Vaxis II is almost certainly going to become by favorite Coheed record. I’m not really a metal fan though. My favorite band is Angels and Airwaves and Coheed is probably the heaviest band I listen to on a regular basis. So for me the pop elements are amazing on the new record. But I respect your opinion and am just glad you love this awesome band!!!
Nice tier list(!), but Vaxis 2 should be S tier, here's why: As a 20 year fan, dude, "Bad Man" irritated me so much I deleted it from the album, but then I couldn't get the "awful" chorus out of my mind and after I thought to myself, "Michael Jackson with an 8-string" (Claudio's words btw), I let go of my ego and embraced it, and now love the techno dance tracks on the album, including the Bad Man chorus (embarrassingly dance to it with my wife and 6yo every night like I did to MJ at that age), and the other songs seem nearly flawless Coheed to me. As you said about thinking "Rush" to naysayers. Perhaps consider 10 albums in needing to bring something different to the table, COVID hit Claudio to have to explore sounds solo, and how this sound could interplay brilliantly with the Vaxis musical arc. So long as the auto-tune is only sprinkled here and there and they continue trying new things, I'm loving it!
GA IV Vol 1 - SSSSSS tier. It's a perfect album. On all fronts. Every second of it. The only downside of GA IV Vol 1 is it will be impossible for them to ever eclipse it.
@@josuegarcia6943 agree that the Willing Wells are for sure the tastiest of meats that Coheed ever produced! But ain't no filler on Good Apollo! Everything for me swells into something that is absolutely greater than the sum of its parts! Take the drum lick on Mother May I for example, one of the most inventive 4/4 drum licks I've ever heard. Pure tastiness. But respect your opinion, brother!
I love the afterman albums, theyre the closest to in keeping secrets that coheed has ever gotten back to, its just the quintessential coheed sound and style. Definitely would put them right below the first 3 albums but above no world for tomorrow
Big fan of Metal/Prog side of Coheed and usually what I look forward to the most, but I have to say A Disappearing Act has grabbed me so hard. It’s very much a song about the last couple years of COVID and something about that outro gets me on the verge of tears.
@@CruzaderKnight yeah, ive had the album on repeat like crazy. I think the reason I like it so much is cause the whole album feels like its the closest we've come to apollo 4. Ladders of Supremacy might just be my favorite track though.
Pretty solid ranking I like the new album a lot more than you did but agree the final 3 are the best by far on the album. Using the 2 per tier rule I would probably rank it: S: Apollo IV v.1 and In Keeping Secrets A: Second Stage and Unheavenly Creatures B: No World for Tomorrow and Window of the Waking Mind C: Black Rainbow and Color Before the Sun D: The Afterman Descension and Ascension
Trenches, will you be reviewing the new Porcupine Tree album? Are you a fan, would recommend any of the last five albums as good places to start if curious
Been listening to CoCa since IKSSE:3 and I feel like The story writing on each of The Afterman albums is top notch and for me that lifts them above the originals. But in all honesty, it's hard to pick a bad album, including Vaxis II.
Pretty much spot on with my personal tier list, and glad to see someone else enjoy Vaxis 1 as much as I do! Aside from a couple tracks I find to be filler (Queen of the Dark, True Ugly), this record contains many standout Coheed moments in their whole discog. The three-song run of Dark Sentencer, Unheavenly Creatures and Toys might just be my favorite 3 song run in all their albums (maybe aside from Time Consumer, Devil in NJ, and Everything Evil on SSTB). If you like the concept album nature of Coheed, listen to The Dear Hunter! They're releasing a new album next week too. Would love to see a tier list of those guys someday, some of their records are among my favorite of all time.
I’ve been a fan since 2003 and have two tattoos from their graphic novels and I love them so much. My love for them has lasted longer than any relationship I’ve been in hahahaha I’ll forever be one among the fence!
The first Afterman is one of my favorites, Holly Wood is a bit goofy but the concept and it being such a short song keeps it fine enough for me. I love the title track, I think it's super cinematic, I love Goodnight Fair Lady's theatricality, I love the pause after he says "the glass smashed." Subtraction was originally gonna be a Prize Fighter Inferno track, but it fits weirdly well on this record. Idk, these guys are my second favorite band of all time so I'm just kinda bound to enjoy most of their material and personally wouldn't have anything to do with the D tier.
@@elftower907 i think afterman is one of their better albums (IMO From Fear Through the Eyes of Madness is their best). Afterman has amazing storytelling and has a really cohesive theme throughout (loss). Key Entity Extraction 1 is a top 5 Coheed song.
Interestingly, the last time you did a tier list for Coheed, they hadn't really clicked for me and I was struggling to get into them, but since then I've listened to all their albums and have become a fairly big fan. Even though I don't totally agree with your rankings, I can't say I'm overly bothered given your restrictions and reasoning behind their placements. I do think you're being a bit harsh towards Vaxis II, but then I don't think I'm personally as bothered by the poppier elements, I've already listened to the album about 5-6 times and I've found myself enjoying it a lot. I will concede that the proggier tracks, primarily the last 3 are the best on the album and I kinda do wish we had more of that. I'm hoping that Vaxis III leans into a more metal direction, I'd like to see them do something like No World for Tomorrow again with the roaring guitar solos.
To each their own brother, I love to see others thoughts. Personally, Afterman Ascension in D tier is a major disservice. That's the only one I really felt personally attacked on lol Now I could also be biased cause I LOVED the heaviness of NWFT, and felt very let down by YTBR, that I wanted that sound again.
I have yet to listen to Vaxis, so i cant comment on that, but Second Stage hasnt grown on me yet. Im not a fan of the production or vocals, and i feel Silent Earth is just a better produced version. YOTBR and Afterman got me into Coheed, but NWFT has got to be my favorite. If we're going by suites though Good Apollo has the best by far with the Willing Well. Love the guitar, love the vocals, love the story. The Broken and Gravity's Union are two of my favorite songs.
The afterman albums have some of my all time favourite coheed songs, gravity's union is next level. Also maybe controversial but I think the Vaxis albums might be some of Coheed's best work. But it's all amazing stuff isn't it, I love them 👌
The Running Free was originally done for the first Michael Bay Transformers movie but got traded out for the Linkin Park song during post production. The story is, Coheed was seriously considering breaking up until they were approached to do the song for the movie. It didn't get used, but got them recording again. Year of the Black Rainbow is my only D lister. So far Vaxis 2 is a slightly better version of Black Rainbow to me. I don't fault the band for stretching their legs, but I find the albums like BR and V2 to be the least listened to. I'd say have the most tracks skipped, but I'm still listening to V2 a couple more times before I start skipping any of the songs. Sometimes I won't like a song but hear it later when I'm in a different mood and those songs can end up my favorite. I didn't appreciate Lucky Stars the first few times, but it is one of my favorites on V1 now.
@@MetalTrenches Ohh I still listen to it pretty often. It's one of the few CDs I have in my car. I love the ending track. When Skeletons Live is awesome. And as you said, Far is an amazing song. (I will put the disc in just to hear Far and YOTBR sometimes.) It's just the weakest link for me. I'm a big fan so there are no "bad" albums. I just felt that if we were gonna be objective and pick one for the bottom, YTBR is mine. It's still great, just isn't the best. But thanks for encouraging me to keep an open mind and ear. Spoken like a true Coheed fan LOL. ;)
S: In Keeping Secrets of Silent Earth, The Second Stage Turbine Blade A: No World for Tomorrow, From Fear Through the Eyes of Madness B: The Color Before the Sun, Vaxis - Act I: The Unheavenly Creatures C: The Afterman: Ascension, The Afterman: Descension D: Year of the Black Rainbow
I see a lot of ppl hating on year of the black rainbow, but I love the hell outta that album, especially since I was going thru a bad break up, that vinyl is hella expensive
I agree everything except Descension & Year of Black Rainbow. I agree first two Albums are the Superior. Then I’d put Good Apollo IV & Afterman Descension as A records. No world for tomorrow as B. The worst records are def color of the sun & afterman ascension.
Awesome video! Disagree on SSTB and YotBR (I'd rank both lower), but I'm with you on the rest. My personal favorite is IKSSE:3 :D I haven't listened to Vaxis II a whole lot yet so my opinion could change, but I definitely don't think it's as strong as Vaxis I (or most of their other albums).
Interesting opinions! 10)second stage 9)color before the sun 8)vaxis 1 7)vaxis 2 (I love the songs on this but not a huge fan of the dance electro rock sound) 6)color before the sun 5)ascension 4)decension 3)fear through madness 2)silent earth 1)no world for tomorrow
Huge Coheed fan and my personal favorite albums are The Afterman duology. With that in mind, I think in terms of overall quality, The Afterman is in the upper-middle of their discography, I just like it disproportionally. I've gotta give their best album to good Apollo I, followed by The Unheavenly Creatures. The worst is probably The Color Before the Sun with nothing else in its tier, but it's still a solid album.
Hey man, did that website/forum you went to for the coheed lore interpretation happen to be Cobalt and Calcium? If so, i think I remember you on there. I also graduated college with No World for Tomorrow
@@MetalTrenches Yeah man, this was like 2005-ish, we had such a small cool community on there where we theorized about the coheed story. I remember doing a huge fanfic website about my interpretation of the story. Mine had like gundams in it for some reason lol. But yeah, i can’t find them anywhere now. I guess websites just get deleted after awhile, even the cobalt and calcium forum
IN KEEPING SECRETS OF SILENT EARTH 3!!!! Where to start the epic opening track which has thier mist memorable intro (Sorry Welcome Home). To the punk energy on three evils and Cuts that marred. Oh the groove and riffs on the Crowing. Ya the. Ridge in the crowing is super fun when you learn it in the drums. The Camper Valorium trilogy every thing from super he y groovy tracks like “Al The Killer” to Melodic Gems like “Faint Of Hearts” also a great drum jam. The nostalgia I feel furring Favor House. How about the ride that Light And The Glass Takes you on. Starting with that acoustic intro, exploding into the bridge with raw emotion. Then resolving in a very haunting way with the layering in the outro. Finally ending with the police inspired 2113. Also a rush tribute. It’s also a little bit raw I. The production side which helps amplify the emotion of the music
You’re destroying POJ in these tier lists now haha. Haven’t heard the new album. Idk if I’m all that interested given that I’m a casual fan, but that’s an interesting way of listening to them. Never thought of them as another Rush, but I definitely hear it now!
S: Second Stage, Good Apollo Vol 1 A: In Keeping Secret, Good Apollo Vol 2 B: Vaxis 1, Year of the Black Rainbow C: Ascension D: Descension, The Color before the Sun Have yet to hear the new ones
My personal list is close to yours, but a little different: S-TIER: In Keeping Secrets, Good Apollo Vol. 1 A-TIER: Second Stage, Unheavenly Creatures B-TIER: No World For Tomorrow, Vaxis II C-TIER: Descension, Ascension D-TIER: Black Rainbow, Color Before The Sun
@@MetalTrenches It's the questionable mixing and over-produced feel for me. There's definitely some bangers on there, World Of Lines being a personal favorite, and the album is by no means bad, but when stacked against the likes of their first 3, it comes across as a bit hollow.
If I'm in the mood every album is an s tier. Just at work last night I went through most recent 3 albums and it's just so easy to vibe to all their stuff.
A: In Keeping Secrets & Good Apollo I B: Good Apollo II & Window of the Waking Mind C: Afterman 1 & 2 D: Unheavenly Creatures & Second Stage Turbine Blade E: Color before the Sun & Year of the Black Rainbow But really almost everything is S tier except CBTS and YPTBR for me
Pretty much agree 100 percent except ascension would be in C for me and the new album is easily an A. Time will tell if it moves higher after more listens. I fuckin love the poppy and synthwave elements. Reminds me of a polished prize fighter inferno. And those final 3 songs are amazing. I'd swear they were listening to btbam when they wrote some of ladders.
Oh man, you lost me pretty early on, but here’s my rank: 1. Second Stage Turbine Blade 2. In Keeping Secrets of Silent Earth 3 3. Window On the Waking Mind 4. Unheavenly Creatures 5. Afterman Descension 6. Good Apollo I’m Burning Star IV 7. Afterman Ascension 8. Year of the Black Rainbow 9. Color Before the Sun
I think Vaxis 2 is A tier and vaxis 1 is S tier. I think we give their first album too much credit. It's good, but the quality isn't as good as we remember it.
For the longest time Good Apollo IV was my least favorite, I use too think a few songs could have been trimmed out. But now I really enjoy it more than In Keep & Second Stage. The band finally comes into their own and they just sound epic/proggy on this record. 15 tracks is long, but it goes by fast for me when I am listening to it. Vaxis I at the moment is my least favorite. I don't find myself singing along to this album, but I do enjoy what I am hearing.
so maybe its cos i got into coheed during the good appllo albums but i would personally put them both s teir and in keeping and second stage at b teir tops. then again ive always prefered claudio at his most melodic and pop sounding over the harder stuff. i feel like songs like the suffering or pavillion or toys hit better because of his voice and becasue of that the eariler albums dont exacly work for me . they are good but id much rather listen to the great tracks of justice in murder , no world for tomorrow , the telling truth or fear through the eyes of madness then most of the first or second album
Aint no way afterman is that low. Their second best effort in my mind. I would put 9/10 of their albums in A and S honestly and put Black Rainbow in B, I love the band that much
as an avid listener of bands across all genres, especially metal and lady gaga, i'd have offer my condolences to your conscience. i might be inclined to alter my stance on this if you did a face reveal. 2/10.
Color wasn’t a Coheed album. It was all Claudio. And his real life. And the band mates apparently didn’t have anything better to do in life at that time. So they joined in.
Every Coheed album is all Claudio, every Coheed album is about his real life, dude has admitted in interviews that the stories he comes up with for the albums/comics are just analogs and commentaries of his real life, the only difference with Color Behind the Sun is that he didn't use a sci-fi story to represent them.
New album is horrific for the most part. Except for the singles. And a few others. It’s definitely their worst album by far. And their my favorite band by far.
@@ballssquadproductions1003 3rd to last is an imagine dragons song with nice bass, 2nd to last has really annoying guitars but it's alright, and the last track is like a c-tier dear hunter track.
@@ballssquadproductions1003 don't need an excuse, comatose is as close to a banger as it's got and it's meh. I still love coheed and hope the next one is great!
Vaxis I was boring af to me and while Vaxis II was not much different, I actually enjoyed the last track of the album and bits of the other songs. Vaxis I only really has Dark Sentencer that I like, but even then that song feels like a less good version of other coheed songs. Window of the Waking mind had everything I've wanted coheed to do all these years, but it just feels like they've dug deeper into chord chugging anthems that have no substance and it fucking sucks. They used to be my favorite band, but now they're just bland
Coheed is my favorite and yeah this new album is such a disappointment. Even Color Before the Sun to me went harder than Vaxis 2. It's all so poppy and generic. Nothing stood out. Solid tier list though and good video!
Sadly you don't understand music history.... this album is polished and tells the same story as past explorative flavor.... I'd be willing to wager your under 25
@@valeriumasmr1928 I didn't say the album wasn't well made. I said it was disappointing. I dont care about music history I care about how the music sounds and how it makes me feel when I listen to it. This album had little of what I have found in previous coheed albums. I'd be willing to wager that you're a dbag
No a hermit mostly,... but was I wrong...your young right? If I am, i apologize I'm wrong... but you speak in such absolute it's what caught me. Not that I was a hermit In my youth... but I learned the unopeness of youth needed myself to expand my horizon. I also apologize if you took offense. I guess I over reacted to your "disappointment" ...I disagree.
@@MetalTrenches who said that my opinion is more valid then his... he shared his and I shared mine... as I stated on my previous reply.....also if I choose to lecture I should have just as much right to as some who states the album is shot and generic...
I've honestly never liked this band and it's mainly the vocals and when I've seen the band. Like i saw them open for Slipknot on the Subliminal Verses tour and they were just boring compared to what i was there to see.
Claudio is a god. Amongst us mere mortals. Yes his voice is incredibly high. On the first couple albums. His voice drops drastically lower. During Apollo album. And after. And becomes way better sounding grainy and sinister
1. Limiting each tier to 2 albums is dumb. 2. Your thoughts on afterman are really bad. Arguably the best 2 albums ever made 3. Toys on in keeping secrets? Hell no. 4. Vaxis 2 > vaxis 1
1) That would be incredibly boring and 2) I honestly have trouble valuing someone's opinion when they say that EVERYTHING is a 10/10. I have plenty of bands where I love every album, but even with my favorites I think it's useful to consider which ones you like the most and why over the others.
@@MetalTrenches boring maybe, but accurate! I like some more than others but even Coheeds “worst” album is still S tier. Especially in comparison to what most artists and musicians release.
I've considered it but something about RANKING female singers feels different than just sharing my favorites. I'd be more likely to just rank a pool of singers both male and female together.
These takes are always the goofiest. If someone having a different opinion causes you to disengage with them completely, I just think that runs completely counter to the entire idea of discussing art.
You have ABSOLUTELY got to be kidding me! LESS filler on Unheavenly Creatures?? That album is at least 40% killer 60% filler. What a bloated record. It absolutely didn't need to be that long, or have that many songs. To say that either of the Good Apollo albums has "filler" on them is literally the worst take I've ever heard. Those two are easily two of their best nd it's a crime you put SSTB above them. Edit: After looking through the track list of UC again I'd say my ratio was off. There are more good song than bad ones. But there are still 5 out of 15 tracks I would immediately hit the skip button on, so I think that validates my "bloated" opinion.
Here's the thing: It's all subjective. What's "filler" for me may be someone else's favorite tracks. No one is wrong. We just like things differently and that just makes the conversation all the more interesting. I will say this: I relisten to every album again every time I do one of these so I stand by what I have to say insofar as my own personal taste goes. I think most people have snap reactions even though they may not have revisited some of these in like 5+ years.
@@MetalTrenches yeah dude, I understand it's your opinion. I'm just sharing mine as well really. No snap decision here though, I've been listening to Coheed a lot recently which is what made me look this up in the first place. I will say that I understand why Vaxis 2 wasn't really your thing though, since I can imagine it's less "metal-like" than other things in your wheelhouse, and that's totally fine.
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Glad to see you tackled this tier list! Second Stage Turbine is absolutely an S tier and Neverender is an absolute banger of a song.
Always fun to revisit
Vaxis II is almost certainly going to become by favorite Coheed record. I’m not really a metal fan though. My favorite band is Angels and Airwaves and Coheed is probably the heaviest band I listen to on a regular basis. So for me the pop elements are amazing on the new record. But I respect your opinion and am just glad you love this awesome band!!!
Good taste
A Disappearing Act was a complete surprise to me as a long-time Coheed fan and I just love it. It's just such a fun song.
Yeah I think he's totally wrong on the new album
Nice tier list(!), but Vaxis 2 should be S tier, here's why: As a 20 year fan, dude, "Bad Man" irritated me so much I deleted it from the album, but then I couldn't get the "awful" chorus out of my mind and after I thought to myself, "Michael Jackson with an 8-string" (Claudio's words btw), I let go of my ego and embraced it, and now love the techno dance tracks on the album, including the Bad Man chorus (embarrassingly dance to it with my wife and 6yo every night like I did to MJ at that age), and the other songs seem nearly flawless Coheed to me. As you said about thinking "Rush" to naysayers. Perhaps consider 10 albums in needing to bring something different to the table, COVID hit Claudio to have to explore sounds solo, and how this sound could interplay brilliantly with the Vaxis musical arc. So long as the auto-tune is only sprinkled here and there and they continue trying new things, I'm loving it!
GA IV Vol 1 - SSSSSS tier.
It's a perfect album. On all fronts. Every second of it.
The only downside of GA IV Vol 1 is it will be impossible for them to ever eclipse it.
Have to agree with you friend, Its an easy S tier, probably their best work.
Nah. It has alot of filler songs in the middle. The first 3 songs and the last 4 are the delicious meat of the album.
@@josuegarcia6943 agree that the Willing Wells are for sure the tastiest of meats that Coheed ever produced!
But ain't no filler on Good Apollo! Everything for me swells into something that is absolutely greater than the sum of its parts!
Take the drum lick on Mother May I for example, one of the most inventive 4/4 drum licks I've ever heard. Pure tastiness.
But respect your opinion, brother!
Yeah I agree with the S on the first 2 but gonna put this one up there as well.
I agree. Silent Earth was pulling me pretty hard but Good Apollo vol 1 is what made me put a ring on it. 😂
"strange clash between very different styles".
That's literally every Coheed album.
It’s always a mashup of styles, but arguably much more seamless. It’s that “clash” part that I’m having an issue with
I love the afterman albums, theyre the closest to in keeping secrets that coheed has ever gotten back to, its just the quintessential coheed sound and style. Definitely would put them right below the first 3 albums but above no world for tomorrow
I felt almost the same as you about Vaxis II at first. Took less than week to flip. Keep listening. It’s great man!
Big fan of Metal/Prog side of Coheed and usually what I look forward to the most, but I have to say A Disappearing Act has grabbed me so hard. It’s very much a song about the last couple years of COVID and something about that outro gets me on the verge of tears.
Good Apollo 4 will always be their greatest album ever. Perfect album
2nd to IKSSE
Agreed. That was peak coheed for me
This new album is on par with Apollo 4 for me or the closest ive come to enjoying an album as much.
@@Brndn350Z Rise Nainasha feels like its directly out of the Willing Well suite
@@CruzaderKnight yeah, ive had the album on repeat like crazy. I think the reason I like it so much is cause the whole album feels like its the closest we've come to apollo 4. Ladders of Supremacy might just be my favorite track though.
Pretty solid ranking I like the new album a lot more than you did but agree the final 3 are the best by far on the album. Using the 2 per tier rule I would probably rank it:
S: Apollo IV v.1 and In Keeping Secrets
A: Second Stage and Unheavenly Creatures
B: No World for Tomorrow and Window of the Waking Mind
C: Black Rainbow and Color Before the Sun
D: The Afterman Descension and Ascension
Trenches, will you be reviewing the new Porcupine Tree album? Are you a fan, would recommend any of the last five albums as good places to start if curious
Another project I’ve ignored for no good reason. I should probably fix that
Been listening to CoCa since IKSSE:3 and I feel like The story writing on each of The Afterman albums is top notch and for me that lifts them above the originals. But in all honesty, it's hard to pick a bad album, including Vaxis II.
Knowing the story of Afterman makes those tracks so much more enjoyable to listen too. I love those albums so much.
The Afterman are their worst albums by far. I enjoy every other album before and after, besides YOTBR. Fan since 2003
Pretty much spot on with my personal tier list, and glad to see someone else enjoy Vaxis 1 as much as I do! Aside from a couple tracks I find to be filler (Queen of the Dark, True Ugly), this record contains many standout Coheed moments in their whole discog. The three-song run of Dark Sentencer, Unheavenly Creatures and Toys might just be my favorite 3 song run in all their albums (maybe aside from Time Consumer, Devil in NJ, and Everything Evil on SSTB).
If you like the concept album nature of Coheed, listen to The Dear Hunter! They're releasing a new album next week too. Would love to see a tier list of those guys someday, some of their records are among my favorite of all time.
I’ve been a fan since 2003 and have two tattoos from their graphic novels and I love them so much. My love for them has lasted longer than any relationship I’ve been in hahahaha I’ll forever be one among the fence!
The first Afterman is one of my favorites, Holly Wood is a bit goofy but the concept and it being such a short song keeps it fine enough for me. I love the title track, I think it's super cinematic, I love Goodnight Fair Lady's theatricality, I love the pause after he says "the glass smashed." Subtraction was originally gonna be a Prize Fighter Inferno track, but it fits weirdly well on this record. Idk, these guys are my second favorite band of all time so I'm just kinda bound to enjoy most of their material and personally wouldn't have anything to do with the D tier.
We like what we like
Afterman is a b or c
@@elftower907 i think afterman is one of their better albums (IMO From Fear Through the Eyes of Madness is their best). Afterman has amazing storytelling and has a really cohesive theme throughout (loss). Key Entity Extraction 1 is a top 5 Coheed song.
God damn the last 3 tracks of Vaxis II absolutely blew me away
Strong finish
Interestingly, the last time you did a tier list for Coheed, they hadn't really clicked for me and I was struggling to get into them, but since then I've listened to all their albums and have become a fairly big fan. Even though I don't totally agree with your rankings, I can't say I'm overly bothered given your restrictions and reasoning behind their placements. I do think you're being a bit harsh towards Vaxis II, but then I don't think I'm personally as bothered by the poppier elements, I've already listened to the album about 5-6 times and I've found myself enjoying it a lot. I will concede that the proggier tracks, primarily the last 3 are the best on the album and I kinda do wish we had more of that. I'm hoping that Vaxis III leans into a more metal direction, I'd like to see them do something like No World for Tomorrow again with the roaring guitar solos.
To each their own brother, I love to see others thoughts. Personally, Afterman Ascension in D tier is a major disservice. That's the only one I really felt personally attacked on lol
Now I could also be biased cause I LOVED the heaviness of NWFT, and felt very let down by YTBR, that I wanted that sound again.
I have yet to listen to Vaxis, so i cant comment on that, but Second Stage hasnt grown on me yet. Im not a fan of the production or vocals, and i feel Silent Earth is just a better produced version. YOTBR and Afterman got me into Coheed, but NWFT has got to be my favorite. If we're going by suites though Good Apollo has the best by far with the Willing Well. Love the guitar, love the vocals, love the story. The Broken and Gravity's Union are two of my favorite songs.
The afterman albums have some of my all time favourite coheed songs, gravity's union is next level. Also maybe controversial but I think the Vaxis albums might be some of Coheed's best work. But it's all amazing stuff isn't it, I love them 👌
The Pavilion is MONEY!
I’m surprised you haven’t done a The Mars Volta album ranking
Maybe one day. In short Deloused is the best.
The Running Free was originally done for the first Michael Bay Transformers movie but got traded out for the Linkin Park song during post production. The story is, Coheed was seriously considering breaking up until they were approached to do the song for the movie. It didn't get used, but got them recording again. Year of the Black Rainbow is my only D lister. So far Vaxis 2 is a slightly better version of Black Rainbow to me. I don't fault the band for stretching their legs, but I find the albums like BR and V2 to be the least listened to. I'd say have the most tracks skipped, but I'm still listening to V2 a couple more times before I start skipping any of the songs. Sometimes I won't like a song but hear it later when I'm in a different mood and those songs can end up my favorite. I didn't appreciate Lucky Stars the first few times, but it is one of my favorites on V1 now.
I’d say give the Black Rainbow a fresh listen. Thanks for sharing that interesting bit of trivia
@@MetalTrenches Ohh I still listen to it pretty often. It's one of the few CDs I have in my car. I love the ending track. When Skeletons Live is awesome. And as you said, Far is an amazing song. (I will put the disc in just to hear Far and YOTBR sometimes.) It's just the weakest link for me. I'm a big fan so there are no "bad" albums. I just felt that if we were gonna be objective and pick one for the bottom, YTBR is mine. It's still great, just isn't the best. But thanks for encouraging me to keep an open mind and ear. Spoken like a true Coheed fan LOL. ;)
S: IKSOSE3, Apollo IV
A: No world for tomorrow
B: The Aftermen(combined), Vaxis 2
C & D: random tracks from the remaining albums
"In Keeping Secrets..." is my favorite Coheed album!
I’ve been a fan of coheed for almost my whole life. They’re my favorite band. I completely agree with everything in this video
S: In Keeping Secrets of Silent Earth, The Second Stage Turbine Blade
A: No World for Tomorrow, From Fear Through the Eyes of Madness
B: The Color Before the Sun, Vaxis - Act I: The Unheavenly Creatures
C: The Afterman: Ascension, The Afterman: Descension
D: Year of the Black Rainbow
I see a lot of ppl hating on year of the black rainbow, but I love the hell outta that album, especially since I was going thru a bad break up, that vinyl is hella expensive
Vaxis 2 will grow on u I hated this album and after weekend of listing this album is fantastic....great video
I’ve had it for about a month now. But who knows
I agree everything except Descension & Year of Black Rainbow. I agree first two Albums are the Superior. Then I’d put Good Apollo IV & Afterman Descension as A records. No world for tomorrow as B. The worst records are def color of the sun & afterman ascension.
Solid list as always. Any chance of a review and list for the new Darkane? Probably one of the most underrated melodeath bands.
I wasn't really feeling it but I may revisit.
@@MetalTrenches Fair nuff!
Awesome video! Disagree on SSTB and YotBR (I'd rank both lower), but I'm with you on the rest. My personal favorite is IKSSE:3 :D I haven't listened to Vaxis II a whole lot yet so my opinion could change, but I definitely don't think it's as strong as Vaxis I (or most of their other albums).
Im gonna be seeing coheed and cambria with primus in a couple weeks and im really excited
EDIT:the show was great
Interesting opinions!
10)second stage
9)color before the sun
8)vaxis 1
7)vaxis 2 (I love the songs on this but not a huge fan of the dance electro rock sound)
6)color before the sun
5)ascension
4)decension
3)fear through madness
2)silent earth
1)no world for tomorrow
Huge Coheed fan and my personal favorite albums are The Afterman duology. With that in mind, I think in terms of overall quality, The Afterman is in the upper-middle of their discography, I just like it disproportionally.
I've gotta give their best album to good Apollo I, followed by The Unheavenly Creatures. The worst is probably The Color Before the Sun with nothing else in its tier, but it's still a solid album.
Hey man, did that website/forum you went to for the coheed lore interpretation happen to be Cobalt and Calcium? If so, i think I remember you on there. I also graduated college with No World for Tomorrow
YES! That was the one
@@MetalTrenches Yeah man, this was like 2005-ish, we had such a small cool community on there where we theorized about the coheed story. I remember doing a huge fanfic website about my interpretation of the story. Mine had like gundams in it for some reason lol. But yeah, i can’t find them anywhere now. I guess websites just get deleted after awhile, even the cobalt and calcium forum
Coheed is my favourite band! Great videos !!
Great band
IN KEEPING SECRETS OF SILENT EARTH 3!!!!
Where to start the epic opening track which has thier mist memorable intro (Sorry Welcome Home). To the punk energy on three evils and Cuts that marred. Oh the groove and riffs on the Crowing. Ya the. Ridge in the crowing is super fun when you learn it in the drums. The Camper Valorium trilogy every thing from super he y groovy tracks like “Al The Killer” to Melodic Gems like “Faint Of Hearts” also a great drum jam. The nostalgia I feel furring Favor House. How about the ride that Light And The Glass Takes you on. Starting with that acoustic intro, exploding into the bridge with raw emotion. Then resolving in a very haunting way with the layering in the outro. Finally ending with the police inspired 2113. Also a rush tribute.
It’s also a little bit raw I. The production side which helps amplify the emotion of the music
You’re destroying POJ in these tier lists now haha. Haven’t heard the new album. Idk if I’m all that interested given that I’m a casual fan, but that’s an interesting way of listening to them. Never thought of them as another Rush, but I definitely hear it now!
Worth checking out but moreso revisiting some of the top picks here with that mindset.
If you’re a casual fan. Definitely stay away from this one. Go listen to Good Apollo 4. And their other albums. The other ones are incredible
Absolutely nothing like Rush. Other than being a Prog band.
@@Stormshadow612-n8g Yeah, I previewed the songs. Not interested lol
Definitely a Coheed fan, but the early albums definitely hit the spot. Right time, right place scenario
S: Second Stage, Good Apollo Vol 1
A: In Keeping Secret, Good Apollo Vol 2
B: Vaxis 1, Year of the Black Rainbow
C: Ascension
D: Descension, The Color before the Sun
Have yet to hear the new ones
My personal list is close to yours, but a little different:
S-TIER: In Keeping Secrets, Good Apollo Vol. 1
A-TIER: Second Stage, Unheavenly Creatures
B-TIER: No World For Tomorrow, Vaxis II
C-TIER: Descension, Ascension
D-TIER: Black Rainbow, Color Before The Sun
Surprised to see Black Rainbow so low
@@MetalTrenches It's the questionable mixing and over-produced feel for me. There's definitely some bangers on there, World Of Lines being a personal favorite, and the album is by no means bad, but when stacked against the likes of their first 3, it comes across as a bit hollow.
If I'm in the mood every album is an s tier. Just at work last night I went through most recent 3 albums and it's just so easy to vibe to all their stuff.
Wouldn't make for a very fun video though
I feel like gravity’s union is like the crowing 2,they both have similar song elements and they both crank up to 11 for the last parts.
Afterman as a whole is S+++ tier. I’ve listened to coheed for 20 years. I respect your list though. Hope you continue to support the band. 👍
Always
I could never make a tier list for coheed, every album is special to me in its own way, for me every album would be S tier. One Among the Fence
That's precisely what makes them a fun challenge to do it with
A: In Keeping Secrets & Good Apollo I
B: Good Apollo II & Window of the Waking Mind
C: Afterman 1 & 2
D: Unheavenly Creatures & Second Stage Turbine Blade
E: Color before the Sun & Year of the Black Rainbow
But really almost everything is S tier except CBTS and YPTBR for me
Pretty much agree 100 percent except ascension would be in C for me and the new album is easily an A. Time will tell if it moves higher after more listens. I fuckin love the poppy and synthwave elements. Reminds me of a polished prize fighter inferno. And those final 3 songs are amazing. I'd swear they were listening to btbam when they wrote some of ladders.
Review Alexisonfire Otherness please
Both Afterman albums have some amazing tracks! They’re both A tier for me. YoTBR is much lower on my list, right in front of the Color Before the Sun.
I agree, I love the aftermans and they mark my return to coheed after being a bit disappointed by NWFT and really not impressed by Black Rainbow.
Oh man, you lost me pretty early on, but here’s my rank:
1. Second Stage Turbine Blade
2. In Keeping Secrets of Silent Earth 3
3. Window On the Waking Mind
4. Unheavenly Creatures
5. Afterman Descension
6. Good Apollo I’m Burning Star IV
7. Afterman Ascension
8. Year of the Black Rainbow
9. Color Before the Sun
I love every single album. But if i had to choose an album i like the least its the year of the black rainbow
"No World For Tomorrow" features the late great Taylor Hawkins on drums. Chris Pennie had joined the band but couldn't play on the album.
RIP
Both aftermans in S. First two records in A. Otherwise agree with list. Nice shirt btw!
Thanks. BTBAM life
vaxis 2 now a days I love it more and more. I also think colors before the sun and the documentary was so dam good
Yea. This fits.
Second Stage Turbine blade is best album eeeezzeee
I think Vaxis 2 is A tier and vaxis 1 is S tier. I think we give their first album too much credit. It's good, but the quality isn't as good as we remember it.
Still as good to me every time I come back to it. I always relisten before making a new video to avoid nostalgia glasses
A Disappearing Act gave me vibes of Claudio singing on a Killers Track, I was turned off almost immediately
For the longest time Good Apollo IV was my least favorite, I use too think a few songs could have been trimmed out. But now I really enjoy it more than In Keep & Second Stage. The band finally comes into their own and they just sound epic/proggy on this record. 15 tracks is long, but it goes by fast for me when I am listening to it.
Vaxis I at the moment is my least favorite. I don't find myself singing along to this album, but I do enjoy what I am hearing.
Thank you, someone who finally can criticize the discoy poppy maroon 5/lady Gaga garbage they put out. It's SOOOO bad
People who can’t criticize the bands they love are boring Stans imo
so maybe its cos i got into coheed during the good appllo albums but i would personally put them both s teir and in keeping and second stage at b teir tops. then again ive always prefered claudio at his most melodic and pop sounding over the harder stuff. i feel like songs like the suffering or pavillion or toys hit better because of his voice and becasue of that the eariler albums dont exacly work for me .
they are good but id much rather listen to the great tracks of justice in murder , no world for tomorrow , the telling truth or fear through the eyes of madness then most of the first or second album
Aint no way afterman is that low. Their second best effort in my mind. I would put 9/10 of their albums in A and S honestly and put Black Rainbow in B, I love the band that much
as an avid listener of bands across all genres, especially metal and lady gaga, i'd have offer my condolences to your conscience. i might be inclined to alter my stance on this if you did a face reveal. 2/10.
I too listen to all genres
in what universe
The ego on some people 🙄 I expect this from Tool fans, not Coheed fans.
@@MetalTrenches Just so I'm clear, it's egotistical to disagree?
Color wasn’t a Coheed album. It was all Claudio. And his real life. And the band mates apparently didn’t have anything better to do in life at that time. So they joined in.
All of the albums are his real life. Just think about it.
Every Coheed album is all Claudio, every Coheed album is about his real life, dude has admitted in interviews that the stories he comes up with for the albums/comics are just analogs and commentaries of his real life, the only difference with Color Behind the Sun is that he didn't use a sci-fi story to represent them.
Decension is straight fire 🔥 has to be out higher
New WEREWOLVES album dropped🤘🐺
Btw... love COHEED
IV is S-tier imma fight you
🤜 🤛
DARKANE dropped 🤯🤯🤯
Vaxis 2 is easily A or if not S tier.
New album is horrific for the most part. Except for the singles. And a few others. It’s definitely their worst album by far. And their my favorite band by far.
I see where you are coming from but you have to agree that the last three songs are amazing
@@ballssquadproductions1003 3rd to last is an imagine dragons song with nice bass, 2nd to last has really annoying guitars but it's alright, and the last track is like a c-tier dear hunter track.
@@shadyacr you have no clue what your talking about haha you just want excuses to not like it 😂
@@ballssquadproductions1003 don't need an excuse, comatose is as close to
a banger as it's got and it's meh. I still love coheed and hope the next one is great!
In keeping secrets of silent earth: 3 was the best
Vaxis I was boring af to me and while Vaxis II was not much different, I actually enjoyed the last track of the album and bits of the other songs. Vaxis I only really has Dark Sentencer that I like, but even then that song feels like a less good version of other coheed songs. Window of the Waking mind had everything I've wanted coheed to do all these years, but it just feels like they've dug deeper into chord chugging anthems that have no substance and it fucking sucks. They used to be my favorite band, but now they're just bland
Might be worth a revisit if it’s been a while
Yeah, the Lady Gaga thing, that’s exactly what I’ve been saying. No thanks.
Coheed is my favorite and yeah this new album is such a disappointment. Even Color Before the Sun to me went harder than Vaxis 2. It's all so poppy and generic. Nothing stood out. Solid tier list though and good video!
Sadly you don't understand music history.... this album is polished and tells the same story as past explorative flavor.... I'd be willing to wager your under 25
@@valeriumasmr1928 I didn't say the album wasn't well made. I said it was disappointing. I dont care about music history I care about how the music sounds and how it makes me feel when I listen to it. This album had little of what I have found in previous coheed albums. I'd be willing to wager that you're a dbag
No a hermit mostly,... but was I wrong...your young right? If I am, i apologize I'm wrong... but you speak in such absolute it's what caught me. Not that I was a hermit In my youth... but I learned the unopeness of youth needed myself to expand my horizon. I also apologize if you took offense. I guess I over reacted to your "disappointment" ...I disagree.
Dude, don’t lecture people on what they should like. Your opinion is no more valid than anyone else’s. Art is almost entirely subjective.
@@MetalTrenches who said that my opinion is more valid then his... he shared his and I shared mine... as I stated on my previous reply.....also if I choose to lecture I should have just as much right to as some who states the album is shot and generic...
I've honestly never liked this band and it's mainly the vocals and when I've seen the band. Like i saw them open for Slipknot on the Subliminal Verses tour and they were just boring compared to what i was there to see.
I used to feel the same way, but keep giving them a try with that Rush reference point. They might grow on you.
I just could never get past the vocals......
Claudio is a god. Amongst us mere mortals. Yes his voice is incredibly high. On the first couple albums. His voice drops drastically lower. During Apollo album. And after. And becomes way better sounding grainy and sinister
Yeah man
Switch second stage turbine blade and good Apollo burning star 4 through the eyes of madness. There, better.
1. Limiting each tier to 2 albums is dumb. 2. Your thoughts on afterman are really bad. Arguably the best 2 albums ever made 3. Toys on in keeping secrets? Hell no. 4. Vaxis 2 > vaxis 1
Bruh you got it all wrong. Every album is S tier
1) That would be incredibly boring and 2) I honestly have trouble valuing someone's opinion when they say that EVERYTHING is a 10/10. I have plenty of bands where I love every album, but even with my favorites I think it's useful to consider which ones you like the most and why over the others.
@@MetalTrenches boring maybe, but accurate! I like some more than others but even Coheeds “worst” album is still S tier. Especially in comparison to what most artists and musicians release.
Did you not watch the video?
Can you rank female metal singers sometime?
I've considered it but something about RANKING female singers feels different than just sharing my favorites. I'd be more likely to just rank a pool of singers both male and female together.
as soon as you put afterman in the D tier I closed the video. giant nope. afterman is right up there with the originals in my view
These takes are always the goofiest. If someone having a different opinion causes you to disengage with them completely, I just think that runs completely counter to the entire idea of discussing art.
You have ABSOLUTELY got to be kidding me! LESS filler on Unheavenly Creatures?? That album is at least 40% killer 60% filler. What a bloated record. It absolutely didn't need to be that long, or have that many songs. To say that either of the Good Apollo albums has "filler" on them is literally the worst take I've ever heard. Those two are easily two of their best nd it's a crime you put SSTB above them.
Edit: After looking through the track list of UC again I'd say my ratio was off. There are more good song than bad ones. But there are still 5 out of 15 tracks I would immediately hit the skip button on, so I think that validates my "bloated" opinion.
Here's the thing: It's all subjective. What's "filler" for me may be someone else's favorite tracks. No one is wrong. We just like things differently and that just makes the conversation all the more interesting. I will say this: I relisten to every album again every time I do one of these so I stand by what I have to say insofar as my own personal taste goes. I think most people have snap reactions even though they may not have revisited some of these in like 5+ years.
@@MetalTrenches yeah dude, I understand it's your opinion. I'm just sharing mine as well really. No snap decision here though, I've been listening to Coheed a lot recently which is what made me look this up in the first place. I will say that I understand why Vaxis 2 wasn't really your thing though, since I can imagine it's less "metal-like" than other things in your wheelhouse, and that's totally fine.
Ur way wrong in my opinion but it’s ur decision and the afterman albums are some of the best not the best some of the best
There is no wrong, only personal taste
Coheed and Cambria is so much better than Rush
That’s a HOT take but I’m not sure I disagree
I don't see how anyone can enjoy any album after 4. It just gets so mainstream and poppy. It's like they want to be maroon five now.
Hehehehe lady gaga.