I will offer a syllogism: Grapes ripen in the Northern Hemisphere in late summer/ early fall. Israel is in the Northern Hemisphere. Grape juice without a preservative will become wine in less than 14 days. Winemakers of the biblical era had no preservatives to keep grape juice from fermenting. The Last Supper was in April. Therefore: Jesus the Christ, the True Vine, was indeed a wine drinker- alcohol was what kept the beverage stable enough to prevent spoilage.
Nice try, but obviously Jesus synthesized special non alcoholic wine from water as He did in John 2 ;) Unfortunately, many Christians' objection to all alcohol consumption is not based in scripture or logic. While this may convince some people, I fear that many will find a way to excuse it away - because since scripture doesn't explicitly state that the wine contained ethanol, who's to say that isn't what happened? And since we can't say definitively that this isn't what happened, then why not say definitively that it is what happened, because all events in scripture must be interpreted through the higher assumption that my conviction - all consumption of alcohol is wrong - is true, rather than forming my convictions based off of a straightforward interpretation of scripture? This is why the concept of Christian liberty is so important; but of course, even that has its complications. Some people view the drinking of alcohol as, in principle, the same as eating food sacrificed to idols, and so the concept of Christian liberty applies. But some view it as being as cut and dried as something like cold blooded murder or adultery, so they aren't willing to extend the principles of Christian liberty to those who practice it. All we can do is try our best to follow scripture as we understand it, and help others to do the same, and ask for forgiveness when we get it wrong; bearing with those whose weak faith causes them to condemn others for doing things which God has not condemned; knowing that, despite our best efforts, we might have some deeply held convictions of our own that are not completely based in scripture. Love covers a multitude of sins. Personally, I don't drink alcohol. I've had problems with it in the past, and as a young person in America, I feel it sends a bad message; since so few of my peers drink responsibly, it could give the impression that I am down with drunkenness. I would recommend that those who do not currently drink, refrain from taking it up; this seems wise to me. When my Christian friends drink, it makes me very uncomfortable; because of my past experiences, and my own preferences for consuming alcohol, it is hard to separate in my mind responsible consumption from unbridled drunkenness and partying. But I have Christian friends who drink. Some of them do so irresponsibly - which further strengthens my knee-jerk reaction that alcohol should be avoided at all costs, that the idea that someone can exercise self control and drink in moderation is a myth, that nothing good can come from it. But some of them do it responsibly; I know from personal experience that some people genuinely have no desire to get drunk, even though they enjoy a drink on occasion. I have known some for many years who have, in the entire time that I've known them, been "drinkers", but never drunkards. To the pure all things are pure. For some it has even been a means of maintaining a relationship with the lost; getting a beer with an old friend every now allows them to stay in contact. Staying in contact increases the opportunity to witness; to show how God is working in their life. And of course, the most reasonable reading of scripture is that alcohol abuse, not alcohol itself, is sinful, and that Jesus, His disciples, and many Christians over the years drank wine with alcohol. Of course, at the time the Scriptures were written, there was no word for ethanol, or understanding that this was the chemical which caused intoxication; meaning, if one really wishes to, they can perform all kinds of mental gymnastics and make all kinds of assumptions that aren't explicitly stated in scripture, to come to the conclusion that Jesus never consumed alcohol; but it's hardly the most reasonable reading of scripture. And that is what I wish for the people on here that are convinced that all consumption of alcohol is wrong. Stop declaring unclean what God has declared clean. This truly is an issue of food sacrificed to idols; and it is good and righteous to abstain from something that will cause you to struggle - but not good and righteous to then declare that same thing off limits for those who don't share your conviction, and to judge those who practice it. At the same time, those who do practice drinking should be gracious of those whom it causes to struggle; all things are permissible, but not all things are beneficial. Cracking open a cold one with the boys isn't a problem if your conscience doesn't convict you; but if one of those boys is very uncomfortable with alcohol, and has communicated that fact to you, maybe save it for another time.
@@Anonymous-so1ho I appreciated reading your reply; quite refreshing. I have my own vineyard, and have hundreds of gallons of wine at my disposal. Rather than choosing to imbibe until I vomit, I sip one serving a day and thank the Lord for such a wonderful, stable beverage. Should I say something offensive, or act out in an ungodly manner that is consequent to my sin and my unclean nature-- not the beverage. Thanks again for the exchange.
But you don't understand. HE PERFORMED A MIRACLE. He can turn water into FRESH RIPENED GRAPE JUICE no matter what time of year because he is God. Now that is amazing. That is something to celebrate. It also tasted far better.
The grape harvest goes through July. With no refrigeration in biblical times and the last supper being in April I can assure you that the wine was fermented.
But Jesus performed a miracle. A fresh harvest was a great thing and to have fresh grape juice was something to celebrate. Jesus could have changed the water into the "fresh grape harvest" juice because why wouldn't he?
@@emilykovacs029 that’s the point I try to argue with people you’re right just because other people may want a certain way does it mean Jesus did the same thing as them he performed a miracle Jesus doesn’t have to use the same technology as a normal man
@@emilykovacs029 because the Bible doesn’t say he did. It says he turned it into wine. And please don’t get confused with the words. Wine is wine and grape juice is grape juice and they are not interchangeable.
The greek word they used for wine back then also means grape juice.. so Jesus could have made water into grape juice. I think Jesus won't want his people to get drunk from the wine he made.
They all said "I think" instead of saying the Bible says. So I think I can smoke a little bit of weed shouldn't be a problem then right? Long as I don't get high
Lots of lost people do not smoke weed, and lots of believers John 3:18 do. Whether you smoke weed or not has nothing to do with whether you have believed John 3:16-18. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, and we all sin, (First John 1-8) and we all die, but the GIFT of God is eternal life, through Jesus Christ our Lord
Romans six:23 The gift of God is eternal life. Not a reward for good behavior. Romans 4:5-8. First John 1:8 If we say we have not sin, we deceive our selves and the truth is not in us. Romans 3:23 and Romans 3:9-10.. But we have His perfect righteousness apart from works. Romans 4:six. Ephesians 2:8-9 Ephesians 1:13-14. Our guarantee of eternal life by faith alone in Jesus finished work on the cross alone.
I agree wholeheartedly, I am a born again Christian/ AND I AM STRUGGLING BADLY!!! ANY ALCOHOL IS A POISONOUS SUBSTANCE TO OUR BODY!!!!! The bible tells us that: our bodies are the temple of GOD!!!! I DO NOT CONDONE JESUS turning water into wine/ the bible says: that at the wedding the people were well drunk / then JESUS turns water into more wine!!!!! JESUS was a perfect human/ well I’m sorry BUT/ a perfect human would NOT condone the drinking of ANYTHING that would be poisonous to our bodies. Oh so then it must be ok to have a few cigarettes or cigars in moderation also!!!!!! There’s quite a few things I have issues with that are in the bible/ especially in the Old Testament. AND I AM A TRUE BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN!!!!! So you can imagine my pain and outrage over this!>>!!!! Some say/ oh well the alcoholic content wouldn’t of been the same back then. Aaah well/ read how Noah and others in the bible became drunk also!!!!! How can JESUS condone booze is beyond anything rational!!!!!! If there’s going to be wine at the marriage supper of the lamb/ then even as a born again Christian/ I will NOT be attending. I will not under any circumstances drink / nor sit with anyone that’s putting poison into their bodies. I’m very firm on this too.
Having a degree in Viticulture and Enology, I love hearing people make ridiculous explanations about how grape juice was preserved year round 2000 years ago.
@@JohnnyYuma405 The ancients practiced the following ways of preserving grape juice. They would filter the juice through strainers and remove the protein (albumen); this would leave no yeast for fermentation. Putting fresh juice in jars and sealing it with pitch, placing the jars in cool pools of water, and keeping the temperature at a certain degree so the yeast would not multiply. Placing fresh juice in jars and burning sulfur dioxide over the jars. Dried raisins, (boiled for juice). Boiling fresh juice down into a syrup called dibs; later they would dilute it with water and drink it as a beverage.
@@joemonroe9456 Everything you said is just bullshit, grasping at various ways to explain it away. It might work with know-nothings but not with me, someone who has a degree in the chemistry of fermenting wine. What kinds of strainers are you going to use to strain out the yeast? Cloth?
@@JohnnyYuma405 It can also be boiled. I believe the straining was also to remove the chunks of grape which had the yeast attached. Kinda like a mask which removes droplets which have smaller viruses attached. In any case, boiling will kill the yeast, and incidentally will also cause alcohol to evaporate.
You may be right but this still does not change the fact that even Jesus Himself drank wine. Luke 7:33-34 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, ‘He has a demon!’ The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Look at this glutton and drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and of sinners!’
Tom Fisher in dictionary 55yrs ago wine was defined as fermented AND NON fermented. why would they take that out of the dictionary now? JESUS was SINLESS. he hung around drunkards and the lije to CHANGE Them NOT to keep thetm in their sin.
I have searched the Internet for anyone who can see and hear the Lord and your sentence is truth ! It is Jesus' greatest prophecy and he reveals his true purpose in this prophecy !
Which wine? Because it says don't drink the wine when it is red (alcoholic), and the new wine comes from the presses. Alcohol is the wine of Sodom (Deut. 32) as opposed to the pure blood of the grape which represents the blood of Jesus. @@fishersofmen4727
@@hupernikomen2015 I agree He was Sinless but what does that have to do with drinking wine? Is drinking a glass of wine with a meal sin? NO, its not!!! If you think drinking at all is evil you missed the verse that says. “Listen and understand, It’s not what goes into the mouth that defiles a man, but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”
9 And when the headwaiter tasted the water that had become wine, without knowing where it came from (although the servers who had drawn the water knew), the headwaiter called the bridegroom 10 and said to him, "Everyone serves good wine first, and then when people have drunk freely, an inferior one; but you have kept the good wine until now." If you know here where it says, most people serve the good wine first, and then after people have drunk freely, the inferior wine.... anyone who has had a little bit too much wine and gotten a little bit tipsy or drunk can tell you that the reason this was done was because after you have become a little bit tipsy and drunk you can no longer tell the difference between the good wine and the bad wine so it is safe to say the wine was extremely alcoholic..... it is most likely the same wine that Noah drunk in the Old Testament after the flood had subsided and his son's found him so drunk that he was passed out in a cave..... look that one up: Noah, a man of the soil, proceeded a to plant a vineyard. 21When he drank some of its wine, he became drunk and lay uncovered inside his tent.... Genis 9. 18-26 approximately. And we can safely stay that Middle Eastern wine is very strong and it is still made in a very similar old fashioned way.... and this would be the same wine Jesus used at The Last Supper when he said to his disciples take this all of you and drink of it, for is the Chalice of my Blood, shed for you and for the many, and for the remission of sins..... the new Covenant sealed in my Blood..... Now, I am not advocating for getting drunk or drunken behaviour, but this is just to point out that the wine was not just grape juice, but alcoholic and alcoholic enough to get one drunk.....
The best wine is the freshest, not fermented. Do you know how drunk you have to be to not know what something tastes like? When Christ calls us to be sober, it is not just in the spiritual sense. Anyone who is given to alcohol knows, your inhibitions, judgement, and senses go out the window. Whenever Jesus speaks of wine concerning His blood, it is 'new' wine.
@dark-sayings You actually don't need to be that drunk at all, for your taste to be inhibited. This can start happening after the first few glasses, and I've been there and done that myself, particularly in my clubbing days before I gave up a life of sin. When Jesus refers to new wine 🍷 He is not speaking about physical new wine, but rather talking about His (the) New Covenant He is bringing about by His [New] Sacrifice, Death and Resurrection is bringing about. He is the New Lamb of God, as He is referred to by John the Baptist in scripture(as opposed to the old lamb sacrificed in Egypt that freed the Hebrews from Pharaoh and slavery). He frees us from Slavery to sin, death, and Satan. The New Covenant also refers to His New Law of Love that He brings about by His Passion, Death and Resurrection as opposed to the Old Covenant, the old Jewish Laws and Sacrificial animal practices which were a mere typology and preparation for His New Passover Sacrifice which He brought about in the Upper Room which transformed the old Passover/Covenant into the New (which made Present His Sacrifice, Death and Resurrection He would undergo on Good Friday and Easter Sunday, (including a New Priesthood being the Apostles and their descendants, not by a bloodline like the Levites, but by the guidance of the Holy Spirit as in Acts 1. 23-27 (where Matthias was given to take over the office of Judas Iscariot who died by his own hand due to despairing rather than turning to God's Mercy), which would have also involved the laying on of hands, not specifically mentioned here , but in other parts of the Acts). So it has nothing to do with physical new wine. But the New Covenant and New Law that He was bringing about. Also as someone who worked with, for a brief times in my teens, a Serbian family Who used to make wine the old-fashioned way by crushing grapes under your feet, the longer you let the wine ferment in barrels kept in a dark cool place, the better it tasted. If you got impatient and went to try and have some of this wine to early, it tasted horrible. That's why even to this day, the older the wine, and the longer it has been allowed to mature, the more expensive it is, and the smoother and the better the flavor..... Wine gets better with age! Hopefully, like you and me 🤣 😂 God bless you my friend 😇 🙏
Jesus said he came to them drinking and eating and they called him a drunk and a glutton. He also said that what goes into the body is not what defiles the body it's what comes out that comes from the heart. He said what you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it to God. It's different to drink a little than to be a drunkard. Why would he even mention that it was ok to drink wine if he was talking about grape juice?
@Jesus Saves absolutely right! That’s the verse that I tell people who think Jesus made alcoholic wine at the wedding. Jesus would be breaking the law if he did. Once you read the entire bible on the subject and the Lord gives you wisdom and opens your eyes, you’ll find out that alcohol is the DECIEVER. Is it’s the venom of vipers and dragons Deut 32:33. And who is the decider and the dragon refer to in the Bible? Yep the devil who deceiveth the whole world rev 12:9. The whole world is under it. Even Solomon in all his wisdom told us , that it’s not wise if you get deceive by alcohol proverbs 20:1 It’s not for kings to drink wine or strong drink Prov 31:4. But are we Kings? Lol yeap Rev 1:6 Now, for all of people saying that is ok to drink a little (moderation) well I got news too from the Apostle Paul. He says there is no such a thing as moderation when you drink alcohol Ephesians 5:18. There is always excess. In conclusion the Bible clearly speaks about alcohol.. it actually screams out loud when you read it.. it screams DONT DRINK IT , DONT DRINK IT , DONT DRINK IT!. Stay sober and vigilant brothers and sisters!
@@augustinevn7408 Isaiah 25:6 And in this mountain The Lord of hosts will make for all people A feast of [a]choice pieces, A feast of [b]wines on the lees, Of fat things full of marrow, Of well-refined wines on the lees.
@@augustinevn7408 Psalm 104:14-15 You cause the grass to grow for the livestock and plants for man to cultivate, that he may bring forth food from the earth and wine to gladden the heart of man, oil to make his face shine and bread to strengthen man's heart.
It’s funny as they said, “they drank wine at church and they didn’t get drunk”. Where’s the limit that you call “drunk”? Many drunk people can act very normal that others wouldn’t notice. There’s no such thing as drinking alcohol and not being affected by it.
No. My extended family drinks. Most of them can have a small amount of alcohol without effect. Alcohol is processed in the liver. Intoxication occurs when the amount or speed overwhelms the liver.
Your explanation on consuming wine to say It's ok to indulge, but don't abuse it. However, if drinking causes or influences one to sin. Isn't that like saying, "you can sin a little just as long as you don't overdo it"?. That seems to cloud the idea that one without sin, would slightly influence it. Please answer, because I'm still struggling to find a better answer. Unless, the word "wine" was translated wrong.
wine - was unfermented, see Isaiah 65.8 it says the wine is in the cluster of grapes hanging on the vine...so it is unfermented..plus luke 1.15 says John the Baptist as the forerunner of Christ was forbidden to touch any type of alcohol...proverbs 20. 1 says wine is a mocker, I read 3 books on wine and they all agree the wine JEsus made and drank was unfermented
This is WHY people NEED a good "concordance" and a lot of "cross-referencing of scriptures, for issues like these... It is OK if you don't feel comfortable drinking a small-moderate amount of alcohol once in a while, but it is sinful to impose your own conscience onto another as "doctrine". Independant Fundamental Baptists, not ALL but many, seem to adhere to this false doctrine of "any amount of alcohol is a sin". Wine CAN indeed refer to either unfermented or fermented grape juice. It is language and CONTEXT which dictates the truth on each mention. The wine that Jesus made was most CERTAINLY alcoholic, here is why... Look at the language structure and the uses in context of the word "wine"_"oinos"(G3631) and the word "drunk"_"methyo`". Look at their Greek definitions, uses in scripture as well as the context in which they are used. First. let's look at the passage "John 2:10", the wedding miracle at Cana... Let's state the context for the partial scripture of John 2:10 before taking a look at this study. Jesus had just commanded His disciples to fill the water pots with water and draw out the water, which Jesus turned to wine, and bring it to the master of the feast... "And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good *WINE* ; and when men have *WELL DRUNK* , then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good *WINE* until now." John 2:10 Let's focus first on the word "wine" which comes from the Greek word "oinos"(G3631). Oinos[G3631]-- primary word (wine) , from Hebrew origin "yayin" H3196-- to effervesce by quality of fermentation. Alcohol, wine, winebibber. To further understand this word, let us look at the uses of this word in scripture. We will look at three passages. "And be not drunk with *WINE* , wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit..." Ephesians 5:18 Same word, oinos(G3631) used in a command by Paul to NOT be intoxicated with wine. "And no man putteth new *WINE* into old bottles: else the new *WINE* doth burst the bottles, and the *WINE* is spilled, and the bottles will be marred: but new *WINE* must be put into new bottles." Mark 2:22 Same word "oinos" used in a parable about the new covenant using the symbology of wine's fermenting qualities. This is illustrated by the fact that "the bottles BURST" from the alcoholic fermentation qualities... "For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither *WINE* nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb." Luke 1:15 Same word "oinos" used here as a command for John the baptist's lifestyle of abstaining from intoxicating beverages as a prophet to prepare the Messiah's path before Him... Next, we will look at the word "drunk" in John 2:10. Drunk G3184: methyo: to drink to intoxication, get drunk. To make or be made drunken. see 1 Corinthians 5:11(methysos) " But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a *DRUNKARD* , or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat." 1 Corinthians 5:11 Drunkard: "Methysos" G3183(from root word [methyo] "G3184") : Tipsy, a sot. Drunkard/alcoholic.(see John 2:10) Before some joker tries to pull the "you're just trying to justify your sinful carnal desires!!" card, THINK AGAIN! I haven't had a DROP of ethanol in ANY form for over 11 years. Not because I CAN'T, but because I choose not to so as not to make weaker brothers stumble. Some people are weak in the faith and do not fully understand the truth of this matter. They feel "offended" regarding the blessing of alcohol/wine and their conscience is weak in this matter. On THEIR behalf, not mine, I choose to abstain so to walk in love. If I ever DO choose I would like a glass of wine, I shall ONLY do so PRIVATELY in my own home and away from the presence of a weaker brother's conscience... "Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another. For meat destroy not the work of God. *All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence* . It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing *whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak* . *Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth* . And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for *whatsoever is not of faith is sin* ." Romans 14:19-23
Very good. This video was terrible and you did a great job laying out the word in an unbiased way. Like you we choose not to, not because we think it’s wrong to occasionally have wine but we want to be set apart this for the Lord. That’s it. It’s an outward profession of our changed lives in the Lord. Again, great job.
Yes you're right ligtd. The bible says each man must make up his own mind whether he wants to drink wine or not. Although we are never to cause a brother to stumble. Let no man judge you in what you eat or drink.
Don't let alcohol fool you. Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise. Prov. 20:1 John the Baptist wasn't eating or drinking anything from the grape and they said he had a devil , so when Jesus drank and ate products of the grape (not alcoholic wine), they called Him a drunkard because they were false accusers, not because he drank alcoholic wine. You have to understand the Jewish culture of the time and the Nazarite vow. They knew that Proverbs condemned alcohol. (Look not on the wine when it is red (alcoholic))
I'm far from an expert but it doesn't take a rocket scientist or theologian to figure it out. It was the year 33 AD or so. The making of grape juice or wine was pretty simple you squeezed the juice out of grape in a wine press or by stomping on them. The new juice was grape juice. Grape juice can naturally ferment and develop alcohol. Now here's the clincher. Grape season was from June - September. The Last Supper was in April. That 6 months of the grape juice sitting there without preservatives. What do think the alcohol content in the Grape juice was at the Last Supper? Did Jesus drink it? IDK. Now when was the Wedding in Cana?
Colossians 2:sixteen. Let no man, there fore, judge you in food, OR IN DRINK, or of a feast day, or of a new moon, or of a Sabbath day. The Pharisees accused Jesus of eating and drinking with sinners. Who else was he going to eat and drink with? First John 1:8 Romans 3:23. Romans 3:9-10.
If an engine on a plane is about to explode and cause great ruin it is entirely appropriate to shut it down. If one part of the garden of God, the olive tree, the fig tree and the vineyard goes bad we cut it down and burn it. Why do Baptist families who ban wine have more of a problem with alcoholism than Jews who do not? Back to the plane with the shut-down engine of celebration. Is there hope the engine can be replaced and the plane can be repaired and fly on all engines again? Is there hope that the ruined vineyard can flourish again as God ordained it in the garden of God? What was the first miracle Jesus did? And why did he do this? Is celebration, the wine, singing, the dance, bad in itself? Does the devil own celebration? Or are we are just sour grapes? What was the value and the divine purpose of the vineyard and the wine of communion according to Holy Scripture? What is the value of the vineyard and the wine according to Jotham’s riddle in Judges 9:13?
explain this verse Please KJV And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,Deuteronomy 14:26
Strong drink was for the drink offering which was poured out. It represents the wrath of God. The pure blood of the grape represents the blood of Jesus. And the drink offering thereof shall be the fourth part of an hin for the one lamb: in the holy place shalt thou cause the strong wine to be poured unto the LORD for a drink offering.
@The Man With No Name Your ignorance of history and the Bible is astounding. Try reading the Bible instead of spouting the same tired lies of drunkards. Your brain is addled from alcohol intoxication. You think that giving someone that is dying alcohol is a license for everyone to poison themselves. Drink not the wine when it is red (fermented). That verse alone demolishes your satanic interpretation of the holy scriptures.
@The Man With No Name The drink offering was poured out and represents the wrath of God. Who is telling you lies, because you have clearly not read much of the Bible.
@@joemonroe9456 dude you are a fool, historically Jews drank wine even in the Passover you have to drink wine not grape juice don’t read the Bible in 21 century lenses and another historical fact grape juice wasn’t even invented till 1869
The question is .Is it better to drink or not to drink preaching the Gospal with a beer in your hand.Is it ok the shot some heroin once a year in Amsterdam with my family at Xmas ,we do it every year but only once it's a family thing yeah right.
+Jose Smilez what are you saying Slang: Extremely Disparaging and Offensive. a contemptuous term used to refer to a black person. Is this what you mean.?
@@jif8802 It's poison just like alcohol. Very good analogy. Not good to intoxicate(poison) yourself. From Deuteronomy 32 2For their vine is of the vine of Sodom, and of the fields of Gomorrah: their grapes are grapes of gall, their clusters are bitter: 33Their wine is the poison of dragons, and the cruel venom of asps. 34Is not this laid up in store with me, and sealed up among my treasures? Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils. 1 Cor. 10:21
Me as an Alcoholic should not drink wine of any sort I don’t believe Jesus drank the same type of fermented wine we drink today. It had some type of fermentation but not like we drank today as wine.
Pointless, we all know that we are the temple of God, we all know what is good or bad for us, alcohol or no alcohol we all should served God. The enemy wants us to fight for anything, a divided kingdom is easy to destroy.
To me you have hit the main target....division. On this issue, and many others, the legalists, the pharisaical, are dividing the Kingdom over this issue. Let's be clear, the division on this topic is coming from one side of this debate (mostly). To me, that's the main point. Scripture is clear. The wine in the Bible - oft referred to positively - is alcoholic just as the the wine warned against is. It's a heart issue. A personal issue. There is not a "thus sayeth" edict for all that I can see.
I don’t drink around people. I drink at home only in moderation. No reason to offend people or even get into a debate about this, but I definitely will not be taking biblical advice from someone who thinks the Bible is instructing us to not be given to much grape juice.
Noah got drunk with wine, Lot got drunk with wine. Of course wine is fermented. The Bible specifies: drunkards, not to drinking wine will condemned you. Big difference. If it makes you not to control it, then is not for you.
Jesus was without sin. He did not drink fermented alcohol in any form because that would be sin. The Bible says in Proverbs don't even look upon the wine when it is red in the glass. There is a difference between juice and fermented wine. The Bible speaks many times against drunkenness. Jesus would not have created a fermented form of alcohol causing people to sin drinking it. It is not the character of God to tempt anyone to sin.
For communion we should use wine because that is what it says. As For the argument about using wine it might make one relapse let us not forget being a Christian has a lot to do with self control and our father does not lead us into temptation but deliver us from evil. Having real fermented wine at communion, as the Scriptures show us by necessary inference and authoritative example, does not mean we are getting drunk on it or that it should even lead us into temptation. Our focus is unifying the body and getting our minds centered on the Lord and His will for us
The issue of alcohol has never been addressed properly. This has made many people to drink it in hiding which is wrong. There are various doctrines around wine. The Bible says that all things are permissible but not beneficial. I would have no problem drinking wine. I have in the past without getting drunk. That's me.
Luke 7:34 ' The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!' Wine was an integral part of Jewish culture. Jesus did drink wine. All the Biblical Patriarchs did drink wine. The Bible does not condemn drinking of wine itself. But it does condemn drunkenness. There is a difference.
I never read where Jesus dranked wine. He turned water to wine, but it never said he dranked it. The Bible also say touch not taste not handle not which is harmful to your flesh. But you can get the fruit from the vine and let it set, it will turn to wine. But you guys never answered the question yet
There are scriptures that indicate He did indeed drink wine...two instances I know of....the key word being indicate. What we do know is that the water He turned into wine was given to guests who in many cases were already somewhat intoxicated. I think that's a red flag to anyone preaching 100% abstinence for all here. I think God has this here for the shock value, but that's just my take. As for harming the flesh, it's pretty clear now that wine, and even other adult beverages, taken in moderation and with a meal, is GOOD for your flesh. Same for dark chocolate and coffee too!
Amen! Because I don’t understand why would an angel come to tell John the Baptist’s parents in Luke chapter 1 verses 13 to 15 for him not to drink any kind of alcohol, but that not stand for our God our Lord Jesus Christ our savior!?
yes i belive in true jesus who never drank alcohol who never killed jews even he forgave a prostitute who was a sinner "those who have not sin in thier life can throw rock at this woman"-bible who created fermented wine and drank it with many disciple and nobody got drunk who said to me "there is room for everyone in my fathers house in heaven as ther is on earth" i believ that jesus and apart from that i dont know any other jesus and i believe with full faith king of kings i bow down to you
Do not let people fool you, they have made new rituals and Laws based on tradition not Truth. Jesus drank wine just read for yourself but beyond that let Him teach you in the Spirit and trust NO MAN not even me. Luke 7:33-34 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, ‘He has a demon!’ The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Look at this glutton and drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and of sinners!’ Matthew 26:28-30 28 This is my blood of the[a] covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. 29 I tell you, I will not drink from this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.”
@@fishersofmen4727 Don't let alcohol fool you. Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise. Prov. 20:1 John the Baptist wasn't eating or drinking anything from the grape and they said he had a devil , so when Jesus drank and ate products of the grape (not alcoholic wine), they called Him a drunkard because they were false accusers, not because he drank alcoholic wine. You have to understand the Jewish culture of the time and the Nazarite vow. They knew that Proverbs condemned alcohol. (Look not on the wine when it is red (alcoholic))
@@joemonroe9456 Well I know in many Messianic Churches and Jewish synagogues they give out wine so its not a Jewish custom to hate wine, its actually an Arab custom. You might be right about Jesus never drinking alcohol, but we know Jesus made alcoholic wine at the wedding party. Why would the man say that they bring out the worst wine last if it was just grape juice? Look Jesus said its not what goes into a man that defiles him but what comes out, wine is not the problem but the heart of man is the problem. The Bible also says this about wine, so we know drinking is not the problem in itself. Proverbs 31:6 ESV Give strong drink to the one who is perishing, and wine to those in bitter distress.
@@fishersofmen4727 the wine Jesus made at the wedding was not alcoholic. That would make Jesus a law breaker (sinner) if he actually did according to Habakkuk 2:15. And don’t take the accusations that Jesus was a winebibber true. It was a false accusation. They accused Jesus of being a blasphemer, a sinner, a liar, one who had a devil, and mad man, etc etc.. was Jesus any of that? So how can he be a winebibber also? Lol if you take the accusation of him being a winebibber, then are all the other accusations true? . But they are not true. Read the Bible entirely and you’ll find out that alcohol is the DECEIVER. the venom and poison of vipers and dragons. The whole world is under it and getting deceived by it. Stay sober stay vigilant. Don’t be deceived!
@@augustinevn7408 Habakkuk is not even apart of the Books of the Law/Torah, you are creating more laws that are not even real laws by taking the Bible out of context. Also Habakkuk is talking about those who use Alcohol to get others naked and look at them, perverts. Proverbs 31:6 says "Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts" So is the Bible contradicting itself or are you just wrong, I think its you not the Bible. Listen, whatever cult like works based Church you are in RUN, You have been warned, you will not be justified on Judgment day by your works. Jesus said it was not what goes into the body that defiles them but what comes out, remember that. Acts 10:15 The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”
Colossians 2:16 Let no man, therefore, judge you in food, OR IN DRINK, or in a feast day, or of a new moon, or of a Sabbath day. We are under grace not the law. Galatians 2:21. John 3:18.
The word of God says be holy as I am holy if Jesus drink wine he would ceased to be a perfect holy sacrifice for our sins.the wine Jesus drank was unfermented just like we have today we have arms unlimited wine and we have alcoholic wine there's two different kinds the Bible also says to be sober-minded at all times that means you cannot take anything is mind-altering so just pain pills alcohol marijuana anything that is intoxicating that changes the way you think it is demonic
WINE WAS UNFERMENTED....read Isaiah 65.8 - the wine is in the cluster of grapes so these people are wrong ---plus - John the Baptist was forbidden to drink wine or strong drink...so if he could not - Christ could or would not....plus Christ said he would drink the fruit of the vine with his disciples in heaven, so do we expect alcohol in heaven....the bible is either for or against it, it is not up to the person...alcohol kills people from drunk drivers or domestic violence
It never occurred to me, before watching this, that I was up to a debate based on human perceptions, rather than the Word of God. For sure, by their fruits you shall know them.
this is dangerous and wrong, your main argument was from a culture perspective, and not a biblical one. This is a violation of Matthew 5:19. Proverbs 20:1 says wine is a Mocker (sin), it is not stated if it is abused. There is more than one meaning for wine. When you profess Christianity where untold people will be influenced by what you say. There is much on this topic that needs to be explained.
Do not let people fool you, they have made new rituals and Laws based on tradition not Truth. Jesus drank wine just read for yourself but beyond that let Him teach you in the Spirit and trust NO MAN not even me. Luke 7:33-34 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, ‘He has a demon!’ The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Look at this glutton and drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and of sinners!’ Matthew 26:28-30 28 This is my blood of the[a] covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. 29 I tell you, I will not drink from this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.”
Yasha Jackson No He did not. When the word wine is used in the Bible,it can relate to alcohol or grape juice. In Habakkuk 2:15 the Bible condemns any high priest who gives his neighbors drink to make him drunk. Jesus is The High Priest in Hebrews and is faithful. He would have given them strong drink,He would have violated Hab 2:15. The Bible always uses strong drink in a bad context,and in many passages condemns it. Some people just want to justify drinking so they can sleep better.
Noah was the first know person to plant a vineyard and what happened,, he got drunk.... so I would say the fruit of the vine is fermented besides the symbolism behind the process of fermentation is very interesting.
Mosaic laws priests did not drink alcohol. Jesus was a Jew and followed the Mosaic law. If he did drink alcohol he would have been stoned. Jesus is also a High Priest and tells man that we are priests and Ambassadors on earth, which means Christians as Priests should also not drink alcohol.
Wrong, Luke 7:33-34 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, ‘He has a demon!’ The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Look at this glutton and drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and of sinners!’ Jesus can do what he wants.
You are referring to Leviticus 10:9... Mosaic law priests were free to consume alcohol when they were not serving the Temple (or in the tent of meeting). Please do no not proof-text the scriptures.
It is not drinking alcohol thats matter, its about drunkeness or excessive drinking of wine ... that is prohibited.. About wine with no alcohol, Noah get drunk in OT, in NT a christian get drunk while waiting for Paul before the fellowship get started.. What my view is that during the old days, wine has alcohol.. but i do not know if they are already producing non alcoholic wine.. Do we think if we drink a glass of wine during our meal we will commit sin.. Drunkeness or too much eating is prohibited...
Any religion that advocates drinking alcohol is a joke, (period) been there, done that and I don't need it anymore . This is one of main reasons I think Christianity moral code is redundant
Be sober is a command in the bible. The winebibber interpretation of various passages is to justify intoxicating themselves. Grape juice represents the blood of Jesus which washes away the sins of the world. Alcoholic wine represents the wrath of God which is poured out on the wicked.
Yes & then someone finds out “through the vine” that you drink alcohol at home in secret & then you are discharged from the church. Well, the Bible instructs us to do it in secret so….
Wine is not distilled like Pastor Glaze says. Whiskey, Brandy and other hard Liquor or Spirits are distilled, not wine. I so wish people would get their facts straight especially when dealing with biblical matters. If you knew anything about chemistry or rather the chemical process you would know that biblical wine is real wine and not grape juice like some Christians like to say when they when addressing the subject. They use grape juice as an excuse for wine in the bible. Wine is wine.
Why do they mock when the question is brought? "Well the Bible says Jesus made "wine." Duh, we all know wine has alcohol in it. It is very clear in the Bible and when you study history that "wine" was a generic term meaning fermented or unfermented.
Gods word not mine. When you are pointing your finger at some one else, you are pointing three back at yourself. We are all sinners. Romans 3:23. Romans 3:9-10. There is none righteous, no not one. Something about taking the log out of our own eye before we try to take the splinter out of our brothers eye. I have smoked tobacco moderately since I was 18. Of course, I am only 80 now. So I will probable eventually die. Romans 6:23.
Not sure why he said grape juice don't make the heart glad. ALL of Gods fruits would make the heart glad. I have often wondered what it would be like in heaven and my scenario is that exactly that, that everything is absolutely amazing and beautiful. This would include a piece of fruit. You would not need it to survive but because God loves you so much, God constantly tries to please you and you love God so much that you are in constant amazement of everything God does. So yes if you had a grape "juice" it would be the most incredible amazing juice you have ever tasted. And not only that, you would feel as if you were tasting it for the first time everytime you tasted it. If you saw a waterfall, it would feel like it was the very first time even if you saw it countless times. After all, what could you possibly give to God that created everything? Your love and adoration. You talk God creates. God loves you so much that God makes all the things pleasing to you. So is it possible for the misinterpretation of wine in the bible? Yes. In fact I think they may have purposely changed that over time to serve their own selfish wants as I am sure they have done about other things in the bible. I love you God. 🙏🕯️🌍💕
The following does not make sense: "The master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into GRAPE JUICE. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew. Then he called the bridegroom aside and said, “Everyone brings out the choice GRAPE JUICE first and then the cheaper GRAPE JUICE after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best GRAPE JUICE till now. LOL Jesus made real wine and it was not a drunken party but a wedding celebration that needed more wine and Jesus fulfilled this need. They needed more wine to last for a long time. Fresh wine has not had time to ferment but Jesus’ wine tasted great. Jesus created real wine without sinning. We are to use real wine at the Lord’s supper as the BIBLE says "wine makes the heart glad" to celebrate the resurrection. God creates for our enjoyment and necessity whether food or drink but we sin if we abuse these.
It’s appalling that we use grape juice to represent the strong, powerful, healing, medicinal, cleansing blood of Jesus. Big big difference & we wonder why there’s so much sickness & disease & legalism & pride in the church.
What are the qualifications of a bishop? No wine. What are the qualifications of a deacon? Not given to much wine which means he can have some. How about the elderly women of the church? same as a Deacon. What were Paul's instructions to Timothy? Take a little wine for your stomach's sake. Drunkenness is a sin but having some wine is not. You have to follow the Word of God, DO NOT make up your own rules. I would even agree it's best to not drink at all but that is not what the Bible says. Also, the Passover wine was normally if not always fermented (wine).
“Jesus took the cup & said this is my blood…” There is a huge difference drinking wine to represent the blood of Jesus. Wine is strong, powerful, healing, medicinal. Grape juice? Not so much…
If it was fermented wine, Jesus would be guilty of making someone drunk. "And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now." John 2:10 And how much wine was it? 180 gallons. One hundred and eighty. Wow. So if we suggest this was alcohol, then we have Christ guilty of making people drunk! Can He really be God then?
The Bible does not mention if the wine was fermented or not! It was a miracle! New wine refered to new season wine which had to be tithed, old wine was not tighted! Jesus did not drink grape juice or wine, He was dedicated as a Nazarite! Read the Bible!
Do not let people fool you, they have made new rituals and Laws based on tradition not Truth. Jesus drank wine just read for yourself but beyond that let Him teach you in the Spirit and trust NO MAN not even me. Luke 7:33-34 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, ‘He has a demon!’ The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Look at this glutton and drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and of sinners!’ Matthew 26:28-30 28 This is my blood of the[a] covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. 29 I tell you, I will not drink from this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.”
@@fishersofmen4727 Don't let alcohol fool you. Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise. Prov. 20:1 John the Baptist wasn't eating or drinking anything from the grape and they said he had a devil , so when Jesus drank and ate products of the grape (not alcoholic wine), they called Him a drunkard because they were false accusers, not because he drank alcoholic wine. You have to understand the Jewish culture of the time and the Nazarite vow. They knew that Proverbs condemned alcohol. (Look not on the wine when it is red (alcoholic))
This is not even a “hard question” ... Luke 7:34 clearly shows how Jesus drank wine because the Pharisees accused Him of being a drunkard! How could they call Him a drunkard if He was drinking no alcoholic grape juice. The verse before shows how the same Pharisees called John the Baptist a demon when he, conversely, didn’t drink wine. Why would the Pharisees attack John for not touching grape juice!? Nonsense
Don't let alcohol fool you. Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise. Prov. 20:1 John the Baptist wasn't eating or drinking anything from the grape and they said he had a devil , so when Jesus drank and ate products of the grape (not alcoholic wine), they called Him a drunkard because they were false accusers, not because he drank alcoholic wine. You have to understand the Jewish culture of the time and the Nazarite vow. They knew that Proverbs condemned alcohol. (Look not on the wine when it is red (alcoholic))
Jesus talked about new wine in new wineskins. Fermentation would cause the wineskin to explode. Jews drink wine. Jesus took the wine and blessed it. You aren't answering the question, "Did Jesus Drink REAL Wine or Grape Juice?"
The water-Wine was not grape juice or the vinegar wine of the vine. This water wine is supposed to be drank with the Holy concecrated bread cakes. These things are made Alchemicaly
It was wine because they asked why have you kept the best wine for last? People would serve the good wine then when everyone was gettin happy they serve the cheap wine. Jesus may not have drank it but it was still wine. The Bible says it is wine so is the Bible lying?
The good wine was the new wine (grape juice). Old wine becomes vinegary unless you take special precautions to turn into alcoholic wine. It's not as easy as you might think to make alcoholic wine. Look not on the wine when it is red (fermented alcohol) Prov. 23
Yes Christ taught us that drinking alcohol is good. To be a true Christian even requires it. Christ said in Luke 5:37-39 "And no man putteth new wine (grape juice) into old bottles (brittal leather animal skins) ; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish (from the stretching caused by the fermentation process) But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved. No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better." In parenthesis added to make sure you get what is being said. Any true Christian must drink wine, because it represents the blood of Christ. Christ said Joh 6:54 "Whoso eateth my flesh , and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day." Drinking wine represents the blood of Christ, not grape juice. We know Christ died on Passover and Passover is six months after grape harvest. Grape juice only take about 2 weeks to turn to wine. Therefore we know for certain that Christ was using the real fermented wine which he said once you taste you should not desire unfermented grape juice again! It is sad that most Protestants are against the teachings of Christ.
Are you saying they didn't know how to press grapes? Have you ever heard of a wine press? 7Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil. 8It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones. 9Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase: 10So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine. 11My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction: 12For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.
@@joemonroe9456 First of all Grapes naturally have yeast in it and of course sugar even if you didn’t want to make it to wine it was very easy for grapes to just ferment into wine, without the proper refrigeration it is impossible in biblical times to even try to keep juice because if you would store grape juice because of the heat and the sugar and yeast that grapes have it will just naturally turn into wine so my brother do your research because I’m not making this up Are you telling me God made wine with such good benefits to be used wisely in moderation for us not to consume it? “You cause the grass to grow for the livestock and plants for man to cultivate, that he may bring forth food from the earth and wine to gladden the heart of man, oil to make his face shine and bread to strengthen man’s heart.” Psalm 104:14-15 Also one more thing why does wine have such good health benefits? Just to list off a couple of health benefits 1. Wine is rich in antioxidants 2. Lowers bad cholesterol 3. Keeps hearts healthy 5. Reduces the risk of cancer
The first 1800 years or so of the church did not share a concern about wine in moderation. Teetotalism is an absurd position for the Christian. The fruit of the spirit is "Self Control" not abstinence.
@@joemonroe9456 I feel sorry for you, a pharisee bound up in legalism, having to pervert scripture to fit your own imprisoned self. Dude, enjoy the First Miracle.....and be man enough to admit what it was and what happened. And quit being an idiot taking bits and pieces of scripture here and there to try and make doctrine out of. You show yourself a fool.
I will offer a syllogism:
Grapes ripen in the Northern Hemisphere in late summer/ early fall.
Israel is in the Northern Hemisphere.
Grape juice without a preservative will become wine in less than 14 days.
Winemakers of the biblical era had no preservatives to keep grape juice from fermenting.
The Last Supper was in April.
Therefore: Jesus the Christ, the True Vine, was indeed a wine drinker- alcohol was what kept the beverage stable enough to prevent spoilage.
Exactly.
Nice try, but obviously Jesus synthesized special non alcoholic wine from water as He did in John 2 ;)
Unfortunately, many Christians' objection to all alcohol consumption is not based in scripture or logic. While this may convince some people, I fear that many will find a way to excuse it away - because since scripture doesn't explicitly state that the wine contained ethanol, who's to say that isn't what happened? And since we can't say definitively that this isn't what happened, then why not say definitively that it is what happened, because all events in scripture must be interpreted through the higher assumption that my conviction - all consumption of alcohol is wrong - is true, rather than forming my convictions based off of a straightforward interpretation of scripture?
This is why the concept of Christian liberty is so important; but of course, even that has its complications. Some people view the drinking of alcohol as, in principle, the same as eating food sacrificed to idols, and so the concept of Christian liberty applies. But some view it as being as cut and dried as something like cold blooded murder or adultery, so they aren't willing to extend the principles of Christian liberty to those who practice it. All we can do is try our best to follow scripture as we understand it, and help others to do the same, and ask for forgiveness when we get it wrong; bearing with those whose weak faith causes them to condemn others for doing things which God has not condemned; knowing that, despite our best efforts, we might have some deeply held convictions of our own that are not completely based in scripture. Love covers a multitude of sins.
Personally, I don't drink alcohol. I've had problems with it in the past, and as a young person in America, I feel it sends a bad message; since so few of my peers drink responsibly, it could give the impression that I am down with drunkenness. I would recommend that those who do not currently drink, refrain from taking it up; this seems wise to me. When my Christian friends drink, it makes me very uncomfortable; because of my past experiences, and my own preferences for consuming alcohol, it is hard to separate in my mind responsible consumption from unbridled drunkenness and partying.
But I have Christian friends who drink. Some of them do so irresponsibly - which further strengthens my knee-jerk reaction that alcohol should be avoided at all costs, that the idea that someone can exercise self control and drink in moderation is a myth, that nothing good can come from it. But some of them do it responsibly; I know from personal experience that some people genuinely have no desire to get drunk, even though they enjoy a drink on occasion. I have known some for many years who have, in the entire time that I've known them, been "drinkers", but never drunkards. To the pure all things are pure. For some it has even been a means of maintaining a relationship with the lost; getting a beer with an old friend every now allows them to stay in contact. Staying in contact increases the opportunity to witness; to show how God is working in their life. And of course, the most reasonable reading of scripture is that alcohol abuse, not alcohol itself, is sinful, and that Jesus, His disciples, and many Christians over the years drank wine with alcohol. Of course, at the time the Scriptures were written, there was no word for ethanol, or understanding that this was the chemical which caused intoxication; meaning, if one really wishes to, they can perform all kinds of mental gymnastics and make all kinds of assumptions that aren't explicitly stated in scripture, to come to the conclusion that Jesus never consumed alcohol; but it's hardly the most reasonable reading of scripture.
And that is what I wish for the people on here that are convinced that all consumption of alcohol is wrong. Stop declaring unclean what God has declared clean. This truly is an issue of food sacrificed to idols; and it is good and righteous to abstain from something that will cause you to struggle - but not good and righteous to then declare that same thing off limits for those who don't share your conviction, and to judge those who practice it. At the same time, those who do practice drinking should be gracious of those whom it causes to struggle; all things are permissible, but not all things are beneficial. Cracking open a cold one with the boys isn't a problem if your conscience doesn't convict you; but if one of those boys is very uncomfortable with alcohol, and has communicated that fact to you, maybe save it for another time.
@@Anonymous-so1ho I appreciated reading your reply; quite refreshing. I have my own vineyard, and have hundreds of gallons of wine at my disposal. Rather than choosing to imbibe until I vomit, I sip one serving a day and thank the Lord for such a wonderful, stable beverage. Should I say something offensive, or act out in an ungodly manner that is consequent to my sin and my unclean nature-- not the beverage. Thanks again for the exchange.
But you don't understand. HE PERFORMED A MIRACLE. He can turn water into FRESH RIPENED GRAPE JUICE no matter what time of year because he is God. Now that is amazing. That is something to celebrate. It also tasted far better.
The grape harvest goes through July. With no refrigeration in biblical times and the last supper being in April I can assure you that the wine was fermented.
But Jesus performed a miracle. A fresh harvest was a great thing and to have fresh grape juice was something to celebrate. Jesus could have changed the water into the "fresh grape harvest" juice because why wouldn't he?
@@emilykovacs029 that’s the point I try to argue with people you’re right just because other people may want a certain way does it mean Jesus did the same thing as them he performed a miracle Jesus doesn’t have to use the same technology as a normal man
@@emilykovacs029 because the Bible doesn’t say he did. It says he turned it into wine. And please don’t get confused with the words. Wine is wine and grape juice is grape juice and they are not interchangeable.
@@emilykovacs029look at the year grape juice was invented, then read your comment again.
The greek word they used for wine back then also means grape juice.. so Jesus could have made water into grape juice. I think Jesus won't want his people to get drunk from the wine he made.
They all said "I think" instead of saying the Bible says. So I think I can smoke a little bit of weed shouldn't be a problem then right? Long as I don't get high
Lol
Lots of lost people do not smoke weed, and lots of believers John 3:18 do. Whether you smoke weed or not has nothing to do with whether you have believed John 3:16-18. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, and we all sin, (First John 1-8) and we all die, but the GIFT of God is eternal life, through Jesus Christ our Lord
Nah just smoke a little cannabis to help with that illness lol
Romans six:23 The gift of God is eternal life. Not a reward for good behavior. Romans 4:5-8. First John 1:8 If we say we have not sin, we deceive our selves and the truth is not in us. Romans 3:23 and Romans 3:9-10.. But we have His perfect righteousness apart from works. Romans 4:six. Ephesians 2:8-9 Ephesians 1:13-14. Our guarantee of eternal life by faith alone in Jesus finished work on the cross alone.
I agree wholeheartedly, I am a born again Christian/ AND I AM STRUGGLING BADLY!!! ANY ALCOHOL IS A POISONOUS SUBSTANCE TO OUR BODY!!!!! The bible tells us that: our bodies are the temple of GOD!!!! I DO NOT CONDONE JESUS turning water into wine/ the bible says: that at the wedding the people were well drunk / then JESUS turns water into more wine!!!!! JESUS was a perfect human/ well I’m sorry BUT/ a perfect human would NOT condone the drinking of ANYTHING that would be poisonous to our bodies. Oh so then it must be ok to have a few cigarettes or cigars in moderation also!!!!!! There’s quite a few things I have issues with that are in the bible/ especially in the Old Testament. AND I AM A TRUE BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN!!!!! So you can imagine my pain and outrage over this!>>!!!! Some say/ oh well the alcoholic content wouldn’t of been the same back then. Aaah well/ read how Noah and others in the bible became drunk also!!!!! How can JESUS condone booze is beyond anything rational!!!!!! If there’s going to be wine at the marriage supper of the lamb/ then even as a born again Christian/ I will NOT be attending. I will not under any circumstances drink / nor sit with anyone that’s putting poison into their bodies. I’m very firm on this too.
Having a degree in Viticulture and Enology, I love hearing people make ridiculous explanations about how grape juice was preserved year round 2000 years ago.
Learn a little history then.
@@joemonroe9456 Please explain the process they used.
@@JohnnyYuma405 The ancients practiced the following ways of preserving grape juice.
They would filter the juice through strainers and remove the protein (albumen); this would leave no yeast for fermentation.
Putting fresh juice in jars and sealing it with pitch, placing the jars in cool pools of water, and keeping the temperature at a certain degree so the yeast would not multiply.
Placing fresh juice in jars and burning sulfur dioxide over the jars.
Dried raisins, (boiled for juice).
Boiling fresh juice down into a syrup called dibs; later they would dilute it with water and drink it as a beverage.
@@joemonroe9456 Everything you said is just bullshit, grasping at various ways to explain it away. It might work with know-nothings but not with me, someone who has a degree in the chemistry of fermenting wine. What kinds of strainers are you going to use to strain out the yeast? Cloth?
@@JohnnyYuma405 It can also be boiled. I believe the straining was also to remove the chunks of grape which had the yeast attached. Kinda like a mask which removes droplets which have smaller viruses attached. In any case, boiling will kill the yeast, and incidentally will also cause alcohol to evaporate.
a Christian would not say alcohol is a reason to make your heart glad. it's a prophecy about Jesus and the new covenant.
You may be right but this still does not change the fact that even Jesus Himself drank wine. Luke 7:33-34 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, ‘He has a demon!’ The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Look at this glutton and drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and of sinners!’
Tom Fisher in dictionary 55yrs ago wine was defined as fermented AND NON fermented. why would they take that out of the dictionary now? JESUS was SINLESS. he hung around drunkards and the lije to CHANGE Them NOT to keep thetm in their sin.
I have searched the Internet for anyone who can see and hear the Lord and your sentence is truth ! It is Jesus' greatest prophecy and he reveals his true purpose in this prophecy !
Which wine? Because it says don't drink the wine when it is red (alcoholic), and the new wine comes from the presses. Alcohol is the wine of Sodom (Deut. 32) as opposed to the pure blood of the grape which represents the blood of Jesus. @@fishersofmen4727
@@hupernikomen2015 I agree He was Sinless but what does that have to do with drinking wine? Is drinking a glass of wine with a meal sin? NO, its not!!! If you think drinking at all is evil you missed the verse that says. “Listen and understand, It’s not what goes into the mouth that defiles a man, but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”
9 And when the headwaiter tasted the water that had become wine, without knowing where it came from (although the servers who had drawn the water knew), the headwaiter called the bridegroom
10 and said to him, "Everyone serves good wine first, and then when people have drunk freely, an inferior one; but you have kept the good wine until now."
If you know here where it says, most people serve the good wine first, and then after people have drunk freely, the inferior wine.... anyone who has had a little bit too much wine and gotten a little bit tipsy or drunk can tell you that the reason this was done was because after you have become a little bit tipsy and drunk you can no longer tell the difference between the good wine and the bad wine so it is safe to say the wine was extremely alcoholic..... it is most likely the same wine that Noah drunk in the Old Testament after the flood had subsided and his son's found him so drunk that he was passed out in a cave..... look that one up: Noah, a man of the soil, proceeded a to plant a vineyard. 21When he drank some of its wine, he became drunk and lay uncovered inside his tent....
Genis 9. 18-26 approximately.
And we can safely stay that Middle Eastern wine is very strong and it is still made in a very similar old fashioned way.... and this would be the same wine Jesus used at The Last Supper when he said to his disciples take this all of you and drink of it, for is the Chalice of my Blood, shed for you and for the many, and for the remission of sins..... the new Covenant sealed in my Blood.....
Now, I am not advocating for getting drunk or drunken behaviour, but this is just to point out that the wine was not just grape juice, but alcoholic and alcoholic enough to get one drunk.....
The best wine is the freshest, not fermented. Do you know how drunk you have to be to not know what something tastes like? When Christ calls us to be sober, it is not just in the spiritual sense. Anyone who is given to alcohol knows, your inhibitions, judgement, and senses go out the window. Whenever Jesus speaks of wine concerning His blood, it is 'new' wine.
@dark-sayings You actually don't need to be that drunk at all, for your taste to be inhibited. This can start happening after the first few glasses, and I've been there and done that myself, particularly in my clubbing days before I gave up a life of sin.
When Jesus refers to new wine 🍷 He is not speaking about physical new wine, but rather talking about His (the) New Covenant He is bringing about by His [New] Sacrifice, Death and Resurrection is bringing about. He is the New Lamb of God, as He is referred to by John the Baptist in scripture(as opposed to the old lamb sacrificed in Egypt that freed the Hebrews from Pharaoh and slavery). He frees us from Slavery to sin, death, and Satan. The New Covenant also refers to His New Law of Love that He brings about by His Passion, Death and Resurrection as opposed to the Old Covenant, the old Jewish Laws and Sacrificial animal practices which were a mere typology and preparation for His New Passover Sacrifice which He brought about in the Upper Room which transformed the old Passover/Covenant into the New (which made Present His Sacrifice, Death and Resurrection He would undergo on Good Friday and Easter Sunday, (including a New Priesthood being the Apostles and their descendants, not by a bloodline like the Levites, but by the guidance of the Holy Spirit as in Acts 1. 23-27 (where Matthias was given to take over the office of Judas Iscariot who died by his own hand due to despairing rather than turning to God's Mercy), which would have also involved the laying on of hands, not specifically mentioned here , but in other parts of the Acts).
So it has nothing to do with physical new wine. But the New Covenant and New Law that He was bringing about.
Also as someone who worked with, for a brief times in my teens, a Serbian family Who used to make wine the old-fashioned way by crushing grapes under your feet, the longer you let the wine ferment in barrels kept in a dark cool place, the better it tasted. If you got impatient and went to try and have some of this wine to early, it tasted horrible. That's why even to this day, the older the wine, and the longer it has been allowed to mature, the more expensive it is, and the smoother and the better the flavor..... Wine gets better with age! Hopefully, like you and me 🤣 😂
God bless you my friend 😇 🙏
Jesus said he came to them drinking and eating and they called him a drunk and a glutton.
He also said that what goes into the body is not what defiles the body it's what comes out that comes from the heart. He said what you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it to God.
It's different to drink a little than to be a drunkard.
Why would he even mention that it was ok to drink wine if he was talking about grape juice?
@Jesus Saves absolutely right! That’s the verse that I tell people who think Jesus made alcoholic wine at the wedding. Jesus would be breaking the law if he did. Once you read the entire bible on the subject and the Lord gives you wisdom and opens your eyes, you’ll find out that alcohol is the DECIEVER. Is it’s the venom of vipers and dragons Deut 32:33. And who is the decider and the dragon refer to in the Bible? Yep the devil who deceiveth the whole world rev 12:9. The whole world is under it. Even Solomon in all his wisdom told us , that it’s not wise if you get deceive by alcohol proverbs 20:1 It’s not for kings to drink wine or strong drink Prov 31:4. But are we Kings? Lol yeap Rev 1:6 Now, for all of people saying that is ok to drink a little (moderation) well I got news too from the Apostle Paul. He says there is no such a thing as moderation when you drink alcohol Ephesians 5:18. There is always excess. In conclusion the Bible clearly speaks about alcohol.. it actually screams out loud when you read it.. it screams DONT DRINK IT , DONT DRINK IT , DONT DRINK IT!. Stay sober and vigilant brothers and sisters!
@@augustinevn7408 Isaiah 25:6
And in this mountain
The Lord of hosts will make for all people
A feast of [a]choice pieces,
A feast of [b]wines on the lees,
Of fat things full of marrow,
Of well-refined wines on the lees.
@@augustinevn7408 ECC 9:7
Go, eat your bread with joy, and drink your wine with a merry heart, for God has already approved what you do.
@@augustinevn7408 Psalm 104:14-15
You cause the grass to grow for the livestock and plants for man to cultivate, that he may bring forth food from the earth and wine to gladden the heart of man, oil to make his face shine and bread to strengthen man's heart.
@@augustinevn7408 Luke 5:39
And no one after drinking old wine desires new, for he says, ‘The old is good.’”
It’s funny as they said, “they drank wine at church and they didn’t get drunk”. Where’s the limit that you call “drunk”? Many drunk people can act very normal that others wouldn’t notice. There’s no such thing as drinking alcohol and not being affected by it.
No. My extended family drinks. Most of them can have a small amount of alcohol without effect. Alcohol is processed in the liver. Intoxication occurs when the amount or speed overwhelms the liver.
There is no such thing as drinking coffee and not being effected by it.
There is no such thing as drinking water and not being effected by it.
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Your explanation on consuming wine to say It's ok to indulge, but don't abuse it. However, if drinking causes or influences one to sin. Isn't that like saying, "you can sin a little just as long as you don't overdo it"?. That seems to cloud the idea that one without sin, would slightly influence it. Please answer, because I'm still struggling to find a better answer. Unless, the word "wine" was translated wrong.
wine - was unfermented, see Isaiah 65.8 it says the wine is in the cluster of grapes hanging on the vine...so it is unfermented..plus luke 1.15 says John the Baptist as the forerunner of Christ was forbidden to touch any type of alcohol...proverbs 20. 1 says wine is a mocker, I read 3 books on wine and they all agree the wine JEsus made and drank was unfermented
I love it when Gods angels are at work. Thank you for answering my question. You made my day. God bless you.
This is WHY people NEED a good "concordance" and a lot of "cross-referencing of scriptures, for issues like these...
It is OK if you don't feel comfortable drinking a small-moderate amount of alcohol once in a while, but it is sinful to impose your own conscience onto another as "doctrine". Independant Fundamental Baptists, not ALL but many, seem to adhere to this false doctrine of "any amount of alcohol is a sin".
Wine CAN indeed refer to either unfermented or fermented grape juice. It is language and CONTEXT which dictates the truth on each mention.
The wine that Jesus made was most CERTAINLY alcoholic, here is why...
Look at the language structure and the uses in context of the word "wine"_"oinos"(G3631) and the word "drunk"_"methyo`". Look at their Greek definitions, uses in scripture as well as the context in which they are used.
First. let's look at the passage "John 2:10", the wedding miracle at Cana...
Let's state the context for the partial scripture of John 2:10 before taking a look at this study. Jesus had just commanded His disciples to fill the water pots with water and draw out the water, which Jesus turned to wine, and bring it to the master of the feast...
"And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good *WINE* ; and when men have *WELL DRUNK* , then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good *WINE* until now."
John 2:10
Let's focus first on the word "wine" which comes from the Greek word "oinos"(G3631).
Oinos[G3631]-- primary word (wine) , from Hebrew origin "yayin" H3196-- to effervesce by quality of fermentation. Alcohol, wine, winebibber.
To further understand this word, let us look at the uses of this word in scripture. We will look at three passages.
"And be not drunk with *WINE* , wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit..."
Ephesians 5:18
Same word, oinos(G3631) used in a command by Paul to NOT be intoxicated with wine.
"And no man putteth new *WINE* into old bottles: else the new *WINE* doth burst the bottles, and the *WINE* is spilled, and the bottles will be marred: but new *WINE* must be put into new bottles."
Mark 2:22
Same word "oinos" used in a parable about the new covenant using the symbology of wine's fermenting qualities. This is illustrated by the fact that "the bottles BURST" from the alcoholic fermentation qualities...
"For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither *WINE* nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb."
Luke 1:15
Same word "oinos" used here as a command for John the baptist's lifestyle of abstaining from intoxicating beverages as a prophet to prepare the Messiah's path before Him...
Next, we will look at the word "drunk" in John 2:10.
Drunk G3184: methyo: to drink to intoxication, get drunk. To make or be made drunken.
see 1 Corinthians 5:11(methysos)
" But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a *DRUNKARD* , or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat."
1 Corinthians 5:11
Drunkard: "Methysos" G3183(from root word [methyo] "G3184") : Tipsy, a sot. Drunkard/alcoholic.(see John 2:10)
Before some joker tries to pull the "you're just trying to justify your sinful carnal desires!!" card, THINK AGAIN! I haven't had a DROP of ethanol in ANY form for over 11 years. Not because I CAN'T, but because I choose not to so as not to make weaker brothers stumble. Some people are weak in the faith and do not fully understand the truth of this matter. They feel "offended" regarding the blessing of alcohol/wine and their conscience is weak in this matter. On THEIR behalf, not mine, I choose to abstain so to walk in love. If I ever DO choose I would like a glass of wine, I shall ONLY do so PRIVATELY in my own home and away from the presence of a weaker brother's conscience...
"Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another. For meat destroy not the work of God. *All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence* . It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing *whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak* . *Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth* . And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for *whatsoever is not of faith is sin* ."
Romans 14:19-23
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Very good. This video was terrible and you did a great job laying out the word in an unbiased way. Like you we choose not to, not because we think it’s wrong to occasionally have wine but we want to be set apart this for the Lord. That’s it. It’s an outward profession of our changed lives in the Lord. Again, great job.
Yes you're right ligtd. The bible says each man must make up his own mind whether he wants to drink wine or not. Although we are never to cause a brother to stumble. Let no man judge you in what you eat or drink.
I agree with you 100% . We have to agree that culturally it was ok to drink fermented wine. It was not considered a sin. Jesus did not die yet.
Don't let alcohol fool you. Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise. Prov. 20:1
John the Baptist wasn't eating or drinking anything from the grape and they said he had a devil , so when Jesus drank and ate products of the grape (not alcoholic wine), they called Him a drunkard because they were false accusers, not because he drank alcoholic wine. You have to understand the Jewish culture of the time and the Nazarite vow. They knew that Proverbs condemned alcohol. (Look not on the wine when it is red (alcoholic))
I'm far from an expert but it doesn't take a rocket scientist or theologian to figure it out. It was the year 33 AD or so. The making of grape juice or wine was pretty simple you squeezed the juice out of grape in a wine press or by stomping on them. The new juice was grape juice. Grape juice can naturally ferment and develop alcohol. Now here's the clincher. Grape season was from June - September. The Last Supper was in April. That 6 months of the grape juice sitting there without preservatives. What do think the alcohol content in the
Grape juice was at the Last Supper? Did Jesus drink it? IDK. Now when was the Wedding in Cana?
wine as in isaiah 65.8 is grape juice, christ used unfermented wine..also luke 1.15 john bpatist forbiden to use it
Wait caffeine one of the most addictive substance along with sugar...? Yes sugar kills!!
Sugar gave me cancer
@@raymondcote2414 are you serious?
@@askingwhyisfree7436 processed sugar linked to dementia
😂😂😂 exactly.. plus he said he gets that coffee EVERY MORNING!!!
Colossians 2:sixteen. Let no man, there fore, judge you in food, OR IN DRINK, or of a feast day, or of a new moon, or of a Sabbath day. The Pharisees accused Jesus of eating and drinking with sinners. Who else was he going to eat and drink with? First John 1:8 Romans 3:23. Romans 3:9-10.
Me personally I believe alcohol becomes a sin if you make it an idol, or hurt your body with it
If an engine on a plane is about to explode and cause great ruin it is entirely appropriate to shut it down.
If one part of the garden of God, the olive tree, the fig tree and the vineyard goes bad we cut it down and burn it.
Why do Baptist families who ban wine have more of a problem with alcoholism than Jews who do not?
Back to the plane with the shut-down engine of celebration. Is there hope the engine can be replaced and the plane can be repaired and fly on all engines again?
Is there hope that the ruined vineyard can flourish again as God ordained it in the garden of God?
What was the first miracle Jesus did? And why did he do this?
Is celebration, the wine, singing, the dance, bad in itself? Does the devil own celebration? Or are we are just sour grapes?
What was the value and the divine purpose of the vineyard and the wine of communion according to Holy Scripture? What is the value of the vineyard and the wine according to Jotham’s riddle in Judges 9:13?
explain this verse Please KJV
And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,Deuteronomy 14:26
Drink not the wine when it is red .
Strong drink was for the drink offering which was poured out. It represents the wrath of God. The pure blood of the grape represents the blood of Jesus.
And the drink offering thereof shall be the fourth part of an hin for the one lamb: in the holy place shalt thou cause the strong wine to be poured unto the LORD for a drink offering.
@The Man With No Name Your ignorance of history and the Bible is astounding. Try reading the Bible instead of spouting the same tired lies of drunkards. Your brain is addled from alcohol intoxication. You think that giving someone that is dying alcohol is a license for everyone to poison themselves. Drink not the wine when it is red (fermented). That verse alone demolishes your satanic interpretation of the holy scriptures.
@The Man With No Name The drink offering was poured out and represents the wrath of God. Who is telling you lies, because you have clearly not read much of the Bible.
@@joemonroe9456 dude you are a fool, historically Jews drank wine even in the Passover you have to drink wine not grape juice don’t read the Bible in 21 century lenses and another historical fact grape juice wasn’t even invented till 1869
The question is .Is it better to drink or not to drink preaching the Gospal with a beer in your hand.Is it ok the shot some heroin once a year in Amsterdam with my family at Xmas ,we do it every year but only once it's a family thing yeah right.
+Jose Smilez what are you saying Slang: Extremely Disparaging and Offensive. a contemptuous term used to refer to a black person. Is this what you mean.?
using heroin is dangerous .........if you get hooked then it's sin
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Bad analogy.
Wine or alcohol is not heroine.
@@jif8802 It's poison just like alcohol. Very good analogy. Not good to intoxicate(poison) yourself.
From Deuteronomy 32
2For their vine is of the vine of Sodom, and of the fields of Gomorrah: their grapes are grapes of gall, their clusters are bitter:
33Their wine is the poison of dragons, and the cruel venom of asps.
34Is not this laid up in store with me, and sealed up among my treasures?
Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils. 1 Cor. 10:21
Me as an Alcoholic should not drink wine of any sort I don’t believe Jesus drank the same type of fermented wine we drink today. It had some type of fermentation but not like we drank today as wine.
Pointless, we all know that we are the temple of God, we all know what is good or bad for us, alcohol or no alcohol we all should served God. The enemy wants us to fight for anything, a divided kingdom is easy to destroy.
To me you have hit the main target....division. On this issue, and many others, the legalists, the pharisaical, are dividing the Kingdom over this issue. Let's be clear, the division on this topic is coming from one side of this debate (mostly). To me, that's the main point. Scripture is clear. The wine in the Bible - oft referred to positively - is alcoholic just as the the wine warned against is. It's a heart issue. A personal issue. There is not a "thus sayeth" edict for all that I can see.
I don’t drink around people. I drink at home only in moderation. No reason to offend people or even get into a debate about this, but I definitely will not be taking biblical advice from someone who thinks the Bible is instructing us to not be given to much grape juice.
Noah got drunk with wine, Lot got drunk with wine. Of course wine is fermented. The Bible specifies: drunkards, not to drinking wine will condemned you. Big difference. If it makes you not to control it, then is not for you.
The son of man came eating and drinking. Did Jesus lie or did he come eating and drinking?
Can Christians drink non alcoholic beers, ciders and wines?
Jesus was without sin. He did not drink fermented alcohol in any form because that would be sin. The Bible says in Proverbs don't even look upon the wine when it is red in the glass. There is a difference between juice and fermented wine. The Bible speaks many times against drunkenness. Jesus would not have created a fermented form of alcohol causing people to sin drinking it. It is not the character of God to tempt anyone to sin.
Awesome thank you, tired of hearing all this nonsense people say
@Jesus Saves you obviously didnt read my answer. You are preaching to the choir
For communion we should use wine because that is what it says. As For the argument about using wine it might make one relapse let us not forget being a Christian has a lot to do with self control and our father does not lead us into temptation but deliver us from evil. Having real fermented wine at communion, as the Scriptures show us by necessary inference and authoritative example, does not mean we are getting drunk on it or that it should even lead us into temptation. Our focus is unifying the body and getting our minds centered on the Lord and His will for us
A woman pastor calling another pastor Mc dreamy is a good reason why women can't be pastors. Innapropriate. She's married also
That pastor she was referring to was her husband. She can do that.
@@meemersteemer1107
She shouldn't even be a pastor to begin with...
God doesn’t want women to be pastors
The issue of alcohol has never been addressed properly. This has made many people to drink it in hiding which is wrong. There are various doctrines around wine. The Bible says that all things are permissible but not beneficial. I would have no problem drinking wine. I have in the past without getting drunk. That's me.
We are commanded to be sober (unintoxicated).
Great table Of learned believer and answers to a question that has been asked for years
Luke 7:34 ' The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!'
Wine was an integral part of Jewish culture. Jesus did drink wine. All the Biblical Patriarchs did drink wine.
The Bible does not condemn drinking of wine itself. But it does condemn drunkenness.
There is a difference.
They called Jesus a drunkard. How can you Even accept this accusation?
@@maggyhamada2560 A drunkard drinks too much and a glutton eats too much.
To say “Jesus can’t drink wine cuz he wouldn’t do anything that could lead to sin” basically accusing Jesus of having no self control. Just wow…
The 'wine' that Jesus presented at the wedding was 'new wine' - fresh from the grape - which is why they were so surprised when it was out of season.
@7:43 She’s still asking “What’s The Answer?” 🤔! Keep Your Testimony’s! It’s not just the people watching You! It’s THE HOLY GHOST! Amén 🙏🏼🔥
I never read where Jesus dranked wine. He turned water to wine, but it never said he dranked it. The Bible also say touch not taste not handle not which is harmful to your flesh. But you can get the fruit from the vine and let it set, it will turn to wine. But you guys never answered the question yet
There are scriptures that indicate He did indeed drink wine...two instances I know of....the key word being indicate. What we do know is that the water He turned into wine was given to guests who in many cases were already somewhat intoxicated. I think that's a red flag to anyone preaching 100% abstinence for all here. I think God has this here for the shock value, but that's just my take. As for harming the flesh, it's pretty clear now that wine, and even other adult beverages, taken in moderation and with a meal, is GOOD for your flesh. Same for dark chocolate and coffee too!
As far as I know they accused Jesus of drinking wine but I haven’t heard anywhere that says he drank it. And I’m 100% sure he never was drunk .
Luke 7:33-35
Amen! Because I don’t understand why would an angel come to tell John the Baptist’s parents in Luke chapter 1 verses 13 to 15 for him not to drink any kind of alcohol, but that not stand for our God our Lord Jesus Christ our savior!?
@@iluvfrenchfrymydog
John was a nazarite
Not Jesus
@@goyonman9655 I understand that that’s why I would think 💭 it would matter, if Jesus Christ what to drink because, He is more important
1 Corinthians 3:16 "Don’t you realize that all of you together are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God lives in you?
yes i belive in true jesus
who never drank alcohol
who never killed jews even he forgave a prostitute who was a sinner "those who have not sin in thier life can throw rock at this woman"-bible
who created fermented wine and drank it with many disciple and nobody got drunk
who said to me "there is room for everyone in my fathers house in heaven as ther is on earth"
i believ that jesus and apart from that i dont know any other jesus and i believe with full faith
king of kings
i bow down to you
Do not let people fool you, they have made new rituals and Laws based on tradition not Truth. Jesus drank wine just read for yourself but beyond that let Him teach you in the Spirit and trust NO MAN not even me.
Luke 7:33-34 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, ‘He has a demon!’ The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Look at this glutton and drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and of sinners!’
Matthew 26:28-30
28 This is my blood of the[a] covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. 29 I tell you, I will not drink from this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.”
@@fishersofmen4727 Don't let alcohol fool you. Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise. Prov. 20:1
John the Baptist wasn't eating or drinking anything from the grape and they said he had a devil , so when Jesus drank and ate products of the grape (not alcoholic wine), they called Him a drunkard because they were false accusers, not because he drank alcoholic wine. You have to understand the Jewish culture of the time and the Nazarite vow. They knew that Proverbs condemned alcohol. (Look not on the wine when it is red (alcoholic))
@@joemonroe9456 Well I know in many Messianic Churches and Jewish synagogues they give out wine so its not a Jewish custom to hate wine, its actually an Arab custom. You might be right about Jesus never drinking alcohol, but we know Jesus made alcoholic wine at the wedding party. Why would the man say that they bring out the worst wine last if it was just grape juice? Look Jesus said its not what goes into a man that defiles him but what comes out, wine is not the problem but the heart of man is the problem. The Bible also says this about wine, so we know drinking is not the problem in itself. Proverbs 31:6 ESV
Give strong drink to the one who is perishing, and wine to those in bitter distress.
@@fishersofmen4727 the wine Jesus made at the wedding was not alcoholic. That would make Jesus a law breaker (sinner) if he actually did according to Habakkuk 2:15. And don’t take the accusations that Jesus was a winebibber true. It was a false accusation. They accused Jesus of being a blasphemer, a sinner, a liar, one who had a devil, and mad man, etc etc.. was Jesus any of that? So how can he be a winebibber also? Lol if you take the accusation of him being a winebibber, then are all the other accusations true? . But they are not true. Read the Bible entirely and you’ll find out that alcohol is the DECEIVER. the venom and poison of vipers and dragons. The whole world is under it and getting deceived by it. Stay sober stay vigilant. Don’t be deceived!
@@augustinevn7408 Habakkuk is not even apart of the Books of the Law/Torah, you are creating more laws that are not even real laws by taking the Bible out of context. Also Habakkuk is talking about those who use Alcohol to get others naked and look at them, perverts. Proverbs 31:6 says "Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts" So is the Bible contradicting itself or are you just wrong, I think its you not the Bible.
Listen, whatever cult like works based Church you are in RUN, You have been warned, you will not be justified on Judgment day by your works. Jesus said it was not what goes into the body that defiles them but what comes out, remember that. Acts 10:15 The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”
Colossians 2:16 Let no man, therefore, judge you in food, OR IN DRINK, or in a feast day, or of a new moon, or of a Sabbath day. We are under grace not the law. Galatians 2:21. John 3:18.
You’re twisting that to suite your emotions
The word of God says be holy as I am holy if Jesus drink wine he would ceased to be a perfect holy sacrifice for our sins.the wine Jesus drank was unfermented just like we have today we have arms unlimited wine and we have alcoholic wine there's two different kinds the Bible also says to be sober-minded at all times that means you cannot take anything is mind-altering so just pain pills alcohol marijuana anything that is intoxicating that changes the way you think it is demonic
Oh shutup 😆
WINE WAS UNFERMENTED....read Isaiah 65.8 - the wine is in the cluster of grapes so these people are wrong ---plus - John the Baptist was forbidden to drink wine or strong drink...so if he could not - Christ could or would not....plus Christ said he would drink the fruit of the vine with his disciples in heaven, so do we expect alcohol in heaven....the bible is either for or against it, it is not up to the person...alcohol kills people from drunk drivers or domestic violence
It never occurred to me, before watching this, that I was up to a debate based on human perceptions, rather than the Word of God. For sure, by their fruits you shall know them.
this is dangerous and wrong, your main argument was from a culture perspective, and not a biblical one. This is a violation of Matthew 5:19. Proverbs 20:1 says wine is a Mocker (sin), it is not stated if it is abused. There is more than one meaning for wine. When you profess Christianity where untold people will be influenced by what you say. There is much on this topic that needs to be explained.
Do not let people fool you, they have made new rituals and Laws based on tradition not Truth. Jesus drank wine just read for yourself but beyond that let Him teach you in the Spirit and trust NO MAN not even me.
Luke 7:33-34 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, ‘He has a demon!’ The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Look at this glutton and drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and of sinners!’
Matthew 26:28-30
28 This is my blood of the[a] covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. 29 I tell you, I will not drink from this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.”
Do not drink as the drunkards do. Meaning dont drink to get drunk.
Science says wine is good for you
Mythology says wine is evil.
I trust science
@@r.b.rozier9692 A lot of science is fraudulent. Grape juice is good for you, alcohol is a solvent that dissolves your cells.
@@RoseSharon7777 Be sober (abstain) contradicts that interpretation.
If the wine had alcohol in it that Jesus made would be Leaven is a metaphor for sin, I don't believe it had alcohol
Stay sober!!!
A serving size of wine will not get you drunk. In fact experts (medical doctors) recommend 2 serving sizes for men, and 1 for women.
@@slkjess1206 good information 👍 but no one drinks just that. So I will stay away completely 😁
The grape was Jesus God said that is why the wine is the blood of christ 🍇🍇🍇🍷🍷🍷🩸🩸🩸✝️
1 Cor. 11:20, 11 implies that the fruit of the vine was fermented.
They never answered the question...smh..."DID JESUS DRINK WINE?"
Yasha Jackson No He did not. When the word wine is used in the Bible,it can relate to alcohol or grape juice. In Habakkuk 2:15 the Bible condemns any high priest who gives his neighbors drink to make him drunk. Jesus is The High Priest in Hebrews and is faithful. He would have given them strong drink,He would have violated Hab 2:15. The Bible always uses strong drink in a bad context,and in many passages condemns it. Some people just want to justify drinking so they can sleep better.
ρ в I didn't think he did....i hear ppl say JESUS DRANK wine..i would ask them to SHOW me where Jesus Drank wine but they never can🤔
5;16 he did
He drank "the fruit of the vine" otherwise known as grape juice. Be sober.
Noah was the first know person to plant a vineyard and what happened,, he got drunk.... so I would say the fruit of the vine is fermented besides the symbolism behind the process of fermentation is very interesting.
Mosaic laws priests did not drink alcohol. Jesus was a Jew and followed the Mosaic law. If he did drink alcohol he would have been stoned. Jesus is also a High Priest and tells man that we are priests and Ambassadors on earth, which means Christians as Priests should also not drink alcohol.
Wrong, Luke 7:33-34 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, ‘He has a demon!’ The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Look at this glutton and drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and of sinners!’ Jesus can do what he wants.
You are referring to Leviticus 10:9... Mosaic law priests were free to consume alcohol when they were not serving the Temple (or in the tent of meeting). Please do no not proof-text the scriptures.
It is not drinking alcohol thats matter, its about drunkeness or excessive drinking of wine ... that is prohibited.. About wine with no alcohol, Noah get drunk in OT, in NT a christian get drunk while waiting for Paul before the fellowship get started.. What my view is that during the old days, wine has alcohol.. but i do not know if they are already producing non alcoholic wine.. Do we think if we drink a glass of wine during our meal we will commit sin.. Drunkeness or too much eating is prohibited...
Any religion that advocates drinking alcohol is a joke, (period) been there, done that and I don't need it anymore . This is one of main reasons I think Christianity moral code is redundant
Be sober is a command in the bible. The winebibber interpretation of various passages is to justify intoxicating themselves. Grape juice represents the blood of Jesus which washes away the sins of the world. Alcoholic wine represents the wrath of God which is poured out on the wicked.
@@joemonroe9456 Is it wine or grape juice sipped by congregants in the Catholic church on Sundays that kids aren't allowed to even taste it?
Then Jesus is a joke because He told them to drink wine often in remembrance of Him. What do you think was in the cup at the Last Supper??
still no answer...
What's the question?
If it causes you to sin you should abstain. If it causes your brother to sin then don't have it around him. It says keep it between you and God.
Yes & then someone finds out “through the vine” that you drink alcohol at home in secret & then you are discharged from the church. Well, the Bible instructs us to do it in secret so….
These people haven't a CLUE!
Great one there.
Pharisees accused Jesus of being a drunkard. If I drink a grape juicebox every meal, nobody would accuse me of being a drunkard
Wine is not distilled like Pastor Glaze says. Whiskey,
Brandy and other hard Liquor or Spirits are distilled, not wine. I so wish
people would get their facts straight especially when dealing with biblical
matters. If you knew anything about chemistry
or rather the chemical process you would know that biblical wine is real wine
and not grape juice like some Christians like to say when they when addressing
the subject. They use grape juice as an
excuse for wine in the bible. Wine is wine.
People need to read Sipping Saints by David Wilkerson. He explains it all very well! 👍
The book is trash
Funny thing Jesus never drank wine, please show me a verse
Why do they mock when the question is brought? "Well the Bible says Jesus made "wine." Duh, we all know wine has alcohol in it. It is very clear in the Bible and when you study history that "wine" was a generic term meaning fermented or unfermented.
Funny how only Americans doubt that the word "wine" in the Bible actually means wine. I never heard these kind of discussions in Europe in any church.
This was the best wine they ever drank.
Deuteronomy 14:26 Go buy whatever your soul desires, sheep or oxen or for wine or strong drink. And throw a party.
Gods word not mine. When you are pointing your finger at some one else, you are pointing three back at yourself. We are all sinners. Romans 3:23. Romans 3:9-10. There is none righteous, no not one. Something about taking the log out of our own eye before we try to take the splinter out of our brothers eye.
I have smoked tobacco moderately since I was 18. Of course, I am only 80 now. So I will probable eventually die. Romans 6:23.
Not sure why he said grape juice don't make the heart glad. ALL of Gods fruits would make the heart glad. I have often wondered what it would be like in heaven and my scenario is that exactly that, that everything is absolutely amazing and beautiful. This would include a piece of fruit. You would not need it to survive but because God loves you so much, God constantly tries to please you and you love God so much that you are in constant amazement of everything God does. So yes if you had a grape "juice" it would be the most incredible amazing juice you have ever tasted. And not only that, you would feel as if you were tasting it for the first time everytime you tasted it. If you saw a waterfall, it would feel like it was the very first time even if you saw it countless times. After all, what could you possibly give to God that created everything? Your love and adoration. You talk God creates. God loves you so much that God makes all the things pleasing to you. So is it possible for the misinterpretation of wine in the bible? Yes. In fact I think they may have purposely changed that over time to serve their own selfish wants as I am sure they have done about other things in the bible.
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The following does not make sense:
"The master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into GRAPE JUICE. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew. Then he called the bridegroom aside and said, “Everyone brings out the choice GRAPE JUICE first and then the cheaper GRAPE JUICE after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best GRAPE JUICE till now. LOL
Jesus made real wine and it was not a drunken party but a wedding celebration that needed more wine and Jesus fulfilled this need.
They needed more wine to last for a long time.
Fresh wine has not had time to ferment but Jesus’ wine tasted great.
Jesus created real wine without sinning.
We are to use real wine at the Lord’s supper as the BIBLE says "wine makes the heart glad" to celebrate the resurrection.
God creates for our enjoyment and necessity whether food or drink but we sin if we abuse these.
It’s appalling that we use grape juice to represent the strong, powerful, healing, medicinal, cleansing blood of Jesus. Big big difference & we wonder why there’s so much sickness & disease & legalism & pride in the church.
I think Jesus drank wine at the marriage feast at Cana.
I think one glass to celebrate the marriage.
Ha! I prefer McDonald's coffee over Starbucks. Starbucks is too bitter. Granted I drink my coffee black (no sugar, no cream).
What discussion it was all to short.
How drunk do you have to be to believe Jesus didn’t drink wine?
“The Son of Man came eating and drinking and they called him a glutton and a drunkard.”
What are the qualifications of a bishop? No wine. What are the qualifications of a deacon? Not given to much wine which means he can have some. How about the elderly women of the church? same as a Deacon. What were Paul's instructions to Timothy? Take a little wine for your stomach's sake. Drunkenness is a sin but having some wine is not. You have to follow the Word of God, DO NOT make up your own rules. I would even agree it's best to not drink at all but that is not what the Bible says. Also, the Passover wine was normally if not always fermented (wine).
“Jesus took the cup & said this is my blood…” There is a huge difference drinking wine to represent the blood of Jesus. Wine is strong, powerful, healing, medicinal. Grape juice? Not so much…
If it was fermented wine, Jesus would be guilty of making someone drunk.
"And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now." John 2:10
And how much wine was it? 180 gallons. One hundred and eighty. Wow. So if we suggest this was alcohol, then we have Christ guilty of making people drunk! Can He really be God then?
The Bible does not mention if the wine was fermented or not! It was a miracle! New wine refered to new season wine which had to be tithed, old wine was not tighted! Jesus did not drink grape juice or wine, He was dedicated as a Nazarite! Read the Bible!
He never did drink alchool
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You dont know that
Do not let people fool you, they have made new rituals and Laws based on tradition not Truth. Jesus drank wine just read for yourself but beyond that let Him teach you in the Spirit and trust NO MAN not even me.
Luke 7:33-34 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, ‘He has a demon!’ The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Look at this glutton and drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and of sinners!’
Matthew 26:28-30
28 This is my blood of the[a] covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. 29 I tell you, I will not drink from this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.”
Jesus loves wine
@@fishersofmen4727 Don't let alcohol fool you. Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise. Prov. 20:1
John the Baptist wasn't eating or drinking anything from the grape and they said he had a devil , so when Jesus drank and ate products of the grape (not alcoholic wine), they called Him a drunkard because they were false accusers, not because he drank alcoholic wine. You have to understand the Jewish culture of the time and the Nazarite vow. They knew that Proverbs condemned alcohol. (Look not on the wine when it is red (alcoholic))
@@joemonroe9456 Jesus was called a glutton and a drunkard in Luke 7:34 because he drank too much and ate too much, respectively.
This is not even a “hard question” ... Luke 7:34 clearly shows how Jesus drank wine because the Pharisees accused Him of being a drunkard! How could they call Him a drunkard if He was drinking no alcoholic grape juice.
The verse before shows how the same Pharisees called John the Baptist a demon when he, conversely, didn’t drink wine. Why would the Pharisees attack John for not touching grape juice!? Nonsense
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If you go to the liquor store it won’t Hurt your testimony!!!???? lol 😂 wow !!! These people don’t know anything!!!!
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Don't let alcohol fool you. Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise. Prov. 20:1
John the Baptist wasn't eating or drinking anything from the grape and they said he had a devil , so when Jesus drank and ate products of the grape (not alcoholic wine), they called Him a drunkard because they were false accusers, not because he drank alcoholic wine. You have to understand the Jewish culture of the time and the Nazarite vow. They knew that Proverbs condemned alcohol. (Look not on the wine when it is red (alcoholic))
Jesus talked about new wine in new wineskins. Fermentation would cause the wineskin to explode. Jews drink wine. Jesus took the wine and blessed it. You aren't answering the question, "Did Jesus Drink REAL Wine or Grape Juice?"
Jesus drank dakhras , he didn't even touched alcohol like beer and whiskey
HEBREWS 12:14
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Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord,
The water-Wine was not grape juice or the vinegar wine of the vine. This water wine is supposed to be drank with the Holy concecrated bread cakes. These things are made Alchemicaly
Jesus know what to do
It’d be a pretty funny insult if they called Jesus a glutton and a grape juice bibber 😂
Funny how the same people still promote eating food when it’s clear that food leads to gluttony. It is actually the #1 killer in America.
No wine no weed
NO !!! Pray and seek from the Holy Spirit?? To drink no wine Lol !!! Wow!! I hope he’s not a pastor !!
You can't be sober and drink alcoholic wine, but you can be sober if you drink new wine (grape juice) like Jesus.
Juice can make my heart glad
Jesus simply drink unfermented wine, not juice, not alcohol...why make much talk about it?
It was wine because they asked why have you kept the best wine for last? People would serve the good wine then when everyone was gettin happy they serve the cheap wine. Jesus may not have drank it but it was still wine. The Bible says it is wine so is the Bible lying?
The good wine was the new wine (grape juice). Old wine becomes vinegary unless you take special precautions to turn into alcoholic wine. It's not as easy as you might think to make alcoholic wine.
Look not on the wine when it is red (fermented alcohol) Prov. 23
Yes Christ taught us that drinking alcohol is good. To be a true Christian even requires it.
Christ said in Luke 5:37-39 "And no man putteth new wine (grape juice) into old bottles (brittal leather animal skins) ; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish (from the stretching caused by the fermentation process) But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved. No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better."
In parenthesis added to make sure you get what is being said. Any true Christian must drink wine, because it represents the blood of Christ. Christ said
Joh 6:54 "Whoso eateth my flesh , and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day." Drinking wine represents the blood of Christ, not grape juice. We know Christ died on Passover and Passover is six months after grape harvest. Grape juice only take about 2 weeks to turn to wine. Therefore we know for certain that Christ was using the real fermented wine which he said once you taste you should not desire unfermented grape juice again! It is sad that most Protestants are against the teachings of Christ.
No if we r real with Jesus and living a holy life there no need of wine cuz he gives the living water amen ya diggggg
Psalm 75: 8
Jesus drank the purple sizzle. 🙏
All talk, no answers.
What a silly question! Since when we or ancient people called Wine as grape juice? lol
Everyone grape juice wasn’t invented until 1869 so we can all throw out the grape juice theory and now you have to deal with the historical context
Are you saying they didn't know how to press grapes? Have you ever heard of a wine press?
7Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.
8It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones.
9Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:
10So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine.
11My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction:
12For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.
@@joemonroe9456
First of all Grapes naturally have yeast in it and of course sugar even if you didn’t want to make it to wine it was very easy for grapes to just ferment into wine, without the proper refrigeration it is impossible in biblical times to even try to keep juice because if you would store grape juice because of the heat and the sugar and yeast that grapes have it will just naturally turn into wine so my brother do your research because I’m not making this up
Are you telling me God made wine with such good benefits to be used wisely in moderation for us not to consume it?
“You cause the grass to grow for the livestock and plants for man to cultivate, that he may bring forth food from the earth and wine to gladden the heart of man, oil to make his face shine and bread to strengthen man’s heart.”
Psalm 104:14-15
Also one more thing why does wine have such good health benefits?
Just to list off a couple of health benefits
1. Wine is rich in antioxidants
2. Lowers bad cholesterol
3. Keeps hearts healthy
5. Reduces the risk of cancer
Grape juice doesn't need to be invented lol, whenever grape was created that was it's beginning
The enemy will tell you... have another one, is fine!
😂 it was wine the best all wine i have had is nasty but im pretty sure Jesus,s wine is great
A woman should not be a pastor. The Bible states this in:
1 Timothy 2:11-12.
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Amen!
no nothing to do with him being black hes comments I went to a black school in junior & high school, here in Ca.
With out holiness, no one will see God.
The first 1800 years or so of the church did not share a concern about wine in moderation. Teetotalism is an absurd position for the Christian. The fruit of the spirit is "Self Control" not abstinence.
and the religion of forbidding any alcohol is ISLAM not Christianity.
@@chuckwright8889 Be sober is a command in the bible. The winebibber interpretation of various passages is to justify intoxicating themselves.
@@joemonroe9456 I feel sorry for you, a pharisee bound up in legalism, having to pervert scripture to fit your own imprisoned self. Dude, enjoy the First Miracle.....and be man enough to admit what it was and what happened. And quit being an idiot taking bits and pieces of scripture here and there to try and make doctrine out of. You show yourself a fool.
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It's a bad example
Of course it was real wine. If Jesus turned water into grape juice instead of wine, the bible would of said grape juice instead of wine.
Grape juice was also called wine "Look not on the wine when it is red (alcoholic) Prov. 23:31