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Athena GET, Vortex ECU, ECU reflash, euro map, stock ECU, Dobeck EJK tech talk
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- Опубликовано: 14 авг 2019
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UPDATE - as of the fall of 2019 KTM has retired the XC1 dealer programming tool which allowed for out of vin ecu flashing (euromap) and the XC2 doesn’t allow for it. If you have a preciously unlocked ecu you can still have it reflashed, but if yours has the US map the door has closed on that option.
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Can’t believe how honest this guy is ! He’s not trying to steal your money ! Just providing a fix for the emission bullshit we live by here in California . Thanks man for your honesty and time . Definitely getting my get .
EXCELLENT video. Direct, to the point, well organized, very informative!!!!!!!!!.........no rambling,mumbling,stumbling like most people do.
Hi, Mike. I've done some homework and watched this video again. You're a great educator. Thank you for your work.
As someone who is upgrading my ECU in the next few months, this is a damn damn damn good video. Precise, informative, technical, to the point, no jibber jabber and really not biased towards any one upgrade. Not everybody needs a Get but i am sure Getting one. See what i did there. You will hear from me shortly.
Thanks for watching and when you’re ready I’ll be as well😎
I’m a little late to the party but this is fantastic info. Just picked up a bone stock ‘16 FE501s and am looking to make it run like it should.
Great Information. I do not own any KTM's (There great bikes). This video is great explanation for the different choices I have on my 2019 CRF450R. Anyone with EFI bike should watch this to help them understand how to customize there bike to there liking and at there ability.
I use the VORTEX on my 500 and the GET on my 300 couldn't be happier with both. I also switched to the GET fuel injection on my 300 and love it.
Great info! Just what I have been looking for to help understand the differences between them and the advantages of each to upgrade my EXC-F 500.
dj regas glad to be of service
@@TACOMOTOCO I have just placed my order for the 2021 500 exc f six days... please keep on keeping on with finding "true" performance upgrades!
Just bought the Vortex from you and very impressed took it for a few laps and it’s a huge improvement. 🤙
Great, at 38:54 you completely talked me into getting the most expensive option ECU wise. But with a background in tuning stand-alone ECU's for cars, you're speaking my language... I'll be calling you up as I get a credit card the wife doesn't know about... Thank you for a very informative video!
I’d like to hear what you think of it after you’ve got some miles on it!
@@TACOMOTOCO The combo of the GET and the Promoto billet end cap is amazing! Complete monster when you have the traction to put the power down! I thought it would be a little louder and I'm glad it's not. It's an awesome throaty sound without being ridiculous and to have the power without being too loud is cool. I wish I could have done an actual back to back comparison but I had sent my suspension off to Kreft before I ordered the ECU and end cap. So I had 3 or 4 weeks between riding on the stock ECU/suspension and GET/end cap/new suspension. I couldn't be happier, thanks again Mike!
TPS PERFORMANCE in mornington Victoria Australia have been very successful in reflashing the ecu on ktm/husky 2strokes tpi engines
KTM map switch has two maps that have nothing common with the traction control. TC can be switched on off regardless of the map selected
I did the vortex on my 17 excf 450. Really opened it up. Like night and day. And I fully submerged my 17 last year. Still works great.
What a Fantastic Technical video and super knowledgeable narration! Bravo! and thank you for your efforts!
Thank you for all your effort for us guys to learn more.
Anything for the braaaaaap
Awesome break down, thanks guys. Just bought my first KTM. Looking forward to upgrading, cause the 24 500excf is pretty anemic.. lol
So for the guys who are riding a dinosaur like me(2013 500 XC-W). Another alternative is the Dynojet PCV (5) It is kinda in between a piggyback and a new ECU. It installed like a piggyback but allows you to change fuel and ignition at numerous poins on a throttle position and RPM graph. It is definitely for the guy who likes to tinker or has access to a dyno, because the number of pre compiled maps isn't great. I chose to run an O2 sensor and map switch on my setup. You can run both, one or the other, or neither, depending on your preference. Having said all that I like the Dynojet but if the GET ECU was an option for the 12 to 17 500's I would be tempted to check it out for the simplicity of not having to run all the piggy back plugs.
I've been tossing around the idea of putting an ecu on my crf and this video made up my mind. I live in southern arizona so I ride everything from low hot desert to alpine forest mountains. The ecu will will allow me to tune my fuel injected bike to run great in the many different altitudes and conditions I find myself in. I'm still not sure if I will go with the vortex or the get but I'm convinced that aftermarket ecu is the way to go. Thanks for a great informative video🇺🇲👍🇺🇲
Ugh!!! Lol do I want vortex so I have more maps to work with or get so I have t/c and ability to make changes through data link? Side note I run a completely stock crf250r. No aftermarket exhaust or anything. I'm strictly adding an ecu to optimize the performance and potential my bike has in stock form. 🤔
@@jondoe4667 did you end up getting a vortex or get?
26:32 somebody likes spaceballs!
looking forward to the next comparison video
I'm ready to pull the trigger on an upgrade
a wealth of information - thank you for sharing
Thanks for checking us out mate
Man Mike, this is great! Thank you!
Awesome vid mike as always.
Nerd! ...and I love it! Killer video!
Hey mate. Great video. Have you heard of TSP here in Australia. Just bought & installed their power kit & got my original ECU remapped by them. My 2018 ktm 300 exc has never run better. So crisp now in the lower revs. No more spluttering
Yes I have. It’s a good option for someone looking to keep their stock ecu and run one map. You’re lucky to have it there in country
Really great video, so much great info
just bought a new KTM 500 EXC and this guy cleared up so many questions.
I know where I will be getting my bike parts from!
thanks again.
Muito interessante, tenho uma replica SXF 350 A.Cairolli, 2011, no Brasil, e ninguem aqui reconfigura ECU, de forma que recentemente adiquiri um GET ECU basic, com 2 mapas, e fiquei impressionado com a mesma, como voce disse agora só faltam os sinos, mas não sei se o WIFI e controle de tração é aceito no Basica, pois parece que só apos 2017. MUITO bOM bROTHER .
Vortex, on my Honda now has a proper traction control, not just map switch. Activated and deactivated by the start button. I have tested it and it works very well on slippery surfaces. Not sure if it is available on KTM Vortex models.
Awesome video man 👍🏾im thinking about re flashing 📸 my stock 2016 XSF 450 ECU, with the stock map 1 and 2 switch hopefully that will do the trick.
I have a UST. I don’t think it’ll work on these cuz they’re locked. UST is the Shit I mapped my 16 350xcf. Now more flameouts and the accelerator pump feature really woke her up
Thanks very much for this you are awesome!
Great vídeo !!!!!
Fantastic video!! Thank you for the excellent info!
I trust you more since your bikes are filthy in the background 😉
Amen!
are you Belgian?
Hello Mike. I have been shopping for a used 2016-ish KTM 500 EXC-F and have therefore been schooling myself up on the bike and already learned very much from your videos. Furthermore, you're an excellent teacher and speaker, not to mention your sincerity and wealth of knowledge!
Matter of fact, tomorrow I am going to look at a 2017 500 that comes with a Vortex ECU. (Also been uncorked and desmogged.) But the Vortex is one of the things that appealed to me about this bike. I fully expect it to run well when I take it for a test ride, but if I buy the bike, I wonder how I can know if the ECU has been tuned and properly configured for this bike? Thanks if you can point me in the right direction.
TPIs dont need more fuel they need different injection timing.
They inject on the piston down stroke so most of the fuel goes straight up the t ports and the whole bottom end doesnt get any fuel cooling.
It gets oil ok but that doesnt cool the crank and rod and piston like a carb engine does.
Parts that run hot are more prone to failure no matter how much oil they are getting.
Ive retimed my TPI to inject 5 degrees after bottom dead center and obviously removed the oil injection system and use premix.
Question , I’m guessing the 02 sensor is now dead weight ? Ecm will no longer need its input to calculate air to fuel mixture ? It will now use pre Proggramed map and the barometric pressure sensor for elevation changes correct ? I wish the o2 sensor was still used for the aging of the parts , like less fuel pressure or dirty injectors over time . The 02 has a lot of benefits .
So my 2024 six days 500 came with the handlebar TC Map switch As far as I can tell it does nothing but lights up. does it connect to this aftermarket vortex or is it down stream of the Vortex. Also If I buy the vortex and select it to the #1 map setting will the switch be able to give me another map and what designates what the switch does.
How does the GPA dynamic traction control work without any wheel speed sensor on the map 2 setting for the 2022 KTM 500 EXC-F 4-stroke RX1 PRO, and is map 1 setting still full power and map 2 setting still soft power?
There is so little information about the get rx1 ecu, there is no pin out of the connector?
It seems like this ecu can do quick shift? If you wanna do that what pins is it wired to? Is it only compatible with digital switch or can an analog load cell be used?
Please advice.
Good Stuff Mike!!
Great video. The one problem I have with the GET on a 2019 FE501 is, it disables the stock kill switch. Still waiting on an update from athena on that.
We use the Sicass Racing combo switch as a work around.
@@TACOMOTOCO At this point what is another $50 right. I would rather not upgrade my switch but i presume if i didn't upgrade that when the update comes you can just change it via the Wifi correct?
Yet again no mention of PCV, which allows infinite user adjustment of fuel and timing. I can’t figure out why these are always overlooked while lesser capable units like the JD tuner are praised, and “plug and pray” ore programmed ecu that cost 4x as much get tons more attention. Oh well, I’m happy as a clam with mine, and i like that it will grow with my bike as mods come and go.
Yamaha switched to Vortex - check 2021 race bike vids
I saw somewhere that enriching the fuel will let the rest burn in the catalytic converter and fry it. And that enriching will keep the catalytic converter from getting up to working temp while it just smolders under a lot of fuel and prematurely wears out out. Any truth to that? That said, I am looking for the best way to get rid of off throttle lag and still stay legal on a 701. And not be loud. I know that's a stretch. Is why I was wondering.
Doebeck EJK is all I need
Def a good choice
i like your informative videos thanks for sharing i have a 2019 350 exc with only the end cap changed will it lean out my bike further should i worry about valves doing this bike has 65 hrs thankyou
My 2020 450 has a stock box and has traction control, and the 2 maps
The SXF, xcf and xcfw’s have this. We aren’t very impressed with it nor are the magazines. I think ktm had an opportunity to have done something as good as what Honda is up to with the maps and TC in the 250/450 crf’s.
Sadly ktm is a swing and a miss here.
KTM spends a ton of time mapping their bikes and it shows. The maps and tc functions are both top notch.
Is it possible to take a XCW Ecu and put it on a exc bike
yes
seems i was totally stopped for beta RR 4s . any news ? Boano used to sell but now impossible to find
Just picked up a 2020 FE350S and was thinking the Vortex is what I want when I remove the reed cage and add a new end cap. How does one know where to start with the settings on the Vortex?
Shoot us a call and we’ll walk you through it. 702-812-6626
I bought my first dirt bike in 2016, a KTM 500 EXC, and unfortunately fell for everything! I have no idea why myself or anyone else believe we need more power out of these bikes. I'll never in my life be a good enough rider to take advantage of even the stock power of the bike. I wish someone told me at the start to invest the money I spent on power upgrades on suspension, that's where the true improvement comes from.
Hopefully our vids help guys spend the right money on the right things
Is the GET map 1 capable of traction control knobs or just map 2?
Putting my GET Race kit ECU on today. you should do an istall video when you get a chance.
Great info., Mike. I'm wondering why the 02 sensor won't compensate minor changes like reed removal and aftermarket muffler?
Think of this like a thermostat on your A.C. system. It came pre programmed from the manufacturer to operate in a range from 70-75 deg. It will self adjust in that range.
But you have parties in your house with all the people and beer pong going on it gets to be almost 85 in there, the T-stat is indicating it’s 85 and yelling at the A.C. unit to cool more but it ain’t gonna do it.
Mods on your bike are the party and the map in your ecu is the 5 deg spread.
If you could change the map you could party.
But if you can’t you install a piggy back tuner or a new ecu.
Thank you for answering that question, Mike. It seems the 02 sensor on the head pipe would be able to make the force the ECU to adjust air -fuel to maintain a consistent and correct ratio especially with these minor flow changes. Otherwise it's just a very expensive worthless piece of junk.
If you opt in for the switch with the vortex, do you need to turn off the bike before switching between maps?
so the get ecu seems to be the best choice if you built a pro level engine and needed to tune the bike to get it to run right, but with other features?
“But with other features”
Sorry, not sure I know what your mean
Great video. I have a 2019 ktm excf 450 and stock it’s plenty of power for me on dirt and even on sand. I’m installing a timbersled on it this weekend and am worried it might need more power. Looking into ecu options. U think it’s necessary or can I get away with it on snow stock? Curious about your opinion. Gonna test it in a few days.
Would I get much improvement for my 350 excf 2020 europe model ?
Will it fix flam out on the 22 ktm 350 xcf
Very informative. So to reduce flameouts only which reflash would you recommend. Not looking to add adjustability just looking to reduce low rpm flameouts
First make sure your idle is set to 1800-1900 rpm per owners manual. That fixes it for a ton of guys. Next would be to increase the fueling a few percentage points in the low throttle angle range. Is your exhaust still stock or has it been modified.
@@TACOMOTOCO stock exhaust. I set my idle to @ 2k. 13 tooth primary gear. Yes I'm thinking it needs a little more fuel down low
Where do you send it off to have in remaped
Can one get the programming software/cable for the GET Athena like you can for the Vortex if you want to make your own maps? How much is it?
Do you have an opinion on the stock ecu reflash from blais racing? They claim $99 for a reflash. Looking to increase performance with this an endcap at first and maybe add some more from there. Dont have any need to adjust myself as long as it runs fairly well.
Chris does a great job and if your ecu can be reflashed I can def recommend that
Informative video and very well done thank you. So I have a 2020 KTM 500 EXC coming soon. I want to make sure I understand that for an additional $50 above the vortex I’m getting a faster processor which I understand… But I’m not sure what the advantage of the barometric pressure sensor is can you explain that again please thank you
DezRider check out bestdualsportbikes.com upgrades made a huge difference on my 2020 ktm 500 XCF W
What is the link to your dyno test video you mentioned here?
man i need this for my 2021 350 excf
Thoughts on the TSP kits? They seem to have the best price point for what you get, no?
What’s a TSP kit?
@@TACOMOTOCO Two Stroke Performance sells a reflashed ECU and low/med/high comp head kit for about $534.
From our experience and from what the magazine testers all report there’s some good options out there with the GET always coming out as the best.
So if I put a full exhaust on my bike ('19 SMC R) and upgraded to a performance airbox (and made any mods that make the bike run leaner), then I could install the EJK and just increase the fuel delivery to accommodate? Is it possible to tune it at least somewhere close to the optimal settings as an amateur? At least close enough to prevent damage to the engine?
Thanks for your informative video!
i don't know why you couldn't. for what it's worth the ejk is a bit safer being fuel control only. if it were me i'd put a little 100 octane on top of some pump gas for safety, in case you try a setting a bit lean it will help protect you from melting stuff, and just go out and try stuff, one change at a time obviously, and see what feels best. its your bike your the expert on it i'm sure you can probably find what your looking for with some careful farting around with it.
I have a 2018 KTM 350EXCF. I would like to desmog and then remove the air filter reed & exhaust screen. Would I be okay with the EJK tuner or do I need to go with the vortex? What would you think if you were in my shoes. Hard to justify the $700 if I’d be okay with the $200
Can’t go wrong with either one. Both are solid choices. Try the EJK and see what you think, if it feels lacking then you can always sell it and upgrade to the vortex. Call me Monday, I think I have a demo tuner for your bike
HoboMoped awesome!! Will do. Thank you.
Hi there
First of all, I must admit this is an excellent video!
However, here is some unusual question, I got KTM 500 EXC - 2014 for a really good price, however after a few rides I realized that this thing very hard to control for me. I not a pro rider and my rides usually single tracks and technical trails.
Here is the question: What would be the best way to reduce the power of "500 EXC" to make it more suitable to single tracks?
Is there a way to make it easy to ride some kind of traction control that you have mentioned in this video?
That’s not an unusual request at all. In fact I have the same desire for my 500. I want it to be Ann all kit race bike sometimes and a reliable trackable single track bike. I have that spread of performance with the GET ecu and the traction control knob.
tacomoto.co/products/get-rx1-pro-ecu-upgrade-2017-2019-ktm-500-exc-2017-2019-husqvarna-501-fe
Euro map: He says too lean up top, too lean with some mods, same thing he says about the TPS hack. Sure sounds a lot like the TPS hack is a free euro tune. Might work well without mods or with mild mods...
If I just want to add a slip on FMF 4.1 and remove emissions, do you think an EJK will suffice for keeping the bike from being too lean? Or would it be worth the $700 for the vortex?
I own a stock 2017 FE 501
a piggyback gets it done all day long.
@@TACOMOTOCO Thanks! Any idea what kind of HP gain the slip on can make with the piggyback?
You will reliably see a 20-25% power gain
If I buy the rx1 can I use my stock ktm map switch to access the enduro map
You’d have to source a connector compatible w the GET and wire it in. Not sure why you’d want to bother since the PRO kit comes w one.
It's been quite a while but I sent my stock 2018 KTM 500 EXC-F ECU to Blais racing - paid $79 for bench test and they sent it back telling me it was locked starting in 2017. Can you please provide a contact that can reprogram a stock ECU? THANKS!
He’s no longer doing it
So does the GET make box’s for ltr 450
Yeps👌🏽🤘🏽
@@TACOMOTOCO well fuck I just ordered the vortex man lol
So can you get me the get price maby I’ll cancel the order on my vortex
tacomoto.co/products/athena-get-rx1-pro-ecu-4-stroke-bikes
I’ve never seen they SC logo before. Lol
Does the 2020 XCF-W stock map switch and traction control switch work with the Vortex or Athena ECU?
Works w the vortex because it’s tc like the stock ecu is single mode on/off.
The get varies the to between an influence rate of 1-10, so no on that one.
@@TACOMOTOCO Thank you. That is super helpful.
Still sounds like the GET product is the most sophisticated and probably better for little difference in price.
What puzzles me is that, do these ECU controlled bikes have built in CDI in the ECU or how does it produce the high voltage for the ignition coil since the coil is the same coil from 1996 KTM? ECU and CDI don't go well together because of how much noise and interference CDI produces in the system (as far as I know) so I just don't understand how it works without COP. My knowledge of electrics isn't that great.
In the FI bikes the ignition control is handled by ecu
@@TACOMOTOCO I get it now, I just got myself really confused after reading too much about ignition systems.
Do you have a vortex for a 2020 husqvarna fx450?
Contact the office at info@tacomoto.co
Euro map gets terrible fuel economy. Like 40 miles max on a full tank
That map for most riders will net 40-50mpg from modest throttle riding
PC5 with autotune?
Please get back to me I would like to do business with you I possibly would like to get the get with all the bells and whistles I'm interested
tacomoto.co
Anyone in Canada that can flash ecu or at least in USA. Thanks.
No one in Canada i know of. Twisted development, xpr, and tokyomods are the main 3 people use in the USA. I just bought a vortex from twisted
Bro sell me the ejk
Great video.
Check out bestdualsportbikes.com fuel programmer and their power bundle kit. 70 hp on Dyno runs. Very impressed after installing it on my 2020 ktm xcf w.
Mmmm, ya, about that claim.
No 500 is making 70hp on 91 pump gas on a stock piston and stock cams running a Dobeck EJK fuel tuner. That’s not real. Not even close.
And the stock bike doesn’t make anywhere near the claimed base power. Not even close either.
No respected power development tuner is coming in anywhere near these claimed numbers with their testing - and yet all these respected tuners are coming in relatively close with their numbers. Go figure.
Everyone is getting about 42-43 from a stock bike and HP Racing Development - one of the most respected and highly regarded tuner and engine builder with multiple engines this year in super cross has been able to get about 56 out of a stock internals 500 managed by a custom tuned race GET ECU and an akropovoc slip on.
I WISH 70 was possible from this engine without pouring a TON of money into it to the tune of multiple thousands - but it’s not - and no amount of false claims will make that so.
ruclips.net/video/_tQ5zQmMPGI/видео.html
Here it is, Dyno 70hp
Stock 2020 KTM 500 is 53 hp.
ruclips.net/video/X1N9w5avqyc/видео.html
KH fuel Programmer tested.
ruclips.net/video/zPWBtoEhQMY/видео.html
@@randygenet251 mmmm, yea, i seen it - but i don't believe it. we dyno testing with third party shops and the numbers don't match those. stock 20' 500's don't make 53. dyno charts can be just like a corporations P&L statement. what exactly do you 'need' it to say, and i'll get it for you.
I wish my RL was carbureted..... 5 dollar jet or $1000 ECU.....