It’s crazy to think about him living until the 1990s! Going from the Wild West through the different decades must have been insane for any real life person who actually did live that long after being born in the late 1800s!
I do like the idea of Jack becoming a writer. It would be a way for him to keep the memory of his father John, and his uncle Arthur, alive. In the turn of the century there was a demand for stories about the American West, especially by authors with some level of legitimacy, so there'd be plenty of people willing to read his story and Jack could live off the proceeds.
Well there is a good chance he becomes a writer in the epilogue he usually has a book in his hands or is talking about books, also in GTA V in franklins house you find a book called “red dead” written back J. Marston
It was actually hinted that he did became a writer because a book called Red Dead can be seen in a GTA game (forgot which one) and the authors name is J.Marston hence Jack Marston.
Something folks tend to look over is that in RDR1, when edgar ross is killed one guy at a campfire will mention how edgar ross seemingly was killed by a random bandit, so it seems nobody really knows it was jack, and the people who could recognize him don't have a name to place on him.
Yeah, it's often also forgotten that he was killed not in the US, but in Mexico, at the time a seemingly more lawless country. At the same time Ross was far away from any witnesses. One could make the connection that Jack killed Ross, but only if they knew who Jack was. It would be hard to make that connection, but it would still be possible. It would require the family of Ross being able to recognize Jack for him to be unveiled as Jack Marston, son of the legendary outlaw Edgar Ross killed.
@@johnbishop9621 he also technically killed edgar ross legally, due to them having a duel. he didn't just go up to shoot edgar, they both drew on eachother while dueling
Don’t forget he was in black water asking around about him too, he literally spoke to another agent about him who gave him Ross’s whereabouts, which lead him to only his wife, which then lead him to Mexico to Ross. The last person who saw Ross alive was his wife, right before someone asked where he was to be found. I’d bet he got caught later on unless he never came back home from Mexico.
Personally, I think it's a combination of theses theories. I think after killing Ross, Jack wandered, fighting in the Mexican Revolution and eventually leaving. He then went to the US, collected the story of all the surviving gang members and publishing the story of the Van Der Lin gang, and that's the story we are playing. The games are the story. After writing the stories, Jack goes back to his ranch, and lives out all of his days, eventually dying in the late 1900's.
Maybe also as an old man he talks to some young men at a bar in the 1980s about being a lonesome drifter in the old west and it gives them the inspiration to create the Wasteland game and eventually Fallout 👀
Jack didn’t commit suicide. In the credits song “Deadman’s gun” (which is basically Jacks thoughts) it says “and you’re not gonna let ‘em take your will to live because they’ve taken enough”
@@skeletonbuyingpealts7134 yeah but ya always gotta find a reason to live cus you never know. Eventually he would become a successful author, so safe to assume the last cowboy was able to find a place in a world opposite of what he grew up with afterall
Jack is gone back to ranching and writing a book. He took his anger and revenge on Ross, Sure he's still angry and depressed but he doesn't wanna give up on living now.
I thought the whole point of being able to play as Jack after killing Ross was to decide how his story ends. You can wander the map, helping strangers and doing jobs, or you can be a criminal. I always thought Jack’s outcome was up to the player 🤷♂️
@@karmitdafruge1 Well in the Wild West that wouldn’t matter too much. Pat Garrett, the guy who killed Billy the Kid, was an outlaw before he turned into a Sheriff. In fact a lot of Western lawmen started out as criminals and whatnot. It wouldn’t be unrealistic for Jack to make that change as well considering the time period.
Jack could be traveling, trying to find the Sadie, Charles, Swanson, Pearson, Mary and Tilly trying to piece together the rise and fall of the Van der lin gang, know more about Dutch, Hosea, and Arthur and know more of John. The story could be also involve the suicide theory, but he's just thinking of it while on his journey. Maybe he could find someone that gives him a reason to not blow his brains out and become a writer. Just like how Arthur redemption was helping people get second chance and John redemption was sacrificing time for his family. Jack's could be cherishing life again and remind himself that John never wanted Jack to be like him.
But if John didn't kill bill, Javier, and Dutch and if they federal government sons of bitches didn't kill John. The van der linde gang would be formed again
I doubt that, he never seemed to close to the gang outside of uncle, John and Abigail I’m not saying he didn’t like them but he didn’t look all to attached to them either. Sadie and Charles are the people he’d be closest with and I still don’t think he cares enough about them to travel the world looking for them that’s not to say he doesn’t care about them at all I like to image that whenever he thinks about them that he hopes where they are that they’re happy and content in life but not much else aside form that. And for the rest I don’t think he even remembers anyone else form the gang life, hell he struggled to remember Arthur of all people what are the odds that he’d remember the camp cook or someone like Tilly Jackson? For me I’d like to think that despite jacks depression and suicidal attitude when it comes to fighting that he eventually managed to hold on to his strength and pull himself out of the hole he’s in. And after that I like to image that he finds a wife for himself so that he isn’t so lonely anymore, if he manages to do that then I think he’ll be fine
i love how arthur gave john his hat, and when john passed it went to jack. these two rdr games are one of a kind and we are blessed to be able to experience these games in our life
That’s not the same hat 😂 John has 3 hats he has his old gambler hat, Arthur’s hat, and his new cowboy hat which is the signature one he wears in the first game. His cowboy hat passed down to Jack, it’s unknown where Arthur’s and Johns old gambler hat are during the first game but it can be assumed its just chilling in his house somewhere
I'd go with the theory that Jack becomes an Author, writes the whole RDR story down. Writing can also be therapeutic and a way for him to compensate his trauma. And maybe he, like Charles, eventually goes to Canada. Maybe even meets up with Charles, which would propably be a good thing. Far away from everything he might be able to really live a life, Arthur and his parents alwayse wished for him. I think everyone would like to have some kind of "happy end" for the kid, since he's been through it.
@@justice_of_RUclips Not that many years, when he's around 20 at the end of RDR. Jack was already a teenager when Charles left, so it can't be more than 5 to 7 years maybe. Unlike Jack, Charles probably has not changed that much, so Jack should be able to recognize Charles no problem, even if it might take Charles a moment and a second look.
Really do hope RDR3 is about Jack Marston, and even though he wouldn’t voluntarily decide to fight in WW1, I think it would be awesome if there was a Guarma-like chapter where he somehow gets caught up in it, and has to fight his way home. Something about combining the chaos of WW1 with RDR mechanics is something I’ve wanted since 2011.
@@james_fisch RDR is over 😂 cry more, it's a perfect story and to disservice it in the name of appealing to someone's need to live in pretend land 2.0 is selfish to say the least. Go make some more content for the geriatric people on RUclips lol
Jack killing Ross and become an outlaw is one of the biggest tragedies in the red dead storyline. The very thing his mother and father didn’t want. “Over my dead body” I believe we’re the exact words.
@@3n3j0t4 I believe the moment he killed a retired High-Ranking Goverment Official he signed his fate as an outlaw. He was the last-known person looking for him, his face is known, and he did shout his name. But hey I might be wrong
One of the theories I’ve personally came up with on what happened to Jack is that he becomes the new version of Landon Ricketts. He is basically the last of a generation of gunslingers that no longer fit in an ever evolving society which is probably why he spends his time in Mexico and the Ranch. I can actually see him being apart of another Mexican Revolution just being another gun for hire
I like this. I don't see Jack settling down to live a peaceful life. I think the moment he shot Ross he resigned himself to living and dying by the gun. I can't see Jack having a book published while he's still alive - I can't see him wanting to be famous. But maybe somebody gets a hold of his writings and publishes them posthumously?
@@rdrrrmaybe his book was written by a friend who listened to his stories during the war and was published under his name to pay respects to him. something similar to arthur meeting the writer who's writing about gunslingers.
@@PeptoAbismol I don't think Jack fights in the Great War. He's not gonna volunteer to fight and die for the government and good luck drafting an armed and angry man with no fixed address. I can see Jack working as a gun-for-hire in Mexico - it was very unstable at that point in time, lots of work for someone with Jack's skillset. Jack could write about his experiences there, for sure.
I think that the book *'Red Dead'* is what Jack had compiled together from everything that was written in Arthur's/John's journal...along with some old scraps of information that he found in John's room: i.e. newspaper article clippings, photos, etcetera in addition to some of Jack's memories about all the other members of the Van der Linde Gang. So the book is what Jack used to chronicle the history of the Van der Linde Gang...and, in a way, immortalize them, especially his *'Uncle Arthur'* and his father in history as legendary outlaw gunslingers of the Old American Wild West on the same level as Red Harlow, Landon Ricketts, and Otis Miller: i.e. the Legend of the East (Arthur), and the Legend of the West (John). I believe that *'Red Dead'* is the autobiography of Arthur's, John's, and Jack's lives...and the games are us playing through their historically recorded lives. I believe, no matter what, that all of Rockstar Games'...well, games, are all in a shared continuity universe. It makes it more enjoyable that all of those amazing games can, somehow, be together.
Red Dead Revolver remake would be amazing. Or at least an adaptation of those events to canonize them to the Redemption timeline. Maybe we could see young Dutch and Arthur as side missions
Like Dutch van der Linde once said: "Revenge is a fool's game." It has only brought bad consequences to John Marston after RDR2, that's the whole point of redemption in the series. Jack Marston was most likely arrested at some point for the *census subscription cancellation* of a high-ranking government agent. You don't get to live a bad life and get good things in exchange. Edit: Thanks for the shout out and although I do this for nothing in return, I'm still grateful.
@@WiIlianRR pretty sure it's a philosophy Dutch taught to Arthur at a young age, I think Arthur says something along the lines of "well you always said revenge is a fool's game" when they go to watch Colm hang
Jack is my favorite character in the series. He’s the character that’s the embodiment of the themes of both Redemption games. Bravo on the video, lads.
We truly need an ending for Jack's story in the next game. A lot of people want another prequel that explains the Blackwater massacre, but i have always hated that idea, Jack is the one that has suffered the most thanks to the Van Der Linde gang trough his life, from start to end his life has been nothing but tragedy, tragedy caused by those who surrounded him, a kid born in a world full of violence. The only reasonable ending for this trilogy is if we finally get to see at least one person, one protagonist of the Red Dead Redemption saga finally end this cycle of violence and blood and get the ending he deserves.
The beauty of it is Jacks ending is completely up to the player. He killed his fathers killer and then whatever happens afterwards is for you to decide. The wild west is pretty much dead past 1910 and there isn't much they can really do story wise. If anything, I think they should go back and remake/retell the story of the original Red Dead: Revolver with Red Harlow.
I will say there is certain spectacles of the wild west which continued on past 1910 for a little while like the mountain men or the stuff in the Northern Frontier otherwise I mostly agree
As soon as you said "the suicide theory" I got chills. I never considered that possibility but its definitely really dark and is devastating to imagine him ending up going that route
I'd like to think Jack ended up living a life like Ernest Hemingway without the whole suicide bit. After killing Ross he would travel around the United States getting into the occasional drunken brawl and maybe do a bit of good. One day like a stroke of lighting he decides if he's gonna keep on living and not end it all he might as well do something with his life. He becomes a fiction/ biographical writer and journalist and exposes the corruption of the US government. Instead of carrying out vigilante justice as his father before he trying to turn his life around and bring justice to the corrupt politicians. I could see Jack turning some of his actual life experiences like being kidnapped by Angelo Bronte and turning it into a more light hearted children's book.
"And then mafia crime lord, Angelo Bronte, ordered the annihilation of an entire precinct..." Then the book shows a massacre but without red blood, rainbows instead.
I like to imagine Jack, after killing Ross, had his need for revenge satiated and retired his gunslinger lifestyle and looked for something to live for. That being writing and making a family of his own.
Can I just say that intro was absolutely spine chilling and extremely high quality, genuinely one of the best I've seen in some time could easily be a recap to a Jack Marston DLC
I think there might be a combination of both the Freedom Fighter and Writer Theories, with shades of the Suicide Theory sprinkled in. Jack's story would be an epilogue set either immediately or a few years after the events of RDR1. After Edgar Ross's death, Jack avoids the Bureau of Investigations and goes into hiding in Mexico, where he might contemplate suicide after everything was seemingly said and done. At this time, Mexico is on the brink of revolution once more, this time against President Abraham Reyes. Reyes would possibly send for John, but would only find and offer Jack sanctuary in exchange for his aid in putting down the rebeldes. Reyes would believe that Jack is every bit the gunslinger John was. Eventually, Jack would meet Sadie Adler again and possibly Luisa Fortuna's sister Miranda, both of whom are aiding the rebels. Sadie would be understanding of Jack's pain, as she was in Jack's shoes many years ago, but would still be very disappointed in Jack becoming an outlaw, a lifestyle Arthur, John, and Abigail never wanted for him. Sadie would proceed to help him get back on the right path and help the young man gind a reason for living, with Jack eventually defecting to the rebels. There may be some conversations between Jack and Miranda, and a bond would be formed due to them losing family members at the hands of their respective governments and having their loved ones be manipulated by people they thought had their best interests at heart (Dutch manipulating Arthur, John, and Abigail for Jack and Reyes manipulating Luisa for Miranda). The epilogue would end with Reyes overthrown and executed, Sadie possibly dying during the fighting, and Jack achieving his own redemption, with him possibly gaining a pardon from the US government (possibly from working with them or fulfilling some objective without his knowledge during a mission in Mexico [maybe have Reyes consider agreeing to the Zimmerman telegram or something idk]) and returning to the US to bury Sadie back at her old home and finally to Beecher's Hope to live the life that his family and so many people had sacrificed so much to give him. He would later write a book about the Van Der Linde gang, utilizing both the accounts from both the surviving gang members (Charles, Tilly, Mary-Beth, Pearson, Swanson, and possibly Trelawny) and the strangers both Arthur and John met during their journeys, as well as using the journals of Arthur and John as further inspiration for writing his book. This would result in possibly showing the world the good Samaritan his father had been after leaving the outlaw life, an image that would have been ruined by Edgar Ross until now, and immortalizing both John Marston and Arthur Morgan into the annals of American legend.
@jjacobroe2291 I felt that if Jack's story was to continue in the RDR series, then it must act as a bookend to the series as a whole. I've also considered the possibility of Mac Callender being the main protagonist for RDR3 and Jack being the epilogue protagonist, with both of their stories being almost of equal length. I recommend checking out BOOFIRE191'S video on RDR's next protagonist for further details. Also, regarding my thoughts on a bond between Jack and Miranda, I felt that they would have common ground, with losing their loved ones by the hands of the government and having their loved ones be manipulated by those who claimed to have their best interests at heart (Dutch raising Arthur and John to cement their loyalty to him; Reyes seducing Luisa to ensure her loyalty). The only difference between Dutch and Reyes was that the latter was honest to John with what he was doing. But I'm getting off topic. I feel that the foundation is in place for a genuine bond between Jack and Miranda, one that Sadie might encourage to help get Jack back on the right path, whether it be a friendship or a romance or a development from the former to the latter. The things that might hold it back is the fact that Miranda is currently a flat character with little to no character development, coming and going after one mission.
One problem is that Jack doesn’t need redemption, unlike Arthur and John he’s been a victim his whole life and him killing Ross was justice, not murder. There’s even npc campfire dialogue where people say Ross got killed by Banditos, so Jack has no reason to be in hiding nor does he have anything to “redeem”. Also, Reyes wouldn’t even remember John he was a terrible person and even John didn’t like him but had no choice but to work with him after Allende and De Santa betrayed him
@@josephstalin2606 Sorry for the late reply, I was getting everything ready for my Fall semester in college. You do bring up good points, but there may be a scenario where Jack has no choice but to go to Mexico to escape justice, since Jack asked BOI agent Howard Sawicki and both Edgar Ross' wife and brother about Ross' whereabouts. This would lead to an encounter with President Reyes during the next Mexican Revolution, as he would need someone with John's skills to defeat the rebels. In this scenario, this would inevitably lead to his reunion with Sadie Adler, who would be aiding the rebels alongside Miranda Fortuna. Sadie would express disappointment with Jack for choosing the life of an outlaw, which was a fate Arthur, John, and Abigail never wanted for him, saying something along the lines of "Your parents and Arthur would be so ashamed of you." His need for redemption may not come from atoning for Ross' murder (as you said, that was justice for the wrongs he committed against the Marston family), but by moving on from his pain and trying to turn his life around and live the life his parents and Arthur sacrificed so much for him to have while he still can. He would get the aid of Sadie, who would be for Jack similar to what Landon Ricketts was for John during his time in Nuevo Paraiso.
Jack is one of my favourite characters in the game despite having such little role in the end of the game. The way he rides his horse (he nearly rides them to death), to his calm demeanor and articulate speech, is like a polar opposite to his blood thirsty and psychotic nature. It's such a good blend of contrast that you can't help but wonder what he'll do next. You know he isn't anyone to be messed with, but can be so polite towards people like the elderly. His antagonize option for females however are pretty disturbing.
In my own opinion, when you think about it Jack unsubscribed the guy from life in the middle of nowhere, we don't now how long it will take someone to find the body or to identify it, even when they find and identify ross they have to link it to jack, plus a famous, successful, corrupt law man like ross would have hundreds of people who'd want revenge on him, and lastly its still the biggening of the 20th century people could disappear much easier back then, I could easily see jack selling his family ranch/the land and either live as a drifter or move to California or maybe a nice holiday to Tahiti
Well it could depend on what honor John is. If John is low honor then everyone loves Ross and sees him a hero but if John is high honor then everyone finds out how corrupted Ross is and despite of how news articles makes him look like a hero, Public hates him for killing John who helped America for going after Bill, Dutch and Javier and killing alot of gangs.
It'd be cool to get a GTA game set in 1993 after the events of GTA SA, and showing Jack as a cameo settled down as a successful old man with many stories to tell.Also, we need RDR3 to tie off Jack's story.
Honestly I don't rlly think we'll get a red dead game that takes place after 1914 cuz that's just pushing it at this point. The wild west is long dead after 1914, and that's what Red Dead is about; the wild west. I'd much prefer a prequel to RDR2, than a sequel to RDR1
I remember hearing that you can find John's hat in a dumpster in L.A Noire so maybe he was actually a writer who moved to California and tried to forget about his past
Him being a writer would be a good idea, cause when ya think about it, the entire Red Dead series (other than Revolver) is written by Jack. What we see in Red Dead might not be considerably accurate since he was rarely around with the gang when heists were being pulled, but he probably read Arthur's journal, heard some stories from the gang and his dad, and made it as close to accurate as he can with his stories.
what kind of a story it's 1914 great war is about to explode US is expanding with civilization in a very fast peace time for outlaws and cowboys is over
I think he became an outlaw and died young, it makes the most sense. All Arthur, John, and Abigail wanted was Jack to grow up with a better life than they had but the tragic cycle must continue. Similar to how Arthur wouldn't have wanted John to kill Micah, John wouldn't have wanted Jack to kill Ross and become an outlaw. But John DID kill Micah leading Agent Ross to track John down, sealing the fate of the Marston family and setting his son down the exact path he never wanted him to go down. Revenge. Either way I think Rockstar wanted us have our own head canon with Jack's ending.
What if Jack wrote a book at the near end of his life displaying what we knew about the once van der linde gang, sharing his own memories of characters like Dutch and his fathers and Uncles stories about Arthur, Hosea, etc, and how Jack tries to find out more about his past as a child.
I think jack going on to live as a writer is best for him since the outlaw life was something that his family never wanted for him, he already witnessed his family/ gang die because of it, and even after killing ross he looks at his gun and realizes he's about to become the very last thing his family wanted him to be, so him writing stories about the van der lin gang on a book puts a perfect conclusion to his life
I personally want to get the people who created the character to talk about this, see how they feel about the character- and what they would’ve done if it was allowed to continue Jack’s story longer. I know it sounds well impossible or rather uninteresting because theorizing is fun, however it would be neat to have a chat with the ones who wrote everything.
The fact that you used the song alone and forsaken by Hank Williams is such a great detail because Jack is alone and he was forsaken so I enjoy the little Easter egg
That last theory is so dark and very possible. Surprised this is my first time hearing about it. I only theorized the first 2 on my own but never considered the 3rd
i like to think that Jack's Outcome is different to each player, due to us controlling his actions, thus we lead him down whichever path we chose for him. my Jack was always, regardless of how i played John, be it with High Honor, or Low Honor, a good man with High Honor. i wanted Jack to be able to do the things his father could not from a young age, making a name for himself that brought hope to whoever met him who was in need.
I picture Jack Marston much like Tristan (Brad Pitt) from the movie Legends of the Fall. A troubled man that endures a lot of loss and heartache in life but still ends up living a long life. I like to think that Jack, needing to leave the area after killing Ross enlisted in the Army and fought in WWI. He's already a skilled horseman, marksman, and survivalist which are valuable skills especially in that time. I think Jack returns home after the war and bangs around doing this or that, hunting, trapping or possibly trying to rebuild his father's ranch at Beecher's Hope but eventually falls into Prohibition era moonshine and bootlegging building his own criminal empire to rival gangsters in the east like Al Capone. He would probably end up at war with the Italian mob at some point. Could make for another fun game even though it's too modern to be a true western.
I think an interesting thing is that you could combine all of the major theories into one, where after he kills Ross he tries to kill himself, but fails to do it for some reason, and then ww1 starts and he is enlisted, hitting the hardest times of his life that he has been through, but during the war he finds friends and hope, reasons to live, then he’s discharged because of something like an injury, returning home with a new perspective, becoming a rancher and writer, writing about the uprising and downfall of the gang as well as his life.
I never really noticed how much detail they put into the body language of all the characters in camp like Abigail and jack shown at the start of the video but now I see how good it looks with that cinematography man I wish we had more of it and bigger interactions
Originally, back in 2018, when I heard rdr2 was coming out, I thought it was going to continue Jack's story, but instead, we got a great story about a wonderful man named Arthur. ❤ If Rock Star ever decides to make rdr3, I hope it will continue Jack's story. I just hope they don't kill him off because Rock Star always seems to enjoy taking out the best characters.
Rdr3 should be about someone else. Maybe a war veteran during civil war who became an outlaw for 10-12 years after war and his redemption. He doesn't have to die he can be a lawman for a town if he has high honor but he'll die if he has low honor?
Imagining Jack becoming a run-and-gun revolutionary like Che definitely brings a smile to my face. Especially when you consider Dutch's philosophy up until chapter 3 of RDR2, I think Jack had very revolutionary ideals instilled in him at a young age--not just antiestablishment but really anti-capitalist and highly judgemental of colonialism. I think the gang lifestyle he was brought up in showed him the power of comradery and family.
In the year 1970 jack has been diagnosed with a terminal illness, he meets a man who claims to be a time traveler from 2032, jack wanted to see his father one last time before he passed away, he asked the man to send him back to the year 1911, he changed his name to Landon Rickets.
Crazy to imagine he lived till the 90s he went from living in horse and cart era of humanity to the era of the Concorde flying across the world within a few hours
I like to think that Jack does fight in the Mexican Revolution. I think he would’ve joined Pancho Villa’s army as a gun for hire as it was common for all revolutionary factions during the war.
Considering how he yells at his horse constantly, yet in the RDR2 epilogue he mentions how he loves horses, I think he's so far gone by the end of RDR1 that he wouldn't come out of it. I think he may have fought in the Mexican Revolution, and probably just stayed there, living out his life on the run, basically. And he may have even turned into a hermit, living in a cave or in the desert by himself, and probably died young. He may have drank himself to death at some point, too.
They should so we can get more story with him and watch him develop more as he gets older as he is the last of the Marston family maybe he will find a girl he likes and settle down since he is known to flirt with women in red dead redemption 1 epilogue on some missions, there’s alot you could do with Jack Marston even making a zombie invasion canon to that game at some point maybe as epilogue story with Jack going against the undead, I know the undead nightmare in red dead redemption 1 isn’t canon but a new fresh story tied to 3 could work with a choice thing depending on which choice you take like do you blow up the shrine after returning the mask and getting away or do you do what John did and allow someone to steal the mask, I personally think it would be a good choice to blow up the shrine if you chose to end the zombies once and for all after you have done everything for it
@@justice_of_RUclips I think he would most likely disobey orders repeatedly due to being asked to do awful things in war by the government who killed his family
the gta Easter egg of his book Red Dead is cannon, for WW1 its either he wouldn't have joined but would've had to leave the US and go to Mexico...or he either would've been drafted or volunteered to go as the war escalates and maybe that's where he starts to write Red Dead; in the trenches of a ww1 battlefield stationed for months Edit: maybe given Edgar Ross's wife and brother saw Jack before the duel and Edgar's brother would've maybe heard the gunshots and put two and two together to figure out Jack killed Edgar once he found his body later on so given they all saw him before he kills Ross that's enough evidence to have the authorities put a bounty on Jack especially cuz his mom and dad were outlaws and known criminals. Jack gets caught eventually for the murder of Edgar Ross as WW1 is starting, he goes to jail for a bit, WW1 escalates more and the US is totally involved, he makes a plea deal with the gov to send him to war to gain his freedom if he survives, he writes "Red Dead" in a long drawn out trench warfare battle and then either dies by a bayonet to the face (low honor) or survives, gains his freedom, publishes the book, makes a small fortune, marries, retires, dies very old, quiet, and happy with lots of family (high honor)
I always saw jack following in the footsteps of john, arthur, dutch, and the other influences in his life. I always believed that the overarching theme of the red dead series wasn't just redemption, it's about the cyclical nature of violence and how monsters create monsters. Arthur and John began their redemption archs but still had to pay the ultimate price as a result of murdering and stealing. In the end, the pain and suffering caused by one another perpetuates the cycle, ross probably has family, maybe another son gets his revenge on jack....and the cycle repeats.
I really do hope they make RDR3 about jack and maybe like they could do like a godfather 2 type of thing, where they dive into The gangs origins, like how you could play as a young Arthur, John and Dutch.
Back in like 2020 I saw a theory about how Jack would end up not fighting in the mexican Revolution like everyone would think but instead going to centeral America and fighting the US sponsored banana companies that raised militias and took over the region really quickly, with him either then dying fighting the Americans there, or then fleeing further south to South America and dealing with the chaos going on in Brazil. Idk ab the last part but idk why he’d fight in the Mexican Revolution, he has no reason to, but he does have a reason to fight American militias in centeral America so I believe that.
Actually makes me sad walking through camp in rdr2 knowing the entire red dead story line and walking past lil jack knowing his life if going to have an immeasurable amount of pain. 😢😢
Rockstar might do dark storylines, but I don't think they would ever write one of their characters committing suicide. That's just far too dark to even joke about
In Jack's room there's a desk with some things used for writing on it (pen, paper etc) So yeah. Most likely writer as he would have at least kept a diary or journal like his uncle Arthur. The GTAV "easter egg" was there because RDR1 was being developed at the same time as GTAV. People forget that RDR1 was not planned to be a massive project for the team, their primary focus of development was on the GTA series and any other game that isn't the GTA franchise is just used as a stop-gap between huge releases. They didn't expect it would be as big as it was.
True. It explains why GTA 5 has a lot of references and easter eggs to Red Dead Redemption. And then Red Dead Redemption 2 included a bunch of complex secrets implemented in GTA 5, and if you pay attention, the easter eggs in RDR1 are much more simpler than GTA 5's.
I believe Jack made a book aswell because we can see through rdr2 that John and Arthur like to write in diary’s to document their journeys through America
I quite like the idea that he goes on to become a 1910’s - 1920’s mob boss. It still allows him to write the book as he can do that as a hobby. It also means a game can be made focusing on his rise without feeling too out of place timeline wise.
I think the suicide theory and writer theory go hand in hand. Jack could've easily fallen into a downward spiral of pain and trauma, almost ending his own life, only to be saved or he hesitates, trying to turn his life around and live the life his father wanted for him. It'd take him years, as expected, but when he's mostly gotten himself together he goes back to a passion he loved as a child: Reading, soon becoming a writer of a bestselling book.
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Agreed
It’s crazy to think about him living until the 1990s! Going from the Wild West through the different decades must have been insane for any real life person who actually did live that long after being born in the late 1800s!
Jack theoretically could've lived long enough to play RDR on a XB360 since the oldest man is 116 years old.
@@ponraul1221 the oldest person to ever live was 122
@@tylerhunt8425he said oldest man
Average people passed away (of old age) at 80s
He would be 95 in 1990
I do like the idea of Jack becoming a writer. It would be a way for him to keep the memory of his father John, and his uncle Arthur, alive. In the turn of the century there was a demand for stories about the American West, especially by authors with some level of legitimacy, so there'd be plenty of people willing to read his story and Jack could live off the proceeds.
Jack goes to ww1, becomes j.r.r tolkien, writes lord of the rings
@@Hongobogologomo or he goes to WW1 meets Tolkien and becomes friends and is inspired to write Red Dead because of him
Jack definitely wrote the story of Red Dead Revolver
Well there is a good chance he becomes a writer in the epilogue he usually has a book in his hands or is talking about books, also in GTA V in franklins house you find a book called “red dead” written back J. Marston
It was actually hinted that he did became a writer because a book called Red Dead can be seen in a GTA game (forgot which one) and the authors name is J.Marston hence Jack Marston.
Something folks tend to look over is that in RDR1, when edgar ross is killed one guy at a campfire will mention how edgar ross seemingly was killed by a random bandit, so it seems nobody really knows it was jack, and the people who could recognize him don't have a name to place on him.
Yeah, it's often also forgotten that he was killed not in the US, but in Mexico, at the time a seemingly more lawless country. At the same time Ross was far away from any witnesses. One could make the connection that Jack killed Ross, but only if they knew who Jack was. It would be hard to make that connection, but it would still be possible. It would require the family of Ross being able to recognize Jack for him to be unveiled as Jack Marston, son of the legendary outlaw Edgar Ross killed.
@@johnbishop9621 Unless if you kill their family which I did the first time I did the epilogue
@@johnbishop9621 he also technically killed edgar ross legally, due to them having a duel. he didn't just go up to shoot edgar, they both drew on eachother while dueling
Don’t forget he was in black water asking around about him too, he literally spoke to another agent about him who gave him Ross’s whereabouts, which lead him to only his wife, which then lead him to Mexico to Ross. The last person who saw Ross alive was his wife, right before someone asked where he was to be found. I’d bet he got caught later on unless he never came back home from Mexico.
@Keith Hummel there's a face but there's no name.
Personally, I think it's a combination of theses theories.
I think after killing Ross, Jack wandered, fighting in the Mexican Revolution and eventually leaving. He then went to the US, collected the story of all the surviving gang members and publishing the story of the Van Der Lin gang, and that's the story we are playing. The games are the story. After writing the stories, Jack goes back to his ranch, and lives out all of his days, eventually dying in the late 1900's.
Maybe also as an old man he talks to some young men at a bar in the 1980s about being a lonesome drifter in the old west and it gives them the inspiration to create the Wasteland game and eventually Fallout 👀
late 1900s?? boy survived 2 ww, saw the first aeroplanes, saw man get put on the moon and saw beauty and the beast, thats one hell of a life
And then Rockstar finds that story and make a game out of it
Plus Undead Nightmare, based off a dream his dad mentioned over dinner that one time
@@skeletonbuyingpealts7134 "I had a nightmare, Jack."
"Sweet, i can use that for a book."
Jack didn’t commit suicide. In the credits song “Deadman’s gun” (which is basically Jacks thoughts) it says “and you’re not gonna let ‘em take your will to live because they’ve taken enough”
Living out of spite, based
@@skeletonbuyingpealts7134 yeah but ya always gotta find a reason to live cus you never know. Eventually he would become a successful author, so safe to assume the last cowboy was able to find a place in a world opposite of what he grew up with afterall
@@sayanorasonic I headcanon him walking the earth, writing and helping people all along the way
@charleshastings7260 Agreed
Jack is gone back to ranching and writing a book. He took his anger and revenge on Ross, Sure he's still angry and depressed but he doesn't wanna give up on living now.
I thought the whole point of being able to play as Jack after killing Ross was to decide how his story ends. You can wander the map, helping strangers and doing jobs, or you can be a criminal. I always thought Jack’s outcome was up to the player 🤷♂️
well, like story wise what happens to him its not like he is gonna live the rest of his life doing random tasks
If you even saved any side missions for him other than that you can just be bored and kill everything ending
I believe Jack in actuality he probably would go the low honor route.
Well he kills an ex government agent so either way he is a criminal
@@karmitdafruge1 Well in the Wild West that wouldn’t matter too much. Pat Garrett, the guy who killed Billy the Kid, was an outlaw before he turned into a Sheriff. In fact a lot of Western lawmen started out as criminals and whatnot. It wouldn’t be unrealistic for Jack to make that change as well considering the time period.
Jack could be traveling, trying to find the Sadie, Charles, Swanson, Pearson, Mary and Tilly trying to piece together the rise and fall of the Van der lin gang, know more about Dutch, Hosea, and Arthur and know more of John. The story could be also involve the suicide theory, but he's just thinking of it while on his journey. Maybe he could find someone that gives him a reason to not blow his brains out and become a writer. Just like how Arthur redemption was helping people get second chance and John redemption was sacrificing time for his family. Jack's could be cherishing life again and remind himself that John never wanted Jack to be like him.
or niga
@@juanjuanjuan6424 haha
But if John didn't kill bill, Javier, and Dutch and if they federal government sons of bitches didn't kill John. The van der linde gang would be formed again
Bruh
I doubt that, he never seemed to close to the gang outside of uncle, John and Abigail I’m not saying he didn’t like them but he didn’t look all to attached to them either. Sadie and Charles are the people he’d be closest with and I still don’t think he cares enough about them to travel the world looking for them that’s not to say he doesn’t care about them at all I like to image that whenever he thinks about them that he hopes where they are that they’re happy and content in life but not much else aside form that. And for the rest I don’t think he even remembers anyone else form the gang life, hell he struggled to remember Arthur of all people what are the odds that he’d remember the camp cook or someone like Tilly Jackson?
For me I’d like to think that despite jacks depression and suicidal attitude when it comes to fighting that he eventually managed to hold on to his strength and pull himself out of the hole he’s in. And after that I like to image that he finds a wife for himself so that he isn’t so lonely anymore, if he manages to do that then I think he’ll be fine
i love how arthur gave john his hat, and when john passed it went to jack. these two rdr games are one of a kind and we are blessed to be able to experience these games in our life
John probably had Arthur’s hat somewhere in his house but Jack doesn’t wear it so he doesn’t exactly pass it down
Should play Red Dead: Revolver. It's a bit dated but it's still a fantastic game on the PS2.
That’s not the same hat 😂 John has 3 hats he has his old gambler hat, Arthur’s hat, and his new cowboy hat which is the signature one he wears in the first game. His cowboy hat passed down to Jack, it’s unknown where Arthur’s and Johns old gambler hat are during the first game but it can be assumed its just chilling in his house somewhere
Jack has johns hat, john didn’t have arthurs hat, im sorry bro, but i get you thinking that
John did have Arthurs hat in rdr2
@@Hamburger-re3fw
I'd go with the theory that Jack becomes an Author, writes the whole RDR story down. Writing can also be therapeutic and a way for him to compensate his trauma. And maybe he, like Charles, eventually goes to Canada. Maybe even meets up with Charles, which would propably be a good thing. Far away from everything he might be able to really live a life, Arthur and his parents alwayse wished for him. I think everyone would like to have some kind of "happy end" for the kid, since he's been through it.
How would charles and jack recognize each other, it's been years
@@justice_of_RUclips Not that many years, when he's around 20 at the end of RDR. Jack was already a teenager when Charles left, so it can't be more than 5 to 7 years maybe. Unlike Jack, Charles probably has not changed that much, so Jack should be able to recognize Charles no problem, even if it might take Charles a moment and a second look.
And this could lead to a game company making a video game series about the Van Der Linde gang in the red dead universe
@@justice_of_RUclips maybe Arthur/John's journal
It would makes sense he is the in universe author of all RDR games TBH
I just gotta say that intro showing jacks childhood and him growing up is an absolute masterpiece.
Really do hope RDR3 is about Jack Marston, and even though he wouldn’t voluntarily decide to fight in WW1, I think it would be awesome if there was a Guarma-like chapter where he somehow gets caught up in it, and has to fight his way home. Something about combining the chaos of WW1 with RDR mechanics is something I’ve wanted since 2011.
The fact you even think about RDR3 shows you really didn't pay attention to the story.
@@ocdc3261 Exactly. It would be called Red Dead 0.5 or 0 or something cuz its not going back in time :)
@@ocdc3261 the fact you even stomp on someone's own thoughts with a weak comment like that is hilarious
@@james_fisch RDR is over 😂 cry more, it's a perfect story and to disservice it in the name of appealing to someone's need to live in pretend land 2.0 is selfish to say the least.
Go make some more content for the geriatric people on RUclips lol
That wouldn't be about outlaws and gunslingers anymore, but modernized war. Rdr is about western gunslingers
"Looks like I'll be joining my pa in hell"
Such a badass but also sad line
Literally just read this as I heard this.
@@easthustler3937SAME WTF
Jack killing Ross and become an outlaw is one of the biggest tragedies in the red dead storyline. The very thing his mother and father didn’t want. “Over my dead body”
I believe we’re the exact words.
It’s unclear whether he becomes an outlaw after killing Ross
@@3n3j0t4 or he was already an outlaw before killing ross
@@3n3j0t4
I believe the moment he killed a retired High-Ranking Goverment Official he signed his fate as an outlaw. He was the last-known person looking for him, his face is known, and he did shout his name. But hey I might be wrong
One of the theories I’ve personally came up with on what happened to Jack is that he becomes the new version of Landon Ricketts. He is basically the last of a generation of gunslingers that no longer fit in an ever evolving society which is probably why he spends his time in Mexico and the Ranch. I can actually see him being apart of another Mexican Revolution just being another gun for hire
I like this. I don't see Jack settling down to live a peaceful life. I think the moment he shot Ross he resigned himself to living and dying by the gun.
I can't see Jack having a book published while he's still alive - I can't see him wanting to be famous. But maybe somebody gets a hold of his writings and publishes them posthumously?
@@rdrrrmaybe his book was written by a friend who listened to his stories during the war and was published under his name to pay respects to him. something similar to arthur meeting the writer who's writing about gunslingers.
@@PeptoAbismol I don't think Jack fights in the Great War. He's not gonna volunteer to fight and die for the government and good luck drafting an armed and angry man with no fixed address.
I can see Jack working as a gun-for-hire in Mexico - it was very unstable at that point in time, lots of work for someone with Jack's skillset. Jack could write about his experiences there, for sure.
he fought in ww1 then wrote a book called Red Dead Redemption, chronicling the events of both games
That would be nice. I'd always picture him as the last remaining vanderlinde member
Dead-eying germans
it was just called "RED DEAD"
I also like to think he became a mafia/mob boss during the prohibition era and led the biggest mafia in the Southwest
he did not go into WW1
Why would he work for the army the army and the government killed his family
That would make 0 sense
I think that the book *'Red Dead'* is what Jack had compiled together from everything that was written in Arthur's/John's journal...along with some old scraps of information that he found in John's room: i.e. newspaper article clippings, photos, etcetera in addition to some of Jack's memories about all the other members of the Van der Linde Gang.
So the book is what Jack used to chronicle the history of the Van der Linde Gang...and, in a way, immortalize them, especially his *'Uncle Arthur'* and his father in history as legendary outlaw gunslingers of the Old American Wild West on the same level as Red Harlow, Landon Ricketts, and Otis Miller: i.e. the Legend of the East (Arthur), and the Legend of the West (John).
I believe that *'Red Dead'* is the autobiography of Arthur's, John's, and Jack's lives...and the games are us playing through their historically recorded lives.
I believe, no matter what, that all of Rockstar Games'...well, games, are all in a shared continuity universe. It makes it more enjoyable that all of those amazing games can, somehow, be together.
I would love to see a remake of Red Dead: Revolver and have it flesh out Red's character. That game was limited so much by the hardware at the time.
@@Nightshade31401 its what red dead redemption 3 should be honestly. Red in the true wild west era
@@LeWubWub Rdr3 should be about someone else. Maybe a war veteran during civil war who became an outlaw for 10-12 years after war and his redemption?
Red Dead Revolver remake would be amazing. Or at least an adaptation of those events to canonize them to the Redemption timeline. Maybe we could see young Dutch and Arthur as side missions
That’s exactly my theory too. Cool to see someone sees it the same way
Like Dutch van der Linde once said: "Revenge is a fool's game." It has only brought bad consequences to John Marston after RDR2, that's the whole point of redemption in the series. Jack Marston was most likely arrested at some point for the *census subscription cancellation* of a high-ranking government agent. You don't get to live a bad life and get good things in exchange.
Edit: Thanks for the shout out and although I do this for nothing in return, I'm still grateful.
didnt arthur say revenge is a fools game and not dutch?
"Census subscription cancellation"
Pretty creative
But just say he killedthe man
@@WiIlianRR pretty sure it's a philosophy Dutch taught to Arthur at a young age, I think Arthur says something along the lines of "well you always said revenge is a fool's game" when they go to watch Colm hang
@@WiIlianRR Dutch: Revenge is a luxury that we cannot afford
Also Dutch: WE NEED MORREE NOOISEEEE
@@hattrik4808 Arthur learned that from Dutch.
Jack is my favorite character in the series. He’s the character that’s the embodiment of the themes of both Redemption games. Bravo on the video, lads.
Yuck
this video made realize just how much stuff Jack has been through, all the things he has seen and more, you guys earned a subscriber and a like!
We truly need an ending for Jack's story in the next game.
A lot of people want another prequel that explains the Blackwater massacre, but i have always hated that idea, Jack is the one that has suffered the most thanks to the Van Der Linde gang trough his life, from start to end his life has been nothing but tragedy, tragedy caused by those who surrounded him, a kid born in a world full of violence.
The only reasonable ending for this trilogy is if we finally get to see at least one person, one protagonist of the Red Dead Redemption saga finally end this cycle of violence and blood and get the ending he deserves.
well sadly we probably aren’t getting another red dead game
The beauty of it is Jacks ending is completely up to the player. He killed his fathers killer and then whatever happens afterwards is for you to decide. The wild west is pretty much dead past 1910 and there isn't much they can really do story wise. If anything, I think they should go back and remake/retell the story of the original Red Dead: Revolver with Red Harlow.
I will say there is certain spectacles of the wild west which continued on past 1910 for a little while like the mountain men or the stuff in the Northern Frontier otherwise I mostly agree
But uh uhhhhmmmm no we dont cuz uhmmmm no cowboys and muh wild west ded
Red Dead 3 is confirmed
It's crazy thinking of Jack living in the 70's
Trippin mad cowboy balls
Why? He was born in 1895, so would be 75 in 1970. So entirely possible.
@@JohnBarnes0210 people born in 1895 didn’t often live to 75 bud
@@aaronsavage8018 Not often, no. But some have lived beyond triple digits...
@@JohnBarnes0210 and at that time, it was crazy lol
As soon as you said "the suicide theory" I got chills. I never considered that possibility but its definitely really dark and is devastating to imagine him ending up going that route
If you manage to get Jack’s honor low enough after the end of RDR1, he’ll say “I have nothing to live for anyway!”, when fighting enemies.
I'd like to think Jack ended up living a life like Ernest Hemingway without the whole suicide bit. After killing Ross he would travel around the United States getting into the occasional drunken brawl and maybe do a bit of good. One day like a stroke of lighting he decides if he's gonna keep on living and not end it all he might as well do something with his life. He becomes a fiction/ biographical writer and journalist and exposes the corruption of the US government. Instead of carrying out vigilante justice as his father before he trying to turn his life around and bring justice to the corrupt politicians. I could see Jack turning some of his actual life experiences like being kidnapped by Angelo Bronte and turning it into a more light hearted children's book.
"And then mafia crime lord, Angelo Bronte, ordered the annihilation of an entire precinct..."
Then the book shows a massacre but without red blood, rainbows instead.
I like to imagine Jack, after killing Ross, had his need for revenge satiated and retired his gunslinger lifestyle and looked for something to live for. That being writing and making a family of his own.
Can I just say that intro was absolutely spine chilling and extremely high quality, genuinely one of the best I've seen in some time could easily be a recap to a Jack Marston DLC
00:01this should be the trailer for red dead redemption three
agreed
I think there might be a combination of both the Freedom Fighter and Writer Theories, with shades of the Suicide Theory sprinkled in. Jack's story would be an epilogue set either immediately or a few years after the events of RDR1. After Edgar Ross's death, Jack avoids the Bureau of Investigations and goes into hiding in Mexico, where he might contemplate suicide after everything was seemingly said and done. At this time, Mexico is on the brink of revolution once more, this time against President Abraham Reyes. Reyes would possibly send for John, but would only find and offer Jack sanctuary in exchange for his aid in putting down the rebeldes. Reyes would believe that Jack is every bit the gunslinger John was.
Eventually, Jack would meet Sadie Adler again and possibly Luisa Fortuna's sister Miranda, both of whom are aiding the rebels. Sadie would be understanding of Jack's pain, as she was in Jack's shoes many years ago, but would still be very disappointed in Jack becoming an outlaw, a lifestyle Arthur, John, and Abigail never wanted for him. Sadie would proceed to help him get back on the right path and help the young man gind a reason for living, with Jack eventually defecting to the rebels. There may be some conversations between Jack and Miranda, and a bond would be formed due to them losing family members at the hands of their respective governments and having their loved ones be manipulated by people they thought had their best interests at heart (Dutch manipulating Arthur, John, and Abigail for Jack and Reyes manipulating Luisa for Miranda).
The epilogue would end with Reyes overthrown and executed, Sadie possibly dying during the fighting, and Jack achieving his own redemption, with him possibly gaining a pardon from the US government (possibly from working with them or fulfilling some objective without his knowledge during a mission in Mexico [maybe have Reyes consider agreeing to the Zimmerman telegram or something idk]) and returning to the US to bury Sadie back at her old home and finally to Beecher's Hope to live the life that his family and so many people had sacrificed so much to give him. He would later write a book about the Van Der Linde gang, utilizing both the accounts from both the surviving gang members (Charles, Tilly, Mary-Beth, Pearson, Swanson, and possibly Trelawny) and the strangers both Arthur and John met during their journeys, as well as using the journals of Arthur and John as further inspiration for writing his book. This would result in possibly showing the world the good Samaritan his father had been after leaving the outlaw life, an image that would have been ruined by Edgar Ross until now, and immortalizing both John Marston and Arthur Morgan into the annals of American legend.
This was super interesting! Thank you for writing this. It's a very interesting approach towards this topic.
this brings a nice resolution for it all! including parts from both games, love it
@jjacobroe2291 I felt that if Jack's story was to continue in the RDR series, then it must act as a bookend to the series as a whole. I've also considered the possibility of Mac Callender being the main protagonist for RDR3 and Jack being the epilogue protagonist, with both of their stories being almost of equal length. I recommend checking out BOOFIRE191'S video on RDR's next protagonist for further details.
Also, regarding my thoughts on a bond between Jack and Miranda, I felt that they would have common ground, with losing their loved ones by the hands of the government and having their loved ones be manipulated by those who claimed to have their best interests at heart (Dutch raising Arthur and John to cement their loyalty to him; Reyes seducing Luisa to ensure her loyalty). The only difference between Dutch and Reyes was that the latter was honest to John with what he was doing. But I'm getting off topic.
I feel that the foundation is in place for a genuine bond between Jack and Miranda, one that Sadie might encourage to help get Jack back on the right path, whether it be a friendship or a romance or a development from the former to the latter. The things that might hold it back is the fact that Miranda is currently a flat character with little to no character development, coming and going after one mission.
One problem is that Jack doesn’t need redemption, unlike Arthur and John he’s been a victim his whole life and him killing Ross was justice, not murder. There’s even npc campfire dialogue where people say Ross got killed by Banditos, so Jack has no reason to be in hiding nor does he have anything to “redeem”. Also, Reyes wouldn’t even remember John he was a terrible person and even John didn’t like him but had no choice but to work with him after Allende and De Santa betrayed him
@@josephstalin2606 Sorry for the late reply, I was getting everything ready for my Fall semester in college.
You do bring up good points, but there may be a scenario where Jack has no choice but to go to Mexico to escape justice, since Jack asked BOI agent Howard Sawicki and both Edgar Ross' wife and brother about Ross' whereabouts.
This would lead to an encounter with President Reyes during the next Mexican Revolution, as he would need someone with John's skills to defeat the rebels.
In this scenario, this would inevitably lead to his reunion with Sadie Adler, who would be aiding the rebels alongside Miranda Fortuna.
Sadie would express disappointment with Jack for choosing the life of an outlaw, which was a fate Arthur, John, and Abigail never wanted for him, saying something along the lines of "Your parents and Arthur would be so ashamed of you."
His need for redemption may not come from atoning for Ross' murder (as you said, that was justice for the wrongs he committed against the Marston family), but by moving on from his pain and trying to turn his life around and live the life his parents and Arthur sacrificed so much for him to have while he still can.
He would get the aid of Sadie, who would be for Jack similar to what Landon Ricketts was for John during his time in Nuevo Paraiso.
Jack is one of my favourite characters in the game despite having such little role in the end of the game. The way he rides his horse (he nearly rides them to death), to his calm demeanor and articulate speech, is like a polar opposite to his blood thirsty and psychotic nature. It's such a good blend of contrast that you can't help but wonder what he'll do next. You know he isn't anyone to be messed with, but can be so polite towards people like the elderly. His antagonize option for females however are pretty disturbing.
What? Nothing he says to women is particular terrible, especially considering the things he says to men.
@@threemar3 Depends on what morality you have. Infamy he says some pretty sexually frustrated things towards elderly women and young women alike.
@@All_Seeing_Knap if you play low honor he has to say some messed up shit, if not is pretty pointless
In my own opinion, when you think about it Jack unsubscribed the guy from life in the middle of nowhere, we don't now how long it will take someone to find the body or to identify it, even when they find and identify ross they have to link it to jack, plus a famous, successful, corrupt law man like ross would have hundreds of people who'd want revenge on him, and lastly its still the biggening of the 20th century people could disappear much easier back then, I could easily see jack selling his family ranch/the land and either live as a drifter or move to California or maybe a nice holiday to Tahiti
thats actually a pretty damn good way of looking at it
Well it could depend on what honor John is. If John is low honor then everyone loves Ross and sees him a hero but if John is high honor then everyone finds out how corrupted Ross is and despite of how news articles makes him look like a hero, Public hates him for killing John who helped America for going after Bill, Dutch and Javier and killing alot of gangs.
Ahh Tahiti doing what Dutch always dreamed of
It'd be cool to get a GTA game set in 1993 after the events of GTA SA, and showing Jack as a cameo settled down as a successful old man with many stories to tell.Also, we need RDR3 to tie off Jack's story.
Honestly I don't rlly think we'll get a red dead game that takes place after 1914 cuz that's just pushing it at this point. The wild west is long dead after 1914, and that's what Red Dead is about; the wild west. I'd much prefer a prequel to RDR2, than a sequel to RDR1
Jack should have been a cameo in LA noire
@@Rocketmanba04 R I C K E T T S
@@Bubbagaming90000 L.A noir would've made more sense since it's set in a real life place instead of a fake real place.
@@unoriginalperson72 la noir prequel with Jack as a cameo wanted person when lol
I remember hearing that you can find John's hat in a dumpster in L.A Noire so maybe he was actually a writer who moved to California and tried to forget about his past
I always believe that theory is true and la noire takes place in the same universe as rdr
That's an Easter egg
Always wondered what happend to the guy after RDR1
I'll tell you what happened he turned into a badass gun slinger
@@crystalinagracia9027 but the era of the gunslingers have come to an end
I would imagine he fought in WWI as a way to make die with his gunslinger skill
He went to WWI for sure, as he says: "Got nothin' better to do"
For the people saying he went into WW1 is wrong
Why would he work for the army the army and the government killed his family
That would make 0 sense
Him being a writer would be a good idea, cause when ya think about it, the entire Red Dead series (other than Revolver) is written by Jack. What we see in Red Dead might not be considerably accurate since he was rarely around with the gang when heists were being pulled, but he probably read Arthur's journal, heard some stories from the gang and his dad, and made it as close to accurate as he can with his stories.
If rockstar did it right, a rdr 3 where you play as Jack could be a damn good story.
what kind of a story
it's 1914 great war is about to explode
US is expanding with civilization in a very fast peace
time for outlaws and cowboys is over
I think he became an outlaw and died young, it makes the most sense. All Arthur, John, and Abigail wanted was Jack to grow up with a better life than they had but the tragic cycle must continue. Similar to how Arthur wouldn't have wanted John to kill Micah, John wouldn't have wanted Jack to kill Ross and become an outlaw. But John DID kill Micah leading Agent Ross to track John down, sealing the fate of the Marston family and setting his son down the exact path he never wanted him to go down. Revenge.
Either way I think Rockstar wanted us have our own head canon with Jack's ending.
I like how Dutch did everything with the crew to get jack back despite how it was all to his planning
The upbringing of Jack really makes you understand the psychotic low honer Jack or the suicidal high honer Jack in rdr1
0:45 man this scene reminds me so much of how Dutch was caring of the gang until he started going insane
What if Jack wrote a book at the near end of his life displaying what we knew about the once van der linde gang, sharing his own memories of characters like Dutch and his fathers and Uncles stories about Arthur, Hosea, etc, and how Jack tries to find out more about his past as a child.
He did
I think jack going on to live as a writer is best for him since the outlaw life was something that his family never wanted for him, he already witnessed his family/ gang die because of it, and even after killing ross he looks at his gun and realizes he's about to become the very last thing his family wanted him to be, so him writing stories about the van der lin gang on a book puts a perfect conclusion to his life
Just his recap had me emotional. That poor kid lived through so much.
I personally want to get the people who created the character to talk about this, see how they feel about the character- and what they would’ve done if it was allowed to continue Jack’s story longer.
I know it sounds well impossible or rather uninteresting because theorizing is fun, however it would be neat to have a chat with the ones who wrote everything.
BRO THAT INTRO/RECAP WAS AWE INSPIRING, FIRE, LIT, AMAZING I could go on brother
The fact that you used the song alone and forsaken by Hank Williams is such a great detail because Jack is alone and he was forsaken so I enjoy the little Easter egg
That last theory is so dark and very possible. Surprised this is my first time hearing about it. I only theorized the first 2 on my own but never considered the 3rd
Always believed he went on to become a writer.
i like to think that Jack's Outcome is different to each player, due to us controlling his actions, thus we lead him down whichever path we chose for him. my Jack was always, regardless of how i played John, be it with High Honor, or Low Honor, a good man with High Honor. i wanted Jack to be able to do the things his father could not from a young age, making a name for himself that brought hope to whoever met him who was in need.
Same can be said with Arthur but then you have people acting like only high honor Arthur is canon
Wow, this video really shed some light on Jack's mysterious fate after Red Dead Redemption! I had no idea he had such an interesting story
I picture Jack Marston much like Tristan (Brad Pitt) from the movie Legends of the Fall. A troubled man that endures a lot of loss and heartache in life but still ends up living a long life. I like to think that Jack, needing to leave the area after killing Ross enlisted in the Army and fought in WWI. He's already a skilled horseman, marksman, and survivalist which are valuable skills especially in that time. I think Jack returns home after the war and bangs around doing this or that, hunting, trapping or possibly trying to rebuild his father's ranch at Beecher's Hope but eventually falls into Prohibition era moonshine and bootlegging building his own criminal empire to rival gangsters in the east like Al Capone. He would probably end up at war with the Italian mob at some point. Could make for another fun game even though it's too modern to be a true western.
Wtf I expected this channel to be 100k+ subs.
Stay consistent and you will crack the algorithm.
Thank you so much 🙏🙏
I think an interesting thing is that you could combine all of the major theories into one, where after he kills Ross he tries to kill himself, but fails to do it for some reason, and then ww1 starts and he is enlisted, hitting the hardest times of his life that he has been through, but during the war he finds friends and hope, reasons to live, then he’s discharged because of something like an injury, returning home with a new perspective, becoming a rancher and writer, writing about the uprising and downfall of the gang as well as his life.
I never really noticed how much detail they put into the body language of all the characters in camp like Abigail and jack shown at the start of the video but now I see how good it looks with that cinematography man I wish we had more of it and bigger interactions
Jack goes on to write the RDR series that we get to enjoy in game form, he is the definitive main character of the series after all
I never truly realized that it was possible for Jack to live until the 90’s. The odds of it aren’t great, but it may be possible
How are you guys not big RUclipsrs yet?
.... cuz it's been less than 2 months?
we'll get there soon 😉
Originally, back in 2018, when I heard rdr2 was coming out, I thought it was going to continue Jack's story, but instead, we got a great story about a wonderful man named Arthur. ❤ If Rock Star ever decides to make rdr3, I hope it will continue Jack's story. I just hope they don't kill him off because Rock Star always seems to enjoy taking out the best characters.
It makes for a deeper story
Rdr3 should be about someone else. Maybe a war veteran during civil war who became an outlaw for 10-12 years after war and his redemption. He doesn't have to die he can be a lawman for a town if he has high honor but he'll die if he has low honor?
Imagining Jack becoming a run-and-gun revolutionary like Che definitely brings a smile to my face. Especially when you consider Dutch's philosophy up until chapter 3 of RDR2, I think Jack had very revolutionary ideals instilled in him at a young age--not just antiestablishment but really anti-capitalist and highly judgemental of colonialism. I think the gang lifestyle he was brought up in showed him the power of comradery and family.
I’ve always had a head canon that he robbed a plane at some point in his life. I’ve always liked it after his “metal angels” talk with John
Such an underrated channel. The video overall is really well made. Keep it up!
thank you so much!
@@zonkers. You're welcome :)
Really love the intro too btw. Also, you just earned a sub :)
It's kind of cool how Jack has Arthurs jacket at the end of the first game.
In the year 1970 jack has been diagnosed with a terminal illness, he meets a man who claims to be a time traveler from 2032, jack wanted to see his father one last time before he passed away, he asked the man to send him back to the year 1911, he changed his name to Landon Rickets.
Little Jackie crying at the start go me. Poor little boy, doesn't even know why he is sad, he just is
Thats why we need RD3
agreed.
Unfortunately it won’t come 😔
Crazy to imagine he lived till the 90s he went from living in horse and cart era of humanity to the era of the Concorde flying across the world within a few hours
He started grove street shortly after moving to los santos in the 70’s
I always imagine john going to WW1 and returning to become a book and pulp magazine writer.
I like to think that Jack does fight in the Mexican Revolution. I think he would’ve joined Pancho Villa’s army as a gun for hire as it was common for all revolutionary factions during the war.
If only agent Ross knew that little kid would be his demise.
Considering how he yells at his horse constantly, yet in the RDR2 epilogue he mentions how he loves horses, I think he's so far gone by the end of RDR1 that he wouldn't come out of it. I think he may have fought in the Mexican Revolution, and probably just stayed there, living out his life on the run, basically. And he may have even turned into a hermit, living in a cave or in the desert by himself, and probably died young. He may have drank himself to death at some point, too.
Jacks grandpa stories boutta be hella fun
I think if they were going to do a rdr 3 they should continue jacks story of redemption
They should so we can get more story with him and watch him develop more as he gets older as he is the last of the Marston family maybe he will find a girl he likes and settle down since he is known to flirt with women in red dead redemption 1 epilogue on some missions, there’s alot you could do with Jack Marston even making a zombie invasion canon to that game at some point maybe as epilogue story with Jack going against the undead, I know the undead nightmare in red dead redemption 1 isn’t canon but a new fresh story tied to 3 could work with a choice thing depending on which choice you take like do you blow up the shrine after returning the mask and getting away or do you do what John did and allow someone to steal the mask, I personally think it would be a good choice to blow up the shrine if you chose to end the zombies once and for all after you have done everything for it
This cannel is absolutely badass- keep up the great work.
I always imagined he would end up getting drafted into WWI and maybe dishonorably discharged
Why discharged?
@@justice_of_RUclips I think he would most likely disobey orders repeatedly due to being asked to do awful things in war by the government who killed his family
he did not go into WW1
Why would he work for the army the army and the government killed his family
That would make 0 sense
@@DeadX2 You realize people don't have a choice when they are DRAFTED right?
@@WeyounSix I'm just saying bro
i dont care what anyone says, i want to play as jack in red dead 3. honestly he has the richest story of all the characters in the series
the gta Easter egg of his book Red Dead is cannon, for WW1 its either he wouldn't have joined but would've had to leave the US and go to Mexico...or he either would've been drafted or volunteered to go as the war escalates and maybe that's where he starts to write Red Dead; in the trenches of a ww1 battlefield stationed for months
Edit: maybe given Edgar Ross's wife and brother saw Jack before the duel and Edgar's brother would've maybe heard the gunshots and put two and two together to figure out Jack killed Edgar once he found his body later on so given they all saw him before he kills Ross that's enough evidence to have the authorities put a bounty on Jack especially cuz his mom and dad were outlaws and known criminals. Jack gets caught eventually for the murder of Edgar Ross as WW1 is starting, he goes to jail for a bit, WW1 escalates more and the US is totally involved, he makes a plea deal with the gov to send him to war to gain his freedom if he survives, he writes "Red Dead" in a long drawn out trench warfare battle and then either dies by a bayonet to the face (low honor) or survives, gains his freedom, publishes the book, makes a small fortune, marries, retires, dies very old, quiet, and happy with lots of family (high honor)
Harry Potter in GTA is canon too. You sometimes will see him flying in one of those bikes.
he did not go into WW1
Why would he work for the army the army and the government killed his family
That would make 0 sense
*Casually makes the coldest red dead edit ever*
I always saw jack following in the footsteps of john, arthur, dutch, and the other influences in his life. I always believed that the overarching theme of the red dead series wasn't just redemption, it's about the cyclical nature of violence and how monsters create monsters. Arthur and John began their redemption archs but still had to pay the ultimate price as a result of murdering and stealing. In the end, the pain and suffering caused by one another perpetuates the cycle, ross probably has family, maybe another son gets his revenge on jack....and the cycle repeats.
I really do hope they make RDR3 about jack and maybe like they could do like a godfather 2 type of thing, where they dive into The gangs origins, like how you could play as a young Arthur, John and Dutch.
WW1 that’s what happened
Nah jack wouldn't fight for something so stupid. He's already an outlaw so he'd have no problem dodging the draft
I like to think he moved to California and became a writer, there's even a book in GTA 5 titled "Red Dead" and with "J. Marston" on it as the author.
yoo Jack Marston's back story sounds like Arthur Morgan's back story maybe we might get a game where we play as Jack Marston
If anything, Jack Marston was the collective ghost of the gang members taking their revenge on the Pinkertons.
what is the name of song of the fist part about Jack Marston trajectory?
Back in like 2020 I saw a theory about how Jack would end up not fighting in the mexican Revolution like everyone would think but instead going to centeral America and fighting the US sponsored banana companies that raised militias and took over the region really quickly, with him either then dying fighting the Americans there, or then fleeing further south to South America and dealing with the chaos going on in Brazil. Idk ab the last part but idk why he’d fight in the Mexican Revolution, he has no reason to, but he does have a reason to fight American militias in centeral America so I believe that.
Actually makes me sad walking through camp in rdr2 knowing the entire red dead story line and walking past lil jack knowing his life if going to have an immeasurable amount of pain. 😢😢
Rockstar might do dark storylines, but I don't think they would ever write one of their characters committing suicide.
That's just far too dark to even joke about
Suicide is a "theme" that is already in the Red Dead saga.
In Jack's room there's a desk with some things used for writing on it (pen, paper etc)
So yeah. Most likely writer as he would have at least kept a diary or journal like his uncle Arthur.
The GTAV "easter egg" was there because RDR1 was being developed at the same time as GTAV. People forget that RDR1 was not planned to be a massive project for the team, their primary focus of development was on the GTA series and any other game that isn't the GTA franchise is just used as a stop-gap between huge releases. They didn't expect it would be as big as it was.
True. It explains why GTA 5 has a lot of references and easter eggs to Red Dead Redemption. And then Red Dead Redemption 2 included a bunch of complex secrets implemented in GTA 5, and if you pay attention, the easter eggs in RDR1 are much more simpler than GTA 5's.
Idk if I ever seen a perfect intro to capture RED DEaD
This is it right here
I think possibly jack would a 1930s mobster during great depression era
I believe Jack made a book aswell because we can see through rdr2 that John and Arthur like to write in diary’s to document their journeys through America
After Jack killed Edger Ross, he went back to his farm
That intro was so badass, amazing job man 👏🏼
It’s easy. He either became a honest bounty hunter like his dad or a renowned book writer if he ever chose to become one
I quite like the idea that he goes on to become a 1910’s - 1920’s mob boss. It still allows him to write the book as he can do that as a hobby. It also means a game can be made focusing on his rise without feeling too out of place timeline wise.
The Hank Williams TLOU intro was great! Love this video
My Jack is chilling in Armadillo with the occasional hunting trips in tall trees
"Blame my parents, I do!"
Wow... that one hit me for some reason
I think the suicide theory and writer theory go hand in hand. Jack could've easily fallen into a downward spiral of pain and trauma, almost ending his own life, only to be saved or he hesitates, trying to turn his life around and live the life his father wanted for him. It'd take him years, as expected, but when he's mostly gotten himself together he goes back to a passion he loved as a child: Reading, soon becoming a writer of a bestselling book.
I'd like to see the next Red Dead to be Jack and his sons running moonshine through SW Virginia and the Blue Ridge Mountains.
I always felt a prohibition style game would be good for RDR3