FERRARI 599 GTB in Dubai! Should You Buy THIS Or an F12?
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- Опубликовано: 17 ноя 2022
- ‘Dune Find’ Ferrari 599 GTB in Dubai! Should You Buy a 599 Or F12? #DriveEveryFerrari | TheCarGuys.tv
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Time for an Arabian adventure with a ‘dune-find’ Ferrari 599 GTB and another episode of #DriveEveryFerrari.
TheCarGuys head to Dubai to explore the vibrant car scene and drive one of the forgotten Ferraris - often overlooked in favour of the F12 and the 575M. This particular sand-ravaged 599 was rescued from the desert and completely restored by its owner.
The big question is - what’s the 599 like to drive? How does it compare to the F12. Which would you rather buy? What’s the history of the 2-seater front-engined V12 Ferrari? And what does the Enzo-derived 6 litre V12 sound like at full chat? All these questions and more will be covered in this week’s episode.
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As a former 360 and 430 owner who owns a 599 now, I think the 599 is currently the best value V12 ferrari by far, really underrated. Imagine what you get: enzo engine, 330kmh, the best looks, a great GT. The F12 is probably as superior to the 599 as the 599 is superior to the 575, but right now you can get a 599 for 100-120k€ and and f12 starts at 200-220k€ so I don't really see the point in comparing them. I do see the point in comparing the 550-575 and 599 because they are currently the same price roughly.
Last comment, maybe the car you tried has not been properly restored suspension wise (geometry, set-up...). My 599 obviously doesn't have a 458 speciale chassis, but IMHO still goes surprisingly well in corners for a big GT. And think about it... the recent 2022 BMW M2 weights 1.750kg... which is more than a 599 :D
Totally agree. I own one as well and Damians review of the handling characteristics is all wrong. Chris Harris summed it up far better
Spot on!
Both amazing cars but I feel the 599 will age like a fine wine and will eventually be the more desirable of the two.
Another great instalment in the series. I think you're absolutely right. The 599 is the bang for buck V12 sleeper in the range (even though unattainable for most mere mortals). What a wonderful thing.
I own one as well as a 997.1 GT3. I’m not sure if the one Damian is driving here wasn’t really totally rebuilt to the highest standard and the suspension isn’t the best. But I have to disagree totally about the handling.
Put my 599 in race mode and it corners extremely well and on the limit it doesn’t feel overly intimidating in the dry. The traction control system works very well, sport gives you some slippage but I do feel it comes in too soon, race let’s the back end slide some more but corrects in a very predictable way.
As I said I also own a GT3 and I’m amazed what a 599 can do. The engine is a masterpiece. I have also owned a 360CS, 430 and many Porsches.
For me it’s a keeper and definitely a Ferrari that’s gone under the radar for a long time.
I think Chris Harris gives a better review of what it’s like to drive, the power and handling. And he owned one for a time.
Chris’s reviews of his 599 were awesome
I own a 599 as well and there must be something about this build because I agree 100% with you. I had a 430 and 360 before so I’m comparing to those and the handling imho is far better than what Damian describes
Have a 599 GTB in Dubai and also was quite nice performance on the track. Also purchased the Fiamenghi Headers which would make the car sound as Enzo but still they are in storage, not installed as I am now after a 991.1 GT3 for more track oriented days (never had a 911) . Both are here in similar price range.
I’m also 599 GTB owner having formerly owned a Challenge Stradale and numerous Porsches and would agree with most of the comments especially Damien’s experience was definitely tarnished by a poorly set up car (mine was similar when first acquired - very sensible to suspension set up, tyres and pressures) - see JEmm on Cars two review of a poorly set up 599 and a good one - night and day. For me having driven an F12 the 599 is far more analogue and exciting to drive whereas the F12 is no doubt much faster (if you can get the power down?!) but feels almost too good (suspect the 812 even more so) that the supercar experience is numbed. I feel very much the same about the more modern 911 turbos I have owned and recently in fact purchased an old 996 C4s and oddly far prefer the way it drives to all the more modern turbos I owned.
2:30 I vividly remember seeing the impressively slick functional flying buttress design for the first time at an auto show back in the day. It still makes the 599 stand out. On looks alone I far prefer the 599 to the 550, 575, or the F12.
The 599 was the 1st V12 that I actually noticed from Ferrari. Before that I was always dreaming and thinking of the V8 mid's.
These days I'm bored by the V8 mid's and can only dream of a front mid V12. I must be getting old, 599 is the one I desire the most.
No, you're not getting old, you just have taste. Enzo always preferred the front engine V12, and thought of it as a" True Ferrari ". Now that I have had my 599GTB for about 10 months now, still no regrets at all. Sure the F12 is newer, rawer, but I am more than satisfied with my 6L engine. Plus the F12 has a reputation for literally trying to kill you, if you don't respect it. I'd much rather go for the 812, the rear of the F12 looks ugly to me. But for beautiful classic lines, the 599 never disappoints, EVER.
Great video and honest review Damien as always although at present the difference in price between comparable F12’s and 599 GTB’s is c.£70k which in the real world doesn’t make these cars truly comparable. Both look great and have amazing engines however one is also definitely a rawer and more exciting driving experience largely due to its older single clutch gearbox and the other is far more digital although engineering wise bar for the steering a superior car (interior will/has date quicker) so the true choice I would say comes down to your driving expectations or preference but also for most simply your budget. Value wise I suspect the F12 has a small margin to fall and the 599 is undervalued (HGTE’s arguably less so - GTB certainly the bargain of the Ferrari world at present) and the gap between the two I would have thought at c.£20-£30k would be more appropriate- neither should ever be sub £100k cars simply due to their performance/looks/name/rarity.
It’s a very elegant design that has aged really well. The F12 is still a bit “instagram” if you know what I mean…. 599 for me. Great video and story.👍
Great review again! 599 GTO seems to be a masterpiece and this is its canvas. Prefer F12 but this has undeniable character. Wouldn’t buy F12 though because I prefer 812. 599 seems a lot bigger than the later cars though. It’s unusual that only one 2-seat model was produced from the 599 platform - that last happened with 365 GTB Daytona. 365/512 BB, Testarossa/512TR/512M, 550/575, F12/812.
Thanks
this is the best ferrari in terms of bang for buck. in additon, this is the last ferrari that can 'theoretically' be converted to a gated manual. you can buy it and have it converted and you have something very special if you add a brilliant or novitec exhaust, with a 599 gto tune. all in for cirica 100k
Bit more that… just the conversion is around 35k$
Either that green MINI is being driven by Jason Plato on speed, or else you have the “giving it the beans” clips out of sync with the video, as you never seemed to gain on it🤨
You decide 😂
It's the same owner as the Ferrari!
@@TheCarGuysTV hello Jason...
It’s a remapped Mini GP and is rather nippy 😉
I noticed the same thing....
This car depends on how well it was set up during it’s rebuild. A friend absolutely swore by his 599 as being much better than his 550. Also Ferrari added a Handling Pack later and for completeness, yourself & all of us, would benefit if you could include one of those in Drive every Ferrari. I’m sure we’d like to know if the Handling Pack made a real difference?
Many of us haven’t visited Dubai and your advice about speed-slowing humps is very useful! I live in Nottingham where speed humps & overhead averaging speed cameras rule in residential areas, but to put speed-slowing jumps on fast roads is just plain dangerous! I guess locals know where they are.
Your rundown on V12 history is really useful and the 330 GTC is worth a drive in for it’s nimble track handling!
Your series is inspiring & I feel I just want to take my Ferrari out for some beans too! Thanks!
To be fair the speed bumps are just before roundabouts or crossings and have plenty of signage before them.
Plenty of fast roads with no inhabiting items 😉
Try driving in London. Speed humps on main roads, and flower boxes/permits on side roads increasing daily....
I love this series it's not just informative but it's entertaining.. I always look forward to the next vlog in the series! Love it!
👍🏻👍🏻
Brilliant idea Damian, in Dubai you easily find every Ferrari to drive
Amazing work as always!
Love the 599 GT0, the GTB no so much, but a manual converted 599 is perfect! The last time Ferrari won F1 was 2008 the constructors championship the most important one! The drives championshit always came second
Didn't happen to watch the go cart race did ya?
Brilliant video by the way,
As usual.
With all this research and the driving experience, I sense a Car Guys Drive Every Ferrari book opportunity. I for one would buy it. Keep up the great work Damian.
An interesting idea
Another fabulous video from the car guys. 🎉
Thanks, mate
599, f12, 812....not fussy .
Local shell station will love me..
Epic as ever..thanks..
I would choose an F12 but I am biased. Enjoying the videos.
Ha! I immediately recognised Jason's car, used to see it most days! Great story!
Interesting video, another great episode. F12 on looks alone for me.
Great! Herr another fantastic Video, in which the watch you wear, is more than the car…😂 Is this the brand 🔥 new 5712-1R??? Amazing!! Thanks for Sharing this great Series!
You’re welcome, Christian
Great review
I had a 16M
then a 458
Then a 599
Daily drive each for approx a year
The 16M is still my number one drivers car ( epic )
tracked 458 and 16M ( 458 faster but 16M much more involving and fun )
599 didn’t work for me
I found it detached and also lots of body roll
Beautiful build but not involving
Very different car comparison all great especially the 16M - I have come out of a CS into a 599 and I am finding the 599 far more spikey and difficult to drive fast - what was your experience? Thinking my set up is out but of course the car dealer says it’s perfect and how they are??
Any interest in 812 replacement (F167) ? The last N/A V12 Ferrari? Great video cheers.
Great Car..!!! History Lesson and Super Trip..!! Cheers!
5712/R Damian - congrats. Hope we see a watch guys episode on this soon.
I could never decide if I loved the look of this car or actually hated it? It's very cool and distinctive though. Great vid Damian as usual. 👍🏻😃
Glad you liked it!
Looks nice a warm there 😀
Another great video. Hope everyone stayed for your history lesson at the end
I hope so too
Loving this series.
Thank you
Hmm, in the next decade's nanny state militant driving future with £5 per litre, a ICE classic may well be all out the engine. Having an Enzo derived V12 has gotta be a win
Having a 599 gtb for about 2,5 years now and having driver an f12 and 430 scud i can say that the handling is not as bad as you make it out to be, maybe it’s just that car?? Because the one i drove wasn’t miles of something like an f12 or scud, ofcourse it isn’t as sharp, but it’s not that it’s super floaty and all over the place.
I think it might be that it isn’t restored perfectly? Idk. Anyway, a good and nice to watch review!
The 599 gtb and the california are still great value imho. Less so in funny today's terms. And I don't mind a single clutch automated box. Flat shift under, like, half throttle and lift above. Give or take, per engine
Seen that a lot of people getting them fitted with manual transmissions now
good job bro love my 599 Dubai is on my list gear box takes getting use to
I think you need to have a go in that mini mate!
Natural law states that every front engine V-12 Ferrari is inherently worth buying.
you rock bro thanks
Cheers, Mike
Had one for 3 years. So much charisma. GTO only thing better
Interesting jaunt through front engined V12 Ferrari history, but you omitted one model … the 400/412. For some reason these were unloved, but they’re elegant and are finally starting to command decent prices.
This was for 2-seaters not 2+2s or 4 seaters
I'd love a lusso in brown.
Like Steve's.
Beautiful design
Sounds like Ferrari was trying to build a Hellcat
I saw a 288 in one of the shots! Are we getting a 288 GTO soon?
Al Qudra is fun! But you should get Jason to take you to Jebel Jais for a proper run…
Agreed
The answer is obviously both. Did you drive the 288 that I saw? I can’t wait for that one! (Please don’t confuse “descendant” with “ancestor.”)
When you say it was a twenty year wait for the 550 what about the 456 that came before the 550
Always loved the F12, never liked the 599, weird that.
It’s not an uncommon view
Always felt the opposite about the F12/599 - don’t like the look of the chopped off rear of the F12 just seems a little too short to me - 599 far more elegant on my eyes
@@simon5066 I totally agree, 599 looks so much better to me than the F12. The rear of the F12 is fugly in my view. But to each their own, "different strokes for different folks"
So, when you ‘gave it the beans’, how fast was that Mini going?’🤔
Well, it’s a) tuned, b) had a big head start, and c) the exterior footage isn’t from me doing the beans
Any more Smart Alec questions, Luke? 😀
@@TheCarGuysTV I’m loving the honesty Damian 😁
I always mentally refer to ‘giving the beans’ when Tiff Needell on Top Gear first opened up the throttle on the McLaren F1. Always look at the trees in the background.....😉👍🏾
@@Lukec4ge Yes that is a classic clip. I like the shot from behind where he lights up the rear tyres
@@TheCarGuysTV think I’ll revisit that old video today.
Have you reviewed an F1 yet? Not that I don’t love the #driveeveryferrari videos. I try to watch all your videos, but have occasionally missed one, such as your Daytona Spider review, that I just watched now….
Also, please review my Clio V6….😁
The Maranello, 550 or 575M, is way better looking than the 599.. sorry. It's got all the hallmarks of the great 250 era cars, cam tail from the GTO, bonnet air intake from the SWB, the 275 front gills. It's classic Pinifarina design. A 599HGTC just sold at auction for £62k + margin. A bargain.
A 575m sold at auction do you mean? Sounds very cheap what’s the catch? Where?
The best thing about driving a 599 is not having to look at it :)
F12 thanks, got 100 more bhp, dual clutch gearbox rather than automated manual and looks better as well.
The F12 is even better than the 599 GTO apart from not being so rare.
Despite giving it the beans you never managed to get near that Mini in front!!
That’s because the clips are deliberately not synced
Always loved Dubai. Full of petrol heads, you can wear a Rolex without getting stabbed, great food and you can jump in a cab and go to Ferrari world.
Yes - all of that 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I think you missed the 412
That’s not a 2-seater
Almost nothing sounds better than a 599 GTO
Not sure about that
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No, no, no. You cant just say that and not give an example!
@@captain_context9991 Sorry, I read it wrong. You are pretty much right.
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Yep!
Just don’t like the looks of the 599 GTB. And that’s a deal breaker for me, no matter how well it drives.
The 550 and 575 are possibly the ugliest Ferrari,s ever made.They looked dated the day they came out..I felt like crying when I first saw them and not tears of joy.If there was ever a second division Northern football team managers car it would be one of those hideous beasts.The 599 is the Venus de Milo compared to either of those dogs.Gripe over,as you can tell I'm passionate every time I hear them mentioned. 😉 😊
How anyone could choose a 550 or 575 over this is beyond me.They are two absolutely awful looking cars!