Thanks Dave! Love hearing your expert opinions and thoughtful knowledge. They always make me think about racing again at my home track being Phillip Island... Even tho it been a while as on when the WSB’s where either Japanese 4 cylinder 750’s and L Twin 916’s... 👍😎
Thank you. Hope to get back to P.I> again and ride it. So grateful to have raced for the US team in the Challenge a few years ago before all the big names showed up! The racing part will not leave us!
I competed in 95 and then again in 96 in a supporting class at the WSB round at PI. Will never forget it as both years had recorded crowds of over 110k at the track each day! I still have one of my two race bikes from that era stored in “my man cave”. 😊
Pirelli ended the SC in 190/55/17. 200/60 won't fit my '14 SDR1290 swingarm. Just ordered the Q4's, cheaper too. Thanks for what to expect and clear instruction.
Thank you for the interesting viewpoint, seems worthwhile getting a pair, wonder how they'll go on the rr. We only have cold, then colder ! Reached a high of 78°f, you are all so lucky.
@@catalystreactionsbw The last dunlop I tried was the 212gp, a good tyre but I preferred the feel of the Diablo slick, but I'll see how I go with the Q4 Hopefully it's still dry enough to get out and play.
Bad decisionmaking is a sign of dehydration, but it often seems like no big deal when it's happening and that makes it extremely dangerous. Street riding on a super hot L.A. day, getting very dehydrated but I'm still passing places where water could be found because I'm suddenly fussy about where to stop. It took mindlessly sailing through an intersection on a red light to finally SHUT IT DOWN.
Good morning Dave my question for you is if I have 110 upfront and a 150 in the rear is it ok go go up 1 size on both 120 front 160 rear for more traction and braking I'm210lbs on a 390
Lol, I was gonna say but Dave you haven't mentioned the fact the rear only lasts 2 days, and then he did at the very end and explained why and now I feel like an idiot, oh well time to get a new rear and try again.
Contact Patch has been around for a very long time and it has its own playlist! Enjoy :) We will contact Metzeler to see if they would be willing to supply us with a set.
@@catalystreactionsbw A video on the Pirelli TD is coming then? Nice! I was actually talking about your opinion on the Metzeler Racetec TD Slick I linked which is marketed as not requiring warmers also. Thanks!
Hi Dave, I've been running fast intermediate/ low advance times on q3+. Was debating switching to q4s or making a jump straight to slicks. Thoughts and opinions? Much appreciated 🙏
Dunlop slicks can be reversed so you can get 4-7 track days out of them. Great for longevity and $$ ROI. If you ride the same tracks the same direction, any hypersport tire will not last anywhere near as long. BUT, if you ride street as well - therein lies the quandary unless you opt for a second set of wheels?
Bought a set of Q4's for my Ducati 1098s after so many reviews. To be honest I'm, not a fan. They really do need alot of heat to be useful on the street and don't provide positive feedback. Much bigger fan of Michelin pilot sports.
@@catalystreactionsbw 34psi front, 36psi rear, average ambient temp of 80-90 degrees and a surface temp around 100 with east coast humidity. I like that they are consistent at most speeds but you really need to push them when not on a track. When coming out of a garage the first few miles they feel like rock hard 10 year old tires where I can feel the back end starting to slide in mild corners at low/mild speed. Front and rear were installed together and have about 200 miles of road use. The Michelin pilot sports however come up to temp much faster and really come alive once warmed. Not a track tire but I feel more confident on them then the Q4's.
@@enigma02g do 32-30 front and 34-32 rear tire if that dont work go even a bit lower...all street race tires on higher pressures will slide a bit when cold....
@@robertortiz3345 I agree that the recommended pressures for a 1098 are higher then average, but every single piece of information for them says to never go that low. The Michelin pilot 2ct are all around better in my riding experience. I just feel the Q4's are over rated. I'll be switching away from them when next set comes due.
@@enigma02g The 2ct are better for beginners because it prevents cold temp accidents and slips firts 15 min of riding ....but for high power bikes once warmed up and at high limits the Q4s and other high performance tires will save you way more than the 2ct ...
Given the latest hyperpsort offerings, as a rider that MUST have the front tire communicate with me, Pirelli Rosso 2, Bridgestone S22, Dunlop Q4 all give me that great feeling. The new Pirelli TD has the same feeling in the fornt as well. Not tested Michelin RS or Metzeler RR offerings yet.
I have a premium membership but I can't watch the premium videos. I login with my phone on the website but after following the links to the videos, at the top of the page in the blue header, it has a link to login. I've tried to watch the Q4 tire test but it's only the 8 minute preview version. I've run into this issue multiple times nows, how can I fix it?
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Does anybody know what the hot pressures are supposed to be for rosso corsa 2's? I've tried pirelli website but they only have that info for supercorsa's or slicks
On one of the reviews of RC2 (can't remember which site) says the Pirelli reps recommended 26/31 (Fr/Rr) for track use, 35/33 for canyon riders, and 36/35 for commuters.
....... for that track aggregate, that day with track temps over 140F at Fast A group pace with no traction control, stock forks and revalved shock. The extra details are critical. I will be trying different pressures and a different track surface to see what changes in the next 2 weeks.
@@catalystreactionsbw Hi Dave thanks for the info, I could only find cold tire recommendations from Dunlop. Were the hot recommendations only done by them for this specific track?
I cant even tell you how many hours of Dave Moss tuning I have watched.
Thank you for watching - what has been the most useful video you have watched so far?
@@catalystreactionsbw I can take something aways from any one of your videos. Thank you for the knowledge and keep up the good work.
I 'd marry his daughter just to hang out with the guy... he s the father and father in law i wish i had...
Thanks Dave! Love hearing your expert opinions and thoughtful knowledge. They always make me think about racing again at my home track being Phillip Island... Even tho it been a while as on when the WSB’s where either Japanese 4 cylinder 750’s and L Twin 916’s... 👍😎
Thank you. Hope to get back to P.I> again and ride it. So grateful to have raced for the US team in the Challenge a few years ago before all the big names showed up! The racing part will not leave us!
I competed in 95 and then again in 96 in a supporting class at the WSB round at PI. Will never forget it as both years had recorded crowds of over 110k at the track each day! I still have one of my two race bikes from that era stored in “my man cave”. 😊
Phillip Island international classic, always a good time of year.
Great to see Dave riding and informative as usual.
Its hard to let go of my Michelin tires but I mite give theses a try after seeing so much positive feedback from my other trackday buddies
I just did today after being loyal to power 5’s. Too many skips on fast turns and they take wayyyyy too long to break in.
How did the Q3’s suit you?
Pirelli ended the SC in 190/55/17. 200/60 won't fit my '14 SDR1290 swingarm.
Just ordered the Q4's, cheaper too. Thanks for what to expect and clear instruction.
Your information is ALWAYS ALWAYS appreciated. Thank you. 💯
Thanks for the kind words Dave!
I have been using the Q3+ love it ... very keen to try the Q4 as i do go to the track often.
Thank you for the interesting viewpoint, seems worthwhile getting a pair, wonder how they'll go on the rr.
We only have cold, then colder !
Reached a high of 78°f, you are all so lucky.
If you correct the geometry and reset suspension accordingly - very well.
@@catalystreactionsbw
The last dunlop I tried was the 212gp, a good tyre but I preferred the feel of the Diablo slick, but I'll see how I go with the Q4
Hopefully it's still dry enough to get out and play.
@@alanbrown5593 The Diablo is also a soft carcass so there will be a sense of familiarity when you ride the Q4.
Awesome information, I think I’ll give these a try
That’s what I’m getting next Q4. Right now I have the Q3plus
Great tire on the road.
Bad decisionmaking is a sign of dehydration, but it often seems like no big deal when it's happening and that makes it extremely dangerous. Street riding on a super hot L.A. day, getting very dehydrated but I'm still passing places where water could be found because I'm suddenly fussy about where to stop. It took mindlessly sailing through an intersection on a red light to finally SHUT IT DOWN.
I just put a Q4 on my 636. Excited to try it. I’ve heard it doesn’t heat up nearly as fast as a Q3.
Incorrect as the contact patch is slightly bigger = more friction = more heat.
Good morning Dave my question for you is if I have 110 upfront and a 150 in the rear is it ok go go up 1 size on both 120 front 160 rear for more traction and braking I'm210lbs on a 390
Lol, I was gonna say but Dave you haven't mentioned the fact the rear only lasts 2 days, and then he did at the very end and explained why and now I feel like an idiot, oh well time to get a new rear and try again.
I am going to master that and try for 4 days. It is going to take some work for sure but I will do my best!
@@catalystreactionsbw will be interested in seeing how it goes, I would be happy if I could get 3 days outta a rear on a 1000cc
Oh I like this! Is contact patch a new series? Dave could you do a video on the new Mtzeler M9RRs or M7RRs?
Contact Patch has been around for a very long time and it has its own playlist! Enjoy :) We will contact Metzeler to see if they would be willing to supply us with a set.
Dave Moss Tuning ah! Excited to know I have something else to pick up after suspension. Legend 🙏🏻
@@catalystreactionsbw Your opinion on their new no warmers slick would be intersting also: www.metzeler.com/en-us/products/tires/racetec-td-slick
@@SUSTAPLE117 Both the Q4 and Pirelli TD were tested with no warmers. I will not use warmers on any Hypersport tire test.
@@catalystreactionsbw A video on the Pirelli TD is coming then? Nice! I was actually talking about your opinion on the Metzeler Racetec TD Slick I linked which is marketed as not requiring warmers also. Thanks!
Hey Dave I noticed u test the pirelli td as well, which do u like better overall that or q4?
Q4 'warmed up" quicker so it felt more secure by the en of the first lap. TD took two laps. Both were soft carcass so the feel on track was the same.
Thanks Dave 👍
I have them on right now but I don’t like them as much as pirelli. Pretty vague on the feedback and not as sticky as the pirelli.
Hi Dave, I've been running fast intermediate/ low advance times on q3+. Was debating switching to q4s or making a jump straight to slicks. Thoughts and opinions? Much appreciated 🙏
Dunlop slicks can be reversed so you can get 4-7 track days out of them. Great for longevity and $$ ROI. If you ride the same tracks the same direction, any hypersport tire will not last anywhere near as long. BUT, if you ride street as well - therein lies the quandary unless you opt for a second set of wheels?
Bought a set of Q4's for my Ducati 1098s after so many reviews. To be honest I'm, not a fan. They really do need alot of heat to be useful on the street and don't provide positive feedback. Much bigger fan of Michelin pilot sports.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Can I ask what the ambient temperatures were on average? What cold pressures did you start with?
@@catalystreactionsbw 34psi front, 36psi rear, average ambient temp of 80-90 degrees and a surface temp around 100 with east coast humidity. I like that they are consistent at most speeds but you really need to push them when not on a track. When coming out of a garage the first few miles they feel like rock hard 10 year old tires where I can feel the back end starting to slide in mild corners at low/mild speed. Front and rear were installed together and have about 200 miles of road use. The Michelin pilot sports however come up to temp much faster and really come alive once warmed. Not a track tire but I feel more confident on them then the Q4's.
@@enigma02g do 32-30 front and 34-32 rear tire if that dont work go even a bit lower...all street race tires on higher pressures will slide a bit when cold....
@@robertortiz3345 I agree that the recommended pressures for a 1098 are higher then average, but every single piece of information for them says to never go that low. The Michelin pilot 2ct are all around better in my riding experience. I just feel the Q4's are over rated. I'll be switching away from them when next set comes due.
@@enigma02g The 2ct are better for beginners because it prevents cold temp accidents and slips firts 15 min of riding ....but for high power bikes once warmed up and at high limits the Q4s and other high performance tires will save you way more than the 2ct ...
Anyone run the pirelli’s v2 or v3 compared to the q4?
So, i know you have tested the Bridgestone Rs10 tires before. Which do u prefer for intermediate track day rider? Thnx
Given the latest hyperpsort offerings, as a rider that MUST have the front tire communicate with me, Pirelli Rosso 2, Bridgestone S22, Dunlop Q4 all give me that great feeling. The new Pirelli TD has the same feeling in the fornt as well. Not tested Michelin RS or Metzeler RR offerings yet.
why Q4s are not available in EU ?
I have a premium membership but I can't watch the premium videos. I login with my phone on the website but after following the links to the videos, at the top of the page in the blue header, it has a link to login. I've tried to watch the Q4 tire test but it's only the 8 minute preview version. I've run into this issue multiple times nows, how can I fix it?
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Dave what’s size tire u recommend for track and or street 190 or 200 ?
190, 200 is heavier and more gas guzzling
Does anybody know what the hot pressures are supposed to be for rosso corsa 2's? I've tried pirelli website but they only have that info for supercorsa's or slicks
Rosso II tend to like 29-32 rear and 34-37 front for the track.
On one of the reviews of RC2 (can't remember which site) says the Pirelli reps recommended 26/31 (Fr/Rr) for track use, 35/33 for canyon riders, and 36/35 for commuters.
34f / 33r hot are his final psi for a 600
....... for that track aggregate, that day with track temps over 140F at Fast A group pace with no traction control, stock forks and revalved shock. The extra details are critical. I will be trying different pressures and a different track surface to see what changes in the next 2 weeks.
@@catalystreactionsbw Hi Dave thanks for the info, I could only find cold tire recommendations from Dunlop. Were the hot recommendations only done by them for this specific track?
@@JordanDecarie25 I used cold pressures to start with and then modified hot pressures based on my ability and a track temp of 140F
Dave Moss Tuning so if you were in A group vs C group would you be lowering your pressure or raising
@@JordanDecarie25 with the Q4 I would be raising the pressure rear only.