Cataclysm IS NOT WoW Classic
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
- Season of Discovery is not just the future of WoW, it's the future of Classic WoW. World of Warcraft is a game that is massive, and Cataclysm Classic is repeating the mistakes of the past, by going down the exact same road.
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Do you think Cataclysm is Classic? Am I smoking cr*ck? Let me know.
You're on crack.
No. Its a different game entirely. Regardless of how many people like it.
Ellias Trias jokes about Deathwing being alive and burning Stormwind in SoD during that quest line after Stockades 😮
in Vanilla itself actually
I'm really of the belief right now that due to Wrath's harsh MAU drop off with ICC and Ulduar, and cata likely continuing that trend, that the new timerunning pandamonium (remix or whatever they're calling it now) is the classic experience for mists of pandaria.
Idk, I could be way off base but it feels to me like blizzard is reorganizing to double down on the content that's performing, and to me that's:
1. Retail WoW
2. SoD (which will lead into some sort of classic + client)
3. Likely continuing seasons in the classic aesthetic (this frankly just works - classic enjoyers are generally willing to reroll if the experience is different and exciting enough from season to season, and SoD has proven that nothing is off the table)
4. Continually releasing additional retail client things (BFA remix, another plunderstorm like event, etc - these are all mostly low resource high engagement endeavors that can carry during other intermittent "content droughts".
Classic's largest hype moment was it's original relaunch and that makes sense, because classic players want their experience to be very 2004 and VERY Azerothian. As I mentioned earlier with MAUs in regards to Wrath classic's last "raiding arc", I expect Cata's launch to do well but I don't think it will sustain a larger than expected playerbase throughout it's run, especially considering all of the content coming out during it's run period. imho, it doesn't make sense to continue churning out classic iterations of older expansions - I'd wager that based off pandamonium's success, they'd instead halve the resources needed and just relaunch the expansions that way.
But this is all just my conjecture, sorry I rambled off there for a bit! Great video as always bud, appreciate the points to think on for sure!
Agian, the problem with gaming today, is most people are not on forum, reddit and so on. so its impossible to know what the "most" people want.
I think you're pretty spot on about the separation between classic and retail started with cataclysm.
This is what worries me as someone coming back to WoW, I would only ever come back to Classic. I just found out you can't pick servers that are expansion specific except "Classic" and "Cata classic", and I was wanting to continue with Wotlk Classic, but sadly that won't be an option. I remember when I was younger I stopped playing WoW because of this expansion and how easy it felt. Such a shame.
Idk if it’s classic, but I’m excited. Phase one cataclysm was the best raiding tier WoW has ever had.
Absolutely insane amounts of content for a expansion release.
Lol the last minute of the video was extra funny ;) I already left the classic progression after the first phase of Wrath and went to classic era. I was gonna quit the game for good after doing all the classic raids I missed up to Naxx and was going to quit at that point but then SoD news came out and I always wished to see meme spec classes being viable in a classic setting so came back for that and here I am now in phase 3 getting ready to raid ST soon. Hopefully the end game content doesn't disappoint.
Archeology was the best part of Cata, would be a fun inclusion for classic+
I don't care if Cataclysm is classic or not! It's just a label anyway, and I'm going to enjoy it nevertheless!
imagine enjoying raids that you can do blindfolded over firelands KEKW
I just want a Solid experience whom ever version I even play in, I loved Classic 2019 TBC was okey Wrath was little better but has been active way too long now, SoD P2 was fun, P3 killed it.
Stopped playing Retail in BFA. And now I actually want Prepatch and Cata and later MoP.
there is so many Classic version now, Classic 60/Hardcore and SoD so going with Classic Cata and onwards is totally okey you can still play 3 versions Classic 60s and Retail, so let us have Cata/MoP later i hope.
Classic was classic 2004-5 ,if you think that you played "classic "when blizzard re-released it (vanilla,tbc and wotlk) you are highly mistaken :) so many changes killed the vibe like hard . Cata is different and thats a good thing ,its weird why people always try to compare the games :) you like something and you dislike something and thats perfectly fine ,if more pps understood this we would've lived in a far better world :D
Don’t like SoD anymore. I mained a warrior and hated all the parsing meta etc. Balancing is out of hand
rather wait for a real permanent Classic+ instead of a season and rather play Cata in the meantime
You act like there wont be a parsing meta in Cata. Its the same classic/SoD players....
@@jacobsterling9330 you need to read the whole comment
play Turtlewow brother
@@scarythings3651 good point thanks;) might try Project Epoch soon when ot comes out as well
Cataclysm changes more than just the world zones. It changes so many systems that Cata-WoD is WoW 2. Legion-Shadowlands is WoW 3. DragonFlight not sure yet if it will be part of WoW 3 or Wow 4 (the new trilogy of expansions)
there were gigantic private servers for 'classic', 'tbc' or 'wotlk', has anyone ever heard of a private server for 'CATA'!?? NO!!?? I wonder why, right...
Yes, Cataclysm is Classic, even if only because of Deathwing.
He is the problem with saying "PEople think cata is bad"
Yes the people on forums, reddit and so on will be loud and it feels like cata is not wanted.
BUT! here is the big BUT. Most players are casuals, they don't use forums, they just get off work, play a few hours and don't use social media for wow. That is the large amount of players.
CAta is way better for casuals , then SOD. Why? Because all content can be queued.
also Cata was not bad at release, it was bad in the last patch. up until the last patch, it was amazing for casuals and raiders.
There's no point in playing if all you're going to do is queue for things. Bypassing the social experience, especially due to strict time restraints, makes the game feel much smaller. There are better games to play for people who cannot commit to joining a raiding team and I'm not saying that to be mean, just being objective.
@@theoutlander1411 Your living in 2024, people don't really make friends like they did in the start of wow. people don't want to use the time.
@@Gravesmasher23 Since we are in the year 2024, there are also a bunch of other games that have a better solo experience that are less grindy than WOW.
Man why you gotta hate on cata. I played wow since vanilla but I was also 5 playing on my dads account. Cata was the first time I was old enough to get a max level character with my friends. So many awesome memories of Cata and I am so excited. I also love SoD and think classic+ is wows future. But you don’t gotta hate on cata, there’s no reason both can’t exist and cata is much better than you are giving it credit. Sucks to see a RUclipsr I like who makes such good classic content shitting on a good version of the game just to try and divert resources away from it.
Edit: CATA is also the only expansion to ever add new zones to the old world, which is what all expansions should have been doing since the beginning.
I'm sorry if you saw it that way, I don't view the video as necessarily hating on Cata, but more so about the future of it and if it deserves to be called Classic.
I think Cata will be fun for people, but in my personal opinion, it's not Classic.
And I absolutely agree with your edit. More expansions should focus on fixing and expanding upon the old world.
@@EbonhardtTV tbf I commented before I saw the whole video (damn click bait lol). Your stance was no where near what the video title implied. All that to say… weather you wanna call cata classic or not, the classic dev team is doing awesome stuff!
Semantics matter to some of us a lot.
Sod is only good right now because we expect alot at level 60. Most likely it will be a huge let down.
Classic is better for guilds for sure. But most people "casuals" don't have time for guilds. So the large % of people will not care about your points. Why queue content is a MUST in 2024
Also if you look at SOD, you cant queue for gnom raid, and see how many people are dropping off or shouting about gatekeeping.
btw just reading the books about the timeline in Cata. they are amazing
I started playing as a kid during the beginning of Cata. So yeah its classic to me
Aye man imma put it like this. Cata IS good. Classic is just raid raid raid. That’s it. That’s classic. Fuck that shit. Cata has heroics, raids, pvp GEAR, pvp battlegrounds, pvp arena.
Sod feels so dry and boring now i loved it at first but it just isnt holding up with time. i honestly am more excited to replay cata then play more phases of sod
don't even need to watch to say that this is gonna be a hot take, season of discovery has its merits, but its community heavily destroyed its reputation. filling out a job application to join a raid each phase just ain't it chief, especially when the end game raiding is all there is to do. and nobody can say "just find a guild that does casual runs" sorry yall those don't exist in sod either, gonna have to scoop up a bunch of randoms from trade chat and zugzug it out
That’s the player bases issue not the games. The game is doable with pugs and boomer brains.
@@zepho100 hence why I blame the community for the state of the season, leaves a bad taste in the mouth of potential players
@@heyafehya I haven’t experienced any issues, or toxic people but I play on OCE realms. Maybe the Australians are more chill.
Always a good time for ebonhardt videos
Only thing is better in SOD is community feeling. Cata is better in many ways. Its not alpha retail. Seems like you didnt play it much. Its more like WOTLK + with rewamped old world. LFR was added only in last patch,before t11 and t12 are one of the best tiers in WOW History.
No. Classic Cata is the dumbest ever. The whole point of having classic was to many, to have the OLD world to venture around in. ... Completely braindead. Having a Vanilla+TBC+LK game... would be ace. They could do with it what they do in SoD, so that it won't just die out.. but ofc, Blizzard had to ruin it.
SoD is going down the exact same road too... xp boosts, giving multiple classes the same buffs instead of building SoD off the TBC pre-patch (still only 1-60 but with Blood Elves and Draenei) giving both factions all classes AND the TBC talents which nullifies the need for runes in the first place. TBC fixed the meme specs for the most part, they could have focused on tuning around that as the groundwork atleast. But instead we have highly overtuned runes (which need to cost more mana to be balanced) Lava burst is like 1/3 the mana cost of lightning bolt for example, big spells like that should cost high mana. IDK man,
I highly enjoyed SoD P1 for what it was and was hyped for the future, but P2 and that cancer of a pvp event killed it all for me. It's such a mixed bag that it made me really want a fresh vanilla server or go back and try out dragonflight which I havent played retail since mid-BFA. I'm hoping SoD is just a rough draft of a future classic+, but I really hope they actually put the effort to rebuild the base game and incorporate new classic abilities into the leveling process via training or class quests like all the original abilities are done. The game needs to FEEL like vanilla classic to be a proper classic+, like look at turtle WoW for example, that feels more like vanilla than SoD does, the combat of SoD feels more like wrath which is VERY different to vanilla/TBC.
I actually agree with you. SoD has a great base and in my opinion does need to tone things down a bit more and focus more on the world feeling and classes all being playable, but not incredibly overpowered.
I hope with Classic+ they focus more on the Phase 1 feeling and magic, but as of now, SoD is still great. I like the idea of using the TBC pre patch as the main build to focus on for Classic.
SoD P3 ruined it
I want to play cata because its the best expansion we ever had but I want classic + more
But, I want BC season of discovery 😏
Cata is not Classic, but healer mages and tank rogues is.
Ok bro, go watch some 90's movies with your nostalgia googles.
Eh maybe I kinda wanna play Cata for pvp sod pvp is poo haha
Cata hype!!!
Cataclysm actually is Classic WoW. Season of Discovery however is not.
People have nostalgia for Cataclysm and we can argue Symantecs but but as someone who has played private servers and retail over the past 10 years, I can say that Cataclysm is definitely not a modern expansion.
Cataclysm is the second best expansion ever released. It only has a bad rep because the content was too hard for WotLK enjoyers.
Wotlk already got too hard for many of the players. Why do you think sod and vanilla are so popular? People generally don’t actually want hard content
I actually like Cata as an expansion, but in my opinion, it's not Classic. That's the main point I have about it.
Retail is more popular than all of clsssic combined. More ppl ran keys this season than both previous seasons and at an average level of 17 or so. @@zdubzz1280
Your completely wild if you really believe cata is the 2nd best xpac. It's not better than legion, bfa, wotlk, or even mists.
@@michaelmoran2125your high. It was better then legionand mop combined
CATA RUINED CLASSIC@@!!!! LIKE IT'S FUCKING GARBAGE, NGL I WOULD PREF..
When I saw chrome press the button for classic, I thought to myself why doesn't she just stop the cataclysm?? Starting an entirely new timeline
Speaking of, With season of discovery and the the potential for Xalatath ,other announcements and theory crafting. Maybe it already is a new timeline
Why is the city I built in your background...?
Man... Am I really the only one who doesn't get to enjoy the fruits of my labor...?
Hey man, did you make the art for the city background? If so, I can stop using it going forward if it bothers you. I just found a random city background on Google.
Classic ends with legion. After legion wow was shit
Sod sucks
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Cataclysm 😂
true
Anything with classic content is better than cata!
SoD Enjoyer OMEGALUL
Cataclysm is where people started asking for classic servers. Re-releasing cata as "cata classic" is just a cash grab.
booooo SoD sucks sooo much
Cata is retail classic
You haven't played Cata, have you? If you have you wouldn't say stupid shit like that
@@adreak9868 I played the original yes.
My retail characters are still in cata gear.
Literally every x pack is better than cata mop was way better they didn’t put enough effort in to the game play In Cata they focused on redoing the contents
SOD > Cataclysm. I have zero interest to play that expansion again.