Another really good review. Your “opinion” about the Aisin transmission makes sense. I have the 68RFE and tow a 25ft boat cabin cruiser on the weekends during the summer and it pulls fine out of the hole and at highway speed. Sounds like the Aisin would be for hauling construction equipment as opposed to recreational hauling
Thanks bro, the Aisin is just rough and not ideal for unloaded use primarily. It’s not terrible but it’s definitely not something I would choose to drive everyday unloaded 👍🏾
My farrier has a Chev 2500 diesel pickup with a heavy farrier body on it. His Allison has transmission 485,000 miles on it. Has followed the maintenance schedule religiously and nothing else. Still going strong. Amazing transmission. BTW he had to rebuild the engine at 425,000 miles at a cost of 12,000 dollars. Insanely great service life on the engine too.
Spot on! Coming from a 2018 Tradesman to a 2024 Laramie HO, that was the first thing I noticed. Way more lag on the Aisin ,and I'm wondering if it's the Transmission OR (food for thought) is it because the HO has a lower compression ratio to handle that 420HP and bigger boost that is causing that lag. Great Video!
I’m curious if ram will offer a ram 4500 with a factory bed in the future. Imagine that in a mega cab with the wide track front axle fender flare and the short bed that would be 👍
Yeah I looked at a limited 4500, and the spring pack was huge and I think the GVWR was like 16,500 lbs. You’d probably need to place a literal ton of stuff on it to not cause teeth problems while driving without a gooseneck loaded. Lol
I like you're comparison. Good job. I have a 2014 RAM 2500 Cummins and love my truck. I pull a 16,000 lb 5th wheel trailer and this truck is a beast especially with a heavy load. It's a true work horse. It's creeping up on 200,000 miles and uses no engine oil. I do drain and refill the transmission fluid every 10K miles between filter changes to keep fresh transmission fluid. I've had no issues on this 68RFE transmission.
Thanks for sharing, I met a couple of guys now who do hotshot and they had the 68. 1 with over 300k and the other closing in on 450k no problems whatsoever and they don’t change their trans fluid as often as you but did do it as suggested 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork thanks for getting back to me in good response. I worked in a Dodge Dealership as Master tech for 28 years and seen what people don't do in regards to normal maintenance. Very expensive repairs. ATF+4 isn't cheap these days but cheaper than having to replace a transmission. My truck is all stock no mods. In my opinion I think that's good and feel that it isn't needed, have plenty of power.
I know this is an old video but I will be getting a standard output 2500 because I like the ride better of the 4 link coil rear suspension night and day difference I love your channel keep up the good work 😎👍
I pull hotshot 5 days a week up to 30k #’s. I service my 68RFE every 50k miles with filter change and she still pulls like a bull @ 370k miles. It’s served me well and I wouldn’t hesitate to have one in my next Ram.
Hey brother, how's the truck still coming along for hotshot?? I just recently bought a 2021 ram 3500 for hotshot as well with the 65rfe. Is it still doing well,??
Very informative video!! Your videos are some of the most detailed videos out on RUclips. I really enjoy watching and gaining the knowledge I need in my search for a diesel truck.
This was extremely helpful. I never took into account the maintenance or non towing differences between the two. For some reason, I know I should have but just was more concerned about the working numbers and experience than non. Taking into account I would presume the smoother ride of the rear coils vs the leafs of 2500 vs 3500 of the different models I am considering, this really helped in my decision making process! Big thumbs up 👍👍👍
Great video bud! I a Ford guy myself love the powerstroke and I also love the cummins thought about getting a ram because if need be they are more friendly to the DIY guy imo,haven’t had any major problems with my Ford. I do have a cummins 15L isx in my 18 wheeler, I have 954,340 miles will have about 1.3-1.4 million by year end and the engine is still stout,if you could t see the mileage you’d think it was brand new.
Thanks for sharing/watching! You are correct in that regard and dealing with inline is far easier than a V. The ISX Cummins is ridiculous and far more superior in comparison to the 6.7 but I have heard of quite a few hotshots getting 500k problem free without deleting 👍🏾
Complicated is an F150 with 6 engine choices and 2 different generators! I agree with the 140lbs of extra payload.That's 2 butts that live off of Krispy Kreme donuts weight penalty free, 68rfe for the win. No wonder the Duramax does so well with the 10 speed. Great content, thanks for taking the time to put this together.
I find this helpful. I’m in the market for a Cummins in the next year or so and between a 68RFE and AISIN is where I’m at at the moment. I’m coming from 6 years just daily driving a 6.4 with the 66RFE. Flat lands it’s okay but feels completely gutless driving with load in the bed and up and downhill a reason I want a diesel to keep a long time as well. My question for you is on a long term, having no experience to diesels myself, will the Aisin AS69RC be a better transmission aside from the obvious bragging rights?
JB I took my truck to the dealer and talked to them about a transmission service and honestly they told me if I’m not having trouble DONT do it and that was at 86,000 miles. They told me drive it because sometimes changing fluids can affect things that’s put of their control. So then I went to a well known transmission shop and they told me the exact same thing.
Follow the owners manual, if they tell you every 30k, I would do it 100%. Just did mine last week and trasmission is smoother! Keep in mind not to flush it just drain and replace fluid 👍🏾
After having a Tundra for the past 11 years & 186k miles with at least 20k+ towing, they know why they’re doing with transmissions. Absolutely no issues. FCA transmission track record, not so much. The closest I could get to a 1 ton in a Toyota, so I made the switch to an HO Mega 2020 in December. It’s awesome.
I was struggling between 2500 and 3500 and along with the 3500, standard vs HO. I went with a 2500 since I’m towing relatively light (10k as of today) and likely won’t go much higher than 14-15k in the future. Since this is my daily driver I went for more comfort unloaded. Crossing my finger that I don’t regret the choice, my main complaint for RAM is the relatively low payload on their 3/4 tons.
I intended to go with the 2500 too, until I discovered the 2500 Limited I wanted only had a payload of 1686#. Not a 5th wheel around that will work with that small of payload except some of the real small ones. Ended up with the HO 3500 Limited and haven't regretted it for a minute.
@@oldnumber6 I really like the 3500 Limited. It tows my 16,000 lb 5th wheel toy hauler like a dream. It does squat just a bit more than I’d like, but not enough to be any concern, and the towing power is way more than ample. The truck is very comfortable empty or towing, and just does everything with ease and no drama. The exhaust brake is incredible and will handle the trailer down long steep grades with hardly a touch of the brakes. Overall the truck is fantastic! The Aisan transmission is a bit of a dinosaur compared to some of the new offerings from Ford and GM, but I didn’t buy the truck to race, and I have a hard time believing the new transmissions will have the longevity under heavy use that the Aisan has proven! I have about 20,000 miles on it now with probably 80% of those miles towing and I wouldn’t trade it for anything else on the market.
@@razorsedgeadventures6599 I really appreciate your review. We are also towing a toy hauler that maxes out at about 15K and I know that the high output and heavy duty trans is overkill, but the truck will also be used for business. I completely agree that Ford and GM have more modern transmissions, but in my experience they seem to burn out faster. I am definitely looking forward to getting behind the wheel of this truck!
JB as always great video, great information. Both engines are great and both transmissions are great as long as you use them as intended. 261,987.5 on the clock on my 2011 Ram 2500 with zero issues.
Some of the same people saying the 68RFE can’t stand up are the same people that Hot Rod their trucks and complaining their truck is a POS. IMO when you abuse your truck it will not last. Use your truck as intended, do your maintenance and you shouldn’t have an issue. I tow a 40’ FR Toy Hauler with no issues what so ever. As always JB you put out great information, please keep it up.
Thanks, if you plan on getting a commercial license and plan on towing heavy and exceeding that GCWR of 26001#, I would go for a cab/chassis, that way you don’t have to limit yourself on your loads ( and income) when choosing a job. If you want something you can daily, the RAM 3500 HO dually would be my choice 👍🏾
Ok everyone. I am look at moving into the 3500 from my 2007 hemi. I live in Utah and I tow a 24 ft trailer up hill. Can the 68fre manage the power to double pull 10,000lbs up some steep grades? I only tow for camping and house projects not for work/daily
as i am researching and finding different information videos for mainly dodge trucks with the cummins, you answered some questions i have. i took out 2 trucks last weekend, one being 4x2 (2018, SO) other 4x4 (3500 2015, SO long bed) and all i could think didn't have the same feeling as when bought new 2006 2500 4x4 (HO 5.9 24 valve) feeling like had lots more power. of course maint cost i have been thinking of and heard the 6.7's don't get as good as the 5.9's did. i won't be towing all that much, so need make a 2k mile trip each way with 24' with 3'Vnose enclosed trailer and when loaded expect it to be 12k or bit more in weight and seen some mods that can be done with the SO to be as good as the HO and improve mileage some. now is matter of being able to afford the truck.
Thanks for an awesome review.. I think I want a Ram 2500 with the 68RFE for an overland/travel trailer truck. I'm also considering the new tundra? Any opinion on my choices?
@@JB_WhoWork the rumor is the V8 is gone globally due to fuel economy and emissions so most likely V6 twin turbo or V6 hybrid from the lexus lineup. I guess we will know in September when they officially release everything.
Nice! I like the driving comparison. There’s another thing called duty cycle. There is probably zero RVers that are towing less than 16,000 lbs that “need” a HO. You would save serious money, fuel mileage and maintenance costs will be be in your favor with the SO. I believe the HO is starting to separate itsself out as a commercial truck.
Great video! I am in position to purchase a new vehicle. I want a RAM 2500, but a lot of the techs at my local dealer are telling me to buy the 6.4L HEMI over the Cummins. I would only tow on occasion (6x12 trailer with two motorcycles). My dealer claims that the Cummins isn't built for daily driving and my maintenance expense would be to high. I don't know what I'm going to do, but I appreciate this video with the breakdown of transmission maintenance cost. Love your channel!
Thanks Jeff! A diesel is fine for daily driving but not so great for city driving due to the emissions especially the DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter). A 6.4L HEMI is a great alternative especially with the 8 speed but it comes down to personal preference 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork Thank you! I believe that’s what my local dealers technicians were trying to convey to me. That’s makes more sense now. I don’t want to deal with DPF issues so I will go the 6.4L route. Thank you sir! 🙏🏼
I loved my 17 2500 Cummins, expect I didn't like the 68rfe. I hated the way it took forever to lock the tq converter, and likes to unlock when down shifting and such. The aisin spends most of its time with the tq converter locked. A truck isn't putting down good power to the wheels when tq converter is unlocked. Honestly I believe a guy won't truly understand how much better the aisin is until they have spent lots of time towing heavy loads and packing that weight up and down grades through places like idaho, Utah, Wyoming, and Colorado to name a few. I've spent lots of time driving both my 17 2500 and my grandpa's new 2020 with the aisin. Love the aisin trans and the way the tq converter works. Tried a 2021 f350 for about a month, nice truck, fast off the line, but still enjoy the ram better, so I just traded the 21 ford for a 21 ram aisin trans. I was in love just driving around town, can't weight to hook up to our 17000lb toy hauler. Also guys need to keep in mind that stopping these trucks with the weight they tow is also very important, in which the ram with a better exhaust brake and the aisin will be much more efficient at stopping a load. Biggest complaint I had with Ford, is it felt like it didn't want to stop. The exhaust brake on the ford is a joke, pretty much worthless.
For a reference. I'm a "GM"guy. Remember that when i tell y'all this. The new 10 speeds are falling apart!!! So much so that GM has STOPPED using theirs. Do NOT buy these trucks. If you get lucky with a GM and it doesn't fall apart on you. Get ready. You WILL take your transmission OUT at 150,000 miles. It's in the maintenance requirements. You will have to replace a belt for the motor that is between the motor and the transmission. This is in the half ton 3.0 diesel by the way. Ford is continuing their use of their 10 speed. Again, I'm a GM guy. I've owned about 7 of them. 2 dodges. 1 Ford. So, there you go guys. Good luck! And, God video
Great to know about tranny, really shopping. The information you give really helps decisions to which one to purchase. With changing back to CP3 makes a different in 2021 RAM
I’ll put my input here is my pay, the Aisin definitely puts the power when asked for. The 3500 we picked up two weeks ago just pulls. I’ll put it up against anything out there power wise.
Nice video, as always. But you don’t just make the decision based off how many times you tow per year. It’s also the weight. I may only tow 5-6 times a year, but I tow 19.5k lbs. That rules out the 68RFE.
Thanks for sharing, if you’re towing 19k, a SRW 3500 LB 68RFE can definitely tow that (20,000+ towing capacity) but I would consider a dually at those weights for sure 👍🏾
I tow 19000 lbs with my 2021 3500 4x4 single rear wheel 370 horse power and up in the hills keep it in direct drive 4th gear. At 55mph it is at 1800 rpms and the starting of 850 torque band .when it blows up my transmission guys will put kavlar clutches and all billet part's with upgrading bearings. He builds ram automatic transmissions for truck pulling and racing.
I'm a non cdl hotshotter that runs a 2500 with the 6.7. I wish everyday I would have known to get a SRW 3500 derated to 10k gvwr with the HO 6.7 combo. Pay the extra money for the stronger and more powerful truck unless it's just a daily driver.
Nice breakdown for people interested in a Cummins. My opinion is I think a lot of pencil whipping goes into some of these numbers (tow and power). I think there has to be certain situations before you truly get the advertised power. This is just my opinion but there never seems to be a leap in performance (0-60, 1/4 mile etc) even though you have sometimes big leaps in power. All three brands limit torque in at least 1st gear in 2500s. GM gives you full power in 3500s I reckon but like my truck for example doesn’t even start out in 1st gear unless you are in tow haul mode. And then they limit the torque. I’m pretty sure I don’t get full torque until 3rd gear. As for the 10 speed Allison, it is built in house by GM but GM owned Allison for years and years and they say this transmission is validated by Allison engineers. So I don’t think too much about that. I have read the 6 speed Allison 1000 was also the limiting factor as to why GM didn’t have as good as tow numbers as Ford and Ram. As for Ford, I don’t think the HD transmissions are a joint effort. The light duty 10 speeds in Camaro/Mustang, Silverado 1500/F150 are definitely jointly built with just software differences mainly. And maybe the HD versions are too but they have never said that. Nice video again. These are things a lot of people don’t consider.
Good stuff! One thing I noticed is that Torque management isn’t as noticeably in the Ford/GM trucks mainly because they are V8’s and don’t have as much lag. Someone else mentioned that Ford/GM didn’t co-develop the Ford 10R140 but I also don’t really see where it’s built or stating otherwise but I could be wrong which isn’t a surprise lol! Thanks for sharing Matt 👍🏾
I don’t truly know either about the HD transmissions. Both Ford and GM have been open about co developing the light duty transmissions (also the 9 speed for front drive based platforms) but neither have really mentioned the HD’s. Especially GM because they are adamant that it’s “Allison branded”. I have driven a 2020 Ram with the standard Cummins several times (a friend of mine has one). It seems fine to me. Diesels are just a different type of power to begin with but i didn’t think it felt underpowered or anything like that. Maybe it’s because they don’t have as much torque management. I just think that with the torque management on the HO Cummins you’re getting a lot closer to the standard Cummins 850 or 860 foot pounds of torque in 1st gear and up until a certain speed. I think that’s why the power difference is just not as noticeable without being side by side and/or with a sophisticated timing system (like a race track). The same is true for Ford and GM though so I don’t see it as being a big deal. 860, 910, 1000, 1050 or 1075 I mean none of them are hurting for power and when i started driving the diesels “only” made around 450 or so torque and GM basically didn’t even try to compete and stuck with big block gas engines that made about 430 or so torque as their go to engine in HD trucks.
Great video JB. Very nice breakdown on the two options. I recently have heard Ford has had a couple of 10 speed failures but I haven't seen anything in writing on that. I honestly feel all three trucks manufacturers do great but I do believe the Ram the best.
How do you know the difference on that dodge payload chart between srw or drw? It shows all srw's, then search inventory and some are drw's..Why the do that, no idea.
When towing, my Aisin transmissions definitely feel and shift better. When empty, my brothers Ram with the 68RFE shifts way better. I also find that my 5500 with 4.88 gears the transmission doesn’t shutter under heavy loads when taking off from a stop compared to my 3500 with 3.42 gears, it seems to shutter through the first 2 gears until you start picking up speed.
@@JB_WhoWork shutter as in driveline shutter. Usually happens on trucks that are geared high and with all the torque it caused vibrations that make the whole truck shake when trying to get the load moving. Once in motion it’s gone. Lower gear ratios usually help and allows the wheels to start turning easier and doesn’t allow the torque to load up.
@@JB_WhoWork Suncoast, Firepunk, and Revmax all build great 68RFE transmissions that can handle up to 900 horse power. Revmax sells a built AS69RC, but the product description explains why the AS69RC can't be built to handle as much power as a built 68RFE.
Here is a kicker question. Is the 11.8 aam axle different on the 2019 and up trucks from the 2013-2018 trucks? I am trying to make my own "diesel power wagon." I want to add diff locks, but none of the companies have tried to put their lockers in the 4.5 gen rams yet
I could be wrong but base off of the ratings the axles could have differences. I would go to your RAM parts store and see if they have different part numbers 👍🏾
Allison is extremely tried and true. I believe its the best transmission for diesel pickups out there. The problem to me is this: its connected to a GM truck. Just leaves me cold.
Nice video, from what I know 68RFE transmission overdrive clutches are not suitable even for Low Output Diesel Models! Toyota/Aisin/BorgWarner etc, Transmissions in the 3500 Models! The Transmission holds maybe 28% torque it's significantly larger than 68RFE. Bottom line is you 68RFE owners you better be prepared for a pricey upgrade! You thought 48RE Junk! 68 RFE Worse.
Not sure what's so hard. The HO has a max tow and the standard has a max tow. Go with what you need or, as I like to say, go big or go home. Unless things have changed, you can only get the HO with the AISIN. Doesn't really leave you much to decide honestly other than trip package. I bought used and didn't have much of a choice. I ended up with the standard output but, I would rather have the 68RFE anyway than the Aisin due to tuning capability. But, had I had the option and bought new instead of used, I would have gotten the HO.
I know Dodge and they might have improve the transmission but Aisin is the ONLY transmission I would get. I guess, I say this since my 2001 Dodge transmission went out first thing, hauling my truck camper. Great video and yes, you are right Japan builds these transmissions.
JB SIR I really appreciate your knowledge and willingness to share it. Is there a place on mopar that I can put in my vin and find out the specs. I have a 2016 3500 SRW and I tow my 5th wheel with it. I’ve had it three years and so far I’m very happy.
JB, Love your videos! I have a 2500 Ram 6.4 Hemi and am considering upgrading to 3500 diesel. I am taking a big trip out west next year - probably 8 to 10000 miles. My camper is not big, its a 28' fifth wheel with a loaded weight of 9240# (Cat Scale numbers). It seems to me the standard Cummins with 68RFE is more than sufficient. Would I benefit much more with this kind of weight with a HO and Aisin? I dont ever plan on a much bigger fifth wheel. Thanks for any input!
Thanks! The 68RFE is much more reliable than what it was in the past and I felt like mine always pulled strong when I had it. On that note, I’ve seen guys pull close to 18k with a standard Cummins without issues and I met a guy who owned a 2016 RAM 2500 MegaCab with over 400k miles on a standard Cummins/68RFE. That was with a tune. If you go back to the beginning of my post, you will find the video 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork I pulled the trigger yesterday. Brought home a 2022 High Output long bed. Wow - amazing truck. Brand new and got 22 MPG from Aberdeen to Rock Hall. Your videos played a big part in my decision!
Our 2016 Ram 3500 Mega dually with the 68RFE pulls our 15k fifth wheel all over the Smoky Mts and the coast over 8000 miles a year. At 119,000 miles the only issue has been a cracked coolant jug. This is my 3rd Cummins. One 48 trans and two 68 trans and no issues. Trucks are stock and I don't abuse them.
I had been looking since the summer for the right Ram truck. I’ve owned and driven many for work and really liked them. After getting to drive a 3/4 ton Cummings and an HO across the Liberty Road bridge ( in really rough shape) and around here I stopped down at Preston Ford and asked if I could try a F250 they just got in. My wife and I both agreed the ride was better, it felt more solid and I liked the seats and interior just as good, plus it didn’t have those dang stupid mirrors. Been following you for a long time, keep up the good work. When can I come hook it up to your Cougar so you can compare like you did the Chevy?
I'll not purchase another truck with the 68RFE again. My experience: 06 5.9 with the 68RFE @ 132,000 miles exploded so extreme, taking out the Torque Converter with the forward pressure wiping out the crankshaft bearings side walls when pushing the crankshaft forward. Wiped out my entire power system. (Engine, Trans, Converter.) The mechanic showed me the trans shaft that was non-existing at that point. The Aisen I have now in my deleted 14 is strong at this time. I'll se with the new 44' fifth wheel though. A friend has just under 500,000 miles on his 5.9 but on his 4th transmission. Bad luck for both of us? I don't know. Too risky a chance to me though.
'18 RAM 3500 Cummins w/G56 stick shift owner here. I knew NOTHING of trucks when I got mine. In retrospect, I'd never consider anything but an HO Aisin!
You have the best truck money can buy! If you sell that you better price it like it’s a collector! I tried to but a 2013 but it literally sold after it was traded...
More torque, at lower RPM with the HO and Aisin generally would be more economical if it had the same gear ratios as the 68RFE. HO and Aisin less economical on lower gears, but once you get up to 4/5/6 the gearing is the same as the 68RFE. So - pulling power at low RPM - Aisin wins but is less economical. Highway driving or less 'start/stop' the Aisin should be more economical, even if you factor in the additional weight of the Aisin. A good test would be two identical 3500's one with HO and one without, and add the 150 odd pounds into the non HO truck (both trucks weigh about the same now), and do a MPG test without trailer, and then with the trailer. This should be interesting to see which motor and gearbox is more economical MPG wise. There are other factors too, low compression/high compression ratios of the std vs HO, and also the turbo boost pressure of the std vs HO. It gets quite technical, but - a real world test can put that aside. I am also building out my order for my 3500, but I will keep researching and am in no rush. Like your reviews man, keep them coming. Would love to see some off-load videos, and maybe some suspension articulation / flex differences between the spring vs air suspension.
Thanks for your insight! The lower gear ratios in 4/5/6 made sense like you mentioned to be more economical but they were slightly higher on the GM/Ford variant although they drop in the higher gears. I’m not much of an off raider but if I find a spot for articulation I can start showing this 👍🏾
I'm still trying to get use to my Aisin, seems like it's in 4th gear going through an intersection. Yet once on the HWY, it feels like a pitbull on a leash. Have not towed anything yet, but it is weird as a daily driver.
Yea I can relate, that initial acceleration off the line is scary but if you need to get up and go out of an intersection, you can apply boost by holding the brakes and pushing the gas to build pressure in the turbo 👍🏾
One thing he forgot to mention is aftermarket. The aftermarket has come light-years in parts. The 68rfe can now be built to hold 800 or more horsepower and tow like an animal. The Aisin will never be able to hold the HP the 68 can now. The 68 is also superior in smooth shifting. If you want to keep stock and pull heavy the Aisin may be the way to go. If you want to mod your truck the 68 is the choice.
FYI there’s is multiple out there building aisin and it costs less to have a built aisin vs 68. Horsepower for same horsepower. No one’s going to take a 68 passed 1000 not an aisin. If they are they’re 48 swapping it.
Not sure you’re aware, Aisin and Allison transmissions have shared technology in the past as well. I remember reading an article in diesel power mag several years ago stating that.
Super information JB. I am glad I have a the Allison in my 2018 GMC and not the GM/Ford built in house branded Allison transmission. Thanks JB for the information. I am not to sure about the Chrysler built transmission. I would have to get the Aisin.
Yea your towing about 15k so I would recommend going Aisin. It’s definitely reliable but hopefully when you’re ready, they will have more gears! Thanks for sharing Ric 👍🏾
Ford and GM went together and designed the transmissions in the F150 and 1500 BUT NOT THE HD TRUCKS that is a Totally different transmission. Also Allison isn’t going to allow their name to be on the hood of a truck if they didn’t think it is a good transmission. Even tho Allison isn’t making the transmission in house they still looked over the specs and gave it they’re approval. Same way an engineer won’t put his stamp of approval on plans for a Big project if he doesn’t think the structure will hold up to wind .
@@arlynmartin91 Exactly!! I wish people would do their research on stuff before talking about it. there's even a video on here of the engineer saying when introducing the "Allison" 10 speed that {GM and Allison were working back and forth between each other for a few years on this 10 speed developing it}. And like you said there's no way Allison would've let GM use their name on the sides of their trucks if they hadn't had a big part of this co-development for that's a big part of their reputation on the line. All I know is I own a 2021 Chevy High Country dually and that 10 speed has been absolutely flawless they definitely did their homework and programming right. Before going with the Chevy I did go test drive a 2020 Ram 3500 dually Cummins HO/Aisin and even though the Aisin has proven to hold up to the Cummins it definitely needs to have some more time spent in the programming/tuning department...
@@dustintilton7920 that sounds like a sweet truck. We didn’t need to go that heavy so my company opted for a 21 LTZ 2500 with the duramax. I think we got everything but the sunroof and it is so sweet I love everything about it. And yes right at 12k miles and almost no trouble so far. The one issue I did have was with the def heater at 1k miles probably defective part but they replaced it and no trouble since.
Man, All this transmission talk can get complex quick. I was going to get a 2500 but for an extra 2795 I could get the higher HP Cummins (50 more HP) and the Aisin Trans. So without test driving either of them I just ordered the 3500. I tow a 6k pound trailer (18' race car hauler) everyday for my job. About 150 miles a day. I hope I made the right choice. I'm super excited for my 2022 Ram 3500 Mega cab Limited night edition to get here.
I would be very surprised if they use the Allison behind the gas engine. I could see them beef up the 10 speed in the half tons before they add the Allison
So I have a 2020 ram 3500 dually and I found out today I have the aisin transmission so just to make sure since I have the aisin transmission that means I have the high output Cummins?
What is the point of offering two different engine/transmission combinations in this category? Ram needs to do like Ford and GM and just offer their most powerful engine when it comes to diesels.
Cummins is just awesome at having an engine for all applications, so the fact these are different is no big deal for Cummins. We use them in many applications and Cummins is able to bring a Utility level product into direct competition and win against Commercial grade equipment. Their flexibility is something to watch. It makes for Ford and GM to have many headaches on-a go forward basis.
Let’s see $2800 cheaper; cheaper cost to maintain; better fuel mileage versus bragging rights. I’ve had both. I think maybe 1-1.5 better mpg. Most people will never use the capability of the HO.
I came from a 2015 2500 6.4 Hemi Laramie with the coil spring rear suspension to a 2019 3500 HO Limited Cummins/Aisin, and I think the empty ride quality is very close between the two.
I wonder if the Lag you are talking about has something to do with the HO TURBO 🤔 Does it just come in different to help keep the rear tires glued to the pavement? Lol I had an 03 so no emissions 3500 crew longbox. It had 38×13.50 tires and it would smoke them with ease 🤗 Lol
Nice video, & a great breakdown! I absolutely love my 2020 RAM CrewCab 3500 Cab Chassis with Max Tow, 4.10's, 6.7 non HO, Aisin. I put a Bradford Built steel flat work-bed on it, now it rides like a smooth working man's truck- no more harsh ride, & it tows like a river barge!
@@JB_WhoWork The bed weighs 1765 lbs. approx. I cannot believe how different the ride is versus having nothing out back. Looking into grill guards and winch bumpers for the front soon. Great channel!👍
68rfe is a good transmission except for the valve body. You can get a bulletproof replacement for a few hundred or a full bullet from revmax for 1000. Also, many people don't follow the "heavy duty" maintenance cycle for the 68rfe which is fluid and filter change every 20k miles. People who have their power tuned up, run bigger tires, go off road, or tow regularly fall into this category. 90% of diesel owners fall into this category yet 10% actually perform this maintenance
@@JB_WhoWork hi jb, so heres my question. I am currently finding a lot of trucks with Aisin transmission only. How much of an mpg difference have you experienced? You said its shifting better now than before the adjustments you took. Do you recommend letting the mechanic do the adjustment after i would buy the truck? Im concerned that its too much truck for what we need (90% commuting, 10% towing). Im also wondering you said its a stiff ride and i can agree. If it doesmt have any air suspension are there any suspensions you recommend for making it a smoother ride? I am spending about 10h in the truck each week and get easily back problems. Let me know what you think. Thanks again for all your videos.
Though I have no need for a 1 ton truck, I like your viewpoint on the 2 transmissions. That said, I feel the service intervals on the 68rfe should be similar to the aisin, honestly. Clean trans fluid makes for a longer lasting transmission. :)
Great video and very informational. I like the $ break down on service and use. I never thought of that. Do you have a Class A Commercial or Non-Commercial license? If I upgrade to a bigger truck, looks like I will need to get a Class A to tow above 10K. Thanks for any information you can provide. Stay safe.
Thanks! I do not because both trailers I own keep me under 26000#’s. I believe cargo trailers over 10k require a non commercial License but every state is different 👍🏾
So my only problem with your review is that - I don't give a crap about towing capacity. My concern is PAYLOAD CAPACITY. When you haul a heavy truck camper - camper plus people plus cargo and it is north of 5000 pounds - do I need the Aisin or don't I? I currently have an 07 Ford F350 dually with a 4.30 rear end and 4819 pounds payload capacity. I like the higher end payload of 5500+ possibilities with still retaining the Cummins diesel engine. Again, not sure if it makes a difference with transmissions offered by RAM. What do you say? Thanks in advance!
Hi I bought the 2019 ram Laramie 3500. I have done all maintenance on it. Right now it needs the whole fuel replaced because of metal shavings in the fuel line. Has anyone else had this issue that you know of. Its at a dealership right now. We tow our house with it. Any suggestions on what I can do?
Sounds like your cp4 pump has failed. Expensive fix if it was out of warranty so you're lucky there. Contamination kills cp4's. You need a fass or airdog filter and lift pump to keep the fuel clean.
Why aisin Transmission last longer it's because of more frequent fluid change. 68rfe doesn't last long because of fluid change intervals. Factory atf fluid is only good for 40k miles. Verified via fluid analysis
@@JB_WhoWork you or I can edit any Wikipedia page. Usually not 100% correct information. But the ford/gm did co develope 9 and 10 speed transmissions used in SUVs Cars and half ton trucks
When I retire from the military I plan on towing a fifth wheel trailer with a 3500 with the Aisin. It won’t be for about 5 years so maybe by then there will be a better option, but I don’t know since Ford and GM’s trannies aren’t proven and 10 gears means there is a lot more small parts to mess up faster. Either way I’m really curious to see how bad an Aisin feels without a load behind it. From what everyone has said, pretty bad lol
The gear ratios differences between the 68rfe and the Aisin you showed are minimal. There isn't any significant difference in forward gears. The 68rfe actually has a way better reverse gear. The difference you feel in power likely has to do with the high output engine and nothing to do with the transmission.
Nice video...I bought a 19 and like a month afterwards found out about the HO and aisin...I deleted the truck in 2020 and loved it bit my 09 6.7 was better deleted...unfortunately tho I hit a cow on 2/28/22 and had to custom order a new truck which should be done in September at the earliest...have you or anyone you know deleted their HO with the aisin...my new truck will have the aisin and HO cummins...I pull a 43ft 5th wheel at least 3 times a year as I travel for work all over the west coast...if you or anyone has deleted the HO please send me links or if I end up doing mine first I'll try to upload b4 and afters
Didn't know that about the service life or about how GM and Ford came together to build their 10 speed. Interesting to both. I have a bad taste in my mouth with Chrysler designed transmissions due to all the issues I've had with them haha so I'd lean aisin but now idk. Seems like transmissions will always be the downfall of these trucks. I miss the good ol manuals haha. Oh and by the way, the number of cylinders doesn't affect the capability of putting down the power. I'd guess the lag you're feeling is more due to tuning than anything. Trust me, these engines have a huge capability for making power haha. Just as much as the v8s, if not more due to online design. Awesome channel! Just found you. Subbed. Peace buddy :)
Yea if you want a G56 Cummins, you can’t wait long when they come available because I tried to review two of them and they sold before they even hit the lot! The transmissions from RAM/family have gotten a lot better and don’t hear too much issues but I’m sure bad apples will show their head... thanks for the sub 👍🏾
Changing fluid in 68rfe per factory recommended intervals is the cause transmission problem and bad reputation. Atf fluid is only good for 40k miles max
Another really good review. Your “opinion” about the Aisin transmission makes sense. I have the 68RFE and tow a 25ft boat cabin cruiser on the weekends during the summer and it pulls fine out of the hole and at highway speed. Sounds like the Aisin would be for hauling construction equipment as opposed to recreational hauling
Thanks bro, the Aisin is just rough and not ideal for unloaded use primarily. It’s not terrible but it’s definitely not something I would choose to drive everyday unloaded 👍🏾
My farrier has a Chev 2500 diesel pickup with a heavy farrier body on it. His Allison has transmission 485,000 miles on it. Has followed the maintenance schedule religiously and nothing else. Still going strong. Amazing transmission. BTW he had to rebuild the engine at 425,000 miles at a cost of 12,000 dollars. Insanely great service life on the engine too.
Spot on! Coming from a 2018 Tradesman to a 2024 Laramie HO, that was the first thing I noticed. Way more lag on the Aisin ,and I'm wondering if it's the Transmission OR (food for thought) is it because the HO has a lower compression ratio to handle that 420HP and bigger boost that is causing that lag. Great Video!
I’m curious if ram will offer a ram 4500 with a factory bed in the future. Imagine that in a mega cab with the wide track front axle fender flare and the short bed that would be 👍
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I’d love to have a 4500 CTD with regular bed. As a full time RVer, that’d be awesome.
Yeah I looked at a limited 4500, and the spring pack was huge and I think the GVWR was like 16,500 lbs. You’d probably need to place a literal ton of stuff on it to not cause teeth problems while driving without a gooseneck loaded. Lol
Why that much truck and a baby bed that you can't haul anything in or tow a fifthwheel trailer 🤔
@@redbarron6574 cure? Kelderman air ride.
I like you're comparison. Good job. I have a 2014 RAM 2500 Cummins and love my truck. I pull a 16,000 lb 5th wheel trailer and this truck is a beast especially with a heavy load. It's a true work horse. It's creeping up on 200,000 miles and uses no engine oil. I do drain and refill the transmission fluid every 10K miles between filter changes to keep fresh transmission fluid. I've had no issues on this 68RFE transmission.
Thanks for sharing, I met a couple of guys now who do hotshot and they had the 68. 1 with over 300k and the other closing in on 450k no problems whatsoever and they don’t change their trans fluid as often as you but did do it as suggested 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork thanks for getting back to me in good response. I worked in a Dodge Dealership as Master tech for 28 years and seen what people don't do in regards to normal maintenance. Very expensive repairs. ATF+4 isn't cheap these days but cheaper than having to replace a transmission. My truck is all stock no mods. In my opinion I think that's good and feel that it isn't needed, have plenty of power.
I know this is an old video but I will be getting a standard output 2500 because I like the ride better of the 4 link coil rear suspension night and day difference I love your channel keep up the good work 😎👍
I pull hotshot 5 days a week up to 30k #’s. I service my 68RFE every 50k miles with filter change and she still pulls like a bull @ 370k miles. It’s served me well and I wouldn’t hesitate to have one in my next Ram.
Thanks for sharing this 👍🏾
Way over weight pulling 30,000Ib's in one of these pick up trucks
Hey brother, how's the truck still coming along for hotshot?? I just recently bought a 2021 ram 3500 for hotshot as well with the 65rfe. Is it still doing well,??
@@terryhenry8243 negative ghost rider. The truck is rated for 30k. It’s a dually.
@@outlawshitalldaygarcia8318 I traded for a new truck at 450k miles. It was still performing as it should. No issues
Thank you for you take on it. I've been back and forth about the choice for a hot minute. I appreciate your insight and honest input
Very informative video!! Your videos are some of the most detailed videos out on RUclips. I really enjoy watching and gaining the knowledge I need in my search for a diesel truck.
Thanks for sharing bro! I’m trying to do some more in-depth videos like this but finding the time is tough! Good luck on the search 👍🏾
Thank you, I'll definitely be waiting on more content.
This was extremely helpful. I never took into account the maintenance or non towing differences between the two. For some reason, I know I should have but just was more concerned about the working numbers and experience than non. Taking into account I would presume the smoother ride of the rear coils vs the leafs of 2500 vs 3500 of the different models I am considering, this really helped in my decision making process! Big thumbs up 👍👍👍
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You have awesome videos keep up the awesome job
Denis from Santa rosa California. I have joined your channel 1year ago
What kind of tires do you run run on your Ram ? What tires have you got the best mileage and traction with ?
Great video bud! I a Ford guy myself love the powerstroke and I also love the cummins thought about getting a ram because if need be they are more friendly to the DIY guy imo,haven’t had any major problems with my Ford.
I do have a cummins 15L isx in my 18 wheeler, I have 954,340 miles will have about 1.3-1.4 million by year end and the engine is still stout,if you could t see the mileage you’d think it was brand new.
Thanks for sharing/watching! You are correct in that regard and dealing with inline is far easier than a V.
The ISX Cummins is ridiculous and far more superior in comparison to the 6.7 but I have heard of quite a few hotshots getting 500k problem free without deleting 👍🏾
Complicated is an F150 with 6 engine choices and 2 different generators! I agree with the 140lbs of extra payload.That's 2 butts that live off of Krispy Kreme donuts weight penalty free, 68rfe for the win. No wonder the Duramax does so well with the 10 speed. Great content, thanks for taking the time to put this together.
😂😂😂😂😂😂! Man that is so true! Most of us should get the standard Cummins because we will never use the Aisin for its intended purpose 👍🏾
Very informative with no fluff. Excellent!
Nice break down . Going through all the gearing ratios was especially helpful .
I find this helpful. I’m in the market for a Cummins in the next year or so and between a 68RFE and AISIN is where I’m at at the moment. I’m coming from 6 years just daily driving a 6.4 with the 66RFE. Flat lands it’s okay but feels completely gutless driving with load in the bed and up and downhill a reason I want a diesel to keep a long time as well. My question for you is on a long term, having no experience to diesels myself, will the Aisin AS69RC be a better transmission aside from the obvious bragging rights?
JB I took my truck to the dealer and talked to them about a transmission service and honestly they told me if I’m not having trouble DONT do it and that was at 86,000 miles. They told me drive it because sometimes changing fluids can affect things that’s put of their control. So then I went to a well known transmission shop and they told me the exact same thing.
Follow the owners manual, if they tell you every 30k, I would do it 100%. Just did mine last week and trasmission is smoother! Keep in mind not to flush it just drain and replace fluid 👍🏾
I don’t tow all that often, but the AISIN is worth it. I love it and the piece of mind that comes with it.
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After having a Tundra for the past 11 years & 186k miles with at least 20k+ towing, they know why they’re doing with transmissions. Absolutely no issues. FCA transmission track record, not so much. The closest I could get to a 1 ton in a Toyota, so I made the switch to an HO Mega 2020 in December. It’s awesome.
I was struggling between 2500 and 3500 and along with the 3500, standard vs HO. I went with a 2500 since I’m towing relatively light (10k as of today) and likely won’t go much higher than 14-15k in the future. Since this is my daily driver I went for more comfort unloaded. Crossing my finger that I don’t regret the choice, my main complaint for RAM is the relatively low payload on their 3/4 tons.
Good stuff, thanks for sharing 👍🏾
I intended to go with the 2500 too, until I discovered the 2500 Limited I wanted only had a payload of 1686#. Not a 5th wheel around that will work with that small of payload except some of the real small ones. Ended up with the HO 3500 Limited and haven't regretted it for a minute.
@@razorsedgeadventures6599 How is the ride on that setup? I just ordered a 3500 SRW with the HO.
@@oldnumber6 I really like the 3500 Limited. It tows my 16,000 lb 5th wheel toy hauler like a dream. It does squat just a bit more than I’d like, but not enough to be any concern, and the towing power is way more than ample. The truck is very comfortable empty or towing, and just does everything with ease and no drama. The exhaust brake is incredible and will handle the trailer down long steep grades with hardly a touch of the brakes. Overall the truck is fantastic! The Aisan transmission is a bit of a dinosaur compared to some of the new offerings from Ford and GM, but I didn’t buy the truck to race, and I have a hard time believing the new transmissions will have the longevity under heavy use that the Aisan has proven! I have about 20,000 miles on it now with probably 80% of those miles towing and I wouldn’t trade it for anything else on the market.
@@razorsedgeadventures6599 I really appreciate your review. We are also towing a toy hauler that maxes out at about 15K and I know that the high output and heavy duty trans is overkill, but the truck will also be used for business. I completely agree that Ford and GM have more modern transmissions, but in my experience they seem to burn out faster. I am definitely looking forward to getting behind the wheel of this truck!
Another great video. Great information ! I talked myself out of a diesel but watching these videos I want one again.
Thanks Bill 🙏🏽
JB as always great video, great information. Both engines are great and both transmissions are great as long as you use them as intended. 261,987.5 on the clock on my 2011 Ram 2500 with zero issues.
Thank you JD! I’m glad you posted this because so many people think that the 68RFE can’t hold up but it definitely can 👍🏾
Some of the same people saying the 68RFE can’t stand up are the same people that Hot Rod their trucks and complaining their truck is a POS. IMO when you abuse your truck it will not last. Use your truck as intended, do your maintenance and you shouldn’t have an issue. I tow a 40’ FR Toy Hauler with no issues what so ever. As always JB you put out great information, please keep it up.
You did a good video I just bought a 2018 6.7 2500 very informative video thanks bud and hello from thunderbay Canada
Great info on this one, love the level of detail!
Thanks James, I have a lot of people asking about which one to buy so I figure now I can direct them to this video 🤘🏾
Great video and I would ONLY buy Asin Transmission. Japan built to last.
Hello excellent video. I want to start doing Hotshot this year, what truck do you recommend for this job? I really like having the 3500 RAM.
Thanks, if you plan on getting a commercial license and plan on towing heavy and exceeding that GCWR of 26001#, I would go for a cab/chassis, that way you don’t have to limit yourself on your loads ( and income) when choosing a job. If you want something you can daily, the RAM 3500 HO dually would be my choice 👍🏾
Ok everyone. I am look at moving into the 3500 from my 2007 hemi. I live in Utah and I tow a 24 ft trailer up hill. Can the 68fre manage the power to double pull 10,000lbs up some steep grades? I only tow for camping and house projects not for work/daily
as i am researching and finding different information videos for mainly dodge trucks with the cummins, you answered some questions i have. i took out 2 trucks last weekend, one being 4x2 (2018, SO) other 4x4 (3500 2015, SO long bed) and all i could think didn't have the same feeling as when bought new 2006 2500 4x4 (HO 5.9 24 valve) feeling like had lots more power. of course maint cost i have been thinking of and heard the 6.7's don't get as good as the 5.9's did. i won't be towing all that much, so need make a 2k mile trip each way with 24' with 3'Vnose enclosed trailer and when loaded expect it to be 12k or bit more in weight and seen some mods that can be done with the SO to be as good as the HO and improve mileage some. now is matter of being able to afford the truck.
Thanks for an awesome review.. I think I want a Ram 2500 with the 68RFE for an overland/travel trailer truck. I'm also considering the new tundra? Any opinion on my choices?
Appreciate it, I’m not sure what the Powertrain will be on the Tundra but once they unveil it, I will let you know!
@@JB_WhoWork the rumor is the V8 is gone globally due to fuel economy and emissions so most likely V6 twin turbo or V6 hybrid from the lexus lineup. I guess we will know in September when they officially release everything.
Nice! I like the driving comparison. There’s another thing called duty cycle. There is probably zero RVers that are towing less than 16,000 lbs that “need” a HO. You would save serious money, fuel mileage and maintenance costs will be be in your favor with the SO. I believe the HO is starting to separate itsself out as a commercial truck.
Great video! I am in position to purchase a new vehicle. I want a RAM 2500, but a lot of the techs at my local dealer are telling me to buy the 6.4L HEMI over the Cummins. I would only tow on occasion (6x12 trailer with two motorcycles). My dealer claims that the Cummins isn't built for daily driving and my maintenance expense would be to high. I don't know what I'm going to do, but I appreciate this video with the breakdown of transmission maintenance cost. Love your channel!
Thanks Jeff! A diesel is fine for daily driving but not so great for city driving due to the emissions especially the DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter). A 6.4L HEMI is a great alternative especially with the 8 speed but it comes down to personal preference 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork Thank you! I believe that’s what my local dealers technicians were trying to convey to me. That’s makes more sense now. I don’t want to deal with DPF issues so I will go the 6.4L route. Thank you sir! 🙏🏼
I loved my 17 2500 Cummins, expect I didn't like the 68rfe. I hated the way it took forever to lock the tq converter, and likes to unlock when down shifting and such. The aisin spends most of its time with the tq converter locked. A truck isn't putting down good power to the wheels when tq converter is unlocked.
Honestly I believe a guy won't truly understand how much better the aisin is until they have spent lots of time towing heavy loads and packing that weight up and down grades through places like idaho, Utah, Wyoming, and Colorado to name a few.
I've spent lots of time driving both my 17 2500 and my grandpa's new 2020 with the aisin. Love the aisin trans and the way the tq converter works. Tried a 2021 f350 for about a month, nice truck, fast off the line, but still enjoy the ram better, so I just traded the 21 ford for a 21 ram aisin trans. I was in love just driving around town, can't weight to hook up to our 17000lb toy hauler.
Also guys need to keep in mind that stopping these trucks with the weight they tow is also very important, in which the ram with a better exhaust brake and the aisin will be much more efficient at stopping a load.
Biggest complaint I had with Ford, is it felt like it didn't want to stop. The exhaust brake on the ford is a joke, pretty much worthless.
For a reference. I'm a "GM"guy. Remember that when i tell y'all this. The new 10 speeds are falling apart!!! So much so that GM has STOPPED using theirs. Do NOT buy these trucks. If you get lucky with a GM and it doesn't fall apart on you. Get ready. You WILL take your transmission OUT at 150,000 miles. It's in the maintenance requirements. You will have to replace a belt for the motor that is between the motor and the transmission. This is in the half ton 3.0 diesel by the way. Ford is continuing their use of their 10 speed. Again, I'm a GM guy. I've owned about 7 of them. 2 dodges. 1 Ford. So, there you go guys. Good luck! And, God video
Thanks for sharing Tom 👍🏾
Thanks for sharing your information. Much appreciated 🙏
Great to know about tranny, really shopping. The information you give really helps decisions to which one to purchase. With changing back to CP3 makes a different in 2021 RAM
What’s you favorite pickup and why?
JB how do you choose between light electric, I mean why would you chose over the other???
Light electric is GVWR under 10k and heavy electric is GVWR 10k+
I’ll put my input here is my pay, the Aisin definitely puts the power when asked for. The 3500 we picked up two weeks ago just pulls.
I’ll put it up against anything out there power wise.
Thanks for sharing bro, your truck has the dump/plow so your pretty much under load all the time. You got your put in already for the season I bet 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork Yessir one the day after I received the plow, I had about 14 full hours of work, then about 4 today in Northern Baltimore. Heck of a RIG!
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Nice video, as always. But you don’t just make the decision based off how many times you tow per year. It’s also the weight. I may only tow 5-6 times a year, but I tow 19.5k lbs. That rules out the 68RFE.
Thanks for sharing, if you’re towing 19k, a SRW 3500 LB 68RFE can definitely tow that (20,000+ towing capacity) but I would consider a dually at those weights for sure 👍🏾
I’ve got a Silverado 3500 HD with a Cummins engine and Allison transmission and I haven’t had a single breakdown in 250,000 + miles heavy hauling
I tow 19000 lbs with my 2021 3500 4x4 single rear wheel 370 horse power and up in the hills keep it in direct drive 4th gear. At 55mph it is at 1800 rpms and the starting of 850 torque band .when it blows up my transmission guys will put kavlar clutches and all billet part's with upgrading bearings. He builds ram automatic transmissions for truck pulling and racing.
I'm a non cdl hotshotter that runs a 2500 with the 6.7. I wish everyday I would have known to get a SRW 3500 derated to 10k gvwr with the HO 6.7 combo. Pay the extra money for the stronger and more powerful truck unless it's just a daily driver.
Nice breakdown for people interested in a Cummins.
My opinion is I think a lot of pencil whipping goes into some of these numbers (tow and power). I think there has to be certain situations before you truly get the advertised power. This is just my opinion but there never seems to be a leap in performance (0-60, 1/4 mile etc) even though you have sometimes big leaps in power.
All three brands limit torque in at least 1st gear in 2500s. GM gives you full power in 3500s I reckon but like my truck for example doesn’t even start out in 1st gear unless you are in tow haul mode. And then they limit the torque. I’m pretty sure I don’t get full torque until 3rd gear.
As for the 10 speed Allison, it is built in house by GM but GM owned Allison for years and years and they say this transmission is validated by Allison engineers. So I don’t think too much about that. I have read the 6 speed Allison 1000 was also the limiting factor as to why GM didn’t have as good as tow numbers as Ford and Ram. As for Ford, I don’t think the HD transmissions are a joint effort. The light duty 10 speeds in Camaro/Mustang, Silverado 1500/F150 are definitely jointly built with just software differences mainly. And maybe the HD versions are too but they have never said that.
Nice video again. These are things a lot of people don’t consider.
Good stuff! One thing I noticed is that Torque management isn’t as noticeably in the Ford/GM trucks mainly because they are V8’s and don’t have as much lag.
Someone else mentioned that Ford/GM didn’t co-develop the Ford 10R140 but I also don’t really see where it’s built or stating otherwise but I could be wrong which isn’t a surprise lol! Thanks for sharing Matt 👍🏾
I don’t truly know either about the HD transmissions. Both Ford and GM have been open about co developing the light duty transmissions (also the 9 speed for front drive based platforms) but neither have really mentioned the HD’s. Especially GM because they are adamant that it’s “Allison branded”.
I have driven a 2020 Ram with the standard Cummins several times (a friend of mine has one). It seems fine to me. Diesels are just a different type of power to begin with but i didn’t think it felt underpowered or anything like that. Maybe it’s because they don’t have as much torque management. I just think that with the torque management on the HO Cummins you’re getting a lot closer to the standard Cummins 850 or 860 foot pounds of torque in 1st gear and up until a certain speed. I think that’s why the power difference is just not as noticeable without being side by side and/or with a sophisticated timing system (like a race track).
The same is true for Ford and GM though so I don’t see it as being a big deal. 860, 910, 1000, 1050 or 1075 I mean none of them are hurting for power and when i started driving the diesels “only” made around 450 or so torque and GM basically didn’t even try to compete and stuck with big block gas engines that made about 430 or so torque as their go to engine in HD trucks.
Great video JB. Very nice breakdown on the two options. I recently have heard Ford has had a couple of 10 speed failures but I haven't seen anything in writing on that. I honestly feel all three trucks manufacturers do great but I do believe the Ram the best.
Thanks David, I’ve heard of some failures locally but don’t know the extent of it either. Looking forward to seeing the true 5th gen 👍🏾
Does the 68rfe have a handy drain plug like the aisin? That makes the diy on the trans service much easier...
No, but you can change the pan out for one that does.
Excellent review! So much to know and you break it down nicely!
Thanks, it’s a lot to these trucks and it’s taken me a few years to get it down to a science 👍🏾
How do you know the difference on that dodge payload chart between srw or drw? It shows all srw's, then search inventory and some are drw's..Why the do that, no idea.
Great job as always! Keep up the good work.
Lots of good info in this one.. And yes, the Ram is a towing beast with the 68RFE. Thanks for the good video again.
Thanks for your feedback Kevin 👍🏾
When towing, my Aisin transmissions definitely feel and shift better. When empty, my brothers Ram with the 68RFE shifts way better. I also find that my 5500 with 4.88 gears the transmission doesn’t shutter under heavy loads when taking off from a stop compared to my 3500 with 3.42 gears, it seems to shutter through the first 2 gears until you start picking up speed.
Awesome info! When you say shutter, do you mean lose traction or tq curve seems to drop off?
@@JB_WhoWork shutter as in driveline shutter. Usually happens on trucks that are geared high and with all the torque it caused vibrations that make the whole truck shake when trying to get the load moving. Once in motion it’s gone. Lower gear ratios usually help and allows the wheels to start turning easier and doesn’t allow the torque to load up.
Maybe it’s complicated but what a great truck! I have the Aisin and HO diesel.
I agree! I’m glad it’s complicated because you know RAM did a lot of research/development to build these trucks for their intended purpose 👍🏾
I agree with everything you said, but one additional thing to consider is you can get a built 68rfe which will out tow a stock Aisin or a built Aisin.
Thanks, who builds it?
@@JB_WhoWork Suncoast, Firepunk, and Revmax all build great 68RFE transmissions that can handle up to 900 horse power. Revmax sells a built AS69RC, but the product description explains why the AS69RC can't be built to handle as much power as a built 68RFE.
Here is a kicker question. Is the 11.8 aam axle different on the 2019 and up trucks from the 2013-2018 trucks? I am trying to make my own "diesel power wagon." I want to add diff locks, but none of the companies have tried to put their lockers in the 4.5 gen rams yet
They use the same drive shafts but axles are probably different sense they have different weight ratings 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork darn it, so I have to wait for the locker companies to make new ones for the 4.5 gens ugh
I could be wrong but base off of the ratings the axles could have differences. I would go to your RAM parts store and see if they have different part numbers 👍🏾
Should I get a HO if I want to lift and put 40s on my truck?
I would go SO personally and just save the $3k you would spend for the Aisin and get a built 68RFE because I’m sure your gonna tune it
@@JB_WhoWork thx
Which year does the aisin as69rc comes in a ram 3500 ? I tow a lot up the mountains my 2500 isn't capable of 20,000 load any recommendation?
It’s been around for awhile, 2007 and later I believe 👍🏾
Love your channel. Been watching for a couple months. 👍👍
Thanks bro 👍🏾
Allison is extremely tried and true. I believe its the best transmission for diesel pickups out there. The problem to me is this: its connected to a GM truck. Just leaves me cold.
Nice video, from what I know 68RFE transmission overdrive clutches are not suitable even for Low Output Diesel Models! Toyota/Aisin/BorgWarner etc, Transmissions in the 3500 Models! The Transmission holds maybe 28% torque it's significantly larger than 68RFE. Bottom line is you 68RFE owners you better be prepared for a pricey upgrade! You thought 48RE Junk! 68 RFE Worse.
Not sure what's so hard. The HO has a max tow and the standard has a max tow. Go with what you need or, as I like to say, go big or go home. Unless things have changed, you can only get the HO with the AISIN. Doesn't really leave you much to decide honestly other than trip package. I bought used and didn't have much of a choice. I ended up with the standard output but, I would rather have the 68RFE anyway than the Aisin due to tuning capability. But, had I had the option and bought new instead of used, I would have gotten the HO.
Probably the biggest question I get from viewers so I figured I would break it down, thanks for sharing 👍🏾
I know Dodge and they might have improve the transmission but Aisin is the ONLY transmission I would get. I guess, I say this since my 2001 Dodge transmission went out first thing, hauling my truck camper. Great video and yes, you are right Japan builds these transmissions.
Thanks bro!
JB SIR I really appreciate your knowledge and willingness to share it. Is there a place on mopar that I can put in my vin and find out the specs. I have a 2016 3500 SRW and I tow my 5th wheel with it. I’ve had it three years and so far I’m very happy.
Thanks for the comment Nathan. There is a vin lookup for the window sticker:
windowstickerlookup.com/
JB, Love your videos! I have a 2500 Ram 6.4 Hemi and am considering upgrading to 3500 diesel. I am taking a big trip out west next year - probably 8 to 10000 miles. My camper is not big, its a 28' fifth wheel with a loaded weight of 9240# (Cat Scale numbers). It seems to me the standard Cummins with 68RFE is more than sufficient. Would I benefit much more with this kind of weight with a HO and Aisin? I dont ever plan on a much bigger fifth wheel. Thanks for any input!
Thanks! The 68RFE is much more reliable than what it was in the past and I felt like mine always pulled strong when I had it. On that note, I’ve seen guys pull close to 18k with a standard Cummins without issues and I met a guy who owned a 2016 RAM 2500 MegaCab with over 400k miles on a standard Cummins/68RFE. That was with a tune. If you go back to the beginning of my post, you will find the video 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork I pulled the trigger yesterday. Brought home a 2022 High Output long bed. Wow - amazing truck. Brand new and got 22 MPG from Aberdeen to Rock Hall. Your videos played a big part in my decision!
Our 2016 Ram 3500 Mega dually with the 68RFE pulls our 15k fifth wheel all over the Smoky Mts and the coast over 8000 miles a year. At 119,000 miles the only issue has been a cracked coolant jug. This is my 3rd Cummins. One 48 trans and two 68 trans and no issues. Trucks are stock and I don't abuse them.
Thanks for sharing this!!!
I had been looking since the summer for the right Ram truck. I’ve owned and driven many for work and really liked them. After getting to drive a 3/4 ton Cummings and an HO across the Liberty Road bridge ( in really rough shape) and around here I stopped down at Preston Ford and asked if I could try a F250 they just got in. My wife and I both agreed the ride was better, it felt more solid and I liked the seats and interior just as good, plus it didn’t have those dang stupid mirrors. Been following you for a long time, keep up the good work. When can I come hook it up to your Cougar so you can compare like you did the Chevy?
Thanks for sharing bob! Let me know if you have some time free next month! We can’t hook up the cougar but we can try out the race trailer!
I'll not purchase another truck with the 68RFE again.
My experience:
06 5.9 with the 68RFE @ 132,000 miles exploded so extreme, taking out the Torque Converter with the forward pressure wiping out the crankshaft bearings side walls when pushing the crankshaft forward.
Wiped out my entire power system. (Engine, Trans, Converter.)
The mechanic showed me the trans shaft that was non-existing at that point.
The Aisen I have now in my deleted 14 is strong at this time. I'll se with the new 44' fifth wheel though.
A friend has just under 500,000 miles on his 5.9 but on his 4th transmission.
Bad luck for both of us? I don't know. Too risky a chance to me though.
'18 RAM 3500 Cummins w/G56 stick shift owner here. I knew NOTHING of trucks when I got mine. In retrospect, I'd never consider anything but an HO Aisin!
You have the best truck money can buy! If you sell that you better price it like it’s a collector! I tried to but a 2013 but it literally sold after it was traded...
I wish they still made them. I’ve got an 06 mega 3500 with the G56, just ordered a HO with the Aisin. Would be amazing if I could still get manual.
More torque, at lower RPM with the HO and Aisin generally would be more economical if it had the same gear ratios as the 68RFE. HO and Aisin less economical on lower gears, but once you get up to 4/5/6 the gearing is the same as the 68RFE. So - pulling power at low RPM - Aisin wins but is less economical. Highway driving or less 'start/stop' the Aisin should be more economical, even if you factor in the additional weight of the Aisin.
A good test would be two identical 3500's one with HO and one without, and add the 150 odd pounds into the non HO truck (both trucks weigh about the same now), and do a MPG test without trailer, and then with the trailer. This should be interesting to see which motor and gearbox is more economical MPG wise. There are other factors too, low compression/high compression ratios of the std vs HO, and also the turbo boost pressure of the std vs HO. It gets quite technical, but - a real world test can put that aside.
I am also building out my order for my 3500, but I will keep researching and am in no rush.
Like your reviews man, keep them coming. Would love to see some off-load videos, and maybe some suspension articulation / flex differences between the spring vs air suspension.
Thanks for your insight! The lower gear ratios in 4/5/6 made sense like you mentioned to be more economical but they were slightly higher on the GM/Ford variant although they drop in the higher gears.
I’m not much of an off raider but if I find a spot for articulation I can start showing this 👍🏾
I would like to see You do a Video on Your truck with the Banks Pedal Monster running empty zero launches.
I'm still trying to get use to my Aisin, seems like it's in 4th gear going through an intersection. Yet once on the HWY, it feels like a pitbull on a leash. Have not towed anything yet, but it is weird as a daily driver.
Yea I can relate, that initial acceleration off the line is scary but if you need to get up and go out of an intersection, you can apply boost by holding the brakes and pushing the gas to build pressure in the turbo 👍🏾
One thing he forgot to mention is aftermarket. The aftermarket has come light-years in parts. The 68rfe can now be built to hold 800 or more horsepower and tow like an animal. The Aisin will never be able to hold the HP the 68 can now. The 68 is also superior in smooth shifting. If you want to keep stock and pull heavy the Aisin may be the way to go. If you want to mod your truck the 68 is the choice.
FYI there’s is multiple out there building aisin and it costs less to have a built aisin vs 68. Horsepower for same horsepower. No one’s going to take a 68 passed 1000 not an aisin. If they are they’re 48 swapping it.
Not sure you’re aware, Aisin and Allison transmissions have shared technology in the past as well. I remember reading an article in diesel power mag several years ago stating that.
I did not, thanks for sharing 👍🏾
Curious if you’ve tried out the Gen Y hitches and your thoughts on them!
I have not but maybe I will sense I’ve had others ask me the same thing 👍🏾
Just got The Boss and love it. I purchased the 10K, 10" drop. I've got a 6in BDS on my 2020 Ram Limited
I’ve had one from the beginning and man do they work. No more mule kick when going over a bridge
Super information JB. I am glad I have a the Allison in my 2018 GMC and not the GM/Ford built in house branded Allison transmission. Thanks JB for the information. I am not to sure about the Chrysler built transmission. I would have to get the Aisin.
Yea your towing about 15k so I would recommend going Aisin. It’s definitely reliable but hopefully when you’re ready, they will have more gears! Thanks for sharing Ric 👍🏾
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Ford and GM went together and designed the transmissions in the F150 and 1500 BUT NOT THE HD TRUCKS that is a Totally different transmission. Also Allison isn’t going to allow their name to be on the hood of a truck if they didn’t think it is a good transmission. Even tho Allison isn’t making the transmission in house they still looked over the specs and gave it they’re approval. Same way an engineer won’t put his stamp of approval on plans for a Big project if he doesn’t think the structure will hold up to wind .
@@arlynmartin91 Exactly!! I wish people would do their research on stuff before talking about it. there's even a video on here of the engineer saying when introducing the "Allison" 10 speed that {GM and Allison were working back and forth between each other for a few years on this 10 speed developing it}. And like you said there's no way Allison would've let GM use their name on the sides of their trucks if they hadn't had a big part of this co-development for that's a big part of their reputation on the line. All I know is I own a 2021 Chevy High Country dually and that 10 speed has been absolutely flawless they definitely did their homework and programming right. Before going with the Chevy I did go test drive a 2020 Ram 3500 dually Cummins HO/Aisin and even though the Aisin has proven to hold up to the Cummins it definitely needs to have some more time spent in the programming/tuning department...
@@dustintilton7920 that sounds like a sweet truck. We didn’t need to go that heavy so my company opted for a 21 LTZ 2500 with the duramax. I think we got everything but the sunroof and it is so sweet I love everything about it. And yes right at 12k miles and almost no trouble so far. The one issue I did have was with the def heater at 1k miles probably defective part but they replaced it and no trouble since.
Man, All this transmission talk can get complex quick. I was going to get a 2500 but for an extra 2795 I could get the higher HP Cummins (50 more HP) and the Aisin Trans. So without test driving either of them I just ordered the 3500. I tow a 6k pound trailer (18' race car hauler) everyday for my job. About 150 miles a day. I hope I made the right choice. I'm super excited for my 2022 Ram 3500 Mega cab Limited night edition to get here.
Congrats, you did well 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork I read rumors that the 2022 3500's will have a 10 speed Allison transmission. What say you??
I would be very surprised if they use the Allison behind the gas engine. I could see them beef up the 10 speed in the half tons before they add the Allison
So I have a 2020 ram 3500 dually and I found out today I have the aisin transmission so just to make sure since I have the aisin transmission that means I have the high output Cummins?
You didn’t clarify that when you purchased your truck?
@@Icutmetal in the winter of 2020 I purchased my truck
@@DieselBodyEDC And?
What is the point of offering two different engine/transmission combinations in this category? Ram needs to do like Ford and GM and just offer their most powerful engine when it comes to diesels.
They can’t because of the Aisin but I’m sure next gen they may head in that direction 👍🏾
Cummins is just awesome at having an engine for all applications, so the fact these are different is no big deal for Cummins. We use them in many applications and Cummins is able to bring a Utility level product into direct competition and win against
Commercial grade equipment.
Their flexibility is something to watch. It makes for Ford and GM to have many headaches on-a go forward basis.
Most people report 2mpg better with the standard output trucks. For some people that is a consideration.
Let’s see $2800 cheaper; cheaper cost to maintain; better fuel mileage versus bragging rights. I’ve had both. I think maybe 1-1.5 better mpg. Most people will never use the capability of the HO.
Good point, I assumed it would be better sense the boost is lower but never tested 👍🏾
How is the unloaded ride 2500 vs 3500? I'm going back and forth on the route I want to go.
I came from a 2015 2500 6.4 Hemi Laramie with the coil spring rear suspension to a 2019 3500 HO Limited Cummins/Aisin, and I think the empty ride quality is very close between the two.
@@razorsedgeadventures6599 I'll be coming from a 17 2500 Laramie 6.4
@@johnhighland4781 You won't be disappointed in the 3500
Nice job most knowledgeable gentleman.
I wonder if the Lag you are talking about has something to do with the HO TURBO 🤔 Does it just come in different to help keep the rear tires glued to the pavement? Lol
I had an 03 so no emissions 3500 crew longbox. It had 38×13.50 tires and it would smoke them with ease 🤗 Lol
I think it’s tq management more than anything 👍🏾
Nice video, & a great breakdown!
I absolutely love my 2020 RAM CrewCab 3500 Cab Chassis with Max Tow, 4.10's, 6.7 non HO, Aisin.
I put a Bradford Built steel flat work-bed on it, now it rides like a smooth working man's truck- no more harsh ride, & it tows like a river barge!
Nice!!! How much does the bed weigh? I believe 1500#’s does the trick for the c/c from what I’ve been told. Thanks for sharing 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork The bed weighs 1765 lbs. approx.
I cannot believe how different the ride is versus having nothing out back.
Looking into grill guards and winch bumpers for the front soon.
Great channel!👍
Man that’s gonna look sick! Thanks for sharing 👍🏾
I didn't think you could get the Aisin in the Standard Output Cummins, and I didn't think you could get 4.10 gears with the Aisin either...?
If you get the cab/chassis you can but it’s a detuned Cummins
68rfe is a good transmission except for the valve body. You can get a bulletproof replacement for a few hundred or a full bullet from revmax for 1000.
Also, many people don't follow the "heavy duty" maintenance cycle for the 68rfe which is fluid and filter change every 20k miles. People who have their power tuned up, run bigger tires, go off road, or tow regularly fall into this category. 90% of diesel owners fall into this category yet 10% actually perform this maintenance
Fact! I didn’t mentioned it, but on the maintenance schedule it showed something for police, fleet, and frequent towing schedule.
So after my dealer dumped me Im looking for a new used truck again. So im assuming the aisin has a lower mpg as well than the 68rfe?
That is correct
@@JB_WhoWork im learning so much from you and about trucks. This is amazing. Thank you!!
@@JB_WhoWork hi jb, so heres my question. I am currently finding a lot of trucks with Aisin transmission only. How much of an mpg difference have you experienced? You said its shifting better now than before the adjustments you took. Do you recommend letting the mechanic do the adjustment after i would buy the truck? Im concerned that its too much truck for what we need (90% commuting, 10% towing). Im also wondering you said its a stiff ride and i can agree. If it doesmt have any air suspension are there any suspensions you recommend for making it a smoother ride? I am spending about 10h in the truck each week and get easily back problems. Let me know what you think. Thanks again for all your videos.
What are you towing?
@@JB_WhoWork a horse trailer gvwr 9900. Dont have the horses yet😂 and they will be foals at the beginning.
The Ford and GM trucks have taller axle ratios 3:42. That's why they need the lower transmission gear ratios.
Though I have no need for a 1 ton truck, I like your viewpoint on the 2 transmissions. That said, I feel the service intervals on the 68rfe should be similar to the aisin, honestly. Clean trans fluid makes for a longer lasting transmission. :)
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You are one of milion people with common sense about having clean fluid and service intervals.
Great review and breakdown! Thanks
No problem Rodney 👍🏾
Great video, thanks, subscribed.
Thank you 👍🏾
Great review and I think your opinion is right on the money.
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Great video and very informational. I like the $ break down on service and use. I never thought of that. Do you have a Class A Commercial or Non-Commercial license? If I upgrade to a bigger truck, looks like I will need to get a Class A to tow above 10K. Thanks for any information you can provide. Stay safe.
Thanks! I do not because both trailers I own keep me under 26000#’s. I believe cargo trailers over 10k require a non commercial License but every state is different 👍🏾
So my only problem with your review is that - I don't give a crap about towing capacity. My concern is PAYLOAD CAPACITY. When you haul a heavy truck camper - camper plus people plus cargo and it is north of 5000 pounds - do I need the Aisin or don't I? I currently have an 07 Ford F350 dually with a 4.30 rear end and 4819 pounds payload capacity. I like the higher end payload of 5500+ possibilities with still retaining the Cummins diesel engine. Again, not sure if it makes a difference with transmissions offered by RAM. What do you say? Thanks in advance!
I mentioned in the video the standard Cummins gives you more payload and you can get a 4.10 rear with a RAM dually
Hi I bought the 2019 ram Laramie 3500. I have done all maintenance on it. Right now it needs the whole fuel replaced because of metal shavings in the fuel line. Has anyone else had this issue that you know of. Its at a dealership right now. We tow our house with it. Any suggestions on what I can do?
Sorry to hear... Not much you can do other than let them fix under warranty. Do you run any lubricator in the fuel system?
@@JB_WhoWork no I was not told that I should by the dealer.
Sounds like your cp4 pump has failed. Expensive fix if it was out of warranty so you're lucky there. Contamination kills cp4's. You need a fass or airdog filter and lift pump to keep the fuel clean.
@@obiwan2906a it was the fuel pump. It was so strong it tore metal shards thru the fuel system. Looks like a recall.
Waiting for the Allison.
Why aisin Transmission last longer it's because of more frequent fluid change.
68rfe doesn't last long because of fluid change intervals.
Factory atf fluid is only good for 40k miles. Verified via fluid analysis
Ford and Chevy co developed the 10speed in the half tons, not the 3/4 and 1 tons.
🤔 it was with the HD’s also
@@JB_WhoWork nope
@@reginaldcarter1730 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford-GM_10-speed_automatic_transmission
@@JB_WhoWork you or I can edit any Wikipedia page. Usually not 100% correct information. But the ford/gm did co develope 9 and 10 speed transmissions used in SUVs Cars and half ton trucks
I guess I can’t find the verbiage that the 10R140 is solely a FMC trans 👍🏾
Nail on the head Bro!
Thanks bro 🤘🏾
When I retire from the military I plan on towing a fifth wheel trailer with a 3500 with the Aisin. It won’t be for about 5 years so maybe by then there will be a better option, but I don’t know since Ford and GM’s trannies aren’t proven and 10 gears means there is a lot more small parts to mess up faster. Either way I’m really curious to see how bad an Aisin feels without a load behind it. From what everyone has said, pretty bad lol
Enjoyed your video and review 👍
Thank You 👍🏾
The gear ratios differences between the 68rfe and the Aisin you showed are minimal. There isn't any significant difference in forward gears. The 68rfe actually has a way better reverse gear. The difference you feel in power likely has to do with the high output engine and nothing to do with the transmission.
Nice video...I bought a 19 and like a month afterwards found out about the HO and aisin...I deleted the truck in 2020 and loved it bit my 09 6.7 was better deleted...unfortunately tho I hit a cow on 2/28/22 and had to custom order a new truck which should be done in September at the earliest...have you or anyone you know deleted their HO with the aisin...my new truck will have the aisin and HO cummins...I pull a 43ft 5th wheel at least 3 times a year as I travel for work all over the west coast...if you or anyone has deleted the HO please send me links or if I end up doing mine first I'll try to upload b4 and afters
Great video on a great topic!
Thank You!
Didn't know that about the service life or about how GM and Ford came together to build their 10 speed. Interesting to both. I have a bad taste in my mouth with Chrysler designed transmissions due to all the issues I've had with them haha so I'd lean aisin but now idk. Seems like transmissions will always be the downfall of these trucks. I miss the good ol manuals haha.
Oh and by the way, the number of cylinders doesn't affect the capability of putting down the power. I'd guess the lag you're feeling is more due to tuning than anything. Trust me, these engines have a huge capability for making power haha. Just as much as the v8s, if not more due to online design.
Awesome channel! Just found you. Subbed. Peace buddy :)
Yea if you want a G56 Cummins, you can’t wait long when they come available because I tried to review two of them and they sold before they even hit the lot!
The transmissions from RAM/family have gotten a lot better and don’t hear too much issues but I’m sure bad apples will show their head... thanks for the sub 👍🏾
Changing fluid in 68rfe per factory recommended intervals is the cause transmission problem and bad reputation. Atf fluid is only good for 40k miles max