If this is the same transmission in the Ecodiesel I can attest to transmission fluid change interval. I changed my transmission oil at 150k miles because it was bothering me. I can tell you the fluid that came out looked exactly like the brand new fluid. I will warn you if you change the oil yourself the fluid is thiiiiiiiiiiin like water. I spilled a LOT of it on my concrete floor and the next day it was GONE and barely stained the concrete. Soooo I don't know what it is but it ain't like the old school stuff.
I changed my fluid for F150 at 135,000 and it was very dark and dirty. The manufacturer thinks the life of a vehicle is 100,000 miles. So if the trans is trash at 150,000 they don’t care. It is wise to change at 70,000 if you want to keep the thing going for longer.
Excellent overview and breakdown. I went with a Ram 2500 with the 6.4 about 4 months ago and I’m very pleased. I had two F250’s previously with the 6.0 and the 6.7. Both were super costly on the maintenance side and the emissions equipment failed at 120K miles on the 6.7. I like the simplicity of the 6.4 Hemi and it has done everything I’ve asked of it so far.
Just came home from a 760km round trip towing a 10,000 pound trailer up and down 9% and 11% through wildfire and mudslide closures. The roads are somewhat washed out and tight switch backs. Trust me, an inline 6 diesel dually with 4:10s and an excellent working exhaust brake is the way to go. Was the hottest place on the continent, worked her hard. Transmission temps never over 168, coolants highest seen was 211. Thoroughly impressed with my Ram 3500. Cummins HO, Aisin, 4:10. It kicked ass and possibly saved our skin.
I drove diesel pick ups for 26 years, 6 years with a Ford 7.3 Power Stroke and 20 years with a Cummins 5.9 24 Valve 6spd. They were great trucks and pulled well. Just recently bought a 2021 Ram 2500 with the 6.4 with 3.73 gears, yes the Cummins is a better engine for towing, but not that much better for the reasons you pointed out, I tow three trailers, a light single axle a dual axle for hauling equipment and an RV trailer which is 8000lb plus. The Hemi engine does a good job of towing 10,000lbs with trailer and toys on board. I'll not knock the diesel engine, but the 6.4 Hemi is up to most towing chores the average person will pull, love the 8spd transmission.. My Truck is rated at 14,681 lbs more than I will tow. Thanks again for the informative vids.
@@myront.miller6868 I drove it home from Kellogg Idaho, the largest Ram dealer in the US, they told me to drive it like I stole it and not use the cruise control or tow for the first 500 miles to learn the computer , they said it would break in with more power, who knows. I averaged about 15.5 mpg coming home. We live 19 miles West of Boise. My driving area is made up of square miles and not a lot of city driving, just to give you a frame of reference. Also I have a place 2 hours North of where we live. I towed my tractor with implements an ATV and a box load of items. I got 10.5 MPG. Driving empty I can already see 17 to 18 MPG hwy driving 65 to 70 mph, driving faster the mpg will be less, I have a lite foot. My diesel did not get much better towing, it did get 20mpg up and back from my place up North. The 6.4 is getting almost 18mpg, it only has about 1200 miles on it so far. With the emissions on the new diesels along with the Def fluid which has a short shelf life, many do not know this, the cost difference is not as much for the gasser. If the emissions were not so stringent on the diesel engine and the lack of Sulphur in the fuel and the Def I would have gone diesel . My tank is 31 gal, 8ft bed I believe is 32. I do not believe the new diesel engines will live as long as the pre def engines, so don't think they're the same. If you're going to tow loads in excess of 13000lbs regularly, then go with a diesel, if not the 6.4 should be fine. I have not looked into a bigger fuel supply at this time as it has not been an issue so far. Hope this helps and good luck with your choice
I been driving ram diesel trucks for 32 years. The 2 reasons my 3500 4x4 single rear wheel has a Cummins is first the exhaust brake second in that number 5 cylinder has on the hemi loses its cam and lifters between 100k to 140k .my dealership showed me 4 hemi engines that were in between the above stated miles. I pull between 6 k to 16k my 21 ram is 370 horse power and 850 torque with 373 gears. The factory 20 inch wheels wear 33.2 inch tires. When climbing the hills i just take it out of 6th gear witch is double over drive .the diesel burns about 98 percent cleaner than gas. I love my ram 🐏 trucks. Be safe out there.
I have had diesels since 96.. In 20 I switched to a Ford 7.3 gas. Extremely pleased, still pulls 15k and does it well. The only draw back is no diesel brake. Other than that...everything is less from maintenance, noise, and mostly cost. Good video.
I've heard great things about the 7.3. I am debating going to that, my only concern is I have a welding rig set up with the gear weight of around 1500#. I'm afraid it will just suck down the gas, where the diesel does great with the consent weight in there.
@@tubbyrigz9353 even if it sucks down a ton of gas you're still going to come out ahead by not having to pay 9 to 10 grand up front for a diesel. You're going to pay more per gallon for diesel and you're going to have Def and twice as expensive of oil changes. That was the reason I went gas instead of getting the Cummins on my Dodge because it really doesn't come out cost effective unless you're towing 15k pounds every day
@@toofastnobrakes no exhaust brake so make sure the trailer you are pulling has brakes....Everything mentioned above...save 10k on purchase, 60.00 oil changes vs 200.00, no def fluid and other additional filters that diesel makes you change out. If you do not pulling 10-15k twice a week all day long the gas is the way to go. So far I am pleased with my 7.3...over 30k miles not one issue.
Glad you pointed all this out because the hemi is pretty much a leaner engine over all. It may not have the max towing numbers, but most people don't need that, they only want it. You can get a hemi with 4.10 gears, put a diablosport tune on it, run 93 octane, and it will be enough. I would add intake and exhaust as well myself.
Great review. I recently traded my 19 Cummins for the 22 Hemi (with the 4;10 rear end), NO regrets. I only tow 2 or 3 times in a month but the Hemi pulls whatever I ask it to.
For someone who only tows a few times per year (boat, camper, car trailer), the diesel just doesn't make sense. Unless you are towing heavy construction trailers for work, or a big 5th wheel fulltime, then for most people the Hemi is enough truck. Fuel is cheaper, maintenance is cheaper, initial cost is cheaper. Looking at the pre-owned market for 4-5 year old trucks, the gas trucks are much more affordable than the diesel trucks. Those base tradesman wheels are ugly though, I'd probably put some aftermarket wheels on it ASAP. Too bad you can't put the wheels from the white truck on the gray truck.
love my 19 ram! it tows like a champ and has been very reliable. Looked at diesels for months and was on the forums, facebook groups and I saw lots of issues. glad I went gas
I got a 2016 2500 6.4 an I've pulled my 2014 chrysler 300 just fine on a trailer an my 99 dodge ram. Didn't struggle at all. Goes up hills an doesn't miss a beat.
What great timing for this video- I’m on the fence between the two engines- I have a 27 ft travel trailer that I pull with my 1500 and I wanted to step up to 2500 - I will probably go hemi now that I saw this video- I can get more tech in the truck with the hemi and the price is still below a basic 2500 with the Cummins
Watching your videos really helped me decide on my 2021 RAM 2500 6.4 with 4.10s max tow 17k. Have had it for about a month now and I love it! It pulls my dump trailer like its not even back there. Mileage I get about 8-9mpg towing and empty 10-11mpg. Love the 3100 lb payload as well.
@@ronpage101 been over a year now I avg 10mpg with a lot of towing about 4-5 days a week and mainly city driving. On the highway empty I have gotten 17+mpg
I recently traded my 2015 2500 6.4 Hemi 6 speed auto transmission with 73K miles for a 2021 3500 HO Cummins Aisen transmission. Both trucks are 4x4 crew cab short box Tradesman package. One of the biggest reasons for my move was the crazy amount the dealership gave me for the 2015 2500. I ended up getting in the new truck with trade in for under $30K. That alone was a good reason for me to trade in and up. Now comparing the 2 in performance...there is no comparison in my opinion. I spent the month of July out west with my 2500 Hemi camping and exploring 11 states and too many mountain ranges to remember. I was pulling a bumper pull camper at approximately 7K lbs loaded. My payload in my truck was right at 2K lbs. Both well under the max ratings. Honestly, the truck struggled going up grade and coming back down grade. It managed, but it was a chore. The constant shifting and engine revving to 6K rpm was annoying. I actually stopped at a Ram dealership in Vernal, Utah to have the truck looked at because of this issue. They gave it a clean bill of health and continued on my way. The entire trip I averaged 8.3mpg and would need to stop for fuel about every 150 miles to not get stranded somewhere. As many of you know, gas stations can be pretty spread out in that part of the country.I haven't pulled my camper with my new truck yet. Next trip is Labor Day weekend. I did however pull a 8K lb mini excavator on a 3.4K lb trailer for 180 miles for a friend. The truck didn't even know load was behind it and I averaged 16.7 mpg while doing so. As a side note, the exhaust brake is awesome!!! So...is the 6.4 a nice truck. Absolutely but with real world limits. If you are looking at both the gas Ram and diesel Ram, get the diesel if you can afford it. It is well worth the extra money in my opinion.
Plus, I think you will always get the premium you paid for the diesel back at trade in time. Maybe the gassers will do better than they have in the past on resale, as more people that are willing to forgo diesels due to many of the reasons discussed here.
@HalfShell understood and that might possibly help the 6.4 perform better. Again, I loved my 6.4 90% of the time. My new 3500 Cummins I love 100% of the time...so far.
Just having this discussion with my wife regarding our next tow vehicle purchase. We rented from Enterprise a 2500 Cummins with 3.73 to tow our 25ft 5k lb travel trailer from Indianapolis to The Florida Keys. Loved the way it handled and according to the trip computer, averaged 13.3 mpg for the trip down. This includes some decent idling time due to 2 backups for accidents. I know the diesel is overkill for such a small trailer, but I was impressed by the mpg and handling.
I drive a 2500 with a hemi and I love it, tow a 7500 lbs trailer on flat and over hills, the truck does great, just wish I had the air suspension for a nicer ride on Pennsylvania’s crappy roads
@@paflyer1370 drove from Detroit to Orlando, FL about a month ago. That stopping for gas every 250 sucked. This was our first year towing anything. There needs to be a larger capacity tank offering for gassers like they have for the diesels.
I had 3 Cummins a 06, 12, 16 i always wanted a powerwagon i ended up buying a 19 powerwagon and absolutely love this truck the 6.4 hemi with 8 speed trans is a great setup
I’m starting to see a lot of large landscaping companies buying new gas trucks. Think about the savings if you buy 20-40 trucks and can save around $9,000 per truck. Then the savings on employee failures to fill the def tanks correctly and if doing a lot of idling, no more worries about DPF issues.
The biggest problems is the reliability with all of the emission systems. Roughly 90% of a problem that will occur on a diesel vehicle will be the emissions.
Your presentation is over the top. Detailed and informative. I have been on the fence between the 1500 vs 2500. Agree with the Hemi. Friends who have the diesels all had issues. Retired my use is primarily for camping and hunting trips. Towing an rv trailer or for hunts an enclosed utility trailer. I like that the 3/4 ton truck can serve me better than the 1500 it’s superior components and capacity. Hate going on extended hunting trips full of gear and a vehicle lacking in performance.
I've towed with both and I'll never be without an exhaust brake again. My diesel is for sure more expensive to fix, but the pulling power and stopping power are worth it for me.
Meh,… . I agree about the power but comes down to how often you use that power. I’ve owned a 6.4 Hemi since 2016 but bought my Cummins over a year ago. Love my Cummins but I do miss my Hemi, and if I get one more issue with my truck I’m going back to gas. I pull a TT (7-8k) . And my Hemi would yank that trailer around/ up hill with no issues. I just miss the simplicity of the gas engines.
@@JeffBrauss my 5.7 and 6.4 had no problem pulling. In the mountains out here, I need that exhaust brake. Already burnt up brakes once, won't do it again.
@@oldnumber6 I hear ya about the exhaust brake. I pulled my camper in the Canadian Rockies with my gas truck and some of those grades felt straight down ( over 8%), and I had to keep feathering between trailer brakes and truck brakes.
I have a 2020 Power Wagon that I purchased just about a year ago. Love the truck. Didn’t think we’d be getting a travel trailer. Tows it well and the added airbags definitely brings it back to level with the soft springs in the back, which helps a ton. The issue I have is the lack of a large capacity tank option. A few different companies make one for the crew cab and mega cab with the Cummins but nothing out there for the HEMI. Stopping every 250 miles for gas sucks! I do wonder if the stock/upgraded 50 gallon tank that you can choose as an option for the 8ft beds would actually work in the crew or mega cabs. We tow distance more so than often. Our trips are typically over 300 miles within the state of Michigan. And outside of Michigan to Florida and next year we are traveling WEST! All of the above is the main reason we are looking to upgrade to a 3500 (no more payload worries with our family of 5 plus the pup). Haven’t quite decided on which engine. I wish they would come out with a suitable replacement for the gas tank. If there is one, I’d get the Hemi in a heartbeat.
I'll be curious to see if you change your mind when you see your MPGs pulling your camper. A buddy of mine has a Power Wagon and pulls a toy hauler, it gets 3 MPG while I get 9 MPG with my Cummins.
Uhm your points are valid and it might not make sense for many people that have diesels to buy them but I just love my Ram 3500 diesel with the Cummins. Also, I think the Cummins versions will hold its value at resale time at least that has been the case. The superior torque and pulling power, more fuel efficient, and resale make the Cummins my preference even if it doesn't quite pencil out over the Hemi.
Transmission fluid will never last as long as the transmission the goal is to keep the old fluid in causing the transmission to go out early most manufacturers are doing that now so customers have to replace main powertrain items after the warranty is up.
I have a 2019 2500 Big Horn crew cab. It has the Hemi and 4.10. Max towing is 19k. Love the truck and the $9,000 savings. Gas mileage around town sucks but highway is not bad and it pulls my 7,000 lb camper like it is not there. And the huge 3,400 lb payload is great too, no worries when I decide to move up to a 5th wheel.
How often do you have to stop and refuel while pulling? Have you found a larger tank option anywhere for the gasser. There's a few offerings for larger tanks for the diesels.
@@myront.miller6868 all of my trips so far have been within one tank, so has not been an issue. That gets me around 270 miles before the needle makes me feel anxious. And there are no options that I have found for add on tanks, the tanks on gas are part of the emissions system, unlike diesel so no one wants to deal with it. I am surprised Ram does offer a second tank to be honest, would be a huge help.
@@myront.miller6868 good question, I’ve looked around for a bigger gas tank as well. Seems like they are only available for diesel. If a came across a bigger gas tank option I would definitely get it. I recently took delivery of my 2022 Ram 2500 mega (4.10 gear) love the truck MPG sucks.
Yes, the payload is higher on that HEMI. but the tow capacity of the Cummins is much higher than the Hemi. Payload is how much you can carry on/in the truck, that is not the same as towing. If you are in construction, landscaping & use you bed for material & supplies - you would absolutely want to consider the Hemi over the Cummins. But if you are towing heavy loads - the Cummins is what you want. You cannot compare the Payload of these 2 specific trucks, it is an apples to oranges comparison. This Cummins is a Laramie, which has leather seats (heavier than cloth), it has RAM BOX (way heavier than a standard bed), it has a full-center console (added weight). There is only a 500 lbs difference between the Hemi & Cummins. If you want an accurate comparison, use the same trim packages (Tradesman, Big Horn, Laramie, etc.)
Diesel all day if you can't afford a diesel life get a Hemi. I love the way my Cummins 3500 performs when it's climbing a 8% grade pulling 12,000 lb travel trailer toy hauler off the bumper with my family and payload. Also going down the grade also controllable.
I’m a diesel guy, and I was a Mercedes Benz mechanic tell my back injury, but I worked on diesel cars and I was sold on them from the start. I’ve owned gas and diesel trucks but always love the diesels more, as far as noise the new ones are way more quiet my new Cummins is just the right amount of sound and turbo. My 03 7.3 power stroke was insanely loud. Just saying
I have a 2021 ram 2500 with a 6.4 L Hemi. But i have a 3.73 gears instead of the 4.10. I have the 8 speed transmission. Chrome package, chrome running boards. Got it for $40k out the door. Got it from Fullerton Auto Dealer in NJ. 💪
I have 21 model with the hemi 4x4 with the 3.73 and I have been pleasantly surprised with the fuel economy not towing. If I have a tank with almost all city driving and short trips I will get 11-12 mpg, if I drive about 50/50 city highway I get 14.5-16.5 depending on how fast and heavy footed I am. I do have a tonneau cover which may make a difference I'm told. If you just sit in place idling for long periods at 15-20 minute drive thru lines that seems to effect it quite a bit so I try not to idle much
@@mikenelson983 lmao right my 2016 2500 6.0 gets 12mpg doesn’t matter if it’s city or highway driving 12mpg no matter what and when I pull my 12k pound trailer it only drops to 10
The ZF 8 speeds are some of the best and most reliable transmissions on the market. No question about it. Here’s the interesting part about it. Ram says the fluid is lifetime. But ZF, who designed it, recommends changing around 80-100k miles. Has caused a never ending debate in the forums
ZF says 80-100k for normal use. I say it about all the transmission(Ford, GM, Ram) is if you are working the truck change the tranny fluid. Especially if you are pulling heavy(over 15k) routinely. Lifetime fluid is a marketing scheme, what denotes lifetime? 30k heavy tow? 50k moderate tow? 100k now towing?
@@thecheekof as a owner operator of a highway truck running 140k gross every load, preventative maintenance is the key to expected life of components. Expected life is based on usage(actually fuel economy) and the intervals are getting ridiculous. I saw the new Cummins X15 has a oil change interval of 120,000km (more than 7 MPG average) bloody insane. I haul heavy(get 6.2mpg average) and I don't care that oil is changed every 30k miles(50,000km) regardless of time. Works out for me well no major issues in 850,000km. I know guys that are over 2.5 million km on the original block and rotating assemblies. Followed the same service schedule. As for the transmission issues with Ford's10R140, the owners manual clearly states at 30k miles for the severe service schedule, the transmission fluid should be changed. As long as it changed before its due, it should be fine. Same applies to GM 10L1000 and Ram's Aisin. These are tools and of they are worked they should be maintained as tools
@@yousad6742 last I heard it was in D status back on Jan. 31st. I haven’t bothered my dealer about it. I figure it gets here when it gets here. I still have my 1500 anyway.
@@jsboening after I heard mine was in d it took about 3-4 weeks. I live in Buffalo and I heard that they sit there till they can load the trailer enough. The drivers get payed more if they load Up light small cars cause they can haul more smaller Vehicles then big trucks.
It’s a shame but the only reason I’d pick the Cummins over the hemi is strictly because of the sound, torque and reputation. Ironically, the hemi has awesome sound, okay torque and strong rep too. So for me to save $9k upfront and thousands of dollars in maintenance over the life of the truck just to have less torque and enjoy the (now pathetically quiet) Diesel engine sound - I think I can handle that.
I’ve been considering 2500 hemi vs Cummins to tow our new travel trailer with gvwr of 7700lbs bumper pull. This videos has helped push me towards the hemi which I have in my 1500, I’ve been leaning to the hemi as we live near town and only plan to camp a dozen times in the summertime. Thanks JB for the great comparison
I have a 35tf bumper pull travel trailer and 22ft bbq trailer and my 2500 mega cab 6.4 himi pulled like shit high rpms and lots of gas. Traded for a 2022 2500 cummins and. It pulls them great no problems at all
I just ordered pretty much that same exact hemi tradesman but black. I got a 2022 6.4 with 8 speed trans and 4:10 gears and anti spin. It got built SUPER quick. Like 2 months total from the day I walked in dealership to it arriving. I dont tow anything, but I use my bed to haul stuff ALL the time. So I'm excited for my new truck 🔥🔥🔥
I own both. The cummins is miles better if towing any weight at all. The hemi is better for daily driving. But long trips (even without towing) I pick the cummins.
Wanted a diesel, but dam ! All about your budget and actual use. Im happy with my 6.4 2023 tradesman . I had a 2002 ram 1500.siingle cab that i drove for 20 years. Damn good truck
The gasser transmission are a sealed transmission and the Rams owner manual says lifetime transmission. No oil change needed. But if you go to the manufacturer of the transmission it tells you to change the oil every 60K miles. I just changed my 2017 Ram gasser at 60K miles. When you change the oil you also have to replace the filter. Final price for everything was like 850.00. The mechanic told me the old oil was black, nasty and broken down for sure. In my opinion still cheaper than owning a Diesel.
My wife’s explorer said the same thing about the transmission, no service required. At 50,000 miles I had my mechanic change it. They had to suck the oil out because it has no bolt on pan or drain plug. They said the same thing, the oil was definitely done. They changed it and drove it 20 miles then changed it again because it was so dirty. I guarantee that transmission will last longer if serviced. They just want to make money off replacing transmissions when they fail.
@@TermiteBenny yep or they want you to buy a new truck. I’m guessing for the average consumer they would get 10 years out of it before it failed. I already have 71K miles on that truck in 4 years.
60k miles on factory atf you can get, highway driving. Approaching 60k miles fluid is already becoming dirty and starting to wear out transmission parts. After 60k miles atf fluid becomes completely garbage and outside specifications for atf fluid. Fluid is cheap vs transmission repairs. However, dealers prefer transmission replacement because they will make more money than doing fluid change.
I have an 2019 RAM 2500 Gas 6.4l up here in New Mexico high elevation. I love it I tow about 8500lbs trailer and she pulls it easily. However, she is a thirsty gal. Babying it I get about 11.5-13mpg city maybe 14-15mpg highway non towing, but I wouldn't drive anything else.
I recently got a 2019 Ram 3500 mega cab Hemi. I wanted the gasser for all the reasons mentioned here and because my daily driving is 10 min to work and around town. For the limited towing I’ll do, getting a 5th wheel camper, it didn’t make sense (cents) to go with the diesel, for now. If I find that my towing increases and justifies the change then we’ll see then. Oddly enough I spec’d out a Ram the way I wanted, Hemi 3500 Mega cab, Laramie (with active cruise), 5th wheel prep, rear air susp, 4:10 gear. I found a used one with 20k not far at a dealer and got a steal on it and good $ for my F-150. Only thing it didn’t have that I wanted was anti spin rear diff. I’m very happy so far. JB if you want to review it on you channel I’m willing👍🏻
Thank you for another great video. I agree with all your points, but I'm still drawn to diesel for several reasons. With no experience towing a big trailer I would feel more comfortable refueling with the big rigs at truck stops. Having the diesel power for going up mountain passes, and exhaust braking for going down would be nice. Hopefully, I can figure out how to get past these issues. Thank you again!
I like your impartial comparisons. Recently a coworker had a wreck and had to rent a truck. It was a Ram 1500 Classic. I did not know these were still available. It would be nice to see pros and cons between new 1500 and 1500 Classic.
Another excellent breakdown on the differences, pros and cons to each. Great review JB, I appreciate the subjective/objective approach when considering how I might use the truck when I go to pick one up. Keep the videos coming!
I have a car for commuting, and truck is only to tow. Diesels do not have a throttle, so no need to shut off air. Right now for mixed use gas is the way to go. Towing still wins. 9,000 pays for a lot of fuel.
For the axles you compared a 6.4 4x2 reg cab without a box to a Cummins 4x4 crew cab 8’ box… if you compared the 6.4 in the same truck which is show directly above the Cummins they’re the same..should do a full comparison between two identically spec’d trucks with different drivetrains to be accurate
Good video! Only downsides to the Hemi are longer term, the exhaust leaks from broken manifold studs are so common. Most fail and develop leaks under war the first time but after that it’s on your dime,figure every 3 years/40 k miles you’ll be dropping 800-1500 for repairs. The next issue is more serious it’s the camshaft and lifter issues that plague the Hemi engines. This is more of a problem with work trucks because of the excessive idling,but all hemis experience it at some point . It’s a big expensive issue that often costs you an engine.This is just my opinion but I think your far better off to go GM or Ford for gas engines , ESP the new 7.3 Ford,and even the 6.2 has been stone reliable,far more than the 6.4 Hemi.
sorry, I disagree with ya, I have a hemi, already replaced cam and lifters at 130k. Cummings will outlast by a long shot, way better on towing and better mpg. I tow heavy, wish I had got the Cummings.
Great video brother. ,love how you ended with that devil’s advocate I’ll tell you why I’d choose a Cummins over the hemi. I love the non bias honesty of this channel. No fanboy shit. Just pure information and great entertainment. Well, at least my .02
Thanks brother, since I’ve been towing with most of these trucks, I’ve come to realize that the gas engines have enough power to pull for most people which is why I made this video. Really appreciate your feedback 👍🏾
It simply comes down to your needs in a truck. The majority of people that buy trucks don't know anything about them. Despite what they are rated for, the 6.4 is a total pig with anything over 10k pounds. There's absolutely no way I could imagine hooking a 15k travel trailer to a 6.4 and driving across country. That would be miserable! I've had both and both have their merits. For me, I've got a tree biz and the Cummins is a far superior option.
I have an 017 3500 with 392. I asked myself, what am I going to do with truck? Wasn’t going to be hauling over the road. I do some car hauling, but moderately light. Hemi has more than enough power. You didn’t mention also insurance will be higher on diesel.
Definitely true, me and the wife are discussing this very thing. Due to the cost difference. I can just put some bolt on performance parts to make it nice. Cold air intake, throttle body, MAF sensor, exhaust, and brakes etc. Perhaps a set of performance brakes and a level kit. All less then 10k for the cummins.
@HalfShell Yes, I'm digging the 7.3 Tremor as well. It's a great package to start with. 7.3, 4.30 ⚙ and w inch lift. Locker rear and posi front axle is good.
The Cummins diesel weighs a lot more than the Hemi engine. But the trade off is in torque. Also, you have to work a diesel. If you don't and just drive to the store and back they will become coked up and you'll have issues with them..Bottom line, how do you want to use the truck? If it was me and I was going to do a lot of work and towing with the truck, I'd still go with the Cummins. If it was going to be mainly a driver with only occasional heavy duty use, I'd go Hemi.
I don't tow much but i do take my family and friends along very often. That's why i went with the gas engine. I needed something spacious and comfortable and safe for the long road and long trips. So "Pay Load" is what it's about for me. 5 adults is 1000 lbs. Add a full tank of gas and we are at around 1300 lbs. Now add 2 e-bikes at 65 lbs each and we are at 1420 lbs. Now add the camping gear, food and luggage and we are at 1500 lbs. ~ In my opinion, If you want safety, you want your truck to be able to respond well to your commands and inputs in or during moments of emergency. You can't load a truck above half the overall pay load capacity and expect it to behave as if it were empty. It will not be as nimble or agile.You can say you will drive slower and stuff like that, but you don't decide how fast other things are going or coming at you. Understand that the more load you have the less you can predict a "good" (in the blink of an eye) maneuver. The less you are loaded the more you can predict good outcomes to quick, sudden maneuvers. ~ I never expect the drive to be safe and uneventful. But everyone expects me to get them home that way. ~ True story: Coming back from my chalet the other day, I was driving alone in my truck. I'm in the far left lane of a 3 lane highway doing 115 kph. Semi next to me on my right (the middle lane) looses the left from wheel just as i come up on his cab! The cab nose went strait down and the front bumper disappear under it. The left front wheel jumped out 10 feet ahead in a second and was on the dividing line of our lanes,.. i had guard rail to my immediate left and was about to be boxed in. In the blink of an eye i thought: That wheel is gonna be directly in front of me in a moment and i'm gonna be boxed in between the semi and the guard rail and the cars behind me. That wheel could go hard left and hit the guard rail and then me. The wheel might go right and away from me , but into the 2 other lanes to my right and cause and accident there. (My dad use to say that,) " when something happens on the road, you either want to be way behind it, or , for it to be way behind you ". In this case i wasn't way behind it, so i just had to punch it and get way ahead of it. ~ Thankfully i was alone and the truck had nothing in it and when i put that peddle down flat,.. the 8 speed shifted in a blink and the truck lunged out of that pocket with a huge snarl right away. ~ As i looked behind me, the wheel had entered my lane and hit the rail and was riding it as fast as cars were driving. And it kept going...so i kept the peddle down for a bit until it was all "way behind me". ~ I was glad that my truck wasn't waited down like most times on this occasion. Not sure it would have cleared out as fast if it had been.
I agree. I have a bumper pull TT that only weighs about 3500 pounds empty. Had a 1500 pickup and just didn’t like the way it responded while driving. It could handle it but I didn’t feel safe pilling in 3 kids and the wife into a rig I wasn’t 💯 confident in. That’s why I bought my ram 2500 hemi. It’s worlds different in feel and confidence. Do I need it, not really, but at the end of the day it’s about having confidence in your rig. I see guys bragging about how much they tow with their half ton trucks and wear it like a badge. I don’t get it...
@@carlnewby5963 Know exactly what you mean. A buddy of mine got a new Ram 1500 crew cab to take his family and camper on long trips. But he didn't understand the payload capacity. He though he could tow a 10k pound trailer and take his family as well because the truck was advertised to tow 12k pounds. He didn't realize that this info was for the single cab single axle model. His camper's tongue weight was around 15% (1500 lbs). His max payload was around 1300 lbs. So he was already 200 pounds over max payload before he added himself, his family and gas... He was stopped on the highway and fined for being over max payload. He got a 2500 right after. ~ If i had to add anything else to my 1500 like even a small trailer, i would switch to a 2500 too....and then i would go for the MegaCab with the 6.4 Hemi. ~ If i could just justify a trailer now, i could then justify the MegaCab to my wife LOL! maybe one day!
Currently have a 2021 Ram 1500 CC Built to serve edition but have been thinking about getting a 2500 cummins. At this point it’s more of a want than need because I tow once every couple of years when i move duty stations.
Our dealership has about a dozen 6.4 2500 and 3500's and only one diesel, also is the fifth wheel prep package a dealer installed or only factory installed
The simple fact is that the manufacturers ratings seem to be completely arbitrary and even meaningless when it comes to how they rate the towing capacities of their trucks, at least where Ram trucks are concerned. I don't know about the other manufacturers ratings, because I haven't researched them. But I have been researching the difference between Ram 2500 Cummins vs Hemi for days, and have not been able to make any sense of how they rate the different trucks. And it is as if nobody seems to notice how crazy it is. There is simply no doubt that the Cummins will pull more than the Hemi... It has way more torque, and will get much better MPG pulling heavy loads. You are correct though when you go by the manufacturers ratings. They do rate the Hemi to not only have a higher max payload, but also to have a hi8gher max towing capacity, yet on the other side of that equation they turn around and rate the Cummings to have a significantly higher GCWR... Read that again. Despite the fact that the Hemi is rated by the manufacturer to have a higher payload capacity and a higher tow rating, the Cummins is rated to have a significantly higher Gross Combined Weight Rating, which is the weight of both the tow vehicle and the tow vehicle combined. It literally makes no sense... It is completely mindless. The ratings are a complete contradiction of themselves.
Great breakdown comparison, have been looking to upgrade from my f 150 choosing not to go f 250 mostly because of the cab dimensions. ( ie, they are identical)
One thing that diesel lovers tend to either ignore or not know about at all: If you don't have a CDL, you don't need 1,000 lb-ft of torque and before you gas bashers get to typing let me explain something. Federally, so that means ANYWHERE in the United States of America, regardless of "in my state" arguments, you cannot exceed the magic 26,001/26,000 lbs. That means in both scale-weight combined (actual) weight of the truck and trailer, and also in the published and legal GVWR of the truck and trailer combined (potential). The only common legal exemption to this law is true farm use. So this means that unless you have a class A, you cant realistically tow more than a 16k GVWR trailer with your 10k GVWR 3/4 truck. This problem is amplified once you get to 14k gvwr duallies. Even if you are running with the trailer unloaded. The only exceptions to not needing diesel torque are people towing near that 16k trailer weight most of the instances they tow, or people with extremely high drag trailers/loads. GVW laws are the most factual and objective things in the pickup world that are somehow the most overlooked. With all that being said, pay close attention to how I worded things. I said "need" meaning you don't need it, but BY ALL MEANS, BUY ONE IF YOU WANT ONE. Currently, I think Ford offers a genuine competitor to a large portion of what is the diesel market. Not a direct competitor to the diesel performance, but what most diesel owners use their trucks for. That 7.3 with a 10 speed is in its own league compared to even chevy's new 6.6 gas or rams 6.4 hemi. The 7.3 has higher performance specs, but more importantly a 10 speed. If you look not far in the past, the heavy duty diesel pickup market and owners operated with torque specs very similar to what modern HD gas engines are at and with less gears. When you factor in that you can mod these gas engines with parts and tuning to reach 500+ lb-ft of torque, approaching big rig numbers of speeds/gears, gas is looking pretty good again. Aside from that, there are the typically pointed out things like upfront cost, maintenance cost, and repair/parts costs. When I think of a truck, I think of vehicles like my grandad's old 1 ton that was used and abused and always worked. You can't get that with a modern diesel. They have to be babied and closely monitored and maintained in order not to deteriorate fast. Even when you do a good job at that, sometimes emissions systems in the 12 feet of government regulated exhaust decide to take a dump and grenade the engine. There is also stuff like payload decreases of over 1,000 lbs due to the diesel weight, which is a lot when you think that most 2500 trucks sit around a 10k gvwr and after fuel and passengers, you are left with less than 2k lbs of payload. A ton of people with diesel 3/4 tons don't realize that their 1000 lb-ft torque pickup that they pretend is a big rig actually has less payload than a half ton when you calculate it out and see laughable numbers like 600-1000 lbs of payload which ties directly into towing capacity since you need tongue weight.
the axles on those pickup trucks can barely handle the baseline diesels, let alone that ridiculous 1,000 lb-ft engine. There's no way in hell the torque limiter isn't choking the shit out of that Cummins.
I just might have a truck for you to review. I just purchased it a week ago. It's a 2021 RAM 3500, regular cab, 8' bed, 4x4, 6.4 liter gasser, factory 5th wheel and gooseneck package, tradesman package with vinyl floor and cloth interior, and some other options. Reach out to me if you want to check it out. It's kind of a rare truck since I've never seen one before like the one that I now own.
Price and payload are the 2 main reasons, for me. With a 2500 diesel you are limited to 1900-2100 lbs of payload. You'll run out of payload LONG before you ever hit the towing capacity with the diesel. My 2500 6.4 has 3047 lbs of payload. Good enough for a small/medium sized 5th wheel with a pin weight up to 2400 lbs. And saving $10,000 by not getting a diesel is a lot of fuel in my tank. Also not wearing out my tires as fast by having another 1000 lbs on the truck unloaded.
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and theres only 3 better things about the cummins. 1. cummins last much longer 2. even with the 4.10 axle the cummins tows better. 3. cummins has a column shifter but thatnk you. in my mind, i think i'd go with the hemi. you do got a point here.
I have a 07 ram 1500 laramie mega cab 4x4 with a 5.7 hemi with 131k on it. Got it for $16k last month I get 10.0 mpg average. I'm told I could have gotten a 2500 or 3500 same set up in a cummins for not much more, and would have more power, torque, payload both tow and haul and mpg. And if deleted it even gets more of all three and is more reliable and dependable
I feel sorry for anyone who buys the gas instead of the diesel. Wanna know why all but one truck is a Cummins? Because the only reason to buy a ram HD is for the Cummins.
@@JB_WhoWork Oil Change and fuel filter maintenance on a Cummins are considerably higher cost than servicing a gasoline engine. Even if you perform two Hemi services for every one Cummins service. Personally, I'd never push a Cummins to 15k miles like the manual suggests...but even following the manufacturer guidelines, the maintenance costs are significantly higher.
Mds sucks, look into hemi tick. I definitely wouldn’t consider the hemi worthy of the Heavy duty title. Just saying that there is a reason the cummins is a 10k upgrade
If this is the same transmission in the Ecodiesel I can attest to transmission fluid change interval. I changed my transmission oil at 150k miles because it was bothering me. I can tell you the fluid that came out looked exactly like the brand new fluid.
I will warn you if you change the oil yourself the fluid is thiiiiiiiiiiin like water. I spilled a LOT of it on my concrete floor and the next day it was GONE and barely stained the concrete. Soooo I don't know what it is but it ain't like the old school stuff.
Thanks for sharing 👍🏾
Interesting. It's definitely something synthetic.
It’s a different trani but they are similar
I changed my fluid for F150 at 135,000 and it was very dark and dirty. The manufacturer thinks the life of a vehicle is 100,000 miles. So if the trans is trash at 150,000 they don’t care. It is wise to change at 70,000 if you want to keep the thing going for longer.
Yeah, I hear ya. Change mine every 50K after the first 100K. It might be a little darker.
Owning an HD with a diesel is like owning a house with a pool. It’s expensive & often unnecessary but once you have one, it’s hard to go back.
Never owned a diesel but I assume having a Cummins in my new 2500 would be similar to having a pool at my house 😂😂😂
Didn't like cleaning my pool lol
Excellent overview and breakdown. I went with a Ram 2500 with the 6.4 about 4 months ago and I’m very pleased. I had two F250’s previously with the 6.0 and the 6.7. Both were super costly on the maintenance side and the emissions equipment failed at 120K miles on the 6.7. I like the simplicity of the 6.4 Hemi and it has done everything I’ve asked of it so far.
Thank You!
Just came home from a 760km round trip towing a 10,000 pound trailer up and down 9% and 11% through wildfire and mudslide closures. The roads are somewhat washed out and tight switch backs. Trust me, an inline 6 diesel dually with 4:10s and an excellent working exhaust brake is the way to go. Was the hottest place on the continent, worked her hard. Transmission temps never over 168, coolants highest seen was 211. Thoroughly impressed with my Ram 3500. Cummins HO, Aisin, 4:10. It kicked ass and possibly saved our skin.
So you're impressed by the parts that have nothing to do with dodge.
Lmfao!!!
The 2500 comes with a dodge transmission and it's garbage
@@freeaudiobooks7469wrong..
I drove diesel pick ups for 26 years, 6 years with a Ford 7.3 Power Stroke and 20 years with a Cummins 5.9 24 Valve 6spd. They were great trucks and pulled well. Just recently bought a 2021 Ram 2500 with the 6.4 with 3.73 gears, yes the Cummins is a better engine for towing, but not that much better for the reasons you pointed out, I tow three trailers, a light single axle a dual axle for hauling equipment and an RV trailer which is 8000lb plus. The Hemi engine does a good job of towing 10,000lbs with trailer and toys on board. I'll not knock the diesel engine, but the 6.4 Hemi is up to most towing chores the average person will pull, love the 8spd transmission.. My Truck is rated at 14,681 lbs more than I will tow. Thanks again for the informative vids.
Amen
@JAT Thanks 🙏🏾
How often do you stop to refuel? Have you found a larger tank option for the gasser?
@@myront.miller6868 I drove it home from Kellogg Idaho, the largest Ram dealer in the US, they told me to drive it like I stole it and not use the cruise control or tow for the first 500 miles to learn the computer , they said it would break in with more power, who knows. I averaged about 15.5 mpg coming home. We live 19 miles West of Boise. My driving area is made up of square miles and not a lot of city driving, just to give you a frame of reference. Also I have a place 2 hours North of where we live. I towed my tractor with implements an ATV and a box load of items. I got 10.5 MPG. Driving empty I can already see 17 to 18 MPG hwy driving 65 to 70 mph, driving faster the mpg will be less, I have a lite foot. My diesel did not get much better towing, it did get 20mpg up and back from my place up North. The 6.4 is getting almost 18mpg, it only has about 1200 miles on it so far. With the emissions on the new diesels along with the Def fluid which has a short shelf life, many do not know this, the cost difference is not as much for the gasser. If the emissions were not so stringent on the diesel engine and the lack of Sulphur in the fuel and the Def I would have gone diesel . My tank is 31 gal, 8ft bed I believe is 32. I do not believe the new diesel engines will live as long as the pre def engines, so don't think they're the same. If you're going to tow loads in excess of 13000lbs regularly, then go with a diesel, if not the 6.4 should be fine. I have not looked into a bigger fuel supply at this time as it has not been an issue so far. Hope this helps and good luck with your choice
I been driving ram diesel trucks for 32 years. The 2 reasons my 3500 4x4 single rear wheel has a Cummins is first the exhaust brake second in that number 5 cylinder has on the hemi loses its cam and lifters between 100k to 140k .my dealership showed me 4 hemi engines that were in between the above stated miles. I pull between 6 k to 16k my 21 ram is 370 horse power and 850 torque with 373 gears. The factory 20 inch wheels wear 33.2 inch tires. When climbing the hills i just take it out of 6th gear witch is double over drive .the diesel burns about 98 percent cleaner than gas. I love my ram 🐏 trucks. Be safe out there.
I have had diesels since 96.. In 20 I switched to a Ford 7.3 gas. Extremely pleased, still pulls 15k and does it well. The only draw back is no diesel brake. Other than that...everything is less from maintenance, noise, and mostly cost. Good video.
Thanks for sharing 👍🏾
I've heard great things about the 7.3. I am debating going to that, my only concern is I have a welding rig set up with the gear weight of around 1500#. I'm afraid it will just suck down the gas, where the diesel does great with the consent weight in there.
@@tubbyrigz9353 even if it sucks down a ton of gas you're still going to come out ahead by not having to pay 9 to 10 grand up front for a diesel. You're going to pay more per gallon for diesel and you're going to have Def and twice as expensive of oil changes. That was the reason I went gas instead of getting the Cummins on my Dodge because it really doesn't come out cost effective unless you're towing 15k pounds every day
What would you say is the biggest draw back of switching to the 7.3. And what was the biggest gain?
@@toofastnobrakes no exhaust brake so make sure the trailer you are pulling has brakes....Everything mentioned above...save 10k on purchase, 60.00 oil changes vs 200.00, no def fluid and other additional filters that diesel makes you change out. If you do not pulling 10-15k twice a week all day long the gas is the way to go. So far I am pleased with my 7.3...over 30k miles not one issue.
Glad you pointed all this out because the hemi is pretty much a leaner engine over all. It may not have the max towing numbers, but most people don't need that, they only want it. You can get a hemi with 4.10 gears, put a diablosport tune on it, run 93 octane, and it will be enough. I would add intake and exhaust as well myself.
Great review. I recently traded my 19 Cummins for the 22 Hemi (with the 4;10 rear end), NO regrets. I only tow 2 or 3 times in a month but the Hemi pulls whatever I ask it to.
For someone who only tows a few times per year (boat, camper, car trailer), the diesel just doesn't make sense. Unless you are towing heavy construction trailers for work, or a big 5th wheel fulltime, then for most people the Hemi is enough truck. Fuel is cheaper, maintenance is cheaper, initial cost is cheaper. Looking at the pre-owned market for 4-5 year old trucks, the gas trucks are much more affordable than the diesel trucks. Those base tradesman wheels are ugly though, I'd probably put some aftermarket wheels on it ASAP. Too bad you can't put the wheels from the white truck on the gray truck.
love my 19 ram! it tows like a champ and has been very reliable. Looked at diesels for months and was on the forums, facebook groups and I saw lots of issues. glad I went gas
After having issues with 02 sensors and DEF system at 60k miles on my cummins i went with the power wagon and so far lovin it !!
Loving my Hemi with 4.10's, no regrets here!
I got a 2016 2500 6.4 an I've pulled my 2014 chrysler 300 just fine on a trailer an my 99 dodge ram. Didn't struggle at all. Goes up hills an doesn't miss a beat.
Good Job Thank You I Had an Older 94 Cummins!!! now I have 2022 Gas I Love It
What great timing for this video- I’m on the fence between the two engines- I have a 27 ft travel trailer that I pull with my 1500 and I wanted to step up to 2500 - I will probably go hemi now that I saw this video- I can get more tech in the truck with the hemi and the price is still below a basic 2500 with the Cummins
Very true and if you don’t tow a lot and far, it’s even more worth it 👍🏾
I drive a diesel because I like a diesel. And the exhaust brake makes me smile. Good job on the video. Your rational is correct.
Watching your videos really helped me decide on my 2021 RAM 2500 6.4 with 4.10s max tow 17k. Have had it for about a month now and I love it! It pulls my dump trailer like its not even back there. Mileage I get about 8-9mpg towing and empty 10-11mpg. Love the 3100 lb payload as well.
Congrats bro and thanks for sharing 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork keep up the good work bro!
10 mpg empty? My 73 f350 390ci got better mileage than that! That would be a deal breaker for me.
How are you driving and getting 10-11 empty? I got a lifted 02 grand Cherokee on 33s and I drive like a bat out of hell and still get 11 average
@@ronpage101 been over a year now I avg 10mpg with a lot of towing about 4-5 days a week and mainly city driving. On the highway empty I have gotten 17+mpg
I recently traded my 2015 2500 6.4 Hemi 6 speed auto transmission with 73K miles for a 2021 3500 HO Cummins Aisen transmission. Both trucks are 4x4 crew cab short box Tradesman package. One of the biggest reasons for my move was the crazy amount the dealership gave me for the 2015 2500. I ended up getting in the new truck with trade in for under $30K. That alone was a good reason for me to trade in and up. Now comparing the 2 in performance...there is no comparison in my opinion. I spent the month of July out west with my 2500 Hemi camping and exploring 11 states and too many mountain ranges to remember. I was pulling a bumper pull camper at approximately 7K lbs loaded. My payload in my truck was right at 2K lbs. Both well under the max ratings. Honestly, the truck struggled going up grade and coming back down grade. It managed, but it was a chore. The constant shifting and engine revving to 6K rpm was annoying. I actually stopped at a Ram dealership in Vernal, Utah to have the truck looked at because of this issue. They gave it a clean bill of health and continued on my way. The entire trip I averaged 8.3mpg and would need to stop for fuel about every 150 miles to not get stranded somewhere. As many of you know, gas stations can be pretty spread out in that part of the country.I haven't pulled my camper with my new truck yet. Next trip is Labor Day weekend. I did however pull a 8K lb mini excavator on a 3.4K lb trailer for 180 miles for a friend. The truck didn't even know load was behind it and I averaged 16.7 mpg while doing so. As a side note, the exhaust brake is awesome!!! So...is the 6.4 a nice truck. Absolutely but with real world limits. If you are looking at both the gas Ram and diesel Ram, get the diesel if you can afford it. It is well worth the extra money in my opinion.
Plus, I think you will always get the premium you paid for the diesel back at trade in time. Maybe the gassers will do better than they have in the past on resale, as more people that are willing to forgo diesels due to many of the reasons discussed here.
@HalfShell understood and that might possibly help the 6.4 perform better. Again, I loved my 6.4 90% of the time. My new 3500 Cummins I love 100% of the time...so far.
100 percent agree
I don't understand. Double the mileage? He said it was the same. Now how can that be...
@@Bubbles99718 it’s a way older truck, it says 2015 hemi 💀 not 2021
Just having this discussion with my wife regarding our next tow vehicle purchase. We rented from Enterprise a 2500 Cummins with 3.73 to tow our 25ft 5k lb travel trailer from Indianapolis to The Florida Keys. Loved the way it handled and according to the trip computer, averaged 13.3 mpg for the trip down. This includes some decent idling time due to 2 backups for accidents. I know the diesel is overkill for such a small trailer, but I was impressed by the mpg and handling.
How much was the rental a week?
I drive a 2500 with a hemi and I love it, tow a 7500 lbs trailer on flat and over hills, the truck does great, just wish I had the air suspension for a nicer ride on Pennsylvania’s crappy roads
How far do you tow? The stopping every 250 miles sucks!!! I have a 20 Power Wagon.
@@myront.miller6868 I haven’t towed more than 250 yet, so one tank gets us to our destination, flat mileage is around 11-13, and hills is 8-10
@HalfShell averaging 10 mpg would be 310 miles with the standard 31 gallon tank
@HalfShell I agree on longer trips I would probably plan to get gas around 250
@@paflyer1370 drove from Detroit to Orlando, FL about a month ago. That stopping for gas every 250 sucked. This was our first year towing anything. There needs to be a larger capacity tank offering for gassers like they have for the diesels.
I had 3 Cummins a 06, 12, 16 i always wanted a powerwagon i ended up buying a 19 powerwagon and absolutely love this truck the 6.4 hemi with 8 speed trans is a great setup
I’m starting to see a lot of large landscaping companies buying new gas trucks. Think about the savings if you buy 20-40 trucks and can save around $9,000 per truck. Then the savings on employee failures to fill the def tanks correctly and if doing a lot of idling, no more worries about DPF issues.
Very true!
The biggest problems is the reliability with all of the emission systems. Roughly 90% of a problem that will occur on a diesel vehicle will be the emissions.
Your presentation is over the top. Detailed and informative. I have been on the fence between the 1500 vs 2500. Agree with the Hemi. Friends who have the diesels all had issues. Retired my use is primarily for camping and hunting trips. Towing an rv trailer or for hunts an enclosed utility trailer. I like that the 3/4 ton truck can serve me better than the 1500 it’s superior components and capacity. Hate going on extended hunting trips full of gear and a vehicle lacking in performance.
I've towed with both and I'll never be without an exhaust brake again. My diesel is for sure more expensive to fix, but the pulling power and stopping power are worth it for me.
Meh,… . I agree about the power but comes down to how often you use that power. I’ve owned a 6.4 Hemi since 2016 but bought my Cummins over a year ago. Love my Cummins but I do miss my Hemi, and if I get one more issue with my truck I’m going back to gas. I pull a TT (7-8k) . And my Hemi would yank that trailer around/ up hill with no issues. I just miss the simplicity of the gas engines.
@@JeffBrauss my 5.7 and 6.4 had no problem pulling. In the mountains out here, I need that exhaust brake. Already burnt up brakes once, won't do it again.
@@oldnumber6 I hear ya about the exhaust brake. I pulled my camper in the Canadian Rockies with my gas truck and some of those grades felt straight down ( over 8%), and I had to keep feathering between trailer brakes and truck brakes.
@@oldnumber6 should of just manually shifted to 4th like I do and control 10k down any hill I want
Peeps talk about the go but the whoa is usually more important
The Cummins is obviously better, it has a higher towing capacity.
A very nice presentation indeed. Its food for thought in the truck and tow world these days.
I have a 2020 Power Wagon that I purchased just about a year ago. Love the truck. Didn’t think we’d be getting a travel trailer. Tows it well and the added airbags definitely brings it back to level with the soft springs in the back, which helps a ton.
The issue I have is the lack of a large capacity tank option. A few different companies make one for the crew cab and mega cab with the Cummins but nothing out there for the HEMI. Stopping every 250 miles for gas sucks!
I do wonder if the stock/upgraded 50 gallon tank that you can choose as an option for the 8ft beds would actually work in the crew or mega cabs.
We tow distance more so than often. Our trips are typically over 300 miles within the state of Michigan. And outside of Michigan to Florida and next year we are traveling WEST!
All of the above is the main reason we are looking to upgrade to a 3500 (no more payload worries with our family of 5 plus the pup). Haven’t quite decided on which engine. I wish they would come out with a suitable replacement for the gas tank. If there is one, I’d get the Hemi in a heartbeat.
I'll be curious to see if you change your mind when you see your MPGs pulling your camper. A buddy of mine has a Power Wagon and pulls a toy hauler, it gets 3 MPG while I get 9 MPG with my Cummins.
There is nothing in the world better than a Cummins! End of story!
Uhm your points are valid and it might not make sense for many people that have diesels to buy them but I just love my Ram 3500 diesel with the Cummins. Also, I think the Cummins versions will hold its value at resale time at least that has been the case. The superior torque and pulling power, more fuel efficient, and resale make the Cummins my preference even if it doesn't quite pencil out over the Hemi.
Transmission fluid will never last as long as the transmission the goal is to keep the old fluid in causing the transmission to go out early most manufacturers are doing that now so customers have to replace main powertrain items after the warranty is up.
That is a horrible thing but business is business. This is why I will never get rid of my third gen!
I have a 2019 2500 Big Horn crew cab. It has the Hemi and 4.10. Max towing is 19k. Love the truck and the $9,000 savings. Gas mileage around town sucks but highway is not bad and it pulls my 7,000 lb camper like it is not there. And the huge 3,400 lb payload is great too, no worries when I decide to move up to a 5th wheel.
Love my 2021 2500 crew cab 6.4 with 4.10s as well. Pulls my dump trailer like a champ!
How often do you have to stop and refuel while pulling? Have you found a larger tank option anywhere for the gasser. There's a few offerings for larger tanks for the diesels.
@@myront.miller6868 I refuel every 2-3 days I drive about 50+ miles a day in city
@@myront.miller6868 all of my trips so far have been within one tank, so has not been an issue. That gets me around 270 miles before the needle makes me feel anxious. And there are no options that I have found for add on tanks, the tanks on gas are part of the emissions system, unlike diesel so no one wants to deal with it. I am surprised Ram does offer a second tank to be honest, would be a huge help.
@@myront.miller6868 good question, I’ve looked around for a bigger gas tank as well. Seems like they are only available for diesel. If a came across a bigger gas tank option I would definitely get it. I recently took delivery of my 2022 Ram 2500 mega (4.10 gear) love the truck MPG sucks.
Yes, the payload is higher on that HEMI. but the tow capacity of the Cummins is much higher than the Hemi. Payload is how much you can carry on/in the truck, that is not the same as towing. If you are in construction, landscaping & use you bed for material & supplies - you would absolutely want to consider the Hemi over the Cummins. But if you are towing heavy loads - the Cummins is what you want. You cannot compare the Payload of these 2 specific trucks, it is an apples to oranges comparison. This Cummins is a Laramie, which has leather seats (heavier than cloth), it has RAM BOX (way heavier than a standard bed), it has a full-center console (added weight). There is only a 500 lbs difference between the Hemi & Cummins. If you want an accurate comparison, use the same trim packages (Tradesman, Big Horn, Laramie, etc.)
Diesel all day if you can't afford a diesel life get a Hemi. I love the way my Cummins 3500 performs when it's climbing a 8% grade pulling 12,000 lb travel trailer toy hauler off the bumper with my family and payload. Also going down the grade also controllable.
I’m a diesel guy, and I was a Mercedes Benz mechanic tell my back injury, but I worked on diesel cars and I was sold on them from the start. I’ve owned gas and diesel trucks but always love the diesels more, as far as noise the new ones are way more quiet my new Cummins is just the right amount of sound and turbo. My 03 7.3 power stroke was insanely loud. Just saying
I have a 2021 ram 2500 with a 6.4 L Hemi. But i have a 3.73 gears instead of the 4.10. I have the 8 speed transmission. Chrome package, chrome running boards. Got it for $40k out the door. Got it from Fullerton Auto Dealer in NJ. 💪
Dang my build is around 50k that’s before employee pricing and what not but still won’t be able to get it for 40k out the door lol
I got the 6.4 hemi . Wish I had the Cummins, but can’t complain!
The problem with the 6.4 is the fuel millage is awful, I own one
I have a 6.4 with a 4.10 axle ratio I'm averaging 15mpg, not too bad. I had a 19 Tundra averaging 16mpg and it doesn't tow as much as my Ram.
Preach bro….
@@ceelo99 maybe if you're not towing and going downhill 🤣🤣🤣. Seriously tho if you're really getting that I'm jealous!
I have 21 model with the hemi 4x4 with the 3.73 and I have been pleasantly surprised with the fuel economy not towing. If I have a tank with almost all city driving and short trips I will get 11-12 mpg, if I drive about 50/50 city highway I get 14.5-16.5 depending on how fast and heavy footed I am. I do have a tonneau cover which may make a difference I'm told. If you just sit in place idling for long periods at 15-20 minute drive thru lines that seems to effect it quite a bit so I try not to idle much
@@mikenelson983 lmao right my 2016 2500 6.0 gets 12mpg doesn’t matter if it’s city or highway driving 12mpg no matter what and when I pull my 12k pound trailer it only drops to 10
From what I’ve seen the MDS systems tend to limit the trucks engine life to 225k-250k. At least that was the case for the ram 1500s.
The ZF 8 speeds are some of the best and most reliable transmissions on the market. No question about it. Here’s the interesting part about it. Ram says the fluid is lifetime. But ZF, who designed it, recommends changing around 80-100k miles. Has caused a never ending debate in the forums
ZF says 80-100k for normal use. I say it about all the transmission(Ford, GM, Ram) is if you are working the truck change the tranny fluid. Especially if you are pulling heavy(over 15k) routinely. Lifetime fluid is a marketing scheme, what denotes lifetime? 30k heavy tow? 50k moderate tow? 100k now towing?
@@jnk26 true. To me lifetime means once the manufacturers warranty is up and they don’t have to eat the cost of anything!
@@thecheekof as a owner operator of a highway truck running 140k gross every load, preventative maintenance is the key to expected life of components. Expected life is based on usage(actually fuel economy) and the intervals are getting ridiculous. I saw the new Cummins X15 has a oil change interval of 120,000km (more than 7 MPG average) bloody insane. I haul heavy(get 6.2mpg average) and I don't care that oil is changed every 30k miles(50,000km) regardless of time. Works out for me well no major issues in 850,000km. I know guys that are over 2.5 million km on the original block and rotating assemblies. Followed the same service schedule. As for the transmission issues with Ford's10R140, the owners manual clearly states at 30k miles for the severe service schedule, the transmission fluid should be changed. As long as it changed before its due, it should be fine. Same applies to GM 10L1000 and Ram's Aisin. These are tools and of they are worked they should be maintained as tools
I just picked my 2022 6.4 ram 2500 mega cab with the 4:10 gears and ram air suspension in the rear. 63k. Love it.
Glad to hear it. I ordered that combo in December. Hopefully it gets here before 2023.
@@jsboening I ordered mine in June
@@jsboening so 6 months
@@yousad6742 last I heard it was in D status back on Jan. 31st. I haven’t bothered my dealer about it. I figure it gets here when it gets here. I still have my 1500 anyway.
@@jsboening after I heard mine was in d it took about 3-4 weeks. I live in Buffalo and I heard that they sit there till they can load the trailer enough. The drivers get payed more if they load
Up light small cars cause they can haul more smaller
Vehicles then big trucks.
It’s a shame but the only reason I’d pick the Cummins over the hemi is strictly because of the sound, torque and reputation. Ironically, the hemi has awesome sound, okay torque and strong rep too. So for me to save $9k upfront and thousands of dollars in maintenance over the life of the truck just to have less torque and enjoy the (now pathetically quiet) Diesel engine sound - I think I can handle that.
The hemi has a good sound too. I also wonder how much hp you can get from a diablosport tuner.
I’ve been considering 2500 hemi vs Cummins to tow our new travel trailer with gvwr of 7700lbs bumper pull. This videos has helped push me towards the hemi which I have in my 1500, I’ve been leaning to the hemi as we live near town and only plan to camp a dozen times in the summertime. Thanks JB for the great comparison
I have a 35tf bumper pull travel trailer and 22ft bbq trailer and my 2500 mega cab 6.4 himi pulled like shit high rpms and lots of gas. Traded for a 2022 2500 cummins and. It pulls them great no problems at all
I have never owned a diesel vehicle but my RAM 2500 Hemi warms up very quickly and does everything I need.
Considering 98% of private consumers dont need or actually use a diesel correctly, your average Joe will thank you for this vid my man...
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I just ordered pretty much that same exact hemi tradesman but black. I got a 2022 6.4 with 8 speed trans and 4:10 gears and anti spin. It got built SUPER quick. Like 2 months total from the day I walked in dealership to it arriving. I dont tow anything, but I use my bed to haul stuff ALL the time. So I'm excited for my new truck 🔥🔥🔥
That’s awesome!
Just got rid of a 04 2500 with a hemi for a 06 2500 cummins. Will never go back as long as I can help it.
I own both. The cummins is miles better if towing any weight at all. The hemi is better for daily driving. But long trips (even without towing) I pick the cummins.
Wanted a diesel, but dam ! All about your budget and actual use. Im happy with my 6.4 2023 tradesman . I had a 2002 ram 1500.siingle cab that i drove for 20 years. Damn good truck
The gasser transmission are a sealed transmission and the Rams owner manual says lifetime transmission. No oil change needed. But if you go to the manufacturer of the transmission it tells you to change the oil every 60K miles. I just changed my 2017 Ram gasser at 60K miles. When you change the oil you also have to replace the filter. Final price for everything was like 850.00. The mechanic told me the old oil was black, nasty and broken down for sure. In my opinion still cheaper than owning a Diesel.
Yup 👍🏾
My wife’s explorer said the same thing about the transmission, no service required. At 50,000 miles I had my mechanic change it. They had to suck the oil out because it has no bolt on pan or drain plug. They said the same thing, the oil was definitely done. They changed it and drove it 20 miles then changed it again because it was so dirty. I guarantee that transmission will last longer if serviced. They just want to make money off replacing transmissions when they fail.
@HalfShell I believe so. It’s the 8 speed with the 3.6 V6
@@TermiteBenny yep or they want you to buy a new truck. I’m guessing for the average consumer they would get 10 years out of it before it failed. I already have 71K miles on that truck in 4 years.
60k miles on factory atf you can get, highway driving. Approaching 60k miles fluid is already becoming dirty and starting to wear out transmission parts. After 60k miles atf fluid becomes completely garbage and outside specifications for atf fluid. Fluid is cheap vs transmission repairs. However, dealers prefer transmission replacement because they will make more money than doing fluid change.
I have an 2019 RAM 2500 Gas 6.4l up here in New Mexico high elevation. I love it I tow about 8500lbs trailer and she pulls it easily. However, she is a thirsty gal. Babying it I get about 11.5-13mpg city maybe 14-15mpg highway non towing, but I wouldn't drive anything else.
Gear ratio?
I recently got a 2019 Ram 3500 mega cab Hemi. I wanted the gasser for all the reasons mentioned here and because my daily driving is 10 min to work and around town. For the limited towing I’ll do, getting a 5th wheel camper, it didn’t make sense (cents) to go with the diesel, for now. If I find that my towing increases and justifies the change then we’ll see then. Oddly enough I spec’d out a Ram the way I wanted, Hemi 3500 Mega cab, Laramie (with active cruise), 5th wheel prep, rear air susp, 4:10 gear. I found a used one with 20k not far at a dealer and got a steal on it and good $ for my F-150. Only thing it didn’t have that I wanted was anti spin rear diff. I’m very happy so far. JB if you want to review it on you channel I’m willing👍🏻
Thanks, can you send me your email?
You can always weld your diff lol please dont
Cummins has the best emissions system. I find the safety of the exhaust break to be priceless. Especially if your overloaded.
Hauling heavy loads , I do love my dually diesel, & Aisin, 4,10's working 😎
Ram does use better axles. The AAM 11.5 is bulletproof. I had it in my Power Wagon. Ford uses weaker axles.
Thank you for another great video. I agree with all your points, but I'm still drawn to diesel for several reasons. With no experience towing a big trailer I would feel more comfortable refueling with the big rigs at truck stops. Having the diesel power for going up mountain passes, and exhaust braking for going down would be nice. Hopefully, I can figure out how to get past these issues. Thank you again!
The exhaust break is the bomb for sure.
Fueling with diesel while towing is definitely an advantage.
Thanks Doug!
You still need to change the trans fluid about every 100K miles. It's just smart to do.
I like your impartial comparisons. Recently a coworker had a wreck and had to rent a truck. It was a Ram 1500 Classic. I did not know these were still available. It would be nice to see pros and cons between new 1500 and 1500 Classic.
Great idea, thanks!
Another excellent breakdown on the differences, pros and cons to each. Great review JB, I appreciate the subjective/objective approach when considering how I might use the truck when I go to pick one up. Keep the videos coming!
Thanks Ryan 🙏🏽
After several diesels , I’m getting out for reliability issues .
I have a car for commuting, and truck is only to tow. Diesels do not have a throttle, so no need to shut off air. Right now for mixed use gas is the way to go. Towing still wins. 9,000 pays for a lot of fuel.
For the axles you compared a 6.4 4x2 reg cab without a box to a Cummins 4x4 crew cab 8’ box… if you compared the 6.4 in the same truck which is show directly above the Cummins they’re the same..should do a full comparison between two identically spec’d trucks with different drivetrains to be accurate
Good video! Only downsides to the Hemi are longer term, the exhaust leaks from broken manifold studs are so common. Most fail and develop leaks under war the first time but after that it’s on your dime,figure every 3 years/40 k miles you’ll be dropping 800-1500 for repairs. The next issue is more serious it’s the camshaft and lifter issues that plague the Hemi engines. This is more of a problem with work trucks because of the excessive idling,but all hemis experience it at some point . It’s a big expensive issue that often costs you an engine.This is just my opinion but I think your far better off to go GM or Ford for gas engines , ESP the new 7.3 Ford,and even the 6.2 has been stone reliable,far more than the 6.4 Hemi.
Can’t go wrong with a 6.0 vortec from GM
How can you say the new 7.3 is stone reliable when it's still so new?
@John DiMartino thanks John!
I love your videos because you explain the trucks really well
You are an intelligent man. I enjoyed the video.
I’ve owned both cummins puts 35-40% more torque on the ground. Gets better fuel mileage and 40% farther range
sorry, I disagree with ya, I have a hemi, already replaced cam and lifters at 130k. Cummings will outlast by a long shot, way better on towing and better mpg. I tow heavy, wish I had got the Cummings.
Excellent job, JB!!!
Thank You!
Great video brother. ,love how you ended with that devil’s advocate I’ll tell you why I’d choose a Cummins over the hemi. I love the non bias honesty of this channel. No fanboy shit. Just pure information and great entertainment. Well, at least my .02
Thanks brother, since I’ve been towing with most of these trucks, I’ve come to realize that the gas engines have enough power to pull for most people which is why I made this video. Really appreciate your feedback 👍🏾
You have outstanding content, keep it up!!!
Thank You!
It simply comes down to your needs in a truck. The majority of people that buy trucks don't know anything about them. Despite what they are rated for, the 6.4 is a total pig with anything over 10k pounds. There's absolutely no way I could imagine hooking a 15k travel trailer to a 6.4 and driving across country. That would be miserable!
I've had both and both have their merits. For me, I've got a tree biz and the Cummins is a far superior option.
I have an 017 3500 with 392. I asked myself, what am I going to do with truck? Wasn’t going to be hauling over the road. I do some car hauling, but moderately light. Hemi has more than enough power. You didn’t mention also insurance will be higher on diesel.
Definitely true, me and the wife are discussing this very thing. Due to the cost difference. I can just put some bolt on performance parts to make it nice. Cold air intake, throttle body, MAF sensor, exhaust, and brakes etc. Perhaps a set of performance brakes and a level kit. All less then 10k for the cummins.
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@HalfShell Yes, I'm digging the 7.3 Tremor as well. It's a great package to start with. 7.3, 4.30 ⚙ and w inch lift. Locker rear and posi front axle is good.
The Cummins diesel weighs a lot more than the Hemi engine. But the trade off is in torque. Also, you have to work a diesel. If you don't and just drive to the store and back they will become coked up and you'll have issues with them..Bottom line, how do you want to use the truck? If it was me and I was going to do a lot of work and towing with the truck, I'd still go with the Cummins. If it was going to be mainly a driver with only occasional heavy duty use, I'd go Hemi.
I don't tow much but i do take my family and friends along very often. That's why i went with the gas engine. I needed something spacious and comfortable and safe for the long road and long trips. So "Pay Load" is what it's about for me. 5 adults is 1000 lbs. Add a full tank of gas and we are at around 1300 lbs. Now add 2 e-bikes at 65 lbs each and we are at 1420 lbs. Now add the camping gear, food and luggage and we are at 1500 lbs. ~ In my opinion, If you want safety, you want your truck to be able to respond well to your commands and inputs in or during moments of emergency. You can't load a truck above half the overall pay load capacity and expect it to behave as if it were empty. It will not be as nimble or agile.You can say you will drive slower and stuff like that, but you don't decide how fast other things are going or coming at you. Understand that the more load you have the less you can predict a "good" (in the blink of an eye) maneuver. The less you are loaded the more you can predict good outcomes to quick, sudden maneuvers. ~ I never expect the drive to be safe and uneventful. But everyone expects me to get them home that way. ~ True story: Coming back from my chalet the other day, I was driving alone in my truck. I'm in the far left lane of a 3 lane highway doing 115 kph. Semi next to me on my right (the middle lane) looses the left from wheel just as i come up on his cab! The cab nose went strait down and the front bumper disappear under it. The left front wheel jumped out 10 feet ahead in a second and was on the dividing line of our lanes,.. i had guard rail to my immediate left and was about to be boxed in. In the blink of an eye i thought: That wheel is gonna be directly in front of me in a moment and i'm gonna be boxed in between the semi and the guard rail and the cars behind me. That wheel could go hard left and hit the guard rail and then me. The wheel might go right and away from me , but into the 2 other lanes to my right and cause and accident there. (My dad use to say that,) " when something happens on the road, you either want to be way behind it, or , for it to be way behind you ". In this case i wasn't way behind it, so i just had to punch it and get way ahead of it. ~ Thankfully i was alone and the truck had nothing in it and when i put that peddle down flat,.. the 8 speed shifted in a blink and the truck lunged out of that pocket with a huge snarl right away. ~ As i looked behind me, the wheel had entered my lane and hit the rail and was riding it as fast as cars were driving. And it kept going...so i kept the peddle down for a bit until it was all "way behind me". ~ I was glad that my truck wasn't waited down like most times on this occasion. Not sure it would have cleared out as fast if it had been.
I agree. I have a bumper pull TT that only weighs about 3500 pounds empty. Had a 1500 pickup and just didn’t like the way it responded while driving. It could handle it but I didn’t feel safe pilling in 3 kids and the wife into a rig I wasn’t 💯 confident in. That’s why I bought my ram 2500 hemi. It’s worlds different in feel and confidence. Do I need it, not really, but at the end of the day it’s about having confidence in your rig. I see guys bragging about how much they tow with their half ton trucks and wear it like a badge. I don’t get it...
@@carlnewby5963 Know exactly what you mean. A buddy of mine got a new Ram 1500 crew cab to take his family and camper on long trips. But he didn't understand the payload capacity. He though he could tow a 10k pound trailer and take his family as well because the truck was advertised to tow 12k pounds. He didn't realize that this info was for the single cab single axle model. His camper's tongue weight was around 15% (1500 lbs). His max payload was around 1300 lbs. So he was already 200 pounds over max payload before he added himself, his family and gas... He was stopped on the highway and fined for being over max payload. He got a 2500 right after. ~ If i had to add anything else to my 1500 like even a small trailer, i would switch to a 2500 too....and then i would go for the MegaCab with the 6.4 Hemi. ~ If i could just justify a trailer now, i could then justify the MegaCab to my wife LOL! maybe one day!
I have a 2016 ram 2500 with the 6.4 hemi and i love it!
Currently have a 2021 Ram 1500 CC Built to serve edition but have been thinking about getting a 2500 cummins. At this point it’s more of a want than need because I tow once every couple of years when i move duty stations.
So is the gmc 2500 gas 6 speed better with 87 octane, or the ram 2500 gas 8 speed with premium gas?
Our dealership has about a dozen 6.4 2500 and 3500's and only one diesel, also is the fifth wheel prep package a dealer installed or only factory installed
Factory installed
The simple fact is that the manufacturers ratings seem to be completely arbitrary and even meaningless when it comes to how they rate the towing capacities of their trucks, at least where Ram trucks are concerned. I don't know about the other manufacturers ratings, because I haven't researched them. But I have been researching the difference between Ram 2500 Cummins vs Hemi for days, and have not been able to make any sense of how they rate the different trucks. And it is as if nobody seems to notice how crazy it is. There is simply no doubt that the Cummins will pull more than the Hemi... It has way more torque, and will get much better MPG pulling heavy loads. You are correct though when you go by the manufacturers ratings. They do rate the Hemi to not only have a higher max payload, but also to have a hi8gher max towing capacity, yet on the other side of that equation they turn around and rate the Cummings to have a significantly higher GCWR... Read that again. Despite the fact that the Hemi is rated by the manufacturer to have a higher payload capacity and a higher tow rating, the Cummins is rated to have a significantly higher Gross Combined Weight Rating, which is the weight of both the tow vehicle and the tow vehicle combined. It literally makes no sense... It is completely mindless. The ratings are a complete contradiction of themselves.
Would the hemi be good for a carpenter? Or if you suggest a different truck which one would it be?
Thanks so much! Very helpful.
Great breakdown comparison, have been looking to upgrade from my f 150 choosing not to go f 250 mostly because of the cab dimensions. ( ie, they are identical)
If I wanted to keep the truck for 8 years or more I'd get the diesel but if not I'd get the Hemi ..Great review JB
Thanks Brother 👍🏾
I meant for towing full time diesel is better, but few use for full time towing.
NICE VIDEO !! THANKS
Thanks Jonathan 👍🏾
One thing that diesel lovers tend to either ignore or not know about at all: If you don't have a CDL, you don't need 1,000 lb-ft of torque and before you gas bashers get to typing let me explain something. Federally, so that means ANYWHERE in the United States of America, regardless of "in my state" arguments, you cannot exceed the magic 26,001/26,000 lbs. That means in both scale-weight combined (actual) weight of the truck and trailer, and also in the published and legal GVWR of the truck and trailer combined (potential). The only common legal exemption to this law is true farm use. So this means that unless you have a class A, you cant realistically tow more than a 16k GVWR trailer with your 10k GVWR 3/4 truck. This problem is amplified once you get to 14k gvwr duallies. Even if you are running with the trailer unloaded. The only exceptions to not needing diesel torque are people towing near that 16k trailer weight most of the instances they tow, or people with extremely high drag trailers/loads. GVW laws are the most factual and objective things in the pickup world that are somehow the most overlooked. With all that being said, pay close attention to how I worded things. I said "need" meaning you don't need it, but BY ALL MEANS, BUY ONE IF YOU WANT ONE. Currently, I think Ford offers a genuine competitor to a large portion of what is the diesel market. Not a direct competitor to the diesel performance, but what most diesel owners use their trucks for. That 7.3 with a 10 speed is in its own league compared to even chevy's new 6.6 gas or rams 6.4 hemi. The 7.3 has higher performance specs, but more importantly a 10 speed. If you look not far in the past, the heavy duty diesel pickup market and owners operated with torque specs very similar to what modern HD gas engines are at and with less gears. When you factor in that you can mod these gas engines with parts and tuning to reach 500+ lb-ft of torque, approaching big rig numbers of speeds/gears, gas is looking pretty good again.
Aside from that, there are the typically pointed out things like upfront cost, maintenance cost, and repair/parts costs. When I think of a truck, I think of vehicles like my grandad's old 1 ton that was used and abused and always worked. You can't get that with a modern diesel. They have to be babied and closely monitored and maintained in order not to deteriorate fast. Even when you do a good job at that, sometimes emissions systems in the 12 feet of government regulated exhaust decide to take a dump and grenade the engine. There is also stuff like payload decreases of over 1,000 lbs due to the diesel weight, which is a lot when you think that most 2500 trucks sit around a 10k gvwr and after fuel and passengers, you are left with less than 2k lbs of payload. A ton of people with diesel 3/4 tons don't realize that their 1000 lb-ft torque pickup that they pretend is a big rig actually has less payload than a half ton when you calculate it out and see laughable numbers like 600-1000 lbs of payload which ties directly into towing capacity since you need tongue weight.
the axles on those pickup trucks can barely handle the baseline diesels, let alone that ridiculous 1,000 lb-ft engine. There's no way in hell the torque limiter isn't choking the shit out of that Cummins.
I just might have a truck for you to review. I just purchased it a week ago. It's a 2021 RAM 3500, regular cab, 8' bed, 4x4, 6.4 liter gasser, factory 5th wheel and gooseneck package, tradesman package with vinyl floor and cloth interior, and some other options. Reach out to me if you want to check it out. It's kind of a rare truck since I've never seen one before like the one that I now own.
Price and payload are the 2 main reasons, for me. With a 2500 diesel you are limited to 1900-2100 lbs of payload. You'll run out of payload LONG before you ever hit the towing capacity with the diesel. My 2500 6.4 has 3047 lbs of payload. Good enough for a small/medium sized 5th wheel with a pin weight up to 2400 lbs. And saving $10,000 by not getting a diesel is a lot of fuel in my tank. Also not wearing out my tires as fast by having another 1000 lbs on the truck unloaded.
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Thanks for the feedback, and we have been approached for this but not for us. Thanks 👍🏾
and theres only 3 better things about the cummins.
1. cummins last much longer
2. even with the 4.10 axle the cummins tows better.
3. cummins has a column shifter
but thatnk you. in my mind, i think i'd go with the hemi. you do got a point here.
My 2017 6.7 Cummins has over 650K miles. No engine failures. Let me know when that Hemi can do that without a rebuild
Is the hemi turbo charged cause if it's not efficiency is not going to be as it could be.
I have a 07 ram 1500 laramie mega cab 4x4 with a 5.7 hemi with 131k on it.
Got it for $16k last month I get 10.0 mpg average.
I'm told I could have gotten a 2500 or 3500 same set up in a cummins for not much more, and would have more power, torque, payload both tow and haul and mpg. And if deleted it even gets more of all three and is more reliable and dependable
Pointless DEF can’t believe they got away with forcing people to put that crap in your truck. Another government scam
Have owed one in 6.4 HEMI for 3 years and no issues at all
Very thorough. Good insights.
I feel sorry for anyone who buys the gas instead of the diesel. Wanna know why all but one truck is a Cummins? Because the only reason to buy a ram HD is for the Cummins.
Did you not mention the maintenance costs of oil and fuel filter changes?
No only because oil change are 7500 miles earlier on the HEMI
@@JB_WhoWork Oil Change and fuel filter maintenance on a Cummins are considerably higher cost than servicing a gasoline engine. Even if you perform two Hemi services for every one Cummins service.
Personally, I'd never push a Cummins to 15k miles like the manual suggests...but even following the manufacturer guidelines, the maintenance costs are significantly higher.
Very true, it’s probably about $30 difference between oil changes and every 15k fuel filters is probably $200 service.
Mds sucks, look into hemi tick. I definitely wouldn’t consider the hemi worthy of the Heavy duty title. Just saying that there is a reason the cummins is a 10k upgrade
I have the 6.4 hemi. It’s unbelievable. A Cummins in a 2500 makes no sense. The motor is way stronger than the truck can handle.
I agree