Samsung could change/fix some of the issues with firmware, so it may change in the future. That also brings risk of something else getting changed or broken with a firmware update though.
Especially since what we have learned over the last years is that Samsung TVs are typically at their best performance in early firmware. Not sure if it’s possible to revert if one decides to take an update and regrets it.
you should know that samsung brings down their tvs with future updates, not the other way around. You think that Lg is fool to not turn up the brightness without taking their safety measurements like samsung did .But now see what you get
The Samsung Firmware Update Clownshow is notorious. I had a Sammy BD player literally brick itself one Saturday morning performing a firmware update without any provocation. God bless the Costco electronics clerk who accepted it for a return/refund.
In AV Forum's review (edit: apologies, I mean the WhatHiFi review), of the C4 they found the same thing, that it is significantly better than the C3. A nice surprise after recent C series stagnation.
I am still in debate between these two because all the research that I've done states that the S90D is better for gaming. I will mainly be gaming on my PC (3070 Ti). However, I've always been a big fan of LG and their webOS. May I ask what makes you say that the C4 is better and why are you enjoying it?
@ C4! Mainly because the QC and Dolby vision for watching movies. I heard a lot about the S90D being better for gaming (which is what I mainly use for) but honestly it’s good to my eyes! Quality image and colors all around.
I am starting to wonder if the S90D was nerfed in order to try to convince buyers to instead choose the S95D over the S90D. A battle between the S90C and S90D could sort this hypothesis out, and make the S90C and/or S89C even better value kings if your S90D is worse than the S90C and S89C.
@@MasterEggroll For movie HDR in FMM? In what way? Are you talking streaming or from disc? If streaming, from what app? Are you talking APL or HDR highlights? Vincent did a recent review and made similar observations. Are you also saying Vincent was wrong? It's interesting that you call out settings, but you can't pinpoint what particular thing about the image is being affected by these settings.
I didn't realize that the professional tone mapping option was on the C4 as well as the G4. Makes me wonder if this feature might come to the C3/G3 next year when they get WebOS 2024. Has LG ever back-ported features like this? I know they say the older models will get Chromecast support so I wonder if this could come as well.
Your video is very strange to me. I have both of these panels and the S90D looks literally NOTHING like what your presenting here! My S90D (even on the newer 1201 firmware) has waaay better picture/brightness/colors than the LG. Like its not even close. And this is my first Samsung TV, as I literally have C2s, C3s, and one C4 in my house. Ive only ever bought LG Oleds. So in no way am i being partial to Samsung. The C4 and S90D are both (65in) setup for PC gaming in my office and are run on 4090s. You may wanna check or double check what panel you actually have. Would really suck if you later found out that you dont actually have a QD and have un intentionally mislead alot of people. Like seriously, something is up here!
Would you recommend the S90D? I plan to get the 65” like yours. Reviews say it’s great for gaming with high hdr brightness in gaming mode. My only worry is when I’m watching SDR content like a movie or say a basketball game, the brightness won’t be as great. This will be my first OLED and I’m coming from a 2016 Samsung KS8000 LED. I’m kinda banking on the S90D being even brighter then my KS8000 since its a newer tv but I do have my worries
Hey Classy it's been 4 months... what happened to "dedicated videos for these" and "keep an eye out for individual reviews" ? Just got the 77" S90D for labor day and can't find a good calibration anywhere. Please assist.
@@TunaDog775Hahaha...guy doesn't have the slightest idea about tv calibration and is biased towards Samsung. He thinks that oversaturation and extremely bright highlights is a better image. He is the guy that calls out the filmmaker mode (the most natural and accurate mode) for being trash.
Why the color luminance drops so hard on gamemode on c4? On your first few mins, I love the c4 image but while gaming, i am getting sad. I want to replace my cx48 for c4 42 this year but I mostly play pc games on it…
yeah that is a clear flaw with C4 which surprisingly doesnt happen with B4 series so sth is really off with C4 hardware or software. No one has a clear answer on this.
That's actually a good question, when this first launched everyone said to buy the s90c because they're the same tv basically and now it's somehow worse than the c4 that is supposed to be on paper 200+ nits dimmer
Yeah I have an LG c4 and its dim been changing around the setting A TON for a week trying all kinds of different things. Strangely enough game mode gives me the best picture out of all the settings. thinking about returning to try out the s90d though
On the LG, you can enable HGIG through the Windows Color Control app remotely as a setting for one of the non-GO modes. So you can use FMM+ HGIG for extra brightness and color, while retaining the true accuracy of HGIG. You just set it once and never need to use your PC again unless you turn HGIG off. This is the way.
Color Control connection to the TV will implement a flag in the service menu that can cause LG to deny warranty service. With the adjustable tone mapping options you no longer need to do that anyway. Just set 4000 mastering to 100 and set the game to 1000 nits and it will mimic HGiG.
@@ClassyTechCalibrations got it, but as you point out, your method isn’t as 100% accurate, but I suppose it’s a good compromise to avoid potential warranty issues.
@@westibbs it'll clip if the game supports console HGiG setting or has a working slider. If it's outputting higher than 1000 nits then it will still have some tone mapping, which is imo better anyway.
It is good that you talk about FMM for gaming. I have been playing on my G3 with FMM+Allm+HGIG(using colorcontrol)+4:4:4 since day 1. Latency using FMM has never been a problem at all. Many youtubers talked about that without any proof. It was a big lie. Moreover LG FTDA is a game changer for HDR gaming. Most people do not realize how important it is to fix black level floor. Conclusion:despite all the BS said last year, the G3 is absolutly amazing for PC GAMING. However for console players, HGIG cannot be used with FMM. I am so glad I did not buy a samsung oled. Why ? For me HGIG and FTDA are 2 essential features for HDR gaming that bring a massive visual improvment. Also, being able to play with FMM is a great option for better color accuracy. In my eyes, the only weak point for my G3 is that color banding can be seen sometimes in few specific scenario. So that needs to be improved.
Most of us have expected the S90D to be better than the C4. The S90D is actually worse overall than last year’s models in terms of performance and accuracy. A few tweaks in the service menu as well as calibration and you have a better set than the S90D. I know we all talked about firmware updates gimping Samsung TV, but it’s already held back out the gate.
@@verttisyrjala2897 Yes, I am a hobbyist calibrator and have the means to do so. The S90D does not perform better than last year’s models across the board. In a few areas of measurement yes, but not in real world content. Btw, measurement numbers are meaning less and less in terms of actual content, this is why we don’t speak or show it as much anymore. One set will measure higher and perform worse, be less bright, and etc in real world content.
Excellent comparison, it seems that because the S90D uses both WOLED and QD-OLED panels, they nerfed this year's QD-OLED outside of game mode, not surprising, because Samsung already does this with Galaxy smartphones that use both Exynos and Snapdragon. For example, you won't get Wi-Fi 7 on the S24+ Snapdragon variant, because the Exynos variant doesn't have a Wi-Fi 7 compatible modem.
@@jenifersue585There’s a minuscule amount of content that can take advantage of the higher color volume of QD OLED. There’s a reason Panasonic and Philips went with MLA and I wouldn’t be shocked if Sony switched to MLA next year.
Definitely has nothing to do with WOLED panels. The issue is they are still gen 2 panels. Which are the same panels used in last years S90C. Now, that doesn’t mean they can’t get brighter. But they’d have to improve cooling and processing. So, it’s a bit brighter and has a bit more volume as a result of improvements. But it’s still going to be limited by the gen 2 panel. They don’t produce these panels by the way. It’s not really up to them. Samsung display is actually a separate company entirely. It’s where Samsung and Sony buy QDOLES displays. Just like every WOLED display is produced by LG display. So Samsung can’t just make new panels. They are buying them from Samsung display. And yes they are both subsidiaries of the same parent company. But they’re still very separate companies.
The QD-Oleds always have a pink tint on camera, it doesnt show in real life except for blacks when there is direct light pointing at the TV. Not sure why its so visible on camera.
@@RipYaHeadOff Usually prices come down a bit after 3 months for the "C" models ... by BF it should be around $400/500 off the original price. I am guessing the PS5 Pro is going to be somewhere between $550 and $600/650 tops ... dont think Sony is going to ask like $700 for the Pro, that would be ridiculous. So by BF, in November, an C4 55 inch + a PS5 Pro should be around $2000, maybe a bit less with some discounts here and there. Prices are different between the U.S. and Europe. Anyhows, we ll see!
I had a 65 A80J and recently returned my C3. It was definitely brighter but the A80J had better screen uniformity (no colour tinting) upscaling motion (if you like a lot of motion smoothing the lg will be better because it has less artifacts with high levels of Interpolation), preservation of detail and the menu/os was much faster.
I have the same tv. I'm still hanging on for another year or two. You can probably compare the two on Rtings but I don't think there is enough in it to justify getting a new tv atm.
After owning my C1 for years now, i can't see myself buying anything other than a C series again. Went to my local target and saw a C3 blow away everything else on the wall(including the Sonys). They just have this clarity to them, its like looking through a clean window. All other TV's look dirty by comparison. This is the first time I've ever developed brand loyalty.
Definitely surprised by these results, but I think something is up with Samsung's color this year. I saw the S95D and S90C side by side at Best Buy yesterday and the S90C colors looked more saturated and popped more. Thought that was interesting.
I honestly don't care for samsungs game mode as they usually have wacky color compared to their movie modes. I've actually been playing with game mode off when gaming on my s95b recently, much better colors when using bt.2020 in sdr. So if I got the lg I'd be totally fine keeping game mode off.
i just dont know what to believe anymore, every youtube calibrator keeps saying one is better than the other! This is totally opposite of Quantum's videos
Great comparison video. Surprised by c4. Classy, as a monitor 42 inch size comparing c2 to c3, is the c2 just as good as c3 for use as a PC monitor? Thanks
C2 42 is perfect, i have fixed that absl auto dimming thing from a reddit tutorial and it's perfect, i also have x82l 75 and x90l 75 and nothing comes close to oled....
Crazy never expected that. How do both tvs compare to the S90C because i would pick one up literally right know if it's worth it. It's discounted and my C3 is getting sent back tomorrow (can't stand the colour tinting). Would really appreciate your advice. Use case is watching content/gaming (70/30)
Thanks a lot. Is there a possibility for the S90D to be fixed with a firmware update. And does the S90C still beat the C4 in brightness and colour luminance/saturation. Sorry for bothering just want to make a well informed purchase 😅
@@bilalbiriri6596 yes they could change it in firmware. I would be concerned about them breaking something else in the process but if not, then it could get better. I'll try to compare the S90C to the C4 when I'm back from vacation later this month.
So the samsung S90C and the S90D - 77" are both on sale here in Australia. S90C is a guaranteed QD-OLED whereas the S90D has the whole panel lottery with high chances of it being WOLED. Which one should I get?
Wow that’s incredible the C4 looks well more impressive the game mode sure is lacking but if can use filmmaker mode on games for same brightness and colour that’s perfect 👌 so instead me setting 800nits for HGIG HDR game mode, I use 1000nit on HDR outside game mode not 4000nit or until all blocks have same brightness? Thanks also can this be used on the C3 4:39
I know on my cx, that out of game mode, with allm on, too much latency compared to game mode. So your saying that you can get the color saturation back and have the same level of latency as game mode on the c4? There must be a difference in lag out of game mode.
Need help I’m using a lg c3 tv with my pc and every time I set the refresh rate to 120hz instead of 60hz I get vertical grey lines noticeable in dark areas of a game I have tried replacing the cable and it doesn’t go away not sure what to do?
Hi! I watched your stream on LG G4 calibration, where it was mentioned that it has an always active sharpening that can't be turned off. Could you, by any chance, kindly say whether that's also the case with C4?
Classy! Hope all is well. I'm torn. I have a 42C2 i use for work and gaming. I was thinking of upgrading to a 32" QD OLED monitor (one of the 2024 models). Then I started thinking of perhaps using a 55" Samsung QD OLED. Then I was thinking maybe that is too big. With this video, im thinking of swapping the 42C2 to a 42C4. Or even to the 48C4. What i like about the C series - 4 x hdmi 2.1 ports, glossy screen, dolby vision, apps built in. The QD Oled monitor has a bit higher peak brightness, better color luminance, higher refresh rate, a bit more comfortable screen size. The QD OLED tv would be the brightest, high color luminance, but I'd be about 3 feet away (if gaming, i could probably scoot back but while working, id be about 3-4 feet from the screen). Hmm. Or just stay with the 42C2? Help!
I had similar considerations, and 42C4 is the best overall option. The monitors are not actually brighter either, they only measure 1k nits in tiny window sizes and the APL luminance is lower
Just got 77 s90d and Fak man the picture is crazy good, I haven’t calibrated anything just yet. But out the box this tv is really good. I saw s90d, a80l and g3 I kept coming back to s90d overall so I bought it. The lg clipping is bad, I’m sure you can adjust it.
KG just put out a long comparison of the s90d vs g4. He mentioned a couple times how the non gaming color brightness of the s90d was superior but the g4 whites were better while going through the modes. Does this mean right now the c4 has better colour volume then the g4 or are your specific calibration at play? I don't remember him finding a mode where the g4 was particularly better that way while you found the opposite result with the c4 vs s90d.
I have a LG CX for 4 years now and wanted to upgrade. I can't decide which to upgrade, the 95c or the S90d. I don't want to go with LG this time because of the banding in colours and woled screen is not as colourful as qd oled. Which one would you recommend?
Would the improvments to C4 also apply to the 42 inch, or are they linked to the increased brightness that only applies to the larger sizes? Looking to get a c3 or c4 as a monitor but it's really hard to find info about the differences at 42 inch size.
@ClassyTechCalobrations Oh No! Something just happened to my S90C and I had to exchange for S90D, which means I had a pay a little bit more money. Did I make a bad choice? Is the S90D inferior to the S90C??? I feel sick. If you could, please let me know your thoughts so I can cancel the order if need to be.
I want a triple display simracing setup and torn between C4 42 inch or the new 32 inch QDOled 240hz displays. Worried the brigtness/reflections of the new QDoleds bouncing of each other will grey out the black. Are my worries justified?
I currently have the s90d 77-in. I was thinking about taking it back and replacing with the QN90D 85 in which one should I get. I am in the living room with light controlled environment. The only thing I will do is watch movies, TV shows, a little bit of news, no video games. Is the QN90d black levels almost the same as the s90d would I be disappointed with the QN90d.
Classy, your technical videos are excellent. Newbie question - Can some firmware updates impact a calibrated picture, thereby negating the benefit of a professional calibration? Thanks.
Is the c4 still more colorful when both are in standard and vivid mode? Samsung probably purposely kept the colors muted on the accurate modes to make the tv look more accurate. Also using the color booster setting may increase the saturation on the samsung.
It could be that because the S90D sells both WRGB and RGB panels, Samsung was applying a common tone mapping mode for both types of panels, and that this tone mapping was more oriented to the characteristics of the lower WRGB and that is why in a panel RGB with higher brightness and color volume specifications, is the applied tone mapping excessively aggressive?
LG finally upped their game with the C series, eh? They weren't available in Canada when I was looking to buy, so I went with the S90D thanks to the crazy good deal I got on it. I do remember you mentioning that your S90D was crushing black a bit in the early stages of you having it, and it looks like I'm having the same issue. I did a pixel refresh after about a week of using it, and haven't noticed too much of a difference. It's not by any means terrible, but it's noticeable, and I don't want to crank up shadow detail to much if I can avoid it. Any recommendations on how to possibly remedy this issue?
S90C or C4 (+$350) ? And why? Can you confirm that the Samsung has better motion processing with less artifacts? If you put trumotion to 10 does it still create alot artifacts? Thank you man
Hello, I would appreciate it if you could answer, I wanted to buy the S90D 65, but Samsung has not yet launched it in this size in Brazil, and it is also not shipping to my state because of the floods that occurred, the S95D in partner stores is very expensive, I'm in doubt between LG G3 or S90C?! both with great prices
Judging a TV on the Internet through somebody else’s camera and adjustments is like judging somebody stereo or comparing two stereos without being in the same room. There’s so many adjustments that can be made on a TV and a stereo and there’s different applications for each TV. I own a C9 a C1 and a C4 And I just got the Samsung for my family room because of all the reflections, you can literally see a picture of my kitchen in my screen. The Samsung mitigates that to about 75% Adjusted the way I like it in a bright room it has less glare than any lg I’ve owned. It has slightly more colors and brighter pic than any LG I’ve ever owned. I also compared it to the 77 inch LG c4 in my theater room and the color palette is greater. But that’s just my opinion TVs can be adjusted for preference. Anybody can put two TV side-by-side and make one look better than the other. I also went into the service menu and made sure that my TV was putting out maximum brightness and it was which means I didn’t have the newer software that Nerfed the s90d. But still some people may love the LG C4 better than the Samsung that’s fine, both are incredible tv’s. I’m just trying to make the point that TVs can be adjusted towards preference. Don’t always believe what you see through a camera on the Internet that’s why I subscribed to more than one person on the Internet, who reviews TVs. Would I change my c4 for the Samsung no because my c4 is in a dark room and for movies only and it has a gorgeous picture. And the Samsung with its anti glare is better in a bright room for ME. Does it sacrifice a little bit of contrast yes. What I’m trying to say is both TVs are excellent. I picked one for one application and I picked another one for another application. Though I do not like the matte screens on the s95 at all. LG and Samsung make fabulous products. Pick the one that works with your application. That’s like picking a speaker that works with your room and application. Why does it always have to be you’re wrong? I’m right ones better than the other. Why can’t people just help each other out with what they’ve got and help them to calibrate their TV, whatever model they have for the better. Also, there’s no such thing as the perfect TV. I just don’t know why everybody has to be so personal about it. It’s hilarious 😊😂😊
Except he didn't. It's a QD OLED. And it's really easy to tell. 1. From the code on the back of the TV or before purchasing. 2. From how it handles colours. The second point is apparent in this video.
@@herrickandreas1580 If you are in the USA it's the difference of the serial code ending. FXZA vs EXZA Classy had discussed this before. Tech with KG has a video about. People who know their tech know. The idea Classy doesn't know what panel he is looking at is silly. You can also tell by the sub-pixel arrangement which you can see by taking a photo of the screen up close on your phone and enlarging.
Classy I must say I love your videos, you’re everything Vincent should be, also LG seems to come for everyone’s neck this year.. Damnnn the difference is night and day here, I’ll be coming from a 65 A8H, will the processing and 3D look be much better on the C4 ? Also going 77 for immersion.
42" Sony A90k and 42" LG C4 are now the same price (LG is $100 more). I can imagine the C4 edges it out in brightness, as did the C3, but what about sharpness and detail? Is the processing in the A90k still better since the C4 didn't get the a11 chip? I'm still debating between them even though the A90k is 2 years old.
I think i saw a RUclips video that the s90d is panel variation. You may get a qd-oled made by samsung or a woled made by lg and no matter the size. I would say you have a woled s90d as the c4 shouldn't be able to be better. Maybe you can zoom in to the pixels to see the structure then you know for sure which panel you got.
@@Mile91903 yes, S90C was better than C3. The change in tone mapping could be changed in a firmware update on the S90D so we'll see what happens later on. Who knows if they will break something else if they do that though.
Come on classy pull ya finger out and get the G4 review out 😂. I have the G4 in the basket waiting on your thoughts . Chromance overshoot is the improvement I'm hoping for over the G3
@classytechcalibrations would you guess that most of the comparisons and conclusions here regarding S90D vs C4 applicable when comparing the S90C 2023 77" QD OLED to the C4? Is the C4 a big upgrade over S90C?
Son of perdition with nano cell ear, and micro brain, please start from the beginning and listen well, s90d in movie mode with active tone mapping ON and c4 bomb in cinema home with dynamic tone mapping ON(i.e. DTM ON)
@@etinosaoyemwense but also was the s90d in fmm static tonemapping compared to lg c4 cinema home. His tv was calibrated in cinema mode, not cinema home, what your micro brain hasn't conceived.
presumably due to the extra m/s of input lag, but what none of the reviewers are telling us, last year or this year (that I have seen anyway), is what the actual m/s difference in lag is between game mode and other full colour luminance modes. Will it even make any difference to the average gamer?
Geez, the G4 should kill the QD oleds this year, if this is any indication. I thought the S90D would smoke the C4. Maybe if it's in it's brightest and not accurate mode, it will look better for most?
Don't be so sure. I think Samsung gimped the s90d to create a clear and bigger separation between it and s95d. The s90c was basically as good as the s95c. As was the s89c
Samsung could change/fix some of the issues with firmware, so it may change in the future. That also brings risk of something else getting changed or broken with a firmware update though.
Especially since what we have learned over the last years is that Samsung TVs are typically at their best performance in early firmware. Not sure if it’s possible to revert if one decides to take an update and regrets it.
Both were playing content(film) in HDR10?
That's why I love Panasonic I have the LZ2000 for 2 years with 3 updates .
you should know that samsung brings down their tvs with future updates, not the other way around. You think that Lg is fool to not turn up the brightness without taking their safety measurements like samsung did .But now see what you get
The Samsung Firmware Update Clownshow is notorious. I had a Sammy BD player literally brick itself one Saturday morning performing a firmware update without any provocation. God bless the Costco electronics clerk who accepted it for a return/refund.
I'd like to see a side by side of C3 vs C4. Hard to believe there is that much difference.
They had to compete with the s90, they had no choice but to step up, shame we don’t get the newer chip in there though
In AV Forum's review (edit: apologies, I mean the WhatHiFi review), of the C4 they found the same thing, that it is significantly better than the C3. A nice surprise after recent C series stagnation.
Glad i returned my c3!! C-series is back baby!
@@beammeupscottsp7952 giving c9 vibes lol
The speakers are significantly better on c4 compared to c3. Lg finally is improving their speakers on their tv's
Great video. Couldn’t justify the S90D this year, been enjoying my C4.
I am still in debate between these two because all the research that I've done states that the S90D is better for gaming. I will mainly be gaming on my PC (3070 Ti). However, I've always been a big fan of LG and their webOS. May I ask what makes you say that the C4 is better and why are you enjoying it?
Which one did you buy@@cristophermartinez7197
@@cristophermartinez7197 Hey bro. I'm in this dilemma right now. What conclusion did you reach?
@ C4! Mainly because the QC and Dolby vision for watching movies. I heard a lot about the S90D being better for gaming (which is what I mainly use for) but honestly it’s good to my eyes! Quality image and colors all around.
@@cristophermartinez7197 I think of it as a more complete device because of the LG brand. Thank you
you're killing it with these reviews classy
I am starting to wonder if the S90D was nerfed in order to try to convince buyers to instead choose the S95D over the S90D. A battle between the S90C and S90D could sort this hypothesis out, and make the S90C and/or S89C even better value kings if your S90D is worse than the S90C and S89C.
Now you’re thinking ;)
Depends on what size and what country. That is to say, some are WOLED and some are QD OLED.
@@MasterEggroll For movie HDR in FMM? In what way?
Are you talking streaming or from disc?
If streaming, from what app?
Are you talking APL or HDR highlights?
Vincent did a recent review and made similar observations. Are you also saying Vincent was wrong?
It's interesting that you call out settings, but you can't pinpoint what particular thing about the image is being affected by these settings.
@@exhibitD79 I) love when random dudes in the comments section think they know better than Vincent or Classy.
s90c doesnt have dolby vision
Well done Classy! Exactly what I needed right now in looking to buy my first OLED!
I didn't realize that the professional tone mapping option was on the C4 as well as the G4. Makes me wonder if this feature might come to the C3/G3 next year when they get WebOS 2024. Has LG ever back-ported features like this? I know they say the older models will get Chromecast support so I wonder if this could come as well.
Your video is very strange to me. I have both of these panels and the S90D looks literally NOTHING like what your presenting here! My S90D (even on the newer 1201 firmware) has waaay better picture/brightness/colors than the LG. Like its not even close. And this is my first Samsung TV, as I literally have C2s, C3s, and one C4 in my house. Ive only ever bought LG Oleds. So in no way am i being partial to Samsung. The C4 and S90D are both (65in) setup for PC gaming in my office and are run on 4090s. You may wanna check or double check what panel you actually have. Would really suck if you later found out that you dont actually have a QD and have un intentionally mislead alot of people. Like seriously, something is up here!
Would you recommend the S90D? I plan to get the 65” like yours. Reviews say it’s great for gaming with high hdr brightness in gaming mode. My only worry is when I’m watching SDR content like a movie or say a basketball game, the brightness won’t be as great. This will be my first OLED and I’m coming from a 2016 Samsung KS8000 LED. I’m kinda banking on the S90D being even brighter then my KS8000 since its a newer tv but I do have my worries
Hey Classy it's been 4 months... what happened to "dedicated videos for these" and "keep an eye out for individual reviews" ? Just got the 77" S90D for labor day and can't find a good calibration anywhere. Please assist.
If you haven't found one yet, im going to be using Quantum TV. His videos really show what the S90D is capable of
@@TunaDog775 thx
@@TunaDog775Hahaha...guy doesn't have the slightest idea about tv calibration and is biased towards Samsung. He thinks that oversaturation and extremely bright highlights is a better image. He is the guy that calls out the filmmaker mode (the most natural and accurate mode) for being trash.
Why the color luminance drops so hard on gamemode on c4? On your first few mins, I love the c4 image but while gaming, i am getting sad. I want to replace my cx48 for c4 42 this year but I mostly play pc games on it…
Burn in protection maybe?
If gaming is your primary concern I’d gamble on Samsung if I were you. Their TVs don’t see the dramatic brightness reduction that the LGs do.
yeah that is a clear flaw with C4 which surprisingly doesnt happen with B4 series so sth is really off with C4 hardware or software. No one has a clear answer on this.
Wow the c4 is looking really good this year, great video well done.
Never saw the C4 brighter than the S90D anywhere besides here. How come?
That's actually a good question, when this first launched everyone said to buy the s90c because they're the same tv basically and now it's somehow worse than the c4 that is supposed to be on paper 200+ nits dimmer
It's likely that samsung tv is thermal throttling
Yeah I have an LG c4 and its dim been changing around the setting A TON for a week trying all kinds of different things. Strangely enough game mode gives me the best picture out of all the settings. thinking about returning to try out the s90d though
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This guy clearly is an lg guy bc I’ve watched at least 40 videos on this and he was the only one who’s saying lg is brighter
On the LG, you can enable HGIG through the Windows Color Control app remotely as a setting for one of the non-GO modes. So you can use FMM+ HGIG for extra brightness and color, while retaining the true accuracy of HGIG. You just set it once and never need to use your PC again unless you turn HGIG off. This is the way.
Color Control connection to the TV will implement a flag in the service menu that can cause LG to deny warranty service. With the adjustable tone mapping options you no longer need to do that anyway. Just set 4000 mastering to 100 and set the game to 1000 nits and it will mimic HGiG.
@@ClassyTechCalibrations got it, but as you point out, your method isn’t as 100% accurate, but I suppose it’s a good compromise to avoid potential warranty issues.
@@westibbs it'll clip if the game supports console HGiG setting or has a working slider. If it's outputting higher than 1000 nits then it will still have some tone mapping, which is imo better anyway.
As long as the eotf will be tracked up to 1000 nits, the roll off with higher luminance values is irrelevant in this case of hgig
@@ClassyTechCalibrationsspeaking of warranty, does the C4 also include a 5 year warranty or is it only on the G4?
Thanks
Youre welcome😁✌️ greetings from polish guy from Scotland🏴
It is good that you talk about FMM for gaming. I have been playing on my G3 with FMM+Allm+HGIG(using colorcontrol)+4:4:4 since day 1.
Latency using FMM has never been a problem at all. Many youtubers talked about that without any proof. It was a big lie.
Moreover LG FTDA is a game changer for HDR gaming. Most people do not realize how important it is to fix black level floor.
Conclusion:despite all the BS said last year, the G3 is absolutly amazing for PC GAMING.
However for console players, HGIG cannot be used with FMM.
I am so glad I did not buy a samsung oled. Why ? For me HGIG and FTDA are 2 essential features for HDR gaming that bring a massive visual improvment. Also, being able to play with FMM is a great option for better color accuracy.
In my eyes, the only weak point for my G3 is that color banding can be seen sometimes in few specific scenario. So that needs to be improved.
Hgig can be used for consoles in fmm, what are you talking about. I did it with the C3 and PS5.
welp, even the C4 STOMPS Samsung this year in terms of clarity and depth. I expected more out of the S90D here, but probably QTV was overhyping it.
Or lg just had a bigger gun
Most of us have expected the S90D to be better than the C4. The S90D is actually worse overall than last year’s models in terms of performance and accuracy. A few tweaks in the service menu as well as calibration and you have a better set than the S90D. I know we all talked about firmware updates gimping Samsung TV, but it’s already held back out the gate.
QTV is a joke
@@icemanandbobtechandgamingHow do you know this? Did you measure the color accuracy yourself?
@@verttisyrjala2897 Yes, I am a hobbyist calibrator and have the means to do so. The S90D does not perform better than last year’s models across the board. In a few areas of measurement yes, but not in real world content. Btw, measurement numbers are meaning less and less in terms of actual content, this is why we don’t speak or show it as much anymore. One set will measure higher and perform worse, be less bright, and etc in real world content.
@ClassyTechCalibrations Great vid, thank you so much for your work! I am eagerly awaiting an S90D calibration vid.
Hey great vid classy! Is the C4 better than the G2 I have the G2 and was debating on upgrading. Thank you for your input.
Rather go for the g3 or wait for a price drop on the g4 rather :D
Are you 100 percent sure this s90d has the QDOLED panel?
very unlikely. he didn't state the sizes. that would have cleared it up but im pretty sure it's a woled panel and not the qd oled
@@alcidescollins9126that’s the only thing that could justify these results.
7:25-7:32 he specifically says its a qd-oled.
Excellent comparison, it seems that because the S90D uses both WOLED and QD-OLED panels, they nerfed this year's QD-OLED outside of game mode, not surprising, because Samsung already does this with Galaxy smartphones that use both Exynos and Snapdragon.
For example, you won't get Wi-Fi 7 on the S24+ Snapdragon variant, because the Exynos variant doesn't have a Wi-Fi 7 compatible modem.
Stop making excuses fanboy LG just has the best oleds period.
@@kingyogesh441The S90D is literally a more capable tv, just with bad processing.
@@jenifersue585There’s a minuscule amount of content that can take advantage of the higher color volume of QD OLED. There’s a reason Panasonic and Philips went with MLA and I wouldn’t be shocked if Sony switched to MLA next year.
Definitely has nothing to do with WOLED panels. The issue is they are still gen 2 panels. Which are the same panels used in last years S90C. Now, that doesn’t mean they can’t get brighter. But they’d have to improve cooling and processing. So, it’s a bit brighter and has a bit more volume as a result of improvements. But it’s still going to be limited by the gen 2 panel.
They don’t produce these panels by the way. It’s not really up to them. Samsung display is actually a separate company entirely. It’s where Samsung and Sony buy QDOLES displays. Just like every WOLED display is produced by LG display. So Samsung can’t just make new panels. They are buying them from Samsung display. And yes they are both subsidiaries of the same parent company. But they’re still very separate companies.
how's the uniformity on the LG C4...and how do you know if the S90D is a QD-OLED panel?
The QD-Oleds always have a pink tint on camera, it doesnt show in real life except for blacks when there is direct light pointing at the TV. Not sure why its so visible on camera.
What would you rather get 65” g3 or the c4?
G3 still better than C4
Oh damn!! G4/C4 Black Friday plus ps5 pro this year 😎
Beast combo,i am using 4080 with c3 48 gonna upgrade for c4 42 😎
Still 7 long months away ... I dont know if i cant wait that long ... need ... to be ... strong.
@@Kivancli79 sameeee. I was set on G4 thinking the C4 wouldn’t be an upgrade but classy is saying it’s the biggest upgrade since the C7 damn 😅
Same C4/PS5P all the way
@@RipYaHeadOff Usually prices come down a bit after 3 months for the "C" models ... by BF it should be around $400/500 off the original price. I am guessing the PS5 Pro is going to be somewhere between $550 and $600/650 tops ... dont think Sony is going to ask like $700 for the Pro, that would be ridiculous. So by BF, in November, an C4 55 inch + a PS5 Pro should be around $2000, maybe a bit less with some discounts here and there. Prices are different between the U.S. and Europe. Anyhows, we ll see!
Classy, I still have a 77” A80J . Would it be an upgrade to get the C4 ?
I had a 65 A80J and recently returned my C3. It was definitely brighter but the A80J had better screen uniformity (no colour tinting) upscaling motion (if you like a lot of motion smoothing the lg will be better because it has less artifacts with high levels of Interpolation), preservation of detail and the menu/os was much faster.
I have the same tv. I'm still hanging on for another year or two. You can probably compare the two on Rtings but I don't think there is enough in it to justify getting a new tv atm.
Good morning Classy!
After owning my C1 for years now, i can't see myself buying anything other than a C series again. Went to my local target and saw a C3 blow away everything else on the wall(including the Sonys).
They just have this clarity to them, its like looking through a clean window. All other TV's look dirty by comparison. This is the first time I've ever developed brand loyalty.
Definitely surprised by these results, but I think something is up with Samsung's color this year. I saw the S95D and S90C side by side at Best Buy yesterday and the S90C colors looked more saturated and popped more. Thought that was interesting.
Yeah that's because the matte screen reduces contrast and color.
No it isnt@@lewisevander
@@ahmet_10 Yes it is
@@mrclamg not at night
Same here
Told my wife Sammy looked washed @ Best Buy
I wasn’t even considering the c4 hmmmmmm… wonder if the 83 will be at same level
Wow, outside of game mode C4 looks significantly better to me.
Wonder if I should wait for the Sony 42 inch model
@@adoniscoolgaming1278 No
I honestly don't care for samsungs game mode as they usually have wacky color compared to their movie modes. I've actually been playing with game mode off when gaming on my s95b recently, much better colors when using bt.2020 in sdr. So if I got the lg I'd be totally fine keeping game mode off.
It's also better in game mode as it's more accurate anyway
Too much latency out of game mode. Even with allm turned on.
i just dont know what to believe anymore, every youtube calibrator keeps saying one is better than the other! This is totally opposite of Quantum's videos
Dam didn't see this coming The C4 beating down a A QD oled , great job classy for nit being bias towards any tv manufacturer .
This is without MLA
Actually, this size of s90d has a woled so its woled vs woled
@@dazaiosamu7323thats a wrong statement. Depending on the region, it can be a QD or a wOLED within a 55 S90D.
@@mrclamgthis s90d seems to be a woled version. Qd-oled right now beats up woled on brightness and color, you can see other vs videos
@@josuexq No there is no indication that this is WOLED version. Also, the WOLED in the G4 beats many QD-OLED TVs depending on what your are testing.
Great comparison video. Surprised by c4. Classy, as a monitor 42 inch size comparing c2 to c3, is the c2 just as good as c3 for use as a PC monitor? Thanks
C2 42 is perfect, i have fixed that absl auto dimming thing from a reddit tutorial and it's perfect, i also have x82l 75 and x90l 75 and nothing comes close to oled....
How does the C4 compare to the G2.
Do the Samsung OLED panels come from LG Display?
Depends…if it is QDO, it’s a Samsung Display panel/tech. If it’s a WRGB OLED (new this year in Samsungs line up) it’ll be a LG Display panel/tech.
Will your S90c settings work for the S90D or are you going to do settings for the S90D?
Great comparison, what would be best oled to watch your video on RUclips 4k/1080 on PC ?
Crazy never expected that. How do both tvs compare to the S90C because i would pick one up literally right know if it's worth it. It's discounted and my C3 is getting sent back tomorrow (can't stand the colour tinting). Would really appreciate your advice. Use case is watching content/gaming (70/30)
At this point I would recommend the S90C/S89C, especially for the lower prices.
Thanks a lot. Is there a possibility for the S90D to be fixed with a firmware update. And does the S90C still beat the C4 in brightness and colour luminance/saturation. Sorry for bothering just want to make a well informed purchase 😅
@@bilalbiriri6596 yes they could change it in firmware. I would be concerned about them breaking something else in the process but if not, then it could get better.
I'll try to compare the S90C to the C4 when I'm back from vacation later this month.
@@ClassyTechCalibrations Got you. Thanks a lot for the help. 👍
So the samsung S90C and the S90D - 77" are both on sale here in Australia. S90C is a guaranteed QD-OLED whereas the S90D has the whole panel lottery with high chances of it being WOLED. Which one should I get?
Lg G4
@Polarbearden too expensive
Awesome work. Quick question...Does the wall mount of the G2 fit the G4
Wow that’s incredible the C4 looks well more impressive the game mode sure is lacking but if can use filmmaker mode on games for same brightness and colour that’s perfect 👌 so instead me setting 800nits for HGIG HDR game mode, I use 1000nit on HDR outside game mode not 4000nit or until all blocks have same brightness? Thanks also can this be used on the C3 4:39
@ClassyTechCalibrations quick question, do you still have to break in a QDoled a certain amount of hours Before Calibrating??
Some yeah. Comp cycles are the best to get done over straight hours.
@@ClassyTechCalibrations Ty brotha. I appreciate it.
I know on my cx, that out of game mode, with allm on, too much latency compared to game mode.
So your saying that you can get the color saturation back and have the same level of latency as game mode on the c4? There must be a difference in lag out of game mode.
Need help I’m using a lg c3 tv with my pc and every time I set the refresh rate to 120hz instead of 60hz I get vertical grey lines noticeable in dark areas of a game I have tried replacing the cable and it doesn’t go away not sure what to do?
try a different source
or reset the tv to factory settings
Hi! I watched your stream on LG G4 calibration, where it was mentioned that it has an always active sharpening that can't be turned off. Could you, by any chance, kindly say whether that's also the case with C4?
Classy! Hope all is well. I'm torn. I have a 42C2 i use for work and gaming. I was thinking of upgrading to a 32" QD OLED monitor (one of the 2024 models). Then I started thinking of perhaps using a 55" Samsung QD OLED. Then I was thinking maybe that is too big. With this video, im thinking of swapping the 42C2 to a 42C4. Or even to the 48C4. What i like about the C series - 4 x hdmi 2.1 ports, glossy screen, dolby vision, apps built in. The QD Oled monitor has a bit higher peak brightness, better color luminance, higher refresh rate, a bit more comfortable screen size. The QD OLED tv would be the brightest, high color luminance, but I'd be about 3 feet away (if gaming, i could probably scoot back but while working, id be about 3-4 feet from the screen). Hmm. Or just stay with the 42C2? Help!
I had similar considerations, and 42C4 is the best overall option. The monitors are not actually brighter either, they only measure 1k nits in tiny window sizes and the APL luminance is lower
Just got 77 s90d and Fak man the picture is crazy good, I haven’t calibrated anything just yet. But out the box this tv is really good. I saw s90d, a80l and g3 I kept coming back to s90d overall so I bought it. The lg clipping is bad, I’m sure you can adjust it.
KG just put out a long comparison of the s90d vs g4. He mentioned a couple times how the non gaming color brightness of the s90d was superior but the g4 whites were better while going through the modes. Does this mean right now the c4 has better colour volume then the g4 or are your specific calibration at play? I don't remember him finding a mode where the g4 was particularly better that way while you found the opposite result with the c4 vs s90d.
I have a LG CX for 4 years now and wanted to upgrade. I can't decide which to upgrade, the 95c or the S90d. I don't want to go with LG this time because of the banding in colours and woled screen is not as colourful as qd oled. Which one would you recommend?
S90C is my main recommendation.
@@ClassyTechCalibrationsnice thanks for replying
Would the improvments to C4 also apply to the 42 inch, or are they linked to the increased brightness that only applies to the larger sizes? Looking to get a c3 or c4 as a monitor but it's really hard to find info about the differences at 42 inch size.
This is it 😎can we have a winner🤔 I say LG life is good😉
Game mode in sdr? Super dim like the c3 or worthwhile improvement ?
@ClassyTechCalibrations When using On the C4 Tone mapping Off with professional turned on do you put all three sliders at 100?
Thanks a lot
@ClassyTechCalobrations Oh No! Something just happened to my S90C and I had to exchange for S90D, which means I had a pay a little bit more money.
Did I make a bad choice? Is the S90D inferior to the S90C??? I feel sick. If you could, please let me know your thoughts so I can cancel the order if need to be.
You should be ok.
C-series is back babyyyy!
Yea babyyyy
@@josuexq lmao
Did lg refine their filters to allow better brightness out of their rgb subpixels? I mean, how are they doing this? Spectacular.
I want a triple display simracing setup and torn between C4 42 inch or the new 32 inch QDOled 240hz displays. Worried the brigtness/reflections of the new QDoleds bouncing of each other will grey out the black. Are my worries justified?
42" size would be amazing for immersion in a racing sim
I currently have the s90d 77-in. I was thinking about taking it back and replacing with the QN90D 85 in which one should I get. I am in the living room with light controlled environment. The only thing I will do is watch movies, TV shows, a little bit of news, no video games. Is the QN90d black levels almost the same as the s90d would I be disappointed with the QN90d.
When u compare g2 vs c4 do you think that they perform similar regarding picture quality and brightness ?
Do you ever share your picture setting's? I just got the s90d and am looking for setting's. Thank you!!
It’s a shame LG didn’t put the Alpha 11 chip in the C4.
Right, the C-series would almost be too good with MLA/new processor
It actually makes sense because the models were very similar
@@beammeupscottsp7952 your describing a g4 at that point dude lol
@@polishdude001 haha yeah at least put one of the two
Beautiful and accurate review . Thank you !
Classy, your technical videos are excellent. Newbie question - Can some firmware updates impact a calibrated picture, thereby negating the benefit of a professional calibration? Thanks.
Wait for these to drop or look for a good deal on S90C?
S90C at a good price is a safe bet and don't have to wait much.
Go S90C.
Is it worth buying a Samsung s90d or is it better to buy a Samsung s90c at a lower price.
Is the c4 still more colorful when both are in standard and vivid mode? Samsung probably purposely kept the colors muted on the accurate modes to make the tv look more accurate. Also using the color booster setting may increase the saturation on the samsung.
Got the settings for S90D somewhere?
It could be that because the S90D sells both WRGB and RGB panels, Samsung was applying a common tone mapping mode for both types of panels, and that this tone mapping was more oriented to the characteristics of the lower WRGB and that is why in a panel RGB with higher brightness and color volume specifications, is the applied tone mapping excessively aggressive?
Could be. Seems like they screwed up this tv this year.
Can you please do a review of the C4 vs the S90D at 48" where they use the same panel? Thanks.
Can you do a settings video for the C4 please?
LG finally upped their game with the C series, eh? They weren't available in Canada when I was looking to buy, so I went with the S90D thanks to the crazy good deal I got on it. I do remember you mentioning that your S90D was crushing black a bit in the early stages of you having it, and it looks like I'm having the same issue. I did a pixel refresh after about a week of using it, and haven't noticed too much of a difference. It's not by any means terrible, but it's noticeable, and I don't want to crank up shadow detail to much if I can avoid it. Any recommendations on how to possibly remedy this issue?
S90C or C4 (+$350) ? And why? Can you confirm that the Samsung has better motion processing with less artifacts? If you put trumotion to 10 does it still create alot artifacts? Thank you man
Is it just me or does the image of the S90D appear SLIGHTLY blurry/less crisp when displaying motion in the video when compared to the C4?
So are these 48 tvs BOTH with woled because I've seen the s90d in person compared to the c4 and it definitely doesn't look like this
Wow the C4 came out swinging this year
Hello, I would appreciate it if you could answer, I wanted to buy the S90D 65, but Samsung has not yet launched it in this size in Brazil, and it is also not shipping to my state because of the floods that occurred, the S95D in partner stores is very expensive, I'm in doubt between LG G3 or S90C?! both with great prices
Judging a TV on the Internet through somebody else’s camera and adjustments is like judging somebody stereo or comparing two stereos without being in the same room. There’s so many adjustments that can be made on a TV and a stereo and there’s different applications for each TV. I own a C9 a C1 and a C4 And I just got the Samsung for my family room because of all the reflections, you can literally see a picture of my kitchen in my screen. The Samsung mitigates that to about 75% Adjusted the way I like it in a bright room it has less glare than any lg I’ve owned. It has slightly more colors and brighter pic than any LG I’ve ever owned. I also compared it to the 77 inch LG c4 in my theater room and the color palette is greater. But that’s just my opinion TVs can be adjusted for preference. Anybody can put two TV side-by-side and make one look better than the other. I also went into the service menu and made sure that my TV was putting out maximum brightness and it was which means I didn’t have the newer software that Nerfed the s90d. But still some people may love the LG C4 better than the Samsung that’s fine, both are incredible tv’s. I’m just trying to make the point that TVs can be adjusted towards preference. Don’t always believe what you see through a camera on the Internet that’s why I subscribed to more than one person on the Internet, who reviews TVs. Would I change my c4 for the Samsung no because my c4 is in a dark room and for movies only and it has a gorgeous picture. And the Samsung with its anti glare is better in a bright room for ME. Does it sacrifice a little bit of contrast yes. What I’m trying to say is both TVs are excellent. I picked one for one application and I picked another one for another application. Though I do not like the matte screens on the s95 at all. LG and Samsung make fabulous products. Pick the one that works with your application. That’s like picking a speaker that works with your room and application. Why does it always have to be you’re wrong? I’m right ones better than the other. Why can’t people just help each other out with what they’ve got and help them to calibrate their TV, whatever model they have for the better. Also, there’s no such thing as the perfect TV. I just don’t know why everybody has to be so personal about it. It’s hilarious 😊😂😊
My man got the Samsung WOLED version 😂😂
Except he didn't. It's a QD OLED. And it's really easy to tell.
1. From the code on the back of the TV or before purchasing.
2. From how it handles colours.
The second point is apparent in this video.
@@exhibitD79example of the code?
@@herrickandreas1580 If you are in the USA it's the difference of the serial code ending.
FXZA vs EXZA
Classy had discussed this before. Tech with KG has a video about. People who know their tech know.
The idea Classy doesn't know what panel he is looking at is silly.
You can also tell by the sub-pixel arrangement which you can see by taking a photo of the screen up close on your phone and enlarging.
@@herrickandreas1580
In the US, serial code ending in
FXZA vs EXZA
@@ghnbtrcv8672 You can also easily tell by taking a photo of the screen on your phone and looking at the sub pixel arrangement.
im ready
Classy, any caveats for the C4 in the 83in model? Liking the value for money I am seeing in the C4 vs the pricey G4 in my desired size.
Haven't seen it yet.
Dynamic Tone Mapping On = C4 is brighter than S90D in HDR?
Classy, you’re an absolute beast🔥🔥🔥🔥 pure facts! not personal opinions!
Classy I must say I love your videos, you’re everything Vincent should be, also LG seems to come for everyone’s neck this year.. Damnnn the difference is night and day here, I’ll be coming from a 65 A8H, will the processing and 3D look be much better on the C4 ? Also going 77 for immersion.
I have the LG C3 great tv but is the c4 worth an extra 1,000$?
how's the uniformity on the C3...is the panel clean?
42" Sony A90k and 42" LG C4 are now the same price (LG is $100 more). I can imagine the C4 edges it out in brightness, as did the C3, but what about sharpness and detail? Is the processing in the A90k still better since the C4 didn't get the a11 chip? I'm still debating between them even though the A90k is 2 years old.
Why didn't you show proof of settings before?
I think i saw a RUclips video that the s90d is panel variation. You may get a qd-oled made by samsung or a woled made by lg and no matter the size. I would say you have a woled s90d as the c4 shouldn't be able to be better. Maybe you can zoom in to the pixels to see the structure then you know for sure which panel you got.
No, all 55/65 that are released in North America are QD OLED. It was definitely verified as a QD OLED.
It's a weird situation then, the s90c looked much better compared to a c3 in the store and on the videos online
@@Mile91903 yes, S90C was better than C3.
The change in tone mapping could be changed in a firmware update on the S90D so we'll see what happens later on. Who knows if they will break something else if they do that though.
@@ClassyTechCalibrationsdid you check the pixel structure?
Come on classy pull ya finger out and get the G4 review out 😂. I have the G4 in the basket waiting on your thoughts . Chromance overshoot is the improvement I'm hoping for over the G3
@classytechcalibrations would you guess that most of the comparisons and conclusions here regarding S90D vs C4 applicable when comparing the S90C 2023 77" QD OLED to the C4? Is the C4 a big upgrade over S90C?
Why comparing lg's Cinema home mode to fmm?
Son of perdition with nano cell ear, and micro brain, please start from the beginning and listen well, s90d in movie mode with active tone mapping ON and c4 bomb in cinema home with dynamic tone mapping ON(i.e. DTM ON)
@@etinosaoyemwense but also was the s90d in fmm static tonemapping compared to lg c4 cinema home.
His tv was calibrated in cinema mode, not cinema home, what your micro brain hasn't conceived.
@user-lm7wq9xm1p 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅, will pardon you because I know you are in state of TIA
Why not use cinema mode like hdr in c4 sdr games??
presumably due to the extra m/s of input lag, but what none of the reviewers are telling us, last year or this year (that I have seen anyway), is what the actual m/s difference in lag is between game mode and other full colour luminance modes. Will it even make any difference to the average gamer?
Does the S90D use AI upscaling..would've that be better than LG C4's processing?
Did they nerf the s90d?
It claims 95d is worse than 90d
The Conman Quantum TV
Is Samsung a fool? LOL
QUANTUM 419
Don't give that clown any attention.
So you watch him?
Geez, the G4 should kill the QD oleds this year, if this is any indication. I thought the S90D would smoke the C4. Maybe if it's in it's brightest and not accurate mode, it will look better for most?
Don't be so sure. I think Samsung gimped the s90d to create a clear and bigger separation between it and s95d. The s90c was basically as good as the s95c. As was the s89c
@@shpankeyI actually think the S90D is better than the S95D because it doesn’t have the matte finish.
So which one should I buy
Which tv have more sharpness and cleaner picture on game mode??
The C4 is 💣
How does the C3 compare to C4?
C4 is a pretty big improvement over C3
@@ClassyTechCalibrations Do you think that also apply to the smaller sizes 42 and 48 inch?
@@khoido9240 I'll get the 42 by the end of the month, but yes it was supposed to be improved and be brighter.
@@ClassyTechCalibrations please let us know your sdr and hdr settngs on your 42" tv!
I mean just look at 6 mins into the video how much better samsung is at handling games. Its on another level. For me its a clear winner.