Unfortunately when I saved all these songs I renamed them and placed them in folders on my computer. They are all free songs from RUclips so I’m sure you can find them!
JB Reviews dang its alr like I remember the song before somewhere but I forgot what’s it called either way it’s gonna be hard to find it lol btw you got a sub
Carlos Palaminos thanks! RV/Auto Dealer’s don’t understand the capacities and will dodge the questions about limits in exchange to move a unit. Not all but some are just there to make money but it still falls back on the consumer...
I have always been of the mindset more is better (towing capacity) within reason that is. But go shopping for the R.V. that you want and then buy the truck that can handle it with extra space to play with the numbers.
Just bought my first towing rig... a Ram 3500 with the intent of getting a TT or 5th-wheel later on. This helps me understand the limits so much better. Thank you!
Pay attention people. This guy knows what he is talking about. Know the numbers. Know the axle ratings, tire ratings, payload capacity, payload weight, towing capacity. If you go over on any of them, you are not safe. It's refreshing to see someone who gets it, because so many don't.
Really well done video and all the points you made are exactly the reason I just dumped our 3/4 ton hemi for a 1 ton diesel Ram. We are going to a fifth wheel in the future and, like you, don't want to be under trucked and over weight. More dealerships are getting truck guys in sales who understand towing and weight capacities. Its encouraging but the consumer ultimately is responsible for their decision. Travel safely!!
So glad I found this video. We are looking at trucks and 5th wheels and I was under the impression the Ram 2500 6.7 could handle it just fine. Thank you for this info.
Dude! You are singing my song!!!! I had that exact 2500 (mine was black). My heart dropped when I ran the numbers and saw it wouldn't do the job. Thank God Larry H Miller agreed to cancel the contract, and let us get Rambo.
This video just confirmed everything I figured out just before I almost bought a 2022 Ram Laramie 6.7L Diesel. I thought I wasn't seeing the numbers correctly. The dealers will tell you what you want to hear, but Payload was the one thing that kept coming back as an issue. I kept seeing low to mid 2000 lb ratings and finally searched and found a video for mid-size 5th wheels. Mid-Size 5th wheels are in the payload (hitch) range of 2350 lbs. Then add family, dogs and e-bikes and I am at 3200 lbs. Well I knew that didn't compute or I must have been missing something. JB hit every point that you need to understand to safely tow/carry a 5th wheel. I was fine if I bought a travel trailer but if I decided on buying a 5th wheel I was not. Thank you JB! Great video!
Everything you have said is the reason why I traded my 2500 for a 3500. No since in the risk. Even if someone pulls out in front of you and you cant stop they can put it back on you for being overloaded
Man, respect. It’s nice to hear younger generations being responsible. Good job on learning and paying attention. Most people think that if it will hold a trailer up, they are good to go. I like how you are thinking about consequences and what that could mean to your family. I just saw your video where you hooked up with you goose box and I was thinking that is not enough truck legally. Then I saw this video. Good call.
Another good video with good info. Most people with 2500s pulling fifth wheels are over their payload but refuse to admit it. They think since they have a diesel, it doesn't matter. That's not gonna hold up in court if things go bad. Also, can't tell you how many people in forums have told me they don't need a non-cdl license in the state of Texas. I've had to show them it's the law, any combination of truck and trailer GVWR that exceeds 26000 pounds requires a Class A non-cdl license. Not actual weight. GVWR of both combined. That's something you don't want to find out you need the wrong way.
In this example his cougar’s GVWR is 13900#. Adding a Ford F-350 with tow package GVWR of 12400# .. this example even with a single rear wheel (13900+12400) = 26300#. So even a single rear wheel with this 5th in some states would require a Class A non-cdl. Sounds to me that the respective departments of weight and standards offices are adopting the “leftist” approach of tax and frisk as a money grab to fill state budget gaps. Not to mention .. once you have a class A license and the insurance company picks up on that class change, many insurance companies impose higher premiums based license class types.
Great info.. GCVWR, GAWR, GVWR, Max Cargo Capacity and Max Tow Capacity are all info a truck buyer need to consider. My 2018 Ram 2500 with the 6.4L Hemi has a 3103 Lbs max payload capacity. That is why I bought it because I needed the cargo capacity vs the towing capacity for my 2050Lb Slide-in Truck Camper. Diesels can tow more but gas truck can carry more as general rule within the same class and Trims. One reason why I traded in my 2015 Ram 2500 Bighorn with the 6.7L Cummins as it only had a 2300 max cargo capacity. The simple math was 2050lbs + Me at 260lbs + 1 Pb&J sandwich and like 1 pair of dirty under ware = I was overweight! Never mind my wife, teen Kiddo and a 85 lb German Shepherd AND OTHER GEAR . You have earned a subscriber due to you having and sharing some common sense with "The Peoples". :) Also Capacity doesn't me Capability as one must balance the equation because GVWR, GAWR and GVWR are all finite! I am actually considering bumping up to a Ram 3500 with a 6.7L Cummins to get both more cargo and towing capacities for increasing my safety margin a bit. Also, I put in Timbrem Bump stops in the rear to reduce the rear squat and also sway ... but this NEVER doesn't increase rear GAWR...... EVER!!! Some people just don't get that.
This is spot on advice. If you can’t afford a 1 ton truck, you can’t afford a fifth wheel trailer. Accept that and buy something you can tow. And really, I would want a dually. Think about trying to control a 20,000 pound rig at 70mph when a back tire blows out.
Very good info! Lot people don't know about all the weights. RV dealers will pretty much lie to make that sale or won't tell you. I am a commercial license holder an have been for 20+ years. Very good video. How about a video of a Ram Cummins Tradesman dually numbers.
Jim Sjostrom thanks and you are correct about dealers. Their main Goal is to help you buy something. I will keep my eye out for one and will do a run down of the numbers!
Well done video and a wealth of information. Traded off my 2018 Ram 2500 for 2019 Ram 3500 DRW Laramie just for the piece of mind and safety of my family and others on the road.
The only difference from the factory between a 2500 and 3500 is that the 3500 has leafs in the rear and the 2500 has coils. Everything else is exactly the same. Throw some bags on a 2500 and you more than make up the difference of the 3500. The reason most do this is because in a lot of states if you have a 1 ton truck you're subject to commercial regulations and taxes for weight. Also they get you on added taxes for vehicle registration. 3/4 ton trucks are exempt.
xelvic the only reason why I did this video is just to bring awareness to the capacities. I agree with you, on paper, the 2500/3500 aren’t that much different and my 1 ton squats a little more than my 3/4 ton did. But if you want to be legal the 1 ton will ensure that more than the 3/4 ton will when deciding on fivers. Air bag manufactures still tell you to stay within your limits too. Thanks for watching!
@xelvic. Airbags do NOT increase payload capacity. Your insurance company will highly disagree with you if you have an accident, nor will DOT inspection stations that pop up in the midwest. They dont care if you are commercial or pulling on your own. ALL vehicles with something in tow or RVs are required to stop. If you are over capacity on the sticker, you are overloaded. Period. The law is the law. There is no shortcut around it unless you get that door sticker recertified, and no one does that. You might "think" airbags "fix" it, but just get pulled over and ask them while they are writing you the ticket.
@@tonypiwko3634 I get all the legal reasons why the government wants to control everything. And tax the h*** out of us. But notwithstanding those reasons, please explain to me how airbags do not increase payload? I would like to know the physics behind your answer.
@@BigBoyToyzz quiet simple. Go on the truck manufacturer's website and look at the factory installed airbag systems. A ton of other options will tell you how adding or removing items will impact towing capacity. Airbags do not. They are stickly a leveling tool. There are a ton of other factors involved such as frame, suspension shackles, axles, etc. Will throwing airbags on the travel trailer help those 7,000 lbs axles hold the load better? If so, everyone would be airbagging them up vs upgrading to 8,000 lbs. Overloading a trailer will cause that axle to bend and fail. Same for the trucks. Your statement that a 2500 is same as 3500 sans leaf pack simply isn't true. The frames on a 3500 are reinforced differently, the engine and transmission mounts are different, and the suspension mounts are heavier. Airbags are intended to level a truck back out after squat. That load is still displaced to the shackle mounts, wheel bearings, differential, etc. There are HUNDREDS of articles and vlogs out there documenting this. Don't just arbitrarily blame the govt. on this one. The manufacturers are the ones standing behind those numbers. If they say it is rated to XYZ, that is what they are comfortable backing. If there is an airbag maker out their who wants to pay all your legal bills when issues arise, i would highly advise reading all the fine print, but I haven't heard of any that will put their business on the line over it.
From what I've heard from state troopers, there is no easy way to check payload and very rarely do they make you go to the weigh station. They go off of axle ratings anyway. They care more about the tires and axle weight. These 10,000 lb GVWR is for marketing purposes so they don't move up in truck class. They would have to strip down your truck from trailer and get multiple readings to give you a ticket. The truck is safe to pull that trailer, it's just the marketing that is in the way.
Great video, great explanation. I commented on another video about skipping 3/4 ton trucks all together. My F-150 payload is 1933 so with your old rig we were virtually identical. It’s a shame cuz there are a lot more 3/4 tons pulling big campers or 5th wheels than 1 tons and they cost about the same. Towing capacity is the biggest best marketing strategy ever. It’s gets people to buy half tons and then 6 months or a year later once they have towed and start learning the numbers they are trading up to a larger truck. What is funny is they usually make the same mistake again and go to 3/4 ton but most wont do what you did and trade up again. Payload is the key. Most are going to run out of payload way before they reach their towing capacity. My biggest pet peeve is a 1/2 ton pulling a 5th wheel. I will stop on my rant. Keep up the great info. I hit the subscribe button because you are knowledgeable, safe, and care about your family. Enjoy the camping season
Also a lot of this depends on your truck options: 4x4? Totally decreases payload, running boards, tonneau covers, extras extras extra- there are useless 2500/250s and great ones - so why get all the crap you don’t need that will limit your capabilities
Great info! Every new RV'er should watch this! Very good explanation. Thank you. It is time for our government to allow the manufacturers to increase the GVWR's.
So many different variables to consider. Thanks for the video. Also, to my knolledge, the only difference between a 2500 dodge and a 3500 Dogde is the helper spring on the back. Everything else is the same.
You are a smart man - and I love the way that you explained it with simple math. I myself got tired of the back and forth between half ton towable versus something heavier, so bought a Ram 3500 SRW that can tow anything I may buy and keep me within the weight ratings. But kudos to you sir for helping people out - this sh*t is VERY important!
Great video! We just upgraded to a 11,200# 5th wheel with a pin weight of just over 2,000#'s. We traded our Ram 2500 for a 3500 today for this exact reason. My total payload on the 2500 was only 1976#'s.
Thanks so much for doing this video we have that exact same truck the 2500 2018 Cummins we bought our truck for our Hot Shot business and so we want to use it to buy our travel trailer now that we watch this video we were struggling with should we get a fifth wheel but the numbers don’t lie, I agree with you totally and so we’re gonna stick with the travel trailer that way we don’t have to upgrade our truck thanks so much for not only given the numbers, but doing the math to show the numbers and keeping it simple.😊great video!
Smart man, I had the same battle but with a slide in truck camper. A northern lite truck camper dry weight 2700 lbs. I first had a 2016 GMC Denail crew cab 2500 duramax. Not knowing anything about payloads and to be honest the RV dealer was only interested in the RV sale, I went off down the road with a truck payload of only 1450 lbs. I was 1700 lbs over weight with water fuel and propane. The truck handled the camper with ease but my mind wasn't willing to accept the liability if I had been involved in a crash and someone got killed. I traded the GMC and bought a 2018 Ram 3500 Diesel and I was just within the payload with that truck. Now driving a new Dually with plenty of payload. I could never go back to a gas V8 with price of fuel on long hauls, I'd be sick to my stomach. Great advise on this video!!
Hey man that’s great!!! I will always cheer you on to stay within your limits just for peace of mind alone! Slide in RV’s are the toughest because of sheer size... You almost expect them to work on any HD truck but not the case! I agree with you but some guys that only take a RV out 3X a year could save on sticker shock and maintenance to gain more Payload to stay within the limits. Thanks for watching!
Great video! This video popped up on my feed, thought I’d watch, since I’ll be doing a video on our RAM 2500 soon. You explained this perfectly. We’re a fulltime RV family with a RUclips channel. We are now subscribed to your channel.
Can’t thank you enough for taking the time to put together such an informed video. I’ve always been confused with these numbers, but you present your information in such an easy-to-understand format that many can understand. I believe your efforts have helped save lives. Thanks again, and God Bless...
Very good job on this JB. This may save people some heartache, some money, a bad decision, or even a life. A very important topic from a good teacher. The 2018 Laramie 3500 w/ aisin I told you that I bought last Thursday has a payload of 3780 and a tow rating of 16910. When I looked up the VIN and saw that I was kind of disappointed in the tow rating, BUT now I feel better. I still haven't got my head around all of it, but I think the payload is aligned with my goals for the truck. Great job.
Thanks Man! 16910 is still more then enough considering the payload. I am planning on doing a similar video for my 3500 but time is not on my side. Thank God you bought a 3500 and not a 2500 because Payload is closer to 1500#...
JB Reviews yea, at first the only reason that I did want the 3500 is due to the aisin transmission, and I really feel that I would probably rather have leafs over coils
Consider what I have learned from researching snowplows for a 3500: the diesel engine is more than 1,000 pounds heavier than the V8 gasoline engine. The implications of this difference is almost counterintuitively surprising. When I plugged some values into the link I provided, the result shows that the weight of the engine itself (a product of whether it is diesel versus gasoline) is a pivotal factor: even though the 6.4L gas engine truck has a lower front axle rating, a gas engine will allow you to implement a wider, heavier snowplow than a 6.7L diesel that has a higher front axle rating. Here is the link where the user simply inputs the truck characteristics and the program does the calculation. When you get to the 2nd screen, click on the Mount / Blade Type dropdown menu and look at the vast types of wider plows available for the gas engine configuration versus with the narrower choices for performing the same exercise for a diesel engine. ematch.fisherplows.com/vehinfo.asp?_ga=2.125224141.654281056.1561674187-11004593.1561674187
SteveVitkovsky that’s interesting. The front GAWR for a gas 1 ton is the same for a diesel which is 6000#’s. Diesel is about 850#’s heavier then gas so I’m wondering if that’s why there are more options. On 3/4 tons the front axle is higher on diesel then gas but only by 500#’s.
Great and informative video, thank you! Only thing I’d suggest is to highlight any numbers you would like viewers to see. I had to quickly find what you were referring to before having to pause it and go back. Again, very informative, thank you.
Great detailed vid JB! I have a travel trailer that is 6500 lbs dry and 31 feet long. I believe I am in the 3/4 range, and will likely get the hemi bc I don’t tow as much. I do like how you broke down the numbers. Thks for the breakdown.
Good info you never want the trailer to over power the truck. I've towed with gas engines they get the job done, but the diesel is another animal, feel a lot more comfortable with the diesel. Keep them coming
I agree! I towed a heavy bumper pull cargo trailer (about 14000#’s) and ever since then I decided I would always buy diesel. Having that exhaust break alone sells it for me, thanks for watching!
JB, great information. First class. I have a 2018 Laramie 6.4 4X4. I currently tow a 35' couples TT, 3 slide hitch. Am very close to purchasing a 35 foot Alpine. Your info has been very helpful.
Excellent video! I went from a 2015 Silverado with a payload of 1780 to a 2019 Silverado 2500HD with a payload of 2950 pounds (9,500 GVW) because towing my 22 foot 5500lb trailer I was close to overloaded with the first truck. While the 1/2 ton did okay I could tell that the truck was being worked hard out here in the west. The new truck while having close to the same power is a different, more safe experience. I know that I have a honest reserve for this trailer or if down the road another larger trailer.
My 6.4 2500 Tradesman long bed 4x2 has a 3300 lb payload. I will enhance with airbags and use it for hauling a Lance camper. With the 3.73 rear end this thing gets better mileage than my Tundra did. A diesel 4x4 in a 2500 and coil springs won't haul a load. The Cummins takes away a grand in payload.
Just found your channel but great information for one to have before buying a fifth wheel and the truck. We've had two fifth wheels now and our current is 16000 lbs, so I needed a bigger truck because we would have been overweight with the truck we had. Went out to the dealerships wanting a Chevy 2500 diesel but my wife suggested a dually. long story short, at the end of the day I purchased a Ram 3500 dually with 410 rear gear. After going down to the DMV and obtaining my Class A non-Commerical and what I know now I'm glad I did.
Greg H that is great! You guys did your research and at the end of the day you can NEVER go wrong with a dually. Having the 4.10 will give you more towing capacity but what’s even better is having a Payload over 5000#’s which allows you to take on any fiver in the future you would like to own!
What stinks is if you want a new Ram 3500 crew 4x4 8' bed or mega cab 4x4, the gvwr is 12,300. Pair that will a GN implement trailer that's standard 14,000 lbs it will put you over the 26k weight range and its kinda ridiculous that you need the same CDL as a semi driver carrying 3x the weight....
If at all possible try to balance your trailer as best you can. Your tongue weight should always sit 10-15% of your trailers total weight. 10,000ib trailer should have a 1000-1500ib tongue weight to be considered "balanced". Just a little advice for everyone Edit: if you must put the weight on only the front or the back, put it on the front. If you overweigh the back you will fishtail like crazy
Mike Hunt thanks for the info! I would recommend using 19%-22% for fifth wheels just because floor plans can effect pin weight like front living, front bath, and front kitchen. Another factor is how the manufactures place items in the underbody. Travel trailers tend to come in around 10-15% for tongue weight. Thanks for watching!
I live in PA the law is a combination of truck and trailer, if trailer is over 10,001 lb or gross truck and trailer is over 26,001 lb you need a non commerical CDL. I was told this went into effect in 2015. I got permit for $5.00 test was free, but you need a a legal driver to take you to the test site. Not all states are the same. But your video is great!
I agree the 10k is to low, to low for reality. I highly doubt the big three just happen to be engineered to be able to handle exactly 10k. The reality is they can handle more than that but 10k is a magic number that when you cross it you can enter into another dimension in terms of regulations such as DOT, registration, etc. There's a difference between what it CAN handle in reality and what it says on paper to satisfy regulations. I'll take a 2500HD ANY DAY over a half ton with the same payload capacity. I will not cross the axle or tire ratings though.
Ram keeps trying to convince me that I have 2310lb payload. I told them that my truck weight is 8025. They are seriously still telling me my stickers are wrong.
Thank you for this video. I to was fooled by the the numbers last year when we purcheased a truck and travel trailer. I have a much better understanding of the numbers now and i am looking to get rid of my tundra for a 19 ram 3500 cummins.
Just be careful with Ram trucks. My case is now being investigated by the DMV and the FTC because the manufacturer's certificate of origin doesn't match the sticker on the truck.
Good news...seldom does a three Quarter work with a fifth wheel of your Cougar's size. You'll be so much safer and so will the road traffic. Good camping my friend. bill in Florida
@@JB_WhoWork Just think about it. Pin weight is total actual weight the king pin applies to the truck when hitched. That extra weight on the rear axle is weight from the front due to squatting.
Thanks for sharing. I’m considering my first diesel (have a 200 Land Cruiser now). These technical details will help selection. I used to prefer a dually for aesthetics. Then I started leaning single axle for off-road fun. But this now has me thinking about any future 5th wheel we might get!
I am close to being overweight, truck 8000lbs full tank, wife, dog, hitch. Trailer 8300lbs dry weight 11500lbs max, 1700 is what is left to max out the trucks 9700lbs. I was thinking about putting the spare for the truck on the 5 th wheel. That would take off 90 lbs, now if the front goes down 120 lbs that’s 210lbs. I am legally within the limits of my truck, if we pack lite. This is the first time any video told me the front goes down in weight it makes sense. Thank you.
Andersen Ultimate 5th Wheel Hitch weighs only 40 lbs get rid of that heavy hitch. Knock off 110 lbs. I have towed 12k miles with it and its outstanding...
Great video but GVWR is for the trucks curb weight without a trailer (10000lbs) Ram sets GAWR at 12500 so you can still tow. When you have a trailer GCVWR and GAWR are the numbers you need to watch. Think of a 3 axle Peterbuilt for example, the GVWR may be 60k but the truck will likely have 46k drives and a 20k steer with the GCVWR of 80k. Your 2018 2500 was well within the specs with that trailer.
So the DMV is investigating since nothing is matching up . The place we took the truck to get correct information thinks that what they are claiming is payload is actually carrying capacity. They told us that carrying capacity is without any fluids and payload is with all fluids. The numbers match up better when they calculated the numbers that way. My MCO says 2500lbs. When they subtracted the approximate weight of all fluids, it was closer to the 1920 we came up with. The only other problem is that the weight of the truck they are claiming is no where close.
I love the Ram 2500 interior. But this is the reason why I went with GMC 2500 At4 Duramax. My max payload on that truck is 3100 lBs, so it can tow my lite 5th wheel which has a 1460 pin weight safely and I was able to safely with a 2500 instead of going up to a 3500. Wish Ford and Dodge would up their gross vehicle weight. I had to go with the truck that could tow the camper i wanted.
I really like this video. Wish I seen it before I picked out my truck. I have the same fifth wheel you do but one year newer so no real difference. I knew the towing capacity was within spec but didn't really know much about cargo capacity. My F-250 diesel has about 100 pounds more capacity than your 2500 did so I'm pretty much in the same situation. I have plenty axle capacity and towing capacity but short on cargo so I know I have to do what you did.
Hey man 80% of us do this on the first try and the other 20% prolly got lucky. Be sure if you upgrade to a F350, be aware of the payload downgrade option as it will give you a 10000# GVWR 👍🏾
I’m picking up my new 5th wheel tomorrow. Pulling with my 2020 3/4 ram . I technically will have 59lbs of payload to work with after trailer is on. I’m going to Send it
Don't forget that really heavy B&W companion hitch. I believe mine has to be about 150lbs. That base is heavy as hell. The actual hitch is about 50lbs. Have to add that in
If only the RAM dealership sales people knew this ! - Good stuff and yes I taught my dealer why I went with the 3500 vs. 2500 , sad that consumers have to do that.
I’m gonna release a video regarding this hopefully early next week! Unfortunately it’s a issue that won’t be fixed easily. Glad you like the video and thanks for watching!
Thanks for the video. We need to take this into account when pairing our tow vehicle and the RV. Like you I was aware of the pin weight issue. My diesel RAM 3/4 has a payload of 2,300 lbs as I kept it at base with a few extras and a 4x4. Then found a 5th wheel with a low pin weight, but still managed to have 3 slides. Gave up the self leveling to save weight. Next truck will be a 1 ton to expand our options. Ride can't be much "worse" as these are heavy duty trucks and heavy suspension is required. :-)
@@eyeout question: you said the suspension is stiffer on the 3500 but how does it compare to the crappy Gen 3 2500 5.9L suspension? Now that was rough! Anyhow, second part of my question is what happens when you equip the Z71 Off-road Suspension Package? Does it improve a 3500 and does it change the load/max tow capacity? Thanks in advance, God Bless! I’m thinking more and more about the long bed 3500 for maneuverability/cab clearance. I really want a Mega Cab but now you are looking at a 40 foot long truck with a 40+ ft 5th wheel 😂🤣😂🤣
@@rocketman3776 so if you add any off road package that usually means a lower tow rating. Off road suspension usually makes it a soft more absorbent ride. As for towing a 40’ tow hauler I’d definitely go with the 3500 and probably the dually too. It’s capable enough to get your rig off road but it’s not going to be articulating on any trails. I skipped the mega cab because the new trucks are already big enough to seat a tall grown man in the back in comfort. Check the inside of the doors for their payload rating. That’s where you’ll see the off road packages really lower. The dealer will tell you it has the same tow rating but leave out the payload. Payload is what you need for a 2,200lbs pin weight on those toy haulers.
My 2021 3500 4x4 single rear wheel long bed is 8660 with me 184 lb generator and fifth wheel. My front axel is 6000 rear axel 7000 My gvwr is 12300 lbs .my load capacity is 3640
Although I don’t recommend....I was over payload on my 14 Ram diesel by about 3000 lbs every trip. loaded 40 ft toy hauler, with 2 sxs’s, water and fuel. Family of 3 and dogs and firewood in bed....I did have air bags, 4.10 gears, and very upgraded brakes....🤷🏽♂️ never had issues.
On one of your videos 📹 you were talking about fuel usage and price. 4-9-2022 I paid $6.54 per gallon. I put 22.6 gallons in my ram . The cost was $148 . Change.
The difference in cost from a 3500 to a 2500 is minimal, about 2k. Which is about 2.6% of the total cost of the truck. Well worth the safety and piece of mind.
I have a 2005 Chevy 2500HD Duramax crew cab I use to tow a gooseneck. I only tow my Jeep and other cars plus misc loads. Gooseneck weighs 4200lbs plus Jeep around 5000lbs. At 20% pin weight, it's about 1840lbs. I can tell you, that's about the extent of weight I want to haul with that truck. It does well, but you can certainly tell you're loaded down. I don't know how all these other people towing huge fifth wheels etc with the same truck as I have thinking it's comfortable or safe? There is no way they aren't over loaded in a 2500...you get there quick.
Very informative video, thank you for putting all those numbers together. I am currently in the same situation that you were... I have a 40 ft 367fls Cougar and I’m towing it with a F250 diesel. I have a bit more payload capacity though at 2,562 however I’m still about 400 lbs over when fully loaded. May I ask what the payload capacity is on your new 3500?
Thanks! I’m assuming you have front living which are slightly heavier in regards to pin. I did a video with my new truck a little after this one but I think it’s 3700#+. ruclips.net/video/8gBS6SmtB-0/видео.html
I used to own an old 2007 Ram 1500 5.7L Big Horn half-ton 4X4. The interior sucks and it was under power. Now I drive a 2018 Chevy half-ton 1500 LT Z71 4X4, but I am going to sell it and buy a one-ton truck with gas (not need diesel for what I tow. My trailer only weighs 5000-5500 lbs loaded). Would you recommend a 2020/2021 3500 6.4L (Tradesman) 4X4? I don't want a 3/4 ton, and I don't need a diesel.
Great video. Thanks for the info. I just bought a new 21 Ram 3500 dually Laramie. Love the truck. Payload is like 5670. Tow capacity just under 20k. What ballpark range should I look at 5th wheel RV's? Want to make sure im gonna be safe and legal towing. Wife and are gonna start full time RV. I'm looking at 15 to 18k GVWR for trailer.
Congrats on the new truck, you can pretty much go crazy with that truck lol! It would be hard to find a trailer that truck can’t pull and stay within the limits. The only exception would be how you load your truck with gear/accessories and what you can store on the front of the Fifth Wheel, apart from that, enjoy your RV search with peace of mind 👍🏾
Hey JB, I’m from NC. I have been looking at 2500 bighorn or Laramie crew cab for daily driver work truck and to pull a future tow behind travel camper. I love your reviews and videos. I am not sure to do 4x4 or 2x4. Would 4x4 be beneficial doing weekend camping trips? Have you used the 4x4 in 2500 much?
To answer your questions, I would never buy a truck without 4X4 only because I seem to get stuck a lot when I’ve driven other trucks without it and resale value suffers up north if you don’t have it. Gas vs diesel depends on how you plan to travel, if you plan on climbing a lot of 6% grades and will be going down them, a diesel will be better but if you drive on flat road surfaces, a gas will do just fine. Just make sure you opt for the 4.10 axle if you choose a HEMI. Fuel economy will be better for diesel so if you plan on driving 20k a year this may have better benefits too. I like the idea of a diesel only because I travel with the flow of traffic and like the convenience of the extra tq and diesel exhaust brake 👍🏾
A friend of mine has an F-350 and I have an F-250. He has a higher payload but the difference is an overload spring. Yes he has a Dana axle, which in the real world won’t make a difference for a private owner. I have 3:31 gearing and he has 3:55 gearing. I had a 2019 F-150 Ecoboost that was about 200 lbs payload less than my 2020 F-250 with the 6.7. So how can that be? Why is the F-250 maxed at the arbitrary 10,000 lbs?
Nice work!! This guy got it right on all aspects. Take heed rv'ers, you get involved in a accident, not even your fault and you could have some very serious problems. It's your responsibility to know just what the hell you are doing when hauling alot of weight. Better be prepared!!!
No problem, Gas 2500 or diesel 3500 is typically what I recommend. Just have to make sure you have at least 500#’s (or more) of payload after trailer/passengers are loaded up 👍🏾
Good video only thing I can add 2500 and 3500 single raer have the same towing capacity just payload. But!!! They are really same truck same same breaks same axles little bit different on rear suspension on different years. Only reallything differential payload you are right hears the catch what you pay on dmv fees what different on 2500 vs 3500 single rear and yes manufacturers say that has more pay load real world they are same truck in way. I pull 40foot toy hauler with 2500 trailer weigh 17k fully loaded rear drive axle weights 6300 not over loading my drives great on my steer but I know I should have dually but that's just payload I'm over of 2500 truck. That's my two cents
If you get into an accident and you’re over your payload capacity, good luck getting your insurance to pay for it. A 40’ hauler weighing 17k is not meant for a 2500. That’s why they make a 3500. If a 2500 was just as good, no one would buy the 3500. Everyone would just save money and get the cheaper truck.
I hope your still talking about srw 2500 vs 3500 they are the same trucks. Just different rear suspension on 2014 and newer, Axles, brakes, tires are the same! So think about this really hard the hot shot guys or the five car haulers are pulling more then what a 3500 drw truck on manufactured specs then they put a 40k or 35k sticker on the side then they are legal so don’t quote me dot cares about being over on your tires max weight . Just think about a two axle or three axle big rig. They pull same combined weight just different trailers.
Silver Cummins prove to me that a hot shot guy is rolling into a scale pulling over his GVWR. That just really showed your lack of understanding. The whole point of scales are to make sure you’re not pulling over your weight. If you get caught you get huge fines and they won’t let you leave the scales without getting down to your legal limit. The issue you will face with payload is the suspension. That’s why one is a 2500 and one is a 3500. If you’re going over your payload, your insurance might not cover you if you get in an accident. They might look like the same truck but they are not. They have different suspension for different hauling capacities. Otherwise they wouldn’t have the different classes of truck. You need a new truck in order to be complying with the law. But go ahead and be butt hurt about it.
GVWR is Gross Combined Vehicle Weight - Not CARRYING!!!
JB Reviews what’s the name of the type beat in the beginning of the video?
Unfortunately when I saved all these songs I renamed them and placed them in folders on my computer. They are all free songs from RUclips so I’m sure you can find them!
JB Reviews dang its alr like I remember the song before somewhere but I forgot what’s it called either way it’s gonna be hard to find it lol btw you got a sub
Joventux _ thanks bro!
Y is the gcvwr not listed on every truck!
As a commercial licensed driver, this by far is the smartest thing I’ve heard from an R.V. owner. Not many people understand or follow these rules
Carlos Palaminos thanks! RV/Auto Dealer’s don’t understand the capacities and will dodge the questions about limits in exchange to move a unit. Not all but some are just there to make money but it still falls back on the consumer...
I have always been of the mindset more is better (towing capacity) within reason that is. But go shopping for the R.V. that you want and then buy the truck that can handle it with extra space to play with the numbers.
Carlos Palaminos yup! RV first then buy your truck!
How long have you been driving commercially and what do you use?
JB Reviews - Good move. As a commercial truck drive I can tell you, if you had an accident while overloaded that’s exactly why what they would do.
As a commercial driver you should know manufacturer specs are meaningless and what really matters are axle and tire ratings!
Just bought my first towing rig... a Ram 3500 with the intent of getting a TT or 5th-wheel later on. This helps me understand the limits so much better. Thank you!
Pay attention people. This guy knows what he is talking about. Know the numbers. Know the axle ratings, tire ratings, payload capacity, payload weight, towing capacity. If you go over on any of them, you are not safe. It's refreshing to see someone who gets it, because so many don't.
One of the best described towing limits and explanation I have ever seen on the internet. Great job.
Thanks 👍🏾
Really well done video and all the points you made are exactly the reason I just dumped our 3/4 ton hemi for a 1 ton diesel Ram. We are going to a fifth wheel in the future and, like you, don't want to be under trucked and over weight. More dealerships are getting truck guys in sales who understand towing and weight capacities. Its encouraging but the consumer ultimately is responsible for their decision. Travel safely!!
Thanks! It’s definitely a grey area for sure and most people don’t understand this. Thanks for sharing too!
So glad I found this video. We are looking at trucks and 5th wheels and I was under the impression the Ram 2500 6.7 could handle it just fine. Thank you for this info.
With the 2500, you're at the limit with most 5th wheels.
Dude! You are singing my song!!!!
I had that exact 2500 (mine was black). My heart dropped when I ran the numbers and saw it wouldn't do the job. Thank God Larry H Miller agreed to cancel the contract, and let us get Rambo.
I love how passionate you are about getting this information to others who may benefit. Good info and great advice my brother!
Thanks 👍🏾!
This video just confirmed everything I figured out just before I almost bought a 2022 Ram Laramie 6.7L Diesel. I thought I wasn't seeing the numbers correctly. The dealers will tell you what you want to hear, but Payload was the one thing that kept coming back as an issue. I kept seeing low to mid 2000 lb ratings and finally searched and found a video for mid-size 5th wheels. Mid-Size 5th wheels are in the payload (hitch) range of 2350 lbs. Then add family, dogs and e-bikes and I am at 3200 lbs. Well I knew that didn't compute or I must have been missing something. JB hit every point that you need to understand to safely tow/carry a 5th wheel. I was fine if I bought a travel trailer but if I decided on buying a 5th wheel I was not. Thank you JB! Great video!
Everything you have said is the reason why I traded my 2500 for a 3500. No since in the risk. Even if someone pulls out in front of you and you cant stop they can put it back on you for being overloaded
Man, respect. It’s nice to hear younger generations being responsible. Good job on learning and paying attention. Most people think that if it will hold a trailer up, they are good to go. I like how you are thinking about consequences and what that could mean to your family. I just saw your video where you hooked up with you goose box and I was thinking that is not enough truck legally. Then I saw this video. Good call.
Another good video with good info. Most people with 2500s pulling fifth wheels are over their payload but refuse to admit it. They think since they have a diesel, it doesn't matter. That's not gonna hold up in court if things go bad. Also, can't tell you how many people in forums have told me they don't need a non-cdl license in the state of Texas. I've had to show them it's the law, any combination of truck and trailer GVWR that exceeds 26000 pounds requires a Class A non-cdl license. Not actual weight. GVWR of both combined. That's something you don't want to find out you need the wrong way.
Well, it doesn't help that Ram fluffs the towing and payload on their trucks and they encourage their customers to ignore the stickers.
In this example his cougar’s GVWR is 13900#. Adding a Ford F-350 with tow package GVWR of 12400# .. this example even with a single rear wheel (13900+12400) = 26300#. So even a single rear wheel with this 5th in some states would require a Class A non-cdl.
Sounds to me that the respective departments of weight and standards offices are adopting the “leftist” approach of tax and frisk as a money grab to fill state budget gaps.
Not to mention .. once you have a class A license and the insurance company picks up on that class change, many insurance companies impose higher premiums based license class types.
Great info.. GCVWR, GAWR, GVWR, Max Cargo Capacity and Max Tow Capacity are all info a truck buyer need to consider. My 2018 Ram 2500 with the 6.4L Hemi has a 3103 Lbs max payload capacity. That is why I bought it because I needed the cargo capacity vs the towing capacity for my 2050Lb Slide-in Truck Camper. Diesels can tow more but gas truck can carry more as general rule within the same class and Trims. One reason why I traded in my 2015 Ram 2500 Bighorn with the 6.7L Cummins as it only had a 2300 max cargo capacity. The simple math was 2050lbs + Me at 260lbs + 1 Pb&J sandwich and like 1 pair of dirty under ware = I was overweight! Never mind my wife, teen Kiddo and a 85 lb German Shepherd AND OTHER GEAR . You have earned a subscriber due to you having and sharing some common sense with "The Peoples". :) Also Capacity doesn't me Capability as one must balance the equation because GVWR, GAWR and GVWR are all finite! I am actually considering bumping up to a Ram 3500 with a 6.7L Cummins to get both more cargo and towing capacities for increasing my safety margin a bit. Also, I put in Timbrem Bump stops in the rear to reduce the rear squat and also sway ... but this NEVER doesn't increase rear GAWR...... EVER!!! Some people just don't get that.
This is spot on advice. If you can’t afford a 1 ton truck, you can’t afford a fifth wheel trailer. Accept that and buy something you can tow. And really, I would want a dually. Think about trying to control a 20,000 pound rig at 70mph when a back tire blows out.
💯! Thanks for sharing 👍🏾
Very good info! Lot people don't know about all the weights. RV dealers will pretty much lie to make that sale or won't tell you. I am a commercial license holder an have been for 20+ years. Very good video. How about a video of a Ram Cummins Tradesman dually numbers.
Jim Sjostrom thanks and you are correct about dealers. Their main Goal is to help you buy something. I will keep my eye out for one and will do a run down of the numbers!
Well done video and a wealth of information. Traded off my 2018 Ram 2500 for 2019 Ram 3500 DRW Laramie just for the piece of mind and safety of my family and others on the road.
That’s great, nothing wrong with having the biggest and baddest truck on the road 👍🏾
This was very helpful, thank you for taking the time to break it down!👍🏻
The only difference from the factory between a 2500 and 3500 is that the 3500 has leafs in the rear and the 2500 has coils. Everything else is exactly the same. Throw some bags on a 2500 and you more than make up the difference of the 3500. The reason most do this is because in a lot of states if you have a 1 ton truck you're subject to commercial regulations and taxes for weight. Also they get you on added taxes for vehicle registration. 3/4 ton trucks are exempt.
xelvic the only reason why I did this video is just to bring awareness to the capacities. I agree with you, on paper, the 2500/3500 aren’t that much different and my 1 ton squats a little more than my 3/4 ton did. But if you want to be legal the 1 ton will ensure that more than the 3/4 ton will when deciding on fivers. Air bag manufactures still tell you to stay within your limits too. Thanks for watching!
@xelvic. Airbags do NOT increase payload capacity. Your insurance company will highly disagree with you if you have an accident, nor will DOT inspection stations that pop up in the midwest. They dont care if you are commercial or pulling on your own. ALL vehicles with something in tow or RVs are required to stop. If you are over capacity on the sticker, you are overloaded. Period. The law is the law. There is no shortcut around it unless you get that door sticker recertified, and no one does that. You might "think" airbags "fix" it, but just get pulled over and ask them while they are writing you the ticket.
@@tonypiwko3634 I get all the legal reasons why the government wants to control everything. And tax the h*** out of us. But notwithstanding those reasons, please explain to me how airbags do not increase payload? I would like to know the physics behind your answer.
@@BigBoyToyzz quiet simple. Go on the truck manufacturer's website and look at the factory installed airbag systems. A ton of other options will tell you how adding or removing items will impact towing capacity. Airbags do not. They are stickly a leveling tool. There are a ton of other factors involved such as frame, suspension shackles, axles, etc. Will throwing airbags on the travel trailer help those 7,000 lbs axles hold the load better? If so, everyone would be airbagging them up vs upgrading to 8,000 lbs. Overloading a trailer will cause that axle to bend and fail. Same for the trucks.
Your statement that a 2500 is same as 3500 sans leaf pack simply isn't true. The frames on a 3500 are reinforced differently, the engine and transmission mounts are different, and the suspension mounts are heavier.
Airbags are intended to level a truck back out after squat. That load is still displaced to the shackle mounts, wheel bearings, differential, etc. There are HUNDREDS of articles and vlogs out there documenting this.
Don't just arbitrarily blame the govt. on this one. The manufacturers are the ones standing behind those numbers. If they say it is rated to XYZ, that is what they are comfortable backing. If there is an airbag maker out their who wants to pay all your legal bills when issues arise, i would highly advise reading all the fine print, but I haven't heard of any that will put their business on the line over it.
The best difference is the high output engine and aisin trans
From what I've heard from state troopers, there is no easy way to check payload and very rarely do they make you go to the weigh station. They go off of axle ratings anyway. They care more about the tires and axle weight. These 10,000 lb GVWR is for marketing purposes so they don't move up in truck class. They would have to strip down your truck from trailer and get multiple readings to give you a ticket. The truck is safe to pull that trailer, it's just the marketing that is in the way.
Great video, great explanation. I commented on another video about skipping 3/4 ton trucks all together. My F-150 payload is 1933 so with your old rig we were virtually identical. It’s a shame cuz there are a lot more 3/4 tons pulling big campers or 5th wheels than 1 tons and they cost about the same. Towing capacity is the biggest best marketing strategy ever. It’s gets people to buy half tons and then 6 months or a year later once they have towed and start learning the numbers they are trading up to a larger truck. What is funny is they usually make the same mistake again and go to 3/4 ton but most wont do what you did and trade up again. Payload is the key. Most are going to run out of payload way before they reach their towing capacity. My biggest pet peeve is a 1/2 ton pulling a 5th wheel. I will stop on my rant. Keep up the great info. I hit the subscribe button because you are knowledgeable, safe, and care about your family. Enjoy the camping season
Also a lot of this depends on your truck options: 4x4? Totally decreases payload, running boards, tonneau covers, extras extras extra- there are useless 2500/250s and great ones - so why get all the crap you don’t need that will limit your capabilities
Great info! Every new RV'er should watch this! Very good explanation. Thank you. It is time for our government to allow the manufacturers to increase the GVWR's.
So many different variables to consider. Thanks for the video. Also, to my knolledge, the only difference between a 2500 dodge and a 3500 Dogde is the helper spring on the back. Everything else is the same.
You are a smart man - and I love the way that you explained it with simple math. I myself got tired of the back and forth between half ton towable versus something heavier, so bought a Ram 3500 SRW that can tow anything I may buy and keep me within the weight ratings. But kudos to you sir for helping people out - this sh*t is VERY important!
Thanks Charles 👍🏾
I feel like Ram and Ford have the ability to with their 3/4 ton diesel trucks, do what GM did and change the 2500/250 gvwr to 11400#
Great video! We just upgraded to a 11,200# 5th wheel with a pin weight of just over 2,000#'s. We traded our Ram 2500 for a 3500 today for this exact reason. My total payload on the 2500 was only 1976#'s.
That’s awesome! Thanks for sharing 👍🏾
Was your 2500 a diesel? David
Thanks so much for doing this video we have that exact same truck the 2500 2018 Cummins we bought our truck for our Hot Shot business and so we want to use it to buy our travel trailer now that we watch this video we were struggling with should we get a fifth wheel but the numbers don’t lie, I agree with you totally and so we’re gonna stick with the travel trailer that way we don’t have to upgrade our truck thanks so much for not only given the numbers, but doing the math to show the numbers and keeping it simple.😊great video!
Great video JB I just bought a 3500 mega cab dually limited edition and night edition soo happy
Thank You!
Great video! Answered a lot of my questions. Thank you, JB!
Smart man, I had the same battle but with a slide in truck camper. A northern lite truck camper dry weight 2700 lbs. I first had a 2016 GMC Denail crew cab 2500 duramax. Not knowing anything about payloads and to be honest the RV dealer was only interested in the RV sale, I went off down the road with a truck payload of only 1450 lbs. I was 1700 lbs over weight with water fuel and propane. The truck handled the camper with ease but my mind wasn't willing to accept the liability if I had been involved in a crash and someone got killed. I traded the GMC and bought a 2018 Ram 3500 Diesel and I was just within the payload with that truck. Now driving a new Dually with plenty of payload. I could never go back to a gas V8 with price of fuel on long hauls, I'd be sick to my stomach. Great advise on this video!!
Hey man that’s great!!! I will always cheer you on to stay within your limits just for peace of mind alone! Slide in RV’s are the toughest because of sheer size... You almost expect them to work on any HD truck but not the case!
I agree with you but some guys that only take a RV out 3X a year could save on sticker shock and maintenance to gain more Payload to stay within the limits. Thanks for watching!
Great video! This video popped up on my feed, thought I’d watch, since I’ll be doing a video on our RAM 2500 soon. You explained this perfectly.
We’re a fulltime RV family with a RUclips channel. We are now subscribed to your channel.
Thank you and I will check you out also!
I found this video very informative. Thanks for breaking that down for us.
Can’t thank you enough for taking the time to put together such an informed video. I’ve always been confused with these numbers, but you present your information in such an easy-to-understand format that many can understand. I believe your efforts have helped save lives. Thanks again, and God Bless...
Thanks Gabriel! My goal is to help people make better decision and save money so I appreciate your comment! Blessings to you as well 🙏🏽
Very good job on this JB. This may save people some heartache, some money, a bad decision, or even a life. A very important topic from a good teacher. The 2018 Laramie 3500 w/ aisin I told you that I bought last Thursday has a payload of 3780 and a tow rating of 16910. When I looked up the VIN and saw that I was kind of disappointed in the tow rating, BUT now I feel better. I still haven't got my head around all of it, but I think the payload is aligned with my goals for the truck. Great job.
Thanks Man! 16910 is still more then enough considering the payload. I am planning on doing a similar video for my 3500 but time is not on my side. Thank God you bought a 3500 and not a 2500 because Payload is closer to 1500#...
JB Reviews yea, at first the only reason that I did want the 3500 is due to the aisin transmission, and I really feel that I would probably rather have leafs over coils
GREAT SHOW...so informative for a newbie to the towing game safely. Thank you so big. bill in Florida
Consider what I have learned from researching snowplows for a 3500: the diesel engine is more than 1,000 pounds heavier than the V8 gasoline engine. The implications of this difference is almost counterintuitively surprising. When I plugged some values into the link I provided, the result shows that the weight of the engine itself (a product of whether it is diesel versus gasoline) is a pivotal factor: even though the 6.4L gas engine truck has a lower front axle rating, a gas engine will allow you to implement a wider, heavier snowplow than a 6.7L diesel that has a higher front axle rating. Here is the link where the user simply inputs the truck characteristics and the program does the calculation. When you get to the 2nd screen, click on the Mount / Blade Type dropdown menu and look at the vast types of wider plows available for the gas engine configuration versus with the narrower choices for performing the same exercise for a diesel engine.
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SteveVitkovsky that’s interesting. The front GAWR for a gas 1 ton is the same for a diesel which is 6000#’s. Diesel is about 850#’s heavier then gas so I’m wondering if that’s why there are more options. On 3/4 tons the front axle is higher on diesel then gas but only by 500#’s.
PROBABLY ONE OF YOUR BETTER VIDEOS
Thank you, finally someone speaking truth.
Great and informative video, thank you! Only thing I’d suggest is to highlight any numbers you would like viewers to see. I had to quickly find what you were referring to before having to pause it and go back. Again, very informative, thank you.
Great detailed vid JB!
I have a travel trailer that is 6500 lbs dry and 31 feet long. I believe I am in the 3/4 range, and will likely get the hemi bc I don’t tow as much. I do like how you broke down the numbers. Thks for the breakdown.
Thanks! Yea the hemi is not a bad option especially if you get the 4.10 gears. I’m hoping to do another video with my 3500 soon, thanks for watching!
Great vid bud!
Just learning this stuff before we buy a big truck. Thx
What a great explanation and lesson on this! Saving some coin is not worth risking safety!
Good info you never want the trailer to over power the truck. I've towed with gas engines they get the job done, but the diesel is another animal, feel a lot more comfortable with the diesel. Keep them coming
I agree! I towed a heavy bumper pull cargo trailer (about 14000#’s) and ever since then I decided I would always buy diesel. Having that exhaust break alone sells it for me, thanks for watching!
JB, great information. First class. I have a 2018 Laramie 6.4 4X4. I currently tow a 35' couples TT, 3 slide hitch. Am very close to purchasing a 35 foot Alpine. Your info has been very helpful.
Thanks Barry! Alpine is an amazing brand and I’m referencing what I remember seeing 3 years ago! Stay safe 👍🏾
Great video. This helped me figure out what truck to buy. Thank you!
Excellent video!
I went from a 2015 Silverado with a payload of 1780 to a 2019 Silverado 2500HD with a payload of 2950 pounds (9,500 GVW) because towing my 22 foot 5500lb trailer I was close to overloaded with the first truck.
While the 1/2 ton did okay I could tell that the truck was being worked hard out here in the west. The new truck while having close to the same power is a different, more safe experience. I know that I have a honest reserve for this trailer or if down the road another larger trailer.
Thanks 👍🏾
Good Job of explaining. Don't dare take the word of a truck or rv salesmen. Some know what they are talking about. Some don't. Do your own math.
Yup, learned the hard way when I was looking for a truck 👍🏾
BRAVO! Great info & explanation! Thanks you - JB
J B - thanks! Glad you found it helpful!
My 6.4 2500 Tradesman long bed 4x2 has a 3300 lb payload. I will enhance with airbags and use it for hauling a Lance camper. With the 3.73 rear end this thing gets better mileage than my Tundra did. A diesel 4x4 in a 2500 and coil springs won't haul a load. The Cummins takes away a grand in payload.
Just found your channel but great information for one to have before buying a fifth wheel and the truck. We've had two fifth wheels now and our current is 16000 lbs, so I needed a bigger truck because we would have been overweight with the truck we had. Went out to the dealerships wanting a Chevy 2500 diesel but my wife suggested a dually. long story short, at the end of the day I purchased a Ram 3500 dually with 410 rear gear. After going down to the DMV and obtaining my Class A non-Commerical and what I know now I'm glad I did.
Greg H that is great! You guys did your research and at the end of the day you can NEVER go wrong with a dually. Having the 4.10 will give you more towing capacity but what’s even better is having a Payload over 5000#’s which allows you to take on any fiver in the future you would like to own!
What stinks is if you want a new Ram 3500 crew 4x4 8' bed or mega cab 4x4, the gvwr is 12,300. Pair that will a GN implement trailer that's standard 14,000 lbs it will put you over the 26k weight range and its kinda ridiculous that you need the same CDL as a semi driver carrying 3x the weight....
If at all possible try to balance your trailer as best you can. Your tongue weight should always sit 10-15% of your trailers total weight. 10,000ib trailer should have a 1000-1500ib tongue weight to be considered "balanced". Just a little advice for everyone
Edit: if you must put the weight on only the front or the back, put it on the front. If you overweigh the back you will fishtail like crazy
Mike Hunt thanks for the info! I would recommend using 19%-22% for fifth wheels just because floor plans can effect pin weight like front living, front bath, and front kitchen. Another factor is how the manufactures place items in the underbody. Travel trailers tend to come in around 10-15% for tongue weight. Thanks for watching!
I live in PA the law is a combination of truck and trailer, if trailer is over 10,001 lb or gross truck and trailer is over 26,001 lb you need a non commerical CDL. I was told this went into effect in 2015. I got permit for $5.00 test was free, but you need a a legal driver to take you to the test site. Not all states are the same. But your video is great!
Thanks for sharing this!
I agree the 10k is to low, to low for reality. I highly doubt the big three just happen to be engineered to be able to handle exactly 10k. The reality is they can handle more than that but 10k is a magic number that when you cross it you can enter into another dimension in terms of regulations such as DOT, registration, etc. There's a difference between what it CAN handle in reality and what it says on paper to satisfy regulations. I'll take a 2500HD ANY DAY over a half ton with the same payload capacity. I will not cross the axle or tire ratings though.
Ram keeps trying to convince me that I have 2310lb payload. I told them that my truck weight is 8025. They are seriously still telling me my stickers are wrong.
Thank you for this video. I to was fooled by the the numbers last year when we purcheased a truck and travel trailer. I have a much better understanding of the numbers now and i am looking to get rid of my tundra for a 19 ram 3500 cummins.
Just be careful with Ram trucks. My case is now being investigated by the DMV and the FTC because the manufacturer's certificate of origin doesn't match the sticker on the truck.
Good news...seldom does a three Quarter work with a fifth wheel of your Cougar's size. You'll be so much safer and so will the road traffic. Good camping my friend. bill in Florida
Thanks! Stay safe out there!
Excellent video and crisp, clear explanation.
Very helpful video -- thanks for all the great work you do!
Maryland D.O.T. Is tough out there. Keep your numbers with you, it will come in handy!!
Good information and well-explained.
Pin weight is truck GVW with trailer 5,040 + 5,600 = 10,640 minus 8,460 truck alone = 2,180lb. pin weight. Trailer is under GVWR 10,080 + 2,180 = 12,260lbs. Light pin weight at 17.7%
Thanks for clarifying this! I thought the pin weight was just for rear axles!!!
@@JB_WhoWork Just think about it. Pin weight is total actual weight the king pin applies to the truck when hitched. That extra weight on the rear axle is weight from the front due to squatting.
Thanks for sharing. I’m considering my first diesel (have a 200 Land Cruiser now). These technical details will help selection. I used to prefer a dually for aesthetics. Then I started leaning single axle for off-road fun. But this now has me thinking about any future 5th wheel we might get!
I used to have a 2013 200 series! Yea buying 2 trucks in a year stinks so better to buy enough, thanks for watching 👍🏾
I am close to being overweight, truck 8000lbs full tank, wife, dog, hitch. Trailer 8300lbs dry weight 11500lbs max, 1700 is what is left to max out the trucks 9700lbs. I was thinking about putting the spare for the truck on the 5 th wheel. That would take off 90 lbs, now if the front goes down 120 lbs that’s 210lbs. I am legally within the limits of my truck, if we pack lite. This is the first time any video told me the front goes down in weight it makes sense. Thank you.
Andersen Ultimate 5th Wheel Hitch weighs only 40 lbs get rid of that heavy hitch. Knock off 110 lbs. I have towed 12k miles with it and its outstanding...
Great video but GVWR is for the trucks curb weight without a trailer (10000lbs) Ram sets GAWR at 12500 so you can still tow. When you have a trailer GCVWR and GAWR are the numbers you need to watch. Think of a 3 axle Peterbuilt for example, the GVWR may be 60k but the truck will likely have 46k drives and a 20k steer with the GCVWR of 80k. Your 2018 2500 was well within the specs with that trailer.
Good information sir.
Thank you.
You earned my subscription with this awesome video. 😎👍🏼
Awesome 😊!
Mine as well
RussVegas PD thanks!
So the DMV is investigating since nothing is matching up . The place we took the truck to get correct information thinks that what they are claiming is payload is actually carrying capacity. They told us that carrying capacity is without any fluids and payload is with all fluids. The numbers match up better when they calculated the numbers that way. My MCO says 2500lbs. When they subtracted the approximate weight of all fluids, it was closer to the 1920 we came up with. The only other problem is that the weight of the truck they are claiming is no where close.
I love the Ram 2500 interior. But this is the reason why I went with GMC 2500 At4 Duramax. My max payload on that truck is 3100 lBs, so it can tow my lite 5th wheel which has a 1460 pin weight safely and I was able to safely with a 2500 instead of going up to a 3500. Wish Ford and Dodge would up their gross vehicle weight. I had to go with the truck that could tow the camper i wanted.
Good video. I learned the same lesson with my Nissan Titan XD. Love the truck but payload is disappointing.😤
We now tow with the Nissan nv3500. Nissans are great.
I really like this video. Wish I seen it before I picked out my truck. I have the same fifth wheel you do but one year newer so no real difference. I knew the towing capacity was within spec but didn't really know much about cargo capacity. My F-250 diesel has about 100 pounds more capacity than your 2500 did so I'm pretty much in the same situation. I have plenty axle capacity and towing capacity but short on cargo so I know I have to do what you did.
Hey man 80% of us do this on the first try and the other 20% prolly got lucky. Be sure if you upgrade to a F350, be aware of the payload downgrade option as it will give you a 10000# GVWR 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork believe me, I know now to look at the info sticker now. Thanks again.
I’m picking up my new 5th wheel tomorrow. Pulling with my 2020 3/4 ram . I technically will have 59lbs of payload to work with after trailer is on. I’m going to Send it
Don't forget that really heavy B&W companion hitch. I believe mine has to be about 150lbs. That base is heavy as hell. The actual hitch is about 50lbs. Have to add that in
If only the RAM dealership sales people knew this ! - Good stuff and yes I taught my dealer why I went with the 3500 vs. 2500 , sad that consumers have to do that.
I’m gonna release a video regarding this hopefully early next week! Unfortunately it’s a issue that won’t be fixed easily.
Glad you like the video and thanks for watching!
@@JB_WhoWork Keep up the great vids JB - you could potentially save one life and wow thats priceless !!!
Eric Foren amen, Thanks!
Thanks for the video. We need to take this into account when pairing our tow vehicle and the RV. Like you I was aware of the pin weight issue. My diesel RAM 3/4 has a payload of 2,300 lbs as I kept it at base with a few extras and a 4x4. Then found a 5th wheel with a low pin weight, but still managed to have 3 slides. Gave up the self leveling to save weight. Next truck will be a 1 ton to expand our options. Ride can't be much "worse" as these are heavy duty trucks and heavy suspension is required. :-)
I got a new ram 3500 dually and they come with rear air suspension. The ride is a little stiffer than my 2500, but the stability is worth it.
@@eyeout question: you said the suspension is stiffer on the 3500 but how does it compare to the crappy Gen 3 2500 5.9L suspension? Now that was rough! Anyhow, second part of my question is what happens when you equip the Z71 Off-road Suspension Package? Does it improve a 3500 and does it change the load/max tow capacity? Thanks in advance, God Bless!
I’m thinking more and more about the long bed 3500 for maneuverability/cab clearance. I really want a Mega Cab but now you are looking at a 40 foot long truck with a 40+ ft 5th wheel 😂🤣😂🤣
@@rocketman3776 so if you add any off road package that usually means a lower tow rating. Off road suspension usually makes it a soft more absorbent ride. As for towing a 40’ tow hauler I’d definitely go with the 3500 and probably the dually too. It’s capable enough to get your rig off road but it’s not going to be articulating on any trails. I skipped the mega cab because the new trucks are already big enough to seat a tall grown man in the back in comfort. Check the inside of the doors for their payload rating. That’s where you’ll see the off road packages really lower.
The dealer will tell you it has the same tow rating but leave out the payload. Payload is what you need for a 2,200lbs pin weight on those toy haulers.
My 2021 3500 4x4 single rear wheel long bed is 8660 with me 184 lb generator and fifth wheel. My front axel is 6000 rear axel 7000
My gvwr is 12300 lbs .my load capacity is 3640
Although I don’t recommend....I was over payload on my 14 Ram diesel by about 3000 lbs every trip. loaded 40 ft toy hauler, with 2 sxs’s, water and fuel. Family of 3 and dogs and firewood in bed....I did have air bags, 4.10 gears, and very upgraded brakes....🤷🏽♂️ never had issues.
Thank you, very useful information!
On one of your videos 📹 you were talking about fuel usage and price. 4-9-2022 I paid $6.54 per gallon. I put 22.6 gallons in my ram . The cost was $148 . Change.
That’s insane… this is out of control!
The difference in cost from a 3500 to a 2500 is minimal, about 2k. Which is about 2.6% of the total cost of the truck. Well worth the safety and piece of mind.
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Very informative I finally got the answer I was looking for thanks.
No problem 👍🏾
I have a 2005 Chevy 2500HD Duramax crew cab I use to tow a gooseneck. I only tow my Jeep and other cars plus misc loads. Gooseneck weighs 4200lbs plus Jeep around 5000lbs. At 20% pin weight, it's about 1840lbs. I can tell you, that's about the extent of weight I want to haul with that truck. It does well, but you can certainly tell you're loaded down. I don't know how all these other people towing huge fifth wheels etc with the same truck as I have thinking it's comfortable or safe? There is no way they aren't over loaded in a 2500...you get there quick.
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So clearly explained! thank you
Very informative video, thank you for putting all those numbers together. I am currently in the same situation that you were... I have a 40 ft 367fls Cougar and I’m towing it with a F250 diesel. I have a bit more payload capacity though at 2,562 however I’m still about 400 lbs over when fully loaded. May I ask what the payload capacity is on your new 3500?
Thanks! I’m assuming you have front living which are slightly heavier in regards to pin. I did a video with my new truck a little after this one but I think it’s 3700#+.
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I used to own an old 2007 Ram 1500 5.7L Big Horn half-ton 4X4. The interior sucks and it was under power. Now I drive a 2018 Chevy half-ton 1500 LT Z71 4X4, but I am going to sell it and buy a one-ton truck with gas (not need diesel for what I tow. My trailer only weighs 5000-5500 lbs loaded).
Would you recommend a 2020/2021 3500 6.4L (Tradesman) 4X4?
I don't want a 3/4 ton, and I don't need a diesel.
Definitely! It will most likely be a factory order as that truck tends to be a unicorn at least where I live 👍🏾
Great video. Thanks for the info. I just bought a new 21 Ram 3500 dually Laramie. Love the truck. Payload is like 5670. Tow capacity just under 20k. What ballpark range should I look at 5th wheel RV's? Want to make sure im gonna be safe and legal towing. Wife and are gonna start full time RV. I'm looking at 15 to 18k GVWR for trailer.
Congrats on the new truck, you can pretty much go crazy with that truck lol! It would be hard to find a trailer that truck can’t pull and stay within the limits. The only exception would be how you load your truck with gear/accessories and what you can store on the front of the Fifth Wheel, apart from that, enjoy your RV search with peace of mind 👍🏾
Hey JB, I’m from NC. I have been looking at 2500 bighorn or Laramie crew cab for daily driver work truck and to pull a future tow behind travel camper. I love your reviews and videos. I am not sure to do 4x4 or 2x4. Would 4x4 be beneficial doing weekend camping trips? Have you used the 4x4 in 2500 much?
How does the gas hemi engine compare to the Cummins I6
To answer your questions, I would never buy a truck without 4X4 only because I seem to get stuck a lot when I’ve driven other trucks without it and resale value suffers up north if you don’t have it. Gas vs diesel depends on how you plan to travel, if you plan on climbing a lot of 6% grades and will be going down them, a diesel will be better but if you drive on flat road surfaces, a gas will do just fine. Just make sure you opt for the 4.10 axle if you choose a HEMI. Fuel economy will be better for diesel so if you plan on driving 20k a year this may have better benefits too. I like the idea of a diesel only because I travel with the flow of traffic and like the convenience of the extra tq and diesel exhaust brake 👍🏾
Excellent explanation. Thank you.
Man wish I would've seen this before buying my 2500
A friend of mine has an F-350 and I have an F-250. He has a higher payload but the difference is an overload spring. Yes he has a Dana axle, which in the real world won’t make a difference for a private owner. I have 3:31 gearing and he has 3:55 gearing. I had a 2019 F-150 Ecoboost that was about 200 lbs payload less than my 2020 F-250 with the 6.7. So how can that be? Why is the F-250 maxed at the arbitrary 10,000 lbs?
Apparently in commifornia, where everything either causes cancer or “Covid”, anything above 10k# requires a commercial license.
Thanks brother, we are on the same page.
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Nice work!! This guy got it right on all aspects. Take heed rv'ers, you get involved in a accident, not even your fault and you could have some very serious problems. It's your responsibility to know just what the hell you are doing when hauling alot of weight. Better be prepared!!!
Well said!!
Tongue weight for a 6500 lb bumper pull trailer is about 500-700 lbs max
Thank you. We are in the market and I keep going back and forth o. The 250 vs 350 for the cougar 364mbi
No problem, Gas 2500 or diesel 3500 is typically what I recommend.
Just have to make sure you have at least 500#’s (or more) of payload after trailer/passengers are loaded up 👍🏾
Great explanation!
Awesome info!
Excellent video JB
Good video only thing I can add 2500 and 3500 single raer have the same towing capacity just payload. But!!! They are really same truck same same breaks same axles little bit different on rear suspension on different years. Only reallything differential payload you are right hears the catch what you pay on dmv fees what different on 2500 vs 3500 single rear and yes manufacturers say that has more pay load real world they are same truck in way. I pull 40foot toy hauler with 2500 trailer weigh 17k fully loaded rear drive axle weights 6300 not over loading my drives great on my steer but I know I should have dually but that's just payload I'm over of 2500 truck. That's my two cents
That was near impossible to read through ...
Not true, 3500 beats it in every category, more hp, more torque, and the 3500 is gonna handle heavier weights easier and handle more gooseneck
If you get into an accident and you’re over your payload capacity, good luck getting your insurance to pay for it.
A 40’ hauler weighing 17k is not meant for a 2500. That’s why they make a 3500. If a 2500 was just as good, no one would buy the 3500. Everyone would just save money and get the cheaper truck.
I hope your still talking about srw 2500 vs 3500 they are the same trucks. Just different rear suspension on 2014 and newer, Axles, brakes, tires are the same! So think about this really hard the hot shot guys or the five car haulers are pulling more then what a 3500 drw truck on manufactured specs then they put a 40k or 35k sticker on the side then they are legal so don’t quote me dot cares about being over on your tires max weight . Just think about a two axle or three axle big rig. They pull same combined weight just different trailers.
Silver Cummins prove to me that a hot shot guy is rolling into a scale pulling over his GVWR. That just really showed your lack of understanding. The whole point of scales are to make sure you’re not pulling over your weight. If you get caught you get huge fines and they won’t let you leave the scales without getting down to your legal limit.
The issue you will face with payload is the suspension. That’s why one is a 2500 and one is a 3500. If you’re going over your payload, your insurance might not cover you if you get in an accident. They might look like the same truck but they are not. They have different suspension for different hauling capacities. Otherwise they wouldn’t have the different classes of truck.
You need a new truck in order to be complying with the law. But go ahead and be butt hurt about it.
Yes Very Helpful Video👍👍
Those numbers are just suggestions. If your front wheels aren't lifted off the ground by the trailer then you are ok.