aftermarket support, heritage, etc. VW GTI easily.... Elantra is nice but nice try Hyundai LMFAO! with all your engine recalls etc! yea Hyundai and KIA! NEVER EVER!
This one is a clean format from a respected company, but several channels have done similar things, here we have a pro driver, doing lap times on 4 cars in this price range (Results near the end, spoiler alert: wildly different results than we see here) ruclips.net/video/o2yJbpxVgTA/видео.html
Type R owner here. I've seen both of these cars extensively at auto cross events. The Elantra N has been objectively faster than the GTI around any course I've been to over the summer. This seems off.
Elantra N owner here. Just want to thank on behalf of all N car owners ! Your statement carries allot of credibility since you've raced so much. Something was a miss in this race. Have a good day. Fan of the Type R as well ! Cheers 🍻
I don't like how the cameras swap while racing , the way that gti just made up for the 3 car gapping it got from the EN at the start and took the win even though the N has the way better electronic differential.......bit suspicious.
I have to admit, I’m surprised. I did expect it to be close, but still thought the Elantra would take it. I think a lot of people underestimate the GTI.
I'm not a fan of the design of the new Sonata and Elantra, but for some reason, I'm digging the N. I think it's the blacked out front and aggressive fascia.
These are great. Im so sick of the straight line drags which really just highlights - launch control. this highlights the actual cars performance much better, but still with the excitement of a drag.
It's easy to think that the GTI wouldn't perform well because it looks so similar to all the prior ones. They definitely did more for the Mk8 chassis than it appears.
Im in a 2024 gti 380se. Im coming from a 23 wrx and the gti really blows the wrx away. I didnt plan on getting t boned and having to get a new car but Im actually glad I didnt get another wrx. silver linings
@@elgoogkcuf When I test drove the GTI and WRX, I actually found them to feel quite similar. I ended up with the WRX though. The AWD, physical e brake and other physical buttons basically sold me on the WRX. I do hope you enjoy the GTI, sad to see there won't be a manual option for them anymore 😞
@@blevin569 Was it the system or was it the operator? The 1st race, the guy ran wide in the turn and he admitted he had it in the wrong gear pulling out of the turn. The 2nd race the guy screwed up the launch. The GTI is definitely a more refined daily driver with a little bit of weekend spirit but the Elantra is faster and lighter. There's no reason it shouldn't have beat the GTI. I'm calling shenanigans.
@@LordHolley Yeah, a couple of channels have done drag races and drag and rolls and the EN dominated the GTI. I know this is different with the U drag, but still in all the other ones it was clear within seconds the EN had more power, and these guys even said what 'should happen' but it didn't. But I think this does prove that the Gulf is less finicky.
The outcome SHOCKED me in this one, I thought I knew the outcome when I saw the cars listed. I thought I knew the outcome when I saw which drivers were in which cars (sorry, not meant to be rude but there is precedent). Then the video happened. Shocking, that was a good race, much better than expected. 👍
@@briandorsey6437 I would prefer an Autobahn as well because of the adaptive dampers. I have had adaptive on my last two cars and I'm spoiled now. I love them on my mk7.5 R, but our mk8 GTi S is very good as well besides those mediocre tires. I might swap the R wheels and tires on it just to see how it looks and how good the chassis really is with decent rubber on it.
@@Kamukix I must say the Adaptive Dampers have been a pleasant surprise in terms of how noticeable the difference between comfort mode & sport mode are. It’s like two different cars. Comfort mode is fantastic for whipping around a city or shitty roads in cities or shitty highways. The chassis & shocks just roll & adjust so smoothly and take the road yet the car still feels pretty sporty. Sport mode the whole thing tightens up from chassis feel to steering wheel tightness to the way the engine Revs and how long it holds the gears ⚙️ and rev hang etc…I didn’t think I’d like the different modes so much.
@@mharro88 elantra n is ugly car and with engine recalls no for me . Ill take the GTI its a winner ..and its a GTI the iconic car . the baby Porsche.👍👍
@@GTIclubdport9462 there hasn't been any engine recalls for any of the N cars idiot lol.. a GTI doesn't handle anywhere near as well as a Elantra N or as quick
Good race. A couple of things to say. First, the GTI, with adaptive dampers, can go 3 levels above sport mode if you go to custom mode.. essentially track mode. Second, you can create a shortcut to access to turn the ECS off Swipe down on Home Screen. Hold the “house” home button for 3 seconds and you can move the ECS off option to Home Screen so you only have to swipe down in the future and do it in 2 clicks. That being said, Hyundai has done a great job of creating driver-centric cars… something which I seems to have fallen off the radar for a lot of automakers
Go see Sam CarLegion...he has a video of the Elantra N beating a MK7 R and winning a roll race against a MK8 R. (all stock of course) There's no denying the R is a serious machine...but the Elantra N is no push over. I wouldn't put too much stock on this race since the GTI is more nimble in tight turns...take this to a real track and the N wins hands down...would even beat the R ! Hopefully someone does that !
@@patrickbilodeau3785 You are big mad aren’t you? I see you defending the Hyundai all over these comments. Buyers remorse maybe? 😂 Btw, SamCarLegion is a joke. His videos are awful and he can’t drive for shit.
Agreed I have a 2018 GTI and use to have a BRZ I turbo'd. Sure the BRZ handled better but not by as much as you think. My GTI is just as fast too with the tune, bolt ons.
Great video! Surprised that the Elantra didn’t take the win here. Seems like the GTI is great when it comes to quick, tight corners, while the Elantra is better in a more track based environment. At least these 2 sporty cars are staying relatively “affordable”
@@buildmorefarms1007 with a more upscale interior, much quieter and upscale NVH, and better ride, based Id personally take the Elantra N but both are great choices depending on the person. Especially if you tune the GTI
@@carloscervantes836 more like 38-39k with the needed performance pack. But that’s before the dealers get ahold of you 😭 if you can get this car for MSRP, it’s an excellent bargain. We’ll have to see what Honda does with their pricing
Elantra didn't win cause these two guys don't know how to drive. One guy brake too soon the other guy didn't know how to launch. And they supposed to be professional drivers. Sad.
The Savagegesse guys put the GTI on the dyno and it was putting 240 to the wheels. Figure 15% drivetrain loss, it would actually be 270ish at the flywheel. So figure roughly the same horsepower and ~130 fewer pounds, it's less surprising. However, I am STILL surprised. Though in Savagegeese's drag race the GTI beat the Elantra in the 1/4 mile as well. I do love this format. Do this with everything!
@@callmebex5120 sometimes.. they've also dynoed at 250, it's not as consistent as the GTI's underrated ratings especially torque Regardless, the Elantra N's power is finicky as fuck and won't even do full boost unless you do octane learning EVERYTIME you fill up with gas man look it up. And many people have trouble activating it at all. If you don't your boost and power gets limited.d
Came in here to find this comment about the MK8 @Robotic Venom so the Elantra N maybe was pulling timing on the 2nd race and thus could not engage LC? Maybe?
@@roboticvenom1935the limited boost non octane learned numbers are where hyundai got the 276hp and 289lb ft of torque ratings from. Octane learning was meant to be a nice surprise but was poorly executed. If it worked as intended it’d be great but it’s mainly just software tuning changes that need to be made
Elantra N beat Golf GTi by 1.5 second on your autocross test, but it pulled less G in this course? I just feel like you guys messed up the launch and cornering.
The MK8 GTI power numbers are definitely under rated by VW. The car is putting down 245-250 HP and 275-285 lb-ft at the wheels or around 285 HP and 315 lb-ft at the crank.
Hey Edmunds Cars, you should really fix the “As Tested” price on the GTI. You have $30,975 but that is clearly a Kings Red Metallic GTI Autobahn which has an MSRP of $39,525 before destination (according to VWs website) Looks like you quoted the S trim 6 speed starting price, not even the DSG. Kind of a misrepresentation
Who cares, the Autobahn SLOWS down the car and adds weight, so was their weight rating off too? They should've done the DSG yeah, but guess what I've found many DSG GTI',s for 31.5K MSRP.. FYI
Strange outcome. The Elantra has better acceleration, Notably better braking distance, Better grip in skid pad testing yet loses? Not to mention the gti comes with garbage all seasons. Test was a flop imo
It's not as complicated to turn ESC off as they say, there is a drop down menu at the top of the screen with a shortcut to change ESC settings easily (previous MK7 GTI owner, current MK8 GTI owner)
@@malikcbarnett Thanks I did check it out but he doesn't show how to 'add' a short-cut. I do have the pull down menu but the ESC button isn't there by default. Maybe it's a region specific thing.
I always feel fooled by the GTI because all the press cars have good performance tires and the consumer cars have crappy all seasons. I love my GTI’s but tires are the first thing I changed out on my mk7 and 7.5
Yeah exactly, especially on the jetta gli which comes with horrible hankooks which are awful, it really should be the first thing to change on these sporty vw
@@patrickbilodeau3785 A stage 1 gti should be as fast as a stock N def, maybe it wasn't tuned properly or something. But any vw car with 300hp is faster than the N but yeah they are more expensive of course
@@evaristocorripio5434 I went with Unitronic which considered conservative. Probably around 270WHP. I didn't want to overwhelm the clutch. My Elantra N definitely feels faster than my GTI.
Yeah, because of its tires. Ones the WRX can upgrade its wheels it would dust the Elantra. The Elantra is running 245 Pilot 4s, quite possibly one of the most expensive tires on sell. Take that away and you loose most of its performance.
@@postalpancho this video is crap. Edmunds always overrating vw. Also you think the subaru will beat the more agile EN? The only advantage the wrx has was off the line acceleration.
As a VW GTI and golf R owner, the EN should have had this. Just so happens both drivers had perfect runs with the GTI and totally messed up while driving the EN
the N would've dominated if the drivers weren't absolutely awful lmao. I've raced a GTi and I don't know what they are doing here but I put like 2 bus lengths on it
Pro drivers from Edmunds, one couldn't get the right gear on the way out of the corner, and the other couldn't get the launch control working properly. WELL DONE 👍👍
By the way, you shoud compare Elantra N (8-speed DCT) with others because it is faster in tracks and cheaper than others. The Elantra N can make a U-turn with only 3 wheels. Every comparisons between manual transmission cars were dependent on people and unreliable. Some comparisons may be evil intentions. Elantra N (8-speed DCT) which is easy to drive faster than Elantra N (6-speed MT). For examples of 0-100km/h times, Elantra N (8-speed DCT)~ 5.3sec, GR Corolla ~5.3sec, Civic Type R~5.4sec, Subaru(MT)~6.1sec, Elantra N(MT)~5.?sec. This video reminds me of Dieselgate. The Elantra N (8-speed DCT) is no match for the 240-hp Golf GTI. Elantra N (8-speed DCT) is faster in U-Drag even compared to Golf R.
People love to slag VW for its alleged reliability issues, although I've had six from the Mk1 all the way through the Mk6 and none of them were money pits. People just hate the fact that they're as popular as they are and when you're on top you're a target. But as good as the Koreans are getting, they've yet to truly trump these hyper Golfs. The all around space/utility, comfort, interior quality and materials and (yes, you do have to push them now...) - the potential for serious giggles when driven with gusto. They simply tick every box and this is why they are the benchmark. Are they perfect? Hell no. Are they the fastest car from light to light. Nope. The best fuel economy of any hot hatch? I'd say not. But they simply do everything so well, it's pretty much the only car you need. Not to mention that the Germans are notoriously famous for underrating their actual horsepower numbers. If the difference in these two cars was as the numbers show, this shouldn't have been the outcome. Even the base GTI, especially with the DSG, is pretty damn quick. The R is almost stupid for the segment. The only really kink is that mk8 infotainment. They definitely went backwards there
GTI never beat n performance check RUclips golf gt vs i30n or check video Sam he race Elantra n vs golf r and golf lose around the world n performance best stability flat sound top of any fake gt or put track corner turns see what can do n performance this golf can't compare vs n performance.
That as tested price is completely wrong for the gti. That looks like the autobahn trim which is closer to $40,000. Base trim doesn’t come with those wheels and headlights.
Gotta go GTI, more comfortable and an equal performer. I’m sure you could add some of the Elantra’s drama into the car if you really wanted to since the platform is just a newer version of the previous generation which had plenty of routes to take to add to the car.
@@mharro88the only difference this GTI had was the tires . both cars had summer tires this time unlike in previous reviews the GTI had all season. But remember the GTI is the competitor to the Elantra Turbo, a the competitor to the Enlatra N is the GTI CLUB SPORT. But it was not needed as this video clearly shows the regular GTI is a totally different car when you put summer tires on it
Something was amiss, the elantra n was a full 2 sec slower in this race vs its time of 36.5 against the wrx. Hard to tell with press cars, the brakes could have been glazed and the tires could have been dead after an interesting week with savagegeese. Lol
These gti owners don’t want to accept the Gti ran a slower time than the WRX and the EN ran a full second faster in the race than the Gti based off its best time during the WRX video LOL
GTI is under powered vs the "N" and still won overall. N 2 tenths faster in the quarter mile. 🙄 I don't care how fast it is, it's still a Hyundai.😆The Germans know what they are doing.🏁
I hate to say this, but this would be a better test if the cars were kept between cones during the turn around. There is too much variance on the path that be taken, thus results will be inconclusive.
I love these U-Drags and Lauren McCain's commentary is the icing on the cake i didn't know i so needed! That was a great race and I can't wait to see the next match up.
I wouldn't, interior is less upscale many hard plastics, the ride is much stiffer and the NVH is much worse because it's based on a $21K Hyundai Elantra.
GTI fanboy but own a Hyundai so it’s tough but I’d go with the MK8. I had a Mk7.5 till I got in an accident. GTI always punches above its weight class! 👍🏻
I have heard that some German makers have underrated their hp figures. I recall that Mazda did that with their turbo in the 90's. And some folks say that the Type R is underrated.
Why did the guy in the EN brake so early?? The GTI stands no chance against the EN on track. The drivers just messed it up bad on both occasions 😂 you simply can't mess up and conclude the video like that. Do it properly and fairly
huh? you definitely do need to floor it quickly, and if not quickly enough, it doesn't go into launch mode. This is as per both the owner's manual and instructional video from H
No you don’t tap the gas, you mash down hard on the break then mash the accelerator all the way down. If it doesn’t initiate let off the gas then mash again, but quickly. I have an EN fyi
First race - N driver brakes way too early.(you can see gti passing N very quickly while braking.) Second race - Launch control fail. (there should have been new race for this one)
So many of these reviews on the EN are done by people that don’t actually know how to drive it. Whether it’s from the launch control or how to use the NGS button. I’ve raced GTIs in my EN DCT and gapped them by quite a bit. Using the N mode in auto isn’t where you get all the power. Using the N mode and paddle shifting in manual is where you can really push it. This race was determined by the drivers. Not the cars.
Why didn't you test manual vs manual? The Hyundai DCT just sucks! You can't get a correct data! Drive the manual vs the manual just like you guys did the N against the WRX (The one that Elantra N won). Do this again!
Why didn't this video feature the leaderboard of times like it did when they did the EN vs the Wrx? It did a 37.6 which was faster than both times in this video. What happened?
Glad I have a GTI :). and its easy to shut off traction control.. you dont need to go through all the menus to get there. there are short cuts.. would be cool if you reviewers learned that stuff before complaining.
I really doubt there's much of a horsepower deficit here at all. VW and the other German auto-makers have been using WHP numbers for a long time now, vs crank HP in the N. That "241" is probably closer to 275 or a little more at the crank.
Ah all these noobs on these car channels trying to make out that turning off traction control on the mk8s is hard by having to go into all these menus. You literally have to scroll down from the top of the screen in any menu and it’s right there… educate yourself first your just making yourself look silly *facepalm*
The Elantra N has better brakes and Tyres than the GTI so the first drag race was honestly baffling. The guy not only braked too early, he seemed to be cornering really awkwardly.
As a owner of a 40th anniversary edition Mark 8 the DCCC and the way the car is programmed because everything works together the braking system suspension the engine transmission they all talk to each other to make this a very different type of car. 4 RUclipsr like Savage geese call this one of the best front-wheel drive cars he's ever driven is a high-water Mark that car
Well with the VW GTi you gotta think about it pedigree lineage like Porsche, Audi, Bugatti etc. unlike Hyundai which is still coming into its own. Yes it has bugs with the launch control and Hyundai’s family tree has a newly reformed Genesis and Kia. I think if Hyundai, Kia and Genesis keep up the good work they have been showing us thus far, they’ll get there pretty soon. I mean they have been dominate in show room stock racing with the Elantra since the CN7 chassis has come out in South Korea 2020.
This type of drag race is a more precise way to measure a car's overall performance than a 1/4 mile. I'm not a fan of VWs but I am surprised by this outcome. The Elantra N is supposedly in the same league as a Type R (lol).
Well it is competing with the type R. The first race you can see that the GTI driver dove in on the braking, getting him the win. The second race the EN driver didnt even launch the car properly. These races are a lot of fun and valuable. But dont overlook the clear mistake that he admitted to, which lead to a loss in the second race. And the possibility that he was a better driver at braking in the first race, leading to a win. If it was precise as you say it is, the cars would be the same gap from each other every time. One race each in a car then switching to an entirely different car is not precise lol. Precise is on a track with several warm up laps, then a hot one to set the time.
Ivan the GTI will put performance the type R in this race and the yaris GR will outperform the gti in this race too... if that launch is done right in the second race the EN wins and we got to a tie breaker... it is closely matched... but you put them on a track then u will see why the N is a better car and close to the type R
@@g_p_3431 There are videos of ENs beating type Rs but we know the R is better. Im looking at the numbers and whats presented in the video. The driver of the car says outloud that he didnt launch the EN properly. How does driver error equate to "the other car is better"? Gtf outta here, rewatch the video.
Could be octane learning. Without following the procedure to octane learn as outlined in the manual the Elantra N traps about 5mph less in the 1/4 mile and loses quite a bit of tq/hp
They put real tires on the GTI to make it apples to apples. Otherwise the Elantra N has the BEST street tires(pilots sport 4s) and the GTI has trash all seasons
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So, what would be your pick: the GTI or the Elantra N?
aftermarket support, heritage, etc. VW GTI easily.... Elantra is nice but nice try Hyundai LMFAO! with all your engine recalls etc! yea Hyundai and KIA! NEVER EVER!
Elantra N all the way!
Veloster N :)
GTI for me. I will deal with the carbon build-up.
The better looking and fastest one , the GTI
I love U-Drags. I wish this was a weekly series, especially with so many competitive enthusiast cars in the same relative price range under $50k
Same here
Me too, this is a much better indication of a car's performance than regular drags.
It still amazes me that nobody ever thought of this type of competition before Edmunds.
I know right? It's a very good quick and dirty way of seeing what a car can do.
It amazes that even after Edmunds has implemented it, no-one has copied it. Seems like a no brainer.
Didn't road and track magazine do it?
@@madrx2 Nope
This one is a clean format from a respected company, but several channels have done similar things, here we have a pro driver, doing lap times on 4 cars in this price range (Results near the end, spoiler alert: wildly different results than we see here) ruclips.net/video/o2yJbpxVgTA/видео.html
Type R owner here. I've seen both of these cars extensively at auto cross events. The Elantra N has been objectively faster than the GTI around any course I've been to over the summer. This seems off.
Elantra N owner here. Just want to thank on behalf of all N car owners ! Your statement carries allot of credibility since you've raced so much. Something was a miss in this race. Have a good day. Fan of the Type R as well !
Cheers
🍻
I'm curious what tires they have on the Gti, I know some of the press cars had the Bridgestone semi slicks on them.
I saw every video, Elanta N never beats type R.. but never lose normal GTI.. Something wrong in this test.
I agree with this statement, I expected the N to win here. But I do see the tuned GTI's do very well at autocross events.
Golf R MK8 owner here and surprised by the result too.
In the previous Subaru match,
Elantra N produced a 37.6 second result.
This video is a little weird.
with a stick no less, but I guess the old- different day, driver, temp, surface conditions etc.........
I don't like how the cameras swap while racing , the way that gti just made up for the 3 car gapping it got from the EN at the start and took the win even though the N has the way better electronic differential.......bit suspicious.
Yeah especially when in each race the Elantra lost, but it had higher trap speeds and more grip.
Rigged
This video is rigged 100%
There's going to be a lot of salty Elantra/Veloster/Kona N fans on here lol.
Ohhh, they are big mad in the comments section. 😂
I have to admit, I’m surprised. I did expect it to be close, but still thought the Elantra would take it. I think a lot of people underestimate the GTI.
When the GTIs are tuned they make light work out of tuned V8s,
@@dodga100 with E85 yeah
@@roboticvenom1935 the MK8s are making MK7 E85 power on 98 tunes, ECU just got cracked, it’s on like donkey kong🤣
@@dodga100yes sir and hyundai basically has no after market / tuning support. GTI all day baby
I'm not a fan of the design of the new Sonata and Elantra, but for some reason, I'm digging the N. I think it's the blacked out front and aggressive fascia.
These are great. Im so sick of the straight line drags which really just highlights - launch control. this highlights the actual cars performance much better, but still with the excitement of a drag.
It's easy to think that the GTI wouldn't perform well because it looks so similar to all the prior ones. They definitely did more for the Mk8 chassis than it appears.
Im in a 2024 gti 380se. Im coming from a 23 wrx and the gti really blows the wrx away. I didnt plan on getting t boned and having to get a new car but Im actually glad I didnt get another wrx. silver linings
@@elgoogkcuf When I test drove the GTI and WRX, I actually found them to feel quite similar. I ended up with the WRX though. The AWD, physical e brake and other physical buttons basically sold me on the WRX.
I do hope you enjoy the GTI, sad to see there won't be a manual option for them anymore 😞
Felt like he messed up Big time on the second race with elantra they should of redone that match.
yup, the EN launches really well. System wasnt engaged properly on the 2nd race.
@@blevin569 yep but he did the first time.
@@blevin569 Was it the system or was it the operator? The 1st race, the guy ran wide in the turn and he admitted he had it in the wrong gear pulling out of the turn. The 2nd race the guy screwed up the launch. The GTI is definitely a more refined daily driver with a little bit of weekend spirit but the Elantra is faster and lighter. There's no reason it shouldn't have beat the GTI. I'm calling shenanigans.
@@LordHolley Yeah, a couple of channels have done drag races and drag and rolls and the EN dominated the GTI. I know this is different with the U drag, but still in all the other ones it was clear within seconds the EN had more power, and these guys even said what 'should happen' but it didn't. But I think this does prove that the Gulf is less finicky.
@@LordHolley yeah the local VW dealer paid more sponsorship $$..
U-Drag races are seriously my favorite thing on YT right now. More please. 🙂
The outcome SHOCKED me in this one, I thought I knew the outcome when I saw the cars listed. I thought I knew the outcome when I saw which drivers were in which cars (sorry, not meant to be rude but there is precedent).
Then the video happened. Shocking, that was a good race, much better than expected. 👍
As a 2022 GTI owner….NOT shocking!!! The thing handles and brakes and accelerates so well!
@@briandorsey6437 are you still on those stock Goodyear all season tires?
@@Kamukix no mine is the Autobahn edition which comes with summer performance tires which have been really good this year including the winter.
@@briandorsey6437 I would prefer an Autobahn as well because of the adaptive dampers. I have had adaptive on my last two cars and I'm spoiled now. I love them on my mk7.5 R, but our mk8 GTi S is very good as well besides those mediocre tires. I might swap the R wheels and tires on it just to see how it looks and how good the chassis really is with decent rubber on it.
@@Kamukix I must say the Adaptive Dampers have been a pleasant surprise in terms of how noticeable the difference between comfort mode & sport mode are. It’s like two different cars. Comfort mode is fantastic for whipping around a city or shitty roads in cities or shitty highways. The chassis & shocks just roll & adjust so smoothly and take the road yet the car still feels pretty sporty. Sport mode the whole thing tightens up from chassis feel to steering wheel tightness to the way the engine Revs and how long it holds the gears ⚙️ and rev hang etc…I didn’t think I’d like the different modes so much.
As volkswagen fan and owner I know no car will give you the feeling of control as golf
Lol. The Elantra n is way more controlled at fast speeds
@@mharro88 elantra n is ugly car and with engine recalls no for me . Ill take the GTI its a winner ..and its a GTI the iconic car . the baby Porsche.👍👍
@@GTIclubdport9462 there hasn't been any engine recalls for any of the N cars idiot lol.. a GTI doesn't handle anywhere near as well as a Elantra N or as quick
@@GTIclubdport9462GTI is a sissy car that God hates. 😅😅😅
@@mharro88no way the only good thing about the Elantra is the tires which makes a huge difference
Good race. A couple of things to say. First, the GTI, with adaptive dampers, can go 3 levels above sport mode if you go to custom mode.. essentially track mode. Second, you can create a shortcut to access to turn the ECS off Swipe down on Home Screen. Hold the “house” home button for 3 seconds and you can move the ECS off option to Home Screen so you only have to swipe down in the future and do it in 2 clicks. That being said, Hyundai has done a great job of creating driver-centric cars… something which I seems to have fallen off the radar for a lot of automakers
To think, they used a base model GTI in the video, and not even the one with adaptive suspension. I wonder how it would've performed with those.
@@mistamaog that’s what I wonder. Set three levels above sport mode with the adaptive suspension, the new GTI has like zero body roll
@@darrensnyder4742 This Mk8 really is impressive
I have a tuned MK7 Golf R and I love seeing my little brother GTI kick some serious butt!
Go see Sam CarLegion...he has a video of the Elantra N beating a MK7 R and winning a roll race against a MK8 R. (all stock of course) There's no denying the R is a serious machine...but the Elantra N is no push over.
I wouldn't put too much stock on this race since the GTI is more nimble in tight turns...take this to a real track and the N wins hands down...would even beat the R ! Hopefully someone does that !
@@patrickbilodeau3785 You are big mad aren’t you? I see you defending the Hyundai all over these comments. Buyers remorse maybe? 😂
Btw, SamCarLegion is a joke. His videos are awful and he can’t drive for shit.
As a GTi owner I can’t explain how agile they are and the brakes are incredible
Agreed I have a 2018 GTI and use to have a BRZ I turbo'd. Sure the BRZ handled better but not by as much as you think. My GTI is just as fast too with the tune, bolt ons.
I think they should add a pro driver to take a spin in each car for consistencies sake and to have a comparable leaderboard.
U-drags are legit. More fun than a straight line drag
Elantra N is quicker in the 1/4 and stops shorter but these two "drivers" manage to lose the drag race or get yoinked in the brake zone? Seems legit.
Great video! Surprised that the Elantra didn’t take the win here. Seems like the GTI is great when it comes to quick, tight corners, while the Elantra is better in a more track based environment. At least these 2 sporty cars are staying relatively “affordable”
GTi is 200 lbs lighter.
@@buildmorefarms1007 with a more upscale interior, much quieter and upscale NVH, and better ride, based
Id personally take the Elantra N but both are great choices depending on the person. Especially if you tune the GTI
Core GR Corolla will be 35k starting no?
@@carloscervantes836 more like 38-39k with the needed performance pack. But that’s before the dealers get ahold of you 😭 if you can get this car for MSRP, it’s an excellent bargain. We’ll have to see what Honda does with their pricing
Elantra didn't win cause these two guys don't know how to drive. One guy brake too soon the other guy didn't know how to launch. And they supposed to be professional drivers. Sad.
The Savagegesse guys put the GTI on the dyno and it was putting 240 to the wheels. Figure 15% drivetrain loss, it would actually be 270ish at the flywheel. So figure roughly the same horsepower and ~130 fewer pounds, it's less surprising. However, I am STILL surprised. Though in Savagegeese's drag race the GTI beat the Elantra in the 1/4 mile as well. I do love this format. Do this with everything!
Stock Elantra dynos at 270, so it’s really 300-305ish.
@@callmebex5120 sometimes.. they've also dynoed at 250, it's not as consistent as the GTI's underrated ratings especially torque
Regardless, the Elantra N's power is finicky as fuck and won't even do full boost unless you do octane learning EVERYTIME you fill up with gas man look it up. And many people have trouble activating it at all. If you don't your boost and power gets limited.d
Came in here to find this comment about the MK8
@Robotic Venom so the Elantra N maybe was pulling timing on the 2nd race and thus could not engage LC? Maybe?
Gti is better tho it could've gotten slightly better launch
@@roboticvenom1935the limited boost non octane learned numbers are where hyundai got the 276hp and 289lb ft of torque ratings from. Octane learning was meant to be a nice surprise but was poorly executed. If it worked as intended it’d be great but it’s mainly just software tuning changes that need to be made
Elantra N beat Golf GTi by 1.5 second on your autocross test, but it pulled less G in this course? I just feel like you guys messed up the launch and cornering.
Just face the facts. The hyundai is not as fast as they claim it to be
And the GTI is $5000 cheaper than that Hyundai. And put that 5K towards upgrades for the GTI and the Hyundai even upgraded will never touch the GTI.
@@mattsmith7379 GTI is 32k and Elantra N is 33k. Also, 32k gti doesn't even have LSD and electronic dampers. You are delusional
I love hatches. They look simple and clean
The MK8 GTI power numbers are definitely under rated by VW. The car is putting down 245-250 HP and 275-285 lb-ft at the wheels or around 285 HP and 315 lb-ft at the crank.
I agree it makes around 300 crank plus you can tune the GTI
The GTI being a overachiever yet again, as always 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Hey Edmunds Cars, you should really fix the “As Tested” price on the GTI. You have $30,975 but that is clearly a Kings Red Metallic GTI Autobahn which has an MSRP of $39,525 before destination (according to VWs website)
Looks like you quoted the S trim 6 speed starting price, not even the DSG. Kind of a misrepresentation
Who cares, the Autobahn SLOWS down the car and adds weight, so was their weight rating off too?
They should've done the DSG yeah, but guess what I've found many DSG GTI',s for 31.5K MSRP.. FYI
clearly they want to show that the GTI is better.
Strange outcome.
The Elantra has better acceleration, Notably better braking distance, Better grip in skid pad testing yet loses?
Not to mention the gti comes with garbage all seasons.
Test was a flop imo
It's not as complicated to turn ESC off as they say, there is a drop down menu at the top of the screen with a shortcut to change ESC settings easily (previous MK7 GTI owner, current MK8 GTI owner)
Mine doesn't have that shortcut and there doesn't seem to be a way to add it either.
@@JCTiggs1 Check out the Deutsche Auto Parts RUclips channel, there's a tutorial on how to find it.
@@malikcbarnett Thanks I did check it out but he doesn't show how to 'add' a short-cut. I do have the pull down menu but the ESC button isn't there by default. Maybe it's a region specific thing.
@@malikcbarnett Found this video on how to add a shortcut, I'll try it out tomorrow, hopefully it works! 😎
ruclips.net/video/78RkFC1Zhmo/видео.html
Love this series.💯
I always feel fooled by the GTI because all the press cars have good performance tires and the consumer cars have crappy all seasons. I love my GTI’s but tires are the first thing I changed out on my mk7 and 7.5
Yeah exactly, especially on the jetta gli which comes with horrible hankooks which are awful, it really should be the first thing to change on these sporty vw
Cheapest best mod then tune
I had a 2018 GTI with a Unitronic stage 1 tune and Borla exhaust...my Elantra N stock is faster and sounds much better !
@@patrickbilodeau3785 A stage 1 gti should be as fast as a stock N def, maybe it wasn't tuned properly or something. But any vw car with 300hp is faster than the N but yeah they are more expensive of course
@@evaristocorripio5434 I went with Unitronic which considered conservative. Probably around 270WHP. I didn't want to overwhelm the clutch. My Elantra N definitely feels faster than my GTI.
In the video with the Elantra N vs WRX, the Elantra N was 1 second faster.
Yeah, because of its tires. Ones the WRX can upgrade its wheels it would dust the Elantra. The Elantra is running 245 Pilot 4s, quite possibly one of the most expensive tires on sell. Take that away and you loose most of its performance.
@@postalpancho I mean the elantra N in that video is 1 second faster than the Elantra N in this video.
@@postalpancho this video is crap. Edmunds always overrating vw. Also you think the subaru will beat the more agile EN? The only advantage the wrx has was off the line acceleration.
@@commentmancommentman1658 ya Edmonds is obviously on the vw payroll
@@ENDCT-mx5ei its always been.
This U-Drag concept is amazing. I am shocked about the results here, I really expected the N to dominate this.
I mean the drivers did switch cars, so you mean get 2 entirely new drivers in the seat?
@@ALMX5DP Do they? I thought they just switched the lane each car was on and kept the driver! If they do switch cars, I apologize!
@@carscoffeeandcannabis-634 the driver’s actually swapped :P
As a VW GTI and golf R owner, the EN should have had this. Just so happens both drivers had perfect runs with the GTI and totally messed up while driving the EN
the N would've dominated if the drivers weren't absolutely awful lmao. I've raced a GTi and I don't know what they are doing here but I put like 2 bus lengths on it
Very surprised to see the VW Golf GTI winning, I wasn't expecting that to happen😳
Pro drivers from Edmunds, one couldn't get the right gear on the way out of the corner, and the other couldn't get the launch control working properly. WELL DONE 👍👍
Bro it’s a Hyundai what you can’t ask for more .
I really enjoyed the race !
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By the way, you shoud compare Elantra N (8-speed DCT) with others because it is faster in tracks and cheaper than others. The Elantra N can make a U-turn with only 3 wheels. Every comparisons between manual transmission cars were dependent on people and unreliable. Some comparisons may be evil intentions. Elantra N (8-speed DCT) which is easy to drive faster than Elantra N (6-speed MT). For examples of 0-100km/h times, Elantra N (8-speed DCT)~ 5.3sec, GR Corolla ~5.3sec, Civic Type R~5.4sec, Subaru(MT)~6.1sec, Elantra N(MT)~5.?sec. This video reminds me of Dieselgate. The Elantra N (8-speed DCT) is no match for the 240-hp Golf GTI. Elantra N (8-speed DCT) is faster in U-Drag even compared to Golf R.
Just curious. Would you folks consider even more affordable rivals? I would love to see the Elantra N-line against a Civic SI.
People love to slag VW for its alleged reliability issues, although I've had six from the Mk1 all the way through the Mk6 and none of them were money pits. People just hate the fact that they're as popular as they are and when you're on top you're a target. But as good as the Koreans are getting, they've yet to truly trump these hyper Golfs. The all around space/utility, comfort, interior quality and materials and (yes, you do have to push them now...) - the potential for serious giggles when driven with gusto. They simply tick every box and this is why they are the benchmark. Are they perfect? Hell no. Are they the fastest car from light to light. Nope. The best fuel economy of any hot hatch? I'd say not. But they simply do everything so well, it's pretty much the only car you need.
Not to mention that the Germans are notoriously famous for underrating their actual horsepower numbers. If the difference in these two cars was as the numbers show, this shouldn't have been the outcome. Even the base GTI, especially with the DSG, is pretty damn quick. The R is almost stupid for the segment.
The only really kink is that mk8 infotainment. They definitely went backwards there
They just arent as sharp as the N and the haptic buttons and lack of tuning and volume knobs is unforgiveable.
Weird that I can't find anyone else who somehow shows a GTI beating an Elantra N. It always seems to be the other way around.
Because this is the most realistic car racing test - Not a drag race for a quarter mile - that’s a drag race not street conditions
savagegeese also had the same outcome
@@neekjp link please
GTI never beat n performance check RUclips golf gt vs i30n or check video Sam he race Elantra n vs golf r and golf lose around the world n performance best stability flat sound top of any fake gt or put track corner turns see what can do n performance this golf can't compare vs n performance.
@@unexplainedwearenotalone3537 sam has the worst videos on the internet. watch savage geese 10x more reputable.
Having owned the GTI and now a Kona N, KN is better performance wise and more fun. GTI is more comfortable and refined. Cant go wrong with either.
Given how well the gti did here I doubt the Kona N is the better performance car. Maybe you can't drive 🤷
@@davothegreat9990 I can’t drive, but they admittedly messed up the launch on the 2nd run and didn’t use NGS Properly either. Got it!
@@1209MArky understood. But it still lost the first run too.
You have not owned MK8 GTi. There is a big difference in performance between Mk6/MK7/Mk7.5 GTi like yours and MK8 GTi.
U Drags are great! Keep them coming!
We will!
I really like U-Drags, I wish they were released a little more frequently. It sets you apart from other car channels, I'd be leaning on it hard.
GTI all day long. Classy, elegant ride and over-engineered VW “feel” every day!!
That as tested price is completely wrong for the gti. That looks like the autobahn trim which is closer to $40,000. Base trim doesn’t come with those wheels and headlights.
Gotta go GTI, more comfortable and an equal performer. I’m sure you could add some of the Elantra’s drama into the car if you really wanted to since the platform is just a newer version of the previous generation which had plenty of routes to take to add to the car.
Aftermarket lower springs, a meaty exhaust, and camber plate and tow arms tuned by a professional would do it.
It's definitely not a equal performer.
@@mharro88not it performs better right
@@L_G_Brandon the en walks all over the GTI in driver engagement and performance.
@@mharro88the only difference this GTI had was the tires . both cars had summer tires this time unlike in previous reviews the GTI had all season. But remember the GTI is the competitor to the Elantra Turbo, a the competitor to the Enlatra N is the GTI CLUB SPORT. But it was not needed as this video clearly shows the regular GTI is a totally different car when you put summer tires on it
Something was amiss, the elantra n was a full 2 sec slower in this race vs its time of 36.5 against the wrx. Hard to tell with press cars, the brakes could have been glazed and the tires could have been dead after an interesting week with savagegeese. Lol
VW just makes great cars. That’s just a GtI too. R model is a lot better too.
These gti owners don’t want to accept the Gti ran a slower time than the WRX and the EN ran a full second faster in the race than the Gti based off its best time during the WRX video LOL
Finally an honest review
GTI is under powered vs the "N" and still won overall. N 2 tenths faster in the quarter mile. 🙄 I don't care how fast it is, it's still a Hyundai.😆The Germans know what they are doing.🏁
Love these videos. Very unique and innovative concept. And love Lauren's addition to the channel!
More to come!
If there is significant driver error. . . not engaging the launch. . . would you not do another take?
I love sedan cars and elantra N is one of them ❤️ with great power and reasonable price
Finally an outcome not paid for by Hyundai
I put no stock into a drag race tbh. It means nothing. I would never drag race. I want to see how they handle on a road course.
GTI all the way! :)
Was Elantra Octane Learned?
I hate to say this, but this would be a better test if the cars were kept between cones during the turn around. There is too much variance on the path that be taken, thus results will be inconclusive.
And also..."Launch control didn't work...oh well the VW won!" WTF not a fair race.
I love these U-Drags and Lauren McCain's commentary is the icing on the cake i didn't know i so needed! That was a great race and I can't wait to see the next match up.
What do you think about diversity hire? For or against?
U-drags are the best. I still take the Elantra N, just for climate control buttons.
I wouldn't, interior is less upscale many hard plastics, the ride is much stiffer and the NVH is much worse because it's based on a $21K Hyundai Elantra.
As sticker price is wrong, Your car is the loaded autobahn thats 40k.
The only thing that could make this better is to add a quick couple of turns to see how the suspensions behave...........but this is sweet.
No contest…boy racer vs refined machine ✌️
I love how 90% of this video can be skipped. I can only imagine how much they spent on this
GTI fanboy but own a Hyundai so it’s tough but I’d go with the MK8. I had a Mk7.5 till I got in an accident. GTI always punches above its weight class! 👍🏻
What tires are on the gti!? Let's go!
We need more u-drags! 😊
I have heard that some German makers have underrated their hp figures. I recall that Mazda did that with their turbo in the 90's. And some folks say that the Type R is underrated.
Idk but i think something off on the N. I’m pretty sure it’s quicker than the gti
Better Host, better driver. Good stuff.
Ya something is off on this Elantra N. On your other U drag video N vs WRX the N did 37.6 sec... hmmm🤔🤔.
Why did the guy in the EN brake so early?? The GTI stands no chance against the EN on track. The drivers just messed it up bad on both occasions 😂 you simply can't mess up and conclude the video like that. Do it properly and fairly
The driver of N did not launch it properly. You need to tap the gas pedal rather than floor it.
we all know the elantra N is faster ..
@@tenkayruanaya2554 it is but not that much. Both are great but I wouldnt buy either.
huh? you definitely do need to floor it quickly, and if not quickly enough, it doesn't go into launch mode. This is as per both the owner's manual and instructional video from H
No you don’t tap the gas, you mash down hard on the break then mash the accelerator all the way down. If it doesn’t initiate let off the gas then mash again, but quickly. I have an EN fyi
First race - N driver brakes way too early.(you can see gti passing N very quickly while braking.)
Second race - Launch control fail. (there should have been new race for this one)
So many of these reviews on the EN are done by people that don’t actually know how to drive it. Whether it’s from the launch control or how to use the NGS button. I’ve raced GTIs in my EN DCT and gapped them by quite a bit. Using the N mode in auto isn’t where you get all the power. Using the N mode and paddle shifting in manual is where you can really push it. This race was determined by the drivers. Not the cars.
Why didn't you test manual vs manual? The Hyundai DCT just sucks! You can't get a correct data! Drive the manual vs the manual just like you guys did the N against the WRX (The one that Elantra N won). Do this again!
Why didn't this video feature the leaderboard of times like it did when they did the EN vs the Wrx? It did a 37.6 which was faster than both times in this video. What happened?
This is the right answer. I'm obviously biased, but this race is botched big time.
U-drags is the best idea ever. I would choose the GTI. Seems like it is more refined and I love hatchbacks.
Can’t get over the styling of the N. Has to be one of the worst things I’ve ever laid my eyes on
All those other videos of N gapping the gti is false ..THIS Is how it goes down
Glad I have a GTI :). and its easy to shut off traction control.. you dont need to go through all the menus to get there. there are short cuts.. would be cool if you reviewers learned that stuff before complaining.
I really doubt there's much of a horsepower deficit here at all. VW and the other German auto-makers have been using WHP numbers for a long time now, vs crank HP in the N. That "241" is probably closer to 275 or a little more at the crank.
Ah all these noobs on these car channels trying to make out that turning off traction control on the mk8s is hard by having to go into all these menus. You literally have to scroll down from the top of the screen in any menu and it’s right there… educate yourself first your just making yourself look silly *facepalm*
A lot of salty N fans incoming. Glad to see a real test between the two!
Should ve done gti vs veloster n
I want to see a few more runs. They were pretty close.
Liked, subscribed, and commented. Keep the U-DRAGS coming!!
The Elantra N has better brakes and Tyres than the GTI so the first drag race was honestly baffling. The guy not only braked too early, he seemed to be cornering really awkwardly.
Please bring the current civic type r to race its rivals
As a owner of a 40th anniversary edition Mark 8 the DCCC and the way the car is programmed because everything works together the braking system suspension the engine transmission they all talk to each other to make this a very different type of car. 4 RUclipsr like Savage geese call this one of the best front-wheel drive cars he's ever driven is a high-water Mark that car
I want more of this!! It's addictive.
Needs to be more of these please 😊
Well with the VW GTi you gotta think about it pedigree lineage like Porsche, Audi, Bugatti etc. unlike Hyundai which is still coming into its own. Yes it has bugs with the launch control and Hyundai’s family tree has a newly reformed Genesis and Kia. I think if Hyundai, Kia and Genesis keep up the good work they have been showing us thus far, they’ll get there pretty soon. I mean they have been dominate in show room stock racing with the Elantra since the CN7 chassis has come out in South Korea 2020.
This type of drag race is a more precise way to measure a car's overall performance than a 1/4 mile. I'm not a fan of VWs but I am surprised by this outcome. The Elantra N is supposedly in the same league as a Type R (lol).
Well it is competing with the type R. The first race you can see that the GTI driver dove in on the braking, getting him the win. The second race the EN driver didnt even launch the car properly.
These races are a lot of fun and valuable. But dont overlook the clear mistake that he admitted to, which lead to a loss in the second race. And the possibility that he was a better driver at braking in the first race, leading to a win.
If it was precise as you say it is, the cars would be the same gap from each other every time. One race each in a car then switching to an entirely different car is not precise lol. Precise is on a track with several warm up laps, then a hot one to set the time.
@@noodles9345 Didn't say it's the most precise, but it sheds much more info than a 1/4 mile race. Hot laps around demanding tracks are best.
Ivan the GTI will put performance the type R in this race and the yaris GR will outperform the gti in this race too... if that launch is done right in the second race the EN wins and we got to a tie breaker... it is closely matched... but you put them on a track then u will see why the N is a better car and close to the type R
@@noodles9345 get over it, the GTI outperformed it on other channels as well. Not a surprise anymore.
@@g_p_3431 There are videos of ENs beating type Rs but we know the R is better. Im looking at the numbers and whats presented in the video. The driver of the car says outloud that he didnt launch the EN properly. How does driver error equate to "the other car is better"? Gtf outta here, rewatch the video.
Could be octane learning. Without following the procedure to octane learn as outlined in the manual the Elantra N traps about 5mph less in the 1/4 mile and loses quite a bit of tq/hp
So basically German engineering is superior to Korean engineering....
They may not have done the octane learning in the N. Something is off, N beats the gti in every other video I’ve seen
I am shocked it was that close after the difference in your auto cross comparison
They put real tires on the GTI to make it apples to apples. Otherwise the Elantra N has the BEST street tires(pilots sport 4s) and the GTI has trash all seasons
I feel like VW paid extra to make them look good. This test feels off.