Contact Patch: Pirelli Diablo Supercorsa TD Tire Test Intro
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- INTRO: full video here davemosstuning...
Pirelli has produced another track day tire, the Diablo TD (T for track, D for day... or maybe T for traction and D for duh). A decade ago they made a track day slick for a few years. Today the Diablo TD has sipes (tread pattern), so it's actually street legal, like a hypersport tire. Dave thrashed a set at Buttonwillow Raceway recently.
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So 29 in front and 27 on the rear are kinda the right pressure to run them on track, right?
Want to try the Supercorsa TD next once the Q4 wears out. Heard great things about them and some bad. The dunlop q4 burns quick. Seen some people get like an extra day out of the TD, but was told it lacks the feel like the Q4. I like the feedback from the Q4. Will have to try the TD, it'd be great on my wallet if I can get another day. Especially since I can get the TD cheaper.
Great tire !
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Ho Dave, I went from Pirelli Diablo Rosso 3 to Metzeler Roadtec01 SE and took the time to measure the distances aswell. The gap in the front is 1mm wider than before and 11mm wider in the rear. The Pirelli rear was worn out even. It's also noticable because the bike steers less "hesitant". What would you suggest to get it geometrically correct again?
Great video as always (watched all as a subscribed member). Dave, How this tire compares to the Metzeler Racetec RR (non slick) ? I'm curious since Pirelli owns Metzeler
This tire should be between RR K3 front/ rear and K1 front/ k2 rear, there is not such a tire by Metzler as the Supercorsa TD, which is between the non slick Supercorsas (SC) and the street Supercorsa (SP). Most compareable product by Metzler is the Racetec TD, which should be like the Supercorsa TD, just as a slick, instead of a profile tire.
One thing I have learned, is that a correctly set up bike with proper tyre pressures, and ridden smoothly by a competent rider gives you very clean video images. There's hardly any camera shake at all on these laps. Not like the amateur shakey footage I got on my R6 going as fast as I dared in the novice group at Brands Hatch!
Loved my pirreli Angel st tires best tires ever
Try the GT II as they are even better and I say that from personal experience.
@@catalystreactionsbw ya but how are they in the rain i live in Texas i have ran 70 mph in 1" to 2" standing water on Hwy and trucks i pass shooting waterfalls out of the fenders power blast to me and the bike not a wiggle like riding on dry road.
@@adamlong54 As the TD is designed for track use, that is a great question!
@@catalystreactionsbw i know if you dont pair the Angel st tires both front and back its very squirly on wet roads the front tire pushes the water creating channel for rear tire to make them both rock in wet weather. The Ducati dealre said " i dont know why i sell these tires once a person buys them i never see a tire sale to them again. They did a 24 hr Road test
The tires didn't have wear after that averaging speed of 125 mph i put over 3k miles on them personally and was like new tires still. took 500 miles to wear the Angels off the tires
Been waiting for your review on these tires. Been giving these a serious look as for my next set of tires! Currently using Bridgestone RS10's on my 07' ZX6R! So far I have 6 1/2 Trackdays on them. I wonder how many days these new Pirelli TD's would last for me. When I find out, ill let ya know with a updated comment! :)
How long did they end up lasting?
so basically this is a noob tire, somewhere in between pirelli sp and brigestone v02?
It is between the Supercorsa SP (Street) and the Supercorsa SC (Racing with profile)
The Q4 is by far the best gripping tire I have used, the thin hull of the dunlop, are sketchy for rally coursing/ "cannonballing" I was shocked to see how thin the Q4 gets! I thought I would try a set of power5 mich tires- the rear tire profile is nothing like the power cups- I have trouble with the rear slipping under accelerating out of a turn to a straight... Power5 don't cut it for rally riding- so far the evos are the best I've run,
Any recommendations on a meztler?
Hi dave on yamaha r6 track/road use what better tyre? Michelin pc2 or pirelli spv2
And if u got any other good tire
Q5, SPv2, PC2 all last the same amount of time, all have very similar carcass front and rear. I have no favorite as technology is very similar. I hasve had great success with S22 as an additional comment.
Are the Pirelli SC3 slicks the same as these tires? No tire warmers needed? Thanks. I have found them to be cheaper. Greatly appreciate your input.
SC3 needs warmers but if the climate is warm, they are not needed.
Hey Dave I have a question, If you have replaced a rear tyre with a larger diameter rear tyre (7.0mm bigger in diameter, 3.5mm in radius) and have feelings of uneasiness would you- A, raise rear ride height to get SA angle back or B, lower rear ride height to compensate for the difference or C, raise the front ride height? thanks
Will you be at Sonoma This weekend? I need my new R6 setup! Thanks!
I will be at VIR. Z2 contracts Catalyst Reaction for suspension.
slap a 180/70 on there, 110/65.. :-) welcome
supercorsas are my go to tyres in any variation they come out. SP V2, V3, SC medium rear soft front, BSB, first time i heard of TD though. i;ve prefered 29 front 26 rear on most days either track or street. i make about 2500km on a set or 2 td's
Hi Dave,
I normally use the SP V3 tire just for track days only. If I try these it seems I will have longer wear on them, but will I loose a bit of grip?? by the way riding on a Daytona 675 and never sure of what cold pressure to start with...
You will not hav any less grip. Use 28 rear and 30 front cold to start and see if you get a 4-5psi gain off track in the 3rd session of the day.
0:22 those are Power 2's on far right. How long ago was this?
0:17 around what psi would let tire bounce like that?
Dave what are those blisters on the front tire?
At 6.29? They look like balls of soft rubber off the track to me Sir
How about dunlop sportmax q3+?
I have run the Q3's and the Q4's. Great tires. I have not run these Pirelli's but P"s in general tend to have a little softer side wall while the Dunlop's are firmer. Its a different feel that comes down to personal choice. I ran Q4's in advanced group at Jennings and I really was not missing grip. They felt like a slick and seem to want to be run very hard and work best when you really get on them.
@@motorsavage3835 I'll try Q4 next season , i have now Q3+ and i love them so far.
@@Sanisani9 They are definitely great tires and are more track focused. Much better grip and turn better than the Q3's. I love the Q3's but they are more street than track.
Great stuff Dave 'Guru' Moss!! I have these tyres in SP on my 2014 RSV4 and have been trying out low 30s on the front and high 20s on the back. I am a 67kg rider. I do laugh at the factory 36/42 on these super sticky boots
Thank you! I appreciate you taking the time to find what works for you!
@@catalystreactionsbw No! Thank you Sir👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Dave Moss Tuning could you do a review on the Pirelli rosso diablo 3
@@warrencampbell6335 If Pirelli sees value in what we do, we might be able to do that or we will have to purchase the tires ourselves.
Your 36/42 is a factory recommendation that a 300 pound rider will be safe. Plus it gives the most tire lifetime.
Hey Dave, hope is well. Do you have to be a fast rider to use the supercorsa TD?
Getting better thank you! You do not need to be a track rider or fast on the streets. The TD and SP are very similar in design and grip levels.
How many street miles can you get with the TDs?
I am sure that subscribers can answer that question who use the TD on the road and track
What’s with the large dunny roll on the seat?
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What happened to your track ZX6R??
Hit a race bike that was down on the track. Nowhere to go but to hit it head on at a fair rate of speed.
How is the Rosso Corsa II's for the street/canyons on a ZX10R?
All modern hypersport tires are excellent on any bike provided you set geometry correctly.
@@catalystreactionsbw the new Diablo Rosso Corsa 2 worked fantastic on street or track days on my S1000RR ! Excellent feed back
Sir can you please give me the used tyre to send india
I am not in the tyre business. I cannot help you.
Looking to graduate from stock Bridgestone RS10r’s to Pirelli’s Superbike SC 1 or 2 on my 2019 Zx10r. Ride only on the track at the Budha International here in India. How can I go about getting some remote suspension set up keeping that in mind? Also, should I really be moving into the slicks or these Diablo TDs ?
Slicks will last longer as they can be rotated to get longer life. SC2 rear, Sc1 front. Measure the gap between the tire and mudguard, then remove the RS10's. Install the SC's and measure again to see what the gap is. That will show you what happened to your geometry via different measurements. Once you have this completed, we can start a Remote Tuning session.
Dave Moss Tuning just one quick question, I should’ve asked this earlier. Will these sizes be fit for the Zx10r - front 120/70/17 and rear 200/60/17
@@singhamrit79 Yes they will fit - assess geometry with the change
Dave Moss Tuning thank you Sir
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Did you ever do the long term test on these? Cheers, Andy
4 total days at the track in advanced and the rear was bald. The front still had possibly 2 days left.
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Awesome video
Hi Dave! What pressure do you recommend for supercorsa sp v2 for trackday intermediate group and aggressive road riding (daytona 675)!
Depends on track surface, temps and geometry. General starting point is 36 front and 32 rear HOT.
@@catalystreactionsbw and what about spirited road riding on twiesty roads?
@@nikos.kouts3 3-4psi more as speeds on the road are significantly slower and longevity is everyone's key criteria.
@@catalystreactionsbw αnd why on the road during agresive riding you dont get cold tear despite the high pressure on the tires?
@@nikos.kouts3 Slow speeds, and less stress on the tire.
What's that orange tool you have there to compare the tyre profiles?
I am sure Editor Dave Williams will reply where he sourced that tool.
Dave Williams, editor, replying here. The most generic name is contour gauge or profile gauge. Many brands to choose from.
@@catalystreactionsbw Gold, thanks for that.....was thinking it looked like a carpenters tool I've seen, just couldn't remember the name they used.
What's better the Q4's or the SP V3's?
SPV3 for longevity
@@catalystreactionsbw i actually got 5k out of my spv3's so thats what i will stick with, i really like them.
Damn, you guys are good.
We try and thank you!
My tires have never looked anything like that
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@@catalystreactionsbw i would, but my current bike is an odd wheel size so can't fit most the real nice tires
Tried these and they didn't last compared to the Dunlop Q3's
What tire pressure gauge are you using?
Stockton brand - had it for 4 years now.
Hi Dave! what is the difference between diablo supercorsa TD and supercorsa SP?
Diablo Supercorsa SP, limited sizes with good track performance but are more street orientated
Diablo Supercorsa TD, wide size range and more performance than the SPs but not to the level of the race tires
Diablo Supercorsa SC, widest range of sizes and compounds and the best DOT race tires in the market
@@catalystreactionsbw you are also sayng in the video that TD are more durable than SP .why that?
@@nikos.kouts3 Single compound so they are supposed to last longer
@@catalystreactionsbw do tds have harder compound? Thats why they last longer ? Or they last longer only if you use them on trackdays?
@@nikos.kouts3 Marketing data says harder compound.
Hey Dave i have a question for you: next mounth i will attend a track day and a buddy of mine has a brand new set of Bridgestone RS10 tyres for me but the load index of those tyres is 75W not 73W (BMW recomends 73w on my s1000r ).Will this difference harm the safety /performance of my tyres? my weight is 70kg. Thank you in advance!!!
Hi Cristian. The load rating at 73w is 805lbs total. 75w is 853lbs. That means the tire can take greater stress. You are going to a track so depending on your group and ability plus track temps and correct pressures with appropriate suspension settings the 75W offer more load support. RS10 is a great street tire and excellent for hot climates on the track.