Doctor Who: The Five Doctors Effects Comparison [Redux]
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2023
- In 2023, The Five Doctors received a brand new edit, including re-edited scenes, a new 7.1 sound mix and new CGI effects for its Blu-ray debut. Here is a comparison between the 2023 footage alongside the 1983 original and 1995 special edition footage.
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Just noticed that at 8:15 the corresponding years disappear and at 8:47 the year changes at the wrong time… whoops
Looks like your redux comparison needs a redux.
You could have made it a little clearer as to which video is from which year you know
@@CricketEnglandit’s top and bottom
That spinning hexagon time scoop is so much better in keeping with both the spirit of the original as well as the theme of Gallifreyan aesthetics.
Yeah I didn't like the crystal poop emoji
ehh I don't know. the original effect has a creepy abstract appeal, while the 90s version has that cheesy early cg charm. I don't think the 2023 version really captures what made either one appealing, it's the worst of both worlds.
@acefilms1992 - ‘creepy abstract appeal’ . . . I still prefer the spinning elongated hexagon which seems highly reminiscent of some modern UFO sightings but you’re certainly not wrong there ay . . .
@@whophdIn the commentary, Terrance Dicks disparagingly calls it “Casper the Fwiendwy Ghost”! 😂
@@acefilms1992
A featureless spinning hexagon is far more creepy and abstract that what is clearly just a triangular matte cutout.
I love the 2023 edition, it truly feels like the best parts of each previous versions melded together, plus the extended scope makes it feel really cinematic. My favourite change has to be the different tardises demating out of 5's, really love that bit of continuity!
I love additions of the planets in the sky, rassilon robot jump flips, lasers destroying cybermen and 4th dr time freeze images. Also the smoothness of the fade outs and new spinning obelisk is such an improvement. Glad all 3 are still available. I saw the original in the 80s on TV so it holds a special place.
*Raston.
They missed a trick on the 2023 version by not including Clara in Bessie’s wing mirror when the Third Doctor is captured
Ew no 🤮
The only thing I would have asked is, "How?"
True but that technically was a rewrite of time so by very, VERY technical circumstance she would not have been there the first time round (wibbly wobbly timey whimey)
@@danyaelle1753 the event itself of the five doctors also is a bit of a Time rewrite the fourth doctor getting stuck is what causes there to be multiple versions of shada at least that's my head Cannon it happens the first time with him and Romina and then again with 8 and Romina
I think the 40th Anniversary edition of The Five Doctors is my favourite. It keeps what works from the previous remaster but keeps elements from the original edit. I particularly like the new effect for as the various Doctors leave with it now being The Tardis exteriors from their own eras.
I love when the new effects take the original idea and polish them up instead of creating something brand new and too modern. The new time scoop is a perfect update.
Interesting to see. I do actually prefer all of the exterior views of The Tower of Rassilon from 1983 though.
Yeah I wish they kept the mini model for some of the close up shots
It's fantastic that all these versions are available, regardless of which ones an individual prefers. Some other franchises should take note.
Thanks for this. I love love love the different TARDISes departing at the end of the 2023 edition.
Still a missed opportunity not to have an establishing shot of the Timelord Citadel with a distant glowing white energy barrier in the distance covering the Death Zone to explain the grey Welsh sky.
I love the new effect for 4 and Romana being trapped!
For once, it looks like they're trapped in a separate place with the same clothes on while panicking.
Also, the TARDISes being the different versions at the end was a nice touch.
My biggest problem with the newest version is that they replaced the nice model of the tomb of rassilon with a cgi version that probably wont age well
06:20 is one of my favourite shots, with the aqueduct like bridge looming in the background.
Imho, The Five Doctors could benefit from even more new FX of that nature.
The Death Zone landscape is just so clearly British countryside.
It needs to look more alien, with old ruins, crashed spacecraft, craters, evidence of the ancient war Games.
Perhaps even, colour correct it to make it more similar to the orange-skied Gallifrey of Nu-Who.
2:48 might be the best way of showing Tom and Lalla for this story. Far better than either version, definitely. The rest is very much up to opinion. Some I like more than the 1995 version, some I think the 1995 version is better at capturing the effect.
And I agree. The punch is my favourite addition.
3:11
I dunno but.. I kinda prefer both the 83 and 95 version over the newest version. The tower looks so ominous.
5:22
I also prefer the old console screen display. It just.. *feels right*, ya know? Like it feels like it just makes sense that it'd look like that. The new version is *too new.*
7:57
I prefer the electric type effect from the 95 version. It feels like it would just hurt more. The 2023 beam and 83 beam are just kinda.. dancing around in the same spot and miss a lot.
9:25
Say what you will about the 83 and 95 versions looking extremely simple. But the 2023 effect looked so smudged.
"Say what you will about the 83 and 95 versions looking extremely simple. But the 2023 effect looked so smudged."
The effect of the Fifth Doctor escaping the Cybermen is much better in the older versions. It looks bad in the new version.
Ah, The Brigadier. Blowing up Yeti, taking down Daleks, shooting Autons, killing Cybermen, and punching The Master. Nicholas Courtney was there for every Doctor from Troughton (2nd) to McGann (8th). There will never be another character in Who that equals his run and mark on the show.
Nick was also there for Hartnell, as Bret Vyon, but was also there for the 1st Doctor as this story shows.
Overall I like it, mostly, though they made a slip up at around 5:40, the new digital matte slips a few pixels and cuts off the top of the Brigadier’s hair.
Plus a couple of scenes of the raston warrior robot without new cgi jumps
I do like how the 2023 has the 4th Doctor and Romana wearing the right clothes. But if they were gonna use the 1983 footage for the resolution, they should’ve added the Time Scoop flying away. I can’t wait to view this story for myself when it releases in the US!!!
I managed to watch the 2023 edition last week. It was fun, and definitely an improvement on the TV version in terms of visual effects. But my preference will still be the 1995 Special Edition, because I prefer the way the scenes are structured and edited in that version. Also, I prefer the 'whirlpool' version of the Time Scoop, which frightened me as a kid, and I always rather liked the original model of the Dark Tower. Plus, the electric chessboard and the music from the harp of Rassilon are better in the 95 version. 😁
Tower definitely looks better on the 1995 one.. Luckily we have all three.
I agree on everything except for the time swirl. The new one is really impressive
The 40th Anniversary edition is my favorite hands down, but I like all three, and am glad they are all in the boxset.
I have to say, the 2023 version is really impressive! Staying close to the original yet enhancing the visuals. The only thing I believe the 1995 did well was the phantoms when they vanished. The time scoop in the original, I loved how each person seemed in pain, following the idea of the Death Zone being a brutal place.
I was thinking the same, the phantoms vanishing and the fifth Doctor's fading in and out were better in the 1995 version in my opinion, and I kind of liked how the '95 version of the timescoop returning the 4th Doctor and Romana dropped them back where they were taken from, but otherwise it's generally great. Doctor 3's lasso shot looks to be a bit crazy as the tower looks so far away in the 2023 version, but generally the tower shots look more consistent with each other in that version than the other ones.
I love the Master's fall to the ground, when the Brigadier punches him. Makes me laugh every time
While I do love some of the newer effects on the 40th anniversary edition. Especially new Time Scoop & the Individual TARDISes departing. That’s honestly beautiful.
But I’ll always prefer the 25th special edition. For adding additional scenes and much better score. Plus it was the first one I watched.
I miss the spinning triangle.
Excellent work. Nice to see the comparisons. Cheers for posting.
Thank you SO much for this.
The new effects are really superb. Really keep with the spirit and aesthetic of the original but make it look acceptable to modern eyes. The updated graphics on the Tardis computer screen look so good too, so much better than what was possible in the 80s but still fit into the shot and universe so naturally.
Really great work.
I agree
Some of those modern effects are awesome! The 3D scan on the tardis monitor looks great, and the masking of 5’s hand as he points at the screen is flawless
1:45 the looping clip of them running in the 2023 version 😂
they def cooked with the new one. I also think it's great that we now have three versions to compare.
5:04 it's getting closer.
6:25 Does that feel good?
Cyber man: ah
Man, can the Master leg it across rough terrain or WHAT. Lol. 😆
It actually makes me wish there was the 1995 edit with the 2023 SFX...!
I really like the new effects created for it, but, I miss some of those extended edit 1995 scenes a bit too much.
LOL that sound the cyberman makes at 6:25
The only addition to the new effects I wish they'd made was adding a laser beam and explosion to Susan's pratfall when she leaves the Tardis. Very nice upgrades. I like the more subtle approach better than some of the more in-your-face stuff we had some years ago.
2:53 I love the small detail of the floating hexagon in the 2023 version leaving a mark on the ground when grabbing Sarah. A nice attention to detail
Wonderful, Dan👏 I've been anticipating this video😎
The TARDIS console screen is a really good effect (must have taken some rotoscoping). And I like the subtle windows added to the back of the shot when the Cybermen are on the Pi floor. I liked the cloudy dematerialisation of the phantoms from the 1995 version though.
I'm glad you captured all of Turlough's contributions to this story for this video :D
I love the new time scoop, realised as that very solid looking obelisk. A beautiful additional detail are the new crop circles it leaves on the grass for the 1st and 2nd Doctors and Sarah Jane. Also, how they've remade the Death Zone landscape is very clever in order to show the Doctors approaching it from different directions, rather than that same view obscured by dry ice.
Nicely done!
When the doctor is pointing to the screen on the console, you can still see bits of pink around his finger from the original graphics lol
This might explain why the commentary-only edition of the Rifftrax on this special is taking so long to be released
Love the new new effects 👍
Awesome! Thanks
4:20 Still the best Dalek Death scene ever in every version.
I love the 2023 edition, the only thing I think the other special edition does better is the scene where Tom Baker is put back. With Shada now being a completed story it doesn't make much sense putting him back later in that story, whereas the special edition sticks him right back rowing.
I like it as it adds to the head cannon of originally. The fourth doctor version happened , but due to the five doctors , it altered time so that the eighth doctor version happened
If you didn't know there was an eighth doctor version of shada , it was a webcomic
The new shot compositions look great along with most of the other effects, the new Dalek effects turned out really well! One of my only gripes would probably be the new TARDIS console screen, I think the old, pixelated display suits it better in my opinion. Also, I'm not sure why they changed the sign outside of UNIT, it kind of sticks out and I don't really see why they needed to add the modern MOD and UNIT logos to replace the old sign. Other than that, I loved this! If, as I am led to believe, this was all made by one guy, I tip my hat to him!
That is a bit odd if we wanted to add more realism or something they would just get rid of the great big sign pointing everyone to their secret base
1995 is still my favorite. While the new time scoop in the 2023 version is kind of cool, I don't like the new look of Rassilon's tower.
The new effects look amazing!
Not all of them.
@@pferreira1983 Most of them do tho
@@DoctorWhoFAs Half of them I feel do.
my two favourite bits in the new version are the new doctor and romana "trapped" footage and the bridge across to the tower
ooh ooh and just noticed i also love the way the punt gets pushed down and then pops back up at 2:45 😁
All so the special edition version of the five doctors was the first doctor who dvd to be released it came out on dvd in 1999 I have got it on dvd
It only took 40 years but the time scoop doesn't look dumb as hell. Finally
While most of these are a dramatic improvement, I feel the Raston Warrior Robot loses something with the addition of an effect. Not sure why.
The original will always be my favourite, but I really like what they did with the 40th anniversary version FX wise. The 95 version has some nice added scenes like the empty tower shots , but overall the extended scenes go on too long, Mr Whippy isn’t as effective as the black shape , and the less said about the scene of Sarah chucking a rock at the Cybermen the better...
Nice comparison video 👍
I wonder what it would look like with the exterior shots colour graded to match the burnt orange skies we now know gallifrey for. Otherwise all these additions seem really cool, *thwack* (I do prefer the practical model of the tower though)
The image of red skies and silver trees predate this actually they come from the episode The sensorites which is a first doctor story but Gallifrey occasionally does appear to have a blue sky
The 2023 version of the Time Scoop kind of resembles the Eye of Harmony from The Deadly Assassin. Just an observation.
I don't think that was the I think that was the control to manipulate the eye
1983 easily the best
I like most of the changes, the addition of the second version of the Unit logo was something I particularly liked, but I don't know about the updates to the computer screen graphics of Rassilon's tower. Feels a bit revisionist.
Yeah, it looks good but it’s not really in keeping with the general aesthetic. Looks too modern
@@silvrfruitLike, things like updating spaceship models, weapon effects like Dalek Blasts, the Time Scoop, I like all that. But changing the computer screens oddly feels too far.
@@TheSmart-CasualGamer I like updates that feel like they could have been done at the time if they'd had a bigger budget.
@@silvrfruitIt was considered for the 1995 SE, but it was considered to be beyond the budget for what wouldn’t have been much of an improvement only 12 years after the original.
So which images is from which year! You could have made it a little clearer
Brilliant summary, thank you so much! It kills me that US residents have to wait for the set to come out!
The ONLY complaint I have is they didn't go back an matte or composite something MORE treacherous-looking for when Sarah Jane goes tumbling down the gentle hill. Patching in a precipice or cliff, even for a few seconds, would have been awesome.
Overall, everything looked amazing. The Cybergun effect and Raston warrior effects are gorgeous!
The 5 doctors gives continuity too the second doctor being saved before his forced regeneration as a agent for the time lords outside of his allotted time, which is played out in the big finish episodes
While I love most of the new effects, the Raston Warrior felt far more effective blipping in and out of existence without the shiny CGI.
Wondering in another 10 years time what effects will they do? Will they have a new CGI Tom than old footage from Shada? Going back to 1983 original version, we see everyone how they were captured but, as for Susan we never see her get to the Death zone?
If only Tom Baker could have been in this :(
The effects from the 2023 version are by far my favourite, as they attempt to combine the original and 1995 versions and do so really well - particularly the timescoop. The black obelisk looks way better than either of the other versions but is still similar to the original. I also like the improvements to some of the other effects which may look a bit dated - the random lasers in the scene with 3, sarah jane, and the master; the chessboard floor scene; the cybermen's guns; and the dalek lasers. However, so many of the new effects seem totally pointless, such as replacing the original shots of the dark tower with new CGI; I quite like the original model shots. Also the addition of planets in the sky in the eye of orion scenes, and the change to the transmat effect - the original looked fine, there was no reason to change it. Finally, I prefer the inclusion of the Shada footage continuing on from the scene they were taken from, as in the 1995 special edition, since the original version of the story is now canon. The 2023 version going back to the original footage used makes no sense if Shada is to continue being canon in its current form.
The 2023 has a number of things that are inferior because they used the 1983 version as a source.
I might think of one solution. Want to hear it.
@@disneyboy3030 Feel free.
First it was the Vicious Triangle, then the Ominous Shroud, and now the Chess Piece of Doom.
Still my fave dalek death to this day. The rest all seem so hollow.
4:22 - after decades of pleading, they FINALLY fix the effect of seeing the Tower in the background, instead of black background studio space!! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I still prefer the 1995 version of the Time Scoop effect...
Wait, was the Cyberman Aaaah cut from the 2023 version or the 1995 version? Thank you the side by side comparison. I might get the new version after seeing all the improvements.
Cut from the 95 version. Reinstated for the 23 version.
@@DanTheMan2150AD Good I love 💕 that Aaahh. It shows a lot of emotion for a Cyberman. 😆 It always makes me laugh 🤭 as well as every line between the Brigadier and Troughton.
where would i be able to watch the 1983 version? I can only find newer ones
DVD/ Blu-ray I assume
The Collection box sets have all versions of any revamped episode, from the original to the latest, all restored.
with A1 CGI AND DEEPFAKE this could be done adding Tom Baker and other companions and aliens villains monsters a whole new 5 doctors can be re-done. come on BBC do it
Very interesting! Can I ask, is the 95 version presented on the set in HD sourced from the film? Or is it just the dvd release upscaled? Thanks
It’s HD
@@DanTheMan2150AD Thank you!
Not so sure of the Rassilon voice,but otherwise great
Why is the Dalek death ray purple in the 2023 version?
No idea
As an American fan, it is reported thAt we will not get this Collection until Jan’2024 - happy Who not-60th 🙄
There are a number of fine creative additions, visual and sound in this new edit. Want to view in total, to enjoy!
I first saw “Five Doctors” in Dec’1985 on my local PBS. I’m from the time of 1969. First viewed random Tom Baker episodes in 1981. It took until 1991 to see all of McCoy. I saw McGann, in ‘96, when I was in Graduate degree. And, I drove from south Ohio, up across into Windsor CA’, booked hotel, to see “Rose” in April, 2005 on Canadian TV.
Yet, wait for months after for the Blu-sets.
…thanks for the comparison video, Who made this. 🙃
Took me a bit of time to work out which year was which 😅
The 2023 version isnt too bad, but i didn't like how they reinstated the 1983 shada footage and having the Doctors leave in the Tardis. In the 1995 version, the 4th Doctor and Romana are returned to the Thames River and the other Doctors leave via Time Scoop.
Had they kept those two at the end, it would've been perfect.
Unpopular opinion: I prefer the original 1983 version. It’s what I grew up watching.
Not a fan of the new, more accurate colour grading for the film sequences of THE FIVE DOCTORS. They’re all over the place - not very consistent. I much prefer the grading from the 2008 SE DVD of THE FIVE DOCTORS, even if it’s revisionist.
Some nice additions to the 40th anniversary cut - the Raston Robot CGI is nice, as is the Cybermen guns firing. But I still prefer the extended 1995 SE for THE FIVE DOCTORS.
At some point, I’ll do my own edit that takes the more successful CGI replacements from the 40th and drop them into the 1995 SE.
Rassilon in his Daddy Pig phase
with A1 CGI AND DEEPFAKE this could be done adding Tom Baker and other companions and aliens villains monsters a whole new 5 doctors can be re-done
No thanks
@@DanTheMan2150AD no thanks, so you don't like TOM BAKER then the best ever DR WHO
@@user-jj4sq6dr1n no thanks as in I’m against the use of AI and Deepfakes in order to fundamentally change a whole story for no reason.
I know the 1995 version has different dialogue compared to the 1983 version in some places. Can anyone tell me if the 2023 version has any dialogue changes compared to the '83 version?
It doesn’t
I've never had a problem with the look of the original at all.
It's weird to me that they're so fixated on tinkering with this effect tbh
6:25 “ough”
Brilliant video, cant wait until the standard packaging blu ray is released so I can afford it! I cant find the voice comparison video for rassilon though?
Check the little I in the top right when the moment first starts.
Get the proper editions or don’t bother.
@@DrWhoFanJ who the hell do you think you are.
@@kaledmasterme An intelligent person DtM hates because I call him out on his nonsense. (That’s also why he hearted your comment falsely attacking me for no reason; he always does that to anyone who responds negatively towards me, yet constantly claims he doesn’t hate me at all whilst actively proving he does.)
@DrWhoFanJ my dear narcissist, dictating someone else's shopping habits in a gatekeeping manner is reason enough for me to be incensed.
As it is, though it really is none of your business, buying the "proper" releases would be an expensive waste of packaging due to how I display my collection.
The original black spinning triangle is still the best.
Hmm I'm kinda mixed on the new FX for the 2023 version. I like the new cybermen gun FX and ditched the dumb slow mo dalek blowing up with that squeal sound. Though kinda a down grade it's not the exstended version and rather a remaster of the orignal 80s cut. Also don't like how the 2023 version kept the rather random and poorly edited in shot from Shada when the 4th Doctor was freed from the time vortax, i prefered it in the 90s version were he's shown being reterned to his Gondola. Also can't belive they add that generic stock punch sound effect when the Master gets knocked out XD
I dunno, I kinda prefer seeing 4 looking happy and triumphant before running off with Romana. Seeing him at a distance on the gondola doesn’t feel as satisfying.
@@EditedAF987 well maybe if they had added a flash transition or glowing effect or somthing when cutting to that Shada clip to make it look more like the 4th Doctor was being freed then it maight have worked, rather then just abruptly cutting away to it.
My only problem with the season 20 boxset is that some of the effects wonder off the 4:3 ratio and in this episode, the effects for the Raston Warrior Robot are forgotten in one scene and is literally it popping in and out, no effect. Other than that, amazing!
There's definitely some stuff I enjoy more about the '95 version, but over-all the 2023 one is very, very good
So uh, why did they revert to the 1983 TX resolution for the Shada scenes? It doesn't work anymore.
I’ve no idea
As a kid I loved the Dalek’s indiscriminate blasting but I prefer this modern (or ‘classic’), take with the beam rather than the bolts, plus the Dalek seems much more restrained when it’s firing less.
That time eddy has a serious identity crisis.
I prefer the 1995 version.
Can I but the new dvd with all the new effects anywhere?
It’s on the Season 20 Collection set
I hope they release this one solo.
Is the new 2023 edition available on DVD or on Streaming somewhere?
It’s on Season 20 The Collection
with the announcement of classic who on iplayer, I wonder which version they'll use
Wow that is good news.