A video on cam duration vs lift and lsa . What is higher duration vs longer duration and it’s effects on performance. High lift vs low lift , LSA adjustments , and how to determine the correct size cam for a daily driver vs a track car. Thanks
I would be quite interested in seeing the hemetic. The cams removed the lefers, replaced everything replaced gone wrong. What caused it to go wrong? I believe push rods were. Put in properly left on a shelf and bent the push rots. How can this possibly happen
As a recently converted Chevy guy I'll tell you that your videos are fantastic and I've referenced them many times while repairing my 300C with a 5.7 after it dropped 2 valve seats. You're great at breaking down the system and explaining what's going with the system and why something like MDS is even there to begin with and the thinking behind the whole design. So yeah you're the best on RUclips with these modern factory Hemi engines so keep the information coming bro and thanks for the help.
Loving these deep dives. There is a ton of misinformation out there about hemis and we don't really have many ways to prove or disprove a lot of the claims. Mad respect for you taking the time to explain all of this.
I experienced the cam//lifter failure in my 2010 Ram 1500 in November and did the repair myself. Mine was the #5 intake that failed, which is a non-MDS lifter, so correct, the failure occurs with both MDS and Non-MDS lifters.
2013 RAM had #5 failure at 130k, here, also. I can't remember if it was I or E but obviously non mds lifters. #7 was starting to go as well, rollers were getting sloppy.
@shepherdguy lol. Definitely not the case. I had one on the right bank that was "arguably" marginal, #6, I believe. The cam looked rough, as in the hard coating on the lobes were shot. Nice clean engine inside, fyi. I think it was inferior hardness and weak/small bearings in the lifter rollers that are most inferior on the older engines. I also believe that the hi volume oil pump is a major/important upgrade.
In my 2022 Challenger R/T, to avoid the lifter/cam issue, I now try to keep an eye on when the engine goes below 1000 rpm. I avoid unnecessary idling (e.g., going through a drive-thru, or sitting parked with it idling to stay cool/warm). If I'm stuck in crawling traffic (which is rare), every minute or so, I rev it up to 1200-1500 and hold it there for a few seconds to "feed the lifters" the oil they need. Eventually, I'll swap out to the new higher flow Melling pump so I don't have to worry about it.
Love this entire series on the dreaded hemi lifter monster! I worked at a 5 star Chrysler dealership back in 05 when they reintroduced the charger with a hemi. I saw this on so many engines during my time there and we never really got any support from dodge on it. I have a 2019 R/T with the 5.7 so I've been eager for your content regarding this. Your research has been amazing and really appreciated! Keep up the good work!
2017 1500 Big Horn owner. Thank you so much for explaining this. I've been manually disabling this system by using the manual gear button on the steering column every drive. Going to start letting it do its thing now. I've heard so many rumors of lifter failure due to this system, however, I am a strong believer that changing your oil on time, every time is the biggest help for any vehicle. Thanks!
It's better to have it off but it's a catch 22. If you have it off cant let it idle when off and idle not get oiled. Look it up idle time is a big no no
Nice clear explanation of how the mds works, I never even thought about the need for positive cylinder pressure so the deactivated cylinders wouldn’t be trying to scavenge oil from the crankcase 🤔 Pretty cool!
Excellent explanation of this system. You have somewhat put my anxiety to rest. I just bought a 2024 2500 RAM with with the 6.4l so I can tow a camping trailer. I will be doing frequent (5000 mile) oil changes to protect my engine from failure if possible. Thanks again for making this video.
This video is a keeper! I have a 2011 RAM with the 5.7 Hemi, automatic transmission, 2WD. I really like the truck, and I am obsessed with maintenance and reliability. This information has helped me understand the MDS system and strengthens my resolve to change the oil and filter every 3K using full synthetic oil and top-tier filters. I look forward to seeing your next video. Thanks sincerely.
I found your explanation not only highly qualifying, but your delivery kept the topic interesting. With engine swapping becoming like a luncheon menu it is relevant to realize that the majority of horror stories of engine failure usually submit to proper maintenance "Change your oil and filter regulrly". Respectfully, Biff DeMartino
I've seen a bunch of videos on this topic, and I will say that I truly got a better understanding of this system from this video. Thanks 👍! With that being said, I currently own a 5th Gen hemi 1500 Crew cab bighorn. This is my 3rd hemi truck. I'm not a fan of waiting 7,500 miles between oil change, so I do mine at 4,000 miles, religiously and have had no issues. 2019 currently with 57k miles. Oil change is critical for any engine to run well.
I turned off the MDS in our '14 300C 5.7 hemi about 4 years ago, using my tuner tool along with loading a hotter tune in the ECM, car returns 21-24 mpg with all 8 cylinders firing while driving at highway speeds. Works for me, have the option to turn it back on if I sell the car in the future. Mileage with MDS on was about the same, but the noise from it operating was enough to drive a person nuts, thus, good reason to turn it off IMHO. I also run a factory stock exhaust off my 6-speed Challenger, so resonance will be different in that exhaust, and it has 2.5" tubing as opposed to 2.25" stock system. I keep oil & filter changed with good synthetic oil at or around 4K miles, no crud or sludge deposits inside this engine at all. Great tutorial on this system, thanks Skye!
Hello. Could the noise you were experiencing with the mds active be described as vibration? Mine seems to be a vibration and I'm worried it may fail and leave me stuck or worse
@@youngnolo451 no, noise was from the engine running on 4 cylinders in MDS mode. My new Chrysler 300C 6.4 hemi makes the same noise when in MDS but quite a bit more muted.
@@padue2503 if you reply directly to Havasu's comment, he should get a notification and should answer your question, he'll never return to this video to read the comments unless someone replies to his comment directly
I have to say the 6.4l HEMI has been very good for our company and we work the dog shit out of them hauling 400 gallons of water in the bed driving all over the place on Oil Lease roads 12-14 hour days 5 days a week with lots of idling time. I stayed with 0W-40W Mobile 1 and currently sitting at 175k miles on a 2018 only problems we had were a fuel pump failure at 68k and a Radiator failure at 167k miles. I still do not hear any sounds of the Lifter roller failure yet. Out of our fleet of trucks we have lost 2 engines one to the lifter cam failure, but that truck was not serviced as it should have been and failed at 150k miles. To me the the 150k mile mark has been worth the engine performance we have gotten out of it. Had it been properly serviced like I have done to mine I believe they would make 200k. I am fixing to move into my new 2024 with a 6.4l work truck and will update it through its life time. I have learned a few things since that time from this channel that I will be doing with my new truck. Through its flaws I still think the 6.4l Hemi has been a damn good engine.
it was cool to see the oil gallerys thru the lifter bores. its good to get this kind of detail so i know what to expect when i build a 5.7 . Your oil testing tool will be a cool video. cant wait to see it. take it easy sir.
Sky, can you cover the 8HP70 transmissions, in particular the difference when running in Sport Mode via button, versus the ‘S’ position on the shifter knob? Seen many of your MDS videos, and by far appreciated explaining how not all HEMI’s come with it. Thank you!
I skimmed through the comments but didn't see anything related to the exhaust manifolds leaking. It is pretty coincidental that the exhaust bolts started breaking in the 4th Gen Rams when MDS was introduced. Then Ram beefed up the bolts for the 5th Gen Hemi Rams, which then only moved the problem to the manifolds cracking, which are now the week point. Many suspect that the MDS causes the exhaust temperatures from the "disabled cylinders" to be cooler than the exhaust from the "active cylinders", which causes uneven heating of the manifolds. These exhaust leaks started when MDS was introduced.
Great job explaining. I love learning the how and why about how things work. I feel like there's so much speculation in regards to the mds system and lifter failure. It's invaluable to get insight from people like you with repeated first-hand experience. Great video, love the content. Can't wait to see the oil pressure demonstration.
Very comprehensive video, thank you. For people who are not so technical, like myself, a quick hint. It's enough to change the gearbox setting in your auto mode to sport, or simply switch to sport drive mode (or track) and the MDS is off. Tried it on mine 2020 392 Challenger SC.
I love these style videos. Learning as much as I can about the engine in my truck. I went through a lifter failure recently, now I have a new engine. I don't want that happening again, and I wanna get another 200k miles outta my girl. These videos are incredibly helpful!
GREAT video thank you for explaining how this system works!! I really enjoy these videos explaining how the Hemi works keep them coming. Could you potentially do an entire oiling system review on the Hemi motor? I would love to see the entire oil path...
Great explanation of the system. I am one of the people who have seen 23 - 24 mpg in my 08 Charger with the cruise set at 80mph on the interstate between Idaho Falls and Boise on more than one trip. We could see 16 - 17 mpg around town if we keep the road rage under control. In my RAM, especially the 10 model, it didn't do much once you get above 50 - 55. Throttle position is one of the factors for activation, and the trucks are heavy and requires more throttle at higher speed to maintain which puts it out of range. Love your videos, keep up the great informative content!
Good morning, first I love your videos and thank you for educating me. I am no technician, however, your videos has given me the courage to perform tasks on my 2019 dodge charger. One question, can the cam be damaged and the lifters are not? I am getting misfiring in 3 and 5. Dodge techs could not find out what the problem is. Everything is new to the pistons. Please help. Thnx!
I just got a 2024 RAM Hemi. This Vid really makes sense of the MDS system , the RAM system is really not that cumbersome and it's generally smooth. Now our Subaru Stop /Start is a shit show but after watching this vid I'm letting it do it's thing. Thank You, good stuff.!!!
Fantastic video! Thank you for this. I am currently rebuilding my 5.7 out of my 2012 Ram 1500 Big Horn with 185,000 miles. Why am I rebuilding? Because I ignored my lifter tick for too long and completely lost cylinders 7 and 3 due to my thoroughly trashed cam. Guess which of those two cylinders has nothing to do with the MDS system??? So, yes, I can confirm that the MDS likely has nothing to do with the lifter failure. However, I do not really have a high amount of idle time on the truck so my failure is definitely due to either poor oil pump performance OR some kind of debris decreased oil flow to the top.
Brilliant video, I’ve always wondered how this system works and if it a good thing to have. You explained it very clearly. The only thing I didn’t hear you mention is how critical is it to use the correct oil for this system to work properly. Thank you for a great video. I drive a 05 Jeep Grand Cherokee with the 5.7 and love this Jeep.
When I'm cruising on the highway at 60 in my Rubicon 392, fully loaded with well over 800 pounds, I've been seeing 21 mpg on a 250 mile trip over a pass in Utah. My Jeep has a light that tells me when MDS is active (4 CYL). But I don't need to see the light to know it is on. I can feel it in my seat. The engine (or exhaust) vibrates when MDS is active.
Thanks. Having some relation to ECM tuning, I can't even count how many times I've been hearing that sad-sad story about the MDS killing the engine. No, sir, It's absolutely not you using cheap engine oil and extending the oil change intervals, it's the dumb MDS. But here finally is a video that I can share, just to explain the whole thing. Thanks again! My 2c - I personally think that what could really improve MDS operation is increasing the torque output of the engine. We're talking about N/A street daily driver engines, so no forced induction here - but a good AFR in all modes and some nice and smooth spark maps with more advance definitely help. Factory Ram tune is quite conservative to make it operable on low-octane fuel, but if the owner is ready to forget about the low-octane forever - then we can get more torque and efficiency out of the engine without sacrificing the mileage or the lifetime. And it would work for both V8 and V4 modes. Sadly, the well-known calibration editor for Dodge kind of lacks in terms of accesible MDS-related parameters. I've seen and experienced the same effect on GM trucks, 3rd gen Tahoes and Escalades mostly. Proper tune for a stock engine is a world of difference, and the AFM/DoD, which is GM's name for variable displacement system, really helps save some fuel on the long highway trips and moderate throttle city drives. Anyway, this has been a great video and definitely looking forward to the actual work demonstration that you've mentioned. Keep up this awesome channel!
Having just purchased a 2023 RAM 1500 classic (before they go bye bye) I appreciate this insight very much. I do have to decide on which oil to use, maybe Royal Purple or Penzoil high performance. I'll keep the MDS until I need to get into the engine. TKS!
That's a great choice of vehicle. I like the classic version myself, and those trucks are very well sorted. We rarely see too many serious issues with them.
in my case, it was a non-MDS lifter that failed, on cylinder number 5. Mine was due to previous owners who should have earned the car a salvage title who never ever did maintenance work on the car. When I changed the oil filter, it was 2 years old.
2015 Ram short box/ reg cab. Hemi with no issues at 195,000 kms. Do my own synthetic oil changes. Best highway run last summer pulled 25 mpg, pretty good. Truck has catch can and muffler delete, MDS not a problem or issue for me.
Cooling system upgrades. 180 degree thermostat, larger radiator. Transmission cooler. Things to keep the engi e cooler and in the performance band in the South during summer. We don't really have a winter.
One of the best vids I've seen about the cam issue. I have a 6.4 scat and it had the cam problem. I will agree the car is not made to idle. It's a design flaw in the block. If you commute in a car like this sitting in rush hour traffic then you will have the cam problem. You say the MDS is well thought out. I don't agree. It's an inefficient add on because of cafe standards. With my car MDS is off in sport mode and I purchased a tuner to turn off MDS in regular drive mode. It's been 4 years since the cam was replaced and it runs like a top. The MDS would come on in 3rd gear, the motor/exhaust had a weird drone and you have to punch the gas pedal to get out of it. I get 1 to 2 mpg better on highway without MDS. It cost 6 grand to replace the cam then. I can only image what it costs today.
I am curious that if the MDS system improves lubrication and good that it remain on, why does the Tow/Haul setting prevent MDS operation? You would think that at a time when the engine needs the most lubrication, that it should remain functioning? Many times when steady cruising on the highway that MDS can turn on while towing but won't due to being in Tow/Haul mode.
Great question. I'm also wondering if MDS improves oil lubrication, when cold starting the engine allegedly the lifter bores are not getting proper oil lubrication or when you're WOT when oil flow I'd moat important because MDS is not activated during these times
Well if its cutting off half the engine... pretty sure its not giving more oiling when on. That being said my oil psi stays above 50 when driving or when mds kicks on
So as a “poor man’s” mds delete, is it bad for the engine/lifters if we just drive exclusively with manual mode on the auto-stick? I’m not a fan of the factory shift logic and prefer shifting myself anyway. I am wondering if this is somehow bad for the lifters never collapsing for 4 cylinder mode? Any thoughts, please? Thanks for the amazing content!
Thx for information another sight said To put it in track mode and keep MDS off. 😢apparently what your saying it’s bad for engine. I’ve been doing this for a month on my SRT. Thx for sharing
The 2007 Chrysler 300C 6.1 Hemi SRT8 automatic does not have MDS either. I've had no issues with this car after 15 years ownership. It would nice to lift the idle rpm up from 650 ish to 750-800 rpm. This would also provide better oil pressure at idle. I use Mobil 1 FSynthetic 5-40W oil.
I actually got 30.8 MPG with my Scat when I drove from Vermont to Maine for vacation. I always run in Eco Mode on road trips, but Sport and Track Modes when I am around town, then I can do the Scat Toosie....lol
Thanks for another amazing video! These deep dives into how the various systems work are fantastic. I have a '17 Cahallenger Scat 6.4 manual, and just bought a '23 Ram 5.7 (gets delivered tomorrow, pretty pumped, first NEW truck) anyway, saw a video on another channel about the tick and oil viscosity. Poster claimed dodge changed the recommended oil at some point to a lower viscosity, and that going back to 5w30 from (i think) he said 0w20, fixed his tick. Did dodge change viscosity recomendations at some point? And whats your take on this? Thanks, and keep it up!
Brother, I think your channel is pretty good and I'm glad that there are channels like yours, I've learned a lot from your videos and I've also put into practice many of the things you've explained and taught...! good job and may you be very successful
I just bought a used 2016 Ram with 113k miles runs great it's in excellent condition i knew nothing about this mds or cam issue first time owning a Dodge always been a Ford owner. I noticed it has the cold start tick and goes away after about 30 seconds warming up. I ran it with the mds off for about 500 highway miles and noticed that it had a much weaker start like it wouldn't fire up as strong so then i watched this video thinking maybe not running the mds the way it's intended is not a good idea you explained that very well i appreciate it. I was getting about 17mpg with mds off and now 18 with mds eco mode active. It starts up much stronger too the way it should.
Love these walk through videos. Actually seeing the parts and how they work in detail helps tremendously because I know nothing about this stuff. I am a little confused though on one thing - if MDS is off, is there any oil making it to the lifters? A lesser amount of oil? In either case, isn’t that a bad thing? I don’t know anything about engines but you’d think less oil is bad (even if the oil pump is pumping the max amount).
Would enabling a high idle function do the same thing if your sitting in your vehicle for a while? Emergency vehicles idle very often and municipalities don't want to pay alot for modifications
Great video, clear explanation, you know your stuff. I have the MDS on my 2015 300C and I love it. I am a conservative driver and when I take my car on the road I can get between 27 and 30 mpg. You said you have not seen numbers like 24 mpg before. Am I not to believe my trip summary?
Very good video. Thanks so much for the educational content. Could you do a video on why you think the 5.7 and 6.2 Hemi’s seem to be prone to dropping valve seats? GM also has an issue with that on their 6.2 V8’s. I would love to hear your take on that issue.
Thanks for a great video! really informative, especially the part about the oil flow. I wonder if those galleries are just the engineering solution of how to activate a mechanism on a push rod inside the engine and not truly for lubrication. I feel like it would be a fatal flaw to have a oil flow that would be limited whenever the truck is towing or running hard (when MDS is off naturally).
How about those of us that want to keep the MDS working, but still want a bit more cam for some power gains? Any options there, or are we basically stuck in an "either/or" type situation.
Hello Sky! Since I start watching RUclips, try to find information who fits my problem on, 2014, Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi! Lifter failure, and cam! Maybe this cause of forget to shut off my engine for several hours! Anyhow, rebuilt my engine. this time decide to cancel MDS. and Parts has been purchased from Comp Cams performance, and MMX Modern Muscle Xtreme. here are the upgrade parts: (-NSR Stage 1 HRT 216/222 Hydraulic Roller Cam for Dodge 5.7L HEMI w/ VVT 2009+ Part# 201-300-17 -Chrysler HEMI Phaser Limiter Kit Part# 5761CPG -Evolution OE-Style No Link Bar Hydraulic Roller Lifters w/Yokes for Dodge Gen III HEMI 5.7L/6.1L/6.2L/6.4L Engins- Set of 16 Part# 85601Y-16 system. MPVI2 HEMI Engine Tuner by HP Tuners with 2 points - NEW Hellcat Oil Pump (Fits all VVT engines) Using HP tuner tool. Driving the brand new engine follow the breaking step. since everything runs fine (accumulating around 500 miles so far) except one think check engine light still coming back. Giving me this code. P000B SES, Pending, Current, Permanent Exhaust (B) Camshaft Position Slow Response Bank1. This Pinpointing the VVT technology system and my case: Phaser Limiter Kit I use to change the angle. So question? I don’t know how to rewrite my ECM to be able to turn that check engine light off? Help! I appreciate and enjoying your hard work you put in and everything you do to Mopar Chrysler owners my appreciation, Daniel.
I don't like the fact that all manufacturers have issues. In order to reach the standards they need to I feel that they are moving away from the set ups that work really well. Back in the '80s some of this stuff was tried and it failed. Now we are still trying to get it to work right.
I'd have to agree. The fact that the government keeps moving the goal posts in regards to how vehicle must perform means they are constantly redesigning systems trying to meet these standards, only to have to completely change them again a few years later. It means there's not enough development time in each platform to correct the issues before they have to clean sheet another design that then has its own problems. And the cycle repeats over and over. 🙄
I flew to Ohio from California to drive back a 2013 RT charger with 63k miles in 2019. At 80mph I average 26mpg on freeway all day. Now it has procharger and average 16mpg in city.
I personally didnt see any problem with turning off my mds on my 06 300. Had it turned off for about 2 years before i got it cammed and deleted. Cam had no wear and the lifters looked just fine too.
I love this on my 14 ram. Took the first trip from Athens Georgia to Amelia Island Florida in July. Driveway to driveway it averaged 25.1 mpg. I did travel back roads where it stayed between 60 and 70 mph most of the trip because that was the fastest (straight route). Was over 26 until the 70 miles of interstate where i went up to 75 -80 mph. I will leave it operational until it wipes a cam lobe. Then i have a serious dilemma. Keep the mpg or make more power and lose a lot of mpg.
I've had my 2015 5.7 Ram since new and continue to have zero of the problems people warn about on these engines. MDS is a great way to maintain dynamic compression under light throttle without EGR & with a single camshaft. The dudes who always complain about MDS are like the old guys 40 years ago who didn't want to let go of carburetors and distributors.
Same boat here, 2015 hemi ram no real issues, but I change the oil myself. There are a lot of oil change places that don’t change the oil and act like they did. I also don’t baby it, it is a hemi after all.
Good video overall. The only thing that threw me off is the fact that you said its worse to hit your tow/haul button every time you drive to deactivate the MDS for lubrication issues. In essence, if that was true, whats the sense of having the MDS if your a person that hauls alot or you live in a hilly area like me and the MDS is barely being used even if I have it on. Just a bit confused on that comment. So if someone buys a Ram truck to do alot of pulling or hauling, you should not get one with the MDS cause you'll have issues down the road due to lubrication? Thats what I'm picking up off of that comment. All the lifters better be getting the same lubrication at all times with or without the MDS system on. If not, thats a poor design in my opinion.
Don't know if it was the MDS entirely that smoked my cam lobes , But after 4 lobes all but flattened and lifter rollers eaten up to the point of detonation..I opted to go with a solid lifter cam along with 2500 lifters. MDS block offs and a diablo flash. Night and day power difference. Obviously not as good fuel mileage but I bought a Hemi...I wanted a Hemi. Not a 4 banger. 2009 264k still rolling strong.
What mileage did the cam fail? I mean you have 264,000 miles so you cant really complain..I worked on Toyota Corolla's with 150,000 miles and they needed engine rebuilds/replacements..
@mypronouniswtf5559 did the tear down and rebuild at around 203k. I'm the second owner so I'm not sure off the previous idle time but being from New Hampshire I have to assume there there plenty of auto starts for heat and defrosts during the colder months
My 2016 5.7 ram just rolled 142k since new I have always used the gear down and put in 8 and that keeps the eco mode off. I never run it in eco mode. I average 18 to 20 mpg. I also have a catch can, intake and exhaust. Put a can of sea foam in the gas once a month and change oil spring and fall sometimes in the summer too. Not 1 issue knock on wood.
Love the content, thank you! I’m about to do a cam and lifter job. It’s a Durango and will be used as a daily driver. Should I delete the MDS or keep it?
When we take our 6 hour drive to the beach every year in our 2012 Jeep Overland, I regularly get 24 mpg on the highway. Normal driving in the city though, no better than 11 mpg. But combined, I get about 14 mpg...about what I get with my 2005 that has the V6 engine....
when I had my 2015 Challenger R/T I was getting 28mpg with highway driving while the MDS was active, and 22-24 with mixed driving. I always thought MDS was the best of both worlds, great milage when you wanted it (with the expense of v8 sounds), and great v8 sounds with a push of the sport button that turns it off.
The MDS gives me a 2-3 mpg boost on my RAM 1500 ( ECO modes shows in the dash display when it is active) by cruising at 70mph vs , say, 75mph. Sadly one of my MDS solenoids failed at 90K causing a mis-fire on Cylinder #7. Expensive manifold off job, I replaced all 4 solenoids.
I left MDS solenoids installed and plugged in with Big Cam/heads/VVT limited and non-MDS lifters. Not necessary to remove and plug, in fact it’ll limit corrosion on the receptacles. 😊 obviously the tune is the dictator
Let me know if you like this sort of video, and what system would you like to see me cover next? Thank you for watching!
How about traction control and ABS
A video on cam duration vs lift and lsa . What is higher duration vs longer duration and it’s effects on performance. High lift vs low lift , LSA adjustments , and how to determine the correct size cam for a daily driver vs a track car. Thanks
How about a video on common LX car problems such as suspension and driveshafts?
I would be quite interested in seeing the hemetic. The cams removed the lefers, replaced everything replaced gone wrong. What caused it to go wrong? I believe push rods were. Put in properly left on a shelf and bent the push rots. How can this possibly happen
@@gordonleakey6830 he has done videos about this, look back at the playlist and you can find them.
Being a 2015 Ram 5.7 owner, I appreciate every video you do on these engines!
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As a recently converted Chevy guy I'll tell you that your videos are fantastic and I've referenced them many times while repairing my 300C with a 5.7 after it dropped 2 valve seats. You're great at breaking down the system and explaining what's going with the system and why something like MDS is even there to begin with and the thinking behind the whole design. So yeah you're the best on RUclips with these modern factory Hemi engines so keep the information coming bro and thanks for the help.
Loving these deep dives. There is a ton of misinformation out there about hemis and we don't really have many ways to prove or disprove a lot of the claims. Mad respect for you taking the time to explain all of this.
I experienced the cam//lifter failure in my 2010 Ram 1500 in November and did the repair myself. Mine was the #5 intake that failed, which is a non-MDS lifter, so correct, the failure occurs with both MDS and Non-MDS lifters.
My 14 and my dads 15 were both #5 exhause non mds lifter
Most of the time I hear about failures, it seems to be the intakes, but your cases show the exhaust gets affected as well.
2013 RAM had #5 failure at 130k, here, also. I can't remember if it was I or E but obviously non mds lifters. #7 was starting to go as well, rollers were getting sloppy.
@@stanlojewski6761 Oh, don't let John Smith see this post...he claims is only one lifter and the other 15 are always good.
@shepherdguy lol. Definitely not the case. I had one on the right bank that was "arguably" marginal, #6, I believe. The cam looked rough, as in the hard coating on the lobes were shot. Nice clean engine inside, fyi. I think it was inferior hardness and weak/small bearings in the lifter rollers that are most inferior on the older engines. I also believe that the hi volume oil pump is a major/important upgrade.
In my 2022 Challenger R/T, to avoid the lifter/cam issue, I now try to keep an eye on when the engine goes below 1000 rpm. I avoid unnecessary idling (e.g., going through a drive-thru, or sitting parked with it idling to stay cool/warm). If I'm stuck in crawling traffic (which is rare), every minute or so, I rev it up to 1200-1500 and hold it there for a few seconds to "feed the lifters" the oil they need. Eventually, I'll swap out to the new higher flow Melling pump so I don't have to worry about it.
Love this entire series on the dreaded hemi lifter monster! I worked at a 5 star Chrysler dealership back in 05 when they reintroduced the charger with a hemi. I saw this on so many engines during my time there and we never really got any support from dodge on it.
I have a 2019 R/T with the 5.7 so I've been eager for your content regarding this. Your research has been amazing and really appreciated! Keep up the good work!
2017 1500 Big Horn owner. Thank you so much for explaining this. I've been manually disabling this system by using the manual gear button on the steering column every drive. Going to start letting it do its thing now. I've heard so many rumors of lifter failure due to this system, however, I am a strong believer that changing your oil on time, every time is the biggest help for any vehicle. Thanks!
Same here!!
It's better to have it off but it's a catch 22. If you have it off cant let it idle when off and idle not get oiled. Look it up idle time is a big no no
Very excited to see your visual oil pressure system!!
Nice clear explanation of how the mds works, I never even thought about the need for positive cylinder pressure so the deactivated cylinders wouldn’t be trying to scavenge oil from the crankcase 🤔 Pretty cool!
Excellent explanation of this system. You have somewhat put my anxiety to rest. I just bought a 2024 2500 RAM with with the 6.4l so I can tow a camping trailer. I will be doing frequent (5000 mile) oil changes to protect my engine from failure if possible. Thanks again for making this video.
I just did the same on Oct 31st.
This video is a keeper! I have a 2011 RAM with the 5.7 Hemi, automatic transmission, 2WD. I really like the truck, and I am obsessed with maintenance and reliability. This information has helped me understand the MDS system and strengthens my resolve to change the oil and filter every 3K using full synthetic oil and top-tier filters. I look forward to seeing your next video. Thanks sincerely.
I found your explanation not only highly qualifying, but your delivery kept the topic interesting. With engine swapping becoming like a luncheon menu it is relevant to realize that the majority of horror stories of engine failure usually submit to proper maintenance "Change your oil and filter regulrly". Respectfully, Biff DeMartino
I've seen a bunch of videos on this topic, and I will say that I truly got a better understanding of this system from this video. Thanks 👍!
With that being said, I currently own a 5th Gen hemi 1500 Crew cab bighorn. This is my 3rd hemi truck. I'm not a fan of waiting 7,500 miles between oil change, so I do mine at 4,000 miles, religiously and have had no issues. 2019 currently with 57k miles. Oil change is critical for any engine to run well.
I turned off the MDS in our '14 300C 5.7 hemi about 4 years ago, using my tuner tool along with loading a hotter tune in the ECM, car returns 21-24 mpg with all 8 cylinders firing while driving at highway speeds. Works for me, have the option to turn it back on if I sell the car in the future. Mileage with MDS on was about the same, but the noise from it operating was enough to drive a person nuts, thus, good reason to turn it off IMHO. I also run a factory stock exhaust off my 6-speed Challenger, so resonance will be different in that exhaust, and it has 2.5" tubing as opposed to 2.25" stock system.
I keep oil & filter changed with good synthetic oil at or around 4K miles, no crud or sludge deposits inside this engine at all.
Great tutorial on this system, thanks Skye!
Hello. Could the noise you were experiencing with the mds active be described as vibration? Mine seems to be a vibration and I'm worried it may fail and leave me stuck or worse
@@youngnolo451 no, noise was from the engine running on 4 cylinders in MDS mode. My new Chrysler 300C 6.4 hemi makes the same noise when in MDS but quite a bit more muted.
Hey Havasu can you send me information on the tool used is that an affordable thing I can buy or is this just for; mechanics
Hello parts need it to do it?
@@padue2503 if you reply directly to Havasu's comment, he should get a notification and should answer your question, he'll never return to this video to read the comments unless someone replies to his comment directly
Thank you for pointing out the "galley/gallery" difference. I was guilty of being ignorant to this fact for many years, also.
Excellent video/insight!
Yes I am a student so this format appeals to me you are clear & to the point with important information.
Great advice by not idling. I'd take it a step further and run 5w30 synthetic preferably redline or PUP
I have to say the 6.4l HEMI has been very good for our company and we work the dog shit out of them hauling 400 gallons of water in the bed driving all over the place on Oil Lease roads 12-14 hour days 5 days a week with lots of idling time. I stayed with 0W-40W Mobile 1 and currently sitting at 175k miles on a 2018 only problems we had were a fuel pump failure at 68k and a Radiator failure at 167k miles. I still do not hear any sounds of the Lifter roller failure yet. Out of our fleet of trucks we have lost 2 engines one to the lifter cam failure, but that truck was not serviced as it should have been and failed at 150k miles. To me the the 150k mile mark has been worth the engine performance we have gotten out of it. Had it been properly serviced like I have done to mine I believe they would make 200k. I am fixing to move into my new 2024 with a 6.4l work truck and will update it through its life time. I have learned a few things since that time from this channel that I will be doing with my new truck. Through its flaws I still think the 6.4l Hemi has been a damn good engine.
it was cool to see the oil gallerys thru the lifter bores. its good to get this kind of detail so i know what to expect when i build a 5.7 . Your oil testing tool will be a cool video. cant wait to see it. take it easy sir.
By far the clearest and best explanation of hemi mds. Thanks for explaining it.
Sky, can you cover the 8HP70 transmissions, in particular the difference when running in Sport Mode via button, versus the ‘S’ position on the shifter knob? Seen many of your MDS videos, and by far appreciated explaining how not all HEMI’s come with it. Thank you!
I skimmed through the comments but didn't see anything related to the exhaust manifolds leaking. It is pretty coincidental that the exhaust bolts started breaking in the 4th Gen Rams when MDS was introduced. Then Ram beefed up the bolts for the 5th Gen Hemi Rams, which then only moved the problem to the manifolds cracking, which are now the week point. Many suspect that the MDS causes the exhaust temperatures from the "disabled cylinders" to be cooler than the exhaust from the "active cylinders", which causes uneven heating of the manifolds. These exhaust leaks started when MDS was introduced.
Great job explaining. I love learning the how and why about how things work. I feel like there's so much speculation in regards to the mds system and lifter failure. It's invaluable to get insight from people like you with repeated first-hand experience.
Great video, love the content.
Can't wait to see the oil pressure demonstration.
I am thankful my 2003 Ram Hemi does NOT have MDS. Now thanks to this video I know what it is! I am on my 2nd lifter failure at 279K Miles.
Very comprehensive video, thank you. For people who are not so technical, like myself, a quick hint. It's enough to change the gearbox setting in your auto mode to sport, or simply switch to sport drive mode (or track) and the MDS is off. Tried it on mine 2020 392 Challenger SC.
or tow/haul mode or go into the manual shift feature and put it on it's highest gear
I love these style videos. Learning as much as I can about the engine in my truck. I went through a lifter failure recently, now I have a new engine. I don't want that happening again, and I wanna get another 200k miles outta my girl. These videos are incredibly helpful!
GREAT video thank you for explaining how this system works!!
I really enjoy these videos explaining how the Hemi works keep them coming.
Could you potentially do an entire oiling system review on the Hemi motor? I would love to see the entire oil path...
Great explanation of the system. I am one of the people who have seen 23 - 24 mpg in my 08 Charger with the cruise set at 80mph on the interstate between Idaho Falls and Boise on more than one trip. We could see 16 - 17 mpg around town if we keep the road rage under control.
In my RAM, especially the 10 model, it didn't do much once you get above 50 - 55.
Throttle position is one of the factors for activation, and the trucks are heavy and requires more throttle at higher speed to maintain which puts it out of range.
Love your videos, keep up the great informative content!
Are 2019 Dodge charger also gets excellent fuel mileage.
Good morning, first I love your videos and thank you for educating me. I am no technician, however, your videos has given me the courage to perform tasks on my 2019 dodge charger.
One question, can the cam be damaged and the lifters are not? I am getting misfiring in 3 and 5. Dodge techs could not find out what the problem is. Everything is new to the pistons. Please help. Thnx!
I just got a 2024 RAM Hemi. This Vid really makes sense of the MDS system , the RAM system is really not that cumbersome and it's generally smooth. Now our Subaru Stop /Start is a shit show but after watching this vid I'm letting it do it's thing. Thank You, good stuff.!!!
Before watching I will say “No” MDS does not damage your engine! Looking forward to seeing what you have to say on it though
This guy is awesome , which i could take my Hemi to him personally to have him work on it 😂
Fantastic video! Thank you for this. I am currently rebuilding my 5.7 out of my 2012 Ram 1500 Big Horn with 185,000 miles. Why am I rebuilding? Because I ignored my lifter tick for too long and completely lost cylinders 7 and 3 due to my thoroughly trashed cam. Guess which of those two cylinders has nothing to do with the MDS system??? So, yes, I can confirm that the MDS likely has nothing to do with the lifter failure. However, I do not really have a high amount of idle time on the truck so my failure is definitely due to either poor oil pump performance OR some kind of debris decreased oil flow to the top.
I like these type of videos bro. Very informative. I talk to the homies about Hemi engines sounding like an expert. Thanks 😎
The preventative maintenance is change oil and filter and shorter intervals. Use only synthetic oil.
Brilliant video, I’ve always wondered how this system works and if it a good thing to have. You explained it very clearly. The only thing I didn’t hear you mention is how critical is it to use the correct oil for this system to work properly. Thank you for a great video. I drive a 05 Jeep Grand Cherokee with the 5.7 and love this Jeep.
When I'm cruising on the highway at 60 in my Rubicon 392, fully loaded with well over 800 pounds, I've been seeing 21 mpg on a 250 mile trip over a pass in Utah. My Jeep has a light that tells me when MDS is active (4 CYL). But I don't need to see the light to know it is on. I can feel it in my seat. The engine (or exhaust) vibrates when MDS is active.
Thanks. Having some relation to ECM tuning, I can't even count how many times I've been hearing that sad-sad story about the MDS killing the engine. No, sir, It's absolutely not you using cheap engine oil and extending the oil change intervals, it's the dumb MDS. But here finally is a video that I can share, just to explain the whole thing. Thanks again!
My 2c - I personally think that what could really improve MDS operation is increasing the torque output of the engine. We're talking about N/A street daily driver engines, so no forced induction here - but a good AFR in all modes and some nice and smooth spark maps with more advance definitely help. Factory Ram tune is quite conservative to make it operable on low-octane fuel, but if the owner is ready to forget about the low-octane forever - then we can get more torque and efficiency out of the engine without sacrificing the mileage or the lifetime. And it would work for both V8 and V4 modes. Sadly, the well-known calibration editor for Dodge kind of lacks in terms of accesible MDS-related parameters.
I've seen and experienced the same effect on GM trucks, 3rd gen Tahoes and Escalades mostly. Proper tune for a stock engine is a world of difference, and the AFM/DoD, which is GM's name for variable displacement system, really helps save some fuel on the long highway trips and moderate throttle city drives.
Anyway, this has been a great video and definitely looking forward to the actual work demonstration that you've mentioned. Keep up this awesome channel!
Very good explanation of mds system. I hope you can show a video of using a tuner to deactivate the mds.
Having just purchased a 2023 RAM 1500 classic (before they go bye bye) I appreciate this insight very much. I do have to decide on which oil to use, maybe Royal Purple or Penzoil high performance. I'll keep the MDS until I need to get into the engine. TKS!
That's a great choice of vehicle. I like the classic version myself, and those trucks are very well sorted. We rarely see too many serious issues with them.
in my case, it was a non-MDS lifter that failed, on cylinder number 5. Mine was due to previous owners who should have earned the car a salvage title who never ever did maintenance work on the car. When I changed the oil filter, it was 2 years old.
When we first bought ours I hit 30 mpg at highway speed (cruise set at 65). Sweet!
Great video! I appreciate you taking the time to explain this all🤙🏼 13:51
2015 Ram short box/ reg cab. Hemi with no issues at 195,000 kms. Do my own synthetic oil changes. Best highway run last summer pulled 25 mpg, pretty good. Truck has catch can and muffler delete, MDS not a problem or issue for me.
Thank you. You fit a lot of information in a short concise video.
Cooling system upgrades. 180 degree thermostat, larger radiator. Transmission cooler.
Things to keep the engi e cooler and in the performance band in the South during summer. We don't really have a winter.
One of the best vids I've seen about the cam issue. I have a 6.4 scat and it had the cam problem. I will agree the car is not made to idle. It's a design flaw in the block. If you commute in a car like this sitting in rush hour traffic then you will have the cam problem. You say the MDS is well thought out. I don't agree. It's an inefficient add on because of cafe standards. With my car MDS is off in sport mode and I purchased a tuner to turn off MDS in regular drive mode. It's been 4 years since the cam was replaced and it runs like a top. The MDS would come on in 3rd gear, the motor/exhaust had a weird drone and you have to punch the gas pedal to get out of it. I get 1 to 2 mpg better on highway without MDS. It cost 6 grand to replace the cam then. I can only image what it costs today.
I am curious that if the MDS system improves lubrication and good that it remain on, why does the Tow/Haul setting prevent MDS operation? You would think that at a time when the engine needs the most lubrication, that it should remain functioning? Many times when steady cruising on the highway that MDS can turn on while towing but won't due to being in Tow/Haul mode.
Great question. I'm also wondering if MDS improves oil lubrication, when cold starting the engine allegedly the lifter bores are not getting proper oil lubrication or when you're WOT when oil flow I'd moat important because MDS is not activated during these times
Well if its cutting off half the engine... pretty sure its not giving more oiling when on.
That being said my oil psi stays above 50 when driving or when mds kicks on
exactly, something must be wrong here, why would it deliver more oil when only half the cylinders are firing?
So as a “poor man’s” mds delete, is it bad for the engine/lifters if we just drive exclusively with manual mode on the auto-stick?
I’m not a fan of the factory shift logic and prefer shifting myself anyway. I am wondering if this is somehow bad for the lifters never collapsing for 4 cylinder mode?
Any thoughts, please? Thanks for the amazing content!
This is the exact question i was looking to have answered in the comments. I'll give it a bump 🤣
Another excellent educational video. Great explanation of how MDS works 👍
Thx for information another sight said To put it in track mode and keep MDS off. 😢apparently what your saying it’s bad for engine. I’ve been doing this for a month on my SRT. Thx for sharing
The 2007 Chrysler 300C 6.1 Hemi SRT8 automatic does not have MDS either. I've had no issues with this car after 15 years ownership. It would nice to lift the idle rpm up from 650 ish to 750-800 rpm. This would also provide better oil pressure at idle. I use Mobil 1 FSynthetic 5-40W oil.
this is so awesome! cant wait to see the visual oil flow system u make
So far it works great in our 2019 Dodge charger. Great video with a lot of very interesting information.
I really enjoy these kinds of videos, I appreciate your time, effort and expertise that you share with us, thank you Sir 😁👍
I actually got 30.8 MPG with my Scat when I drove from Vermont to Maine for vacation. I always run in Eco Mode on road trips, but Sport and Track Modes when I am around town, then I can do the Scat Toosie....lol
Thanks for another amazing video! These deep dives into how the various systems work are fantastic. I have a '17 Cahallenger Scat 6.4 manual, and just bought a '23 Ram 5.7 (gets delivered tomorrow, pretty pumped, first NEW truck) anyway, saw a video on another channel about the tick and oil viscosity. Poster claimed dodge changed the recommended oil at some point to a lower viscosity, and that going back to 5w30 from (i think) he said 0w20, fixed his tick. Did dodge change viscosity recomendations at some point? And whats your take on this? Thanks, and keep it up!
Brother, I think your channel is pretty good and I'm glad that there are channels like yours, I've learned a lot from your videos and I've also put into practice many of the things you've explained and taught...! good job and may you be very successful
I usually get between 18-20 mpg on my '13 hemi ram crew cab 4x4 with 280k miles. All highway driving at 55 mph
It's wild to see how complex these systems are. It boggles my mind how the engineers over decades could figure this out.
Great video, lots of info on the MDS packed into this one.
I just bought a used 2016 Ram with 113k miles runs great it's in excellent condition i knew nothing about this mds or cam issue first time owning a Dodge always been a Ford owner. I noticed it has the cold start tick and goes away after about 30 seconds warming up. I ran it with the mds off for about 500 highway miles and noticed that it had a much weaker start like it wouldn't fire up as strong so then i watched this video thinking maybe not running the mds the way it's intended is not a good idea you explained that very well i appreciate it. I was getting about 17mpg with mds off and now 18 with mds eco mode active. It starts up much stronger too the way it should.
Love these walk through videos. Actually seeing the parts and how they work in detail helps tremendously because I know nothing about this stuff.
I am a little confused though on one thing - if MDS is off, is there any oil making it to the lifters? A lesser amount of oil? In either case, isn’t that a bad thing? I don’t know anything about engines but you’d think less oil is bad (even if the oil pump is pumping the max amount).
Would enabling a high idle function do the same thing if your sitting in your vehicle for a while? Emergency vehicles idle very often and municipalities don't want to pay alot for modifications
I’ve been asking that for a while. My 20 1500 idles at 550 hot and sits around 31 psi. I’m in the mid 40s if I use my foot and get it around 650 rpm.
I’m about to turn mine of via Tazer JL unlimited. The resonance in the Jeep when letting off of the gas and this kicks in is brutal…
Great video, clear explanation, you know your stuff. I have the MDS on my 2015 300C and I love it. I am a conservative driver and when I take my car on the road I can get between 27 and 30 mpg. You said you have not seen numbers like 24 mpg before. Am I not to believe my trip summary?
I can believe 27- 30 would be a stretch though. I just generally don't see numbers that high because I'm not very conservative 😄
you should see your numbers from refueling to refueling in the receipt at pump and on the speedometer and divide
Very good video. Thanks so much for the educational content. Could you do a video on why you think the 5.7 and 6.2 Hemi’s seem to be prone to dropping valve seats? GM also has an issue with that on their 6.2 V8’s. I would love to hear your take on that issue.
Dropping valve seat is a 2008 and older Hemi issue,not an issue on 2009 and up..
Thanks for a great video! really informative, especially the part about the oil flow. I wonder if those galleries are just the engineering solution of how to activate a mechanism on a push rod inside the engine and not truly for lubrication. I feel like it would be a fatal flaw to have a oil flow that would be limited whenever the truck is towing or running hard (when MDS is off naturally).
I do think it was an interesting decision to do it the way that they did, but I'm not an engineer myself...
How about those of us that want to keep the MDS working, but still want a bit more cam for some power gains? Any options there, or are we basically stuck in an "either/or" type situation.
Hello Sky! Since I start watching RUclips, try to find information who fits my problem on, 2014, Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi! Lifter failure, and cam! Maybe this cause of forget to shut off my engine for several hours! Anyhow, rebuilt my engine. this time decide to cancel MDS. and Parts has been purchased from Comp Cams performance, and MMX Modern Muscle Xtreme. here are the upgrade parts:
(-NSR Stage 1 HRT 216/222 Hydraulic Roller Cam for Dodge 5.7L HEMI w/ VVT 2009+
Part# 201-300-17
-Chrysler HEMI Phaser Limiter Kit Part# 5761CPG
-Evolution OE-Style No Link Bar Hydraulic Roller Lifters w/Yokes for Dodge Gen III HEMI 5.7L/6.1L/6.2L/6.4L Engins- Set of 16
Part# 85601Y-16 system. MPVI2 HEMI Engine Tuner by HP Tuners with 2 points
- NEW Hellcat Oil Pump (Fits all VVT engines) Using HP tuner tool. Driving the brand new engine follow the breaking step. since everything runs fine (accumulating around 500 miles so far) except one think check engine light still coming back. Giving me this code. P000B SES, Pending, Current, Permanent
Exhaust (B) Camshaft Position Slow Response Bank1. This Pinpointing the VVT technology system and my case: Phaser Limiter Kit I use to change the angle. So question? I don’t know how to rewrite my ECM to be able to turn that check engine light off? Help! I appreciate and enjoying your hard work you put in and everything you do to Mopar Chrysler owners my appreciation, Daniel.
I don't like the fact that all manufacturers have issues. In order to reach the standards they need to I feel that they are moving away from the set ups that work really well. Back in the '80s some of this stuff was tried and it failed. Now we are still trying to get it to work right.
I'd have to agree. The fact that the government keeps moving the goal posts in regards to how vehicle must perform means they are constantly redesigning systems trying to meet these standards, only to have to completely change them again a few years later. It means there's not enough development time in each platform to correct the issues before they have to clean sheet another design that then has its own problems. And the cycle repeats over and over. 🙄
2007 309C 5.7l. I go 65 to 80 on highway and I average 20-24 mpg. As long as I'm steady going and not in stop in go traffic.
I flew to Ohio from California to drive back a 2013 RT charger with 63k miles in 2019. At 80mph I average 26mpg on freeway all day. Now it has procharger and average 16mpg in city.
I personally didnt see any problem with turning off my mds on my 06 300. Had it turned off for about 2 years before i got it cammed and deleted. Cam had no wear and the lifters looked just fine too.
I love this on my 14 ram. Took the first trip from Athens Georgia to Amelia Island Florida in July. Driveway to driveway it averaged 25.1 mpg. I did travel back roads where it stayed between 60 and 70 mph most of the trip because that was the fastest (straight route). Was over 26 until the 70 miles of interstate where i went up to 75 -80 mph. I will leave it operational until it wipes a cam lobe. Then i have a serious dilemma. Keep the mpg or make more power and lose a lot of mpg.
I've had my 2015 5.7 Ram since new and continue to have zero of the problems people warn about on these engines. MDS is a great way to maintain dynamic compression under light throttle without EGR & with a single camshaft. The dudes who always complain about MDS are like the old guys 40 years ago who didn't want to let go of carburetors and distributors.
I don't like MDS because I have LT headers and when it goes into 4 cyl it sounds like crap. So I turned MDS off
Same boat here, 2015 hemi ram no real issues, but I change the oil myself. There are a lot of oil change places that don’t change the oil and act like they did. I also don’t baby it, it is a hemi after all.
Guess you’re one of the lucky ones
I have had the same experience as far as the cams. But you're exhaust manifold bolts WILL break at some point
The MDS hangs sometimes and transitions poorly, but I haven't had any problems besides that. My hemi is at 186k miles.
Learned a lot from this channel. Keep all videos coming. Appreciate your time. Definitely gonna get some merch
Great insight Sky! Lots of good information
I have always enjoyed the content that you put out, Thank you sir and I have learned so much from you. Thank you.
Great video! Keep them coming.
Great video. What do you think about people switching the engine oil weight to 5w30
? Thanks.
Good video overall. The only thing that threw me off is the fact that you said its worse to hit your tow/haul button every time you drive to deactivate the MDS for lubrication issues. In essence, if that was true, whats the sense of having the MDS if your a person that hauls alot or you live in a hilly area like me and the MDS is barely being used even if I have it on. Just a bit confused on that comment. So if someone buys a Ram truck to do alot of pulling or hauling, you should not get one with the MDS cause you'll have issues down the road due to lubrication? Thats what I'm picking up off of that comment. All the lifters better be getting the same lubrication at all times with or without the MDS system on. If not, thats a poor design in my opinion.
Don't know if it was the MDS entirely that smoked my cam lobes , But after 4 lobes all but flattened and lifter rollers eaten up to the point of detonation..I opted to go with a solid lifter cam along with 2500 lifters. MDS block offs and a diablo flash. Night and day power difference. Obviously not as good fuel mileage but I bought a Hemi...I wanted a Hemi. Not a 4 banger. 2009 264k still rolling strong.
What mileage did the cam fail? I mean you have 264,000 miles so you cant really complain..I worked on Toyota Corolla's with 150,000 miles and they needed engine rebuilds/replacements..
Does (or did) your truck experience a lot of idling time?
@mypronouniswtf5559 did the tear down and rebuild at around 203k. I'm the second owner so I'm not sure off the previous idle time but being from New Hampshire I have to assume there there plenty of auto starts for heat and defrosts during the colder months
My 2016 5.7 ram just rolled 142k since new I have always used the gear down and put in 8 and that keeps the eco mode off. I never run it in eco mode. I average 18 to 20 mpg. I also have a catch can, intake and exhaust. Put a can of sea foam in the gas once a month and change oil spring and fall sometimes in the summer too. Not 1 issue knock on wood.
Love the content, thank you!
I’m about to do a cam and lifter job. It’s a Durango and will be used as a daily driver. Should I delete the MDS or keep it?
Iirc, for a while you could order the half tons with either version - MDS or non-MDS.
I'm always looking for more useful info. Great explanation
Thanks for watching!
When we take our 6 hour drive to the beach every year in our 2012 Jeep Overland, I regularly get 24 mpg on the highway. Normal driving in the city though, no better than 11 mpg. But combined, I get about 14 mpg...about what I get with my 2005 that has the V6 engine....
Had a lifter failure in my 2014 SRT8 Challenger M6 with Non-MDS 6.4 hemi @92K miles.
Great video, do you think the changes in 2022 Ram made to a thinner oil is to help prevent the lifter failure? Or is it just to chase better mpg?
What an awesome explanation 👍🏻 great video bro 😎
when I had my 2015 Challenger R/T I was getting 28mpg with highway driving while the MDS was active, and 22-24 with mixed driving. I always thought MDS was the best of both worlds, great milage when you wanted it (with the expense of v8 sounds), and great v8 sounds with a push of the sport button that turns it off.
on heavier cars this savings gives almost nothing
I've got a 2017 Ram 1500 std cab 4x4 with the 5.7 hemi I get 22-23MPG's on the hwy if I set the cruise at or around 65. 70+ it drops to 20-21.
The MDS gives me a 2-3 mpg boost on my RAM 1500 ( ECO modes shows in the dash display when it is active) by cruising at 70mph vs , say, 75mph. Sadly one of my MDS solenoids failed at 90K causing a mis-fire on Cylinder #7. Expensive manifold off job, I replaced all 4 solenoids.
96k on my 16 6.4 bge and mds still works great
I left MDS solenoids installed and plugged in with Big Cam/heads/VVT limited and non-MDS lifters. Not necessary to remove and plug, in fact it’ll limit corrosion on the receptacles. 😊 obviously the tune is the dictator
Great content. Very informative!
This was a fantastic video. I am new Ram 1500 owner. 2016
i drove from Texas to California in my 5.7 hemi, i was getting 33mpg and my average speed was about 85-90
I have a 2006 hemi v 8, has been very reliable, want a newer truck, but am skeptical about new Hemi