Doctor Who: Terror of the Autons Effects Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 5 мар 2021
- In 2021, Terror of the Autons received (optional) new effects for its Blu-ray release coupled with a brand new restoration from the surviving elements. Here is a comparison of the updated footage with the original footage alongside the 5.1 sound mix present on the Blu-ray.
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Also, yes I did manage to get my copy 2 days early, although HMV sneakily cancelled my order a few days before and I had to source another from a more local shop.
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Great that they were able to realise the original intention to have the tentacled Nestene appear between the dishes. All very well done.
Yeah that moment made me jump from my couch for joy seeing the Nestene full on for once.
6:38 The way that Delgado's eyes were matched to the mask eyeholes in the new footage is impressive and creepy!😳
Yeah that's my favorite moment too. Just a fantastic idea.
Now these are updated special effects I can get behind! No overdone CGI effects, improved yellow screen & perspectives and that Doll animation is just 😩👌
The doll looks more menacing than the PTing. 😱
This is honestly some of the best replacement effects. Very subtle, very sympathetic to the original effects and really well matched or adjusted. I look forward to enjoying this for myself when I eventually receive my Australian release of Season 8. Well done everyone involved!
Am in total agreement here. Chris and Sally pulled out all the stops for this one.
It changes almost nothing, and what little it does change is worse. Instead of a clear background, it replaces with a blurrier version of same background. Color grading that makes the picture less vibrant, and then replacing original effects with poor CGI. How is that a good job?
It changes a whole lot and what it does change it changes for the better. It fixes the perspective of the shot so that it actually matches the intended composition of the scene rather than the old CSO. The colour grading hasn't changed and the picture being less vibrant is mainly cause I compressed the new version much more than the original version. Replacing the older effects with better and more consistent ones is a win in my books. So yeah, it’s a good job.
@@DanTheMan2150AD The sharpness of the actors had deteriorated is messing around with the image.
Peronally, I find the 3 inch tall doll hilarious, due to poor scaling on the oroginal effects.
Pity they didn't get rid of the yellow/pink banding artifacts in a couple of scenes with Jon Pertwee.
@@DanTheMan2150ADI think the OG doll is much creepier. the new one just looks like cg
My favourite part isn’t even the doll, it’s the improved green screen effects. That tiny attention to detail makes it much more immersive and with tiny improvements like that it’s less frequently reminded that you’re watching a low budget 70’s show ya know?
The updated troll doll is utterly chilling. They have given this series a delightful and befitting lick of paint.
Out of these new effects, the creepy doll really stands out the most to me. I like how it's CGI, yet it still looks like it was animated with stop motion. It updates the effects, yet retains the charming cheapness of 70's Doctor Who.
I don't know, I think the new one looks too cuddly and the way it mives is quite endearing. The original looked like cheap, horrible 70s plastic tat, which is what it parodying.
This is the best work I've seen done on any of the rereleases, it doesn't try to fully replace the old effects, just gives them a new coat of paint that is entirely faithful to the originals. One effect that demonstrates this perfectly is the time lord materialising in, they could have easily added some cheap looking lighting effects like certain other rereleases but instead merely redo the green screen (or yellow screen or blue screen or whatever they used in this episode), they even kept the jarring opacity change at the end, a very fitting touch.
The new doll sequence is excellent. Creepy AF and what Dr who should be. The animators have made a great job of the creepy movement.
100% agree. I actually wonder what would have been allowed back then if the effects had been better. The doll was always scary but the fact that it was clearly a man in a rubber suit struggling to stand up against a CSO background took the edge off. Seeing it seamlessly animated, much more realistic and fully part of its environment without the comforting hazy outline of CSO is properly scary. I'm surprised the modern effects version doesn't have a higher certificate than the original! There's probably loads of body horror and scary scenes in Classic Who that were originally rendered with green bubble wrap and committed acting that would now be too much with better effects.
First time I saw the troll doll was in 1977 when a clip of the car scene was shown on Whose Doctor Who. I was six and it reduced me to tears, I was so scared. It was from the black and white print, so no CSO fringing there! I didn’t have a clue how it was done and I was surprised to later find out that it was a guy in a suit.
5:00 AN UPDATED CSO KITCHEN! AT LAST! Quite honestly, this is an amazing lot of effects, some of which blend in so perfectly, I don't realize the difference for a while. Well done, a much better improvement than Planet of the Daleks was.
50 years and the kitchen finally got a redecorating. Not sure the Doctor would like it though.
@@DanTheMan2150AD that fake kitchen is some of the most hilarious set dressing, I’m both glad and sad that it’s gone.
@@DanTheMan2150AD I've just realized something. Has anyone done an effects comparison on Day of the Daleks?
If the BBC hadn't been so hide-bound in their policues, the Dr Who team could have quickly nipped onto a Z-Cars set and shot the wife's reaction on a real set.
Wow, got to say, I never thought that revoting little homunculus could be more creepy but boy was I wrong. The updated effects were just gorgeous, elevating the entire production while maintaining the 70s feel. Brilliant.
4:57 i love how the doll speeds up as it approaches Farrell!! also i didn't realise the tin-foily Nestene in the original was supposed to be a Nestene "squid" 😁😁😁
If you listen to the 5.1 surround mix, you can hear his little feet on the wooden floor!
@@MartyOGormanAw!
Love the materialising Nestene - as the Target Novelisation says: 'Somewhere between crab, spider, and octopus'. It now looks like the cover of the book. Great work there. The troll doll is still beautifully horrid, but now unmarred by obvious CSO borders. Excellent.
colour temperature adjustments of the backdrops, chroma-key border adjustments, perspective adjustments. God this is really a true labor of love. It's AMAZINGLY well done! :D Even such minor subtle things can be VERY time consuming to so but i love how it's being done here. It really feels seemless.
0:53 The thing I remember most about this story is that guy slowly and methodically eating his hard boiled egg 🤣
It was a damn tasty egg
I think he was fed up with them, he was complaining about them so I think he was eating it slowly because he simply was putting up with it :D
@@dlarge6502 His wife should have given him some nuts to go with it.
"Hard boiled eggs and nuts. HMMMM!"
Nice trick with the troll doll; now you've got a whole new generation of kids, who won't go to bed with their teddy bears.
When I was a kid, I'd have loved the new one. The old one looked like the sort of cheap muck an unloveable great-aunt in the 70s would buy you, and therefore absolutely repellent.
Where are they taking us? Some sort of quarry?
A quarry? In 70s Who? I'm shocked!
Excellent work. This is how it should be done. Keep the original shots intact and just fix what didn't work. I am really looking forward to seeing Invasion of the Dinosaurs if the new effects are of this calibre.
The scenes with the doll look great! He looks more like a stop motion clay figure now, than a guy wearing a costume.
Really happy to see that they did as much as they could to remove most of the colour bleeding and some instances improve picture quality. Making one of best Classic Who serials even better. Looking forward to seeing those techniques replicated across an eventual season 7 release, someday.
The new effects on these sets really have been superb. 90% is stuff a casual viewer would never even know about. The appearance of the Nestene squid was a real surprise
I can't help wishing they'd made it a bit more alien looking, though. I just think of Calamari.
@@Benjiesbeenbetter. I like that they've tied it to its previous design from spearhead
@tardiselliottrailers Yeah, there is that. Maybe I've watched too many undersea wildlife documentaries!
8:28 I NEVER KNEW THAT WAS NESTENE OH MY GOD
oh my goddd the replacing eyes on the mask and that one shot where they mix the cgi nestene with the cso yates are both brilliant
*OH MY SHUB-NIGGURATH THAT NESTENE IS BEAUTIFUL I LOVE IT SO MUCH*
This looks great, the now larger doll is proper creepy. I like the new Nestine, very inkeeping with its description and the Auton spin offs.
"some sort of quarry" so they're going to space then?
Bring on "Invasion of the Dinosaurs" for an effects update ! Hopefully
Totally agree that story would drastically improve with modern CGI.
IMO to do that justice it would have to be done with animated puppets, either green screen rod motion or hand animated stop motion, and as it really only needs to be the T Rex and that fight with the brontosaurus, because they just don’t work at all, that’s not beyond doable, but very hard compared to going full CGI, which seldom fits.
I would think a mixture of the original footage plus digitally comped-in fixes would be best, Cunningmunki stylee, but it’s not an easy ask.
Ideally I would love them all to be done in a professional Harryhausen style, but y’know, I can dream.
It’d cost a lot of time, skill and money to do it justice, so I imagine that’s why they’re holding it back.
I like the orginal effects they are so shit it's charming and enjoyable
@@Lumibear. Better not have it done at all than a botch job that people will be ridiculing in ten years.
Color Separation Overlay (ChromaKey in the USA) was such a mixed blessing. It allowed instant compositing, making previously difficult effects shots easy to do in the studio, but introduced artifacts that are obvious to everyone these days.
CSO's artefacts have alway's been easy to see but then CSO is easy an cheap to do.
Without CSO you need to vast sets an props, Or you can CSO in model shots, now your actor are on a spaceship or castle.
@@SuperFunkmachine Or you would need to make a matte painting, which you can see in some episodes of Doctor Who, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, and even the first Star Wars film (before they digitally bastardized it).
@2LaneTraveler those matte paintings for Star Wars should heve ended up in a museum. They were beautiful.
Nice subtle improvements to all the CSO scenes in that story. Its always been my view that they went OTT with the use of blue screen in that story.
Best improvements:
That monstrous plastic puppet. Looked a lot more realistic.
The appearance of the octopus type thing in the final scenes.
Thanks for posting.
I dunno. The New CGI troll doll is really well done and fantastically sympathetic to the existing footage, but there's something about that original version; the way it unsteadiky gets to its feet and almost seems to brush itself down... It's almost like a toddler, in a really grotesque sort of way, and all the creepier for it.
I think both versions are very creepy, in their own way.
@@alicec1533 I guess there's an element of bias. Things that scared you as a kid do tend to leave you with chills even decades later.
I'm a bit old to be scared by the new doll now.
I see the original as a guy trying not to fall over. The new cgi one however looks like it is actually plastic and it looks like a toddler especially when it runs to its kill!
I think the new one is sort of ugly cute. Or cute ugly. Whatever the phrase is.
The original had just the right horrible 70s plastic tat quality to it. The cheap crumply plastic you'd get on lucky bag toys.
Now THAT is how you improve old effects!
The Nestene in those final shots is very impressive; makes me wish there was a Doctor Who adventure involving H.P Lovecraft where the Nestene becomes the inspiration for Cthulhu.
Well there is BF's Lurkers at Sunlight's Edge and the whole dr nyarlathotep thing.
"Chewbacca-coocoo" ?
Thanks for this excellent comparison. Can't wait to see the full episodes myself, with what looks like one of the best upgrades yet. I really hope that when it comes to Invasion of the Dinosaurs, we'll be equally impressed!
Hope they do the same on underworld
Fantastic, I did hope someone would do a comparison. Didn’t expect it so quick, I’ve only watched the first two episodes so far (though I’d already had a quick nosey at the effects).
The troll doll is so creepy now in it’s movement, and the giant squid a great nod to the book.
But total credit for all the work put in to fixing the cso fringing, perspective shots and background focus.
This is probably the most impressive restoration yet.
Probably my favourite restoration effects, very nicely done and unobtrusive. Nice work putting them all together- I like the approach they took with the new effects.
And to think I only watched this in black and white originally.
So much cso in this one and they have done a great job
Excellent enhancements. And this is a real classic from the best era of true Doctor Who. Well done for making it look better than ever 👍
I have to agree with many of the comments here. Very well done effects replacement. Subtle and not in your face or out of place, like many of the other attempts have been. A credit to the restoration team!!!
I love the subtle changes they've made! Especially the green screen effects :D
*Yellow screen but close enough
@@DanTheMan2150AD *blue screen but close enough
@@capnkatie it’s yellow, in many of the behind the scenes shots of the era due to the use of blue on Pertwee's costume.
At least you get option to watch the original version. Unlike other franchises.
One thing I miss on cars, the wing vents. Use to get so much air from them.
Fantastic. Loved watching some of this late Monday night. I can’t wait to watch the rest of it.
I had so many nightmares about that doll thing when I was a kid
Love the improved doll FX!
Amazing work throughout, but particularly on the new background plates for the in-car shots. I wonder if they went back to the original locations to reshoot them in order to get them as authentic as possible? Either way, these new effects are almost perfect; refined, polished, logical, but above all sympathetic to the tone of the original show -- as it should always be!
As an aside, it's criminal that such hard work has never (to date) been given a shoutout on the Blu-ray extras. I'd rather have an extra about the creation of updated special effects for all the stories that have them in place of, say, the Behind the Sofa featurettes. The same goes for the aural magic that Mark Ayres performs for the optional 5.1 mixes. The fact he can craft convincing surround mixes from a composite monaural mix is quite amazing and, again, worthy of being discussed in the extra features.
@@DrWhoFanJ - I love any and all interviews and documentaries with surviving cast and crew members, especially those conducted anew for the Blu-rays, and I enjoy the Behind the Sofa videos when they feature the individuals involved with the original show. But when the Behind the Sofa videos feature people from "New Who" or anyone that has nothing to do with the original show, than I am immediately disinterested. It's just padding, for me.
Brilliant work on the effects, they seem to be getting better every time, the blue screen work must be very time consuming to correct it.
Echoing others, whilst all of the new effects are excellent (and sympathetic, which is important), the doll is by far the best of the bunch. That, and the Nestene at the end, are probably the most anticipated!
The best use of updated effects (After Dalek Invasion of Earth) ever used on the DW range.
Thank you! I love these videos!
The CGI doll looks great. Even creepier and a perfect realization of the original intent.
There’s something very unsettling about the original auton doll in the way it moves that just works
I haven't even got my copy yet and you've already made a video on it :O
Nicely done new effects. Does this mean SPEARHEAD FROM SPACE will also get an overhaul to match up to this? The infamous foam tentacles, ensnaring the gurning Doctor, may be a challenge to fix.
I think if anything it’ll be Ambassadors that gets the new effects.
Quite impressive, some of it simply done such as the color separation overlay with the background (a field) not being in sharp focus with the foreground (the doctor/brigadier etc) being in sharp focus. The octopus shaped thing on those satellite dishes was a vast improvement though
God I miss Delgado. He was taken from us far too early :(
Same. I always get so sad thinking about his death :(
I have never heard a bad thing about him. Everyone described him as such a sweet and kind man.
Pertwee once said Roger was the nicest man alive but was afraid of his own shadow.
Wow, there were more changes than I realised! Great work!
Great updates, Really looking forward to getting my Season 8 set. Maybe here tomorrow. If only on the Season 10 set the fixed the CSO on The Green Death instead of Planet of the Daleks
The troll doll effects are incredibly better than the original! Same with the nestene creature at the end, Never even knew what it was supposed to be in the original lol altho i think the shrunk guy in the luch box looked slightly better in the original
The novelisation has the Nestene as an octopus or squid-like creature, so it's nice to see it realised onscreen.
Haven't got my copy yet but this looks like a fantastic update!
Excellent job of hiding the old CSO edges, and the new doll is as creepy as the Target novel.
I remember this story as a young kid and was scared stiff with the doll!
Wow, solid improvements all around this time. Much better then what they did with Planet of Fire.
It seems the majority of these are just smoothing out the green screen and improving the backgrounds. Quite subtle, but brilliant stuff.
Funny thing is, when the Nestene was just a blobby glowy lump, I thought it was quite effective. When I saw the cgi, I just thought, "Why would a squid be flying?"
Wonderful, Dan. Thank you for being so fast!👍🏼
I'm disappointed by Mrs. Farrell's CSO kitchen. I hoped they'd really go to town. 😂
Nice to see that there fixing Sco bleeding. If can do a bit off putting on certain episodes
Now these are the types of effects I fully support. Not knocking the attempts done with certain dvd releases in the past, but some of the prior updates actually distracted as they added effects that didn't fit seamlessly into the story.
Here, it is the total opposite. These updates are so seamless you'd be hard pressed to notice them on first viewing (only the kitchen, the doll and the nestene are ones I immediately noticed). The work done to the backgrounds, improving the lighting and removing the CSO fuzziness is first rate.
Great work all round and it has me excited to see what they can do in the future. They are only going to get better.
This is godly whenever there's a remaster they always add these unnecessary extended cg scenes but this this is brilliant
All that CSO work!
Great job very hopeful for a watchable version of “Underworld” now 🙂
Looks like great work.
These look surprisingly good actually.
The one effect they could have done better was when the Doctor and Jo were in the back of the police car and he pulled off the mask to reveal an Auton beneath. In both the original and 2021 redub its painfully obvious its an Auton with a fake mask on
No idea how I got here... I don't mean biologically, but I mean this video?
But if what I read in the description is true, are you seriously telling me I can now have a 5:1 BBC monophonic synth turned up to 11 on my system?
This really is the most excellent news... THANK YOU! 🏆🇬🇧 (STRAIGHT TO AMAZON)
5:52 Here we go again, Doctor Who and quarries😄
"Oh LOOK! Rocks!"
I missed out on the Blu-Ray box set, so I'm hoping to have a separate issue of the updated Terror of the Autons as a "Special Edition" sometime in the future.
I think that is unlikely to happen. By all accounts, the current Blu-Ray collection will be the final physical disc release for Classic Who. I'm sure it will be placed on a streaming service one day though.
@@Rocket1377 Streaming will do me fine :)
@@ftumschk it is it's on britbox
You will get the standard bluray release just like with the others
5:51 is me watching basically every classic story lmao
EXCELLENT!!!
Well done
That doll looks legitimatly creepy
A contender for the best new effects to date
After watching the first episode without the updated effects, I decided to watch the other episode with them. While I respect the classic effects for what they are, I think the new effects are definitely better. Especially the puppet animation is a vast improvement.
Excellently updated! Way, way better than George Lucas revisiting his original Star Wars films, especially with the Nestene creature on the satellite dishes.
It feels like an unfair comparison with Lucas tbh, considering the originals of those films aren't available in an official capacity in a way that's easy. With Classic Who they always make sure to include the originals.
The update on this story is truly terrific, there has been an incredible level of restraint so if you watched it without knowing it was a special version, you could believe it was the 1971 original - Nestene squid at the end excepted, perhaps. The CGI troll is brilliant though and doesn't look too computery at all, it just blends in so well. Brilliant brilliant work.
Wow you can actually see the the nestene.
Great improvement with the green screen shame I don't have a blu ray player but I do have Terror of the autons on dvd.
Dude if you have a Xbox one or a PlayStation you can watch blue ray
Classic "hide behind the sofa" Dr Who
This convinced me to get the season 8 blu ray the Remasters actually look remastered here and terror of the autons having New CGI and CSO clean up is a dream come true.
0:23 - That guy looks like Michael Grade.
For decades I was far too embarrassed to watch this episode. The original FX were so ineptly realized. It was a rare example of an episode rendered nearly unwatchable by the abysmal production values. I am amazed at the care and effort put into this enhancement. It vaults Terror up into my “must see episodes!” Next up needs to be Planet of Dinosaurs, please!
Pretty sure Invasion Of The Dinosaurs will get the full update FX treatment when they do season 11.
They originally budgeted to do it with the DVD release, but they decided to funnel it into recolouring episode 1. The update here with the Troll Doll has convinced me they'll pull it off.
@5:52 “where are they taking us?” “some sort of quarry..” To film the next scene set on an alien planet then! LOL! And the recompositing (I think that’s the proper term) of the CSO background shots is very welcome! I’m curious where they came from as its obviously the same locations yet they are different (different wallpaper, updated equipment/furniture yet still from decades ago…it’s like they went back to the original locations and took new background insert photos…yet only a few years after the original was filmed, not recently and certainly not CGI otherwise I’d think the wallpaper, dishes, furniture would be the same, not a few years later in terms of decor.
I recently bought the Season 8 boxset and I might actually try watching Terror of the Autons with the updated effects this time around. Unlike some stories where the new stuff looks out of place, most of these additions look like they would have been possible to do in 1971 if they'd had a bit more time and the budget had been bigger.
I'm confused. I just watched all of this with the new Blu Ray & it only had the original effects. How do I watch with the new effects on?
You have to go into the Special Features and there’s an option to turn it on there.
@@DanTheMan2150AD thanks :)
I like that they've improved the green screens, because that's what bothered me the most about the serial, almost like a fever dream. However, effects aside, the original doll scene is always going to have a special place in my heart :)
I didn;t really like the effect of the Nestenes arriving on Earth at the end; the whole point is that they are a disembodied force of energy, with no physical form, unless they occupy and animate plastic. The original effect reflects this, the new on eis just a dodgy squid
As with Logopolis, some of these look almost as convincing as the originals.
1:40 was he meant to be flying like Mary Poppins or did they just time mess up camera zoom? XD
He’s meant to be. As indicated by the dialogue
We have the whole BBC orchestra, should I let them know we need incidental music? Nah....we have a synthesizer!
Back in the days where they couldn’t afford the orchestra...
I grew up with these background synth bits and bobs that today I'd love a cd full of them so that they can form part of my ambient noise in the house as i make breakfast :D
I'm always of mixed mind when it comes to new effects -- they do look better, but it's so nice to see what was possible back then, and how they managed to put together a good show with relatively few tools. But I have to admit that matching the color balance on the CSO backgrounds is a damned blessing. It's subtle, but that was distracting even when they were broadcast.
I usually despise CGI additions but that nestene renditon is gorgeous
These effects look amazing! But unfortunately I predict that in a few years it will be compared to the special editions of the Star Wars OT.