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2023 Ram HD 6.4L Hemi VS 2023 Ram HD 6.7L Cummins: Is The Diesel Really Better?
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- Опубликовано: 15 авг 2024
- Today I compare a 2023 Ram HD 6.7L Cummins to a 2023 Ram HD 6.4L Hemi V8!
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I own both. My opinion is towing, both seem to do great, I’m towing only 11,000, the hemi has no problem. When stopping with a heavy trailer the Cummins is so much more stable. However I bought the 6.4 hemi about 6 months ago only because $4.30 gal diesel vs $2.88 gal gas. Regardless of how I only get 12mpg in my 6.4 it’s only $71 to fill up and it drives like a hot rod around town. My Cummins only gets 14mph (it is a Dually) and cost $114 to fill up. The hemi is so much more fun to just drive daily vs the Cummins. Love them both but the question really is towing and how often. If you tow daily stay away from the 6.4 hemi, I only tow once a month so that’s why I have both. I tow the machine shops products with the Cummins Dually and the 2500 hemi is my family truck, boat, Home Depot run etc.
How can the price difference be so high for you? I don’t want to call BS on you but is it possible that you’re maybe stretching the facts a bit here? I live in Canada where we are much more heavily taxed on fuel and diesel is only 6.9 cents more per litre here in my area right now (about 26 cents per us gallon…)?? I’m not a math or an economics whiz but according to my (flawed?🤔) calculations, your stated price difference works out to around 37 cents per litre. That’s a 5.3X higher price difference. Doesn’t seem logical. 🤷🏻♂️
@@DanielSon69 here in the US not communist Canada Diesel is between $1.20 to $2.50 more per gallon depending on what state you live in. The liberals in California decided diesel is dirty so they put more taxes on manufacturing diesel and the prices we gallon. It sucks and I hope we the people take back the country soon from these evil liberals.
In the US we are taxed by the state and the federal government. “We are taxed twice it adds up”, you can call BS but you will feel really crispy when you realize everyone in the US pays average of $1.50 more per gallon for diesel over gas.
What that’s absolutely trash on a diesel engine my duramax it’s 70 bucks to fill and last me weeks.
@@DanielSon69in Saskatchewan summer of 2022. Gas was 40 cents cheaper then diesel. 2$ diesel. 1.60$ gas
The experience of someone that owns both is invaluable. Thanks for sharing!
I own the 6.4 Hemi. It's tows my gooseneck dump trailer and my 11k 5th wheel. I'm at 34k miles in 2 years. Towing up and down the east coast. I have no desire or want for a diesel.
It’s pretty crazy to know that the 6.4 HD is not too far from the 6.7. I had a 6.7 in 2018 and because of diesel prices, I have switched to the 6.4. Remove the mid muffler from the 6.4 and enjoy the sound and increase in air flow. I have a cold air intake and straight pipe. The 6.4 has definitely the smack you in the face power and in my opinion, more fun to drive. Having had both, I would say that if you are consistently towing(not payload), use the 6.7. If you are driving the truck often and doing occasional towing, get the 6.4. It’s cheaper to purchase, cheaper to fill up and unless you want to spend a couple grand in deleting your truck, you will not have to buy DEF. The 6.4 has a plethora of mods that are cheaper as well.
The diesel will always burn more fuel if it’s not running at normal operating temp. Driving two ice cold engines around the block is about the worst way possible to compare fuel economy 🤦🏻♂️
For someone who reviews/ sells these vehicles for a living he should have already known that!😂😅
In Canada I have seen the 6.7 get 22 mph you have to let the diesel get up to temperature to maximize fuel efficiency
@@wildmanofthewynooch7028most people drive their trucks around town
Just purchased a 6.4 gas and absolute love it. I was skeptical at first because I have owned 5 diesel trucks. I haul hay my farm equipment and cattle I’m good
Unfortunately the DIESEL DEF system will FAIL in due time leaving you in LIMP mode. When you call the DEALER you will have an average 1 week or more lead time because they dont have enough DIESEL mechanics. SAVE your $10,000 and get the HEMI... you can buy a lot of gas with that money and most likely never have an issue. PEACE OUT - great reviews BEN
Or just do a DEF and DPF delete. That's what I did lol
Left my EGR intact
@RUclipsrs with long RUclips names are interesting it expands the longevity of your truck. These emission systems recycle the exhaust back into your engine so its less pollutant. Delete it and you won't run into any issues with your system failing because that mess gets expensive.
@Kevin that’s more of a suggestion
Not in california you can get fine and criminal chargers for it since they pushing zero emission vehicles. I own a 1500 duramax 2 years already and is super reliable I save a lot on gas making a lot of mpg and never had any issues with def. I can’t speak for Cummins def though but I don’t know why I read a lot of problems with rams the truck looks beautiful and I had commercial Cummins before they super heavy duty def would break as if you were doing some heavy duty businesses like hauling containers or such. But I don’t thing for the regular folk def wouldn’t bother as much.
You could get a fine in any state for delete but then again what are the chances since speed limits are now just a recommendation pretty much
Better way to do a test is getting them both up to operating temp first .
The shift "knob" on the gas version would drive me nuts, especially when plowing snow...
You get used to it fast. My 19 PW was the first year with it.
I'm a cummins fan boy, just wish modern diesels didn't have that damn def emissions crap
Unless youre actually regularly towing over 10,000 lbs, just get the 6.4. But honestly if youre not towing heavy, you’d probably be fine with most half tons with max tow package, unless you have an especially long or tall/un-aerodynamic load you regularly tow (regardless of weight - longer wheelbase = more stability)
Not even just towing, doing 20+ miles a day would justify a diesel as well.
Yeah & while you’re at it why even bother w/ a 1/2 ton? Most people don’t even tow close to max w/ those either may as well get a Tacoma….actually that gets shitty mpg, yeah should get a Subaru instead😂😂😂😂😂
IMO if you tow a lot and need the Cummins pay the extra little bit and go 3500. If you are not towing a lot go 2500 6.4 gas. I see a ton of 2500 Cummins out there towing nose up and obviously overweight. For sure the Cummins engine can tow way better than the gas Hemi, but the 2500 is not enough truck for the engine.
I own both. Hemi in 2500 mega cab longhorn and limited mega cab 3500 in diesel. Hemi fun to drive but I live in the mountains and tow horses regularly. Hemi struggles when towing anything up steep mountain slopes. Diesel is a beast. Exhaust brake is awesome too. Both road-trip great. Diesel gets WAY better fuel economy.
If you are going to tow with the Cummins get a 3500 , all around better set up with payload and towing capability.
Don't waste your money 5500 all day 3500 maybe 15,000
Not really an equal comparison, has a sunroof adds horsepower, but not torque. I'd explain it, but the math is complicated 😊
Got that backwards 6.4 towing is over 16k with the 4.10 rear. Diesel due to the engine weight i's around 14.5k. Now the 6.4 with the 3.43 rear is around 200 pounds less than the Diesel.
I seen a 5th gen Cummins dead on the side of the highway today. Get the gas unless you need. Absolutely need the diesel. Then move to a state that dosent care if you rip all the emissions crap off them. 🤣
Ram needs to do something about the payload capacities on their 3/4 trucks. 1700 pounds on a 3/4 ton diesel is ridiculous! My GMC Sierra 2500 Duramax has a payload capacity of 3000 pounds.
They want to keep the GVWR at 10,000lbs in the 3/4 ton set up in order to comply with many states’ commercial licensing laws. The 3/4 ton category is pigeon holed to that GVWR and the diesel engines from all makes suck the payload out of the 3/4 category. Simply need to step up to 1 ton trucks to get your buck out of a diesel truck.
I've loaded well past the 1700lb in the back of my 22 Ram 6.7L CCSB 4x4. They just derate these trucks for the weight compliance for licensing and stuff. I load pallets of seed for corn, beans, wheat, and never had a problem. Heck, we put a pallet of cement mix in the back, and it only leveled the trucks suspension a bit.
They absolutely derate the truck’s actual abilities for the GVWR compliance, but don’t get in an accident while hauling over the sticker weight. It becomes a much more difficult legal situation for you. It also makes the actual payload limit a mystery. The rear coil springs of the 2500 aren’t going to give the same capacity as the 3500 leaf springs, so where do you draw the line? The capabilities of the Cummins engine give a bit of a misleading impression of what the truck can safely do.
Don't have to do anything, RAM has already done everything. You just don't need to wrap yourself up on the nameplates, but look at the technique! If a person does not heavily load his truck, why torture him and shake his soul out of him with a stiff spring suspension without load ??? Here is a more comfortable coil spring! Need to load? Well, take 3500, and there already with Dully, even without them! Take the same PW. A lot of people said - Hey damn attractive truck! But we do not need so many off-road capabilities, but the payload is poor. And in general we want a diesel! RAM cuts off some off-road capabilities, adds cargo capacity, retains the looks, a wide range of options (LImited or Longhorn with HEMI not currently available), and here's the REBEL! So everything is wonderful! RAM has a truck for every taste and color!
I'd buy the diesel all day , as I don't trade in my trucks that often 15 yrs average. Buy the diesel when they offer the $ 10,000 discount on the diesel. Resale value holds as you see with the 1993 an up dodge diesels .
6.4 under 12,000 lb not towing all the time weekends and vacations
Sunroof, 4.10, Air, gasser, REBEL.....thats my next truck!
I have one and I love it!
My biggest complaint about the 6.4 with 4.10s when towing is that it’s constantly hunting for gears. When I had the Cummins it stayed in 6 most of the time. The 6.4 with the 8 speed rarely even goes into 8th when towing unless you’re going downhill. I’m not sure if the Ford 7.3 hints for gears constantly. Just a thought.
Definitely have heard complaints about the Ford’s 10 speed constantly hunting for years.
When I tow with my 6.4 I lock out 8th gear. And I can pull my 24’ cattle trailer loaded or my 30’ equipment trailer
@@srad98ful Does it hunt for gear less if you lock out 8th?
@@fivesfilms it wants to go between 7th and 8th. So yes.
With tow haul mode on and lock out 8th it’s perfect the rpm’s are right in the power band
@@srad98ful Good tip. I will try that next week when I work.
Do a comparison of the 6.4 Hemi and the 6.2 GMC. Similar torque and HP.
Hey Ben can you do a comparison between the 64 hemi in the Challenger and the one in the heavy duty truck
Lol
They are tuned very differently. The 6.4 in scatpack is tuned for HP versus the truck is tuned for torque. I believe the hellcats are using a 6.2 hemi with a supercharger.
I have owned Cummins from the early 2000s to the 2010s and love them but at the same time the cost vs use is not even. I rarely row now, and fill today is crazy stupid expensive soooo I've been thinking 6.4 since I drive more then I ever tow. Thanks for this
I want to move up to a 3/4 gas, have looked at them this week. The interest rates are crazy though so I’ll wait for those to come down.
Have fun waiting
They ain't coming down anytime soon. I just bought one today and best advice us find a simple interest loan and pay a little extra to pay off principle quicker.
Diesel engine can make 500K miles while the gas will make 200K if you are lucky.
I just had to buy a new Jasper-made hemi on my 2015 2500 after only 120K! Full-time towing about 9,000 lbs but still...
I have the 2021 3500 6.4l it's just an amazing truck to drive and pull our trailer.
Currently looking for a new landscaper truck. Planning on a 3500 dually as im putting a dump on it and a plow with a sander for the winter. There's a hemi coming in in the exact configuration I want but my question is do I wait for a Cummins to come in? Tired of the Chevy's dying on us and our ford sucks. The ford is the only truck that hasn't paid itself off as its terrible to plow with.
why i can't find 2023 limted hemi anymore?
when the new inline 6 will get to the ram 2500 ?
The 6.4 will run with less trouble than the 6.7 unless you delete the 6.7 right when it is new
that 6.4 sounds good with stock exhaust.
I like the headlights on the Gas one more. I do like that Rebel Package I'd go for it over the Power Wagon now I think.
Don't be 'that guy'...clean the snow off before hitting the road. Nobody appreciates your snow blowing off and into their windshield.
LaHEMI for me ✌️
The hemi and Cummins has all the same components except for engine. Same frame, brakes, axle. That being said, the hemi has more payload because of the GVWR. Does that make sense? Just because of the GVWR formula?
Correct, the diesel weighs alot more for sure
@@malcolmn.5222 Yes sir, it does. But you think both trucks should be at 10k? All I'm saying is ram keeps the GVWR for the 2500 the same for registration/dot purposes instead of capability of the truck configuration.
There are more differences than you think. They are paired to different transmissions, but both are smooth and quiet. The cummins 2500 has hydroboost brakes and the hemi has vacuum. People complain about the mushy brake feel of the hemi version where they have to floor the pedal to get it to stop. You can google this. The cummins also has a different exhaust system, obviously, and that wouldn't be worth noting except for the fact that the hemi cat pipes have some kind of design oversight that makes them squeal a bit like a worn serpentine belt.
I agree ben I prefer the hemi engine also.
I dont need a diesel if i tow under 10k everyday
You can absolutely tow with a gasoline truck.
Not really a fair comparison comparing a hemi to a cummins
Have owned 5 Cummins and still on a 98 12 valve that’s still a farm truck. My last diesel was a 2015 and I put 320000 miles before I dropped a valve. I just purchased a 2021 ram 6.4l with the 4:10 gears. The emissions are killing diesels. I went with the gas and I tow a 30’ gooseneck equipment trailer and a 24’ cattle trailer. This is comparison in these days with diesel fuel being higher
Is the new hood on those rebels a functional intake or just for show?
Just for show
that payload is a huge issue
The Cummins is way better then the hemi gas
3:50 Using the computer for mpg test is nothing.
That cummins will lasted longer then those gas version
This comment is old school and completely irrelevant..Both will outlast the rest of the truck.
Not with all the epa parts. Delete it and yes
First time I read or watched comparison and hemi got better mileage. ????
How can he get a comparison going around the block once ??? Waste of time !!
Old school Cummins are better get better mileage and can upgrade vary easily. The new garbage is choked so they get terrible mileage.
Not even close while towing.
Gee too much work to take the snow off the truck before driving it ? LAZY!
Cummins. - just delete, straight pipe, and tune.
Depends on location but if can do it Cummins will beat hemi in everything every time.
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I'm not typically a gas guy but the gasser takes this handily.
handily... is that a word?
@@tired_brickmason34 absolutely it is
Disagree, diesel will last much longer, resale value will be much higher as well. A dodge gasser loses value faster than any other truck brand.
@@ThatGuy-de8nq these new diesel trucks are just a pain in the butt to work with. I got the 6.4 also for that reason.
@@tired_brickmason34 I guess I'll keep my 5.9 forever
Gas. 🎉
The diesel has the same payload as my Jeep gladiator 😮
🔥🔥🔥👈
Payload is where RAM sucks! 1700lbs when your paying $80k plus for them. HD trucks should have a minimum of 2500lbs of Aylin’s! RAM step up your game, your falling behind.
The payload is dumb.