MeatEater Podcast Episode 002: Kenton Carruth, Ryan Callaghan, Janis Putelis, Helen Cho
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- Ketchum, Idaho. After a day of flyfishing for cutthroat trout, Steven Rinella talks with Kenton Carruth and Ryan Callaghan from First Lite, along with Janis Putelis and Helen Cho from the MeatEater crew. Subjects discussed include: killer instincts; the suicide of Ernest Hemingway; catch-and-release vs. catch-and-eat; acquiring a strong sense of grrrrr; fish physiology; Danny Rinella's adipose nipple; an exotic Japanese way of dispatching fish; the conundrum of wanting to fish for threatened or endangered species; the mountain man Jim Bridger; and whether or not flyfishermen are total pansies.
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Originally Recorded August 2014
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Steven Rinella - MeatEater While listening, I heard something that caught my attention. While getting my bachelors in wildlife at South Dakota State, we did some research on adipose fins. I have always been under the impression that adipose means "fatty" not extra as you were saying. Traditional thought believed there was no purpose for that fin and that it may be vestigial, and clipping them to distinguish hatchery fish was common practice. However there is new research out there suggesting that the adipose fin may not be fatty at all and may be loaded with sensory tissue for detecting current shifts in the water. This research is very new but I thought you may be interested!
Keep the podcast up! Gives me something to listen to driving to work
Regarding the analogy of catch and release to wild hogs, the main difference is the differing cycles of the animals in terms of how densely they’re populating an area. With hogs, it’s ebb and flow where some days you don’t see one and others you need a helicopter to take em down as fast as possible, but their density is a function of available range and feed. With all migratory fish, including anadromous fish, their cycles are much more regular, even if less predictable. If you hit their spawn right, the river is thick with them. Same with salmon in Alaska. In that scenario, you’re gonna catch 40 plus fish regardless of method. Once that run is over, though, the fish are gone completely. This is what differs with fishing vs hog hunting. It’s the same with offshore pelagic fish. When we fish the New England canyons, once you find a concentration of fish, they’ll hit everything you’re trolling, but 90% of the fish occupy 10% of the water. This is why it’s not a function of the fishing method, but rather a function of their natural migration patterns. I don’t think wild hogs are like this.
Also, regarding catch and release, I think it’s a greater symptom of the disease that Steve so perfectly addresses in his show: the relationship between modern westerners and our food. Every “meat fisherman,” myself included, goes out fishing with the goal of harvesting meat for the table. However, we’ve all caught fish that are either not legal size or which are not a desirable species for food. When this happens we practice catch and release but treat those fish as well as a catch and release only angler. On the other hand, there are a lot more anglers out there who exclusively practice catch and release fishing. They are most analogous to the people who buy and eat meat from a supermarket but don’t hunt. The lack of scarcity has opened up the discipline of catch and release. To me it’s the same thing happening to cars vis a vis horses. When cars first became available, the horse was still seen as a mode of transportation. As cars were democratized, though, the horse became a leisure pursuit and not a mode of transport. Now that you can basically walk into any supermarket in the country and find a sushi counter and a fish counter with myriad species to choose from, it’s opened the ability of people to pursue fishing as a leisure pursuit and not a harvest of wildlife. There are many issues with the structure of the seafood industry and how far it is from sustainability, but it’s still fundamentally different than hunting, because when hunting, if you take a shot, you’re taking it to kill and that imbues an obligation to harvest and eat the meat. In fishing you can practice it with no intention of harvest. The other difference is that in hunting, you take a shot at an animal knowing the correct outcome is death. You also see exactly what you’re going to harvest. With fishing, you never know what’s on the end of that line. This opens up the ability to make a decision about whether to harvest or not, regardless of post release mortality rate.
Best fishing clip I ever seen was high wild and free where the old bush pilot catches a jackfish and smacks it on the head with needle nose pliers with a smoke in his mouth and tosses it in a pale,brings me back to fishing with my gramps when I was a young buck.
Strike indicators aka Bobber !!! Love it !!! 😂😂😂
Steven "Can I Just Tell A Quick Story?" Rinella
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Haha the sneezing picture lmao, thats a good name
I use fly Rods and Spinning Rods, I also catch & release also eat fish and smoke up.
I proclaim pitching a popping cork and shrimp under a mangrove overhang is far more difficult than a fly rod cast.
Woo hoo! Love everything you do Steve Rinella! Keep making them and we will download them :D
Keep up the great work Steve Rinella. Love listening to your podcasts on here and when your on Joe Rogans.
Nice! I was wondering how often these podcast would come out, was half expecting them to be monthly. Excited to have a listen, keep going with these podcasts, theyre excellent.
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On eating bass: I grew up eating largemouth bass and I think the taste just fine. I've fried them and I've also grilled them in foil on the grill with butter, lemon, salt and pepper.
I'm used to frying them like catfish lol I never knew that there was a negative stigma eating bass until I listened to this podcast
I love eating bass! I usually cut the fillets into fingers and fry crispy. It's every bit as good as snapper or grouper.
Hey Rinella, I dig the podcast. Keep it up.
It's a Sport and learning to get experience
Took it full circle!!! Great pod cast!
I love that you give the snooty fly fisherman crap. "It's a bobber!"
I absolutely hate having a spin fishermen not knowing what I'm talking about when I say strike indicator, and fly fishermen getting snooty when I can it a bobber. Personally I like calling it a strike indicator, because that exactly what it's doing (indicating fish strikes).
Largemouth bass is good if it comes from a clear cold lake and it's a smaller fish, like a pound. Smallmouth bass is amazing though, it's like a fresh water snapper, at least the ones I get out of the river are. It has a sweetness to it like something out of the ocean. I never get mad at a fish unless it wounds me real good. I lost a 50 inch muskie last fall, I batteled it got it on shore only to have it flop back in the water and brake my 10lb fire line and I'm happy just to of had it on my line. As far as catch-and-release mortality rates it depends on many factors, water temperatures, water depth, oxygen levels an angler's practices. I like to keep the ones that get hooked in a bad way like through the eye or in the gills or I'll keep just enough to eat even if its under the limit.
Andrew Lane was a great time with my family to go get out the morning love y’all ya boy love ya baby up iininibibnbu
Largemouth Bass are tasty when fillet and are mild flavor like Walleye.
Enjoyed the podcast! Keep up the great work!!
I couldn’t remember how she spelled ikejime so I searched “how to relax fish meat” and it came right up.
Bass is good eating, I always brine my fish saltwater before cooking but I usually fish out of the Mississippi.
Steven rinella a great hunter great host keep up the great work.. lot of respect 👍👍
Wonderful podcast! I hope you keep this up :-)
Great talk! Keep 'em comin!
awesome podcast should have started this years ago!
dude.. this was epic to listen to.
With largemouth, do the milk brine thing, or salt water brine, then coat in cornmeal and fry, like you would catfish
What I do. I didn't know that there was a negative stigma against bass meat
Great stuff! Keep these going man!
I would like to see Camouflage Apparel in more Oak leaves and Pine Cones
take those Newbs to FL and put them on some snook! hands down one of the best fish in the ocean. IMO and no need for "show notes" during the podcast i looked up whites loggers, shnee boots (expensive as hell) and King of the mountain clothes ($585 for a hooded wool jacket) I thought my badlands packs and solomon boots and UA hunt clothing was expensive, but its wal mart prices compared to this stuff!! HOWEVER First Lite has amazing prices even compared to under armor... so I think i may order some of the Merino wool stuff.. I have some wool thermals that are my go to thermals for cold hunts... So im excited to try some of this wool clothing..
Crazy, as someone who tries to primarily eat fish, and with low salmon populations. I mostly eat eat rainbow trout. Fly rod, spin. If I was allowed to toss in a small net and quickly get my limit of ten 8 inch plus sized trout and go home I would. I'm poor and work too much but man I love being out in nature spending my time waiting for that bite. Fishing is for sure tricking something into being your food.
Dude Callaghan sounds EXACTLY like jim carrey when he played Count Olaf. Like exactly. I dare you to tell me he doesnt.
My favorite bass recipe:
Filet fish and REMOVE LATERAL LINE (you should end up with 4 pieces of fish).Brush with melter butter.
Season to taste with salt and pepper
Slice lemon as THINLY as possible and place on top of fish.Put in a 400 degree oven until fish flakes easily
DO NOT OVER COOK.EnjoyYou can also use those 4 pieces to panfry filets.
Use taco seasoning mixed with the flower.Add a few slices of avocado and some mango salsa on a tortilla.
FISH TACOS!
Where I live mule deer are like pests raiding gardens and whities are in decline
You guys need to hit the Williamson in Chiloquin, Or or the Klamath Lake in Klamath falls, Or. 8 to 12 lbs trout all day on fly or spinner. The trout in the lake only taste good at certain times, but the williamson fish are great.
not even 15 seconds into the podcast and Steve drops a dad joke on us
great fishing story from 1992 !
I did land a 37.5 lbs chinook salmon " male " on a 6 lbs test line at the mouth of credit river Mississauga Ontario
It took me over an hour to land him & I was using quarter ounce blue glow in the dark Little Cleo casting spoon and Abu Garcia Cardinal C3 rigged with Trilene extra tough dark green line .
what a memory but I pissed off a lot of fishermen that day ; over an hour and they couldn't cast their line
He was huge with an awesome lower jaw curved up and his snout was stretched over curving downward
That was really entertaining
What is Steven Rinellas favorite hunting magazine?
Exhausted the fish after fighting them too long. It also depends on the Rod and fishing lines you're using it takes longer to land a fish, if the fish is ten pounds Steelhead using 4 or 6 lbs Monofliliment fishing line it takes longer to land. Compared to the 10lb fishing line, you would land the fish quicker.
Adipose refers to fat. I think you were meaning vestigial.
I thoroughly enjoyed that podcast. Thanks!
I call it a fly pole as a political statement...
sweet now Joe Rogan can come to you
Definitely not better than salt water!!! I'd like to add to what I believe Ryan Callaghan was saying. There are definitely specific locations here in Rhode Island that we, meaning I as well as the people I primarily fish with, will saltwater fish and not keep specific fish to eat based on the water in was caught in despite the size or species. There aren't many of those locations but we are spoiled here and you most definitely taste the difference from a black seabass from the Providence area compared to that clean crisp ocean seabass from Block Island.
I don't understand how people don't understand how to make a bass taste good?!? So much cleaner tasting than a catfish... Soak em in buttermilk and fry em crispy!
I thought adipose meant fat?
I am a Avid Fisherman. Catch and Release only. I dont like to eat fish (Dont like the taste) so You can say I dont go and eat fish after a day of fishing lol
Every used corn kernels or huggermites
Good podcast but it lacks only one thing.......Joe Rogan!
Nah bro it’s good with and without the rogue
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I was just talking about the mentality you have and the success of killing a deer a few days ago. When a deer comes in and its a 100% sure though "You're going to die" I always have great success even on difficult shots. Idk if its just an intense focus over the situations where its a questionable animal. There have been a good number of shots I have taken that seem to happen so fast that afterwards I questioned if I took enough time to take a good shot have always been excellent shots. Where it may be 1 second from shouldering the rifle or drawing the bow and the shot is off.
Only 15-ish percent mortality for catch and release angling? Maybe for a proficient person. An amateur is going to be way worse at it, and they'll have to accidentally kill way more fish before they get better.
LOVE IT!!! Check out Rabbit Ranger on Facebook, you might like it.
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@stevenrinella You have to stop cutting people off when they’re talking. I’m sure you get this a lot. But seriously, you ask somebody a question and as soon as they start talking you interrupt them with your own input. Specifically with the Latvian lover. Be a good host and just STFU lol.. It honestly makes me want to stop listening. Other than that, great podcast.