Understanding the Most Hated part of your Truck | Banks Entry Level
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- Many diesel owners believe their vehicles would be better off without the Diesel Particulate filter but are they right? In order to meet new emissions standards, the DPF was introduced in 2007 as a way to lower the amount of soot and ash being exhausted from diesel vehicles. The engines were generating the same particulate output but now those emissions were being contained and neutralized instead of escaping into the atmosphere.
Banks Special Projects Lead Erik Reider shows us how the DPF works by breaking down diesel combustion, diesel exhaust, and the process of regeneration (regen). Erik shows how to get the most out of your vehicle and DPF by using high-quality oil and tuning cleanly.
A clean tune increases power without increasing emissions and therefore does not over-tax the emissions systems including the DPF. As manufacturers improve modern turbo diesels, the engines produce less in-cylinder emissions which means the after-treatment systems like the DPF, the DOC, and the SCR can be made less restrictive. Understanding how the DPF and regens work is a major part of tuning diesel engines safely and keeping the emissions system functioning properly.
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00:00 Intro
01:55 Exhaust Gas
03:01 Hydrocarbons
03:22 Particulates
04:29 The Emissions System
06:18 The DPF
07:50 Soot
08:42 Passive regen
09:19 Active regen
10:05 When am I in Regen?
10:31 Ash
11:18 How oil reaches your DPF
13:21 Air Fuel Ratio
14:02 Clean Tune Vs Dirty Tune
17:17 The DPF Today
18:14 Sum it up
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With tighter emissions standards and stricter enforcement, the DPF and the rest emissions systems seem to be the only way to keep diesel trucks from being regulated out of existence. Will manufacturers come up with a better simpler way to reduce emissions? Or is the DPF here to stay? What do you think?
? Which is better for the health of your emission system: stationary regen or driving to clean?...Or does it matter as long the regen happens?
Yes because DEF was bought and paid for by politicians
I think banks should engineer a free flow DPF w/ the manufacturer to make something more realistic reliable and EPA certified.
Or, even better as soon as someone figures out how to burn 100% of the fuel in-cylinder, DPFs will no longer be required. Toyota has patented a new diesel combustion process that may get us closer to that goal.
The only reason they aim to regulate diesel out of existence is because the goal is to destroy the American economy and the american middle class. There is a reason so many of us in the midwest own and maintain old diesel rigs. Part of that is because they are easy to work on. The other is that we dont have to deal with this crap.
The best prevention of tyranny is noncompliance. We wont comply. While many others do, and suffer the consequences, we dont.
It's crazy that the highest quality videos on diesels are by an after-market support company. Banks, keep it up!
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I don't believe that a majority of people delete for power. It's reliability. EGR systems clog intakes and ruin engines WAY before the rest is worn out. The DPF can clog and not burn completely (think city driving with multiple stops) and ruin the engine as well. On top of that, when these parts that are forced upon us fail, the government won't be there to replace them and it's insanely expensive to replace them. It's far more financially viable to remove the components when they fail rather than replace them. God forbid your engine is fried due to a clogged DPF, those things are over $10,000, which is the cost of a small commuter car.
I see regens almost every tank. My truck is 100% bone stock. Reliability concerns drive my desire to remove the crap, but I have not done so, yet.
Yup, nothing like a derate warning in the middle of a Youkon winter and being stuck in dealer parking lot for three days because a sensor wire on the DEF system is faulty following the previous derate and a seven week lead time on emissions system parts at the dealer requiring buying parts out of warrantee on ebay to get running. I feel ya.
Engines don't fry when the DPF is clogged. The DPF is cleaned with a chemical solution. I know because I had mine cleaned on my 2015 LML after the sensor failed. It was at the 85K mile mark. The cost was about $600.00.
@@GTOGregory Google it. I saw a video where one clogged and the DEF was sprayed in there until the engine cpuld not expel exhaust. It smoked white and shut off. Dude was lucky as his engine (Chevy/Duramax) was undamaged, but he needed an entirely new exhaust system. He has it in a video on YT somewhere. Watch it if you can find it.
@@GuretoSefirosu Nope. I'm not going to Google it. That's your job. You're making the claim. I understand someone chokes on Jello and dies each year. People still eat Jello and there are no Jello health warnings. One occurrence of a poorly maintained vehicle doesn't mean jack.
@@GTOGregory You cannot paste HTML links in YT comments. Either you're a troll without a clue about these systems (likely just a driver, not a mechanic), or you're have no clue how YT works. Either way, I literally can NOT paste a link here. You have to do the search yourself or live in ignorant bliss.
The biggest issue i have with the emissions system is that it is extremely unreliable and is consistently the cause of down time and in the trucking industry, that costs you more than the repair itself generally
On top of that, the fact it can shut your shit down on a road trip and leave you stranded is horse shit. I less bothered by power and efficiency and more bothered by faults and sensors failing which is A LOT. They still cant figure out a reliable system. Deleting for better MPG and reliability is all that matters to me. Dont care for power gains really
Forced regens are glorious. Nothing like damn near redlining the engine for an hour on the side of the road just so you can hopefully continue your freight run.
The EGR alone robs you of no less than10% fuel economy, ask anyone with EGR blocked off or deleted.
@@hurst814don't forget guys that get a new company truck and don't know to park with their trailer on the opposite side of the exhaust, and end up setting their trailer and truck on fire.
Great video. Although DPF and SCR technology has came such a long way producing less emissions and record power/tq, when they need replaced, parts availability and costs are crushing. Trucks sitting for extended periods at dealers waiting for parts can really put a business owner who relies on it for a living in a real bad spot. Thats when the systems are removed- wait to follow the rules or put food on the table and keep the business open. Banks understands diesels better than anyone but when this emissions technology fails , the consumer is left to wait and pay up or remove it. The government is the king of "Do as I say not as I do". The blatant disregard of EPA rules by military vehicles, ships, planes etc etc. makes me scratch my head. If costs to repair and maintain diesel emission systems were reasonable and readily available when repairs are needed, I believe there would be far less deleted late model trucks out there.
Mike, well said, I was gonna chime in and say the same thing. Banks builds all of these deleted diesels for the military if they are so reliable why does the military not just leave them on and use them………… weird how long these older diesels lasted with out all of that emissions stuff.
for sure, with a personal truck i didn't mind deleteing it and playing with some extra power as fun. for a work truck the emissons systems are still too unreliable, and we've switched to gas for that reason.
@@adampetten1009 gas is great for light duty trucks, pickups and such, but for those of us who drive tractor trailers... good luck finding a gasoline kenworth, hahaha!
god i remember the first time i had a DPF sensor go out while on the road, it completely stopped that shipment dead, costed the company i work for a lot of money, and the cargo went bad (perishable foodstuffs, and no other fleet vehicle close enough) - and people wonder why groceries are getting more expensive!
meanwhile, the dumbfuck in charge of this godforsaken country wants to introduce more fuel taxes. mhm. thatll save the planet.
@@adampetten1009 I think is more on the side as mechanic service not knowing, not being able to do proper repair/maintenance, and lack of correct choosing of vehicles... I get makers ahve not fitted 0 maintenance, easy serviceable and cheap to repair thing together...but most of the time is more of a untrustful bussiness test... cleaning dpf, intake, egr... it's not rocket science, having to wait for something to go broken on spectacularly smell or smoke and then ask for a ramson to repair your working vehicle... auto makers should be clear on what maintenance schedules emission systems need, and they don't, because it depend on the use you make, and you may discover its product is not the best suited for you "captive" client... asking for an engineer to avaluate your necessities and targets in costs etc. it would make a difference with so much diverse options, electric, hybrid, diesel scr, petrol... most of the time is just drivers and routes who keep polluting, destroying parts...it can be a signal that something can be done better...don't blame new-tech and follow blindly mechanics because my bussiness is mine nor the mechanic's.
The climate cult is pushing their religion into every aspects of our lives. Excessive and expensive car emission systems, light bulbs, war on big oil as if there’s a viable replacement energy even ready yet, even the treated lumber we buy to build with had the EPA stick their nose in it and ban the chemicals that actually work at preventing rot decades ago so good luck getting a deck in humid environments to last 10-20 years anymore. They don’t. Who pays for all of these idiots failed ideology being pushed onto society. We the people. It’s all a scam for more money and control over us.
Great video! I am a retired mechanic (ASE Master Tech) and I live in Northern California. I had a CA Smog (test and repair) smog license for over 30 years. Banks is a world apart from all the so called "experts" out there. Understanding how these systems work and designing components that work with and even improve the performance of these modern emissions systems is key. Gale Banks and his employees are a class act really know what they are talking about.
Right on, thank you.
What about the smog from all the Chemtrails?
How much of the smog was from tuners versus old junkers that needed maintenance u think?
@@cdimmm Chemtrails are water vapor.
@@paulcopeland9035 And a bit of lead, since aviation fuels are required to have an antiknock component.
Just wanted to say I'm loving this series. You guys are breaking information down to clear, easy to understand bits that are explained clearly for people of every level of knowledge to understand without being boring or condescending. Great job, and I look forward to the next installment!
I'm glad you all find a happy medium between the nitty gritty technical stuff for nerds like me and entertainment for the casual enthusiast. Also, thank you for not ignoring the purpose and importance of emissions equipment, however inconvenient to some.
Erik,s explanation sounds like it’s coming from a very accomplished teacher. Give this guy a raise, and keep him around. Coming from a service engineer who taught 30 years.
Seems like the apple doesn't fall far from the Banks tree. Erik takes after Gale very much so.
Coming up on 100k miles running the Derringer on my L5P. Reliable and powerful, I couldn’t ask for more. Thanks for the great product!
Great to hear, thanks for being a Banks customer!
My 2017 Superduty has 300,000 miles. Zero issues with the Egr or DPF. Been running the derringer and Amsoil for 200k miles. I’m living proof this works.
Love to hear that.
@@alphaforce6998 Not a shill at all. I have found the modern diesels want to be run hard. Excessive idling and short in town trips kill these trucks. I run a minimum 200 miles a day. I understand this isn’t normal for most owners. Unfortunately no million miles for me. New truck is almost here. Sorry to hear you are having so many problems early.
@@frankclark7039 in fact, I think idling and short trips just kill engines in general, make cool wear to be the principal and faster way of destroying machines and environment and economy... choosing engine for the actual work the vehicle is going to do is way more important than ever (but it was also before). Even if talking only money, or being fuel as cheap as USA and other petro-countries... Total cost of ownership will have in fuel one of the major cost of all, repair/maintenance depends on time/mileagge, cost of vehicle... doing some numbers before it may be very good even for having several vehicles for the total price of one... 100.000 miles of urban/short can be roughly equivalent to 750.000 miles on road...
This is why I buy the gas versions of the heavy duty trucks. The only time I buy a diesel is the older trucks.
Here in the UK delivery vans and work vans now have DPF filters. They're usually all manual transmission, so economical delivery drivers who keep a constant low rpm short stop, idle, then start journeys kill DPF filters. A mechanic friend told me if they get a new van with trouble first thing to do is run it at 60mph in 2nd/3rd gear down the motorway, usually fixes any DPF issue. Driver never comes back again once they learn it needs to get HOT every so often to clear out all the emissions filters.
What an excellent video! Eric is well versed and perfect for these explanations. I absolutely love what you guys are doing, I'm hooked! Please keep the great info coming I cant wait to learn something new that I can apply to my truck.
Thank you for the detailed information in non-technical jargon. I have had my Derringer tuner on my 2017 ecoDiesel from almost day 1, and it is amazing. I wish Banks made a oil catch can for it, because I know you would make sure that it didn't set any cades and include everything necessary before selling it.
Excellent video! My personal goal is to buy a taken care of pre emissions diesel truck and never have to worry about emissions checks and the issues that come with emissions equipment. Honestly if manufacturers would just warranty emissions equipment my faith would be restored. I wasn’t able to enjoy any road trips with my DPF equipped truck because I couldn’t stop thinking about it failing in the middle of nowhere and being stranded because a particulate sensor went out.
So if Banks makes better power and it's actually possible to do that, why doesn't it come that way from the factory? surely the engineers there have more data and resources than banks? Can you cover that question some time
Because money.
thanks for video, gave a really great explanation about the system.. some old timers complain about all the new emission standards but I remember a time when you didn't want to be driving behind a big rig or sitting beside them on the road because of all the pollution coming out of their exhaust..and the truck stops were like a bad industrial park
Your still breathing in the chemicals just can't see or smell them as much anymore. Also I remember the 90's very well when no trucks had these and it all seemed the same as now to me.
Excellent video guys! One of the easiest to follow and most comprehensive videos on diesel emissions I’ve seen!
Glad you liked it!
Wow, this video is amazing. It held my attention easily and answered all the questions I had on the regen system. Well done!
Glad it was helpful!
It's amazing how well this system works... when in the trash...
Fantastic video! I've always wondered why the #1 guy in trucks (Gale Banks) is trying to work with the emissions systems instead of fighting them. Sure, money talks, but with as educated as he is on the subject, he has to know something we don't. Please keep these videos coming!
He knows money in the pocket and not being targeted by government grey men is a fair deal compared to an early eternal rest or prison.
Super educational video and very well scripted, explained, presented, filmed and edited. The whole team deserves a pat on the back, well done!
Thank you
Seriously, this is top notch stuff.
Really informative and well produced video. Eric is excellent!
DEF vs. EGR use is the tightrope manufacturers have to walk while meeting emissions targets. Heavy EGR use to lower NOx creates more soot which taxes the DPF. Lighter EGR use runs hotter and cleaner soot wise, but requires more DEF to deal with the resulting NOX increase while meeting emissions targets. Less EGR is generally good for the DPF and overall emissions system reliability.
It is reported by owners that GM's new 3 liter I6 diesel uses quite a bit of DEF. I wager GM is running lower levels of EGR in that engine, and the EGR it does run is filtered through the closely mounted DPF first. Recently saw a teardown video of the new 3.0 on the "I do Cars" YT channel, the engine was quite clean inside, looking more like a gas engine and not looking like a 145K mile diesel at all. Alas, that particular engine got chewed up as the idiot owner didn't keep oil in it and the pressure fed cam chain tensioners lost the plot, as did the main bearings if memory serves.
Though much maligned for it's belt driven oil pump, GM's 3.0 I6 diesel is a cool engine, and the apparently by design increased DEF use is worth it. The belt looked fine in the RUclipsr's teardown video by the way. GM's problematic by the 150K mile mark torque converter will probably need replacing anyway, the belt is easy to service at that point 😆
Seems like I get smarter every time I watch a banks video thanks for sharing.
I enjoy these videos with Erik just as much as the videos with Gale. His knowledge and dedication to true innovation in the industry is on track to rival his grandfather's some day!
Congratulations to Eric for his outstanding presentation on DOF, DOC, and SCR in the field of chemical and mechanical engineering! It’s impressive to deliver such a comprehensive overview you have earned your PhD. Eric’s expertise and excellent delivery certainly deserve applause. Well done, Eric! Now, I can’t wait to order ALL Banks products for my 2020 Ram 3500 just need to wait for warranty to end.
Should delete that garbage instead
@@drunkpolack7612go to jail polluter
Sounded more the Fauci talking about "germ theory".
Coming from a chemE it was a good presentation. He can paint a beautiful picture for the dumbest person in the room. This video is Banks passing the red-faced test to customers & the epa for many of their products.
@@DizzKidz
Your comment is somewhat vague. Who is the ChemE, You or Eric ?
( I think Eric ) Who are you calling the 'dumbest person in the room' ? Yourself, the Viewers, Me, Eric or Gale ? If you think it is a 'beautiful picture' and not factual, please paint for us 'Your Picture' with 'scientific facts' please.
I am fairly familiar with these systems and found Eric's explaination to be very thorough & correct. Without expecting people to be ChemE's or even Chem Lab Techs, Eric made it quite easy for anybody, including 'THE DUMBEST PERSON' in the room, to understand the entire diesel exhaust pollution control system. In fact, this is the best and most complete explaination I have seen anywhere. To get any better you would have to sit down with a Tech Manual or a Diesel Pollution System textbook /online course. I liked it so well and found it to be so enlightening I even viewed twice !
So, grab your paint and brush and PAINT YOUR PICTURE for us !
Regards the 'red faced test', I don't think the EPA accepts a verbal explaination over test results. The test data has to confirm the modifications or it will not get approved. Period, end of story.
Most of us here are willing to learn good & updated info. That is why we are here. Looking forward to your informative / educational input ! Thank You.
As a person that loves power and also loves this planet I found this very refreshing. Well done!!!!!
Great job on the video and keep up the brilliant work, i am very proud to rock Banks on all of my diesels
All good stuff, but, I've had nothing but service engine lights from my totally stock 2017 superduty truck due to the DPF. After the 4th time at the dealer, and having the check engine light come on again on my drive home with the threat to limit speed to 80km's/hr I cut the stupid thing out and got a delete tune. My fuel mileage has gone up 100km's per tank, and I have another 200 hp. Massive HP/Torque increase over stock. I never even floor it anymore. 3/4 throttle and I'm gone.
Cool technology, it’s a shame the epa mandated the 250 mile limp mode fault. Unfortunately that’s not practical for my use, I ended up deleting after being stranded.
Unless you have emmisons testing there is absolutely no reason you shouldn’t delete
@@Jonathan_Doe_mmmmmmm diesel fuel smell good
@@Jonathan_Doe_ what a bitch ass comment 😂
@@Jonathan_Doe_ lol your a girl... Have you ever had a cigarette had a beer had too much candy eating a burger... Driven too fast forgot to put on your seatbelt etc life is full of hazards... I doubt diesel smoke is the worst thing I will run into... Delete it! Fack the epa
@@drunkpolack7612it's a felony to delete.
Legacy: This is the Banks WAY!!!!!!! Excellent work People!
I don't even have a diesel truck😢but I loved the video. Great info and the info was delivered professionally without getting overly techy. Thanks!
Well done Eric , excellent presentation , the apple didn’t fall far from the tree 👌Gale should be proud
Cheers Chris
Thanks for the compliment, we'll let Erik know.
Great instructional video! Though it did favor the new emmissions tech on trucks, it still convinced me that my truck is better off without all of it.
My thought as well. Take off those intake runners and see how much soot is caking up the inside your cylinder heads. No thanks!
Ya dpf and def is all JUNK!
This was very informative. Thank you.
A very good video on Diesel emissions. I learned a ton! The take-away, avoid crappy tunes.
Fascinating indeed. I’m just worried about the ash formation in the DPF.
Love Banks stuff wish you made it for my Kubota tractor the intake is right over the radiator.
Love your videos. Insanely informative. Any word on a Derringer for the 2020 and up Powerstrokes? I bracket race a 21 and am eager to get an inline tuner for it.
Thanks for explaining how these systems work!
If ONLY more people (Tuners) would take the time to understand this, the better off we'd all be. Well done Banks team!!
How
Take that shit off and refuse and become ungovernable
Tuners are not the problem, most leave their stuff stock. EPA could take take all the tuners off the market and it wouldnt make a measurable difference.
Tuners know this is all a lie, a good tuner can make nearly as little emissions as a def vehicle and have none of the issues def systems bring. But have a bad rap because of stupid people just wanting to see smoke.
@fl_atv_riders4455 this is so true. Black smoke is just raw fuel coming out the exhaust. You tune a truck properly to not do that and it'll be just as efficient and emissions friendly.
GOOD JOB!!!! That was outstanding! More videos like that are much needed!! THANK YOU!
Very informative and easy to understand, thanks for the video.
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for a clear explanation of how this stuff actually works
I’m retired from the company that invented and makes the substrates for DPFs. It is pretty amazing technology and it was a challenge getting a low-cost manufacturing process to plug every other channel in the substrate.
So your the reason there’s 250,00 miles taken off a Diesel life
Tldr you are a con artist. It is not impressive tech, it is a scam!
@dang5553 no government is, this guy is just an expensive solution to another government generated problem. Always choose small government! You cannot trust them ever! Joe biden has been receiving his paycheck from foreign government for 50 years and man made climate change is bogus government created BS
Thank you for creating a nightmare
@@dang5553 And that is based on what data?
As the new owner of a diesel truck, I really appreciated this video. I was never planned to delete the emissions system (I like breathing too) - I'm more interested in longevity and reliabilty.
YES also am a new Diesel pickup owner. Had GAS engine trucks since 1979. My new Duramax Allison. I never want to add anything to this engine. I watch experts on transmissions talk about if you make more power on the engine you also need to address the transmission. I watch experts Transmission videos on U-Tube as he talks through the take down showing what went wrong with a power boost to Engine only. These experts on transmission show the different parts they add to transmission the beef them up for power surge on Diesel Engine. I also own a 8V-71 Detroit Diesel plus a 353 Detroit on two pieces of restoration equipment that I own. YES I'm leaving my Duramax as is.
Lol 😂 yeah you’re really saving the environment you clown.
If you want longevity and reliability, you have 2 options: either delete all of that useless shit off of it, or buy a pre-emissions truck. That is LITERALLY the only way💯💯💯...I understand what gale banks is saying, but I've lost a lot of respect for the man because of his push FOR these systems that destroy these trucks. I've had 3 new trucks with emissions on them, and not a single one of them made it past 170k without needing 10k worth of emission system related work to make them usable again, which I guess is ok if you fully understand that you will never have to replace that system on that particular truck ever again, due to the engine eating its own ash and scoring the cylinder walls so bad that a rebuild is necessary at 300k💯💯💯...as much as I hate to say it, I don't know one person who has these trucks that DONT delete the entire system, and if there's one thing that seems to be becoming the norm everywhere, none of these people use anything Banks-related in any way. He has alienated his people with the sheer amount of lies about "reliable emissions systems with a tune makes more horsepower".....that's 100% grade A bullshit. You will never see an emissions compliant truck with a tune go head-to-head with one that isn't, and if you do, that emissions choked chunk of plastic and steel ain't gonna fare well at all💯💯💯💯💯
@@shellow3aight tinfoil man. Try not to choke on all those 💯 emojis
@@brotherloops I love you😍😍😘😘😊😊
Very interesting presentation, answered a lot of my questions. Thanks!
My first good diesel truck was stock and I contacted Gale Banks Engineering about how to do something to help the fuel mileage and performance meaning torque for towing REALLY heavy loads they talked with me anytime I wanted and finally my changes were made very few actually and the thing doubled in mileage and torque. It was over the warranty and had RIDICULOUS TORQUE AND FUEL MILEAGE and I can't say enough for their help ! And no charge for telling me what's best for that particular truck ! When my new truck warranty is up I'll be doing this ay with their direction of course !!!! We're talking EXPERTS. THANKS GUYS
Hey, if you want to know why people in the 1700s died earlier than people in the mid-1800s and later, part of it was fireplace soot; it was their only means of cooking and keeping warm. Rolling coal looks cool, but I hate thinking about breathing it in.
First world perspective? Sure. But we equally have the means and technology to at least reduce - if not rid of - soot. Let's just hope that diesel emission systems - or diesel technology, as a whole - will continue to get smarter, just as the cats once did. Thank you, Gale and co., for always being pioneers in this field... and for providing us the necessary education many won't!
People die, the world keeps turning. Nobody cares
My truck is a 2018 Ford F350 XLT cc lb drw...I have installed several Banks products: Ram air intake, 5" Monster exhaust, Derrringer set @ power level 3, Pedal Monster @ city level 10...Before Banks items my regens were happening around the 325 to 380 miles & soot levels 90% to 100% with no passive regens...after Banks items installed regens occur regularly at 497 miles & soot levels run 50% to 70% with many passive regens...also my mileage has gone from 16.2 to 16.7...I monitor things with your idash Super Gauge & idash Data Monster
Why not just delete it bud?
@@drunkpolack7612 Because, 1) it's illegal, 2) it's not necessary. If your engine is in good condition and the aftertreatment system is in good condition, and you don't have a bunch of shit parts and a shit tune to go with those parts, then you won't have major issues with your aftertreatment system. Will the DPF last forever? NO. It's not designed to last forever. Is your air filter, oil filter, cabin air filter or crankcase ventilation filter designed to last forever? NO. Do people change those at some designated interval? YES (except the idiots I suppose). A DPF is a FILTER (it's in the name, duh) and will at some point need to be changed. Thank fully, unlike any other filter in your truck, it can partially clean itself by running a regen. If it didn't do that, it'd plug up even faster and you'd be changing the DPF more frequently.
Hey, I get it. When these systems first hit the market, they weren't very good and very problematic. That's why deletes were born. But, the sftertreatment systems have gotten a lot better since '07 and are pretty reliable (unless you start adding those shit parts and shit tunes I mentioned) and deleting them is not necessary, even if it WASN'T illegal.
This was extremely educational for me. Thanks for making this 😀
Hey Eric, you did a great job explaining the DPF. Everything you said was spot on, 100%. Thank you for spreading facts and truth. The exhaust aftertreatment systems on diesels are one of the main reasons light-duty trucks are approaching or exceeding 1000 ft-lbs of torque these days. If you haven't already, I would encourage you to do a video on the DEF system and the role it plays in the reduction of NOx gases. 👍
I want to see Banks doing some work with Speed of Air Technologies and Dynomite Diesel. I think that trio could make an insanely efficient engine, with the SOA pistons, Dynomite's clean and efficient injectors, and of course Banks' tuning and airflow knowledge.
That would be great to see, considering Speed Of Air put a set of their pistons into a transit bus engine around Tahoe with a 7.2 Cat engine seven years ago, and until now the bus hasn’t regenerated once. So hopefully their pistons are burning the fuel clean enough that people could theoretically buy even less DEF.
Exactly. Plus all of their testing with CAT off road haul trucks, the pistons more than doubled the oil intervals and had more than double the lifespan of the standard motor. If we can clean the burn at the source and remove the after treatment, everyone will be happier. The EPA will have the standards met, the end user gets more efficiency and durability, and the enthusiasts get the good sounds and increase of power.
We're not doing it for horsepower! It's for longevity and reliability! I run a EFI tow tune and tranny tune. Hauling RV's. Much cheaper to delete than repair. Haven't seen a 500+k miles that wasn't deleted.
Because you haven't does that mean there aren't? What about the health of all the people you have exposed to the particulates and NOx?
@@TheEsseboy They don't care, it's purely selfishness.
You're right, we don't care. So stop crying.
I'm trying to learn all I can before ordering my first diesel soon...this is exactly the primer I needed. Thanx!
Just ensure you get the exhaust nice and hot every so often. Long journey on highway, use 3rd for a good few minutes to clear out the exhaust filters.
@@jwalker7567going to have to try that...I just picked up a 2024 F350 last week that started at 40% DPF fill and is now at 65% after about 200 miles. Most of the 200 was on the highway, but going 70mph I was only taching about 1100 so I know it wasn't doing me any good. I'll give a shot at limiting the gear so rpms climb and see if that lowers my DPF fill number. I'll be towing a 15k lb 5th wheel soon so that will help. Thanx for the tip.
What a great video and very informative 💪🏽💪🏽
Great video with excellent information! One thing to keep in mind though is that service trucks generally have wayyy higher idle times than normal. While these emission systems continue to improve, these exhaust systems are EXTREMELY expensive to repair/replace. My company has lost almost $500k so far just this year in truck downtime (not counting the cost to repair is like $3-4k per repair) due to backordered parts to fix the exhaust systems when they break...and they seem to break way more often than they should.
They look like a really bad restriction. All I know is that the dodge trucks that were in our fleet had more engine problems and spent more time in the service center than they did on the road all because of those. They created more engines problems and threw more codes than they were worth. I’m speaking of truck with less than 50,000 miles on them. We’ve had the issues start with as little as 3000 miles.
@@tysondehnhoff7561 I pulled my system completely off after having replaced it twice. Each time it was pulled off the intercooler, intercooler pipes and intake were all caked in a black sludge. My fuel economy was about 13-14mpg on the highway and in regen it dropped to about 6-7 mpg. After removing it and completely flushing the system out, cleaning everything back up again my fuel economy on the highway was 20-21 mpg at 75 mph and about 24 mpg at 55-60 mph. The truck runs so much better with more power, my oil changes have been cleaner and I’m burning less fuel for the same distance so it cheaper on my wallet. I haven’t had a single issue since it’s been removed and I use to pull heavy loads in/on a gooseneck trailer. For those that’s would say it wasn’t serviced properly, the engine oil was changed every 3-4 thousand miles, the transmission is serviced once a year and the fuel filters are changed with every oil change.
@@P-J-W-777 The only issue with removing the emissions are poor tuners. Unless my trucks are pulling hard you wont see any smoke out of them.
@@zimmyflip Fortunately for my personal I have one of the last great tuners and it’s capable of either a clean tune while still adding 75 horsepower or up to 375 horsepower with smoke. Spartan in my experience had the tuning down for the Fords. Unfortunately they are no longer around because it was either pay us a ton of money and comply or pay us even more and your gonna be permanently shut down. Just more government interference but what’s new as it has become all to common place these days.
Great video I learned a lot. Thank you for taking the time to make that video.
Amazing information, thank you for this!
You can use "Big Iron Bar" to clean out clogged dpf filters. It also works great on catalytic converters and stock Harley Davidson mufflers. Just a few strokes of Big Iron Bar will fix most exhaust problems.
good one.
I use the BIB on cats after index marking the converter-pipe joint with three parallel scribe marks so I can correctly replace it before welding. HD mufflers are easy of course. I backed mine up with wood then used a hydraulic press to shear the welch plug from the baffle center.
Most people delete the truck to make it louder and more efficient you can’t get a nice sounding truck with the emissions equipment. let’s not forget that the emission systems burns fuel in the exhaust in order for the exhaust to be cleaner and burn the soot out of the dpf .therefore lowering your efficiency. In the end, there’s more pros to removing the emissions than keeping it on.
I don't even own a diesel but find this information fascinating and understandable.
What an awesome video, learned so much. Thank you!
I'm 66 years old and I've got an '04 LB7 that just turned 512,000 miles. It doesn't have any of that stuff and it still runs great. I'm hoping that given proper care it'll outlast me.
You never replaced the injectors?
It's got EGR.
@@garysarratt1 Sorry I just saw your comment, but yeah, injectors have been replaced 4 times to the best of my knowledge.
@@BenKlassen1 I've been told that because my truck is non California it does not have EGR.
@@williamjones4483 Better check again. My dad's '03 LBZ has EGR and he's not in Commiefornia.
Man I wish all the "roll coal" bros would learn a bit and come follow Banks / use Banks products. Great content guys.
If they made mods for my diesel I would buy from them .
It's very hard to make power with a mechanical injection system without some soot
@@bingysbackyard not true. Everything banks does to keep smoke to a minimum is applicable to mechanical engines as well. Cool the intake air keep boost high and early and bring your fuel in based on your boost. My cats were not the cleanest but they didnt roll coal either and passed emissions easily
@@holmes1956O How do you bring on boost early in a non VGT setup? Or add fuel with boost on non Electronic engines?
@@zimmyflip different turbo. Proper cam and fuel timing. Free flowing exhaust manifold. You guys all think its just an adjustment. To make proper hp requires some engineering and hard parts. The billy big rigger roll coal dipsticks think its just a computer adjustment. Thats why they smoke and fail e-test
Masterclass- great information
Glad you think so! Thanks for watching.
We shall now show you why you shouldn’t cut out your emissions equipment by cutting apart this emissions equipment that we got from… well never mind that part…
In all seriousness thank you for explaining all of this. I have asked 3 performance shops and 2 EPA agents how all of this garbage helps the environment. You are the only people who’ve been able to speak to it intelligently so THANK YOU!
I’m so happy y’all did this video. So much nonsense out there and this just makes sense of it all. Very classy of y’all… best performance for the lowest emissions.
I'm waiting for the Derringer for my 22 6.7 PSD!!
It’s no secret we’ve been developing the tuner for the Power Stroke platform over the last few years without putting them on sale. We've been quiet about a release date.Why? The new Derringer Ford platform will share nothing with the current Ford 6.7l Derringer except the name. The 2020+ model-year trucks require us to add more features like a new circuit board and software rather than just manipulating FRP and MAP. Once this new Derringer platform is dyno tested, dialed in, and ready for all the model years, we’ll launch it.
Excellent video, thanks.
@bankspower Where we live, we don't have emission testing. We honestly don't care (Ohio). I just googled a 6.7 Powerstroke and a 6.7 Cummins delete kit from Canada shipped to my door. The average cost seems to be around $2700 with the tuner. $2700 and I never have to worry about anything after the turbo again. Now, a REMAN DPF system for a 6.7 also ranges in price across Google. Most are around $3000 for the whole system. Used are around $1500 from a junkyard all rusted. Most trucks last over 250,000 miles, normally. How many times will I have to replace anything on the aftertreatment system over the life of the truck? NOX sensors, the 7th injector, the DPF filter, DEF doser, the DEF system in general, this list goes on. It seems anything related to emissions, fails a lot sooner than anything else on the truck. That's just the physical parts. Now we get into the obnoxious price of labor to replace any faulty parts, if you don't work on your own equipment. Emissions, the EPA and the idiots "rolling coal" aside, over the life of the truck, I'm spending the $2700 upfront, deleting the DPF and I'm done. Never spending another dime on anything after the turbo. Over time, the aftertreatment systems have improved, especially on the big truck side of things but parts still fail and parts are expensive to replace after the warranty expires. This has nothing to do with "I hate the EPA" (I do but..) or "I wanna ROLL COALL!!!", this is coming from people who can't afford breakdown after breakdown and a derated truck related to the aftertreatment system. $2700 now and delete VS who knows how much $$$ over the life of the truck. This comment is also coming from an individual, not a business owner who the EPA can attack. A big difference there.....
The EPA recently decided to look at data showing how CO2 is worse than NOX emissions from diesels. Too bad diesels produce more CO2 because the EGR reduces engine efficiency and lifecycle use. Nice job EPA, you ignored all the case studies that pointed out exactly that and screwed most diesel owners and manufacturers alike.
From what I've seen most people don't have dpf issues nearly as often as the scr system. If we did away with the egr and allowed engines to not choke on their own exhaust, we could improve efficiency, reduce pm, and regen far less frequently prolonging dpf life for hundreds of thousands of miles.
On a side note, the ash that exits the dpf during regens is generally in the category of very small pm which stays in the atmosphere longer and has worse long term health risks. A properly tuned modern diesel with no emissions produces less CO2 while lasting longer at the expense of NOX emissions (which factoring in all diesel engines in existence produce less NOX than lightning does). Modern emissions have been improved with better air flow characteristics, improved injection cycles and pressure, but have been hamstrung by government mandates that have done more harm than good.
We are in the right direction with this, Nox to CO2 is 265:1 effect on greenhouse. Honestly this is still a bandaid, next gen tech is going to be crazy efficient.
NOX isn't an issue in terms of green house effect...it is its effect on human lungs, plants and other ogranisms.
@@TheEsseboyfunny how those problems never actually happened on old diesels
@@mainframehacker It was, just not talked about as big oil and big car manufacturers paid people to stay quiet.
All real good info. I had 2012 ford 350 diesel that went from 18 mpg stock to 24 mpg with the Def system deleted and the Edge chip only set at 50hp. The system not only increased hp and fuel economy but we tested emissions before and after the delete and although there was a slite increase from the delete it was very little. The truck ran better and more efficiently by removing all the excess.
best youtube video i have seen in a long time.
That was an awesome video. I learned a lot I was thinking about deleting my 2014 Duramax but now maybe not thanks great video I had to check out that Turner
Wow surprised they didn’t mention a sealed oil catch can that’s connected to the turbo intake 😮
That's how its supposed to work you regard
When will the Derringer be released for the 6.7 Cummins?
We have been working on the Derringer for the RAM 6.7L for over three years. The Derringer, when released, will work with all generations of the 6.7L. Why isn't it available? For the same reason, the 2020+ Ford 6.7L and Duramax LZ0/LM2 aren't available. We started down a path electronically that didn't yield the horsepower required to make it a marketable product. So, we went back to the drawing board. Twice. The RAM 6.7 requires more than just manipulating the FRP and MAP. The new system shares nothing with the current GM and EcoDiesel Derringer. We're fully committed to this truck platform. Once this new Derringer tuning is 100% for all the Ram 6.7l Cummins platforms, we’ll launch it.
After you sell your truck. 🙄
Wow. I never knew how advanced and brilliant this engineering is. Fantastic video. I'm a better nan for this. thanks
Great video guys really appreciate your informative information
Excellent video, the amount of misinformation about DPF/DEF is absolutely staggering, and the advertising part isn't too intrusive to me
THe other thing that does a great job solving this problem... Drilling a hole right through the DPF.
Excellent explanation, I bought 3.0 duramax and is my first diesel truck
Excellent explanation. The more you know 💫
If companies would just tell us that the vehicle is in regeneration mode than we may feel a little better about them. I feel like they are trying to have your truck break down so you have to take it in to get costly maintenance. That’s the quickest way to lose customers!
Do private jets use dpf? 🧐
Modern jet combustors are pretty good at not making PM to begin with. But take a look at a photo of an old 707 or DC-8 on takeoff, in the old days the planes used to roll coal like the dirtiest diesels.
Great episode, thank you very much
Another well done vid!! Thanks
The growing pain years are a decade in the mirror at this point, the future is bright, powerful and most importantly, far cleaner. Thanks for the information.
Absolutely!
Ive had the derringer on my 18 l5p for about 3 years now and it works good. The only complaint i have is they engineered it for the higher edition trucks that have electronic 4x4 (knob/pushbutton on the dash) my truck is a w/t modle so it has the shift lever on the floor. So every time i put in 4-low it throws a code on the derringer for excessive trans/slip. But other then that it works good.
Ps. When somthing on the emissions system goes out, shes definitely getting deleted
I had an 08 Cummins with the G56. I bought it from an old timer with 35000 miles on it. On the way home, I drove about 200 miles and got 13 mpg. I had the stuff to delete it there already and got to work. With the tune, I would consistently get 18-19 unloaded and about 14 or 15 loaded down. Now, the tune helped but every once in a while I would go to stock tune with the deletes and my boost would be super low and my EGTs would be really high. I’m guessing it had to run hot to burn the crap off.
All that to say, the truck ran better and got better fuel economy. I would 100% recommend it. If nothing else, the EGR is gross. When you take it off, you see all the junk in the air horn.
Excellent presentation.
Great video and super informative but unfortunately I doubt the coal rollers will take your advice or even care. Owning multiple TDI's has proven to me you can have a clean exhaust even without a DPF and a tune.
you can run decent tunes with the dpf the dpf actually likes a spicy tune as keeping it nice and hot keeps it from having to regen it just does not like the lazy sooty tunes
The problem I’ve have is that DEF freezes at 10 degrees F I’ve been stuck on the side of a road for hours because of a emissions system if you live where it gets below 0 regularly you should delete the emissions
And get fined to death.
And can catch fire
Great video...very informative!
OMAGAWD i learned a lot with this video !!!
It's not hated because it robs you of horsepower! It's super hated cause it keeps your vehicle in the dealer with not horse power to barely move. Keeps emptying your wallet.
Great video. Got a chem 101 refresher, got supporting info about the clowns rolling coal and learned what mu DPF looks like.
As always, Banks teaching as well as preaching.
Great video. Very informative
That was a fantastic presentation!