Why The Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano is The Car Market's Best Kept Secret
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- Опубликовано: 28 янв 2022
- In today's video, we look at the Ferrari 599 GTB. A car I have reviewed in the past and liked a lot - but didn't fall for. Over the last year it has grown on me though and today I think it could be something of a bargain - but I look to ask if there is a good reason why that might be.
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Whenever I set my eyes on a "hidden" gem, Jay goes and explains to the world how good it is. Not cool, man, not cool.
That's what I just thought...
Same as the Doug Demuro tax in the States. RUclipsrs are like "why no cheap cars? Also, everyone should buy this car, but there's only 4000 for the whole world. Good luck!"
Totally 😎
@@tbh1444 Ive come to hate Demuro in recent years because of this. But many other youtubers do this as well. Another thing I've noticed with car youtubers is, they dont really showcase them without heavy modifications or use them much once they buy them. They just make a quick intro video to them, shove them in a garage or shop, and just modify them every few videos. Then sell them. Or they talk them up to be a new collectable and why "YOU NEED TO BUY THESE NOW" ad then begin pumping up the markets. Its honestly becoming a serious issue for people who cant rush out and spent 10s of thousands every few months on random, unnoticed or unloved cars. We're seriously loosing our hobby and enjoyment.
One of the channels I enjoy a lot now is Harry's Garage. He has videos and does series where he takes his personal classic and modern cars(Including some very pricey exotics) on long ass roadtrips around Europe. or he does a Jay Lenos Garage style format with cars. So many car RUclipsrs only film their cars being driven for short periods of time around where they live or just to make an easy video, But never to give watchers a feel for what the cars are like or what they look like in the real world in public. The reasoning why is that driving and roadtrip videos don't pull in views like modification or Modified car reviews do. So they just relegate cars to being couped up, modified, sold and then buy another crowd pleaser. Rinse and repeat.
I love how so many car youtubers or Car experts talk about the 20-30 year depreciation curve for many cool cars, and especially luxury/exotic cars, Saying that this allows for people who arent insanely rich, But make pretty good money a chance to buy them used. Yet then are complicit in being part of destroying the depreciation curve of modern future classics along with Investors and guys trying to find the next market to try and skyrocket.
Because from where I see it, The Depreciation curve that has existed for decades before things recoverd from the Great recession is has basically disappeared. This was even a thing before the Covid shortages(Which I think was the final nail in the coffin). Now all you can do is hope a car you want that isnt an exotic or some youtube icon stays unnoticed just long enough for you to possibly buy it and enjoy before youtubers, auctions and investors find it.
I have always liked how it looked. The flying buttress wins for me.
Same, only modern ferrari i like
Same here
I agree it’s not a beautiful looking Ferrari but it has a nice presence
Agreed, gives it alot of personality in my eyes.
Love the flying buttress. Have driven my for now 4 years and I am very happy about it. Love the looks and love that it doesn’t look old compared to F12 or 812. Drive mostly in Germany when I am at home (don’t live there) and it is always a joy. Don’t think the stock exhaust is boring but rather exciting in its high pitch. Not cheap to maintain but I have a SL 600 (V12) at m home in US and that’s an expensive car as well. Once I am permanently back to Germany I may switch to 812 just to have a more modern car but still undecided. It feels amazing to drive a Ferrari.
I’ve been lucky enough to have had 4 Ferraris. I’ve had the 599 for 13 years and I’m unlikely to ever sell it. Covered over 40K miles mostly long journeys in Europe. Maintenance costs have been excellent and way less than the 355 and a lot of other "ordinary" cars. Only problems I have had relate not using it over winter ie sticking brake pistons; so now make sure it gets a run every couple of weeks when the weather allows. Think of it as a hugely comfortable, capable GT and you won’t go too wrong. F12 and 812 just aren’t as comfortable and have too sharp steering. Great review though and wouldn’t argue with anything other than comments on the rear view. It was the rear view that sold it to me when the covers came off on the launch night. Buy one! But not mine 😂
A fine looking Ferrari from every angle. Especially the uncomplicated rear view.
The 2000's were Ferrari's best decade, around 2012 every Ferrari became over styled and too electronic
Feels like a lie. You quoted in miles while stating you are in Europe
What do they go for currently
@@Fee.1 between £80k and £120k. Annual service history plus all paper receipts is essential. Wouldn’t go for ultra low mileage. Check when clutch was last done etc.
I've always thought the 599 looks fabulous, including its rear end. I'll never forget one passing me on the French Autoroute at highly illegal speeds. Awesome.
I prefer this over the f12 somehow , the 812 I don't like anything about , I think it looks a total mess . But the 599 is just stunning to me .
The 599 is one of those cars which has aged pretty well for me. I initially really didn't like the looks, but they really have grown on me quite a bit. Also I always keep forgetting how powerful these things are especially within the time period when they were released.
I feel the same. That interior is beautiful and much-much better than their new ones.
The 2000s design language has aged very well. Much better than the 2010s, which is already looking ugly to me.
Have to agree. 599 and 456 are understated with excellent proportions.
As a 25 year old I grew up with this car being the Ferrari pinnacle and I would love to one day be able to just drive one for an hour. Not the prettiest but to me it is timeless elegance.
same here at 25 haha.
The small head and taillights are also what make it so timeless. LOVE the 599.
look at how big the 812 headlights are..
😖that's not going to age well (even now I don't like those big lights)
@@jortepap I feel the same about the 812. I think it was born old, hasn’t aged well at all even though it’s still in production. The 599, though…
I can totally resonate with your statement, as a now 50 year old I lusted after at your age ( when I was 25) the 550 Maranello, and now I own one. It really is a generation thing. I've always thought the 599 is under appreciated, but like you say for those on their mid twenties it will always be the Ferrari range topping V12 that they grew up with, qnd with that in mind, nothing else will do. I hope you achieve your dream of owning one.
Some cars are pretty, some are beautiful. This is handsome.
IMO I think this is one of the most beautiful Ferraris out there still. Absolutely stunning and different
being a teenager during the 2000s, this thing was one of the rare Ferraris that I was very much into(The F430 being the other).
As someone who's been lucky enough to own a number of Ferraris and to have driven about 20 different models or so, the only one I haven't connected with was my friend's 599 HGTC. Seating position is too high, and for a 2 seater V12 you're just not that connected with it. Stonking, beautiful engine. Hugely capable. But ultimately a bit "meh" for me. Hard to know why. When I got back in, I bought a 550. That model always connects with me when I drive it and even after 75,000kms and 15 years of 550 ownership it still makes me smile. So nothing against the 599 (except humongous bills when the F1 gearbox rams in a gear and the synchros happen to be a bit off), it is just not quite the car for me. But of course at current prices it is a bargain and I wouldn't recommend against buying it. Just be aware of the gearbox issues. A lot of rebuilds happen and 25k bills are not unheard of.
Spend £100,000 on the 599 then allow another £25,000 on the transmission and it’s still less than half the price of a 599 in Australia.
To me it’s a half price bargain.
But it looks soo good :)
@@xkimopye lol thats still great price. Here in turkey (a 3rd world hellhole) a 599 costs 275000£ and minimum wage is around 192£
Interested to know what those 20 cars you are comparing it with. I own one and I compared it with a 599 GTB, FF and Gt4 Lusso. The 599 HGTE I have actually excited me much more than those other cars I tested. Very poweful, raw, agile even considering it’s weight, and with a mechanical feel. I feel like more modern cars take that rawness away and older cars are not that powerful enough. The HGTE for me represents the sweet spot
@@EduardoA775 haven’t driven the other ones you mentioned. At the time of the HGTE test drive my UK friend and I swapped with my 458 in Eastern Germany for several hours. I really disagree with you that older cars are not powerful enough. When I had my 330GTC for a couple of days I joined my friends in the Swiss Alps. I had to learn to adapt my driving style but soon I had no trouble keeping up with my friends in modern machinery on the passes. For all conceivable practical road uses, 300bhp in a 1200 kg car is fine. In the MM Tributo I had this 1966 car at 135mph and drove it on the Imola and Fiorano tracks, lots of fun. Similarly my 365BB was a joy. Others I have driven are 330GT2+2, F12, F40, 308GT4, 308GTB, 328GTB, 328GTS, 458 Speciale, Mondial T, 512BB, F430, F430 Scuderia, 360 Modena, F355 GTS, 512BB, and a regular 599. In conclusion I would never describe a 599 as raw, unless it was a GTO. The contrast with my 458 was stark, and that was not even a Speciale. I did a swap with a regular 599 with a French friend and he agreed with that view. I am very happy you are happy with your car, and I don’t mean to offend at all. What I absolutely love about Ferrari is that all those models are very different to drive and each has a distinct personality. It takes time to pick your favourite (if you even have to). At the moment I am concentrating on building my pension and so I feel I should only have one; for me the jack-of-all-trades is the 550 Maranello. FWIW my UK friend sold his 599 and owns a 458 Spider now. Continue to enjoy your 599, and keep driving different models - who knows what you might find, all the best from Holland.
I think the 599 is great looking from the back
That was the vehicle that did 1.7mpg in Top Gear’s 1 gallon race.
Glorious badge of honor
I wonder the 812 would do in that test. Maybe 1.2 mpg?
@@christiantava442 Maybe it would stop at the Hammerhead! 😅
@@christiantava442 Who knows?
All Ferraris would be really thirsty if you thrashed them.
@@christiantava442 most likely a lot better
I've had my 575 for 8 years now and still love it. Sure, every year I consider changing up to a 599...initially I wasn't a fan of its design but I've come around. But I've heard stories about early cars wiring issues so that's a concern. And whilst it has the Enzo engine I just don't need more horses..515hp in the 575M is more than enough. There's no unlimited autobahns in Oz. Then there's the fact that 599s have jumped at least A$100k in the last year here. I still prefer the looks of the Maranello. It's a true classic with its 250/275/365 design elements. Who doesn't love twin rear lights. They only built just over 2,000 of the 575M, so its the rarest of all the modern V12s, other than the specials. And the F1 box is great once you get to know how to drive it. It's definitely not slow in manual mode. Yes, I've had to change the F1 pump and fit a new clutch, at 58,000 kms! And I've just put the car through the premium service at considerable cost. But I plan on keeping it until they won't let me drive anymore.
Great review James, as always.
Keep your 575 mate! God bless you
I drove the 599 V12 GTB on two occasions, in Maranello. Both just 10 minutes rides, with a co-driver, it was really some great experience. These short time rentals does it for me, also very accessible and feaseble on a small budget.
I always loved these because it looks like a bigger, badder 90's-era Japanese sports car and I love the general styling cues of those cars. And It just has a look and layout (aside from the tech) that suggests Ferrari actually wants you to daily the car. Which I like. I'm not in a position to own or really even drive Ferraris, I've only sat in a few at an Italian festival and been around tracks in a couple. So I can't speak from any real experience with the car. But aesthetically, it's one of my favorite ferraris
Love your videos, James. Just keep them coming
James, I adore you videos and your editing is excellent. I do miss the prior intro song, I sing along to it :)
Good video jay, really enjoyed it. Keep up the good work 👍🏻
I've always thought the 599 was an incredible car. I prefer the looks to a Maranello or an F12 (I must be odd?) and that Enzo derived engine? Need I say more? Fabulous....
Say no more. Just fabulous.
this is actually my dream supercar, throw a pair of Brilliant 6-1 headers on there, do the manual swap with that new kit that just came out, and it cannot be beat at any price for sound and driving experience
Another great review, you’re definitely my favourite car journalist. Cheers Jay
Another excellent video, some of those PTCs were long (how did you remember all those lines?!), impressive delivery James and you make me want to buy one. If only I could!
Very nice car. Always like the look of these. That interior is fantastic. Nice video. Keep up the good work.
Yeah...a half hour video...nice one James.. 👍👍
After living with a 599 for a year, I can say it's a very accurate review James. Well done.
Jay you should be on TV as your reviews are honest and impartial. Always love watching your videos. Thank you
You tube is pretty much tv these days. But agree these are addictive
Tbh it's the opposite for me. The rear and the side profile are gorgeous. The front is a "meh" for me.
Another great video James 👏🏻 I actually think the looks have improved over time and it now looks rather elegant in my opinion.
While i think the trunk area looks pretty weird i love the single tail lights. They look great imo. Growing up in the early 2000’s this was one of my favorites. I loved how the gto and xx could be optioned with the black contrast tops. Looks way better that way
I think the looks of the 612 have aged very well. It is elegant. And the 599 is up there with their best looking cars IMHO.
Being able to see a lot of the bonnet or hood as we call it in America is something I really appreciate because it I love being able to tell where the front of my car is. I currently drive a 2014 Volkswagen beetle. I love that car and it kicks ass when you put it in a sport mode and I know exactly where the front of my car is whenever I drive it and I can see enough of the bonnet/hood to make me feel comfortable, knowing exactly where the front of my car is. I really do appreciate that. That being said I do prefer to drive left hand drive cars because I am American and 99% of American cars are left hand drive but I do understand everything that was said about preferring the right hand drive in this video because this is a man from the UK and roast UK cars are right hand drive. I’m also not saying that I wouldn’t be opposed to a right hand drive car because I would love to try that but I would just personally my preference as an American preferred left hand drive. The Ferrari 599 has always been one of my favorite Ferraris ever and given the right opportunities in my life I would love to own one or at least drive one one day.
I like this channel, you very much know your things about Astons and Ferrari's and you have the gift of speech, its a pleasure listening to you.
Great review Jay, the LOTR reference made me chuckle. 599s are getting more interesting by the day.
That was a really informative video as i am in the market for one. Thank you.
Wow i was so disapointed about the last 599 video. Thanks for making a second video. This one suits the 599 much better
So happy i get to watch these. Never been a Ferrari guy, but you keep my interests piqued
I absolutely agree and i would like to mention that although the design of berlineta has it's issues, it's really amazing how the GTO is one of the best looking Ferraris although it's actually the same car.
Wonderful video. I really consider to get one of these. 😊👍🏻👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I gotta thank you Man, you seem to be have the same taste as I do and you are right on the money. I bought my LC500 on your recommendation.
Damn I love this car. From design to sound, from price to interior.
Very nice review
I put this on in the shop this morning.. then a customer came so I’ve only just sat down to watch this properly. This has always been my favourite modern Ferrari. And now after watching this I’m certain it’s the one for me… if I can afford one before they skyrocket one day!
Your car knowledge is totally amazing
had one for a couple of years. agree with most points JM. main reason I sold it, was endless stopping to fill up & not an easy car to handle when giving it some real welly. good value. really enjoyed owning it
@3:37 they may not be that different in size but this picture shows perfectly that 7” longer wheelbase. They really pushed the wheels to the corners
Excellent review as always, JM. I, even more than you, want the best, but also want a screaming bargain. Such are not attainable in 2022, I may have to wait 2 years before I add to my collection.
Mr JM! You're smoking rocket fuel! I love the look of these things! Am considering a purchase in the near future?
Great review
Really good review
Can't say I like the looks, but I'm glad they exist, thanks J!
I'm 193cm and am able to fit in a 599; wasn't an issue when I was in it for the best part of an hour. I also daily a Fiesta.
Mind you I also squeezed myself into a Suzuki Cappuccino so take what I say about fitting in cars with a grain of salt.
If you chartered a business jet you'd have to take your shoes off to not rub your head on the ceiling. Unless you charter a BBJ or ACJ
A buddy of mine is 2 meters tall and he daily drives a 90s civic. If there is a will there is a way 😄
@@Poatan.chama. Yianni from Yiannimize managed to fit into a Peel P50 on a Carwow drag race a few months back so there's definitely a way!
The specs and details you had in your head were amazing. Blew me away.
This is nice.also love the scaletti.but would have to be a manual.
I'm sorry but in my opinion the 599 GTB Fiorano is the most beautiful modern two seater front engine Ferrari, just behind the 275 GTB, 250 California and 250 GT Lusso Berlinetta, from 3rd to 1st.
What a fantastic car! Great vid, Jay - thx
Another great review James 😁👍👍 I wish I had access to the UK car market. In Australia there are currently 3 Ferrari 599 Fiorano for sale, all are over $500,000!!! (£260,000) You guys in the UK are very fortunate. Thanks again 😁👍👍
Made the same check haha. The poms don't know how good they've got it.
The 3 Aust cars aren’t selling at that price. I know of a 2006 Aust delivered 599 in Grey that traded late last year for $255k AUD. 60kms
But thanks for the clarification, $255k is still over $100k aud more than what James was saying this car was sold for. Definitely food for thought 😁👍👍
I love the 599's style- my only critique is the front fascia is a bit plain, but that's fine, throw a Sasaki Brilliant headers & exhaust on there and let the engine do the talking
One of my favourite Ferrari models. Would love to own one of these. Great video.
Thanks James! that 599 is awesome except for the rear styling and the single tailights
He's not lying about it eating a V12 vantage for breakfast. I was lucky enough to drive both when they were current cars. The V12 vantage honestly just felt a bit heavy and more of a GT. The 599 felt like an animal in comparison. I know things have moved on but I'd love to have the opportunity to spend a bit more time in a 599.
Was never that fussed when they came out (as if I could afford one..) but as time passes and havong seen ones in person... They do look the business. Love a big GT
Ive seen a few in person and a few GTO's. They have never failed at impressing me style wise. these have always looked great ever since I was a Teen back in the late 2000s.
I wouldnt mind having a go at one some day in the future. But with the way the car world is now and the fact that the 20-30 year depreciation curve has pretty much disappeared(not thanks entirely to Covid. Covid just was final nail in that coffin), I doubt I'll ever get a chance to experience one of these or a Murcie. By the time I get finish the degree I want(Which would pay north of 200k a year), These and many others will probably be well out of reach and a thing for billionaires or the upper echelon of Multi millionaires.
Nice Video, I prefer the aesthetics to the F12 and 812 - seems a lot cleaner and classic to me.
Thank you so much for doing this video, James. I was just revisiting Chris Harris' 599 video and realised it's been almost 10 years, wow.
Having already covered most of what's out there in terms of 599 info I'm amazed at how much I learned from this one. One question comes to mind regarding the Scuderia fender badges. Do you know wether they're fully removable or not? Do badged cars have different fenders with indents for the badges?
I do believe the front wings have indents for the badges if specced
Correct, the front wings ( fenders) have an indentation to accommodate the Scud shields. So removing them would leave a strange dent.
Yep, has always been like that for Ferraris that I know
Thanks for the answers, guys!
This car looks great! I also find Mondial interesting.
I love the looks of the 599, especially the rear. My one dream car!
You can have one in 2-3 years, maybe less. Up to you.
The flying buttresses on this car are one of the coolest design features I always thought..
Great video! Beautiful Ferrari!
The king of Sweden has one of these in his collection. Used to have a 456.
My two favorite Ferraris design-wise
I like the funky new intro
612 Scaglietti has the same designer as Your Quattroporte - Ken Okuyama at Pininfarina. 599 was designed by Jason Castriota at Pininfarina, he also designed the GranTurismo.
Thanks James. Was a bit disappointed with the 599 per your last review. Yes!! James is aboard the 599 wagon
My fave car since new, and I think it being ECOTY winner 2006 says a lot of its capabilities! Don’t spoil the secret for those of us on the cusp of affording one James 😉
Always loved the 599. Thanking you already ten seconds in
Great video😆
Great review as always. Not as obvious in this black example but why does the windscreen go so far into the roofline, always looks odd to me. Maybe the designer was a Citroen C4/Picasso fan!
Glad to see single clutch gearboxes getting some appreciation through understanding after years of dismissal
They have to be driven like a manual. In an age of numb, push-button, instant-gratification luxo boxes, it's a welcome thing to have a car that requires some thought and provides physical feedback to let you know when you mess up.
Fully agree, I have the 612 HGTS, so much more pleasant to drove on long journeys than my manual 550 maranello.
i like the looks including the rear.
Love the 599 , definatly a contender if I plan to replace my F430 and get a taste of a V12 ferrari in the future.
Back in 2007 I was lucky enough to have a 2 day Ferrari driving experience at Fiorano. I drove many laps in 430s and 599s, both with my instructor, a World Rally runner up, and by myself. The 430 was fast, but there was a pause in up shifts, not noticeable in the quite magnificent 599. Every time I drove either car, I was given a computer readout of my performance. The main difference between a race driver and someone like me, was the lateness of braking, and the brakes, in the 599, were superb. And as for that v12 engine….
A wonderful Ferrari V12 that is exclusive and rare. I've never driven one, but I suppose a trip to the Cote d'Azur would be an unforgettable experience.
You should do a video that’s a list of cars that you can buy and won’t lose money or will appreciate. Performance cars obviously and maybe some that normal people can buy, first on my list might be an e92 m3. Would like to hear your thoughts
The flying buttresses are one of the car’s best styling features!
I've always loved how these looked, I actually wanted the Lego Technic version of it when I was a kid and even IT was out of my budget back in the early 2000s!
Well the Lego version sure will have a lower total cost of ownership xd
I see what you mean about the rear but overall i think its a stunner.
And now like the FF these will start to rise in the U.K., your videos have a canny knack of spotting these bargains and exposing them to a greater audience
I love the 599, I saw one driving yesterday and it really is amazing
I was just in the gym talking with my friend about his ferraris (488 & F12) and how we both like the 599, and he was saying the 599 is a great investment. Then I come home and see this video! I would love to find a 599 or 612 with a gated manual
As far as I know, there is only one RHD 612 manual in existence, or so it was claimed when I saw it at a show a few years back. I have to say, the 612 looked much, much better in the flesh, so to speak. It was dark blue, which I think helped.
@@sirmurf there's 2 for sale on ebay just now
Forget that , they say manual but both f1
@@paulthomson9014 i know right! I've got angry at this so many times. And they dont put a photo of the interior showing the gearbox until 20 photos of the bloody alloys
@@chrisogrady28 yeh , if I see a car advertised as a manual I expect to see a manual gearbox . The advertisements both say manual . And only when you finally.get to an interior pic it shows the f1 box .
I’m not interested in Ferraris really but this one Has always peaked my interest. Love the looks!
I like these and think they’re awesome value. I also like the Ferrari 612
It'd be really interesting to know how much better the HGTE is for most average Sunday drivers. Is it vital?
It’s a evening cocktail dress over a rocket. Brilliant car. Aim it straight and pull the trigger. So much charisma.
Interesting documentary.
Funnily enough, don’t think I have ever looked at one off these before, but today, it’s a great looking car and idle for the summer jolly drive down to Spain with the boys. Don’t think it would do any harm to do a manual box conversation
You are the first to mention a manual conversion. There is a shop near me that does these (with all fsrrari parts) for 40,000 usd and you get you f1 box back if the next buyer wants it
Side profile especially the roofline really gives me lfa vibes but in that classic ferrari flair
Long long ago, in a time when I had some serious wonga; I had the use of a Ferarri 308GTB; to be honest, and much as I love these cars for their looks and noise - it put me off owning one for life! Mainly when the seller showed me the history and I realised how much had been spent just keeping it on the road.
I imported a 1989 Nissan R32 GTR full race Skyline instead. I ran that car for two years with no problems; only selling for two reasons.
1. Although I never actually got a ticket; it really was a damn close thing....and
2. The sheer thickness of the ead of cash I was offered. (I won't say how much, but it was more than 5 times what I'd paid for it; and that made my eyes water!).
Now that I'm old and comparitively poor; I own a very rapid 2006 Lexus GS300 SE-L, it's been looked after all its life by Lexus, they even did a high performance job on it for me. I'm about to take it off the road and just use it for track-days and speed trials; I'll replace it with an LS460 SE-L Executive. I just love a Lexus.
What would be the ideal exhaust set up for a lower tone from this? I have a larini set up on a granturismo which has a nice low grumble, of course I realise this is a v12 but I’m curious if I could get a low grumble out of a 599 as it’s on my list of potential upgrades
LS swap
Hi James!
What is the name of the intro music, please?
Hoping to buy my first ferrari within the next 18months or so. Torn between a F430, 458 and 599. I find these videos really interesting, thank you.
Thats hard to decide lol
Personally, I'd get a 599, no question about it. The design, the rarity, the v12... So much that differentiates this from the other 2 which mind you, are amazing cars. Since you can afford to choose, do whatever you feel like. enjoy
She is a pretty thing, the F12 is my other favourite hopefully in the garage sometime down the line!
Hi Jay, I still have this on my list of cars with great value. I think this is the perfect under 100k Ferrari. Maybe you should make a special and tell us which Ferrari under 100k. I am hihi this, or repurchase another California T or go classic with a 328 for example.
The 599 GTB Fiorano is my dream car. Id still drive my Frontier daily, the 599 would for Sunday cruises.