to fit in a bite at an inopportune time due to a feast or famine of combo points. Not to mention that this is an online game, any slight fluctuation in ping or servers being destabilized by the volume of players or just your ISP acting wonky could dynamically affect your rotation timings on any given pull making it borderline impossible for anyone not living next door to the wow servers.
At the end of the day, crusader was just one more buff to justify an open slot for that you couldn't keep reliably active in the best of times due to your relatively few weapon swings. On a disposable weapon that you might burn 2 of on a single boss pull. On a class where there was so little competition on, just having full world buffs and using plain pummelers properly defaulted you to a 99-parse.
But hey, at least you were the class that actually got the biggest benefit out of the batch window, so that's something.
Do u know if anyone actually did this? Sounds insane
@@RaexxorLP no, because the reward was extremely miniscule compared to the dramatic decrease in dps if you messed up. it's nothing more than a theoretical dps increase if done perfectly, which there are plenty of those.
I'm amazed anyone would go through that much effort.... to be middle of the pack.
Bro wtf are you talking about?
I play priest and paladin
As a classic min maxer you spend insane tons of gold/time and effort to get buffs, consumables etc.. only to press 1 button in a 2 mechanic boss fight XD
I would like to mention the buff you could get from mind controlling a mob in the entrance off UBRS to gain massive buff to Fire Resistance for an hour. Huge for MC and BWL. I remember my guild having priests enter UBRS and giving our tanks the buff at least and some chads also wanted this. Not a DPS gain, but having that extra Fire Res helped a lot for those pesky drakes in BWL.
Also the buff from Silithus, from handing in the Silithyst Geyser or whatever it was called. It gave you a 5% dmg buff for 30mins. Might have been banned from logs at some point, was mostly used for speedruns, if at all.
For a mage, it was absolutely a DPS gain on flamegor when your frostbolts aren't being pushed back because of the flame buffet tick and you can stay in longer to pump
@@hardcoreclassicenjoyer true
dps loved it because they could wear less fire res gear meaning more pumpage, and they could stay in longer meaning more pumpage. and casters got their spell pushback reduced but they werent warriors or rogues so they were just there bc the raid needed buffs
Oh the memories...
Fireres was pretty amazing on some fights, especially Firemaw in BWL. You could sometimes go through the entire fight without having to ever los the boss because the stacks would constantly drop. Being able to consistently do damage largely outweighed the bonus damage from your regular gear.
Hello WilliE,
for someone not maining a feral druid, your segment on them was pretty good. I just want to comment on ferals switching to other helmets at the end of tbc. For a regular helmet to outclass the wolfshead, the headslot would need to scale disproportionally good in comparision to the other slots, since the wolfshead helm is also scaling with your gear. A geared feral is converting the 20 energy to more damage than a lesser geared feral. The real reason of wolfsheadless becoming an alternative was because of the T6 two set bonus. Without the +20 energy from wolfshead helm you couldnt fit 2x shred into your typical powershift cycle anymore, but with the reduced cost of mangle you could instead go for 1x shred + 1x mangle. Both playstyles were competetive and had their advantages and disadvantages.
Yeah, so unless you were a Feral druid in a raid clearing a good portion of Sunwell *and* had a Helmet with enough stats to justify it, then the Wolfshead was BiS for DPS...pretty much the entire run of TBC. Insane lil' thing there. But hey, at least we didn't have to worry about Bearweaving.
You missed out Arcane Might (Mind Control buff from Stratholme's living side granting more spell damage than elixirs), Blessing of the Blackfathom and the fabled Blasted Lands consumables. Other notable ones were also the resistance buffs you could obtain through Mind Controlling specific mobs (Arcane resist from WPL; Fire resist from UBRS) and the Camp Taurajo buffs for the Horde.
I love that kinda stuff even if it probably got tedious
A little addition to battle chicken: At first when people rediscovered the trinket, you could proc it while out of raid, and log out for the 20 min cd of your chicken, log back in after 20 mins and proc it again. Now you'd have 2 buffs, as it stacked indefinitely. This meant that you had melee with upwards of **15** squawk buffs for Hydross. I'm pretty sure the bluepost you mentioned was the initial change that squawk now starts ticking down while offline
You forgot about farming tradeable spider venom sacs that would cure poison effects from low level characters from the wetlands just before engaging Viscidus in AQ 40. People would farm the sacs, give them to an alt that would log out, then log in right before viscidus, trade all the sacs to the raid and then log back on their main. This was practically required to get through that boss unless half of the guild was engineers. The poison damage was insane.
And dont forget every non-mage being required to have a frost damage wand or a melee weapon enchanted/oiled for frost damage
@@IsmaelSantos-iy4xi yuup had to farm the dagger from last boss in RFD for rogues/warriors Coz it had a frost bolt proc
the warchiefs blessing quest was the last one I needed for level 60, and I had no idea about this buff so I just ran and turned it in. The amount of angry whispers I got
Same
Sweats are something else...
You can make a whole video about feral druids alone. It's absolutely insane. Now in wrath we have bear-, flower- and idol weaving. I'm glad they fixed the energy tick bug back in tbc classic. I think would've gone insane
Dont forget about wrath weaving!
@@Epidombe theres also snakeweaving and daggerweaving now
@@Name-oopsies Don't forget Nogweaving!
Jeez... when do we start doing wavedashes, animation canceling, and crouchstabs?
Don’t forget about basket weaving!! Nah but for real is flowerweaving actually working in live?
Chugging the mana flask would increase your mana by 2000. And seeing the flask did not have a cooldown you could remove the buff, chugg it again for additional 2000 mana. A free mana pot without a cooldown. A very expensive one at that. It was used quite commonly in speed runs.
How expensive? Never even heard of this mana flask but it sounds not very cost effective
@@ExtrnalSorce2 200g+ on big servers
@@ExtrnalSorce2 Noone said min-maxxing would be cheap! Healers in classic wow speed runs would chug Distilled Wisdom Flasks everytime they went below 1k mana to get their mana pool up and there was no cooldown on chugging these.
@@Silentpaws Good lord I have heard stories of the classic meta degeneracy, but hearing about healers casually dropping THOUSANDS if gold per raid in flasks ... I can't even conceptualize it in my mind. On my private server toon I am proud to say I have 500 gold after the better part of a year of playtime.
What you just typed made me throw up in my mouth a little bit.
This is such a throwback to Classic. We'll never relive such times, it's been wonderful.
Good times, dood B-)
Ahh, classic vanilla....loved it. Was so much fun.
They can prob relaunch vanilla again in like 5 years, people will be nostalgic for 2019 classic wow
TBH, sounds absolutely horrible. And after giving Naxx a 2,5 hour run through for the first time I don't see the attraction about WOTLK, beyond nostalgia, either. HF with your timesink if you want, tho.
@@nicknic28292490 I've stopped playing since the beginning of TBC, don't worry. But the Classic Vanilla experience was wonderful with the friends I've had and I'm sure it was for many others as well.
Enhancement shaman btw.
There were some other interesting mind control gains to be had. Fire Resistance for an hour from the casters inside Blackrock Spire. Spell power for 30 minutes I think from a caster mob past arena in BRD. Outside of mind control there was the "debuff" from Blackfathom Depths to slightly improve caster stats and frost spell power. Also, our tank used to get summoned to Camp Taurajo in the Barrens before Sapphiron during progression to get the Razorhide from Blood Shards. It was a 10 minute thorn style buff that also increased armor by 25%. We had an enhance shaman that found a way to guarantee a WF proc on his next swing and would "bank" them for boss encounters (this usually resulted in him pulling threat and dying).
The battle chicken was so much fun to use, I remember using it in dungeons and it was always so hype when it activated. Jumper cables were also clutch when they worked
We had a feral cat druid in our SoM raiding team. He'd either tie, or just flat out do more damage than other warriors on said raid team, doing all those gigabrain strategies to minmax Feral Cat dps
Mhm. Of course a vanilla feral druid would never have compared to a worldbuffed rogue or warrior because they didn't benefit from the buffs as much. But without worldbuffs they could certainly do competitive DPS. My own guild hosted an AQ40 PUG once, we invited a feral dps because he was willing to offtank trash. It went very well until we wiped on Twins. And suddenly this guy started appearing in the #5 dps because nobody had worldbuffs anymore. He was #3 on C'thun iirc.
@@astralfields Huh. Now I regret trying Balance instead. It sucked. Feral didn't seem to do much better, but I focused on it less and I was also bad at the game. Thank god for being the only druid in the raid so they didn't want to kick me.
We had a bear till complex died
You pretty much nailed feral druids. We take a D tier spec, use the most ridiculous strats to maximize every aspect of our class, just to take us to C tier. Don't even get me started on all the weaving we gotta do in wrath
It's an easy rotation in wrath...
feral was the best spec that ever came out of any wow, feral most unique playstyle. nothing like it in any other game.
@@Bartooc It's easy enough to play, but it's hard as hell to play well. But if you get it right you'll destroy the damage meters
@@TheBlaert Yeah like the principle of the rotation is really simple yet the execution can be really tricky. It's especially hard on bosses like Sart with 2/3 drakes where you have to change targets a lot. Also you won't top the dmg meters at least until when Ulduar comes out then ferals are top dps.
@@Bartooc yep absolutely spot on. I mained as moonkin with feral offspec during wrath depending what the guild needed. Was a lot of fun
You can get a 30 min 10% armor buff from turning in armor plating in AV, used this on patchwork in vanila naxx, and it still works
In tbc as a holy priest tailor I would save my primal mooncloth cds for right before getting summoned to raids for the hour long little mp5 buff it gave when u made it
Yeah I did that as well on my Arcane Mage some times
I did that as a warlock as well every life tap I didn't have to take was a shadow bolt I could hurl at the boss
It wasn't just ferals: Rets could do a "spelladin" build with MCP that was surprisingly effective with seal of righteousness and spellpower gear. I tried it during AQ40 and I went from being towards the bottom on bosses to being in the top 5 in my raid. 50% attack speed buff is just insane.
I just went >:0
I played this same thing in MC and BWL, and I regularly got top 5 in my group as well.
It was great fun, and there was plenty of consumes you could cheese with both AP and SP gear being useful.
@@LifelessIsBeat I wish I would have discovered this earlier in classic, I was trying to make AP ret work but it just wasn't any good 😂 SP ret with MCP was actually competitive with the right consumes, and could really dish out the dps. Shame farming MCP is tedious.
any idea how good that build was in naxx? with exorcism and holy wrath It might actually perform quite well.
@@tree4104 Haven't the slightest clue, honestly. Was too tryhard for the time investment I was able to commit anyways and burned myself out by the end of BWL. /thumbs-up
Feelycraft tells me it was top dam, ez.
I never got how people go these lengths when classic bosses and raids were already so easy.
Would you be surprised if there was another Onyxia wipe in 2020... ? XD
I remember that Spirits of Zandalar spellbook glitch - I was ganking people in orgrimmar on my hunter and I could give them the buff right before I killed them. They were very confused.
Imagine going through all the trouble of obtaining these buffs and then wiping to trash in Naxx40
I’d love to see a video on some of the weirder mechanic-based builds in classic, like the BoM spam prot Paladins. I’m sure there are others but I can’t remember them off the top of my head.
There were also mew world buffs after AQ, but we were all so tired by that point that we usually ignored those ones. A couple times I also grabbed the Blackfathom Depths Buff on my mage. On my horde chars I considered grabbing those barrens buffs from the quilboar, but eventually decided against it.
Quilboar buff? I got fire res buff from LBRS for my mage using mind control priest friend
It's more warcraftlogs invalidated the aq world buff
A missed mention is the Blood Elf quest giver in Blasted Lands that you would kill boars, vultures, scorpids, etc. in exchange for R.O.I.D.S (+25 strength 1hour) or Ground Scorpok Assay (+25 agility 1hr) BUT... you could only carry one of these items in your bags at a time, and it had only one use.
As a hunter I would always get the Ground Scorpok Assay. I used to submit the mats for the quest, use the item and get the buff, then submit another set of items and have another consumable for it in the bags. Then I'd get a summon for ZG or Ony buff, depending on what I was missing or which one was next. This basically allowed me to run the buff for almost 2h. Farming the mats for the double buff tho, that was another story, given how everyone was farming those mobs in BL.
Light of elune, bag of marbles, fishliver oil, arcanite dragonling, major recombobulator, nightfall, blasted lands buffs, valentines chocolate, halloween sweets and buff, the missing diplomat buff
For the 2 phases of TBC, shadow priests could cancel the debuff from shadow word death allowing them to use it in their rotation without fear of dying due to taking too much damage from the backlash effect. This was an useful because on certain fights the priest could kill themselves from full health depending on the conditions of the fight due to having BIS gear with almost no stamina bonuses on it (fixed by phase 3 when priests actually got enough stam to prevent this).
hahaha i remember criting myself a few times🤣
You oculd get into LBRS, mind control an add to get a fire resistance
Same existed in Stratholme, if you mind control a scarlet
That's the little perk that are lovely when it's barely known but a nightmare when it's mandatory
Oh god i remember the fire resistance LBRS one...
Things like this is why vanilla WoW always has been the best, these little quirks.
This buff was actually huge though, well worth it for bwl. This buff and a few pieces of FR gear[mostly the trinket with the use to add a ton of FR for 20s or whatever] was basically an auto-99 parse for melee on the first drake in bwl [and other world buffs too of course]. Dropping those stacks...huge. It was also very very good for the raid as a whole on vael. I am sure it was useful on other fights too...been a while [Ragnaros comes to mind].
on many private servers, the LBRS fire buff has no cooldown, so we would buff the entire raid every single BWL and still do this day. on classic, it had a 30s cooldown so only the tank and maybe top pumpers would get the privelege of this.
@@marknicklason yeah we used that fire buff for the first couple rag clears back in classic. Was fun going in for the mind controls.
I found a cool trick of getting underwater staff on my hunter and ganking off the coast of STV for hours.
I knew about the Chicken force proc in Classic, a lot of advanced hunters were minmaxing trinket swaps that could be done with Feign Death and summon trinkets were highly underrated. On a similar note, I’m surprised you didn’t talk about melee-weaving for classic hunters. It was a pretty substantial benefit when performed correctly, worked wonderfully with windfury, and allowed hunters to get something out of all the buffs that only granted melee AP.
it was so substantial that some hunter parsers made a script that would pivot there character in and out of melee range, making for some unreasonably high parses. Since it was using a script, the best way Blizzard could do to handle it was to make the weapon swing timer for both ranged and melee to be shared. As of Wotlk classic, it is no longer possible to melee weave, at least not without losing a lot of DPS.
11/10 video. 10/10 for the actual video, +1 for ending with the Grizzly Hills soundtrack
I played for a while with an alliance guild in Classic. There were *several* raiders who paid for a second account, so they could level a horde priest to 60, so they could use it to Mind Control their raid character and go into Orgrimmar for the Warchief's Blessing buff.
And all raiders needed to either level a warlock to 20 or make a couple alts to keep with those warlocks, planted around the world at every single world buff location. Some at Dire Maul, some on the hills above Booty Bay (so you were in town for the buff, but hidden from pvp), and multiple in Felwood at different flower spawn points.
Don't forget warlocks at world bosses.
@@Pyryp2 World bosses for all intents and purposes did not exist on those servers. There was one top guild that knew the respawn timers and had it camped out to die within seconds. Nobody else on the server was ever able to even see one.
Back in retail, I made use of the buff you got from standing in the Light from Omen's corpse during the midsummer event. That was a +10% to all stats buffs that lasted an hour. Oddly, it was NOT a buff that was widely used on my server in classic. Other buffs I have used: In Dire Maul, there is an NPC that sells a drink that provides -5 int and +25 spirit for 15 minutes. At the time, this was neither a potion nor food buff. Very few specs care that much about spirit, but resto druid was one of them. It was cheap to get and you could get a lot of them. There were also a number of holiday buff items that I stashed away for extra buffs, like chocolates, candies from Hallow's end, mistletoe, the +30 stam for an hour argent dawn buffstones. In level 19 pvp, you could have truly staggering levels of cheese.
There was a debuff you could obtain in black fathom deeps that increased the frost damage you deal by a certain amount, like 7 i believe? But because it was a debuff, the timer would go down while you were logged out, so you would either have to do it first if you were going on a buff tour before raid night, or you would do it just before raid so you could have the buff for the beginning part of the raid night
WillE! Love the video! So happy to see you bring light of all these ways people were min-maxing! If you ever want to cover all the crazy things people did to speedrun let me know!
I would like a WillE/Sarthe collab thank you
I'll always wonder now: The raider who did the math proving C'Thun was unkillable pre-patch... what if the raid groups had gone to this absurd level of minmax?
I think I had over 5k+ runs in gnomergan for the pummeler. Was MT for my guild so had no choice but to stack my bags with around 10 each raid
I love videos on the lore of player made histories on MMOs like this. Showing the community and the silly stuff people would go through really makes it feel like an game full of people and not just a game you play through.
Had 3 warlocks, 2 priest, mage, hunter in classic. Only raided on one warlock and one priest, and a bit on mage. All of them handed in heads, hearts, summoned to raids/buffs, provided portals home, reset npcs hundreds of times, cleared tribute, boosted in loads of dungeons. Was a real community effort getting buffed for raids.
I only liked this video for the insane AD transition, I am going back to watching the rest of the video now. That was insane I loved it so much.
So glad you just explained all the min max things of the past. Super informative.
Alliance players could actually just delete their manual crowd pummeler just as the boss was about to die. Then item restore them after the raid and they would get restored with full charges, and with any enchant you have put on it. On horde side windfury getting applied to the pummeler would cause it to not get restored with full charges, but rather with the charges it had when you deleted it.
LOL i was wondering why not horde thats funny asf
@@a.o.skurtt hey, crazy classic 99 parsing feral here(quit in tbc). The reason it didn't work on horde is because of totems. Adding windfury or another biff to your weapon caused the server to "update" it, and meant if you item restored it it would be restored at a point where you had already used the charges. You could take enchanting and DE the weapon, which had a farther back restore point, but it was still not guaranteed.
Oh I just realized the guy above me said all this lol
As a horde guild that needed a bit of extra help in the first weeks of Naxx, we'd do the following before patchwerk: We'd summon the tanks to camp taurajo in the barrens, and hand each of them some pre-farmed blood shards. The tanks would turn in the shards to recieve a 10min? 15min? percentage-based armor buff. The raid-summoners would summon the tanks back to naxx, and once inside, we'd summon the tanks again to get to patchie, and then we'd engage.
We probably couldn't have risked it on a PVP server though.
Loved the vid WillE! Our guild used to use arcanite dragonlings for the fire mages to pump too. Also we had a designated mage use fetish of the sand reaver to pick up the ignite tick and reduce threat for us to pump harder.
the level 13 quest items that only work on undead in the blood elf starting area that are still being used even in wotlk, they give a 10 minute buff for 30 attack power or 12 spellpower vs undead mobs only
Story time. Had a buddy in a guild that would just use the lost item feature ever 2 weeks or so to get MCP back smart as hell. Told me about it during phase 1 I'm TBC because we did the same thing to get the rings from the kara quest chain. Miss that guy
I played Era and dealt with all the buffs raiding but hearing you lay everything out in this video really shows how absurd and ridiculous it was to have all those buffs in the game in the first place
What's crazy is all those world buffs weren't even necessary. People being properly geared and knowing even a half decent rotation was all you needed.
Parsing turned into a community sport, like a way to test yourself. It was fun in its own way to go for all these buffs and look at how annihilated a current raid tier could be.
I remember in MoP I used to run a pre-pull set on my warrior. It was the Firelands 2 set that gave a small damage boost after battle shouting lol
You could do the same with demonology warlock and moonwell challice in 4.2 to stack as much mastery as possible.
That started in cata with fury mastery, throw on a full mastery stat set, pop cds, swap to regular gear. Do this as pull timer is going to snapshot the mastery into deathwish. Always amusing when it was mistimed and you were stuck in greens on a boss lmao
In Legion there was a green gem from classic called Enchanted Pearl that gave like +10 flat to all stats but it actually gave +10% to all stats because something in legion broke the math with it. It was broken and I used it for EN ToV until it got fixed in NH. Good times
What's the difference between "+10% flat to all stats" and "+10% to all stats"?
@@kedabro1957 +10 to all stats but it was instead increasing all stats by 10%
@@kedabro1957 the difference is I wrote +10 flat not +10% flat read it again my guy
There's an orc caster NPC near the beginning of Upper Blackrock Spire with a fire resistance buff. We mind controlled it, and ran our 40 raiders through 15 at a time to get it. It was useful vs Ragnaros in Molten Core.
In the Night Elf starting zone, near the lake is an NPC that has a quest to find seeds or something to that effect. When the quest is completed, 3 plants spawn and can be tagged by anyone nearby. They would drop a consumable that would increase damage by a whopping 1. Yes one. On Private servers I would camp the area and whisper new people how to do the quest so I could effectively farm these, as they only would spawn upon completion of this quest. I could sell them for 3-5 gold a piece!
Crazy min-maxers
Ahh... good memory. Too bad my study got in the way and I couldn't finish TBC with my guild :(
In classic my guild reached the point after farming Naxx, where our main tank warrior could outheal some healers in fights if we had enough dps, just because of how little healing needed to go out while his flask buff kept him topped off.
Only loatheb
Feral Druid in my guild farmed those pummelers every single week for every raid in Classic. I don't know how he did it, but hey I solo'd Dire Maul North, Maraudon and BRD Arenas as a hunter so maybe he wasn't that crazy
we had a bear tank that spent every minute he played outside of raiding in gnomer. I actually felt bad for the guy haha
As a bear running speedruns i spent quite some time farming pummelers. Between gold farming and mcp rng sometimes it could get really tight on time before being forced to get all the world buffs.
Buffing up in WoW Classic took longer than the raid itself.
I was the rogue class lead in my guild back in vanilla. My second and I used to battle it out every week in Molten Core for top dps and it was quite a riot.
Additionally we had a token ret paladin who swung Nightfall. Having a ret paladin was not min/max but swinging Nightfall was enough dps increase to our caster combined with the ret DPS that it was a net positive raid addition.
Nightfall was a meme. It’s better to just have another good dps instead of a ret
@@Augrills Raiding with your friends is bis. He's been in the guild three expansions and hit top 6 world as ret on Gluth. Totally worth it my friend.
I played feral cat dps in vanilla. I found the best strategy to be wearing a full set of healing gear, spending all talents into restoration and keeping the other dps alive. And when all was going good, I would go in cat form and help out a little. Such as druid class call at Nefarian.
So you were just resto
@@Wyrmshield my brother in Christ, that was the joke
@@Wyrmshield Yea but think about my effective dps. All the warriors and rouges that lived to strike another crit for me thanks to my unique strategy.
Along with this. A not so careful study would show that the resto tree was hot garbage and you could get a vast majority of your healing out of the first 2 levels. This, you could be 31 pt feral, and still be a raid healer, but also be able to truly swap roles as needed. I rolled LotP as a healer/off tank. Even sitting there as a kitty spamming FF was better than anything else for trash...
Bag of Marbles and Light of Elune are two items that you receive early game that can be very powerful late game.
Bag of marbles is a 25% accuracy debuff for 10 sec.
Light of Elune grants immunity from all spells and damage for 10 sec.
19:22 Guhh I was so glad when sunwell finally dropped and i could wear plate on my ret for once.
wasn't there a buff in alterac (battleground), where u got 10% increased armor when u finished a quest?
We had frost mages getting the minor frost damage buff from BFD in our sweater MC runs. +15 frost spell damage. 97 to 99 parses with all the consumes, buffs etc. Mad.
Doing all this world buff merry-go-round sounds like a nightmare.
I did all of this just to top the meters on my rogue, including getting warchief's blessing with mind control. The raids were piss easy and could have been done naked probably. I regret it and it damn near gives me PTSD thinking about collecting all the buffs every week. I had 5 accounts with a hunter to clear dire maul and warlocks and clickers set up at various locations. I made hella gold selling summons and tribute buffs, like it seemed like a cheat code or something I made so much gold. All of my memories of classic are traumatic.
That sounds so utterly miserable LOL
I miss the old intros with the gnome head in random places...
World buffing became a quest in and of itself. It contributed to raid logging but it sure was an interesting social experiment. The coordination was extensive. Between that and world bosses, classic classic was clearly the most fun of the expansions of Classic WoW.
We knew about the chicken guaranteed proc in Naxx!
As far as food buffs go and me playing a rogue, there was a fish, that gave like 20 agility (I am not sure about the value any more). But what made this interesting was the matter, you could only fish it for 6 months, then next 6 months there was another fish that was replacing it.
So to max it out you needed the supply for 6 months to store for the period.
Black Lotus was another interesting herb, that had long respawn. So I leveled up 2 characters just to do the early morning trip in 2 zones to ensure the income for myself and guild members. Yes they payed me for that.
The HP flask if I remember correct was good even in Burning Crusade, so this went on for quite a while for me. Funny story - since I did the round trip 0700 in the morning I noticed the plants were gone for 2 days, so I pushed the alarm clock 30 mins back, so I got the plants insted. Long behold after few days the plants were gone again. So I turned the alarm even earlier to 0600. I think I ended up ap 0530 for quite some time and then could go back to 0700 and it seems my competitor has quit doing the area.
Hunter's using Steam Tonks to instantly dismiss their pets and then cancelling the Tonk, to call the pet again. Would instantly heal pets to full. With most hunter's being BM in TBC, that was a huge amount of dps you could save from not having to revive your pets
Thank you so so much. This comment will help my HC Hunter a LOT. I love you bro.
You forgot to mention that you can resist the mind control as alliance, causing you to miss your warchief's blessing.
I spent more time and effort making a lvl 19 twink Rogue to lay waste to Warsong Gulch then any of my other characters back in the day. In fact, my entire guild spent a large amount of time being bodyguards while I was fishing in STV and farming arena trinkets.
As an alliance char in classic, I had 3 lvl 20 locks for summoning (felwood, DM:N inside and OG for rend). I also had a 2nd account as horde lvl 20 priest with gnomish cap for MC. Buffs were really coordinated on discord cross-faction but man there were people and times where it was nearly impossible and required your best focus and several low level scouts and high level/high geared alts for protection. Especially towards the end. I remember nights on end trying to find THE BEST possible spot in OG which was extremely trivial. Training so much to jump on mountains (which was difficult but when you got the gist, was very easy to duplicate) both on barrens side and azshara side of orgrimmar terrain. And then chronoboon happened. Late as ever with blizzard but yeah.. Fun times :D :D
Miss them!
My shaman used the windfury totem (chance on hit to proc attack) and Ironfoe (Offhand) (Chance on hit to make more hits), Hand of Justice trinket (On hit may make one more hit). All extra attacks are handled by the main hand weapon's damage.
When I raided every so often an enemy would lose almost all its helth and the enemy would turn to me and squish me. My raid called my self rez my agro drop. One way to haze new raiders is to see how they reacted to this happening.
In Vanilla, My Hunter ran Shammy healing gear so I could set my pet (A Winterspring Owl named 'Hyperborean') as a tank and spam channel-heal and keep it alive as an off-tank for fun guild raids.
You should mention Prot Paladin in Classic and the Greater Blessing of Kings threat generation strategy
Cucking 39 people so the pally can feel special
Ouro AQ40 the big one
@@cyndrr I'm so glad the mere mention of prot paladin in classic still makes people angry! Hahaha
When we were raiding MC we would have our tanks grab the Fire Resist buff from the mobs inside Blackrock Spire. It was an easy 65fr that helped out a bunch when it can time for Rag and later in BWL for Firemaw.
Another little dps increase I remember is Warriors /sit to get auto-crit by a mob to get more rage. If it was a mob that didn't hit hard, even DPS could do it. Was fixed a long time ago though.
Also a very, very minor DPS increase - the sword dropped by the Headless Horseman. Make a macro to use its effect to summon the pumpkins and switch to your main weapon. Only a trickle of extra damage - but hey, its easy to do.
Oh, and Hunters using Steam Tonk Controller to auto-recall and heal their pets. That was practically mandatory during TBC because pets would die SO EASILY and their pathfinding was abysmal. Thank goodness that was fixed too.
i remember as a feral druid, farming 30+ crowd pummelers and stockpilling em in my bank.
You can’t walk into orgrammar and mind control a warchief.
Every old god: challenge accepted
I kinda miss this aspect of wow in a way. The personal time to gather all your consumes (firewater, wipper root, ekos..) and then you got to chill in disc waiting on buffs and coordinating with other guilds. Unfortunately this wouldn't work as were not in lockdown anymore
Crowd Pummeler, ha.
I also did some tanking in the ICC 5-mans with the Earthshaker - because bear Swipe triggered it a LOT.
I miss melee and ranged having separate swing timers.
I don't miss melee weaving at all lol
I collected all world buffs every week on my warrior as a solo player with a single account, the insane lengths i would go for and hours i spent on my alt hunter to check that every area was safe was insane. Even then some even bigger sperg would dispell my buffs out of nowhere in the middle of nowhere lol. Just hearing the word Songflower makes me shudder. Not to mention the intricate ways i would come up with to try and get the Dark Moon Faire buff in Elwynn Forest. Absolutely ridiculous thinking back, never again.
I remember creating several hundred characters to farm Valentine chocolate for a 23 sp increase, as well as buffing our mages with arcanite dragonling. And snowballs as a caster, with a snowball cast macroed into every ability you had, insane on long fights such as loatheb.
Not even regarding items farmed that could roll different stats.
Bracers in BRD that had fire res, and then wanted a shadow spell dmg roll, off hand from sunken temple.
Even the epic Mara dagger which gave mages unlimited mana for boosting/farming.
I remember those days fondly, even though firemaw horde made it a sport to grief.
Warriors : I know its hard to remember
Feral Druids : hzfeugafejkgfuilgwefahuilsfkiuhaewfku
Warriors : the people we used to be
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Warriors : When we called it love but even the sun sets in paradise
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Warriors : I´m at a payphone trying to call home
Oh please. Legion feral Druid was by far the most insanely stupid min max class ever created. Literally multiple times a day the sims would change and people would be running new stats, trinks, and talents. It was horrendously beautiful for the time I had to take part in it!
Should be mentioned about Weak Troll's Blood Potions; the change to energy regen was reverted on druid specifically really early, within month of TBC release. Thank god, since the revised energy regen sucked. Otherwise TBC was pretty straightforward, outside of regular powershifting. You could even dump wolfshead for CVoS, Guise - BiS had T6 helmet to maintain set bonus.
WotLK is bit wilder. Poweshifting is gone (RIP), but there is bearweaving (going bear during low energy), flowershifting/powergifting (casting Gift of Wild to proc Omen of Clarity), snakeweaving/idolswapping (using albino white snake or swapping idol to reset swingtimer when shifting back to cat) and dual talent treant shenanigans (pre-pull swap to balance spec, summon treants, swap back to feral before pull).
Day 1 feral btw
Druids need to lay off the herbalism
Not a buff, but after a rough couple weeks with the trash between Twin Emps and C'Thun in AQ40 my guild started 'fishing' AQ40 instances. I was actually the priest in my guild who learned how to Mind Vision my way into that last section so I could count the spawns of the two different kinds of mobs in the big groups, and then resetting the raid until I found one with a low enough number of the mind controlling mobs. We later add a trash skip to skip half of these packs that involved a hunter sneaking into Ouro's room, getting aggro and force teleporting a bunch of the raid into the room, and a rezer with a soulstone resurrecting everyone in the room, then summoning the folks with world buffs who would be logged out during the rest of this.
to note: Warcraft Logs invalidated any battle chicken buff in BT. so it wouldn't have mattered anyway outside of raw dps.
The Ravager from Scarlet Monestary had a proc that did damage to all nearby targets (3 hits) - on a paladin with Seal of the Crusader, each hit it (when it procced -.-) had a chance to get off a SoC proc on each hit mob as well... Meaning loads of damage to AoE packs. Some people complained about not being able to stop spinning, but all they had to do was start casting a holy light )or use the cancelmacro.
Worked very well on packs towards Patchwerk, mini drakes in bwl and naturally aq's bugs... Sometimes though, threat was a bit of an issue. Lots of uncontrolable damage.
I remember when you could get a priest friend to res a warlock pet after they sac it for their buff. So I had a friend who'd sac his Succubus for the 30% damage, alt+F4 while someone would res their pet, log back in to have the damage buff up and the pet now alive. He did this while stacking shadow power so he could just do pom pyro damage with a shadowbolt in arathi basin and it was hilarious.
Also, rek bomb man. Let's just one shot bosses.
Damn man, talking to that guy in Diremaul right at the start of the staircase. If I was a hunter selling those buffs I'd be so mad at you.
The biggest and best thing i found was doing the spirit build as a solo warrior, screw the downtime between kills lol