@@cheapaudioman Hahaha that makes it even more fun!! You like the same stuff just the same. * Can you tell me if the Elac DBR 62 is "power hungry" in your opinion? I've heard that
Mission said music is the master, technology is the slave. These days we forgot about this because we are blinded by expensive things we do not understand thinking oh well must be something behind it. And yeah there are some few notable exceptions. But overall is a marketing win win experience. And I highly recommend Steve Guttenberg's advices. Or this channel, that basically reminds us to trust our own ears not others.
Thanks, Justin. Let's hope that we get enough waves going to get some people to send me some stuff and then I won't go bankrupt. Because that would suck.
@@sthr2110 I'm actually hoping to get this thing rolling and actually get some decent lights instead of lamps with 100 watt naked bulbs. But for right now it kind of plays into the schtick.
First timer... LOVE your reviews! Don’t change a thing! 💪🏽 Your format, love of music, and purpose of finding the best audio components for the money is sooooo professional, and unique! Thank you in advanced, bro, as I continue to listen to the rest of your videos! 👍🏽👐🏽
I do want to do a "Between 2 Speakers" interview. I reached out to Andrew Robinson but he hasn't responded. Going to reach out to Steve Guttenberg and see if he'll do it. Thanks for the compliment.
I have the Klipsch 600M's as the front stage in my home theater. I've been very pleased with their performance thus far. i have not used them for two channel listening yet.
My first time and I think I can safely say that we all remember our first time. Really enjoyed the show and the fabulous presentation. Maybe the reason I enjoy John Darko and the Audiopheliac so much is they don’t take themselves tooooo seriously. Yet my strong impression is that you truly know what you’re talking about even though it’s often phrased as “I like this one better.” That’s what its all about, isn’t it? I want to enjoy the music and not feel that I have to be anally analytical about how vibrations get to my ears! So, count me as a fan, and someone who has been saving his dollars in hopes of better enjoying the music I like by buying a pair of RP-600Ms.
Thanks, Rick and I hope that your first time was not only memorable but also that you don't feel awkward or embarrassed. The first time can be rough but everything is going to be ok. Appreciate the comments. I really enjoy Darko. He has a very good podcast where he really does a deep dive into design characteristics with the engineers. Love Steve G and that he actually reviews/mentions affordable gear.
During my listening career I have had quite a few speakers. I started with some acoustic energy 109s and then moved on to Heco Celans. Currently I have a pair of LS50s, a set of Quad 12l2s and a set of B&W 606S2s. I also auditioned a lot of high end speakers. Out of everything I have had the 606S2s are the best. Never have I heard instruments so lifelike. I know they are little more expensive than 600 but to anyone reading this if you have little more try the B&Ws before you decide.
I was going to buy the BR03s for my daughter but decided to buy the DBR62s. For a variety of reasons. The build quality of the Elacs seams excellent, like the cast baskets and heavy boxes.
@@CinemaDemocratica I set them up on my system. The are really nice sounding speakers. I would say as described by most reviewers. Clean, clear sound, plays good even with the volume up a bit, good bass for a bookshelf (I would still recommend a sub) they look great (white) and I am very impressed by how heavy and solid the boxes are. I own the Polk t15 and the Elacs blow them away, as expected. I would recommend them if you don't mind the price.
@@ericnortan9012 They're probably too rich for my blood unless the stock market really tanks in the next few weeks (I'm triple-short right now) but I'm really intrigued by the brand. The other issue I have is that I live in Cambodia and stuff is next-to-impossible to get here and even harder to send back if necessary. I run a pair of Edifier s2000mkiii's and I am *super* happy with them -- I paid $300 but that's Cambodia prices; the US price is (I think) more like $550, but you get an amplifier stage and a surprisingly good DAC.
@@CinemaDemocratica Right on. You would think Cambodia would have lot of choices for stereo equipment considering the location. Admittedly I don't know a lot about modern Cambodia. Though I do know some of the history, good and bad. From what I have seen it is a very green, picturesque place. I'm old (52) and grew up in the "seperates" era. I like all my equipment plus I am an electrician so messing with things with wires is in my nature. I can definitely appreciate a more simplified system that does the job.
Slight correction on the bass and the back wall - bass is pretty much omnidirectional, and the only difference between front and rear - is the rear port gets closer to the back wall sooner. Placement closer to the back wall will boost the bass, because the omnidirectional bass doesn't have to fill the space behind anymore. When any speaker is placed out into the room it has to fill the whole "sphere" around it. And when you move it closer to the wall that "sphere" is truncated and the energy that the speaker puts out is increased by having to fill less space.
It is interesting that no one comments on how these speakers sound for classical... how close to a concert hall. In the late 60s, 70s and 80s it was about not adding color-brightness or boomy bass. I had moved from KLH entry level to KLH 5s in 69, same speakers as George Szell, famed conductor of Clev Orch, still magnificent. Added Ohm C4s for a different location, still great concert sound, and Celestian DSL6 acoustic suspension in the 80s for my office which I have now moved into my home and considering replacing. Of course my 3 stereo receivers, which I have replaced as necessary (and 10 years ago my decision was based on weight, not merely specs - but quality capacitors protected by substantial heat sinks to keep initial specs constant - which is why Macs have lasted) have more at least 100 "continuous" (peak is different) watts per channel with great specs years ago... probably off by now but still fine. So after much thought have decided to keep my Celestians which due to the quality of sound produced by acoustic suspension speaker, which are more expensive to manufacture, so the Theil approach with multiple speakers and sub woofers has taken over. But with vinyl back decided to get a new turntable, my dual stopped a decade ago and I can make audiophile quality CDs on my denon recorder player. My point is that I assume the 3 speakers will sound good, but compared to an acoustic suspension SL6 depends on the form of music and placement... and the reviews are dependent on ears not necessarily experienced in listening to a world class orchestra playing Brahms, Bach and Beethoven in a great hall. I do appreciate the humor and lack of self-importance of this reviewer! However, there is a massive distinction between playing jazz, Jagger, or R & B and the great symphonies - also all the graphs do not measure the subjective nature of how close any speaker reproduces accurate concert hall sound. Klipsch years ago made massive and truly remarkable speakers, so wonder how these bookshelves do on classical.
💯 I like this guy but with every reviewer there is a subjectivity scale in multiple categories. I always take CAM’s thoughts with a high subjectivity to rock. The triangles I have heard are more impressive with classical and jazz.
Great review, thank you. I tried all tree speakers and Debut b6.2. BR03 sounded the best for me with bluesound node 2 or sonos streaming, and movies. the BR03 sat in the middle sound wise, the elacs sounded dull. Used Outlaw amp and Denon AV receiver for movies .
I have the BR08’s and I think they are great, I’m gonna add the BR03 for surround speakers. There’s lots of love out there for the BR03’s so opinions are subjective lol
Never heard the BR03 and Elac but Klipsch RP600M base performance and surprisingly well scalable. And what i mean by that is the better amp they get the better they are. It's one of the reason for people that want to improve their system with time to buy and keep those speakers.
Thanks for the heads up on Salazars wrestling apparel, I am constantly in need of good wrestling apparel and you have filled that need. Well done sir. :)
Man, this dude looks like he breaks into a sweat just eating a ham sandwich. I dig how he keeps it real and did not redo the video because of the piece of cake on his nose. I actually bought a pair of ELACS because of his reviews.
"In my opinion... whatever" this shootout seems different from all your others. It seemed as if you were apologizing for your opinion and you weren't having as much fun as your other videos. Love your videos irreverent humor and honesty.
Great shootout! I know I've said this before, but absolutely love coming over to your channel! It's just great! Kudos to getting Mr. Jones to comment too! That totally rocks! Can't wait for the next review Randy! Cheers and here's to cheap but good audio! - Ron
The regular man! I like his reviews because it sounds like the guys I worked with.... carrying on a conversation while digesting that bean burrito and cheap beer.
Love this shootout! Nice work. Would have loved to see the UB51 in there as well. Or someday the UB52. I just bought a pair of UB52s to replace my front channel UB51s. They UB51s are now my rear channels. Looks like my home theater is becoming an Andrew Jones showcase. 😅
Really enjoy your content a little humor goes along way; especially these days. I'd be curious to know what equipment you used in your testing of these speakers it would help folks make a better decision or understanding if their outcomes will match your evaluation equipment. Did you try them with a class D amp or any other than the TA 100 ? I have the Triangle and the Klipsch in my home and what I've found is my Klipsch are incredible with my A/B amp and the the Bro3 is incredible on my class D amp reverse them and the Klipsch is bright and the Bro3 lacks detail. You can't lose with any of these but they need to be amp paired correctly for the sound you prefer.
I use an Emotiva TA100 and an Anthem Integrated 225 for my testing. You are right on the money with the Bro3's. They need a class D for sure otherwise they lack detail! Thank you!!! I am vindicated! People love their Bros...
amazing comparison video thank you! feeling a bit of a metal bias but as a full time jazz listener, would you say the elac is the best for clarity and definition? not using for video, only music -Thanks
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you didn't enjoy the BRO3 the first tie you listened...or the second time, so how come they're on this 'best speaker' shootout? you basically disagreed with almost every plus other reviewers have commended these for. I'm probably forgetting something from the day before (this vid was posted Dec 12th, the BRO3 review on the 11th), so I'm looking forward to being enlightened or the rationale to put up something you didn't care for. ;)
Another great review but I've noticed some in your audience are concerned about rising cost on the speakers you are reviewing feeling like you may be stepping slightly beyond the "cheap". For me what would be important is knowing if the $400 + speakers are 2 or 3 times as good as the $100-$200 speakers. You know for me I would pay $300 for a pair of speakers that sound as good or better than speakers costing 2,3,4 or several times more money. The JBL L1's definitely do that for me. Did you ever watch Thomas@Stereo review of the elac debut 6.2. He was very impressed comparing them to speakers costing much much more. STICK WITH BANG FOR BUCK in you reviewing, I know many will appreciate that....and thanks a lot for listening to your audience and making appropriate adjustments. I really do like the new treble intro much better than your previous one. Thanks for that.
This price level is really about my ceiling. And to your point, I do believe that these are 3-4X better than the 100ish speakers. For me, this is the level where the law of diminishing returns truly kicks in. Are they twice as good as some of the sub $300 speakers... kind of. There is just so much more air that can be displaced with the larger drivers. I'm doing a sub $300 6.5" woofer category next week and that is probably going to be the sweet spot for most people as you get maybe 70% of these at around half the cost. I think this level of speaker can truly be a final destination speaker for most. I know it is for me unless a company sends me a $1000 speaker and I can truly say that it's twice the speaker as this category.
Randy I really like your videos. I think they are funny and really informative. Greetings from germany! I wish you just the best for your channel. But as far as I can tell you're doing great. Keep 'em coming :)
Ah and by the way. I just got myself a pair of Elac DBRs. My first pair of quality speakers after the edifier R1280Ts. I really really like them, but I also think they are a little on the warmer side in the lower mids. Do you have a recommendation for a budget amp? I'm thinking about the Denon PMA600NE but I heard it's also rather warm.
yeah. That denon is really full on the bottom and probably wouldn't compliment what you're trying to achieve. I'd say look at some of the NAD's in the same price range or a Musical Fidelity Ms2i or something used.
Elac would be my pick for 2 channel only, but for movies and music I went for the 600m. I do think the efficiency is only like 90-91db though not the advertised 96db
The 600’s are good for dialogue for sure. I’ve run them in my room with no center and they were great. Also great for music too. Can’t go wrong with them.
Please dont apologize Randy!?! If those critics have issue with you being YOU, want a slicker production and commentary, then they can tune to Andrew Robinson's channel! I appreciate your lay point of view based on your many years of seasoned listening experience. I have 30 more listening years than you. I'm sure, like me, you've experienced many different loudspeakers and your "ear" is well tuned for your spectrum of "real/true" sound enjoyment. Anyway, after seeing your other responses of the Elacs, I'm sold on them. Thanks for this Saturday entry! Keep on and please, don't apologize unless you're going to wear that Lucha Libre wrestling mask!!!! 😉
@@cheapaudioman the fact you responded to me in an hour on a 5 month old video is awesome. Love the content. Looking at speakers for a 3.1.2 system and looks to be the Klipsch for me. The elac don't have matching atmos speakers.
@@jukeplays7572 sometimes I see the notifications pop up. Trust me I don’t always see them. And your comment was nice and it was the first sponsor bit I ever did.
Another video, do you ever sleep? Seriously though thanks for this video. I am going to upgrade my 25 year old system in 2021 after getting the Sony SS5C on black friday and my CD player dying recently. My budget for speakers is $600 - $700 perfect timing for my research. Any plans on reviewing any integrated amps in the $700 - $1000 range?
@@cheapaudioman Will check it out! I was actually thinking about upgrading my B6.2 to the reference instead. Also looks like Elac will release a new Reference model soon.
Great review as usual, Randy. Do you think that you'll be able to review any of the Tekton full range towers in the future? It would be awesome to hear your take on the Double Impacts and the Moab.
This channel is getting better by the day! Haha. Keep it going! Funny story is I recently was at a best buy wanting to test out ELAC speakers. They weren't on display but he told me they were junk. I had to walk away.
I auditioned the original Elac b6's there and didn't end up getting them til later. The magnolia listening room isn't an ideal place to listen to speakers. All the bookshelves are well... on bookshelves and all the same distance and all hooked up to receivers. The Elacs b6's don't have the top end sparkle as more consumer oriented speakers so they often sound less desirable compared to others in a situation like that but they're phenomenal after someone spends some time with them.
@@phantasm1004 they don’t get any training and the ones that do probably aren’t interested enough to care. It’s a weird world for audio. The traditional go to market is dying and there are few places to actually listen to reasonably priced equipment. Best we can hope for is a solid return policy with free return shipping.
Hi Randy, good work. Love the irreverent delivery. So since your opinion doesn't mean much....I have to ask, 2 of 3 speakers here have front ports. Any comment how that influenced what you heard and your review ?
the elac and the triangle both have tunings that give them the same bass presence as the klipsch at the same distance from the wall which is incredible. with that said, the elac and triangle felt fuller on the bottom end than the klipsch everything equal which is a really good thing because they have more placement options.
Awesome again. Just subscribed. Please review SVS. I know the Prime bookshelf is rather expensive for what it is but I would be interested. From a fellow former drummer.
"I really like the sound of this speaker. Now, the pair you buy is going to be a completely different size and dimensions because the company likes to play around with enclosure size and I support them for that because it shouldn't matter." That's what it sounds like to me when a reviewer says that room-placement shouldn't be a big deal for a speaker.
@@cheapaudioman HAhahaha! I wondered if someone actually would have assumed it was real. Love your channel. Recently discovered it when thinking about the ELAC's; I did get them (the white ones with oak). Paired them with the Denon PM-600ne and I have been very happy. Thanks for the content man. Your authenticity is what we love.
I'm watching two many videos I'm old as well an appreciate you breaking things down for us .I was gonna go power speakers was a Bluetooth guy but now I'm onto some klipsch an aiyma do3 was gone pick up a paradigm v8 what would u suggest
I'm hearing that the BR03 in that finish are the ones causing the negative reviews. The blk and dark wood grain were made on a different line in China. They suspect that production batch to be different from the others.
I'm disagree with you ! I have those speakers and others like the JBL studio 530, the Emotiva B + ,the Kef Q150, the Magnepan MMG and the Quad 57. The Triangle is a very enjoyable speaker and a easy going choice for is sonic attributes. Sean from Zero fidelity talk about it with details.
I can't believe you sold out and have sponsors now (a huge multinational conglomerate like Salazar's -- really??). I remember when you were a small, up and coming channel. Did Bob Rock get to you??? 😎
My dealbreaker not to get the Klipsch was their tiny sweetspot due the horn. In my experience They have to be toed in just right, otherwise the music had no juice
I kind of found that they did a decent... and I stress the word, decent... job regardless of placement. However, I can understand that. I'm still impressed. I could hardly listen to Klipsch 10 years ago.
You probably can't answer this but it's worth the shot. I am the original owner of a Marantz 2230b and have been burning a lot of time watching speaker reviews. Is a 30 watt/channel amp compatible with a low efficiency 86db speaker?
I had the Klipsch 600 paired with an Emotiva A-300 amp and it just wasn't a good pairing. Went with the Fluance Reference Floorstanding speakers and much much better. Not that sparkling highs that the Klipsch had but the Fluance midrange was just pure silky smooth butter and with dual down firing woofers, the bass was much better and fuller.
Well you might recall me commenting on other videos saying I got the Q150s and love them, but I forked out the extra $139 and ordered the RP600m to try., They’ll be here tomorrow! It sounds like you’re predicting I’ll send the Q150s back. We will see. My very observant eyes noticed from your nose that you might have gotten into some ice cream after the mid range break too haha
If you can, having a pair of Q150's and the 600's really compliment each other and offer different flavors to enjoy. I really don't think there is one "best" speaker or end game speaker for anyone. I think two different speakers with different sound signatures are great to have at the same time. Put one set away for a while and then bring them back in and fall in love with them all over again.
@@cheapaudioman Yeah, I would love that. For now I have to just pick one, though. We will see if it is an easy choice for me or not. I foresee it being a little bit tricky. Luckily a lot of retailers have extended return periods at the moment. I’ll report back with what I find!
Sorry Bro, but the moment you said that bass was a tossup I knew then that you were a anti-TRIANGLE. When we are talking about this size of speakers, you know damn well that the bass, when compared to a full size speaker, is what is lacking the most. The BR03s gets closest to being the exception. As a matter of fact, there are many instances where you won't miss a subwoofer. Yes, the Klipschs might be tight and fast and the Elacs have a little bit of everything, but when it comes to the bass that you want to hear, only the Triangle has that rare quality of giving you a fuller sound down low and it is really enjoyable. BTW my Elacs out of the bedroom, the Triangles are now there. The Elacs are now in the Living Room, with a subwoofer and they play the happiest sounds there.
Do a section of the best 4 inch, 5.25 inch and 6.5 speaker it would be interesting. I would like to know what is the best 4 inch speaker, because my room is small (2.5 x 5 meters)
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I actually love your lack of professionalism! Refreshing.
Thanks. It not easy to do...
@@cheapaudioman haha 😀
".....i'm just an idiot on youtube."😂😂😂 spoken like an true profressional
totally
I really think cheapaudioman is a pro at what he does, with a very unique style.
I am laughing and I have cramps at my belly because of the sponsor... great idea!
This is Wonderful!!!
Never change.
I love hifi in this price category and I appreciate your sense of humour
It's a bit of an acquired taste. Some more serious audiophiles do not enjoy it
@@cheapaudioman Hahaha that makes it even more fun!! You like the same stuff just the same.
* Can you tell me if the Elac DBR 62 is "power hungry" in your opinion?
I've heard that
Can’t stop watching your internet tv. I feel like I’m watching Zach Galifianakis do a quasi serious speaker review.
You know what I like about you? You give your opinion of what your ears hear - not a whole bunch of graphs to justify your comments! Don't change!
Mission said music is the master, technology is the slave. These days we forgot about this because we are blinded by expensive things we do not understand thinking oh well must be something behind it. And yeah there are some few notable exceptions. But overall is a marketing win win experience. And I highly recommend Steve Guttenberg's advices. Or this channel, that basically reminds us to trust our own ears not others.
So impressed that Andrew Jones is watching your show! Seriously, you are making waves in the audio world.
Thanks, Justin. Let's hope that we get enough waves going to get some people to send me some stuff and then I won't go bankrupt. Because that would suck.
"waves".. I noticed that
@@cheapaudioman - what? Didn't you apply for a 1.5 million dollar PPP loan?
Makes you wonder if CAM is on Elac's payroll. ;)
This is definitely the every man’s audio channel. I love it. I don’t feel like I have to wear an ascot while listening.
The hardest working guy in the audio review business if you figure in video production quantity!😉🤗😇
@@sthr2110 I'm actually hoping to get this thing rolling and actually get some decent lights instead of lamps with 100 watt naked bulbs. But for right now it kind of plays into the schtick.
@@cheapaudioman Its fine just the way it is and the way you are.
It has seriously been great watching the channel grow... and so quickly!
Holy shit, man. Who even is this guy
@@josecortes2328 it's, me, Jose... Randy. I'm the Cheap Audio Man
"..my internet TV show" haha
First timer... LOVE your reviews! Don’t change a thing! 💪🏽 Your format, love of music, and purpose of finding the best audio components for the money is sooooo professional, and unique! Thank you in advanced, bro, as I continue to listen to the rest of your videos! 👍🏽👐🏽
Thanks!
It's as if John C Reilly and Will Ferrell had a love child
You are the man!
It’s like between two ferns but with speakers instead of people. Except you. You’re a person. A brilliant, magnificent person.
I do want to do a "Between 2 Speakers" interview. I reached out to Andrew Robinson but he hasn't responded. Going to reach out to Steve Guttenberg and see if he'll do it. Thanks for the compliment.
I have the Klipsch 600M's as the front stage in my home theater. I've been very pleased with their performance thus far. i have not used them for two channel listening yet.
Turn off the room correction and throw on some music and enjoy
Amazing video buddy. Took your advice and bought 4 simple sets of headphones and took it to my local Toys for Tots.
That's awesome. Good things for you, my friend.
You can tell this is vintage Randy. He didn't say "grab a cuppa coffee" :)
My first time and I think I can safely say that we all remember our first time. Really enjoyed the show and the fabulous presentation. Maybe the reason I enjoy John Darko and the Audiopheliac so much is they don’t take themselves tooooo seriously. Yet my strong impression is that you truly know what you’re talking about even though it’s often phrased as “I like this one better.” That’s what its all about, isn’t it? I want to enjoy the music and not feel that I have to be anally analytical about how vibrations get to my ears! So, count me as a fan, and someone who has been saving his dollars in hopes of better enjoying the music I like by buying a pair of RP-600Ms.
Thanks, Rick and I hope that your first time was not only memorable but also that you don't feel awkward or embarrassed. The first time can be rough but everything is going to be ok. Appreciate the comments. I really enjoy Darko. He has a very good podcast where he really does a deep dive into design characteristics with the engineers. Love Steve G and that he actually reviews/mentions affordable gear.
I bought the Elacs and the KRP600M's also the Sony SS-CS5's. I rotate them in my living room. I swap em out. I love em all.
Really good videos, your channel is gonna get big
I have no earthly idea why... I'm literally just babbling on and making up jokes.
@@phantasm1004 And now he's over 5k.
@@pkdude5334 that means a lot. I just love this stuff and I’m probably not doing it “right” but it has been a ton of fun
@@cheapaudioman You have such a unique style that it makes people to remember your videos.
Love the Nacho LiBre style of advertising 🤣
He didn't even touch his hair once after he took mask off.... respect!
During my listening career I have had quite a few speakers. I started with some acoustic energy 109s and then moved on to Heco Celans. Currently I have a pair of LS50s, a set of Quad 12l2s and a set of B&W 606S2s. I also auditioned a lot of high end speakers. Out of everything I have had the 606S2s are the best. Never have I heard instruments so lifelike. I know they are little more expensive than 600 but to anyone reading this if you have little more try the B&Ws before you decide.
I was going to buy the BR03s for my daughter but decided to buy the DBR62s. For a variety of reasons. The build quality of the Elacs seams excellent, like the cast baskets and heavy boxes.
Would be curious to know your after-purchase reactions, assuming they've arrived.
@@CinemaDemocratica I set them up on my system. The are really nice sounding speakers. I would say as described by most reviewers. Clean, clear sound, plays good even with the volume up a bit, good bass for a bookshelf (I would still recommend a sub) they look great (white) and I am very impressed by how heavy and solid the boxes are. I own the Polk t15 and the Elacs blow them away, as expected. I would recommend them if you don't mind the price.
@@ericnortan9012 They're probably too rich for my blood unless the stock market really tanks in the next few weeks (I'm triple-short right now) but I'm really intrigued by the brand.
The other issue I have is that I live in Cambodia and stuff is next-to-impossible to get here and even harder to send back if necessary. I run a pair of Edifier s2000mkiii's and I am *super* happy with them -- I paid $300 but that's Cambodia prices; the US price is (I think) more like $550, but you get an amplifier stage and a surprisingly good DAC.
@@CinemaDemocratica Right on. You would think Cambodia would have lot of choices for stereo equipment considering the location. Admittedly I don't know a lot about modern Cambodia. Though I do know some of the history, good and bad. From what I have seen it is a very green, picturesque place.
I'm old (52) and grew up in the "seperates" era. I like all my equipment plus I am an electrician so messing with things with wires is in my nature. I can definitely appreciate a more simplified system that does the job.
Slight correction on the bass and the back wall - bass is pretty much omnidirectional, and the only difference between front and rear - is the rear port gets closer to the back wall sooner.
Placement closer to the back wall will boost the bass, because the omnidirectional bass doesn't have to fill the space behind anymore. When any speaker is placed out into the room it has to fill the whole "sphere" around it. And when you move it closer to the wall that "sphere" is truncated and the energy that the speaker puts out is increased by having to fill less space.
Hey RandyI had elactall eye surgery can't see anything but my speakers sure sound good😕love the show...
Forget the Super Bowl--it's Saturday Speaker Shootout!!!!
love the retro vids!!!!! you have become so professional now a days. you are my favorite audio guy!
Dude, you are like a glorified Train Wreck and I LOVE IT!!!!! Keep the content coming brother and do NOT change a thing!
This train wreck is now sponsored by Salazar's Wrestling Supplies... so I have that.
@@sthr2110 Doesn't make sense but lol
Man, you look like you were having a hard morning. But you still put out a grade video!
It is interesting that no one comments on how these speakers sound for classical... how close to a concert hall. In the late 60s, 70s and 80s it was about not adding color-brightness or boomy bass. I had moved from KLH entry level to KLH 5s in 69, same speakers as George Szell, famed conductor of Clev Orch, still magnificent. Added Ohm C4s for a different location, still great concert sound, and Celestian DSL6 acoustic suspension in the 80s for my office which I have now moved into my home and considering replacing. Of course my 3 stereo receivers, which I have replaced as necessary (and 10 years ago my decision was based on weight, not merely specs - but quality capacitors protected by substantial heat sinks to keep initial specs constant - which is why Macs have lasted) have more at least 100 "continuous" (peak is different) watts per channel with great specs years ago... probably off by now but still fine. So after much thought have decided to keep my Celestians which due to the quality of sound produced by acoustic suspension speaker, which are more expensive to manufacture, so the Theil approach with multiple speakers and sub woofers has taken over. But with vinyl back decided to get a new turntable, my dual stopped a decade ago and I can make audiophile quality CDs on my denon recorder player. My point is that I assume the 3 speakers will sound good, but compared to an acoustic suspension SL6 depends on the form of music and placement... and the reviews are dependent on ears not necessarily experienced in listening to a world class orchestra playing Brahms, Bach and Beethoven in a great hall. I do appreciate the humor and lack of self-importance of this reviewer! However, there is a massive distinction between playing jazz, Jagger, or R & B and the great symphonies - also all the graphs do not measure the subjective nature of how close any speaker reproduces accurate concert hall sound. Klipsch years ago made massive and truly remarkable speakers, so wonder how these bookshelves do on classical.
💯 I like this guy but with every reviewer there is a subjectivity scale in multiple categories. I always take CAM’s thoughts with a high subjectivity to rock. The triangles I have heard are more impressive with classical and jazz.
Great review, thank you. I tried all tree speakers and Debut b6.2. BR03 sounded the best for me with bluesound node 2 or sonos streaming, and movies. the BR03 sat in the middle sound wise, the elacs sounded dull. Used Outlaw amp and Denon AV receiver for movies .
I think the Debut Reference sound much better than the 6.2's as well.
I have the BR08’s and I think they are great, I’m gonna add the BR03 for surround speakers. There’s lots of love out there for the BR03’s so opinions are subjective lol
Never heard the BR03 and Elac but Klipsch RP600M base performance and surprisingly well scalable. And what i mean by that is the better amp they get the better they are. It's one of the reason for people that want to improve their system with time to buy and keep those speakers.
Thanks for the heads up on Salazars wrestling apparel, I am constantly in need of good wrestling apparel and you have filled that need. Well done sir. :)
Nice hangover 😵
Man, this dude looks like he breaks into a sweat just eating a ham sandwich. I dig how he keeps it real and did not redo the video because of the piece of cake on his nose. I actually bought a pair of ELACS because of his reviews.
Came for the speaker information, stayed for the comedy
"In my opinion... whatever" this shootout seems different from all your others. It seemed as if you were apologizing for your opinion and you weren't having as much fun as your other videos. Love your videos irreverent humor and honesty.
Great shootout! I know I've said this before, but absolutely love coming over to your channel! It's just great! Kudos to getting Mr. Jones to comment too! That totally rocks! Can't wait for the next review Randy! Cheers and here's to cheap but good audio! - Ron
Thanks, Ron. Really appreciate that.
Wrestling sponsor... hilarious 😂
The regular man! I like his reviews because it sounds like the guys I worked with.... carrying on a conversation while digesting that bean burrito and cheap beer.
You’re not an idiot on RUclips, Cheap Audio Man.. You’re OUR idiot Mr Randy man!!!! Love your channel and reviews! Keep up the great work
OMG you have such a broad range of sponsors! Kudos!
LOL
This is my new favorite channel.
Love this shootout! Nice work. Would have loved to see the UB51 in there as well. Or someday the UB52. I just bought a pair of UB52s to replace my front channel UB51s. They UB51s are now my rear channels. Looks like my home theater is becoming an Andrew Jones showcase. 😅
Best comparism ever! Stay tunes! Greetings from Berlin, Germany!
Best ad read of all time hahaha
“I’ve built some speakers. They’re not very good...”
The woodworking is the toughest part and then messing with the crossover is exhausting. I'll get back into it again sometime but it's really tough.
Glad that you have such “amazing” sponsors to continue your channel!👍
Is this what a cyborg is like with 5% battery power left. 🤣
I would love to hear your thoughts on the Unifi 2.0 and how it compares with the Debut Reference.
I would too. I have the first generation and I love it.
Great episode as always, would love to see vids on powered speakers like the Kanto TUK, Monoprice MM-5R, Klipsch R-51PM, etc
Want to get some for sure. Maybe need all of you wonderful people to start lighting them up on Twitter to send me stuff
Really enjoy your content a little humor goes along way; especially these days.
I'd be curious to know what equipment you used in your testing of these speakers it would help folks make a better decision or understanding if their outcomes will match your evaluation equipment. Did you try them with a class D amp or any other than the TA 100 ?
I have the Triangle and the Klipsch in my home and what I've found is my Klipsch are incredible with my A/B amp and the the Bro3 is incredible on my class D amp reverse them and the Klipsch is bright and the Bro3 lacks detail.
You can't lose with any of these but they need to be amp paired correctly for the sound you prefer.
I use an Emotiva TA100 and an Anthem Integrated 225 for my testing. You are right on the money with the Bro3's. They need a class D for sure otherwise they lack detail! Thank you!!! I am vindicated! People love their Bros...
You are clearly loco, and I like it. Great work. Thanks!
Best sponsor spot ever! Cracked up! There is such a thing as clarified butter.
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“...I don’t know how they found me...”😂😂😂
You had me with the sponsor bit. This video made a subscriber outta me. That was very entertaining.
amazing comparison video thank you! feeling a bit of a metal bias but as a full time jazz listener, would you say the elac is the best for clarity and definition? not using for video, only music -Thanks
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That’s good to know how diversified they are.
you didn't enjoy the BRO3 the first tie you listened...or the second time, so how come they're on this 'best speaker' shootout? you basically disagreed with almost every plus other reviewers have commended these for. I'm probably forgetting something from the day before (this vid was posted Dec 12th, the BRO3 review on the 11th), so I'm looking forward to being enlightened or the rationale to put up something you didn't care for. ;)
Another great review but I've noticed some in your audience are concerned about rising cost on the speakers you are reviewing feeling like you may be stepping slightly beyond the "cheap". For me what would be important is knowing if the $400 + speakers are 2 or 3 times as good as the $100-$200 speakers. You know for me I would pay $300 for a pair of speakers that sound as good or better than speakers costing 2,3,4 or several times more money. The JBL L1's definitely do that for me. Did you ever watch Thomas@Stereo review of the elac debut 6.2. He was very impressed comparing them to speakers costing much much more. STICK WITH BANG FOR BUCK in you reviewing, I know many will appreciate that....and thanks a lot for listening to your audience and making appropriate adjustments. I really do like the new treble intro much better than your previous one. Thanks for that.
This price level is really about my ceiling. And to your point, I do believe that these are 3-4X better than the 100ish speakers. For me, this is the level where the law of diminishing returns truly kicks in. Are they twice as good as some of the sub $300 speakers... kind of. There is just so much more air that can be displaced with the larger drivers. I'm doing a sub $300 6.5" woofer category next week and that is probably going to be the sweet spot for most people as you get maybe 70% of these at around half the cost. I think this level of speaker can truly be a final destination speaker for most. I know it is for me unless a company sends me a $1000 speaker and I can truly say that it's twice the speaker as this category.
Is that for real Salazar sponsor? Very funny. Like that short sponsorship.
nope. was fake but I thought funny
Randy I really like your videos. I think they are funny and really informative. Greetings from germany! I wish you just the best for your channel. But as far as I can tell you're doing great. Keep 'em coming :)
Ah and by the way. I just got myself a pair of Elac DBRs. My first pair of quality speakers after the edifier R1280Ts. I really really like them, but I also think they are a little on the warmer side in the lower mids. Do you have a recommendation for a budget amp? I'm thinking about the Denon PMA600NE but I heard it's also rather warm.
Guten tag! I'm of german descent. Would love to go back there and meet some of my family
yeah. That denon is really full on the bottom and probably wouldn't compliment what you're trying to achieve. I'd say look at some of the NAD's in the same price range or a Musical Fidelity Ms2i or something used.
@@cheapaudioman Auch dir einen guten Tag:) Hopefully you can visit them very soon. However in the winter you're not really missing anything here :D
😂 “Will Ferrell” does audio! Love this stuff!
Elac would be my pick for 2 channel only, but for movies and music I went for the 600m. I do think the efficiency is only like 90-91db though not the advertised 96db
The 600’s are good for dialogue for sure. I’ve run them in my room with no center and they were great. Also great for music too. Can’t go wrong with them.
Please dont apologize Randy!?! If those critics have issue with you being YOU, want a slicker production and commentary, then they can tune to Andrew Robinson's channel! I appreciate your lay point of view based on your many years of seasoned listening experience. I have 30 more listening years than you. I'm sure, like me, you've experienced many different loudspeakers and your "ear" is well tuned for your spectrum of "real/true" sound enjoyment. Anyway, after seeing your other responses of the Elacs, I'm sold on them. Thanks for this Saturday entry! Keep on and please, don't apologize unless you're going to wear that Lucha Libre wrestling mask!!!! 😉
These Elacs are something else. They maintain clarity and excitement while still being smooth. Never experienced that before.
Love this channel. And the approach to audio. No snobbery here
Thanks! Some of the snobby people don’t care for me.
You did a great job on this one! Very enjoyable.
Thanks for a great review
Any time, Mr. Yates.
Bruh I was crying when you popped out with the mask
I was thinking about doing a video of all of my sponsors and I had forgotten which video was my first sponsor. Thank you!!!!
@@cheapaudioman the fact you responded to me in an hour on a 5 month old video is awesome. Love the content. Looking at speakers for a 3.1.2 system and looks to be the Klipsch for me. The elac don't have matching atmos speakers.
@@jukeplays7572 sometimes I see the notifications pop up. Trust me I don’t always see them. And your comment was nice and it was the first sponsor bit I ever did.
Another video, do you ever sleep?
Seriously though thanks for this video. I am going to upgrade my 25 year old system in 2021 after getting the Sony SS5C on black friday and my CD player dying recently. My budget for speakers is $600 - $700 perfect timing for my research. Any plans on reviewing any integrated amps in the $700 - $1000 range?
Integrated and receivers are harder for me to get my hands on. I'd love to but I need some traction to get some companies to start sending me things.
@@sthr2110 that' would be difficult too. I mean I have the gmail account and those are really hard to come by
@@cheapaudioman Mid grade guy is taken, don't even think about it 😅
Elac and Metallica fan here. They were made for each other. Elac Debut is the best speaker for metal. Hands down.
Brother. If you’re ever in the market the CSS Criton is crazy awesome for metal. My favorite speaker for pretty much everything now.
@@cheapaudioman Will check it out! I was actually thinking about upgrading my B6.2 to the reference instead. Also looks like Elac will release a new Reference model soon.
No, no script. You are great. Have fun.
Great review as usual, Randy. Do you think that you'll be able to review any of the Tekton full range towers in the future? It would be awesome to hear your take on the Double Impacts and the Moab.
This is really odd ... you didnt put Elac UB52s in the competition but picked up the reference ones ????
This channel is getting better by the day! Haha. Keep it going! Funny story is I recently was at a best buy wanting to test out ELAC speakers. They weren't on display but he told me they were junk. I had to walk away.
Hmm professionals at work, right? :D
@@MisterReenhaha. yea they have no clue in there.
I auditioned the original Elac b6's there and didn't end up getting them til later. The magnolia listening room isn't an ideal place to listen to speakers. All the bookshelves are well... on bookshelves and all the same distance and all hooked up to receivers. The Elacs b6's don't have the top end sparkle as more consumer oriented speakers so they often sound less desirable compared to others in a situation like that but they're phenomenal after someone spends some time with them.
@@phantasm1004 they don’t get any training and the ones that do probably aren’t interested enough to care. It’s a weird world for audio. The traditional go to market is dying and there are few places to actually listen to reasonably priced equipment. Best we can hope for is a solid return policy with free return shipping.
Keeping this hobby fun! Well done 👍🏻
Thanks so much
Hi Randy, good work. Love the irreverent delivery.
So since your opinion doesn't mean much....I have to ask, 2 of 3 speakers here have front ports.
Any comment how that influenced what you heard and your review ?
the elac and the triangle both have tunings that give them the same bass presence as the klipsch at the same distance from the wall which is incredible. with that said, the elac and triangle felt fuller on the bottom end than the klipsch everything equal which is a really good thing because they have more placement options.
Awesome again. Just subscribed. Please review SVS. I know the Prime bookshelf is rather expensive for what it is but I would be interested. From a fellow former drummer.
Bro, I full gut-laughed at the sponser bit. Nice work!
Elac vote
no red tape here just honest opinion love your channel man keep the content coming dude.....just subbed.
"I really like the sound of this speaker. Now, the pair you buy is going to be a completely different size and dimensions because the company likes to play around with enclosure size and I support them for that because it shouldn't matter."
That's what it sounds like to me when a reviewer says that room-placement shouldn't be a big deal for a speaker.
Salazar's bit was gold.
Someone actually commented that they pay for RUclips premium so they didn’t have to see advertisements and they didn’t appreciate one in the show...
@@cheapaudioman HAhahaha! I wondered if someone actually would have assumed it was real. Love your channel. Recently discovered it when thinking about the ELAC's; I did get them (the white ones with oak). Paired them with the Denon PM-600ne and I have been very happy. Thanks for the content man. Your authenticity is what we love.
@@adamarmstrong3991 good pairing. Bet that combo is very luscious and rich. Like warm leather
@@cheapaudioman It's your grandfather's jacket that smells of tobacco, keeping you warm by the fire. Yeah, it's that kind of sound. Love it.
I'm watching two many videos I'm old as well an appreciate you breaking things down for us .I was gonna go power speakers was a Bluetooth guy but now I'm onto some klipsch an aiyma do3 was gone pick up a paradigm v8 what would u suggest
I'm hearing that the BR03 in that finish are the ones causing the negative reviews. The blk and dark wood grain were made on a different line in China. They suspect that production batch to be different from the others.
I'd love to know more about this. I have walnut BR03s and to me they are the poor man's Nola Boxer, which is a spectacularly musical speaker.
This is absolutely hilarious! I'm subscribed now!!!
Plus, I'm buying Salazar wrestling products!
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I'm disagree with you ! I have those speakers and others like the JBL studio 530, the Emotiva B + ,the Kef Q150, the Magnepan MMG and the Quad 57. The Triangle is a very enjoyable speaker and a easy going choice for is sonic attributes. Sean from Zero fidelity talk about it with details.
I owned the Triangle Bro3 for a short while, and they didn't hold a candle to my Epos Epic 2s. I listened to the hype!
I'm loving your channel more with each passing review. Love the new "sponsor".
Thank you! I don't know how they find me.
I can't believe you sold out and have sponsors now (a huge multinational conglomerate like Salazar's -- really??). I remember when you were a small, up and coming channel. Did Bob Rock get to you??? 😎
I'm sorry. I know. But we have to pay for all of the fancy editing and keep the lights on over here at CAM studios.
My dealbreaker not to get the Klipsch was their tiny sweetspot due the horn. In my experience They have to be toed in just right, otherwise the music had no juice
I kind of found that they did a decent... and I stress the word, decent... job regardless of placement. However, I can understand that. I'm still impressed. I could hardly listen to Klipsch 10 years ago.
Most refreshing and fun to watch audio review channel
Randy, I would be interested in hearing your opinions of the Q-Acoustics 3030i as compared to these three models.
Don’t have them but would love to hear them. Really impressed with the 3020’s.
I found my favourite youtube audio channel!
Much appreciated. I don't know if I trust your judgement now though...
@@cheapaudioman don't trust my judgement, trust your own.
Very entertaining. Veiled (to use your own word) sense of humour. Great, objective review. Keep up the good job.
It's hard to see the jokes in there sometimes...
@@cheapaudioman only your audience can pick that up.
You probably can't answer this but it's worth the shot. I am the original owner of a Marantz 2230b and have been burning a lot of time watching speaker reviews. Is a 30 watt/channel amp compatible with a low efficiency 86db speaker?
I had the Klipsch 600 paired with an Emotiva A-300 amp and it just wasn't a good pairing. Went with the Fluance Reference Floorstanding speakers and much much better. Not that sparkling highs that the Klipsch had but the Fluance midrange was just pure silky smooth butter and with dual down firing woofers, the bass was much better and fuller.
Well you might recall me commenting on other videos saying I got the Q150s and love them, but I forked out the extra $139 and ordered the RP600m to try., They’ll be here tomorrow! It sounds like you’re predicting I’ll send the Q150s back. We will see. My very observant eyes noticed from your nose that you might have gotten into some ice cream after the mid range break too haha
If you can, having a pair of Q150's and the 600's really compliment each other and offer different flavors to enjoy. I really don't think there is one "best" speaker or end game speaker for anyone. I think two different speakers with different sound signatures are great to have at the same time. Put one set away for a while and then bring them back in and fall in love with them all over again.
@@cheapaudioman Yeah, I would love that. For now I have to just pick one, though. We will see if it is an easy choice for me or not. I foresee it being a little bit tricky. Luckily a lot of retailers have extended return periods at the moment. I’ll report back with what I find!
Sorry Bro, but the moment you said that bass was a tossup I knew then that you were a anti-TRIANGLE. When we are talking about this size of speakers, you know damn well that the bass, when compared to a full size speaker, is what is lacking the most. The BR03s gets closest to being the exception. As a matter of fact, there are many instances where you won't miss a subwoofer. Yes, the Klipschs might be tight and fast and the Elacs have a little bit of everything, but when it comes to the bass that you want to hear, only the Triangle has that rare quality of giving you a fuller sound down low and it is really enjoyable. BTW my Elacs out of the bedroom, the Triangles are now there. The Elacs are now in the Living Room, with a subwoofer and they play the happiest sounds there.
Do a section of the best 4 inch, 5.25 inch and 6.5 speaker it would be interesting. I would like to know what is the best 4 inch speaker, because my room is small (2.5 x 5 meters)
I have a best 5 1/4” one less than $300