@@razatlab2804 I hate blitzcrank in-game but he is such a great robot bro(RoBro?) I'm willing to forgive the hundreds of times he hook, uppercutted me.
@@azule638 i main champs that are hard to counter just to know how to counter them, basically have good reflexes and a wave of minions at all times, if he goes for the melee then hook you are fucked.
Btw, the shot where Viktor shows the laser claw to Heimerdinger, and the "camera" is in an angle where it looks like his future third arm, just brilliant
I remember when necrit made a video about Victor's lore, and the glorious evolution gang was created in the comments. Glorious evolution gang is still here!
To be fair: He betrayed his mentor because he was blocking research that could save Viktor’s life. He wanted to share the credit with Victor but Victor refused Victor is obsessed and works any time he isn’t sleeping or dying of tuberculosis so Victor is working while Jayce is doing pretty much anything.
Viktor is obsessed because that he is dying. Unlike Jayce, who has all the time in the world to do whatever he wants, whenever he wants, Viktor's days are numbered and he could die at any moment.
People are literally jumping on the jayce hatewagon for no reason whatsoever lol. Or they're just delusional since from what I've seen jayce has done nothing but treat viktor as a good friend.
@@voidgivenfocus they are based on the old lore, where jayce did some bad stuff, but most of the lore was written out of nowhere, just for the sake of doing it, so sometimes chock value was a focus, just to call for attention now as it is something already calling for attention, they will make less exaggerated actions, at least i think so
@@voidgivenfocus people act like jayce stole the limelight but viktor never wanted it. ever. and they don't understand the overwhelm pressure towards jayce.
Viktor: Works for the good of Zaun and Piltover Sleeping in the lab because of work Discovers much more than Jayce Doesn't want to be super famous 99% of lol players are just as shy as he is Jayce: Literally Jayce.
And according to what we saw if it weren't for victor jayce would be actually dead like YOU OWE HIM YOUR LIFE PUT SOME EFFORT TO HELP HIM U UNGRATEFUL BASTARD
@@subjecthotel3388 again, that shows Viktor as really good person He had Jayce's notebook, he could just wait for his sucide and then use all his work to gain fame. But he's not greedy person, imo he's carring for other misunderstanded people
Heimerdinger getting booted was the right choice, Jayce kicked him out so he can further hextech research for viktor. Heimer is a yordle, the man literally doesn’t understand mortality, always saying “the world isn’t ready, it has to be done in the future,” when people don’t live as long as he does
Don't forget Singed. He worked on the same subject for many years and didn't let his injuries or ethics stop him. The mutation must survive, the hustle never stops.
I really dont see how people are having an issue with Jayce. Everything hes done has been completely justified and hes been shown to have true compassion for Viktor as well other characters.
to be fair this is a major retcon to both their lores cus in the orginal lore jayce was way more cocky arogant and was stated to have never truly have been friends with viktor plus jayce killed like 200 people because of jealousy so some people who are lore whores may just have a pre disposition to disliking him plus he is a ranged top laner so fuck him
Arcane gave them more nuance. It's just that the official lore short stories about them released in the web Jayce is a real egotistical a-hole and Viktor the martyr/misunderstood villain.
@@xderrodecki8905 Actually Jayce and Viktor's lores give conflicting stories about whether the two of them were friends or not. It seems that Jayce considered the two of them to be friends while Viktor didn't. Also pretty sure he didn't kill Viktor's machine-men until Viktor literally tried to kill him.
Viktor was all LIKE: Reject Bitches Embrace Science. damn bro I just love his character, and he is focused on help other people, I wonder if in this series (arcane) will show him creating blitzcrank, it would be fun to see that.but i absolutely loved his character, and cait. glad cait didnt stayed with jayce, even tho he is an asshole he is my main.
I have no idea why people feel like Jayce is a shitty friend: At the Beginning of act 2 he invites Viktor to be at the spotlight with him and takes the decision that Heimer wants. Then, why did he betray the Donger after taking his side? Out of desperation due to Viktor's state! How is that not comprehensible?
Just wanna say that even in the old lore, Jayce was never meant to be bad. He was supposed to be an egoistic person with terrible attitude but good at heart, in contrary with Viktor being charismatic and well manner but having flawed idealism. And people tend to be more fond of latter type of characters because we rarely encouter their personality in real life, making it harder to associate strong negative feeling toward them. Tl,dr: It's easier to hate a asshole-ish coworker then to hate a cool serial murderer.
@@cedrusnguyen5188 But viktor never murdered anyone on the old lore lmao, he is like a misunderstood villain that basically wants to cure everything but at the cost of humanity as a concept, making cyborgs and shit, jayce wants to prevail the humanity because he thinks that viktor forces them to become machines and that is better to die than being controlled for eternity or something, either that or just because he is an asshole
I find it hilariously sad how at the same moment Jayce is going the sextech route falling on a bed, Viktor not only passes out but his cane pretty much falls on top of him right after.
Man I never though the hextech story would be my favourite but man that scene with Heimerdinger had me torn up on who was doing the right thing: Jayce wants his friend to live, Viktor wants a legacy and Heim wants to protect what he still has
Viktor became my favorite champion after watching arcane, in the series he has the most enjoyable character, and playing him in league is very calming and overall great.
You're doing my boy jayce dirty! He betrayed heimer only because he think the hextech core might save Viktor's life, he does aknowledge other's people help, I don't know where that come from, and he values the citizen's life (at least more than the other councilors lol). And my boy has the right to get laid sometime give him a break
All throughout it is apparent that he's taking Viktor for granted. He just realized how much he mean to him when Viktor is dying. Ngl, Arcane gave them nuance because Jayce is just an a-hole in LoL Lore official short stories.
@@hinnyu7748 Jayce didn't, it's Viktor who didn't wanted to go on the speech with him. To be fair, Jayce could insist, but he never alienated Viktor from credit of his work, and he only got recognized because the hextech idea was his, just like you say Elon Musk is getting us to Mars, not his employees. He is a good man, trying his best
@@x_Degurechaff_x nothing of the source, for Christ sake. It's a matter of patent, brand. Jayce invented the hextech, so it's his name stamped on the flyers, even if Viktor is as good, if not better at the stuff than Jayce.
I really feel sorry for viktor, one scene that pretty much captures him as a person is when he was a child, he built a boat toy which he attempted to chase, but since he's a cripple he tripped and didnt catch up to it. I think it symbolizes a lot of his decisions in the series, he is a sick man who wants to perfect his inventions, he wants to do amazing things, but because he has these health problems it holds him back significantly, he always feels rushed, as if he is chasing something that he could never catch up to.
And perhaps the next step in his arc is to overcome those... human flaws. First he might make Blitzcrank to prove he can make a magic powered machine with sentience using the Hexcore. Then he decides to take it a step further: transfer his mind into a machine.
Jayce never did anything bad in this arcane lore wtf? You are referencing the outdated lore. Even in interview with necrit, the creators said they need to change stuff here and there to realize the characters.
I like both of them, to me they are very similar people just in very different circumstances. Jayce is getting more than he ever wanted, but has 0 idea how to handle it. You can see him changing his mind a lot throughout the show coz he is treating politics like science, he is trying to find the correct formula for a good world..but just like in science - experiments can blow up in your face. Viktor is doing the same.
Yo Jayce ain't a bad friend. He gets all the credits for the hextech because he is the one who started it, he's the face of the operation because he has a marketable face (you know that square jaw is what the public want) and Viktor clearly does not care for fame nor recognition, he wants to help people. He's in a very tough place having to balance his ideals with the harsh reality of the ruling class being hypocritical jackasses who only care for their fortune. They do have a different vision of what Hextech should be but other than that on the friendship department they are doing good for now
Not really tho. - Jayce included Viktor from the very beginning - "our hextech". He asked Viktor to go on stage with him just like Viktor is invited to all of the parties. It's Viktor who wanted non of those. - He "betrayed" Heimerdinger for the sake of saving Viktor. He didn't do it because he wanted to - remember when Viktor made the discovery that Hextech can adapt or w/e, Jayce's first suggestion was to loop in Heimerdinger who could help. Just like he didn't reveal the Hexclaw and lazer during his previous speech, because he followed Heimerdinger's advise. He even agreed to take blame after the hextech was stolen by Jinx and said he agrees for all hextech technology to be suspended. Really not focused only on himself, esp after they made him a chairman (which he didn't ask for) and he tried sorting out the whole conspiracy mess with the police, give Cait a post after she got fired etc. - Does acknowledge help, as already stated with Viktor. - Viktor has love - both from Jayce, from the assistant that literally wanted to spend time with him. - Has support from the above & from Heimer, who comforted him after the hospital scene. - He did "betray" Heimer when he went behind his back to support Jayce's hextech idea. And who knows how things will turn out now after his visit with Singed. - His motivations are clear, he's interested in progress & helping those in need asap; that's why he's not accepted the love from his assistant, Jayce's invitations to the podium and attendance to parties - he doesn't care about social life as much. It's his choice. They all extended a hand to him. He just has other priorities.
Victor is such an inspiring character. He is extraordinarily gifted, hardworking, ambitious and ready to give his all to people for the good, but his own health simply does not give him enough time... No, of course he will survive, thanks to magic and technology, but if you forget about it... His character deserves more admiration and sympathy :')
Jayce seems like a very normal dude. He really wanted to do his stuff hextech research, then when he realised it would be used for arms he retracted from showing it on stage even with his allies pressure. He didn't have much choice in making deals with hextech later on, he would just get removed from the business and wouldn't have any influence over it. He has to play the game to some extend. He still puts in work to ensure the safety. The romance seems like the lady just manipulates him, but he really just wants emotional support. Hes really the closest to every human, balancing between logic and emotions. He acknowledges the dangers of hextech but isn't willing to put it over his friends life.
People give jayce a bad rep. Pretty much every decision he has made so far has been completely selfless. From offering to pause his lifes work to ensure piltover's safety to voting his mentor out of the council because he was standing in the way of saving viktor. People give him shit for playing politics even tho it's made clear to us that his moral compass is so finely tuned that he creates enemies everywhere, meaning he has to start playing politics if he wants to keep himself alive
I don't think Singed is mad, either. I think Vik sees himself in Singed, but Singed is more biological than mechanical. They're both men of science, but they do it to extremes.
Jayce- *instead of leaving the project he came* This is the perfect reason to make you in a powerful viktor main, and literally come a part on the glorious evolution
I knew Viktor as a character before Arcane. But I never realised how much I loved the mentality behind the ideas Viktor has until I finished Arcane. Now I love the machine more than the man.
Oh come on, Jayce "betrayed" Heimer because of Viktor, he loves him as a brother. I mean, he left Mel as soon as he heard the news that Viktor is dying. Oh an he offered Viktor a place beside him in the spotlight but Viktor refused Yea I'm a Jayce main, how can you tell?
Viktor literally hid the fact that he's dying to Jayce since he only heard about it recently, and he chose to overwork himself, not even asking to Jayce for help
I mean jayce in arcane is quite decent until he kill hundreds of sick people, let'a be clear people hating on jayce not because of what happened in the show but what will possibly happen in the next episodes based on the lore
@@tonilaseng4620 that's why i said possibly, but i still think that it will happen after the conversation of jayce and viktor "you must destroy it, promise me" i would assume that the hexcore is the crystal that viktor would use on his experiments on the zaunites, jayce would then fulfill that promise unknowingly killing sick zaunites
Jayce did care about viktor. He always gives him credit too, he said to viktor "our hextech dream". And jayce did not let heimerdinger destroy the hexcore too since he knows this will save viktor's life. So no he is not selfish. Maybe in the future though?
He is pretty selfish though. While his friend was dying and searching about the hextech, Jayce left him to have sex with someone that is trying to manipulate him. Plus, Jayce got to be at the council, and he didn't said anything about Viktor. As another plus, the face of the creator of the hextech is Jayce. There is no Viktor around. You can see it in his cup in, I think, episode four.
@@wigfrid6126 isnt it because viktor doesnt want attention? I mean jayce did offer viktor to come to stage with him when he was about to do his speech but viktor refused.
Exactly, so many people here appear to be hating on Jayce, even though he doesn't deserve it. He didn't know viktor was dying, and when he did, he practically dropped everything to help him. He even left the girl he was sleeping with by herself to see his friend and waited by his bedside until he woke up. He removed heimerdinger from the counsel so that he couldn't interfere with the hex core. If anything, Jayce has shown some pretty great stuff.
@@wigfrid6126 wtf? Jayce just left him for a political event, How was he going to know what would happen? Also jayce wanted to share the recognition with Víktor but he doesn't want it. Stop with this shitty old lore things.
correct me if im wrong, but viktor actually is supported by jayce despite him getting laid. thats why jayce decided to kick heimerdinger off to protect viktors hardship and life. so technically he is getting support.
“Jayce only focuses on himself” Jayce: did what the council thought was best when it came to war even though he disagreed. Broke the law risking everything he had for the benefit of his people in the future. Went against the man he respected most in order to save Victor. DIDN’T EVEN HAGGLE. The fandom: Ah yes. Selfishness at its finest
I wonder how they incorporate Blitzcrank's creation into his new Arcane lore. Originally in his release lore he was THE creator of blitz. Then credit for it was stolen from him by some "Professor". So far no professor was introduced. There was almost no hints on Vik's "Glorious evolution" too, expect his signature third hand as new invetion. Nonthanless it seems to going to be better origin story than current one on League's website. It was always odd to me that he went full robotisation because of his 1 stolen creation. Now it's more plausible to see him going into "revolution". Even despite "deadly disease" being main motivating factor trope.
I mean, Jayce didn't really do anything bad, actually he tried doing good. i mean, he couldnt do anything for Viktor. He also wanted Viktor to be part of his succes, asking him to go on stage with him, Viktor refused. He betrayed Heimer, but heimer also wanted him not to use the only thing that could help save his friends life so yeah. In the end, I kinda like Jayce, he's a good guy in fine.
Tbh I totally didn't know anything about Jayce's and Vik's lore pre arcane. Seeing this now... I didn't expect Viktor but I like him the most so far out of all Arcane characters.
I don’t agree with your Take on Jayce. I mean he worked hard too, without him there won’t be any progress. Granted Viktor helped him a lot. He betrayed his teacher in order to get a chance to save Viktor, he did it by loyalty towards Viktor. I mean he had no issue with delaying his progress as his master suggested it. But with Viktor’s life in line he couldn’t listen him anymore.
@@morkez5854 the show is the lore now. The show has retconned most of the lore of each character that appears. Jayce in the lore had an easy peazy life. Not here. Jayce in the lore did not create hextech, he did here. Singed was a teacher till hextech appeared, not here...
After watching this I remembered "This is war 2", planning to compare and contrast the peak of Victor's voice and what we will see in chapter 3, if we do get anything.
0:10 I mean i don't like Jayce either but don't put false blame on him: - He didn't know at the time he got laid that Viktor was dying and he doesn't need to work at night, you don't do that either. - He kicked him from the council to save Viktor to let him do his experiment in peace without Heimer trying to cancel it. - He's self-centered, but i wouldn't say he's ONLY focused on himself. - He does aknowledge it but he's so full of himself that he doesn't really remember it half of the time - Because of this free Jayce skin i've seen more peoples feeding with jayce mid/top in the last few days than i've seen in 8 years of playing. - Yasuo appreciates it Note: This Jayce in Arcane is far less egoistical as the one in the lore, i really recommend considering them as 2 different entities.
when i watched arcane i talked about this with my friend and this is exactly what i had in mind when i saw viktor and jayce i expected the sigma music theme with viktor tho
Jayce: Having the time of his life
Viktor: Getting a timer on his life
And I hold my own timer ngl
I'm just wondering what to set the time to😭
Hilarious
LMAO OH NO
but with all his body experiments its more like a stopwatch
Jayce: *losing his virginity*
Viktor: *losing his breathing licence*
Viktor's splash art: I am a bad robot
Viktor in the lore: I want to help the poor city
That's kind of his whole character concept.
A scientific hero with progress so radical that people fear and misunderstand him as a villain
well, he does created Blitzcrank for the poor city.
@@morning7947 we all know that if someone created blitzcrank then that someone is the best guy, its like meeting braum´s dad.
@@razatlab2804 I hate blitzcrank in-game but he is such a great robot bro(RoBro?) I'm willing to forgive the hundreds of times he hook, uppercutted me.
@@azule638 i main champs that are hard to counter just to know how to counter them, basically have good reflexes and a wave of minions at all times, if he goes for the melee then hook you are fucked.
Female tried to distract sigma from his grind
Sigma swiftly declined
have to stay focused on that grindset
Lmao love this comment 🤣
The very fact that he had the chance to get laid and he turns it down DAMN
The determination!!
@@ejnova7215 He's about as straight as a circle, if the line "wait, this isn't my bedroom" wasn't clear enough
@@pineapplefrostyfruits9225 what
Viktor: *dying*
Sex scene: oh no, anyways
Its... Kind of like Viktor was creating a different kind of life.
This arc turned me into a Viktor main.
welcome to the gang
Same
welcome :D
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high IQ move brotha, focus on that laser
Btw, the shot where Viktor shows the laser claw to Heimerdinger, and the "camera" is in an angle where it looks like his future third arm, just brilliant
Isn't that the point doe?
@@Versussy It is, I just think the camera angle was so good, as the arm isn't really in his shoulder, but it looks like it is
@@omega7057 also, when he's carving the stone with the laser, it's foreshadowing his "evolution at all costs" with how it actually slices the tablet.
It's a foreshadowing
@@denmarkfroirristingmanansa4019 *NO SHIT-*
Glorious evolution superiority
Glorious evolution superiority
I remember when necrit made a video about Victor's lore, and the glorious evolution gang was created in the comments. Glorious evolution gang is still here!
Glorious evolution superiority
Glorious evolution superiority
What defines the “glorious evolution”?
Finally my main is getting some recognition
Glorious evolution finally arises
viktor main here too
It's time for us to get more skins!
We all will one day live in the era of glorious evolution(caster meta)
@@Макаронноизбранныйпират This new season looks nice for mages
@@Jumooo Human Viktor skin with that hextech arm would be sick
To be fair:
He betrayed his mentor because he was blocking research that could save Viktor’s life.
He wanted to share the credit with Victor but Victor refused
Victor is obsessed and works any time he isn’t sleeping or dying of tuberculosis so Victor is working while Jayce is doing pretty much anything.
i know the video is just a joke , but i really agree with all of your points , jayce is a good character on its own and victor too.
Viktor is obsessed because that he is dying. Unlike Jayce, who has all the time in the world to do whatever he wants, whenever he wants, Viktor's days are numbered and he could die at any moment.
I hope people actually understand that Jayce went against Heimer because he threatened to destroy something that could save Viktor
and according to lore, it will, i think that was the first step on Viktor's transformation
People are literally jumping on the jayce hatewagon for no reason whatsoever lol. Or they're just delusional since from what I've seen jayce has done nothing but treat viktor as a good friend.
@@voidgivenfocus they are based on the old lore, where jayce did some bad stuff, but most of the lore was written out of nowhere, just for the sake of doing it, so sometimes chock value was a focus, just to call for attention
now as it is something already calling for attention, they will make less exaggerated actions, at least i think so
@@voidgivenfocus true, jayce does treats his friends well. We all saw how he treat his little buddy down south delicately with the council president
@@voidgivenfocus people act like jayce stole the limelight but viktor never wanted it. ever. and they don't understand the overwhelm pressure towards jayce.
Viktor is real chad. He deserves power.
singed is about to give him that
Simple as
cait gets vi
jayce gets sextech
what does Victor get?
THE GLORIOUS EVOLUTION
Reject Pussy, embrace revolution. we should do the same
@@Rukasu123 couldn't agree more
@@Rukasu123 sigma viktor casually shrugs off femoid to prevent distraction during the grind
Metal is perfection.
@@inmate32 no, pussy can decreased your tension
,,betrayed his teacher''
Ignore the fact that he betrayed heimerdinger because he wanted to save Viktor at all costs.....
Then killed all the sick ppl that viktor was trying to save in zaun bc viktor "stole" an hextech stone for his research
@@gerardopellegrini2698 arcane story is different from lore
@@takotugulashvili5190 source: believe me bro I got a friend that works for riot
@@gerardopellegrini2698 oh okay my bad
@@takotugulashvili5190 it's similar. Newer short stories from the lore were adapted to Arcane
Don't forget there was a hint of girl liking Viktor while he was grinding this sweet hextech research. My boy wasn't even trying. True chad.
And some of the girls watching arcane 😘
@@bungarin4041 I now in boy world the Chad just need himself
His sigma male aura was to much for her
Straight watch the seen were the gal asked Victor to go on a date and just said "Sigma male rule number 235 reject female embrace evolution"
Viktor:
Works for the good of Zaun and Piltover
Sleeping in the lab because of work
Discovers much more than Jayce
Doesn't want to be super famous
99% of lol players are just as shy as he is
Jayce:
Literally Jayce.
so true
And according to what we saw if it weren't for victor jayce would be actually dead like YOU OWE HIM YOUR LIFE PUT SOME EFFORT TO HELP HIM U UNGRATEFUL BASTARD
Jayce SEES HIM COUGH BLOOD N he like: Uh u OK? Yh OF COURSE HE IS COUGHING BLOOD IS FIIIINE DONT WORRY ABOUT IT YA DUNCE XD
@@subjecthotel3388 again, that shows Viktor as really good person
He had Jayce's notebook, he could just wait for his sucide and then use all his work to gain fame. But he's not greedy person, imo he's carring for other misunderstanded people
@@subjecthotel3388 pls don't say about that scene... I was just crying when i saw Viktor in hospital!
Heimerdinger getting booted was the right choice, Jayce kicked him out so he can further hextech research for viktor.
Heimer is a yordle, the man literally doesn’t understand mortality, always saying “the world isn’t ready, it has to be done in the future,” when people don’t live as long as he does
Omg true
He is still partly right
Its true. And also heim lived in the Rune wars period. Thats why his afraid of magic
Heimer is kinda right as well. He saw what destruction magic can do.
I don't remember well the lore at all, but heimerdinger wasn't supposed to be disguised as a human because reasons?
That hextech grinding make him more stronger and immortal with his new body
Don't forget Singed. He worked on the same subject for many years and didn't let his injuries or ethics stop him. The mutation must survive, the hustle never stops.
Viktor going to Singed to refine his grindset
I really dont see how people are having an issue with Jayce. Everything hes done has been completely justified and hes been shown to have true compassion for Viktor as well other characters.
Same,I like both Jayce and Vik tbh.
to be fair this is a major retcon to both their lores cus in the orginal lore jayce was way more cocky arogant and was stated to have never truly have been friends with viktor plus jayce killed like 200 people because of jealousy so some people who are lore whores may just have a pre disposition to disliking him plus he is a ranged top laner so fuck him
Arcane gave them more nuance. It's just that the official lore short stories about them released in the web Jayce is a real egotistical a-hole and Viktor the martyr/misunderstood villain.
Idk maybe because Jayce killed more than a hundred people that Viktor tried to save?
@@xderrodecki8905 Actually Jayce and Viktor's lores give conflicting stories about whether the two of them were friends or not. It seems that Jayce considered the two of them to be friends while Viktor didn't. Also pretty sure he didn't kill Viktor's machine-men until Viktor literally tried to kill him.
Viktor was all LIKE: Reject Bitches Embrace Science.
damn bro I just love his character, and he is focused on help other people, I wonder if in this series (arcane) will show him creating blitzcrank, it would be fun to see that.but i absolutely loved his character, and cait. glad cait didnt stayed with jayce, even tho he is an asshole he is my main.
Jayce and Cait are like siblings they dont see each pther that way
GENIUS DEDUCTION!
@@kyubeycoobie3568 yeah and cait and vi are just partners and they don’t see each other that way
@@Real_Genji i want to agree but in arcane there are 2 scenes so... Weird with cait and vi
i just want to see prototype viktor
I am ready to sacrifice my life for glorious evolution
Guess what mate
I have no idea why people feel like Jayce is a shitty friend: At the Beginning of act 2 he invites Viktor to be at the spotlight with him and takes the decision that Heimer wants. Then, why did he betray the Donger after taking his side? Out of desperation due to Viktor's state! How is that not comprehensible?
I feel like people are connecting too much the old lore, which is completly different
Yeah, like the other guy said. Jayce is... A tad more of a shizzy friend to Viktor in the lore of old.
Just wanna say that even in the old lore, Jayce was never meant to be bad. He was supposed to be an egoistic person with terrible attitude but good at heart, in contrary with Viktor being charismatic and well manner but having flawed idealism. And people tend to be more fond of latter type of characters because we rarely encouter their personality in real life, making it harder to associate strong negative feeling toward them.
Tl,dr: It's easier to hate a asshole-ish coworker then to hate a cool serial murderer.
@@cedrusnguyen5188 But viktor never murdered anyone on the old lore lmao, he is like a misunderstood villain that basically wants to cure everything but at the cost of humanity as a concept, making cyborgs and shit, jayce wants to prevail the humanity because he thinks that viktor forces them to become machines and that is better to die than being controlled for eternity or something, either that or just because he is an asshole
@@razatlab2804 Is turning into robots controlling by victor a cure?
Let's not forget the actual goat Singed who taught Viktor the grindset
I find it hilariously sad how at the same moment Jayce is going the sextech route falling on a bed, Viktor not only passes out but his cane pretty much falls on top of him right after.
Man I never though the hextech story would be my favourite but man that scene with Heimerdinger had me torn up on who was doing the right thing: Jayce wants his friend to live, Viktor wants a legacy and Heim wants to protect what he still has
Arcane: *exists
Aphelios Gaming: *I can milk you*
Noice
me before arcane :" viktor who?"
me after arcane :"flesh is wwweak! join the glorious evolution!"
Jayce has a whole thing where he’s worried about Viktor and he always included Viktor when talking about his success wym lol
imo Jayce isnt an asshole, Mel just played him like a fiddle. He is trying to save Viktor
Im the old lore he is a bit more of one.
Like a fiddle.. sticks?
UH THEY PLAY US LIKE A DAMN FIDDLE
@@Jolmev I hope not... Seeing him in action would be terrifying
@@lok4890 There's still a few more years from act 2 to modern day runterra, so we might see what makes him that egotistical Jerk
Viktor became my favorite champion after watching arcane, in the series he has the most enjoyable character, and playing him in league is very calming and overall great.
viktor SUPREMACY
"Hex before sex"
-Viktor
Well this aged spectacularly
You're doing my boy jayce dirty! He betrayed heimer only because he think the hextech core might save Viktor's life, he does aknowledge other's people help, I don't know where that come from, and he values the citizen's life (at least more than the other councilors lol). And my boy has the right to get laid sometime give him a break
All throughout it is apparent that he's taking Viktor for granted. He just realized how much he mean to him when Viktor is dying.
Ngl, Arcane gave them nuance because Jayce is just an a-hole in LoL Lore official short stories.
@@hinnyu7748 Jayce didn't, it's Viktor who didn't wanted to go on the speech with him.
To be fair, Jayce could insist, but he never alienated Viktor from credit of his work, and he only got recognized because the hextech idea was his, just like you say Elon Musk is getting us to Mars, not his employees.
He is a good man, trying his best
@@Palatinus-Z my man callin Viktor Jayce's employee. Dirty.
@@x_Degurechaff_x nothing of the source, for Christ sake. It's a matter of patent, brand.
Jayce invented the hextech, so it's his name stamped on the flyers, even if Viktor is as good, if not better at the stuff than Jayce.
@@x_Degurechaff_x Well he kinda is? Not like he wanted to really own the brand
*_In Jayce's defence, he pulled the baddest bitch on whole Runeterra_*
This aged like fine milk
Ikr
this sort of thinking is absolutely eccentric , hope you understand jayce's POV
take a good look, not the one you are looking at on a shallow page
Jayce is a simp while viktor has a simp.... be like viktor
they did my boi Viktor dirty - at least we still have CaitxVi
I really feel sorry for viktor, one scene that pretty much captures him as a person is when he was a child, he built a boat toy which he attempted to chase, but since he's a cripple he tripped and didnt catch up to it. I think it symbolizes a lot of his decisions in the series, he is a sick man who wants to perfect his inventions, he wants to do amazing things, but because he has these health problems it holds him back significantly, he always feels rushed, as if he is chasing something that he could never catch up to.
And perhaps the next step in his arc is to overcome those... human flaws. First he might make Blitzcrank to prove he can make a magic powered machine with sentience using the Hexcore. Then he decides to take it a step further: transfer his mind into a machine.
I just realised that Jayce is like Mr. Fantastic/ Iron Man while Viktor is basically Dr. Doom
“Doesn’t have love”
Also Viktor: “goodnight, miss young”
Jayce did a lot of bad things but making heimerdinger leave the council was to help Viktor.
Jayce never did anything bad in this arcane lore wtf?
You are referencing the outdated lore. Even in interview with necrit, the creators said they need to change stuff here and there to realize the characters.
Jayce hasn't done a single bad thing in arcane
Viktor is superior in every way. Jayce owes his life and work to him.
Well yeah, Jayce literally knows this and said it himself in the show that he owes Victor.
@@titel9870 Yeah, I'm just pointing it out
I like both of them, to me they are very similar people just in very different circumstances. Jayce is getting more than he ever wanted, but has 0 idea how to handle it. You can see him changing his mind a lot throughout the show coz he is treating politics like science, he is trying to find the correct formula for a good world..but just like in science - experiments can blow up in your face.
Viktor is doing the same.
Yo Jayce ain't a bad friend. He gets all the credits for the hextech because he is the one who started it, he's the face of the operation because he has a marketable face (you know that square jaw is what the public want) and Viktor clearly does not care for fame nor recognition, he wants to help people. He's in a very tough place having to balance his ideals with the harsh reality of the ruling class being hypocritical jackasses who only care for their fortune. They do have a different vision of what Hextech should be but other than that on the friendship department they are doing good for now
Hope Victor gets released in Wildrift soon
Same 😩
That's rather difficult. His E would be really problematic for a mobile game.
@@waidwml8443 His r as well
Not really tho.
- Jayce included Viktor from the very beginning - "our hextech". He asked Viktor to go on stage with him just like Viktor is invited to all of the parties. It's Viktor who wanted non of those.
- He "betrayed" Heimerdinger for the sake of saving Viktor. He didn't do it because he wanted to - remember when Viktor made the discovery that Hextech can adapt or w/e, Jayce's first suggestion was to loop in Heimerdinger who could help. Just like he didn't reveal the Hexclaw and lazer during his previous speech, because he followed Heimerdinger's advise. He even agreed to take blame after the hextech was stolen by Jinx and said he agrees for all hextech technology to be suspended. Really not focused only on himself, esp after they made him a chairman (which he didn't ask for) and he tried sorting out the whole conspiracy mess with the police, give Cait a post after she got fired etc.
- Does acknowledge help, as already stated with Viktor.
- Viktor has love - both from Jayce, from the assistant that literally wanted to spend time with him.
- Has support from the above & from Heimer, who comforted him after the hospital scene.
- He did "betray" Heimer when he went behind his back to support Jayce's hextech idea. And who knows how things will turn out now after his visit with Singed.
- His motivations are clear, he's interested in progress & helping those in need asap; that's why he's not accepted the love from his assistant, Jayce's invitations to the podium and attendance to parties - he doesn't care about social life as much. It's his choice. They all extended a hand to him. He just has other priorities.
Thanks. This a thousand times. Good to see someone actually watched and understood the show.
Victor is such an inspiring character. He is extraordinarily gifted, hardworking, ambitious and ready to give his all to people for the good, but his own health simply does not give him enough time... No, of course he will survive, thanks to magic and technology, but if you forget about it... His character deserves more admiration and sympathy :')
Jayce stop immediately when he heard what happened
Pals before gals
Jayce seems like a very normal dude. He really wanted to do his stuff hextech research, then when he realised it would be used for arms he retracted from showing it on stage even with his allies pressure. He didn't have much choice in making deals with hextech later on, he would just get removed from the business and wouldn't have any influence over it. He has to play the game to some extend. He still puts in work to ensure the safety. The romance seems like the lady just manipulates him, but he really just wants emotional support. Hes really the closest to every human, balancing between logic and emotions. He acknowledges the dangers of hextech but isn't willing to put it over his friends life.
Of course Viktor is a Sigma male. After all, he learned from the most Based man in Zaun; Singed.
Actally, Sky was support Viktor before she was dissapear
singed lore implications:
the entire globe of runeterra
The disrespect on Jayce after all the selfless things he's done is disgusting.
People give jayce a bad rep. Pretty much every decision he has made so far has been completely selfless. From offering to pause his lifes work to ensure piltover's safety to voting his mentor out of the council because he was standing in the way of saving viktor.
People give him shit for playing politics even tho it's made clear to us that his moral compass is so finely tuned that he creates enemies everywhere, meaning he has to start playing politics if he wants to keep himself alive
Viktor literally even helped a mad villain chemist without knowing that, as a Singed main I'm so hyped to see him and Viktor engaging together
I don't think Singed is mad, either. I think Vik sees himself in Singed, but Singed is more biological than mechanical. They're both men of science, but they do it to extremes.
Jayce- *instead of leaving the project he came*
This is the perfect reason to make you in a powerful viktor main, and literally come a part on the glorious evolution
I knew Viktor as a character before Arcane.
But I never realised how much I loved the mentality behind the ideas Viktor has until I finished Arcane.
Now I love the machine more than the man.
Do not be a part of the whole be the only whole. Keep up the grindset.
How is Jayce a bad friend? He kicked heimerdinger off the council to save Viktor's life.
Oh come on, Jayce "betrayed" Heimer because of Viktor, he loves him as a brother. I mean, he left Mel as soon as he heard the news that Viktor is dying. Oh an he offered Viktor a place beside him in the spotlight but Viktor refused
Yea I'm a Jayce main, how can you tell?
Viktor literally hid the fact that he's dying to Jayce since he only heard about it recently, and he chose to overwork himself, not even asking to Jayce for help
I mean jayce in arcane is quite decent until he kill hundreds of sick people, let'a be clear people hating on jayce not because of what happened in the show but what will possibly happen in the next episodes based on the lore
@@njamesp which will never happen 100% like the lore.
Ngl jayce never felt like the hollywood protagonist in a movie, and i cant complain about it-
@@tonilaseng4620 that's why i said possibly, but i still think that it will happen after the conversation of jayce and viktor "you must destroy it, promise me" i would assume that the hexcore is the crystal that viktor would use on his experiments on the zaunites, jayce would then fulfill that promise unknowingly killing sick zaunites
He got a support but he accidentally killed her
Jayce did care about viktor. He always gives him credit too, he said to viktor "our hextech dream". And jayce did not let heimerdinger destroy the hexcore too since he knows this will save viktor's life. So no he is not selfish. Maybe in the future though?
He is pretty selfish though. While his friend was dying and searching about the hextech, Jayce left him to have sex with someone that is trying to manipulate him. Plus, Jayce got to be at the council, and he didn't said anything about Viktor. As another plus, the face of the creator of the hextech is Jayce. There is no Viktor around. You can see it in his cup in, I think, episode four.
@@wigfrid6126 isnt it because viktor doesnt want attention? I mean jayce did offer viktor to come to stage with him when he was about to do his speech but viktor refused.
Exactly, so many people here appear to be hating on Jayce, even though he doesn't deserve it. He didn't know viktor was dying, and when he did, he practically dropped everything to help him. He even left the girl he was sleeping with by herself to see his friend and waited by his bedside until he woke up. He removed heimerdinger from the counsel so that he couldn't interfere with the hex core. If anything, Jayce has shown some pretty great stuff.
@@codybrown2169 i agree
@@wigfrid6126 wtf? Jayce just left him for a political event, How was he going to know what would happen?
Also jayce wanted to share the recognition with Víktor but he doesn't want it.
Stop with this shitty old lore things.
correct me if im wrong, but viktor actually is supported by jayce despite him getting laid. thats why jayce decided to kick heimerdinger off to protect viktors hardship and life. so technically he is getting support.
man viktor is my spirit animal these days.
-Kills his only true admirer
Because she was the one stopping him from becoming the SUPREME SIGMA MALE
Reject Tomorrow
*EMBRACE THE GLORIOUS EVOLUTION*
"nvm i just got green malphite skin" LMAO
jayce: has arcane skin
viktor: doesn't have arcane skin
who's the alpha
Hence forth Viktor has created a new generation of Viktor mains.
Join the glorious evolution!
“Jayce only focuses on himself”
Jayce: did what the council thought was best when it came to war even though he disagreed. Broke the law risking everything he had for the benefit of his people in the future. Went against the man he respected most in order to save Victor. DIDN’T EVEN HAGGLE.
The fandom: Ah yes. Selfishness at its finest
Both scientist slept through the ethic course!
Sir your pfp
If they didn't sleep through the ethics course, Hextech wouldn't exist.
@@nothoughtsheadempty804 i see nothing wrong with it...
I mean in Viktors case his ethics lesson came from singed lol
I still can't belive jayce was out there having sex while Viktor was dying. The whiplash I got...
I wonder how they incorporate Blitzcrank's creation into his new Arcane lore.
Originally in his release lore he was THE creator of blitz. Then credit for it was stolen from him by some "Professor".
So far no professor was introduced. There was almost no hints on Vik's "Glorious evolution" too, expect his signature third hand as new invetion.
Nonthanless it seems to going to be better origin story than current one on League's website. It was always odd to me that he went full robotisation because of his 1 stolen creation. Now it's more plausible to see him going into "revolution". Even despite "deadly disease" being main motivating factor trope.
that professor was stanwick, in arcane it's already dead, you can see its statue
@@septavius2073 That's intresting detail.
@@septavius2073 probably jayce will steal his invention by order of Mel , and that maybe how they become enemies
@@vaak2144 He already removed Donger from the council all to continue his research in Hextech to save Viktor's life.
@@vaak2144 That, or Vik fakes his death and works in Zaun, hiding it from Piltover because none of them can be trusted. ESPECIALLY Jayce.
Jayce is good friend for him
Well this is quite accurate, I must say!
GLORIOUS EVOLUTION GRINDING > bickering with other councilors
I mean, Jayce didn't really do anything bad, actually he tried doing good. i mean, he couldnt do anything for Viktor. He also wanted Viktor to be part of his succes, asking him to go on stage with him, Viktor refused. He betrayed Heimer, but heimer also wanted him not to use the only thing that could help save his friends life so yeah. In the end, I kinda like Jayce, he's a good guy in fine.
Jayce : prefer flesh
Victor : Glorious Evolution
Tbh I totally didn't know anything about Jayce's and Vik's lore pre arcane. Seeing this now... I didn't expect Viktor but I like him the most so far out of all Arcane characters.
This arc turned me into a jayce main
Sigma grind > Female interaction
Finally Viktor getting the importance he deserves. For the glorious evolution.
Viktor arguably has the love and “support” of Jayce and that one girl he turned down before he passed out while working. But Viktor is the true Sigma
All 8 Viktor mains enjoyed this
I don’t agree with your Take on Jayce. I mean he worked hard too, without him there won’t be any progress. Granted Viktor helped him a lot.
He betrayed his teacher in order to get a chance to save Viktor, he did it by loyalty towards Viktor. I mean he had no issue with delaying his progress as his master suggested it. But with Viktor’s life in line he couldn’t listen him anymore.
Lmao i think you didnt read the lore
@@morkez5854 I talk about Jayce in the tv show
@@morkez5854 the show is the lore now. The show has retconned most of the lore of each character that appears. Jayce in the lore had an easy peazy life. Not here. Jayce in the lore did not create hextech, he did here. Singed was a teacher till hextech appeared, not here...
@@quasarlgq You think jayce will not
steal blitzcrank just because they changed somethings in the show?
@@morkez5854 Thought a scientist who convinced Viktor to go to Piltover stole the idea about Blitz?
I got an unskippable add for a 30 second video, god youtube ie shit..
Viktor is the typical tragedy when a man falls in love with his straight friend R.I.P
I love the way half of Arcane is an episode of Dr Phil and the other half is basically The Manhattan Project
After watching this I remembered "This is war 2", planning to compare and contrast the peak of Victor's voice and what we will see in chapter 3, if we do get anything.
Same
be part of the glorious evolution!!!
i had to play vs viktor second time already and he is as strong as he always was ;_; i miss the times where noone played him already
Viktor doesn't have a mindset, he *IS* the mindset
Team Viktor
y’all realize Jayce betrayed heimerdinger to save Viktor’s life right
Aphelios when have gaming :D Apheliso when no have gmaing D:
0:10 I mean i don't like Jayce either but don't put false blame on him:
- He didn't know at the time he got laid that Viktor was dying and he doesn't need to work at night, you don't do that either.
- He kicked him from the council to save Viktor to let him do his experiment in peace without Heimer trying to cancel it.
- He's self-centered, but i wouldn't say he's ONLY focused on himself.
- He does aknowledge it but he's so full of himself that he doesn't really remember it half of the time
- Because of this free Jayce skin i've seen more peoples feeding with jayce mid/top in the last few days than i've seen in 8 years of playing.
- Yasuo appreciates it
Note: This Jayce in Arcane is far less egoistical as the one in the lore, i really recommend considering them as 2 different entities.
when i watched arcane i talked about this with my friend and this is exactly what i had in mind when i saw viktor and jayce
i expected the sigma music theme with viktor tho