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A pity that Vain Glory took League's model too far. They ended up going belly-up because they let players farm for the currency to buy skins with. For that time between like 2014 and 2017, it was almost a solid competitor to League Oh, and in case you ask, I was a Celeste main, but did also enjoy playing Caine and Catherine sometimes
i agree. i am playing wild rift now and I already have aged 10 years in 6 months. i can't imagine what will happen to me if I start playing the desktop lol. smoking weed is healthier than this shit
@CCriddy50 exactly. it's addicting and fun and i just cant quit after getting destroyed by a 13 yo warwick player. Also i cant quit when i am winning. It really is awful if you think about it
So heartwarming to see a small company like Riot Games being featured in a segment on a video about Super Auto Pets, one of the best and most hype games ever.
I see what you did there. But it was a good video, and so I appreciate the sponsorship of it. Does super auto pets feature any pet with a playstyle similar to Heimerdinger?
Sadly, after riot started playing moral police and banning people in ranked for words taken out of context but not for inting made me quit, i don't have time to play 5 normal games because i wrote something to myself, and i'm not the only one
Yeah... Most business becomes successful because of good advertisement. People always underestimates the power of ads but one wrong move and you will end up paying for their services because they are everywhere.
This, I bet league could be the biggest in the world if not for the terrible pres they have. People that never played the game know it as the toxic game, imagine it was loved?
I think this is part of the reason why they're expanding into other genres. They know that not everybody can be converted into a League player, not just because of the toxicity but also because not everybody enjoys MOBAs or PvP games, which is why they have a fighting game coming out later this year, an MMORPG in development (though it's stuck in development hell) and seemingly had a singleplayer ARPG in development back in 2020 (though the project lead left Riot like 9 months ago and we haven't received any news since). If they play their cards right, they could blow right past Marvel and become the largest multimedia company on the planet, because they not only have an incredible show that pulls a huge audience in, but they'd ideally also have a varied catalogue of games to engage the entirety of that audience.
@jcm2606yeah MOBAs just have an inherently high skill floor and a counterintuitive feedback loop because there's a lot of required complexity that needs to be learned and you can do everything right and still lose because your team made the wrong choices so there's not a lot of positive reinforcement.
I got into playing league because all my friends kept telling me dont play this game it was kind of their own thing i felt left out not knowing why, so i got into the game and found it very fun ngl, and it rewards you for focusing in the game and playing it seriously since if you don't you're gonna become a cannon minion everyone would oneshot and that's not fun, add to that the death timer and the grey screen and everything i even remember back in the days next to your health it used to be a badge on killing sprees and you'd lose that if you die. So tldr, people telling others not to play it doesn't work completely against them, the game rewards you for focusing and once you focus a lot on something you get addicted to it and the rest is cinema.
I quit LOL years ago, I find competative gaming too sweaty. if reaching challenger or even getting close requires 20,000+ games worth of experience and everybody is try harding all the time, then I don't want to play. Thats true for all games. The best times in league were the early days and the promotions vs ai. halloween doombots, star guardians, the galaxy promo. These were awesome. They could/should have given us a campaign type game vs ai with their regular type of gameplay.
As a league of legends player since early 2012 I can tell you the bigger reasons why league became huge in latam are that the game could be played on any potato pc (back in the day most of us had crappy pcs) and that it was free, add that they released dedicated latin american (not Spaniard) voice acting in 2013 with its own servers and it was destined to be huge in the region.
8 years ago, my PC got broken and i've managed to make LoL work on an old winXP. We never needed a break, because my friends and me had a couple minutes to get food and go to toilet while loading screen. xDD
@friedaliora5640 back in the day loading screens used to take forever, I had a friend that fas infamous in the group for loading slow (back when you used to see individual loadings) once I was getting ready to go out and i took a quick shower while we loaded lol
For me it was the time it came out. I was waiting for Dota 2 like a child was waiting for his birthday. But league came out 1-2 years earlier. In this time they took all the people who never played moba games from the market and bound them to their product.
Well China and the far east have enough young idiots willing to invest a half a decade of their lives into this mind numbing garbage because they have soo much free time and nothing useful to do to occupy their minds because of their current station in life - its a babysitting tool for asian parents.
let be honest most of it was because of Faker, can say for my self, only watched the last match of last year and this year worlds because faker was playing, wanted to see the player I grew up watching dominating my generation getting another title, was a nostalgic experience, after he retires I think no more worlds for me probably, already skipping most of the matchs for 3 worlds in a row
League is not just a game. It's a whole universe that offers something to everyone. You like the competitive gameplay? They've got ranked games. You like the art and lore? Check out Arcane. You enjoy the lore but prefer experiencing it yourself through a game? There's Legends of Runeterra. You are into pro players? They never disappoint with Worlds. It's a rewarding experience no matter which direction you go. I started playing League in 2012 (and developed a massive celebrity crush on Piglet lmao) but the art and lore kept me in the universe. Now I find myself traversing through the regions in Legends of Runeterra.
real lol even in LoR you get multiple directions to go. Feeling competitive? Play rank or pvp. Or if you are salty getting dominated by players (like me xD), play path of champions instead. I'm so invested in Vayne cards rn. My favorite interaction is between her and kind-hearted recruit. ("My sister's no monster, Vayne. You'll see" - "Is that so? Then where did you get that scar?")
Wow...if those were the standards you set for everything the Riot Games have made with their product, I suggest you explore something else instead. Riot Games is a company that's promoting this toxic, addictive gaming culture and they want people like you to get drown into it. I hate to say this but you have to stop having this unrealistic vision of them, or else it will be too late for you to pull yourself out of this situation.
same with every company i mean look at blizzard, or much more extreme like coke, pepsi and every other softdrinks yet people drink it anyway even knowing that its bad for thier health in the long run
I remember randomly stumbling upon dota 1.0 in the custom games when I got bored of Warcraft TFT. I got instantly hooked. I never thought a custom mod would grow to a size this massive.
Legends never die. Nah but seriously it's kind of crazy. I've had my account since S1 and kind of fell out of love a bit after S8 where I hit my all-time peak(D4). This is my first season going unranked. I will say though the memories I've had with this game are fucking crazy. I just don't think I'll ever go back to my prime. Probably just ARAMs every now and then.
maybe they know that if you reach your ranking target you will stop caring about the game. So they make the climbing experience as much miserable as possible
Maybe you will. I've been playing for about 10 years since season 2/3, though I played casually at first. I peaked Diamond in Season 7 and I've been playing casually with just ARAM's since then, only playing about 20 ranked games a year to reach Diamond and get the border and then going back to ARAM. This year I decided to give ranked a go, and in just a couple of months I hit Grandmaster playing only Teemo because he's fun as hell. Top 300 of the entire continental ladder. Not that there's anything wrong with playing casually, I did that for years. But if you put some dedication to it, even without sweating it, you can get back to your prime and beyond pretty easily
it will never die becuse like counter strike, it stuck in peoples culture of the esport genre so it is instantly looked at before anything else as it is the bigest one, while also rewarding people with alot money in competetive scene that no new moba could give to its playerbase, valorant also got people playing it becuse riot got the big budget from league since the release making once again competetive worth for people that go after the money and are intrested in e sports
It doesn't matter how much Riot shit on their playerbase, people will always come back to play it because they are stuck with their intellectual property: the champions, their habilities, summoner's rift map, etc. It's the game where their skill will best shine, despite the company's soul crushing neglect in maintaining a competitive environment in it's ranked queues. If pirating the game was legal and someone implemented a better queue system & voice chat with the same champions and map, riot would go bankrupt the next day
@paulojose7568You're right. But I just wanna point out that the main problem isn't with the queue system, the game itself has massive flaws, and it cannot be fixed anymore. People still play it because they are still addicted to it and somehow couldn't snap themselves out of it just yet. The game will die soon enough, we just need to wait until it's official.
@@Daofro00 I don't think I'm that great but thank you for your compliment, I appreciate that! Yup, Riot is an evil company and we have to stop promoting any of their games for the sake of the younger generation!
Fantastic video. One small thing I'd mention is that HoN's downfall was probably more due to Dota2 than LoL. The video was focusing on LoL's rise so not a big deal. For anyone who doesn't know, HoN went with the idea that it was a true successor for the original Dota while LoL wanted to be its own thing. The true successor idea was crushed when Dota 2 came out and directly ported everything from Dota 1. HoN carried on for a long while (props to them for keeping going for so long) but the creation of Dota 2 effectively neutered HoN's main marketing angle.
@jeremyjohn93 Yeah there are definitely a few things he says that are intentionally vague or just downright misinformation to make Riot seem more innovative than they really are. There were definitely tons of free-to-play MMOs when League dropped, mostly Eastern games, but there were still many successful western ones such as D&D online and RuneScape. He mentions competitive releasing in 2010 as a response to competition, but then shows HotS and Pokemon Unite, which didn't drop until 2015 and 2021 respectively.
@LBLBLBLBLBLBLBLBLBLB Also the whole scandal when they took down the DotA All-Star forum while hiring Pendragon to redirect DotA players towards LoL, or the whole legal fight with Blizzard and Valve and the part they played in it. Agreed, the video looks good, but the content is far from accurate.
I haven’t played a single game if league in 3 years. I still watch streams and worlds. I hope it doesn’t die, it truly is a great game, even with all the flaws and toxic community.
Well. I don't know which competitive game doesn't have a toxic community, though. Of course the devs could do even more about it but Riot isn't the worst in giving out bans etc
The amount of memories I've made playing league with friends makes up for all the unpleasnt experiences I've had with randoms. Literally met some of the most important people in my life because I started playing league, that I otherwise wouldn't.
@devilkingaming4619 Good to hear you had fun! I feel like league gets a lot of slack for being toxic, but the few good people you meet are worth it. It's crazy to think that half of my friends wouldn't be my friends if I didn't decide to hop on one random evening and play solo. I even met my boyfriend on league hahaha. Hope you make more memories with your buddies, and hope they get even better next time! It's such a good feeling to meet your online friends irl
This X 100. Even with all the hate League gets for having a toxic playerbase, TBH I've played a lot of games and never found it uniquely bad among other big PVP team-based games. What I do know about are the amazing friendships that I've maintained over the years by just hopping on my favorite game. In high school, I had a group of friends and we'd all procrastinate on our homework and projects, going on long losing streaks while playing, but having a blast all the while, trying to get our first win of the day. I even have a friend who met her husband on League and they recently had a child.
@demonseed360 Exactly!!! Plus all the funny clips of people being angry(even friends) still make me die of laughter everytime I see them. I'm really happy to hear these good experiences from people, it's validating that I ain't insane and that it's not actually that bad. Personally always felt way worse playing games like CS and getting flamed. I also feel like it helps you manage your emotions when dealing with unpleasant people. Also hope your friends are doing well with the new addition to their family:D
I don't think the success of early League is ONLY due to being free to play, but it also had less system requirements than their competitors, allowing for people aside from America to play it easily (Same thing that happened with WoW before)
now we are talking with someone with brain, also league marketing department is on a whole other level compared to other MOBA games, its not even comparable.
I have played maybe two bot matches of LoL but I love watching worlds with my sons. The animation, Arkane, was also so good that it makes me want to know more about the world and lore.
yes! the eSport side of League is amazing, It's just like physical sports but more strategic. I just wished that other regions would really get into more the competitiveness of major regions.
@izshtar as someone who watches both football (soccer) and league e sports it is not more strategic football has 1000s of diff strategies and formations and evolves BUT league e sports is the most strategic e sports and is the closest e sports to actual sports since each role is unique and plays diff purposes and roles which makes it more interesting to watch then fps e sports
@HealthiestWellbeing that's true actually since you'd have to need your mind and physical body at the same time, I like to think of League as a Chess Game. I like FPS eSports as well but more on the Valorant Scene since i enjoy it watching more often than CS.
@izshtar Yeh league is like a chess game since even the drafting stage is tense because you are trying to see what the other team wants while trying to set your team up for a counter draft all around a great e sport from the draft stage to the nexus siege
I've always been interested in league since 2013 but 1. i didn't have computer and 2.I felt like it was too technical. Now there are thousands of online tutorials, tips and even gamers teaching. That's what makes league feel alive. If you go search any other game that came around that time or even after the communities are dead by now. Even though there's toxic players in the game, outside the game there are friendly ppl who are passionate and wiling to introduce you to the game.
oh yes season 2 when we used to unistall the game when we saw jax coming even if it was all 5 of us together when yi players hit W on ap yi and went to the bathroom when my teammate lux had 6 death cap when a game went 60 minute because both yi and jax's full build is 3 infinity edge and 2 phantom dancer yea great memories :D
As someone who started playing League in Season 2, it really has most of what made it fun and challenging, I haven’t played in 3 years, and I intend never to play it again
Dominion. Day 1 broken champions (Diana, Irelia, Etc). SivHD. Only one server, babel tower with Russian, Korean, Chinese, Dutch, etc all on same team. Busted champions that took long for them to patch (I remember hating riven for YEARS before they finally realized she needed her legs broken).
I play since S5, and I don't think I will ever leave the game for good. (I've tried, but always come back) Even when I go months without playing, I never stop watching lol streamers and esports, and that (eventually) makes me want to play again
same for me. started in 2016 but i was unable to match the skill of the other player and left the game and picked it back in 2020 during the lockdowns and actually enjoyed playing since then
meanwhile in SEA.. you can play DOTA easily on Computer cafes through cracked Warcraft III, either play LAN and play with your friends or another friend group to challenge them, if you don't have friends, you can play online through Garena servers. When Riot wants to get ahold of the SEA region, Garena stepped in to handle the servers for Riot's behalf but Garena milked the playerbase until recently when Riot finally stepped down their foot.
Started in March 2011, still playing today... But haven't played ranked since Season 7. After S7 I went chill mode (aram, urf, arena) and started playing other games on the side :)
They birthed the nightmare hell mobile game microtransaction world we live in today. S2 made the better game, but had no business sense. Shady dealings and ad money win out over transparency and good game design, it turns out..
This is still crazy to me. I started playing League in 2011, and while I don’t play regularly today, it is still a wonder to watch and play when I get the time. They were way ahead of their time and the business model they had was outstanding. Legends never die, I will remember this game fondly (despite the rage) for the rest of my life.
As a guy who has been playing the game for 10 years its truly nostalgic to me watching this. And I have felt the popularity evolving every year, the game was getting more and more famous and better. Riot really did a great job with the game and really killed the competition. The game has no competition in its niche.
@piedrablanca1942 i wouldnt say dota 2 is boring its just slower, for some players they prefer that slow paced gameplay. I dont doe so thats why i prefer league
the first 5 seconds is literally the last time my Janna has been viable to the competitive scene :< she's like a forgotten champ on pro play now. I really hope she emerge again :
Stopped playing lol year ago but probably most important thing that keeped me playing, wasnt game itself, but whats gonna bappen next, its like a tv show, newest songs, world cups, lore, new characters, literally everything other than the game itself
It's mostly fantasy. While there is Zaun and Piltover that has tech that's sci-fi. The source of it has always been magic like everything else in the lore.
It’s fantasy. The only sci fi it can have is because some humans in runeterra like piltover and zaun don’t have the gift of magic so they rely on science to make magic . But mostly fantasy ,
I havent played league in years it feels like ive been sobor or clean. Such a relief. No more cancer, no more aids, no more toxic 16 yr old chinese boys typing essays about how to play while feeding mid
It wasn't that it was they understood Free To Play model. Their game succeeded off the model not its merit. As the video said heroes of newerth was just the objectively better game at the time. But merit lost to business strategy.
There's a lot more to HoN vs LoL in the shady business side of things that drives me insane. LoL was like a parasite that refused to die and has taken over its host and become a monstrosity. S2 (HoN) was made by a guy who won the lottery and wanted to make his dream games, so they had the cash to do good art, hire some decent programmers, create a polished product and sell it up front and honest, no microtransactions, no locked content, you buy it and you own the game, all characters, all maps, and all future updates, no additional charges. They didn't have to learn the ropes of business because of that initial money, but because of that, they didn't prioritize profit enough to stay afloat in the long term. Riot was able to gut punch and stab them in the back repeatedly; Riot paid tournament organizers to host LoL instead of HoN, insisting that only one MOBA could be at the event. Riot hired the DotA competitive community manager and he shut down the DotA community website and forums, replacing the site with a link to LoL's beta signup page, destroying a whole community and scattering them to the winds, leaving no access to archives of the forums, of friends talking, of games and replays recorded, guides posted over many years, it was like a gamedev war-crime. On LoL's forum meanwhile, all mention of HoN and DotA was banned, the words themselves were censored. HoN's best ideas, like Chipper, the rodent piloting a mech, with a line-targeted DoT AoE ult.. would become Rumble, for example. When HoN began, they were working with Icefrog to port over DotA heroes to the game, but before long, Valve offered him more money to abandon HoN. Later, HoN's most beloved game designer Nome, and community manager MsPudding, got 'sniped' by Riot, offered way more money to turn their backs on S2. That on top of Riot's presence at game conventions and paying for advertising over game development, is how they took over the market while honest, idealistic, naive and outdated S2 got left in the dumpster. Even today, HoN's original gameplay felt more responsive than LoL or DOTA2, I swear to god, and that's gotta be what putting all your advertising money into making a good game, looks like. It's up there with Starcraft:Ghost as my two most tragic videogame-loves-lost.
On top of this, the fighting game they are working on looks like it has strong potential to be a huge hit in the FGC and they are also working on an MMO too. I'm stoked.
I think something that often gets overlooked is how League took away a lot of players from WoW and the MMO genre overall. It gave us hardcore gamers a more streamlined experience that did not require scheduling, practice, planning, a guild, etc. you just get online and play
Your explanation with HoN vs LoL was on point. I was at a small "LAN" party with two friends and they insisted that we played HoN, didn't have any money to buy it.. Saw an ad for a free game called league of legends clash of clans and we decided to play that instead.
1:50 These are minor issues. Being randomly disconnected and not being able to rejoin were the greatest ones. If the game ended with all 10 players present it was a little miracle.
What was worse is that with Heros of the storm it still happened. If you lost connection for half a second then it had to resynch with the game and took minutes to recover. If that happened and the game finished in the period while the game tried to recover, you where flaged as having left on purpose.
the load times were pretty average for an RTS at that time. also your explanation of dota as a "mod of one of the maps" is bizarre. it wasnt a "mod", it was a custom map. wc3 came with a built in custom map editor of which there were thousands
Just gotta say is what keeps league alive for me is ARAM, I don’t have to worry, strategize, worry about counter picks, long game unwinable commitments, autofills. I get the satisfaction of a fun character to play without having to grind and build correctly like other games.
I never played LOL but reading and watching in-depth videos about the rise, falls and success and there players is so fascinating. Thanks for the video, with clips, pics and quotes.
1. The free to pay model 2. Worlds The pro scene exploded in 2012 with the tsm house, moscow 5 rivally and worlds got huge every year out doing the last and the league system in 2013 was the major change that riot pushed hard most likely at a loss that made them stand above everyone else. I've never been invested in any of sport outside of football until League game around which to me is really unusual to be that invested in a game but it's not so much the game but the great cast, crew, players, the events, music, special effects, they like the Walt Disney of online gaming lol Defo the best at making epic showcase tbh I'm not really interested in playing the game nowadays but I still love the passion for the competitive scene
@daghetto101so you want to transmog sections of "armor" with different skins? I mean I guess that's a nifty feature, but just like how things get really tacky (cause not everyone has great fashion/aesthetic sense) in R6 and WoT, I'd rather just turn off skins of other people... which basically defeats the point of skin flex. and TBH, skins marketplace is a very toxic feature to me. I mean I guess people get a hard on with CSGO's system, but really I just want to play the game man, having to also think about a digital stock exchange is just... too much trouble?
@daghetto101 as someone who have played many games and that mainly play them for the skins (there isn't someone as addicted to game skins and cosmetics as me), LoL by far has the best skins! They are that great, that you don't even have to customize them like others. When you have to cusomize it, it's because the original skin sucked. Plus LoL has chromas if you want a little change.
@daghetto101 So they suck because they are not customizable and you cant sell it, not because they are artistically worse. Yeah, I dont want gambling in my game, keep your selling system.
I'm done with league but very interested in the expanded ip. Arcane, project L, the music, etc. The more they do with it, the better. So much potential and they're actually using it. Can't complain about the pace too much when pretty much everything they make outside of the game is gold. It's a crying shame that when arcane dropped league players everywhere was telling arcane hands don't play league. They need other projects to funnel new fans to.
i tried league soley because of arcane. there wasnt really much of a good tutorial so i was so confused i gave up after like 2-3 tries, and i play games semi regularly. I think it'd be nice if they could toggle on a more explanative tutorial
Agreed. I'm actually of the opinion that the game itself is the worst thing about League of Legends. I played it for a while but everybody is such a tryhard on it; you get flamed for making minor mistakes and I'm like "I just created this account last week; of course I'm not good." Arcane, on the other hand, is a show that's so good I'd rate it higher than Game of Thrones. Riot knocks things out of the park, and even the game wouldn't be that bad if the player base wasn't as toxic.
@Solarstormflare there should be an extensive tutorial at the ice map. You can play against bots or solo for a few games. It teaches last hitting minions, which gives you a lot of gold over time, so that you can buy items.
I've already told several people who enjoyed Arcane to not bother playing League. League players can find League in Arcane, but don't bother looking for Arcane in League, because you won't find it. And the learning curve is way too steep to pick up casually.
@RellikanThe ARAM map? Aram is pretty good for getting a decent grasp on League. It's much easier to see the objectives, because they're laid out in one lane instead of three; with no jungle objectives. And it's easier to learn each champ and what they do/ how they function in a team fight, because you can usually see all 10 players at once. I can go almost entire games on the rift without seeing certain players, and it makes it hard to learn what their champ does if you're not familiar with them.
Its how re playable the game is. League is very deep, even if on the surface it might not seem like it. I equate it to chess; the board stays the same but the possibility of moves and potential to outsmart your opponent is infinite. I took many breaks over the years but eventually find myself coming back because its the only game that can still get my blood pumping.
If its equateable to chess, people would play chess just as much. People play LoL more because of addiction. Funny how the addicts show all the signs of it, especially trying to "explain" why it's something else. (it isn't, everyone just sees and hears ur addicted, except for other addicts.).
@grumpyginger9783sounds like cope to me. Would you say I'm addicted to playing football since it gets my blood pumping? Same with League, it makes me think faster for outsmart moments
@summonerbraddysg51 No, you just say it gets your blood pumping. Thats a hobby/passion, not an addiction. When you start to try to explain to others and/or yourself why it's the best thing ever and why it's okay to spend all your time on it, even when it's clear that it's affecting you negatively, that's when it becomes an addiction. Football addicts do exist tho, I'm sure you know people like that.
@summonerbraddysg51 "potential to outsmart your opponent is infinite" that applies to close to all forms of competition. It's not unique to league. When people think it's a rare thing, it shows that they have never seen any other competitive games, probably because all their time already is in LoL. It's literally how the game is designed to work, last hitting is the most addictive thing in gaming next to lootboxes and headshots. Riot won't even hide that if you look into it.
No hard feelings tho. League is a fun game. I completely stopped playing because of the community not accepting people who have good mechanics but didn't spend 1000 hours learning all champions (i'm lvl 40 and get matched with lvl 300+ constantly because of that. those games are extra toxic to put it lightly). I thought normal matches are for learning champions, well my teammates disagreed. So I played csgo instead and got addicted, am still bad but can't stop playing. I feel the need to explain to people that it equates to chess :p then my LoL addicted friend compares LoL to chess for the 100th time. Ur not alone buddy :D
@Seroxm13 Pokemon? The game that demands 70$ each year for shit copy paste content? Come on. Pokemon is a hobby for the wealthy. League of Legends is for everyone.
@junba1810 what? Pokemon has soooo many different games. Not all are the same smh. I love both, LoL and Pokemon, but Pokemon has way more diversity in games.
Totally didn't expect to see Super Auto Pets to be mentionned in a short analysis/story about League and it made me smile in the most wholesome way haha, great game !
For someone who is in the esports industry - League of Legends and Riot Games is such a good case study for Business Development, Sales, and Influencer Marketing. It teaches you about longevity, proper marketing, and how to convert non-endemic brands to endemic brands for effective partnership/sponsorships. It's insanely interesting and fun, and all of it usually comes back to the rise of League of Legends and Riot Games. Truly Goated.
I have been playing League since Season 3, I haven't touched it in a while (almost 2 years now), it was a love-hate relationship in the end. What I can say is it brought some of the best gaming moments with our community of friends while growing up, heck I still have a few of their Worlds songs on the shuffle for when I'm driving around, so much time has passed listening to the InstaLock songs, Tyler1, Trick2g, Necrit going through the LoL lore. There was a lot to be desired when playing league sometimes but you gotta admit they got a lot of things right. The community that was built around it was amazing. They often listened to the players and implemented changes to the system; especially with trolls and in game disconnections. I I have a wife and daughter now and we watched the Arcane series on Netflex when it aired, I really enjoyed giving the wife some back story on some of the characters and feeling somewhat proud to have been part of the LoL project. I think looking back I'd spent around $200-250 on the game in 7 years or so of playing. GG RITO.. GG
I never really give a thoughts about it but I can really use some of RIOT's business strategy in many areas. It's seriously amazing just how much those ideas can be use in any types of business.
4:51 Seeing these 3 questions today, knowing the "norms" of the gaming industry nowadays, is probably the most bizarre thing I've experienced this month. "Where's the singleplayer? Why is it free to play?" If only they knew that there will be a frickin Call of Duty game only 10 years later that completely lacks a singleplayer campaign, and then the next one would offer a multiplayer mode for free, which would later define Call of Duty for the youngest generation (which is kinda sad but this is not the point). And yes, I can always feel the slight tingle in my stomach every year when Worlds is right around the corner. The hype I get every time I listen to the new Worlds Anthem for the first time is bigger than any sporting event (except for F1 races). The lore is also very intricately written and well though-out. I'm so hyped for Hwei, the newest champion as of now, because he's connected to Jhin, one of my favourite characters, not just in League of Legends, but in the entire gaming history. And then Riot decided to skyrocket itself and develop another game which will draw in players through the lore and the world building, their MMO RPG. I can't wait to play it (although we might have to wait for a few years still).
I remember back in 2010 when there was a champion suggestion board on the riot forum website. I remember Riot adapting tons of player suggestions including my idea of a vampire-like champion with a slavic name focused on life drain and with an untargetable W accompanied with a drawing I did during class. Those were the glory Days of League
I really would have liked you to go more into detail on your last part. Because Riot's decision to go into other games around Leagues world (excluding valorant) is quite recent. They are building a world only seen before by Blizzard with Warcraft and they are doing such an amazing job to show it in depth. Not even now but also the plan for the future. There has never been such a high quality cross channel game universe, different games, mobile apps, trailer videos, music, esports, series and more. Especially the quality focus where freedom of art is allowed that we rarely see today. Right now it all seems to lead to the creation of the MMO, which needs so much more preperation with world building and the combination with an actually extremely well made series on netflix focussing on in depth characters is pure genius for me. I'm very ecited to see whats coming over the next years, even though I'm not even playing their games anymore. Also: I think there is one big point missing in your analysis. The market thinking between the western world and china. There are definitely other reasons to criticise Tencent, but they play such a big part in this success story as they allow this freedom of creation and don't interfere how the game is made (in the market outside china) while also providing all the money that is needed. There are just sooo many bad examples of western stock corporations where the executives made decisions that harm the game, be that harsh deadlines, foced business models or other things where people made decisions who have no clue about the target audience. This never seemed to happen with Riot games, not even after such a long time.
It’s a shame that you didn’t mention how Riot Pendragon literally closed the DOTA all-stars forums permanently and made it so that the only thing visible on the page was a link to the League of Legends beta lmao
in Vietnam, League was advertised as DotA 2. And I meant no joke. Back in the era where 90% of Internet coffe's pc in Vietnam is about playing DotA, and they advertised League as DotA 2.
A game that is both easy to play and incredibly hard at its highest level. Despite its millions of ups and down, you get updates each week and events each year. Anyone who tried going to another game know how rare that is. Apart from all of that, they have shaped the competitive scene of games. Everything is grand with worlds, there is cool new technology, live performances, top tier casting and the players are treated like gods. With so much investment in the player's experience, its hard to give up a game that makes you feel so seen at times.
i love how in 9:35 you play a clip of a blitcrank pulling a dude while you are saying "that kept players H O O K E D" Good work on that one hahah. keep it up man, great video!
I stopped playing League, but I am looking forward to their MMO, watched Arcane, watched Worlds and played LoR. My heart will always be with Nasus and Shurima.
I want to say this is a very informative video and thank you for making it aspiring video game creators will learn from this as time goes on keep it up!
One thing that I never hear talked about is how much effort League puts into is community management. I remember devs building entirely new systems and tech that they gave seminars on to better manage the community and cut down on toxicity. Even today despite it's admittedly deserved reputation for toxic behavior the game has more tools then most to report and censor toxic behavior, it's just that the game is so big and so old at this point the community is nigh impossible to police and full of to many veterans unforgiving of beginner mistakes even in the low ranks and levels.
They failed to cut down the toxicity. U can just team-report one player and system just hammer-reported player without context or a reason. And they "fix" most time the problems that doesn't exist. Like "spam-ping" or chat-restrictions. Veterans just can READ and THINK. They have experience. New players can't even choose masteries(runes) without porofessor or smt like that crap. No one likes a burden for the team. Now in league reality in 1 game with 4 good players and 1 bad player is equal to the lost game.
@NortSeLayer found the dude who only just plays league of legends and is currently in a losing streak lmfao You see, unlike you, I've played tons of IPs and competitive environments, and none are even as remotely close as Riot is in terms of community engagement relative to size. Even Counter Strike fumbled because they were dumb enough to think "PS4 Graphics - better competitive game".
@hachiko2692 Unlike you, i has around 4 hundred IPs only in my steam library, most of them are slashers/shooters, a bunch of RPGs, some old(or very old games) and a little of competitive RTS. and ofc Battlebrawlers (i sure u don't even know what type of a games is this) Unlike you i'v seen good and bad games. And i say to you, my little commentator, that Riot is one of the most incompetent, irresponsible and greedy company in this decade. Charges 2-3x$ price for a watermark in indie game that can be developed by a 10 good people instead of a 200 CEOs(these are not bad games though) They don't even want to fix problems in their own client "and none are even as remotely close as Riot is in terms of community engagement relative to size." - no one cares about bunch of apes. That's not an argument. Most of the "community" don't play their games. I appreciate the work(games), not media hysteria. "Even Counter Strike fumbled because..." CS if outdated. If developer can - he change, improve engine and fix the bugs. Visual clarity is by all means more important is Shooters, so they change how things look. U are not competitive. U are hypocrite.
Honestly, I almost never run into toxic players anymore thanks to their reporting systems. No you wont get punished if just one person reports you. It has to be multiple people or multiple times and the few times i run into toxic players and report them i usually get a notification that my report resulted in punishment because that player was actually bad and managed to get multiple reports.
I started playing in June 2010 with the release of Rankeds, Season 1 and Xin Zhao (which was my main since then), had been very active until I started college in 2017 What Riot does really well on top of what you said is listening to the community and giving the community what they want. Also balancing the game, and changing the meta with a looot of patches to keep the game fresh and you needing to adapt again, never reaching a predictable and boring point
One good reason I think is overlooked is the lower skill floor compared to it's contemporaries. It was much simpler as there was less things to worry about. No need to deny minions. No need to use carriers or the secret shop. Free recalls. Standardization of skill mapping to QWER. No turn rates. These and more were that accessibility which allowed more people to play. I'm not saying that League is easy to learn, or that it doesn't have a high skill ceiling (There was plenty of exiting high mechanical plays this recent Worlds). I'm also not saying that the simple approach is always better (plenty of MOBAs failed because they were too bare-bones, and DOTA 2 shows that there is still a market for more complex play)
I've literally played LoL since launch while stationed in Okinawa through today. Its really cool to see how this has grown from just a handful of champs to scrolling screens of choices. I've liked it mainly because it has a start and stop of each fight vs games like WoW and Warhammer that just go on and on.
People that kept playing the game call that cool, but the majority of people that played back then have quit because it ruined the identity of league of legends as well as insane power creep. It's a constant new wave of players keeping league alive at least as far as NA goes.
@jamesbiggs2745it is kinda funny how a lot of old favorites are now meta champions. Back in like 2013 I mostly played udyr, ashe and twisted fate, mid mostly ahri. They were kind of the free or cheap to play trash champs constantly beat by better pay to win champions. And now in world I'm seeing those picked or banned in many games and mostly it's top and support which are newer champs that didn't exist 10 years ago, most of the meta champs in worlds did exist back then
@jamesbiggs2745 Yeah I agree as someone who played from the start I loved the simple champions like Nasus, Malphite, Garen and Veigar but they just kept releasing more and more convoluted champs that take 10 mins just to read all their abilities and you're still not sure how they work after lol.
I believe the issue with HoN wasn't just the business model, but the fact that it was an exact mirror-copy of Dota. What I mean is that one way or another, Dota 2 was going to kill HoN.
@heavens_drive090yes, it's funny how in the video he never mentions Dota 2, even though it was the game that killed HoN, even with better model it would still be worse than Dota 2
@davidblaine9795 same, I was surprised how the video said LoL killed HoN when it was in fact Icefrog leaving HoN for Dota 2 led to the lack of direction of HoN.
This video does a great job of highlighting a few aspects to LoL's success. But I think it left out a critical part of Riot's feat - which is to make the player(s) feel connected to the different kingdoms, heroes, and overall lore. DotA has an expansive lore, but we don't feel as connected to the heroes and one might ask: why is that? I think Riot has wisely invested in great looking CGI trailers, making small articles on the in-game board containing small snippets or paragraphs relating to the heroes/lands. And when a hero is about to be released, they would make a very nice little trailer to highlight it. Riot even went so far as to create a VTube group that combines English and Korean-speaking idols. Which other game has done that? If you invest in your fans, your fans will invest in you.
While i think that does apply in more recent times, the original game had pretty much zero lore, i played it in beta and it was a lore-desert pretty much. I'm trying to catch up to some of the lore now, but just saying, it has really changed, they fleshed it out over time
This matters a lot. There are many of us lore nerds who love the world they have pain stakingly created. Originally the lore was kind of blah but theyve retconned/redid a lot of the lore. The media they created (cinematics, music, other games) also really helps you understand the world and the characters within.
No. Blue Archive thrives on waifus. What seems to be keeping League of Legends around is it being the dull choice for a videogame (Other than Innersloth's intergalactic whodunit that shalln't be named) by people that broadcast their gameplay, especially those on Twitch.
I love fighting games, and the fact that they are working in one, that looks amazing, and will be free to play, while knowing how good they are at managing the E-sports scene, I'm very hopeful and excited to see how it goes with Project L.
So accurate. I’ve been playing league for close to 10 years now and I’m 20 years old. It seems like there’s no point in my life where I can leave League for long enough to forget about it. My friends and I all watch Worlds together every year, every game. It’s truly such a big part of my life. ❤ Thanks Rito
For me it's the gigantic roster: When I first started it was thinking about how big the roster could be, now that the game itself has lost some appeal the massive and still growing roster is keeping me invested.
Yea especially the client. Its the same since 2009, just a new flashy ui was added. Thats why scripters have it pretty easy. This guy has no clue what he is talking about.
@xXEGPXx yes updates are frequent, that's not necessarily a good thing. Hey a new update that tweaks a bunch of stuff that I don't want to care about and releases a bunch of new skins or a new champ, when there is already too many.
League of legends is a universe and a brand not just for videogames but in the culture of entertainment. This is the reason why it will never die. Especially with arcane s2 and the riot mmo. Can't forget LOR which is getting better and better and of course tft.
same but I stopped around maybe s5-6 due to lack of time. I do come back once per year and try the game out. It's honestly mind blowing how different the game is to be honest and the amount of new champs available. The last champ that came out before I quitted was Gnar lol and Fiora R was like Yi's Q
@BigSmoke-dp4yh yeah, I agree. Games like these make you want to play more due to the competitive aspect and the slight hit of dopamine when you win especially with "braindead teammates" lol It's more fun now due to the addition of group rank(?) and you can play with friends on vc. I stopped because well, everyone I played with became an adult with job. It's just not as interesting going solo
@minge9 nah bro the fact that u stopped league just like that just baffles me, i only stopped playing league because back then, my monitor had a problem with league or idk, and thank god it did, because if my monitor was working i would look like a discord mod today.
As long as the game is free to play, there will be more new players coming no matter what. Putting a price on the game will create a barrier since no one wants to pay full price for a game like this one
@earlgrey2130 you said hero so I'll assume you play Dota2 (like I do and I prefer Dota2) but League is free to play, you can still get the champs you want overtime which became way easier than the old times (I do play league occasionally for fun sometimes I have fun more than playing Dota2)
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@code066funkinbird3nah it's declining all thanks of Moonton's betrayal of V33wise and V33's return to League community
A pity that Vain Glory took League's model too far. They ended up going belly-up because they let players farm for the currency to buy skins with. For that time between like 2014 and 2017, it was almost a solid competitor to League
Oh, and in case you ask, I was a Celeste main, but did also enjoy playing Caine and Catherine sometimes
League isn't free; it demands your soul as the price....
i agree. i am playing wild rift now and I already have aged 10 years in 6 months. i can't imagine what will happen to me if I start playing the desktop lol. smoking weed is healthier than this shit
i always say that smoking is alot healthier than league @bil9uun
@bil9uun I have no idea why people talk about the game like this. It's just a really fun game. If you feel you don't like it then just stop?
@CCriddy50 exactly. it's addicting and fun and i just cant quit after getting destroyed by a 13 yo warwick player. Also i cant quit when i am winning. It really is awful if you think about it
@bil9uunI guess I just function differently, I have a ton of fun with league and when it becomes unfun I just get off for a bit.
So heartwarming to see a small company like Riot Games being featured in a segment on a video about Super Auto Pets, one of the best and most hype games ever.
and steal content and ideas? :D
Best...?
I see what you did there. But it was a good video, and so I appreciate the sponsorship of it. Does super auto pets feature any pet with a playstyle similar to Heimerdinger?
Juice me, squeeze me, roll me, roll me, freeze me 🥚
Super Auto Pets is literally getting out of hand. These too big to fail companies must be stopped
League will never die. You can hate the game but you will always come back for more. Sure some has left the game completely but most of us don't.
true.. not all people love that shoooting style kind of hype game anyway..
_Stockholm Syndrome But Better_
@jondandavekinanahan7488 _* Stockholm Syndrome But Worse_ lol, you're being held hostage *_by_* your own will
Sadly, after riot started playing moral police and banning people in ranked for words taken out of context but not for inting made me quit, i don't have time to play 5 normal games because i wrote something to myself, and i'm not the only one
a few year late you change your comment
League isn't a game, its an addictive substance
is trash in the garbage bro
@rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrmanand people still eat this sht up 😂😂😂
@rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrmansomeone just lost a rank up match
@rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrmanleague is great
@YoutubSosetXuiis a trash game u can play it with phones 😂😂 give flash for all the heros in lol trash
what a time to upload this, one hour before the finals of worlds 2023 xD
they planned it all along
almost like it was the plan all along
I didnt realize Riot's 2 founders were business majors. That explains a LOT...
Ikr
Yeah... Most business becomes successful because of good advertisement. People always underestimates the power of ads but one wrong move and you will end up paying for their services because they are everywhere.
I quit playing league a long time ago, but I always watch the competitive scene. There is just something magical when Worlds comes around
Script writers went wild this worlds I'm not gonna lie.
Agreed' Also some of their songs! KDA was my first K-Pop addiction
You can leave the game, but you can't leave the community inside it.
same 👊
I freaking love this years worlds!
Honestly the worst thing for Riot are the League of Legends players telling their friends to not get into the game.
This, I bet league could be the biggest in the world if not for the terrible pres they have. People that never played the game know it as the toxic game, imagine it was loved?
I think this is part of the reason why they're expanding into other genres. They know that not everybody can be converted into a League player, not just because of the toxicity but also because not everybody enjoys MOBAs or PvP games, which is why they have a fighting game coming out later this year, an MMORPG in development (though it's stuck in development hell) and seemingly had a singleplayer ARPG in development back in 2020 (though the project lead left Riot like 9 months ago and we haven't received any news since). If they play their cards right, they could blow right past Marvel and become the largest multimedia company on the planet, because they not only have an incredible show that pulls a huge audience in, but they'd ideally also have a varied catalogue of games to engage the entirety of that audience.
@jcm2606yeah MOBAs just have an inherently high skill floor and a counterintuitive feedback loop because there's a lot of required complexity that needs to be learned and you can do everything right and still lose because your team made the wrong choices so there's not a lot of positive reinforcement.
I got into playing league because all my friends kept telling me dont play this game it was kind of their own thing i felt left out not knowing why, so i got into the game and found it very fun ngl, and it rewards you for focusing in the game and playing it seriously since if you don't you're gonna become a cannon minion everyone would oneshot and that's not fun, add to that the death timer and the grey screen and everything i even remember back in the days next to your health it used to be a badge on killing sprees and you'd lose that if you die.
So tldr, people telling others not to play it doesn't work completely against them, the game rewards you for focusing and once you focus a lot on something you get addicted to it and the rest is cinema.
I quit LOL years ago, I find competative gaming too sweaty. if reaching challenger or even getting close requires 20,000+ games worth of experience and everybody is try harding all the time, then I don't want to play. Thats true for all games. The best times in league were the early days and the promotions vs ai. halloween doombots, star guardians, the galaxy promo. These were awesome. They could/should have given us a campaign type game vs ai with their regular type of gameplay.
As a league of legends player since early 2012 I can tell you the bigger reasons why league became huge in latam are that the game could be played on any potato pc (back in the day most of us had crappy pcs) and that it was free, add that they released dedicated latin american (not Spaniard) voice acting in 2013 with its own servers and it was destined to be huge in the region.
Basically, the same recipe that worked for Russia, but for Latinskaâ Amêrika.
8 years ago, my PC got broken and i've managed to make LoL work on an old winXP. We never needed a break, because my friends and me had a couple minutes to get food and go to toilet while loading screen. xDD
@friedaliora5640 back in the day loading screens used to take forever, I had a friend that fas infamous in the group for loading slow (back when you used to see individual loadings) once I was getting ready to go out and i took a quick shower while we loaded lol
agree, this is one of the huge reasons they made it
For me it was the time it came out. I was waiting for Dota 2 like a child was waiting for his birthday. But league came out 1-2 years earlier. In this time they took all the people who never played moba games from the market and bound them to their product.
When you think it's about to die, there will be a 6M+ peak viewers will pop-up. Largest ever in E-Sports history. Truly, legends never die.
Also a snorefest.
Well China and the far east have enough young idiots willing to invest a half a decade of their lives into this mind numbing garbage because they have soo much free time and nothing useful to do to occupy their minds because of their current station in life - its a babysitting tool for asian parents.
@HighLanderPonyYTWeibo wasn't supposed to be in the finals in the first place. It's not their fault their bracket had unbelievable chokers lol
let be honest most of it was because of Faker, can say for my self, only watched the last match of last year and this year worlds because faker was playing, wanted to see the player I grew up watching dominating my generation getting another title, was a nostalgic experience, after he retires I think no more worlds for me probably, already skipping most of the matchs for 3 worlds in a row
Would have had like 300k more viewers if Russia did not invade our Ukraine players' country
League is not just a game. It's a whole universe that offers something to everyone. You like the competitive gameplay? They've got ranked games. You like the art and lore? Check out Arcane. You enjoy the lore but prefer experiencing it yourself through a game? There's Legends of Runeterra. You are into pro players? They never disappoint with Worlds. It's a rewarding experience no matter which direction you go. I started playing League in 2012 (and developed a massive celebrity crush on Piglet lmao) but the art and lore kept me in the universe. Now I find myself traversing through the regions in Legends of Runeterra.
nerd
Omg Piglet fan like me!
real lol
even in LoR you get multiple directions to go. Feeling competitive? Play rank or pvp. Or if you are salty getting dominated by players (like me xD), play path of champions instead. I'm so invested in Vayne cards rn. My favorite interaction is between her and kind-hearted recruit. ("My sister's no monster, Vayne. You'll see" - "Is that so? Then where did you get that scar?")
Wow...if those were the standards you set for everything the Riot Games have made with their product, I suggest you explore something else instead.
Riot Games is a company that's promoting this toxic, addictive gaming culture and they want people like you to get drown into it. I hate to say this but you have to stop having this unrealistic vision of them, or else it will be too late for you to pull yourself out of this situation.
same with every company i mean look at blizzard, or much more extreme like coke, pepsi and every other softdrinks yet people drink it anyway even knowing that its bad for thier health in the long run
I’ve been resisting League for many years but they finally got to me with Arcane.
RIP
im about to make a bad decision
@user-pv5hz5gz9esame man, it can’t be that bad right?
I'm on a 2 year break but Arcane probably will get me back
@Cal3000 I think they got me. I’m only level 20. I’ll get bored of it in like a month though right?
I remember randomly stumbling upon dota 1.0 in the custom games when I got bored of Warcraft TFT. I got instantly hooked. I never thought a custom mod would grow to a size this massive.
Did you even watch the video? its not about the mod, its about the accessability and brand.
Have you ever heard about other little mod called CounterStrike?
@grlt23 or DayZ- pretty sure half life started that way as well didnt it
LoL is based on DOTA 1, which was a mod/custom map on WC3. That's what he's saying we never expected all this to come from it.
@alinn.4341 don't care dota best league trash
Legends never die.
Nah but seriously it's kind of crazy. I've had my account since S1 and kind of fell out of love a bit after S8 where I hit my all-time peak(D4). This is my first season going unranked. I will say though the memories I've had with this game are fucking crazy. I just don't think I'll ever go back to my prime. Probably just ARAMs every now and then.
aram is the retirement place
it wont die because people are so busy playing it, most of the time they do not share what happen
@uhmatcha IKR. hahahah. years ago, my friends were hard sweating in the game. now, we just chill in aram.
maybe they know that if you reach your ranking target you will stop caring about the game. So they make the climbing experience as much miserable as possible
Maybe you will. I've been playing for about 10 years since season 2/3, though I played casually at first. I peaked Diamond in Season 7 and I've been playing casually with just ARAM's since then, only playing about 20 ranked games a year to reach Diamond and get the border and then going back to ARAM.
This year I decided to give ranked a go, and in just a couple of months I hit Grandmaster playing only Teemo because he's fun as hell. Top 300 of the entire continental ladder.
Not that there's anything wrong with playing casually, I did that for years. But if you put some dedication to it, even without sweating it, you can get back to your prime and beyond pretty easily
it will never die becuse like counter strike, it stuck in peoples culture of the esport genre so it is instantly looked at before anything else as it is the bigest one, while also rewarding people with alot money in competetive scene that no new moba could give to its playerbase, valorant also got people playing it becuse riot got the big budget from league since the release making once again competetive worth for people that go after the money and are intrested in e sports
It doesn't matter how much Riot shit on their playerbase, people will always come back to play it because they are stuck with their intellectual property: the champions, their habilities, summoner's rift map, etc. It's the game where their skill will best shine, despite the company's soul crushing neglect in maintaining a competitive environment in it's ranked queues.
If pirating the game was legal and someone implemented a better queue system & voice chat with the same champions and map, riot would go bankrupt the next day
@paulojose7568You're right. But I just wanna point out that the main problem isn't with the queue system, the game itself has massive flaws, and it cannot be fixed anymore. People still play it because they are still addicted to it and somehow couldn't snap themselves out of it just yet.
The game will die soon enough, we just need to wait until it's official.
@@Daofro00 I don't think I'm that great but thank you for your compliment, I appreciate that!
Yup, Riot is an evil company and we have to stop promoting any of their games for the sake of the younger generation!
@Cp-yx4cior people like the game and dont hate it with a passion, maybe just maybe you stop being riots number 1 black knight
@bullettime1116 I'll say you stop being a fanboy of Riot Games and start waking yourself up from this nightmare!
me watching this after falling right into their business coz of arcane
Fantastic video. One small thing I'd mention is that HoN's downfall was probably more due to Dota2 than LoL. The video was focusing on LoL's rise so not a big deal. For anyone who doesn't know, HoN went with the idea that it was a true successor for the original Dota while LoL wanted to be its own thing. The true successor idea was crushed when Dota 2 came out and directly ported everything from Dota 1. HoN carried on for a long while (props to them for keeping going for so long) but the creation of Dota 2 effectively neutered HoN's main marketing angle.
yea the video is kind of based removing important context to make riot look more better. 30% of what was said is false in this video
@jeremyjohn93 Yeah there are definitely a few things he says that are intentionally vague or just downright misinformation to make Riot seem more innovative than they really are. There were definitely tons of free-to-play MMOs when League dropped, mostly Eastern games, but there were still many successful western ones such as D&D online and RuneScape. He mentions competitive releasing in 2010 as a response to competition, but then shows HotS and Pokemon Unite, which didn't drop until 2015 and 2021 respectively.
@LBLBLBLBLBLBLBLBLBLB Also the whole scandal when they took down the DotA All-Star forum while hiring Pendragon to redirect DotA players towards LoL, or the whole legal fight with Blizzard and Valve and the part they played in it. Agreed, the video looks good, but the content is far from accurate.
yeah make sense...
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I haven’t played a single game if league in 3 years. I still watch streams and worlds. I hope it doesn’t die, it truly is a great game, even with all the flaws and toxic community.
Nothing connects more than toxocity
you stopped playing bc u suck at league
Well. I don't know which competitive game doesn't have a toxic community, though. Of course the devs could do even more about it but Riot isn't the worst in giving out bans etc
Its not toxic anymore, they punish u for saying the word "nuts" trust me. As for great game that is debatable imo
Same. but I only hook with their pouring on budget for movies and music video. Someone gotta run the mouse wheel and I got more to wat ch.
The amount of memories I've made playing league with friends makes up for all the unpleasnt experiences I've had with randoms. Literally met some of the most important people in my life because I started playing league, that I otherwise wouldn't.
My brother and I actually flew out to meet some of our league friends in Chicago for LCS summer finals in 2022, one of my best memories as an adult.
@devilkingaming4619 Good to hear you had fun! I feel like league gets a lot of slack for being toxic, but the few good people you meet are worth it. It's crazy to think that half of my friends wouldn't be my friends if I didn't decide to hop on one random evening and play solo. I even met my boyfriend on league hahaha. Hope you make more memories with your buddies, and hope they get even better next time! It's such a good feeling to meet your online friends irl
This X 100. Even with all the hate League gets for having a toxic playerbase, TBH I've played a lot of games and never found it uniquely bad among other big PVP team-based games. What I do know about are the amazing friendships that I've maintained over the years by just hopping on my favorite game. In high school, I had a group of friends and we'd all procrastinate on our homework and projects, going on long losing streaks while playing, but having a blast all the while, trying to get our first win of the day. I even have a friend who met her husband on League and they recently had a child.
Why isnt chess dead? How come no one has made a chess killer?
@demonseed360 Exactly!!! Plus all the funny clips of people being angry(even friends) still make me die of laughter everytime I see them. I'm really happy to hear these good experiences from people, it's validating that I ain't insane and that it's not actually that bad. Personally always felt way worse playing games like CS and getting flamed. I also feel like it helps you manage your emotions when dealing with unpleasant people. Also hope your friends are doing well with the new addition to their family:D
8:20 I bet at least half the remaining players left after a game they paid for was suddenly free. I'd be so f***ing mad.
I don't think the success of early League is ONLY due to being free to play, but it also had less system requirements than their competitors, allowing for people aside from America to play it easily (Same thing that happened with WoW before)
now we are talking with someone with brain, also league marketing department is on a whole other level compared to other MOBA games, its not even comparable.
The success is due to Warcraft 3 being so darn fun.
I can still hear my little orcs …. 😂
Tommy Tallarico really immortalized himself with this one. I bet his mom is so proud.
I have played maybe two bot matches of LoL but I love watching worlds with my sons. The animation, Arkane, was also so good that it makes me want to know more about the world and lore.
yes! the eSport side of League is amazing, It's just like physical sports but more strategic. I just wished that other regions would really get into more the competitiveness of major regions.
@izshtar as someone who watches both football (soccer) and league e sports it is not more strategic football has 1000s of diff strategies and formations and evolves BUT league e sports is the most strategic e sports and is the closest e sports to actual sports since each role is unique and plays diff purposes and roles which makes it more interesting to watch then fps e sports
@HealthiestWellbeing that's true actually since you'd have to need your mind and physical body at the same time, I like to think of League as a Chess Game. I like FPS eSports as well but more on the Valorant Scene since i enjoy it watching more often than CS.
The lore was better than MCU tbh
@izshtar Yeh league is like a chess game since even the drafting stage is tense because you are trying to see what the other team wants while trying to set your team up for a counter draft all around a great e sport from the draft stage to the nexus siege
I started in 2011. Played heavily til 2017. Started again last year. Theres nothing else like it.
Nothing will ever beat the experience of making an opponent rage quit in league of legends
That is a strong, strong mustache 💪
I've always been interested in league since 2013 but 1. i didn't have computer and 2.I felt like it was too technical. Now there are thousands of online tutorials, tips and even gamers teaching. That's what makes league feel alive. If you go search any other game that came around that time or even after the communities are dead by now. Even though there's toxic players in the game, outside the game there are friendly ppl who are passionate and wiling to introduce you to the game.
The same reason baseball isn't. Because everyone thinks they can go pro
As someone who started playing League in Season Two, it REALLY has come a long way, even if there's still some problems to this day.
oh yes season 2 when we used to unistall the game when we saw jax coming even if it was all 5 of us together
when yi players hit W on ap yi and went to the bathroom
when my teammate lux had 6 death cap
when a game went 60 minute because both yi and jax's full build is 3 infinity edge and 2 phantom dancer
yea great memories :D
As someone who started playing League in Season 2, it really has most of what made it fun and challenging, I haven’t played in 3 years, and I intend never to play it again
@aligmal5031 this gave me some nostalgia. I started playing in S2 and stopped at S5; terrible waste of college years lmao.
@AdamOwenBrowning same i also miss the seasonal maps where it used to snow in the rift in winter they don't do that anymore :'c
Dominion. Day 1 broken champions (Diana, Irelia, Etc). SivHD. Only one server, babel tower with Russian, Korean, Chinese, Dutch, etc all on same team. Busted champions that took long for them to patch (I remember hating riven for YEARS before they finally realized she needed her legs broken).
I play since S5, and I don't think I will ever leave the game for good. (I've tried, but always come back)
Even when I go months without playing, I never stop watching lol streamers and esports, and that (eventually) makes me want to play again
do you think riot neglects the competitive integrity in their ranked queues?
same for me. started in 2016 but i was unable to match the skill of the other player and left the game and picked it back in 2020 during the lockdowns and actually enjoyed playing since then
How old are you?
threadpool3669 Same yet I still keep coming back haha
@paulojose7568 What make you think so?
meanwhile in SEA.. you can play DOTA easily on Computer cafes through cracked Warcraft III, either play LAN and play with your friends or another friend group to challenge them, if you don't have friends, you can play online through Garena servers. When Riot wants to get ahold of the SEA region, Garena stepped in to handle the servers for Riot's behalf but Garena milked the playerbase until recently when Riot finally stepped down their foot.
Started in March 2011, still playing today... But haven't played ranked since Season 7. After S7 I went chill mode (aram, urf, arena) and started playing other games on the side :)
You are so nice for putting the ad in the end. Thank you for the video
The intro itself is the answer. The league creators are not developers, they’re business men.
I haven't played League in a while but it's always going to be the go-to for me and my friends when we do get the chance. Truly a legendary game
You should try wildrift
@Kaze-s3gwhat‘s better about wildrift?
Most games want to thrive because you love them. League thrives because you hate it.
That’s why it never died.
Great video. Probably the first time I've heard of business guys being the beginning instead of a designer or dev and it working out well.
They birthed the nightmare hell mobile game microtransaction world we live in today. S2 made the better game, but had no business sense. Shady dealings and ad money win out over transparency and good game design, it turns out..
This is still crazy to me. I started playing League in 2011, and while I don’t play regularly today, it is still a wonder to watch and play when I get the time. They were way ahead of their time and the business model they had was outstanding.
Legends never die, I will remember this game fondly (despite the rage) for the rest of my life.
As a guy who has been playing the game for 10 years its truly nostalgic to me watching this. And I have felt the popularity evolving every year, the game was getting more and more famous and better. Riot really did a great job with the game and really killed the competition. The game has no competition in its niche.
dota2 is the lesser and boring MOBA
@piedrablanca1942 i wouldnt say dota 2 is boring its just slower, for some players they prefer that slow paced gameplay. I dont doe so thats why i prefer league
Are you challenger yet?
@myst6387 10 years still gold gg no re
@piedrablanca1942LOL is easy. It's a baby game for normies hence they are popular. LMAO
00:15 wow look at Final Fantasy XIV jump up from 2016-2021
Because Cancer is hard to kill
actual truth
was going to say the same thing.
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Chemo is expensive too, so you just can't get and use anything to kill it
the first 5 seconds is literally the last time my Janna has been viable to the competitive scene :< she's like a forgotten champ on pro play now. I really hope she emerge again :
Your videos are like Jason Schriers book in video format I love it!
Stopped playing lol year ago but probably most important thing that keeped me playing, wasnt game itself, but whats gonna bappen next, its like a tv show, newest songs, world cups, lore, new characters, literally everything other than the game itself
I associate this game with the fact that for a long time I didn't know what atmosphere this game was in, I had to ask if it was fantasy or sci-fi
It's mostly fantasy. While there is Zaun and Piltover that has tech that's sci-fi. The source of it has always been magic like everything else in the lore.
@Martin-yh7vi Thanks
It's Warcraftverse
It’s fantasy. The only sci fi it can have is because some humans in runeterra like piltover and zaun don’t have the gift of magic so they rely on science to make magic . But mostly fantasy ,
League took my life
I really appreciate you for making this video. It gives us a glimpse of the game's start and how it all came to be.
I havent played league in years it feels like ive been sobor or clean. Such a relief. No more cancer, no more aids, no more toxic 16 yr old chinese boys typing essays about how to play while feeding mid
In short, Riot Games understands Loss Leader business model
It wasn't that it was they understood Free To Play model. Their game succeeded off the model not its merit. As the video said heroes of newerth was just the objectively better game at the time. But merit lost to business strategy.
They’re business majors
Play to Earn! Gamer Buffer :D
As someone who loves where business & gaming intersect found this insanely fascinating.
There's a lot more to HoN vs LoL in the shady business side of things that drives me insane. LoL was like a parasite that refused to die and has taken over its host and become a monstrosity. S2 (HoN) was made by a guy who won the lottery and wanted to make his dream games, so they had the cash to do good art, hire some decent programmers, create a polished product and sell it up front and honest, no microtransactions, no locked content, you buy it and you own the game, all characters, all maps, and all future updates, no additional charges. They didn't have to learn the ropes of business because of that initial money, but because of that, they didn't prioritize profit enough to stay afloat in the long term. Riot was able to gut punch and stab them in the back repeatedly; Riot paid tournament organizers to host LoL instead of HoN, insisting that only one MOBA could be at the event. Riot hired the DotA competitive community manager and he shut down the DotA community website and forums, replacing the site with a link to LoL's beta signup page, destroying a whole community and scattering them to the winds, leaving no access to archives of the forums, of friends talking, of games and replays recorded, guides posted over many years, it was like a gamedev war-crime. On LoL's forum meanwhile, all mention of HoN and DotA was banned, the words themselves were censored. HoN's best ideas, like Chipper, the rodent piloting a mech, with a line-targeted DoT AoE ult.. would become Rumble, for example. When HoN began, they were working with Icefrog to port over DotA heroes to the game, but before long, Valve offered him more money to abandon HoN. Later, HoN's most beloved game designer Nome, and community manager MsPudding, got 'sniped' by Riot, offered way more money to turn their backs on S2. That on top of Riot's presence at game conventions and paying for advertising over game development, is how they took over the market while honest, idealistic, naive and outdated S2 got left in the dumpster. Even today, HoN's original gameplay felt more responsive than LoL or DOTA2, I swear to god, and that's gotta be what putting all your advertising money into making a good game, looks like. It's up there with Starcraft:Ghost as my two most tragic videogame-loves-lost.
On top of this, the fighting game they are working on looks like it has strong potential to be a huge hit in the FGC and they are also working on an MMO too. I'm stoked.
I think something that often gets overlooked is how League took away a lot of players from WoW and the MMO genre overall. It gave us hardcore gamers a more streamlined experience that did not require scheduling, practice, planning, a guild, etc. you just get online and play
Your explanation with HoN vs LoL was on point. I was at a small "LAN" party with two friends and they insisted that we played HoN, didn't have any money to buy it.. Saw an ad for a free game called league of legends clash of clans and we decided to play that instead.
1:50 These are minor issues. Being randomly disconnected and not being able to rejoin were the greatest ones.
If the game ended with all 10 players present it was a little miracle.
Ok grandpa let's get you to bed
What was worse is that with Heros of the storm it still happened. If you lost connection for half a second then it had to resynch with the game and took minutes to recover. If that happened and the game finished in the period while the game tried to recover, you where flaged as having left on purpose.
the load times were pretty average for an RTS at that time. also your explanation of dota as a "mod of one of the maps" is bizarre. it wasnt a "mod", it was a custom map. wc3 came with a built in custom map editor of which there were thousands
Just gotta say is what keeps league alive for me is ARAM, I don’t have to worry, strategize, worry about counter picks, long game unwinable commitments, autofills. I get the satisfaction of a fun character to play without having to grind and build correctly like other games.
Long live ARAM
Same!! ❤
I never played LOL but reading and watching in-depth videos about the rise, falls and success and there players is so fascinating.
Thanks for the video, with clips, pics and quotes.
1. The free to pay model
2. Worlds
The pro scene exploded in 2012 with the tsm house, moscow 5 rivally and worlds got huge every year out doing the last and the league system in 2013 was the major change that riot pushed hard most likely at a loss that made them stand above everyone else.
I've never been invested in any of sport outside of football until League game around which to me is really unusual to be that invested in a game but it's not so much the game but the great cast, crew, players, the events, music, special effects, they like the Walt Disney of online gaming lol
Defo the best at making epic showcase tbh I'm not really interested in playing the game nowadays but I still love the passion for the competitive scene
3. Lore
4. Skins
Riot Skins sucks, can't even customize or sell lol@Seroxm13
@daghetto101so you want to transmog sections of "armor" with different skins? I mean I guess that's a nifty feature, but just like how things get really tacky (cause not everyone has great fashion/aesthetic sense) in R6 and WoT, I'd rather just turn off skins of other people... which basically defeats the point of skin flex.
and TBH, skins marketplace is a very toxic feature to me. I mean I guess people get a hard on with CSGO's system, but really I just want to play the game man, having to also think about a digital stock exchange is just... too much trouble?
@daghetto101 as someone who have played many games and that mainly play them for the skins (there isn't someone as addicted to game skins and cosmetics as me), LoL by far has the best skins! They are that great, that you don't even have to customize them like others. When you have to cusomize it, it's because the original skin sucked. Plus LoL has chromas if you want a little change.
@daghetto101 So they suck because they are not customizable and you cant sell it, not because they are artistically worse. Yeah, I dont want gambling in my game, keep your selling system.
I'm done with league but very interested in the expanded ip. Arcane, project L, the music, etc. The more they do with it, the better. So much potential and they're actually using it. Can't complain about the pace too much when pretty much everything they make outside of the game is gold.
It's a crying shame that when arcane dropped league players everywhere was telling arcane hands don't play league. They need other projects to funnel new fans to.
i tried league soley because of arcane. there wasnt really much of a good tutorial so i was so confused i gave up after like 2-3 tries, and i play games semi regularly. I think it'd be nice if they could toggle on a more explanative tutorial
Agreed. I'm actually of the opinion that the game itself is the worst thing about League of Legends. I played it for a while but everybody is such a tryhard on it; you get flamed for making minor mistakes and I'm like "I just created this account last week; of course I'm not good."
Arcane, on the other hand, is a show that's so good I'd rate it higher than Game of Thrones. Riot knocks things out of the park, and even the game wouldn't be that bad if the player base wasn't as toxic.
@Solarstormflare there should be an extensive tutorial at the ice map. You can play against bots or solo for a few games. It teaches last hitting minions, which gives you a lot of gold over time, so that you can buy items.
I've already told several people who enjoyed Arcane to not bother playing League. League players can find League in Arcane, but don't bother looking for Arcane in League, because you won't find it. And the learning curve is way too steep to pick up casually.
@RellikanThe ARAM map? Aram is pretty good for getting a decent grasp on League. It's much easier to see the objectives, because they're laid out in one lane instead of three; with no jungle objectives. And it's easier to learn each champ and what they do/ how they function in a team fight, because you can usually see all 10 players at once. I can go almost entire games on the rift without seeing certain players, and it makes it hard to learn what their champ does if you're not familiar with them.
Its how re playable the game is. League is very deep, even if on the surface it might not seem like it. I equate it to chess; the board stays the same but the possibility of moves and potential to outsmart your opponent is infinite. I took many breaks over the years but eventually find myself coming back because its the only game that can still get my blood pumping.
If its equateable to chess, people would play chess just as much. People play LoL more because of addiction. Funny how the addicts show all the signs of it, especially trying to "explain" why it's something else. (it isn't, everyone just sees and hears ur addicted, except for other addicts.).
@grumpyginger9783sounds like cope to me. Would you say I'm addicted to playing football since it gets my blood pumping? Same with League, it makes me think faster for outsmart moments
@summonerbraddysg51 No, you just say it gets your blood pumping. Thats a hobby/passion, not an addiction. When you start to try to explain to others and/or yourself why it's the best thing ever and why it's okay to spend all your time on it, even when it's clear that it's affecting you negatively, that's when it becomes an addiction. Football addicts do exist tho, I'm sure you know people like that.
@summonerbraddysg51 "potential to outsmart your opponent is infinite" that applies to close to all forms of competition. It's not unique to league. When people think it's a rare thing, it shows that they have never seen any other competitive games, probably because all their time already is in LoL. It's literally how the game is designed to work, last hitting is the most addictive thing in gaming next to lootboxes and headshots. Riot won't even hide that if you look into it.
No hard feelings tho. League is a fun game. I completely stopped playing because of the community not accepting people who have good mechanics but didn't spend 1000 hours learning all champions (i'm lvl 40 and get matched with lvl 300+ constantly because of that. those games are extra toxic to put it lightly). I thought normal matches are for learning champions, well my teammates disagreed. So I played csgo instead and got addicted, am still bad but can't stop playing. I feel the need to explain to people that it equates to chess :p then my LoL addicted friend compares LoL to chess for the 100th time. Ur not alone buddy :D
By character design alone LOL is clearly way better than any moba out there
If only other big games could do this. I want to be hyped about more franchises.
Mario & Pokemon!
@Seroxm13 Pokemon? The game that demands 70$ each year for shit copy paste content? Come on. Pokemon is a hobby for the wealthy. League of Legends is for everyone.
@junba1810 what? Pokemon has soooo many different games. Not all are the same smh.
I love both, LoL and Pokemon, but Pokemon has way more diversity in games.
@Seroxm13 Pokemon has so many different games that all cost 70$.
@junba1810 "League of Legends is for everyone." No it's not lol. Not everyone wants to play a PvP game.
Totally didn't expect to see Super Auto Pets to be mentionned in a short analysis/story about League and it made me smile in the most wholesome way haha, great game !
SAP is probably the best mobile game Ive ever played.
I'm so baffled at the mention. Did this guy make it or something?
Very indepth and insightful video.
I like your breakdowns of the video game industry, they're truyly eye opening.
Keep it up.
For someone who is in the esports industry - League of Legends and Riot Games is such a good case study for Business Development, Sales, and Influencer Marketing. It teaches you about longevity, proper marketing, and how to convert non-endemic brands to endemic brands for effective partnership/sponsorships. It's insanely interesting and fun, and all of it usually comes back to the rise of League of Legends and Riot Games. Truly Goated.
After watching this multiple times, something tells me that Riot understands the business model. I could be wrong though
I have been playing League since Season 3, I haven't touched it in a while (almost 2 years now), it was a love-hate relationship in the end. What I can say is it brought some of the best gaming moments with our community of friends while growing up, heck I still have a few of their Worlds songs on the shuffle for when I'm driving around, so much time has passed listening to the InstaLock songs, Tyler1, Trick2g, Necrit going through the LoL lore.
There was a lot to be desired when playing league sometimes but you gotta admit they got a lot of things right. The community that was built around it was amazing. They often listened to the players and implemented changes to the system; especially with trolls and in game disconnections. I
I have a wife and daughter now and we watched the Arcane series on Netflex when it aired, I really enjoyed giving the wife some back story on some of the characters and feeling somewhat proud to have been part of the LoL project. I think looking back I'd spent around $200-250 on the game in 7 years or so of playing. GG RITO.. GG
I never really give a thoughts about it but I can really use some of RIOT's business strategy in many areas. It's seriously amazing just how much those ideas can be use in any types of business.
He:..u know what else will never die?
Me:Legends?...they become a part of you!
I just saw this after riot announced they laying of 11% of employees and riot forge is dead but yes league will live for now
4:51 Seeing these 3 questions today, knowing the "norms" of the gaming industry nowadays, is probably the most bizarre thing I've experienced this month. "Where's the singleplayer? Why is it free to play?" If only they knew that there will be a frickin Call of Duty game only 10 years later that completely lacks a singleplayer campaign, and then the next one would offer a multiplayer mode for free, which would later define Call of Duty for the youngest generation (which is kinda sad but this is not the point).
And yes, I can always feel the slight tingle in my stomach every year when Worlds is right around the corner. The hype I get every time I listen to the new Worlds Anthem for the first time is bigger than any sporting event (except for F1 races).
The lore is also very intricately written and well though-out. I'm so hyped for Hwei, the newest champion as of now, because he's connected to Jhin, one of my favourite characters, not just in League of Legends, but in the entire gaming history.
And then Riot decided to skyrocket itself and develop another game which will draw in players through the lore and the world building, their MMO RPG. I can't wait to play it (although we might have to wait for a few years still).
I remember back in 2010 when there was a champion suggestion board on the riot forum website. I remember Riot adapting tons of player suggestions including my idea of a vampire-like champion with a slavic name focused on life drain and with an untargetable W accompanied with a drawing I did during class. Those were the glory Days of League
now it is one of the most hated champion 😂
So you were the culprit? Haha
You're welcome
Holy!! You are a legend bro 😂
Thanks for giving me my main
alright it's been 6 minutes and I'm learning so freaking much I'm subbing
take care bud
I really would have liked you to go more into detail on your last part. Because Riot's decision to go into other games around Leagues world (excluding valorant) is quite recent. They are building a world only seen before by Blizzard with Warcraft and they are doing such an amazing job to show it in depth. Not even now but also the plan for the future. There has never been such a high quality cross channel game universe, different games, mobile apps, trailer videos, music, esports, series and more. Especially the quality focus where freedom of art is allowed that we rarely see today.
Right now it all seems to lead to the creation of the MMO, which needs so much more preperation with world building and the combination with an actually extremely well made series on netflix focussing on in depth characters is pure genius for me. I'm very ecited to see whats coming over the next years, even though I'm not even playing their games anymore.
Also: I think there is one big point missing in your analysis. The market thinking between the western world and china. There are definitely other reasons to criticise Tencent, but they play such a big part in this success story as they allow this freedom of creation and don't interfere how the game is made (in the market outside china) while also providing all the money that is needed. There are just sooo many bad examples of western stock corporations where the executives made decisions that harm the game, be that harsh deadlines, foced business models or other things where people made decisions who have no clue about the target audience. This never seemed to happen with Riot games, not even after such a long time.
It’s a shame that you didn’t mention how Riot Pendragon literally closed the DOTA all-stars forums permanently and made it so that the only thing visible on the page was a link to the League of Legends beta lmao
Obligatory "fuck Pendragon"
Also how they stole champion ideas from these forums (like Rammus and Teemo) and then cleared their tracks by wiping the forum data
in Vietnam, League was advertised as DotA 2. And I meant no joke. Back in the era where 90% of Internet coffe's pc in Vietnam is about playing DotA, and they advertised League as DotA 2.
Guess he owned those forums?
@youtubebob123 Not exactly, but he did have control of them.
A game that is both easy to play and incredibly hard at its highest level. Despite its millions of ups and down, you get updates each week and events each year. Anyone who tried going to another game know how rare that is.
Apart from all of that, they have shaped the competitive scene of games. Everything is grand with worlds, there is cool new technology, live performances, top tier casting and the players are treated like gods. With so much investment in the player's experience, its hard to give up a game that makes you feel so seen at times.
i love how in 9:35 you play a clip of a blitcrank pulling a dude while you are saying "that kept players H O O K E D" Good work on that one hahah. keep it up man, great video!
I stopped playing League, but I am looking forward to their MMO, watched Arcane, watched Worlds and played LoR. My heart will always be with Nasus and Shurima.
*looks at avatar* checks out
I just play legend of runeterra
"Perhaps Shurima was meant to fall"
I want to say this is a very informative video and thank you for making it aspiring video game creators will learn from this as time goes on keep it up!
One thing that I never hear talked about is how much effort League puts into is community management. I remember devs building entirely new systems and tech that they gave seminars on to better manage the community and cut down on toxicity. Even today despite it's admittedly deserved reputation for toxic behavior the game has more tools then most to report and censor toxic behavior, it's just that the game is so big and so old at this point the community is nigh impossible to police and full of to many veterans unforgiving of beginner mistakes even in the low ranks and levels.
They failed to cut down the toxicity. U can just team-report one player and system just hammer-reported player without context or a reason. And they "fix" most time the problems that doesn't exist. Like "spam-ping" or chat-restrictions.
Veterans just can READ and THINK. They have experience. New players can't even choose masteries(runes) without porofessor or smt like that crap. No one likes a burden for the team.
Now in league reality in 1 game with 4 good players and 1 bad player is equal to the lost game.
@NortSeLayer found the dude who only just plays league of legends and is currently in a losing streak lmfao
You see, unlike you, I've played tons of IPs and competitive environments, and none are even as remotely close as Riot is in terms of community engagement relative to size. Even Counter Strike fumbled because they were dumb enough to think "PS4 Graphics - better competitive game".
@hachiko2692 Unlike you, i has around 4 hundred IPs only in my steam library, most of them are slashers/shooters, a bunch of RPGs, some old(or very old games) and a little of competitive RTS. and ofc Battlebrawlers (i sure u don't even know what type of a games is this)
Unlike you i'v seen good and bad games. And i say to you, my little commentator, that Riot is one of the most incompetent, irresponsible and greedy company in this decade. Charges 2-3x$ price for a watermark in indie game that can be developed by a 10 good people instead of a 200 CEOs(these are not bad games though) They don't even want to fix problems in their own client
"and none are even as remotely close as Riot is in terms of community engagement relative to size." - no one cares about bunch of apes. That's not an argument. Most of the "community" don't play their games. I appreciate the work(games), not media hysteria.
"Even Counter Strike fumbled because..."
CS if outdated. If developer can - he change, improve engine and fix the bugs. Visual clarity is by all means more important is Shooters, so they change how things look. U are not competitive. U are hypocrite.
@NortSeLayer”my little commentator” why are you so corny?? 😂
Honestly, I almost never run into toxic players anymore thanks to their reporting systems. No you wont get punished if just one person reports you. It has to be multiple people or multiple times and the few times i run into toxic players and report them i usually get a notification that my report resulted in punishment because that player was actually bad and managed to get multiple reports.
I started playing in June 2010 with the release of Rankeds, Season 1 and Xin Zhao (which was my main since then), had been very active until I started college in 2017
What Riot does really well on top of what you said is listening to the community and giving the community what they want. Also balancing the game, and changing the meta with a looot of patches to keep the game fresh and you needing to adapt again, never reaching a predictable and boring point
One good reason I think is overlooked is the lower skill floor compared to it's contemporaries.
It was much simpler as there was less things to worry about. No need to deny minions. No need to use carriers or the secret shop. Free recalls.
Standardization of skill mapping to QWER. No turn rates. These and more were that accessibility which allowed more people to play.
I'm not saying that League is easy to learn, or that it doesn't have a high skill ceiling (There was plenty of exiting high mechanical plays this recent Worlds).
I'm also not saying that the simple approach is always better (plenty of MOBAs failed because they were too bare-bones, and DOTA 2 shows that there is still a market for more complex play)
I would rather use the word systematic. But yeah you made a really good point.
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no need to deny minions? my guy
@goranpersson7726 denying is last-hitting your own minions, so the enemy doesn't get gold and gets less exp. It doesn't exist in League.
@Gundog256 you can still deny someone that xp. force them away from the minions with your pressure so they arent close enough to get it
I've literally played LoL since launch while stationed in Okinawa through today. Its really cool to see how this has grown from just a handful of champs to scrolling screens of choices. I've liked it mainly because it has a start and stop of each fight vs games like WoW and Warhammer that just go on and on.
People that kept playing the game call that cool, but the majority of people that played back then have quit because it ruined the identity of league of legends as well as insane power creep. It's a constant new wave of players keeping league alive at least as far as NA goes.
@jamesbiggs2745it is kinda funny how a lot of old favorites are now meta champions. Back in like 2013 I mostly played udyr, ashe and twisted fate, mid mostly ahri. They were kind of the free or cheap to play trash champs constantly beat by better pay to win champions. And now in world I'm seeing those picked or banned in many games and mostly it's top and support which are newer champs that didn't exist 10 years ago, most of the meta champs in worlds did exist back then
@jamesbiggs2745 Yeah I agree as someone who played from the start I loved the simple champions like Nasus, Malphite, Garen and Veigar but they just kept releasing more and more convoluted champs that take 10 mins just to read all their abilities and you're still not sure how they work after lol.
love an underdog story! now the passion behind Arcane makes so much sense. it wasn't accidental, they knew the system and played it perfectly
And they didn't ruin it! (Western TV tends to shoot itself in the foot)
were where underdogs. now they are one of the many companies completely or partialy owned by the chinese dictatorship through Tencent.
so damn tragic.
Season 2 released
@skibiditoilet-tu9bv aaaaand it's ruinded.
@jonnywaldis8275 season 2 is sooooo much better than season 1. like jesus the visuals, the plot, the storyline (except sesbian lex)
Because even with the bad matchmaking, it’s still a very addicting game. The events and free stuff keeps pulling me in just when I’m trying to quit.
Thats actually an insane story. Heros of Newerth was nearly the league of legends of today, had they just chosen a different approach.
Amazing story.
I believe the issue with HoN wasn't just the business model, but the fact that it was an exact mirror-copy of Dota. What I mean is that one way or another, Dota 2 was going to kill HoN.
@heavens_drive090 I believe this legit would have happened. +there really was a lot of bugs.
@heavens_drive090yes, it's funny how in the video he never mentions Dota 2, even though it was the game that killed HoN, even with better model it would still be worse than Dota 2
@davidblaine9795 same, I was surprised how the video said LoL killed HoN when it was in fact Icefrog leaving HoN for Dota 2 led to the lack of direction of HoN.
Except it wasn't a mirror copy of Dota. Heroes had slightly different kits, for one. @heavens_drive090
This video does a great job of highlighting a few aspects to LoL's success. But I think it left out a critical part of Riot's feat - which is to make the player(s) feel connected to the different kingdoms, heroes, and overall lore. DotA has an expansive lore, but we don't feel as connected to the heroes and one might ask: why is that? I think Riot has wisely invested in great looking CGI trailers, making small articles on the in-game board containing small snippets or paragraphs relating to the heroes/lands. And when a hero is about to be released, they would make a very nice little trailer to highlight it. Riot even went so far as to create a VTube group that combines English and Korean-speaking idols. Which other game has done that? If you invest in your fans, your fans will invest in you.
While i think that does apply in more recent times, the original game had pretty much zero lore, i played it in beta and it was a lore-desert pretty much. I'm trying to catch up to some of the lore now, but just saying, it has really changed, they fleshed it out over time
This matters a lot. There are many of us lore nerds who love the world they have pain stakingly created. Originally the lore was kind of blah but theyve retconned/redid a lot of the lore. The media they created (cinematics, music, other games) also really helps you understand the world and the characters within.
Because of the waifus surely
No. Blue Archive thrives on waifus.
What seems to be keeping League of Legends around is it being the dull choice for a videogame (Other than Innersloth's intergalactic whodunit that shalln't be named) by people that broadcast their gameplay, especially those on Twitch.
@Code7Unltdand azur Lane
Riot is the kingpin of marketing
Incredible video, so informative and presented so well
I love fighting games, and the fact that they are working in one, that looks amazing, and will be free to play, while knowing how good they are at managing the E-sports scene, I'm very hopeful and excited to see how it goes with Project L.
So accurate. I’ve been playing league for close to 10 years now and I’m 20 years old. It seems like there’s no point in my life where I can leave League for long enough to forget about it. My friends and I all watch Worlds together every year, every game. It’s truly such a big part of my life. ❤ Thanks Rito
For me it's the gigantic roster: When I first started it was thinking about how big the roster could be, now that the game itself has lost some appeal the massive and still growing roster is keeping me invested.
Start @14:00 if you want the actual argument, without all the introduction and history
Great vid my guy, excellent story telling and I feel you really hit the spot on how Leagues has strived to be the the best of it's genre.
*its genre
As much as it's "hated" it's always being worked and improved, actual feels like it's well maintained
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Yea especially the client. Its the same since 2009, just a new flashy ui was added. Thats why scripters have it pretty easy. This guy has no clue what he is talking about.
@xXEGPXx definitely needs it
@xXEGPXx yes updates are frequent, that's not necessarily a good thing. Hey a new update that tweaks a bunch of stuff that I don't want to care about and releases a bunch of new skins or a new champ, when there is already too many.
Always improves and makes freedom of expression ever more banned.
You have such a great eye for detail!
League of legends is a universe and a brand not just for videogames but in the culture of entertainment. This is the reason why it will never die. Especially with arcane s2 and the riot mmo.
Can't forget LOR which is getting better and better and of course tft.
your game is a trash bro
I have been playing League since season 2. I wish I could feel the experience of discovering League as what it is today. It would be mind melting.
I would honestly be completely overwhelmed by the amount of champs ^^' Playing since season 2, too ^^
same but I stopped around maybe s5-6 due to lack of time. I do come back once per year and try the game out. It's honestly mind blowing how different the game is to be honest and the amount of new champs available. The last champ that came out before I quitted was Gnar lol and Fiora R was like Yi's Q
that's what im saying, league is like crack. u play it 24/7 even if u hate it like hell.
@BigSmoke-dp4yh yeah, I agree. Games like these make you want to play more due to the competitive aspect and the slight hit of dopamine when you win especially with "braindead teammates" lol It's more fun now due to the addition of group rank(?) and you can play with friends on vc. I stopped because well, everyone I played with became an adult with job. It's just not as interesting going solo
@minge9 nah bro the fact that u stopped league just like that just baffles me, i only stopped playing league because back then, my monitor had a problem with league or idk, and thank god it did, because if my monitor was working i would look like a discord mod today.
As long as the game is free to play, there will be more new players coming no matter what. Putting a price on the game will create a barrier since no one wants to pay full price for a game like this one
But it's not free to play? What are you on about? If i wanna play all heroes i need to grind/pay for it. Either way.. you are paying for it.
@earlgrey2130grinding is still free to play. you can purchase all champions and even get skins without spending a dime.
since when does grind count as form of payment? @earlgrey2130
@earlgrey2130 you said hero so I'll assume you play Dota2 (like I do and I prefer Dota2) but League is free to play, you can still get the champs you want overtime which became way easier than the old times (I do play league occasionally for fun sometimes I have fun more than playing Dota2)