Among other milestones like hitting the 10k subscribers mark for this channel, I also got my first copyright strike yesterday when I tried uploading this! So I pulled a few extra hours of render time and to not set off any alarms in this repload. So far it's good, and hopefully it stays that way. Also, for those keeping track of the Omega Nose Art: Roanoke - Raiden Shogun Alexander - Prince Alexander of Daventry Churchill - Darjeeling Agrippa - Eula Lawrence Patreon: patreon.com/user?u=98553222 Twitter: twitter.com/MacsLore Bluesky: bsky.app/profile/macslore.bsky.social
“Bill, did you ever meet the Captain of the Clarkstown?” “He and the General were at the academy together. Hage introduced him to me last summer, he has a wife back home. Three small children, and an Abassynian cat named Max.” “That what makes this war different then anything we’ve ever gone through before.” “This time, we know everyone we kill.”
It's really weird to watch Babylon 5 now after seeing how crazy our world has gotten. Just look what happened earlier today. Babylon 5 is more relevant than ever.
Yeah same here. I was never in my life time would a president go full dicator/puppet and America would be a banana republic. Though I'm assuming y'all are talking about something old blackface Trudeau did. God bless y'all stay safe.
I’ve watched the entirety of the Babylon 5 run during the Bush-Iraq war years, the authoritarian cop state Trump years, and the bumbling Biden and you know who authoritarian moment (years???) and found relevance in all three periods.
this is a great re-telling of this scene. And this is one of the most beloved sequences in B5 lore. I still get chills when Delen shows up and saves the day. This was an excellent reminder of a wonderful scene!
Some say that General Hague *wasn't* actually killed while fighting against Clark Loyalist forces. Instead, they claim that he was arrested on Earth while trying to lead a coup of his own by one Captain Benjamin Lafayette Sisko.
I deeply love the B5 story and show but this is one of the things that bugged me over the years. Clark would never have been on EF1. For security reasons a Vice President and President travel on different transports.
10:30 my only critique of this whole video is that you showed the Shadow battleship exploding rather than the insect-like curling of it's spars when it was killed
I imagine one would rig the ship with skeleton like you would animate a character... but do very very bad weight-paint on it, then have fun with it imploding when you try to animate it.
It's nice of the President to issue his martial law directive using the Serpentine typeface - the same one used in the show's titles. Excellent choice, Clark.
"...we will remain an independent state until President Clark is removed from office." Goosebumps, and again when Delenn tells the Clark ships to get lost.
@@randlebrowne2048 Whatever happens, we can take some small comfort in the fact that Deep Space 9 had to pay an out of court settlement to Babylon 5 back in the day.
@@PY5RA J. Michael Straczynski, the man behind B5, pitched the idea for a space station setting for Star Trek to Paramount with the whole long war arc and everything, they rejected his pitch so JMS went and made the show himself with B5. Paramount started producing DS9 at the same time, resulting in "Bruh."
A nice video but one detail you got off. Its never said how many Destroyers joined the initial rebellion or how many were shot down. It says four of five Cruisers that defected with Hague were shot down. In the Earth Alliance Cruisers are a separate smaller type of warship from Destroyers. The most common EA Cruiser seen in the series for example is the Hyperion class which a little over 1,000 meters long while an Omega is more then 1,700 meters long
....... Now that you mention it, I actually would love to see a somewhat animated summary of the X-Wing book series as well. Disney the coward abandoned their X-Wing project.
This is just such a good edit. Nice CGI additions. Does justice to B5, it deserves more stuff like this. The Earth-Minbari war was also a great edit. Keep up the good work.
B5 was The Bomb, loved this show, was so ahead of its time, had great graphics and the storylines were GREAT! I think I need to go back and re-watch this and now that I'm an adult, I don't think I paid much attention to Nightwatch and what that really means! Strange how this subject, when not knowing much about the world, means so much more know, regarding government spies and people "snitching" on each other. I was so interested in the Mbari religion and how all the main characters were locked in a forever war but eventually all came around!
Thanks for the story!!!! I was a fan of the series but back then I couldn't understand all the back story going on. With you video now I do. Thanks a lot!
Heh. I always say that B5 is a series you need to watch end to end at least three times to get most of the story...the first time to get the main story, the second time to catch all the build-up, setup, and foreshadowing (there's some things in there that get set up and take literal *years* to pay off), and a third time to get all the background setups and foreshadowing that you missed the first two times.
Babylon 5 has become one of my favorite Science Fiction series. It hasn’t been tainted with.WOKENESS . And I would love it. If you would do more B5 stuff there’s not much that I don’t know I own all of it seriously I own all five seasons I own all of the movies I own Crusade only one that I have not seen yet. Is the Animated the road home I hope to see soon. But another words, I know B5 and I love your style.
The nightwatch was an allegory for any fashist movement and how insidious it seepes in to society. B5 didn't stooped to "space nazism" but an more organic universal totalitarian movement which has yet to be rivaled by any contemporary shows as they always devolve to space nazism. From mid season 2 to mid season 3 it really shows how uncomfortable but inevitable it is for those on the B5 security team to go along with it or be labled a traitor.
👌😎👍Very cool and very nicely greatly well done in every detail way shape and format provided indeed Sir!, And I myself still own the entire DVD collection and all the various made for cable movies plus the most recent animated one of Babylon 5 which is still one of the greatest series ever made indeed!...
One thing; Nightwatch's orders didn't come from thrme President's Office. As Commander in Chief, that would have been through the Chain of Command. Their orders came from The Ministry of Peace, a branch of Clark's Political Office, thus outside of the Chain of Command.
Love your video as I am in middle of rewatching Babylon 5 on Tubbi. Its a shame we will never get to see the Omegas fire their broadside missiles in anger as their designer intended (these are the red tubes you see on their sides)
@@PY5RA RUclips deleted my comment replying to you because I named (not site address, the site name) a site that has the designer notes. Stupid of RUclips.
where did you get those 3D renders? tell me there is a "babylon 5 online" somewhere. Can't wait for you to dive in into B5 lore, Your narration, as per usual, great!
I have been a fan of B5 since it was first broadcast in the UK. Its one of those multi season stories that I admire and wished other Sci-Fi series were like this.
@@ommadawn8434 I just hope that they disinfect Hollywood of the woke mind-virus before they do reboot it (the original showrunner is actively working on shopping scripts around for a pilot).
@@randlebrowne2048 Woke is just a word people use who don't understand the real problem. The writers today think that just because a character is minority that is all that is needed. You need characters that are not defined by being the minority but something else.
@catprog Woke is reflexively parroting the currently prevailing progressive party line in a cult-like manner to avoid social ostrizization. Because that party line is ever shifting, the woke live in constant terror of becoming tomorrow's "facists". They will sacrifice anything, and anyone, to avoid being cast out from the cult.
Still one of the best interconnected sci fi series ever. One could only dream what would have happened if Star Trek Enterprise was given the go ahead with J.Michal Straczynski
No, it's true. JMS, the creator went to Paramount first with the story of B5, then they denied it. Then they announced Deep Space 9. The channel Secret Galaxy had a great video on it.
@@travisbishop782 The space station thing was already established but DS9 from season 2 onward was them literally having to compete for ratings hence they pivoted in to the dominion/kardashian war. Ask any DS9 fan why the show suddenly turned away from wormhole exploration to full on galactic war. I mean seriously they had like 5-10 episodes about species coming from the wormhole that apperantly was completely over run by the dominion. I mean they blew up a Galaxy Class that was exploring the Alpha quadrant to for shadow the new enemy. I also don't understand why the domion didn't simply bypassed romulan space since they had a treaty with the romulans apperantly. Well before the romulans decided to join the federation to get to earth but instead kept sitting at a killbox wormhole that had self replicating mines around it. In B5 it made sense as jumpgates were the main means of travel where as in startrek independant warp travel was their way to go.
Very small nitpick, didn't Sheridan's old ship actually intercept the Whitestar after the shadow ship was destroyed at Ganymede? Apologies if I am misremembering.
I know it likely never got the numbers that shows like Star Trek did, but if it managed to get five seasons plus spin-offs, then B5 can't really be called underrated, right? 🤔
For a show that got shipped around networks with a budget of only 10% DS9 had and still managed to compete with it for ratings i'd say they earned the title of underdog.
Just for the record. The Churchill rammed the Roanoke, and crippled her slightly, and then Babylon-5 finished her off. The Agrippa was destroyed by the Alexander when Major Ryan closed in and hit her broadside with their particle beam. The narrator claims that the Churchill rammed the Agrippa, and both explode in a fireball, which is not the case, as you can see that the Agrippa was still in the fight after the Churchill’s destruction. Ivanova’s disabled Starfury slams into it when she ejects. Details People! Doesn’t anybody pay attention anymore.
Star Trek indirectly introduced me to Babylon 5. A Fanfiction writer by the name of AlbertG wrote an outstanding crossover between the two, and one of the first substantive events is the Battle of Babylon 5. The inflection point was specifically as Clark reinforcements showed up, and cemented by love for not just the crossover, but also Babylon 5 as a whole. The following exchange is a bit long, and far longer than what occurred in canon, but a fun read nonetheless. It is always so satisfying seeing these space fascists have their asses handed to them on a silver platter. ---Onboard the Evanston, the communications officer expected and received an answer to his Captain's hail. But he was looked perplexed and somewhat surprised by what came over the radio link. "Sir? We're receiving a hail." "So. What is it?" he snapped. "Are they surrendering?" He hoped it wasn't true because he was already feeling vaguely disappointed. "We're having trouble with the video feed, but it's from the white ship." Comms piped it thru. "This is Captain Jean-Luc Picard onboard the USS Enterprise," the voice said. "Babylon Five is under our protection. You will stand down and leave Babylon Five space or we will open fire and evict you from this area. Respond." How dare they interfere with this mission! Irritated, Captain Drake punched his comm-link. "Negative. We have authority here. Do not force us to fire on you, Enterprise." That was an Earth name he realized. Earth Intelligence was correct in their assessment. This may very well be a Human-run vessel. Who was this 'Captain' Picard? Logic suggested that this was one of Sheridan's secret weapons. To his navigator and weapons officers: "Proceed and target that ship if they even twitch." Interference would not be tolerated. "Affirmative, sir." As the Captain requested readout of the ship from tactical, he found the analysis strange, but impressive. How Sheridan's people managed to build a ship of that size without anyone getting wind of it was a mystery. But one thing was clear; that configuration was something no Human mind would produce. It was designed as a large saucer with three pylons, one large and two small connected by struts of various sizes. The overall saucer shape suggested a cobra with its hood spread. The lettering was clearly in English, USS Enterprise NCC-1701-D. There appeared to be no thrusters and how it moved was a mystery. The overall mass of the ship was four hundred meters smaller than a heavy Hyperion-class destroyer. It was six hundred forty-one meters in overall length and there appeared to be no visible weapons ports open that they could tell. Some sort of distortion field was reflecting his Omega class Destroyer's deep scans. Its Captain sounded Human but it was clearly some type of deception, most likely by Sheridan's people. If he was Human, then he was another traitor. Well, it was not going to work. Already his Breeching pod was heading towards the Babylon station and other than this one little alien ship, a battered B5, the remains of the Churchill and a few Star Furies there was nothing to stop him and his five Destroyers from accomplishing his goal. He opened the comms channel again. "Enterprise, you will surrender your vessel immediately or we will disable or destroy it." He decided to make this Picard sweat by calling his bluff. Without waiting, he switched to inner-fleet comms. "Open a channel to our fleet," he ordered. "Channel open, Sir." "To all ships," Drake announced. "The Evanston and Rochester will neutralize the Enterprise threat. To the Nimrod and Pournelle, subdue the Alexander, and Lenmark escort the Breeching Pod to B5 and give it cover. All ships will converge on B5 after we have completed our initial tasks. Let's make this happen people." "Lieutenant Hung, steer us to that Captain Picard's ship. I want it out of the way as soon as possible." The Captain of the Evanston fully expected the ship to turn tail and run. And if not, then two to one was never good odds for someone to play with. "Fire as soon as you get into range." "Targeting." "Sir," the radar officer said, his voice raised. "They're moving towards us." Captain Drake looked at the white ship growing larger in his window by the second. "So be it. Lock on and fire as soon as we're in range." It was a shame that they would have to shoot holes in such a pretty ship, but when you played with fire, you got burnt.
This episode was 12, not 14, years after the Earth Minbari Was (season 1 intro says 10 years & this was season 3). Sheridan was called Starkiller, not for surviving a battle, but because he destroyed the Black Star.
I been rewatching B5 and really wish there was a better way for the B5 crew getting the transmission between Clark and Morden besides "The Great Machine is able to get transmissions from the past somehow". Maybe this was a clue to the events of "War Without End" but still it's such a random thing.
One thing that really bugs me is when media journalists write articles about the rise of long story arc television, displacing the previous overwhelming preference for stories told in a single episode (with the occasional two-parter). They will rattle on about The Sopranos, or The West Wing, or Murder One. They will hardly ever mention Babylon Five, even though it predated all of them and was more ambitious in its long-form plotting than any of them. It's hard to know whether this is driven primarily by genre snobbery or by sheer ignorance.
That shadow vessel wasn't activated to defend Ganameed. The people in Ganameed station was alright sending someone inside it before the white star even got their attention but the rest of Sol did respond to the white star Intrusion with the EAS Agamemnon. And the older to place by 105 under the nightwatch came from the political office. Though it had ties to the President. They could not give military personnel orders.
Excellent summary of one of the most interesting stories within the saga of Babylon 5! A shame you got a BS copyright strike, clearly every bit of this video is for discussion, and much of it transformative. Fight the strike, it will drop off.
DeLenn's speech to the EA task force is still one of the best moments of ANY TV series I've seen. This episode in particular was well written, well paced and is just one of those moments when you know history is being made. Awesome episode. It will always be one of my favorites.
Well I hope you're happy... I'm going to have to go rewatch all of Babylon 5 now... on the other hand, Thanks I'm going to go rewatch all of Babylon 5 now... Have a good day!
I think the biggest mistake of the Battle of Babylon 5 was the fact that Delenn didn't order the Earthforce ships to surrender. If you think about it the ships likely weren't maned only by Loyalists but instead would've had many people only following orders out of fear if you could force surrender & through fear of the Minbari you could likely have gained a few extra Earthforce warships for the war ahead. I believe if the 2nd ship hadn't been exploded in the initial battle you'd have found a few loyalist troops who'd defect to Sheridan's crew. I am guessing any remaining Fighters after the 2 earthforce destroyer's where destroyed would've either defected or surrendered. As I am certain they would slowly be filled with doubt by the events. The best tool of oppressors is ignorance & fear but if you remove these factors you are able to get those who are bystanders to act against the oppressors.
The Shadow vessel immediately sensed the Vorlon technology in the White Star and attacked from instinct. After first destroying what was "holding it prisoner", Ganymede base. lol
man, Earth Forces only had to take one look at those ships...and hear Delinn's threat to run like the wind. So much for that Senator's claim the Earth forces could take on the Minbri
For my money Severed Dreams is still the single best hour of TV ever. I was getting ready to go out on a date when it was airing but after 15 minutes i canceled the date to watch it. To this day after seeing her on facebook years later i made the right choice.
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Among other milestones like hitting the 10k subscribers mark for this channel, I also got my first copyright strike yesterday when I tried uploading this! So I pulled a few extra hours of render time and to not set off any alarms in this repload. So far it's good, and hopefully it stays that way.
Also, for those keeping track of the Omega Nose Art:
Roanoke - Raiden Shogun
Alexander - Prince Alexander of Daventry
Churchill - Darjeeling
Agrippa - Eula Lawrence
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a copy right strike?! for what?!!!
Probably for using B5 music :/
Welp... at least there's no strikes remaining, while your tracking ways?
I approb.
Love the nose art.
Actually it was one of the video clips in the CG, it ran on a little too long for RUclips's liking. Surprisingly the music is ok.
B5's rise to an independent state is one of the greatest space opera stories ever told! Great video. This is why we ring the bell, people!
Definitely up there alongside the story of Kuun-Lan from Homeworld. Great writing.
@@PY5RA Ooo a fellow Cataclysm fan. o7
“Bill, did you ever meet the Captain of the Clarkstown?”
“He and the General were at the academy together. Hage introduced him to me last summer, he has a wife back home. Three small children, and an Abassynian cat named Max.”
“That what makes this war different then anything we’ve ever gone through before.”
“This time, we know everyone we kill.”
You left out “Lord knows what I’ll say to both their wives.”
@@sdfried4877 honestly my favorite depiction of a civil war in media
It's really weird to watch Babylon 5 now after seeing how crazy our world has gotten. Just look what happened earlier today. Babylon 5 is more relevant than ever.
Yeah, I too thought it was funny while working on this that a president going full-dictator was the realm of Science-Fiction back in the 90s.
Totally!
Yeah same here. I was never in my life time would a president go full dicator/puppet and America would be a banana republic. Though I'm assuming y'all are talking about something old blackface Trudeau did. God bless y'all stay safe.
Yes indeed
I’ve watched the entirety of the Babylon 5 run during the Bush-Iraq war years, the authoritarian cop state Trump years, and the bumbling Biden and you know who authoritarian moment (years???) and found relevance in all three periods.
this is a great re-telling of this scene. And this is one of the most beloved sequences in B5 lore. I still get chills when Delen shows up and saves the day. This was an excellent reminder of a wonderful scene!
That threat by Delenn still gives me chills.
Still does to this day
Indeed, it is sad that we lost the actor :(
B5 is not over , the story has yet to be written.
Take hart young ones, their is more to come.
Amen to that
"There is only one human that has destroyed a Minbari vessel. He is behind me, you are in front of me. If you value your lives be somewhere else."
Some say that General Hague *wasn't* actually killed while fighting against Clark Loyalist forces. Instead, they claim that he was arrested on Earth while trying to lead a coup of his own by one Captain Benjamin Lafayette Sisko.
Hague just does not have luck with coups in any universe.
And some say he also failed a group named CADMUS and a Kryptonian clone named Galatea in their campaign against a Justice League Unlimited.
Some say that he Is still out there. That he didn't die because his agent double booked him 😅
Bittersweet memories. So many of that magnificent cast have since passed away.
Yeah and its a good 30 years NEWER than Star Trek the original series - Kirk is still alive because Khan failed 😄
I deeply love the B5 story and show but this is one of the things that bugged me over the years. Clark would never have been on EF1. For security reasons a Vice President and President travel on different transports.
Of course, leadership protocols of just one nation may not be that similar to a spacefaring UN.
a mistake by JMS. They are rare.
Sheridan personally kicking the shit out of the fascist Earthgov was the absolute peak of Babylon 5. Ivanova I imagine felt the same way
and, yet, it rose again years later. sad
10:30 my only critique of this whole video is that you showed the Shadow battleship exploding rather than the insect-like curling of it's spars when it was killed
I imagine one would rig the ship with skeleton like you would animate a character... but do very very bad weight-paint on it, then have fun with it imploding when you try to animate it.
B5 and BSG were without question, the two greatest sci-fi dramas of the last 30 years.
If I may add "The Expanse"...
I think B5 and the new BSG have a lot of similarities.
50 years. BSG is a tad older then the remake.
One of my favorite sci fi shows of all time.
And i've been watching them since the 70's
*Thanks for this Babylon 5 Lore Video.*
It's nice of the President to issue his martial law directive using the Serpentine typeface - the same one used in the show's titles. Excellent choice, Clark.
Enjoyed the jokes sprinkled throughout, narration stayed serious which made the jokes funnier when they showed up.
"...we will remain an independent state until President Clark is removed from office." Goosebumps, and again when Delenn tells the Clark ships to get lost.
Right in the nostalgia. B5 was so good.
I'm both looking forward to, and afraid of, the reboot series that is trying to get off the ground now.
@@randlebrowne2048 Whatever happens, we can take some small comfort in the fact that Deep Space 9 had to pay an out of court settlement to Babylon 5 back in the day.
@@omganotherun Wait, really ? What for ?
@@PY5RA J. Michael Straczynski, the man behind B5, pitched the idea for a space station setting for Star Trek to Paramount with the whole long war arc and everything, they rejected his pitch so JMS went and made the show himself with B5. Paramount started producing DS9 at the same time, resulting in "Bruh."
@@randlebrowne2048 Really...given that so many of the key actors that made it so great have passed away. :-/
Another banger video @MacsLore thanks for the work!
I cannot think of a better way to kick off a Wednesday evening.
11:58 Prince Alexander of Daventry. Hell of an easter egg.
Amazing work, highly impressed!
And your support on Patreon helps make it happen. Thank you truly, as always
A nice video but one detail you got off. Its never said how many Destroyers joined the initial rebellion or how many were shot down. It says four of five Cruisers that defected with Hague were shot down. In the Earth Alliance Cruisers are a separate smaller type of warship from Destroyers. The most common EA Cruiser seen in the series for example is the Hyperion class which a little over 1,000 meters long while an Omega is more then 1,700 meters long
I’d like to reiterate my suggestion that your next video be about Operation: Grain Snatch from the first X-Wing game.
All things, in due time, of course.
@@MacsLore I'm sure it'll be worth the wait.
....... Now that you mention it, I actually would love to see a somewhat animated summary of the X-Wing book series as well. Disney the coward abandoned their X-Wing project.
@@PY5RA Disappointing, but hardly surprising. Still, that IS a good suggestion.
This is just such a good edit. Nice CGI additions. Does justice to B5, it deserves more stuff like this. The Earth-Minbari war was also a great edit. Keep up the good work.
Now we need the shadow war and the liberation of earth next, great work.
Only one human has survived an attack by a Minbari force. He is behind me. You are in front of me. If you value your lives, be somewhere else!
That sultry Canadian voice gets me everytime. God I love Mac's Lore
B5 was The Bomb, loved this show, was so ahead of its time, had great graphics and the storylines were GREAT! I think I need to go back and re-watch this and now that I'm an adult, I don't think I paid much attention to Nightwatch and what that really means! Strange how this subject, when not knowing much about the world, means so much more know, regarding government spies and people "snitching" on each other. I was so interested in the Mbari religion and how all the main characters were locked in a forever war but eventually all came around!
You need to do the narn-centauri war or shadow war
hell yeah, more lore! Battlestar galactica (2003) lore next please, I would LOVE to see a video like this about the first cylon war
Why? Did it turn out that every human was, in fact, a Cylon?
It's been weeks, and it seems that nobody's noticed the Alexander portrait -- from King's Quest VI. Hilarious, but also phenomenal stuff as always.
You’re always the biggest blessing in the world when you post your videos
God is this glorious! If only they would redo the show like this. Your channel is just so amazing covering the great sci-fi stories.
JMS has plans for a reboot, it got caught up in the WB/discovery merger and again with the paramount merger.
@@bobstorr4986 I hope something comes of all that.
Thanks for the story!!!! I was a fan of the series but back then I couldn't understand all the back story going on. With you video now I do. Thanks a lot!
Heh. I always say that B5 is a series you need to watch end to end at least three times to get most of the story...the first time to get the main story, the second time to catch all the build-up, setup, and foreshadowing (there's some things in there that get set up and take literal *years* to pay off), and a third time to get all the background setups and foreshadowing that you missed the first two times.
Babylon 5 has become one of my favorite Science Fiction series. It hasn’t been tainted with.WOKENESS . And I would love it. If you would do more B5 stuff there’s not much that I don’t know I own all of it seriously I own all five seasons I own all of the movies I own Crusade only one that I have not seen yet. Is the Animated the road home I hope to see soon. But another words, I know B5 and I love your style.
The nightwatch was an allegory for any fashist movement and how insidious it seepes in to society.
B5 didn't stooped to "space nazism" but an more organic universal totalitarian movement which has yet to be rivaled by any contemporary shows as they always devolve to space nazism.
From mid season 2 to mid season 3 it really shows how uncomfortable but inevitable it is for those on the B5 security team to go along with it or be labled a traitor.
You know Delenn is trans, right?
👌😎👍Very cool and very nicely greatly well done in every detail way shape and format provided indeed Sir!, And I myself still own the entire DVD collection and all the various made for cable movies plus the most recent animated one of Babylon 5 which is still one of the greatest series ever made indeed!...
Great video, can't wait to watch more!
Great work on the look and feel. Gives it a "documentary" feel.
It must've taken immense time and effort. Just know it's very appreciated.
One thing; Nightwatch's orders didn't come from thrme President's Office. As Commander in Chief, that would have been through the Chain of Command. Their orders came from The Ministry of Peace, a branch of Clark's Political Office, thus outside of the Chain of Command.
The author of Babylon 5 understood today Russia.
Love your video as I am in middle of rewatching Babylon 5 on Tubbi. Its a shame we will never get to see the Omegas fire their broadside missiles in anger as their designer intended (these are the red tubes you see on their sides)
If the reboot (by the same showrunner) ever actually gets off the ground, we might just see it yet!
Broadside missiles ?? Sounds pretty wild.
@@PY5RA yep. look up B5 Scrolls. Click on The Ships, then Earthforce and the first page has the designer notes on omega.
@@PY5RA RUclips deleted my comment replying to you because I named (not site address, the site name) a site that has the designer notes. Stupid of RUclips.
😁Never missed an episode of this, B5 ranks up there with the other Great Space Operas.👏Thanks much
The episode where they succeded was THE moment wherebBabylon 5 started its real legacy.
where did you get those 3D renders? tell me there is a "babylon 5 online" somewhere. Can't wait for you to dive in into B5 lore, Your narration, as per usual, great!
"viral infection"
I dunno seems legit...
LETS GOO
Another good video, Whitestar please.
Hey, now theres an idea.
@@MacsLore Thank you.
Hot damn this was good
I have been a fan of B5 since it was first broadcast in the UK. Its one of those multi season stories that I admire and wished other Sci-Fi series were like this.
Mac.... Is that. Prince Alexander of Daventry on the Alexander? You mad bastard.
Amazing how prescient this show was. An installed president, just like Juice Box Joey.
I miss B5. Might watch it again. Very sad that almost everyone died that was in that show.
"To absent friends, in memory still bright."
Still one of the best SciFi series ever made. I pray they never try to reboot it.
@@ommadawn8434 I just hope that they disinfect Hollywood of the woke mind-virus before they do reboot it (the original showrunner is actively working on shopping scripts around for a pilot).
@@randlebrowne2048
Woke is just a word people use who don't understand the real problem.
The writers today think that just because a character is minority that is all that is needed.
You need characters that are not defined by being the minority but something else.
@catprog Woke is reflexively parroting the currently prevailing progressive party line in a cult-like manner to avoid social ostrizization.
Because that party line is ever shifting, the woke live in constant terror of becoming tomorrow's "facists". They will sacrifice anything, and anyone, to avoid being cast out from the cult.
Still one of the best interconnected sci fi series ever.
One could only dream what would have happened if Star Trek Enterprise was given the go ahead with J.Michal Straczynski
When you say, "Do not force us to engage your ships"
And they respond with, "Why not?"
I’m impressed with your editing, storytelling and animation work on this video. I’m in for the subscription. Cheers.
Ready for this grenade.
Star trek Deep space 9 rip off Babylon Five.
Duck
No, it's true. JMS, the creator went to Paramount first with the story of B5, then they denied it. Then they announced Deep Space 9. The channel Secret Galaxy had a great video on it.
@@travisbishop782 The space station thing was already established but DS9 from season 2 onward was them literally having to compete for ratings hence they pivoted in to the dominion/kardashian war.
Ask any DS9 fan why the show suddenly turned away from wormhole exploration to full on galactic war.
I mean seriously they had like 5-10 episodes about species coming from the wormhole that apperantly was completely over run by the dominion.
I mean they blew up a Galaxy Class that was exploring the Alpha quadrant to for shadow the new enemy.
I also don't understand why the domion didn't simply bypassed romulan space since they had a treaty with the romulans apperantly.
Well before the romulans decided to join the federation to get to earth but instead kept sitting at a killbox wormhole that had self replicating mines around it.
In B5 it made sense as jumpgates were the main means of travel where as in startrek independant warp travel was their way to go.
Very small nitpick, didn't Sheridan's old ship actually intercept the Whitestar after the shadow ship was destroyed at Ganymede? Apologies if I am misremembering.
They did, I probably should have phrased that differently.
Nicely done, RIP the dear departed. Many lessons for today's world.
Thank you Mac.
Because I love Babylon 5 😊👍
I know it likely never got the numbers that shows like Star Trek did, but if it managed to get five seasons plus spin-offs, then B5 can't really be called underrated, right? 🤔
For a show that got shipped around networks with a budget of only 10% DS9 had and still managed to compete with it for ratings i'd say they earned the title of underdog.
Still the best TV scifi show, with such memorable characters - nice work Mac!
I actually thought Sheridan was placed there by/under order of Clark in the beginning ? But it was actually against Clark ?
The general picked him because he looked loyal to Clark but wouldn't be.
Sheridan was a war hero and Clark wanted a tough guy to exert Earth’s agenda but Hague gave him a different assignment.
Aha, I see now. Yeah, on paper Sheridan would look like an Earth-first and anti-alien hero based on his accomplishment of blowing up the Blackstar
Great Video! Are you going to do videos on the Shadow War and Earth Alliance Civil War?
Outstanding documentary ❤
B5 is still the best of all the sci-fi series kof the 80s 🤟😎
Problem with that statement, it came out in the '90s.
1993-1998
Prince Alexander! Nice Easter egg.
THANK YOU! I was wondering if the overlap between Kings Quest & B5 fans was enough for someone to get it.
@@MacsLore Yes, sir! Thanks for the work you're doing.
I love the eas churchill had a Darjeeling emblem
the speech by delene on guarding B5 is easily one of the most badass speeches, just ever
Great work @MacsLore. This looked great and was awesome. Getting the ship models makes this a notch above the rest in quality.
It's also a good way to go insane as a one-man dev team, but I certainly can't argue with the results.
@@MacsLore that it man. As a one man creator you need all the help you can get.
yay more B5 content! love!
Always had an issue with Delenn's line
It implies that nobody of the rank of Captain survived the Battle of the Line
To live and Die in Starlight.
Just for the record. The Churchill rammed the Roanoke, and crippled her slightly, and then Babylon-5 finished her off.
The Agrippa was destroyed by the Alexander when Major Ryan closed in and hit her broadside with their particle beam.
The narrator claims that the Churchill rammed the Agrippa, and both explode in a fireball, which is not the case, as you can see that the Agrippa was still in the fight after the Churchill’s destruction.
Ivanova’s disabled Starfury slams into it when she ejects.
Details People!
Doesn’t anybody pay attention anymore.
Star Trek indirectly introduced me to Babylon 5. A Fanfiction writer by the name of AlbertG wrote an outstanding crossover between the two, and one of the first substantive events is the Battle of Babylon 5.
The inflection point was specifically as Clark reinforcements showed up, and cemented by love for not just the crossover, but also Babylon 5 as a whole. The following exchange is a bit long, and far longer than what occurred in canon, but a fun read nonetheless.
It is always so satisfying seeing these space fascists have their asses handed to them on a silver platter.
---Onboard the Evanston, the communications officer expected and received an answer to his Captain's hail. But he was looked perplexed and somewhat surprised by what came over the radio link.
"Sir? We're receiving a hail."
"So. What is it?" he snapped. "Are they surrendering?" He hoped it wasn't true because he was already feeling vaguely disappointed.
"We're having trouble with the video feed, but it's from the white ship." Comms piped it thru.
"This is Captain Jean-Luc Picard onboard the USS Enterprise," the voice said. "Babylon Five is under our protection. You will stand down and leave Babylon Five space or we will open fire and evict you from this area. Respond."
How dare they interfere with this mission! Irritated, Captain Drake punched his comm-link. "Negative. We have authority here. Do not force us to fire on you, Enterprise." That was an Earth name he realized. Earth Intelligence was correct in their assessment. This may very well be a Human-run vessel. Who was this 'Captain' Picard? Logic suggested that this was one of Sheridan's secret weapons.
To his navigator and weapons officers: "Proceed and target that ship if they even twitch." Interference would not be tolerated.
"Affirmative, sir."
As the Captain requested readout of the ship from tactical, he found the analysis strange, but impressive. How Sheridan's people managed to build a ship of that size without anyone getting wind of it was a mystery. But one thing was clear; that configuration was something no Human mind would produce. It was designed as a large saucer with three pylons, one large and two small connected by struts of various sizes. The overall saucer shape suggested a cobra with its hood spread. The lettering was clearly in English, USS Enterprise NCC-1701-D. There appeared to be no thrusters and how it moved was a mystery. The overall mass of the ship was four hundred meters smaller than a heavy Hyperion-class destroyer. It was six hundred forty-one meters in overall length and there appeared to be no visible weapons ports open that they could tell. Some sort of distortion field was reflecting his Omega class Destroyer's deep scans. Its Captain sounded Human but it was clearly some type of deception, most likely by Sheridan's people. If he was Human, then he was another traitor. Well, it was not going to work. Already his Breeching pod was heading towards the Babylon station and other than this one little alien ship, a battered B5, the remains of the Churchill and a few Star Furies there was nothing to stop him and his five Destroyers from accomplishing his goal.
He opened the comms channel again. "Enterprise, you will surrender your vessel immediately or we will disable or destroy it." He decided to make this Picard sweat by calling his bluff. Without waiting, he switched to inner-fleet comms. "Open a channel to our fleet," he ordered.
"Channel open, Sir."
"To all ships," Drake announced. "The Evanston and Rochester will neutralize the Enterprise threat. To the Nimrod and Pournelle, subdue the Alexander, and Lenmark escort the Breeching Pod to B5 and give it cover. All ships will converge on B5 after we have completed our initial tasks. Let's make this happen people."
"Lieutenant Hung, steer us to that Captain Picard's ship. I want it out of the way as soon as possible." The Captain of the Evanston fully expected the ship to turn tail and run. And if not, then two to one was never good odds for someone to play with. "Fire as soon as you get into range."
"Targeting."
"Sir," the radar officer said, his voice raised. "They're moving towards us."
Captain Drake looked at the white ship growing larger in his window by the second. "So be it. Lock on and fire as soon as we're in range." It was a shame that they would have to shoot holes in such a pretty ship, but when you played with fire, you got burnt.
This episode was 12, not 14, years after the Earth Minbari Was (season 1 intro says 10 years & this was season 3).
Sheridan was called Starkiller, not for surviving a battle, but because he destroyed the Black Star.
Awesome content and video. Well done!
The Pilot Babylon 5 The Gathering debuted in 1993. The 1st Episode also debuted in 1993.
Deleen's speech was epic. "Withdraw...... or be destroyed!" Ooooooh chills down the spine.
I been rewatching B5 and really wish there was a better way for the B5 crew getting the transmission between Clark and Morden besides "The Great Machine is able to get transmissions from the past somehow". Maybe this was a clue to the events of "War Without End" but still it's such a random thing.
I just recently got done watching B5. I always thought BSG remake was the best scifi until I finally watched B5.
One thing that really bugs me is when media journalists write articles about the rise of long story arc television, displacing the previous overwhelming preference for stories told in a single episode (with the occasional two-parter). They will rattle on about The Sopranos, or The West Wing, or Murder One. They will hardly ever mention Babylon Five, even though it predated all of them and was more ambitious in its long-form plotting than any of them. It's hard to know whether this is driven primarily by genre snobbery or by sheer ignorance.
That shadow vessel wasn't activated to defend Ganameed. The people in Ganameed station was alright sending someone inside it before the white star even got their attention but the rest of Sol did respond to the white star Intrusion with the EAS Agamemnon. And the older to place by 105 under the nightwatch came from the political office. Though it had ties to the President. They could not give military personnel orders.
Excellent summary of one of the most interesting stories within the saga of Babylon 5! A shame you got a BS copyright strike, clearly every bit of this video is for discussion, and much of it transformative. Fight the strike, it will drop off.
DeLenn's speech to the EA task force is still one of the best moments of ANY TV series I've seen. This episode in particular was well written, well paced and is just one of those moments when you know history is being made. Awesome episode. It will always be one of my favorites.
Well I hope you're happy... I'm going to have to go rewatch all of Babylon 5 now... on the other hand, Thanks I'm going to go rewatch all of Babylon 5 now... Have a good day!
I think the biggest mistake of the Battle of Babylon 5 was the fact that Delenn didn't order the Earthforce ships to surrender. If you think about it the ships likely weren't maned only by Loyalists but instead would've had many people only following orders out of fear if you could force surrender & through fear of the Minbari you could likely have gained a few extra Earthforce warships for the war ahead. I believe if the 2nd ship hadn't been exploded in the initial battle you'd have found a few loyalist troops who'd defect to Sheridan's crew. I am guessing any remaining Fighters after the 2 earthforce destroyer's where destroyed would've either defected or surrendered. As I am certain they would slowly be filled with doubt by the events. The best tool of oppressors is ignorance & fear but if you remove these factors you are able to get those who are bystanders to act against the oppressors.
The Shadow vessel immediately sensed the Vorlon technology in the White Star and attacked from instinct. After first destroying what was "holding it prisoner", Ganymede base. lol
Really appreciate the B5 content. Can't wait to see more. Subscribed.
Absolutely fantastic! More B5! Damnit, take my money and give me more B5!
I wonder if #45 got some ideas from this show? Nah, he's not that smart. B5 is what Star Trek should have been.
how did this masterpiece come out of 90s network television? I still can't wrap my head around it.
This was really the best sci-fi show out there. Such a good story, so many amazing characters. It is a shame the the network kept f'ing with them.
I liked the way you told the story. Babalon5 was a show that had amazing writing. This wasn't even one of the good parts lol.
man, Earth Forces only had to take one look at those ships...and hear Delinn's threat to run like the wind. So much for that Senator's claim the Earth forces could take on the Minbri
I love this show!!!!
For my money Severed Dreams is still the single best hour of TV ever. I was getting ready to go out on a date when it was airing but after 15 minutes i canceled the date to watch it. To this day after seeing her on facebook years later i made the right choice.
The number of starring cast members in this show who have already passed away is shockingly high. 😟
Think you need to rewatch some episodes and recheck some facts because even though it’s a good vid, a lot of little facts are wrong
That poster of Clark as some sort of he-man superman reminds me of the MAGAt cult.
Gawd... I miss this show. Sadly over half of the cast are no longer with us.