They throw hundreds of hints at RDR3 being a prequel, they can't leave us hanging. The reason why Arthur wasn't in Blackwater and why Dutch is so vague about it is pretty obvious. It's so that we play as both Davey and Mac Callander and learn what happened there. It's clear that the game is gonna be a prequel, and if that's the case, the main character/s have to be people who actually know what happenned there (Micah, Dutch and the Callander brothers)
We play as Gavin. Start in England and live a life of crime, along the way he befriends a man named Nigel. And then when they come to america they try to change their ways but nigel can never truly put his past behind one day Gavin decides to leave him and change his name. His name is now Josiah Trelawny
You could do a game set in the peak of the wild west around the 1870s or 80s with a ex-outlaw slowly gaining redemption by becoming a trusted law enforcer or like a town deputy or sheriff, it’s most certainly not the best but it’s an idea at least. It’d keep the theme of redemption and have a new character we know nothing about.
I do a lot like this idea trying to redeem themselves as a law giver but members from his gangs past trying to get him back into that life. Could be some good drama bringing his law to his once so called friends.
@@CommanderSuberox yeah I’d love playing as a sheriff or a deputy who was once apart of a gang trying to get up in the ranks and redeeming himself by gaining the sheriffs trust until they become something of a Wyatt Earp and Doc Holiday friendship.
@@MaryHarper-x6ryes that’s what a lot of people think rdr3 would be about is the events leading up to the gang and then the final mission would probably be the black water gone wrong
An important point is missing from the video. The lead writer of Red Dead Redemption I & II, and co-owner of Rockstar Games, left the company a few years ago. He was the visionary behind the story of Red Dead Redemption. We see from Blizzard how stories end when the creative minds leave.
Dan is working on a New open world game. Sucks as Red Dead and Bully are really the games he liked the most. He seemed to not have much interest in GTA6.
They lost a ton of programers and Leslie and hired some woke blue haired weirdo to replace the it’s over for rockstar lol rdr2 was the last great… even the online was horrible wait until you see what’s next.
Who cares? Even with him still on board there's nothing new for the series to do. They've already remade their themes from red dead 1 into Red Dead 2, would you go and do it a third time?
Red Dead Redemption 3 should be a survival game where you play as pearson and you must survive being stranded at sea for "50 day's" and at the end you unfortunately survive.
The Henry Repeater was invented in 1860. That’s 39 years before RDR2. You could do one set immediately after the civil war. Keep in mind The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly takes place during the civil war. Have it take place during a gold rush or while the rail road is pushing west. Still plenty of room to play around in
You could, but should we? I agree with Act that it's pretty cherry on top already. It would be cool for Rockstar to make a new IP, or even put some love into old ones.
@@Culturedtuna1 maybe not in the exact same series, but there’s still some room for them to work with the Wild West. All I’m saying is that it’s an idea that isn’t 100% dead on arrival
@SkyPilot-qx2sb John: Jack, I was never here, Jack. You need you need to wake up and let go Jack: dad, I don't want to lose you again John: I'm sorry, I did it for you, you know that
A good example to understand Act Man's point of a story/information to leave out to the imagination is, when Nick Fury in The Winter Soldier says the line "...The last time I trusted someone I lost an eye." That left so many questions and implications open for the audience's imagination, we thought we wanted the answer but we didnt... And when we did got the answer and learned how he did actually got the scar in Captain Marvel it undermined that powerfull scene from the the previous movie.
We could have learned how he lost his eye and it not take weight away from that scene, if they hadn’t decided to make a gag out of how he lost his eye. So this doesn’t super work as an example. This isn’t really a case of “we didn’t need an explanation” it’s a case of “the explanation we got was terrible.”
@@tropicturtle9021 although, there’s also the possibility that any explanation will be a terrible one. Everyone having their own theories as silly and wild as their imagination can go. You can have an idea, think it’s good, someone else expands on it, then someone else thinks both ideas are bad and overly complicated. By not having an official answer everyone can be happy believing their own story.
The issue is that a bunch of writers get used to smellin their own shit they think anything they write is pure gold, even when they try to be comedic. Ex: Nick Fury should’ve lost his eye when he was betrayed, captured and tortured by a fellow colleague that he trusted, it’s that simple
@@Nickie102 Exactly, and that's what is meant by "best left to the imagination". Stories that resonate the most with people don't just tell a good story, they leave room for people to interpret things that aren't spelt out for them, which is part of how engagement works. If you are given all the answers to all the questions, big and small, it's boring. You can also go the other way and be way too vague, ask more questions than ever get answered and go off on tangents, which is why the show LOST was a huge hit when it came out, but no-one talks about it now because it's badly written trash.
Unironically, I think a game focusing around Hosea would be genius! The Wild West lasted from post-civil war up until the late 1800s, so roughly 1865 to the late 1890s! Hosea met Dutch in 1876, which would be well into the Wild West era. I would love to see a game tackle his origin story, as well as the setting of the early Wild West as a contrast to red dead 2’s late Wild West!
I think something you can point to why the mystery is so important regarding Blackwater is the film Reservoir Dogs. Basically the entire point of the film is trying to figure out, based on flashbacks and dialogue, what happened at the heist and what happened to make it go to shit. A lot of the movie's magic would be taken away if they just showed the robbery in a scene
Funny enough, I believe the idea of showing the heist was on the table but as you said it completely ruins the movie when you know exactly what Mr. Blonde did that caused the heist to go south. We see enough of his psychopathy in the “Stuck in the Middle with You” scene to draw the conclusion that whatever happened, it was probably pretty terrible.
@@cloudkid12able exactly. If they showed the scene, whether at the beginning or the end of the film, it would take away from a lot of intrigue cuz the whole movie, and even still now, we don’t really know what all went down, which leaves us hunting for details
When the game first came out I tried to play and only put in about 6 hours or so and stopped for a couple of reasons. Picked it back up and started a play through on hard the other day. Its already been frustrating how sluggish the controls can feel but im in it for the long haul. Time to find out why it gets so much praise!
Potentially having a whole new story, where it starts just before the massacre where your gang has an interaction with Dutch and his gang, your gang can then go on it's own story either up north or down south, you can maybe see small newspaper articles or hear rumours of incidents that happened in RDR2. Being a leader of gang and trying to keep it stable and potentially having them turn on you could be exciting to see how your honour system effects the gang would be interesting.
Hear me out: Red Dead Down Under. Australia had its own "wild west" period in the mid 1800s. You had lots of escaped convicts and outlaw gunslingers during that period. You even have the varied environments, danergerous wildlife, and Natives, just like the American West.
A game based around Melbourne and surrounding countryside in the mid 1800s would be awesome. Could have the Kelly gang and other famous bush rangers as recurring characters
Duels with kangaroos sounds perfect. All the poisonous creatures, and all the moonshine are just making fosters lol. I think you have a 10/10 idea there😂😂😂
I was playing rdr1 the other day and at a random campfire a guy was talking about Red Harlow even said his full name and everything. Lot of people think it doesn’t connect but that alone proves it does
@TheActMan Same brother. I have never cried out a character's name like I did when Hosea and Lenny died. This story touched my soul and I pray Rockstar never makes RDR3. I cannot wait for your video.
Does a Red Dead game have to be in USA? There are other places that were frontiers with outlaws that could deliver a similar feel. Mexico and Australia come to mind around the time RDR1 and RDR2 took place. In Australia, you had bush rangers, the gold rush, things still going on with Aboriginal folk and the transportation of convicts from England had just ended. There's lots of opportunity for a great story there. Call it Red Dead Conviction.
What started my love of the “this story revolves around a certain event but you don’t get to see that event” trope was Quentin Tarantino’s film Reservoir Dogs where you don’t get to see the diamond heist that the crew performs. Only the before and after
Loved this video and agree whole heartedly. I know I'm late to the party, as this is two months old, but I've been thinking about this for years... Everybody loves Chapter 2. Just make Chapter 2: The Game. Go back 30 years, lose the Van Der Linde gang. We're making a new gang! Everything should be deeply customizable. Have mechanics where you build your gang by recruiting characters all throughout the world by completing story lines and missions associated with them. Choices about who you recruit will open and close certain doors in the world and your gang will reflect your personality. Some characters wont join the gang if you have certain morality scores, some characters have special storylines that you only get access to if you recruit certain other characters as well. Maybe you're building a bounty hunter posse, or a crew of cold-blooded highwaymen. Have different places where you can make camp, choose your spots, each unique with different opportunities for jobs, stories, and character developments. Maybe there's a town you can take over and become the sheriff? Maybe you can turn an old silver mine into a base for your gang of murderous outlaws? You've gotta keep the camp going with money and food, and supplies, but make it actually matter this time! No matter what you choose, have some big overarching story where your gang goes to war with a rouge confederate general who has turned himself into a king after the war ended. The themes of the game and the story should be freedom, opportunity, making your own destiny, and the inevitable conflict that occurs when dreamers with different ideals clash against each other. The ideals of the old west. Call the game - "Red Dead Revolver Returns". Have the player character be the "real" Red Harlow. That's the Red Dead I want to play next.
I've been saying for a while that Red Dead could explore other cultures of the Wild West era. It doesn't have to be about the Van der Linde gang like fans seem to think. The only reason people keep wanting more of the gang is because they were so charismatic and immersive, but that can be done for another group of characters for future Red Dead games. I'm thinking the next main character can be either Mexican or Native American and we explore the Wild West and the redemption theme from his/her perspective. I'm also down for a Klondike Gold Rush setting where greed and migration of prospectors in search of wealth spark an incredible conflict for the main character and his family.
What about a Red Dead from the Mexican perspective? A story that engulfs both sides of the frontier. A new setting, a new character, a new perspective.
You and I have almost the same idea! I can't believe how many fans I hear say we need to see the beginning of the Van der Linde gang or any of its related characters when we have entire other relevant cultures like the Mexicans and Native Americans to work with. People seem to think Red Dead is exclusively about Dutch and the boys and don't seem to realize it's about the Wild West as a whole. I also think it would be cool to go to the Klondike Gold Rush for an amazing story of greed, immigration, and possibly redemption within that setting if the developers still have a redemption story to tell.
@@albopicklemcnicol1682 maybe not javier, maybe an ex Mexican soldier from the second French intervention. He migrates north and the story goes from there.
My brother offhandedly mentioned a genuinely great idea about the Red Dead series taking a direction similar to what GTA did with Vice City & San Andreas and dedicate a whole game to the state of "Nuevo Paraiso". They could retcon more map down south and just say John wasn't allowed to go down there so that you get more land to explore, similar to West Elizabeth in 2. It doesn't even have to be that big, (I know Rockstar would never do this but) it could just be a smaller game that requires less development time and exists to keep fans fed before their next big release.
Instead of RDR3, I’d love for them to remaster both games, and put them as one package deal. After you beat the epilogue of RDR2, you can go to bed and an option will pop up: *Continue to Red Dead Redemption* ? Then you can play the first game with the 2nd game’s engine, graphics, and some of the newer mechanics not seen in the first game. Maybe even have the whole map from RDR2 available with new DLC side missions up in those areas. It would be nice if some of the VA’s could come back and add a couple lines of dialogue referencing Arthur or Hosea. Just make it feel like one big odyssey. I don’t know if that’s feasible, but I’d love to see something like that someday.
Just remaster the first one, jesus those A hole put the old game in same states it was on X360 for the price of a new game, what a scam. Also it's the same map than RDR2 why so hard to remaster it, what a bummer...
As long as there's an epilogue that shows jack participating in world war one. Continue the theme of 'He's lost everything and fallen into violence, so he went to where he could fit in. The battlefield."
@@roetemeteor " let's take a character based, story driven game about the dying breaths of the wild west and america, and turn it into a kill the German game" Stop with the WW1 game, this is a cowboy outlaw series, and not a Call of Duty shooter
Alright so a while back I heard an amazing concept for an RDR prequel. In RDR2, there is a conversation between Tilly and Arthur where Arthur says something like "We haven't had to kill anyone in camp...well there was that one time, but he was a traitor." The "traitor" would be the main character of rdr3. The game would take place before rdr2 when the gang is still being formed, but it does not have to predominantly feature the gang, since we already know how that ends. Throughout the story, the protagonist figures out just how crazy Dutch is, and he is branded a traitor and killed by Arthur as an act of blind faith for Dutch. The epilogue would be about a young Arthur. This definitely doesn't fix any problems addressed in the video, but it's still a good idea. Great video by the way Edit: This is the most likes I've ever gotten on youtube lol. Also Act Man actually replied to my comment. That's crazy lol.
That's a really awesome idea, but the story for the character should be the "traitor" turns against the gang because he wants to save his family or reunite with his family after killing another family when doing a robbery. From there, he has a conflict within himself and the gang. See how evil Dutch is, tries to save himself, his family, and maybe others in the gang. The "Traitor" saves his family as his redemption, then is killed by Authur, completing the story and showing the start of the gang back in the 1880-1890's.
This is one of the better fan ideas I've seen. I like it. It actually makes sense that someone could suss out the sort of man Dutch really was far before the events of RDR2. There's a chance that whatever he did to the girl on the boat before the story kicked off, he's done in the past. The reason that it took them all so long to figure out Dutch was nuts in RDR2 was simple; they're all lost souls. They don't have good judgement, and they certainly didn't want to believe their leader was more lost than they were so they turned a blind eye to it as long as possible. A character that saw this really early on and worked against him... oh wait the only problem with this is you might end up playing as an O'Driscoll. Because it seems it would be Colm or someone like him that sussed Dutch out early.
Unfortunately, according to R* current rate, a new addition to Red Dead Redemption is scheduled to be released around half past the heat death of the universe
14:42 My favorite example of this is the fact that Micah wares a white suit in the St Denis robbery whilst everyone else has dark suits/clothes. It made him stick out to the Pinkertons so that they wouldn't shoot their informant on accident. There's no proof of this and it's never stated but when you piece the puzzle together yourself it's a great lightbulb moment!
In old Westerns made through the 1920's and 1940's, the hero(s) tend to always wear black outfits and black hats, meanwhile villains and antagonists tend to wear lighter colors and white hats to make them pop out more on black and white TV. This was really only changed with the onset of the mass popularity of the western genre in the late 1940's and 1950's and it's normally attributed that the success of The Lone Ranger series alone led to the change. In RDR2, Micah is the only one of the gang who wears a white hat the entire time, signifying he's the villain and antagonist from the start.
Red Dead Exception with Landon Rickets is actually the best fucking idea ever. It has to starr him and get him well-known until the point that him being mentioned in red dead redemption seems more like a cameo.
I like the quote at the start of Alan Wake 1. The unanswered mystery is what stays with us the longest, and it's what we'll remember in the end. It perfectly sums up the rest of unanswered questions left by the games.
So true, look what they did to Alien, the first movie has this mystery about the origin of the xenomorph, it was perfect. Now with Covenant we know who made them and the explanation sucks imo
Why not Mac Callander? He died in Blackwater after the gang lost ties with him. They can show an angle where he self sacrificed to save the gang or something like that. Arthur had a rather serious reaction to his death, indicating the gravity of the character's significance, which also could tie him to Arthur the way RDR2 tied Arthur to John. He's the perfect pick for a prequel.
Nah thats just a reskin of Arthur's story. Red dead Redemption as a series should end. They can create another red dead that doesnt have any ties to van der linde gang.
I don't have a theory outside of the ones you described for RDR3, however, as an aside I just want to say that I really like the theory that Landon Ricketts is the one who shot John during the blackwater massacre. It adds a really funny edge to their interactions in the first game. Of all the RDR fan theories that one is probably my favourite.
I genuinely think the best option for another game is, unironically, a game based around Uncle, but when he was younger. Show us that he actually was the badass gunslinger he always claimed to be because that would be hilarious if he was actually telling the truth, making all of the insults thrown by Arthur and John in previous games funnier and sadder at the same time. Then, have him end the game aging, suffering a severe back injury or something in an epic setpiece so that his Lumbago actually has a source, which makes the fact that everyone thinks he's lying even funnier. Then end the game with him falling in with a younger Dutch, skip some time then let you play as a younger Arthur to continue exploring the open world like they did with John in RDR2, give him a few quests with youger versions of other gang members, or ones we haven't met and maybe some side quest with Mary Linton and her family or something. All of this while Uncle lazes around and goes back and forth with Arthur all the time. That gives Uncle more context as a character in both games, makes his survival, reunion, and death have more impact in the previous games, and most importantly lets me play as Arthur again (please, I'm begging you just let me play as Arthur again please)
No you’re genuinely dumb. Uncle was never a bad ass. Never had a bounty on him. Best option is to bring back red Harlow the man that started it all. The games are named after him ffs but no one knows about him. Red dead revolver the first red dead game.
i like this but what i think is that it should start the same as yours but not switching to Arthur and instead being uncles pov of rdr2 and the redemption part of him should be when he sacrafices himself to save john and jack in rdr1 and in his final moments its a flash back of his most heart whelming moments of his life
Call it Red Dead Deception/Disgrace and you play as a lawman turned outlaw. Set it in a different part of the country at a different time. Or even at the same time but not the same location so they can have little nods to the previous title. You play as a lawman during the first part of the game and then an outlaw during the second.
Red Dead Damnation. Yeah, the Van der Linde gang story might be over, but the IP can continue with other characters. It could be cool to see a new story that is less about protagonists trying to redeem themselves, and more about a tragedy of a seemingly "good man" being driven astray by life. Something like Breaking Bad but western. Give this protagonist a good, relatable reason to turn bad, and have his/her journey be the tragic opposite of Arthur's and John's. That type of story is even trendy nowadays.A villains origin story.
Game Title: "Read Dead Reckoning" Plot Overview Prologue: * From Slavery to Soldier * Opening Cutscene: The game starts with a cinematic cutscene showing the protagonist's life as a slave and their eventual escape. * Escape Sequence: A brief but intense gameplay segment where the protagonist makes their way to the North, utilizing stealth and quick thinking (introduces stealth). * Union Army Missions: A series of missions where the protagonist joins the Union Army, learning basic combat and survival skills. This section serves as a tutorial for the main mechanics. Act 1: The Outlaw Life * Post-War Setting: The main game begins after the Civil War. The protagonist returns to a divided and lawless country. * Establishing the Outlaw: Players engage in missions that build the protagonist's reputation as an outlaw. This could includes forming or joining a gang, planning and executing heists, and navigating the challenges of post-war America. * Motivation: The protagonist strives for a combination of justice, revenge for those who have wronged him, and freedom for themselves and their community (main one). Also a clear villain or maybe a couple different ones should be established. * More depth to the various characters and plot points: * Maybe add in a romance that is inspired from Django Unchained where he has to go back and free his lover or something. It can maybe only be a couple missions or it could be a big part of the game and the lover could be part of the gang that he forms. Or just his lover that lives at the gang campsite (or wherever you live). There could also be other potential lovers. * Create good antagonists and side characters. * Add atleast 1 extremely good antagonist or more. They can be as evil as we want, because this is a video game to do with slavery. And also they have to be worse than the protagonist, who is an outlaw (he is doing it to survive, but he does kill people). You can really just go all in on evilness if you want. * Open World Exploration: An expansive open world filled with towns, wilderness, and various points of interest. Players can interact with NPCs, take on side missions, and explore hidden locations. * Dynamic Missions: A variety of missions that involve robbery, duels, rescuing allies, and fighting for justice in a lawless land. The player's choices during these missions affect their standing with different factions and shape the story. * Character Interactions: Deep, narrative-driven interactions with other characters, including former soldiers, freed slaves, and other outlaws. These interactions reveal more about the protagonist’s past and motivations also brings in more characters and makes the world feel real. Act 2: Facing the Consequences * Rising Tensions: As the protagonist’s infamy grows, they face greater challenges from law enforcement, bounty hunters, and internal betrayal. * Major Heists and Showdowns: High-stakes missions that culminate in significant heists and confrontations with powerful enemies. * Moral Dilemmas: Players make tough decisions that impact the fate of their gang, their community, and their own legacy. Choices have long-term consequences, leading to different outcomes. Epilogue: Legacy and Reflection * Resolution: The game concludes with the protagonist reflecting on their journey. This segment varies based on player choices throughout the game, offering different endings that consider the protagonist’s actions and their impact on the world. * I’m thinking atleast have 2 completely separate endings, so: * 1 ending that’s actually a happy ending. Protagonist settles down and has a family. * 1 ending where the protagonist dies in a sad way. * And possibly 1 bittersweet ending. * Cutscene and Gameplay: A mix of final cutscenes and gameplay that tie up loose ends and show the long-term effects of the protagonist’s actions. And some sort of post credit gameplay. Gameplay Features * Stealth and Survival Mechanics: Crucial during the escape sequence (this is when you’ll learn about it) and useful in heists and escaping pursuers. Also adds to open world exploration. * Combat and Strategy: Engaging gunfights, strategic planning for heists, and tactical decision-making. Mainly the gunfights. * Open World Exploration: Rich environments to explore with dynamic weather, wildlife, and interactive NPCs. Should be a very engaging post civil war world. * Moral Choices: Decisions that affect the protagonist’s legacy and the game’s outcome, with multiple endings. * Customization: Players can customize the protagonist's appearance, weapons, and gang. * Realism and Detail: Attention to detail in the setting, period-appropriate clothing, weapons, and architecture to enhance immersion. * Real Deaths Mode: Also a mode where it is 1 - 2 shots and you’re dead (like in real life). You know how rockstar does the thing where you can take many shots and still be alive, unlike real life. Well we should still have that as the default, because it probably is more fun and better for the average player, but have a mode also where you only die in 1 or 2 shots, but at the same time other people should only die in 1 or 2 shots (like real life). Visual and Audio Design * Visuals: Gritty, realistic graphics capturing the post-war era’s rugged and diverse landscapes. * Audio: Period-appropriate music, immersive soundscapes, and strong voice acting to convey the protagonist’s journey. Conclusion By incorporating these elements, you can offer a rich, engaging experience that combines historical depth with the freedom and excitement of an open-world outlaw adventure. This could also work as a really good assassins creed game, but I doubt ubisoft would be able to pull it off nowadays.
Red dead revolution, you are a gunslinger caught up in the civil war, depending on your choices you help either the north or the south. You do heists and either piss off one side or the other and can meet a lot if weird characters along the way . Another is red dead gold rush . You are robbing prospectors and trains and saloons in California in 1849. Or the Klondike . Some new venue we haven’t seen in red dead
@@Ravager-u2v thanks. It’s been like 5-6 years since we got a red dead game. At some point we will need new characters and scenarios because the vocal cast will be dead from old age. I cannot imagine someone else playing Arthur or Dutch or John. Their voices are iconic. Maybe if it’s like 18 year old Dutch maybe
Why Can't We Have Another Batman by Rocksteady? God, I miss Kevin Conroy so much. He was perfect. I got a voice acting background and have to say that his voice has been such an inspiration for me since the Batman the Animated Series. The vocal training was really tough, sometimes without noticeable results for months but actors like him are a great impulse to not give up. You almost saw me as Leon in those new RE games :) Great video btw!
Ngl I think it would be fun to have a game called “Red Dead Regression” where you start out as like a Marshall family man with a dark past and slowly devolve back into a life of crime. Basically start out as the Sheriff in Strawberry and end up as Micah Bell.
I've never supported an Read Dead sequel ideas after RDR2. I think the franchise should rest now that its told the complete story and move onto a different Read Dead franchise. But this is a good one. Reminds me of the story of Arthur's father.
this is so late but i need this idea to be somewhere out there. Its basically just a normal gang they can have whatever lore the biggest part should be how they were involved with arthur and the gang maybe a gang in guerma and while ur trying to rob some gold bars somewhere you see arthur shooting a cannon and making a submarine go down. Red dead 2 is a perfect game instead of making an even better game i think the best idea should be to make a normal (Still decent) game on a lower scale that further defines the old games more while making the new game fun with whatever lore added, kinda how when we watch the avengers we love it its so cool and when we see it from lets say deadpool 2's pov or even spiderman post endgame, the avengers are considered legends and achieving that status is huge for anyone
Well said. Always bothered me when I see people wanting a "when the gang got started" story. Not EVERYTHING needs to be explained. Some ambiguity serves this story incredibly well, especially in regards to Dutch.
The reason i played red dead redemption the first time is because I was such a fan of red dead revolver. So as long as it is a red dead story it will have enough brand recognition. They could make one that tells more of the story of red Harlow and officially makes the three games connected.
Being a topic that I’m so passionate about, I’m so ready to check out of a video where someone talks about Red Dead etc. this video is awesome though you made some really good points and “it’s making me cringe Dutch” earned you a sub 😂
Completely agree with the mystery surrounding the Blackwater Massacre. Not knowing exactly what went down but only having vague answers from various characters to try and paint the full picture makes the event all the more intriguing to me. Especially since Arthur wasn’t present during the robbery, it makes sense that since he doesn’t fully know, neither should we.
Not only that but it also helps with future replays of both games. Especially rdr2. As much as I know Dutch is a narcissistic, gaslighting manipulator, there is a magic to his character that you cant help but feel that slight want to love that can only be held because we haven't seen what happened during that massacre. If we had visual proof, we lose that effective motivation which would make you want to do the missions concerning Dutch. If we see it, we would be treating Dutch like Micah the whole time and not want to really play any parts of the game, even the genuine fun parts like fishing with him and Hosea or even the race from the swamp back to the camp
@@Jay-gf8tm I am pretty sure red dead 2 already answer why there is beef, it was something about Colm killing Dutch lover and him killing Colm brother in revenge I think.
make it Actman! the game's reactivity and interactivity (even during its random encounters) that kept the world thriving w/ this much stuff happening and to do
I have an idea: A spinoff where Dutch successfully takes the gang to tahiti. Micah is killed off in the ship because John mistakes him for a giant rat and shoots him in the face(he had too much moonshine). The gang successfully arrives on Tahiti but unfortunately for them it wasn't the mango season so they couldn't become mango farmers like they dreamed 😢. They're money and resources eventually run out and they become broke. The title would be "RED DEAD REGRET"
@@kdmdjd-jj7zq dutch became a psychopathic person near the end of it all. actually, I think he always was. the only reason he had the entire gang was because he needed some form of validation to fuel his ego: he was a narsascistic liar, and he only used a promise of new lands and future to promote his ideals onto his gang. it appears as a commune, but it's just a facade. the ragtag crew he acquires only serves the purpose of notoriety and nothing more. it may be a bit of a stretch but I guess you can compare dutch to homelander with their needing of attention and love for their own validation.
I think that wouldn't feel right for the existing fan base. Dutch is a perfect story character with all that we experienced, heard about him, and also didn't see, like how good of a father figure he was before to build that bond with Arthur. Left to our imagination is a better way of keeping the existing masterpieces in good memory.
Hosea had a wife, who he lost. This could start as an Older Young Adult Arthur and Younger John, as two characters that were street orphans. They end up robbing Hosea, getting caught and escaping only to run into Dutch. The two men are amazed at the talents of the two boys, and teach them how to rob banks, shops and coaches. (There's literally a clipping of the first bank heist they did)
I need this game, that being said i'm reading in comments that the lead writer for RDR 1&2 has left Rockstar this fact would worry me on further installments of the Van der Linde gang.
The same problem exists though, that we know sorta what ends up happening. Natives get driven to reservations or forced into living with white people society as the us manifests is destiny
@@joemamarama335 That's not exactly any different from the player of RDR 1 and 2 already knowing that the Wild West ends up getting flattened by industrial civilization. The argument made by the video is that the main character of a new game should be one whose fate is currently unknown or ambiguous, not that stories about dying cultures or fleeting historical moments should be avoided.
Exactly. Go the opposite route. They might have to take the "redemption" out of the title, but there's massive potential on turning Arthur's and John's story of "bad man turn good" on it's head. It worked wonders before. Make a new story, only linked to the Van der Linde gang in cameos and stuff, where the protagonist is initially a "good" person and life shapes them into a demon, BUT give them a strong relatable reason for that journey... Like Walter White in Breaking Bad, or the Joker in the Joaquin Phoenix movie.
Im a "too old to admit" rdr series guy.. Grew up playing Sonic, Mario, Streets of rage, Shinobi, MK, etc. Nowdays... Its the only game i play... ever... and i do so because it takes me away to where i would like to live. Its my: "me time", from the city life. I often wish i dont die, until 3 comes out. Im angry at you, because you got a point. But it does not matter. Give me my horse, my gun, and a open world.. i can play as Gavin for all i care.
Thanks for your amazing content brother. I find myself rewatching your videos for a smile due to these hard times… I just lost my grandma. You’ve always worked hard, done your research, and given us something that made our day a bit better. From the bottom of my heart, thank you, and you’re a real ass dude. ❤
Holy hell, this video gave me goosebumps with how thought provoking what little ideas you were able to discuss about these games. Can’t wait for the main review. Good on you, Act Lung
He didn’t really think of shit. These are things that red dead redemption fans have been saying for years he just piled them together. Also a lot of his information is just incorrect like him mentioning that they did a red dead game before redemption they didn’t they purchased a company that produced that game
You are so right about the black water massacre. There was something so powerful about how in rdr2 the gang was just reeling from it and couldn’t even bring themselves to talk about it. Like they were so traumatized that they couldn’t. And not knowing what happened allowed me as a player to fill in the gaps with my imagination. Whereas if they showed something it wouldn’t have had that same effect.
Rddr 3 1849 gold rush. A rancher in California discovers gold on his land, and soon after a evil company kills his family and takes his land and leaves him for dead. Then the rancher heals up and goes out for revenge to get his land back and avenge his family's death.
I'm currently replaying RDR2 for like the 6th time! I'm coming up to about the midpoint of Chapter 6. God, I love this game...and I'm so glad you got to experience it yourself!
I think a game where we play as Javier in between rdr2 and rdr1 would be a decent idea because when he is last seen, he still isn’t the person he is in rdr1 he refuses to point the gun at Arthur, and seems to have regrets about what he is doing. It could be cool to see his descent. not really a redemption but still.
You make some interesting points about moving the story too far back or forward in history and therefore changing the overall feel of the game itself. I think a third game centered around Jack could be done successfully, but as always the wild card is the writing. Matching the depth of those first two games would be no easy feat, and I agree you would need to keep the relevance of Arthur and John's sacrifices (mostly) intact.
I think the way we could avoid damaging Arthur and John's sacrifices and still include Jack in the game is by not making it abaut him. So he could be this inevitable gunslinger or he could be the writer he wanted to be. Perhaps a mix of the two but the game will center around an altogether different character that ends up involved with Jack in some way.
For Jack I think it should take place after ww1 that way we can still have feel Wild Westish and also combine it with the modernism. Maybe have driving cars a thing along with horses, they both have there own advantages and disadvantages like cars are good for driving around in black water(by this point a massive city) and also if you do ride a horse instead of a car you get fined for doing that. Riding a horse could be good for stealth and off-roading. That’s just one example of course, with the right hands it could be a good story
Starting with a new cast and location could be invigorating for the franchise. Your point of starting with the title inspired my idea. "Red Dead Regression" could be a title for a story of someone who put the life of crime behind them and started a family only for it to all be taken from them because of their past. They end up going back to a life of crime. It could start small where the character beats information out of people and end with them being recognized as their old selves.
I STRONGLY disagree with not showing the black water massacre. This event was brought up across two games, everyone knows Heidi McCormick by name. She must’ve been important. We also know one of the calendar brothers died in the town helping Arthur escape. The groundwork is laid. You play as that calendar brother you see Dutch starting to turn at the end of the game you see the black water massacre and you get Arthur out. Then maybe in the epilogue you can go back further, play as Hosea and kinda run through the formation of the gang. But I think we definitely need to see what happened on that boat and find out just what made that woman so important
@@Armetar he was, but let me tell you - he wasn't the only one writing these stories! An RDR3 story would be great as well, lets not give him all the credit for all the great rockstar stories in the past...
@@radigeorgiev9662 I wasn't saying he was the only one. I mean rockstar doesn't really have amazing stories in most of their games most of them are just ok or good and that's about it
The idea that feels the most natural to me is an Indian tribe getting displaced is the Wild West, both games have touched this subject, and Dutch would be a side character showing how he developed his philosophy, or it could touch on the beginning of colm and Dutch beef, because I have a feeling Micka was friends with the dead colm, I got this just from body language when it is mentioned in the game
I’d like to see a RDRIII prequel where you play as Davey Callendar. You and your brother Mac start out as outlaws much like Butch and Sundance. You’re there for the start of the Van Der Linde gang and see how that all happens. The Redemption could be that you can see Dutch’s true nature and where he will eventually lead the gang and decide to save your brother from the outlaw life, but lose your life trying to escape in Blackwater Massacre. You’d probably play as Mac (who’s said to have died but no body was ever found) in the prologue like the other RDR games so you can still 100% the game.
No offense, I’ve seen this idea countless times and it would just feel so hamfisted, cramming major story beats in a short time frame. Such a story would just rub way too much with RDR2, and it would be extremely difficult to pull off. It would also severely detract from the mystery of Blackwater and whether or not Dutch was always the way he was or lost his mind. Also, not every side character needs their own special and epic story. These two can continue to serve as what they are, the typical and ruthless outlaw that were of the time, nothing wrong with a one dimensional character if it serves a purpose.
Maybe the RDR3 could feature Davey Callander as the protagonist, but it wouldn’t make sense since he died in the Blackwater massacre or I could see us playing as someone that was in the Van Der Linde gang before joining and the after credit scene could be Dutch approaching us. These sound cool but a new story would probably be better.
I’ve mentioned it somewhere before, but I always said a Charles focused story helping the natives would have been incredible DLC (I was hopeful). But it could be a parallel to the timeline and the plot while maintaining a lot of the similar systems of the two games.
I think a game that is set in the aftermath of the civil war with a young boy-solder coming of age, heading west as an outsider, having adventure and shinanagins in the Old West/Mexico and then getting invoved in Banana Republics, only to turn from heel in his older age and come back to the states to right a wrong as his last redemption arc would be interesting and open up some history/settings that Americans are not as familiar with
_There’s only one thing left that everyone’s been talking about since the beginning…_ I heard that *Red Dead Revolver* is *underrated* and has *Red Harlow* as the *first Red Dead protagonist.* Why not do a remake for that game instead of a trilogy? Then again, Rockstar has a track record for making horrible remakes.
Rockstar never actually made any remakes. They outsourced all their remakes and remasters to other companies, most notably Grove Street Games, who is a mobile game studio. I doubt they will stay affiliated with them for much longer after messing up GTA twice, but if rockstar made a remake in house, I have no doubt that it would be at least decent.
Changing the cast completely isn't only the right call, it's the only call. Every other story is finished, Sadie and Charles are the most open ended but we can infer what happens to them after the epilogue.
@@z-herb8006 It just wouldn't. Not only have we seen the ending of the gang as a whole, we've seen the ending of every member of the gang. A lot of people draw that false equivalency of "RDR2 was a prequel to RDR1, RDR3 could do the same!" without realizing why RDR2 as a prequel worked is because of how little was known about the gang. We knew the name and 4(ish) members of the fallen gang, John, Bill, Javier, and Dutch. We didn't know about Arthur or Sadie or Micah. That's why it worked, because it was more or less completely new. Moreover, we can't follow the plotline of another gang member because none of them had a redemption arc. No matter what way you try to slice it, this gang, these characters, their over. There is no more story to tell with anyone in the Van Der Linde gang.
@@yaboyospoons7570 we don’t know jack about the gang early days lol, it’s all could litterally be argued the same for rdr2 sorry and that worked, given the right story and writers I do believe rdr3 will too
@@yaboyospoons7570 sorry we didn’t know about the others because they were introduced to us but doesn’t mean those characters we all knew weren’t expanded on heavily and a lot of them could be even more so in another prequel if done right, it doesn’t have to be impossible, that way of thinking would’ve left us with just rdr1
I have a few ideas: - A game that starts at the tail end of the Civil War. We play as a veteran who has to cope with life after the war, dealing with his own demons and regrets as well as the changing word around him he turns to a life of crime as an outlaw. - A game that takes place at the very start of prohibition. I know its not technically Wild West but it could have similar vibes. Deep south, moonshining, think that Tom Hardy movie “Lawless” - play as someone we already know like Landon Ricketts in the golden age of the Wild West - play as Wyatt Earp inspired lawman/bounty hunter character
There is no redemption in that story tho. It would literally end the way the first game started. No one was redeemed and they were far from it. Especially Arthur, y’all just need to let the story of Dutch’s gang go. It was fully fleshed out already and amazing story. Diehard fans will be the death of the franchise
@@bix2001 Nah they needa just leave the Dutch gang alone if a 3rd comes out. The story has already been fully fleshed out. Don’t turn RD into the Fast n Furious of gaming
@@hateque84 you could do a prequel of the blackwater heist how the gang form and such and still not show the blackwater heist and the story would be complete it would show the full turn out of the gang
He did but people make theory’s tht maybe Micah didn’t go through with it or that Milton said it to lie and deceive author, theirs just a lot of room for ppl to make their own theory’s and takes on it all.
He did, but he could also have been lying just to spread some in fighting. I'm of the faction where Milton told the truth. Why would he lie? I've seen a great thumbnail of him and Ross where Milton is labeled an "Honest Killer" and Ross is a "Cunning Liar." It's makes perfect sense with their characters. Milton gave the gang so many chances and none of them ever took so he killed them. Ross played John like fool doing his dirty work and killed him in the end because he learned from Milton's mistakes, never negotiate with savage killers.
It’s still a second hand account and Milton could be lying. His point was there’s no definitive scene that proves that he is so it’s still can be left up to the audience to interpret it
I was under the impression that Micah was in with the pinkertons because of their presence in the post credits scene, somehow finding the body of Micah and the other goons on top of that mountain. Thought that was meant to imply he was attempting to set up Dutch in Some kind of bust
Red dead 3 should keep going back in time and each game goes back further and closer to the true Wild West which will be super free and open because of the hardware of the future.
Rdr 1 ps3 was the most tame Rdr2 ps4 had a bit more freedom but wasn’t quite Wild West Rdr3 could be even further back, and we could play as those brothers from the beginning? Mac and Dave?
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Everyone wants a Red Dead Redemption 3 but I honestly can't think of any ideas that would be good enough. Please don't shoot me...
I would rather experience Red Dead Redemption 2 for the first time again. Than wanting a third game.
I mean... would you have thought up Arthur Morgans story?
Are you going to react to the nintendo direct next week like you did the xbox showcase
Personally I'd love an undead nightmare for Arthur as opposed to an official rdr3
They throw hundreds of hints at RDR3 being a prequel, they can't leave us hanging. The reason why Arthur wasn't in Blackwater and why Dutch is so vague about it is pretty obvious. It's so that we play as both Davey and Mac Callander and learn what happened there. It's clear that the game is gonna be a prequel, and if that's the case, the main character/s have to be people who actually know what happenned there (Micah, Dutch and the Callander brothers)
I just hate the fact that I can’t experience Red Dead Redemption 2 for the first time again…
my biggest regret in life is not making arthur honorable
That’s what I’m already worried about GTA 6
Watching his streams was as close as I’ll ever get. Was legendary 😭
just get a lobotomy, simple
Me with the first game personally, but learning of the old gang of John's before he hunts them down was an experience though
Fuck it let us play as uncle call it red dead lumbago
😂😂😂😂 ayo
Read dead affliction
Red Dead Revolver Remake: Red Harlow A.K.A. UNCLE WITHOUT LUMBAGO
its a very serious condition💀
Yeah finally
We play as Gavin. Start in England and live a life of crime, along the way he befriends a man named Nigel. And then when they come to america they try to change their ways but nigel can never truly put his past behind one day Gavin decides to leave him and change his name. His name is now Josiah Trelawny
best idea by far
biggest twist villain of the century
This is actual heat we need this LOL
Damn, would pay to play this game
@@TheActManI got one where we play as Arthur joining the gang and just watch as he is slowly manipulated by dutch
You could do a game set in the peak of the wild west around the 1870s or 80s with a ex-outlaw slowly gaining redemption by becoming a trusted law enforcer or like a town deputy or sheriff, it’s most certainly not the best but it’s an idea at least. It’d keep the theme of redemption and have a new character we know nothing about.
It would lead to the formation of dutches gang ending violently in black water
@ maybe, idk.
I do a lot like this idea trying to redeem themselves as a law giver but members from his gangs past trying to get him back into that life. Could be some good drama bringing his law to his once so called friends.
@@CommanderSuberox yeah I’d love playing as a sheriff or a deputy who was once apart of a gang trying to get up in the ranks and redeeming himself by gaining the sheriffs trust until they become something of a Wyatt Earp and Doc Holiday friendship.
@@MaryHarper-x6ryes that’s what a lot of people think rdr3 would be about is the events leading up to the gang and then the final mission would probably be the black water gone wrong
An important point is missing from the video. The lead writer of Red Dead Redemption I & II, and co-owner of Rockstar Games, left the company a few years ago. He was the visionary behind the story of Red Dead Redemption. We see from Blizzard how stories end when the creative minds leave.
Dan is working on a New open world game. Sucks as Red Dead and Bully are really the games he liked the most. He seemed to not have much interest in GTA6.
They lost a ton of programers and Leslie and hired some woke blue haired weirdo to replace the it’s over for rockstar lol rdr2 was the last great… even the online was horrible wait until you see what’s next.
Who cares? Even with him still on board there's nothing new for the series to do. They've already remade their themes from red dead 1 into Red Dead 2, would you go and do it a third time?
RDR2 was Dan's baby
@@Ronuk1996 Whats he working on?
Red Dead Redemption 3 should be a survival game where you play as pearson and you must survive being stranded at sea for "50 day's" and at the end you unfortunately survive.
This a great comment 😂
LMAOOO "unfortunately"
Pearson as the protagonist in RDR3 should get you arrested. As a matter of fact I have pulled your IP and the Pinkertons are on their way now.
"This ain't the time for tigers, my friend"
What about survival but as Uncle enduring through LUMBAGO
The Henry Repeater was invented in 1860. That’s 39 years before RDR2. You could do one set immediately after the civil war. Keep in mind The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly takes place during the civil war. Have it take place during a gold rush or while the rail road is pushing west. Still plenty of room to play around in
You could, but should we? I agree with Act that it's pretty cherry on top already. It would be cool for Rockstar to make a new IP, or even put some love into old ones.
@@Culturedtuna1 maybe not in the exact same series, but there’s still some room for them to work with the Wild West. All I’m saying is that it’s an idea that isn’t 100% dead on arrival
New characters would definitely be better, but I think it would just end up being "scuffed red dead".
That's not a bad idea!! I like it
I like this idea. RDR2 was amazing, but yeah there were some parts that maybe DLC or Online could have expanded on. Love the gold rush idea.
The "not reinventing the wheel, just breaking it" followed by the Auther clip is top tier
My favorite sequel, Red Dead Retcon, where John bursts out of his grave and says, “actually those lawmen DIDN’T shoot me 40,000 times”
😂
Jack: OMG dad how did you survive
John: Well you see son... I wasnt in that barn
@SkyPilot-qx2sb
John: Jack, I was never here, Jack. You need you need to wake up and let go
Jack: dad, I don't want to lose you again
John: I'm sorry, I did it for you, you know that
*Arthur bursts out of his grave*
Arthur: “I was faking tuberculosis all this time! I just wanted a nap..”
that is called undead nightmare
A good example to understand Act Man's point of a story/information to leave out to the imagination is, when Nick Fury in The Winter Soldier says the line "...The last time I trusted someone I lost an eye."
That left so many questions and implications open for the audience's imagination, we thought we wanted the answer but we didnt...
And when we did got the answer and learned how he did actually got the scar in Captain Marvel it undermined that powerfull scene from the the previous movie.
Bro lost his eye to a fucking space cat
We could have learned how he lost his eye and it not take weight away from that scene, if they hadn’t decided to make a gag out of how he lost his eye. So this doesn’t super work as an example. This isn’t really a case of “we didn’t need an explanation” it’s a case of “the explanation we got was terrible.”
@@tropicturtle9021 although, there’s also the possibility that any explanation will be a terrible one. Everyone having their own theories as silly and wild as their imagination can go. You can have an idea, think it’s good, someone else expands on it, then someone else thinks both ideas are bad and overly complicated. By not having an official answer everyone can be happy believing their own story.
The issue is that a bunch of writers get used to smellin their own shit they think anything they write is pure gold, even when they try to be comedic. Ex: Nick Fury should’ve lost his eye when he was betrayed, captured and tortured by a fellow colleague that he trusted, it’s that simple
@@Nickie102 Exactly, and that's what is meant by "best left to the imagination". Stories that resonate the most with people don't just tell a good story, they leave room for people to interpret things that aren't spelt out for them, which is part of how engagement works. If you are given all the answers to all the questions, big and small, it's boring. You can also go the other way and be way too vague, ask more questions than ever get answered and go off on tangents, which is why the show LOST was a huge hit when it came out, but no-one talks about it now because it's badly written trash.
Guy gave us a starter before the main course 😭
The appetizer 😊
Bruh lol
@@TheActMan now where is the dessert
An amuse bouche if you will
@@TheActMan It was a great appetizer. I look forward to the main course. 😋
Unironically, I think a game focusing around Hosea would be genius!
The Wild West lasted from post-civil war up until the late 1800s, so roughly 1865 to the late 1890s! Hosea met Dutch in 1876, which would be well into the Wild West era. I would love to see a game tackle his origin story, as well as the setting of the early Wild West as a contrast to red dead 2’s late Wild West!
By the time we even get a glimpse of rdr3 we’re gonna look like old folks in a nursing home trying to find the remaining jello 💀
im down to be on my death bed while playing red dead 3 lol
Us in 2070 when RDR3 releases: “Our time has passed Rockstar.” 🤣
The Doubting.. The Doubting 😮💨
@@Zoomer_Boi imagine dying right when the main character dies in the end what a way to go lol
@@needum9212That would be crazy to think about lol.
I think something you can point to why the mystery is so important regarding Blackwater is the film Reservoir Dogs. Basically the entire point of the film is trying to figure out, based on flashbacks and dialogue, what happened at the heist and what happened to make it go to shit. A lot of the movie's magic would be taken away if they just showed the robbery in a scene
Funny enough, I believe the idea of showing the heist was on the table but as you said it completely ruins the movie when you know exactly what Mr. Blonde did that caused the heist to go south. We see enough of his psychopathy in the “Stuck in the Middle with You” scene to draw the conclusion that whatever happened, it was probably pretty terrible.
@@cloudkid12able exactly. If they showed the scene, whether at the beginning or the end of the film, it would take away from a lot of intrigue cuz the whole movie, and even still now, we don’t really know what all went down, which leaves us hunting for details
you can actually play the heist in payday 2, but that isn't really canon
Wasn't a Reservoir Dogs game made where you play before and during the heist?
@@brainrich1358 I didnt know there was a game. But I mean even if it did, you cant really count a game as cannon or reflective of the movie
Now make a vid called "why red dead 2 is a masterpiece"
all in good time
Don't worry, Act Man has a plan. He always does.
@@HaankaasWe need to have some faith
@@jakethemcufan7021and some moneh
@@dafischy And some Tahiti mangoes
When the game first came out I tried to play and only put in about 6 hours or so and stopped for a couple of reasons. Picked it back up and started a play through on hard the other day. Its already been frustrating how sluggish the controls can feel but im in it for the long haul. Time to find out why it gets so much praise!
Just remember, like Persona 5, take your time.
Potentially having a whole new story, where it starts just before the massacre where your gang has an interaction with Dutch and his gang, your gang can then go on it's own story either up north or down south, you can maybe see small newspaper articles or hear rumours of incidents that happened in RDR2. Being a leader of gang and trying to keep it stable and potentially having them turn on you could be exciting to see how your honour system effects the gang would be interesting.
Best idea i've seen so far
This idea sounds alot better than people who just want to play as someone in Dutch's gang again
THIS
yeah but they werent running from the law prior to the massacre and it was a lot tamer so it wouldnt be that interesting
That is literally Arthur's story lmao
Rockstar: Act man do you have my back?
“Always Rockstar.”
always
@@DOOMStudios Rockstar: thank you for keeping the faith son, but it’s not you whos doubting
Next RDR game is in "TaHiTi"
@@TheActManRockstar: Faith son. Have some GODDAMN FAITH!
Hear me out:
Red Dead Down Under.
Australia had its own "wild west" period in the mid 1800s. You had lots of escaped convicts and outlaw gunslingers during that period. You even have the varied environments, danergerous wildlife, and Natives, just like the American West.
A game based around Melbourne and surrounding countryside in the mid 1800s would be awesome. Could have the Kelly gang and other famous bush rangers as recurring characters
Duels with kangaroos sounds perfect. All the poisonous creatures, and all the moonshine are just making fosters lol. I think you have a 10/10 idea there😂😂😂
Actually my favorite idea ive read online.The wildlife and animals would be insane!
Orange catus digeridoo.
i simply couldnt dislike a comment fast enough
Rdr3 should be Arthur growing up
you didn't consider a spinoff mango farming sim set in tahiti
Instant buy
unironically want that
Can't wait to see it in the next Nintendo Direct
it's just the end state of RDR2 but in tahiti and everyone is there for some reason lmao
@@Mewtwo_150 Mac, Saun, Jenny, Dutch, Arthur, MICAH BELL. John, Charles, Lenny, miss O’Shea, miss Karen, Mary-Beth grimshaw and agent Milton- WAIT AGENT MILTO-
How dare none of you even consider them remaking Red Dead Revolver as a prequel. Hell it can be its own spinoff series too.
The true story of Red in the redemption universe
I was playing rdr1 the other day and at a random campfire a guy was talking about Red Harlow even said his full name and everything. Lot of people think it doesn’t connect but that alone proves it does
I love how much he loves RDR2 now
it's been a pivotal moment in my character arc
As he should. This is how deep I got into it when I played it first as well. Refreshing to see someone so excited about it all these years later😄
Maybe he was just putting on an *act man*. Ok I’ll see myself out.
@@TheActMan You're a good man, Act Man
@TheActMan Same brother. I have never cried out a character's name like I did when Hosea and Lenny died. This story touched my soul and I pray Rockstar never makes RDR3. I cannot wait for your video.
Does a Red Dead game have to be in USA? There are other places that were frontiers with outlaws that could deliver a similar feel. Mexico and Australia come to mind around the time RDR1 and RDR2 took place. In Australia, you had bush rangers, the gold rush, things still going on with Aboriginal folk and the transportation of convicts from England had just ended. There's lots of opportunity for a great story there.
Call it Red Dead Conviction.
You do realize that revolvers and lever action rifles existed from the Civil War onward. You can go back a few years and not have to use muskets dude
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@@CommanderBosskis that nerdy? Surly just well educated and cultured, only welp here, is you emote comment. Freckin nerds
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They would have to throw us to the VERY early 1800s to possibly the 1700s to get to musket use no I know they wouldn’t do that
@@KingX. #MakeMusketsGreatAgain
What started my love of the “this story revolves around a certain event but you don’t get to see that event” trope was Quentin Tarantino’s film Reservoir Dogs where you don’t get to see the diamond heist that the crew performs. Only the before and after
Loved this video and agree whole heartedly. I know I'm late to the party, as this is two months old, but I've been thinking about this for years...
Everybody loves Chapter 2. Just make Chapter 2: The Game.
Go back 30 years, lose the Van Der Linde gang. We're making a new gang! Everything should be deeply customizable. Have mechanics where you build your gang by recruiting characters all throughout the world by completing story lines and missions associated with them. Choices about who you recruit will open and close certain doors in the world and your gang will reflect your personality. Some characters wont join the gang if you have certain morality scores, some characters have special storylines that you only get access to if you recruit certain other characters as well. Maybe you're building a bounty hunter posse, or a crew of cold-blooded highwaymen. Have different places where you can make camp, choose your spots, each unique with different opportunities for jobs, stories, and character developments. Maybe there's a town you can take over and become the sheriff? Maybe you can turn an old silver mine into a base for your gang of murderous outlaws? You've gotta keep the camp going with money and food, and supplies, but make it actually matter this time! No matter what you choose, have some big overarching story where your gang goes to war with a rouge confederate general who has turned himself into a king after the war ended.
The themes of the game and the story should be freedom, opportunity, making your own destiny, and the inevitable conflict that occurs when dreamers with different ideals clash against each other. The ideals of the old west.
Call the game - "Red Dead Revolver Returns". Have the player character be the "real" Red Harlow.
That's the Red Dead I want to play next.
I've been saying for a while that Red Dead could explore other cultures of the Wild West era. It doesn't have to be about the Van der Linde gang like fans seem to think. The only reason people keep wanting more of the gang is because they were so charismatic and immersive, but that can be done for another group of characters for future Red Dead games.
I'm thinking the next main character can be either Mexican or Native American and we explore the Wild West and the redemption theme from his/her perspective. I'm also down for a Klondike Gold Rush setting where greed and migration of prospectors in search of wealth spark an incredible conflict for the main character and his family.
Gold Rush setting would really be sick!!
@@captDymov Yeah it would!
Good ideas
@@eugenehavens Thanks, I hope these ideas catch on.
We‘ll play as one of the Murphee brood lol
Red dead: revengeance, you play as a cyber cowboy ninja and fight building sized robot buffalo.
And it has a dope sound track
"Jack...is back!"
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NANOMACHINES, SON!
Adios, amigos
The fact that an Undead Nightmare 2 variant wasn't made is such a shame. Breaks my goddamn heart.
*gotdamn
@@DAMAC4Real I don't know you
@@DAMAC4Realgotdamn*
Gotdamn
Gotdamn
What about a Red Dead from the Mexican perspective? A story that engulfs both sides of the frontier. A new setting, a new character, a new perspective.
You and I have almost the same idea! I can't believe how many fans I hear say we need to see the beginning of the Van der Linde gang or any of its related characters when we have entire other relevant cultures like the Mexicans and Native Americans to work with. People seem to think Red Dead is exclusively about Dutch and the boys and don't seem to realize it's about the Wild West as a whole.
I also think it would be cool to go to the Klondike Gold Rush for an amazing story of greed, immigration, and possibly redemption within that setting if the developers still have a redemption story to tell.
That would be cool as hell. Imagine playing as a Mexican exile like Javier or sumn
Javier? Not a bad shout!
@@albopicklemcnicol1682 maybe not javier, maybe an ex Mexican soldier from the second French intervention. He migrates north and the story goes from there.
My brother offhandedly mentioned a genuinely great idea about the Red Dead series taking a direction similar to what GTA did with Vice City & San Andreas and dedicate a whole game to the state of "Nuevo Paraiso".
They could retcon more map down south and just say John wasn't allowed to go down there so that you get more land to explore, similar to West Elizabeth in 2. It doesn't even have to be that big, (I know Rockstar would never do this but) it could just be a smaller game that requires less development time and exists to keep fans fed before their next big release.
I was screaming 'UNDEAD NIGHTMARE 2' at the top of my lungs the whole video ! And then you said it !
Or something with aliens since I saw that ufo in the game.
Hate to be your neighbor
Man if they put undead nightmare 2 in RDR2 than red dead 2 is the best game ever I swear.
Instead of RDR3, I’d love for them to remaster both games, and put them as one package deal. After you beat the epilogue of RDR2, you can go to bed and an option will pop up:
*Continue to Red Dead Redemption* ?
Then you can play the first game with the 2nd game’s engine, graphics, and some of the newer mechanics not seen in the first game. Maybe even have the whole map from RDR2 available with new DLC side missions up in those areas.
It would be nice if some of the VA’s could come back and add a couple lines of dialogue referencing Arthur or Hosea. Just make it feel like one big odyssey.
I don’t know if that’s feasible, but I’d love to see something like that someday.
meh
Just remaster the first one, jesus those A hole put the old game in same states it was on X360 for the price of a new game, what a scam. Also it's the same map than RDR2 why so hard to remaster it, what a bummer...
As long as there's an epilogue that shows jack participating in world war one. Continue the theme of 'He's lost everything and fallen into violence, so he went to where he could fit in. The battlefield."
@@roetemeteor " let's take a character based, story driven game about the dying breaths of the wild west and america, and turn it into a kill the German game"
Stop with the WW1 game, this is a cowboy outlaw series, and not a Call of Duty shooter
@@charlesburns7391 I mean, the only other alternative is the Great depression. Which, to be fair, hasn't really been explored in a game yet
red dead devotion, Charles smith's search for love in the Canadian frontier.
And the game is just a dating sim.
Sounds boring tbh charles could never be a protagonist with his dull voice
Nah that'd be tuff
Red Dead Reservation
Alright so a while back I heard an amazing concept for an RDR prequel. In RDR2, there is a conversation between Tilly and Arthur where Arthur says something like "We haven't had to kill anyone in camp...well there was that one time, but he was a traitor." The "traitor" would be the main character of rdr3.
The game would take place before rdr2 when the gang is still being formed, but it does not have to predominantly feature the gang, since we already know how that ends. Throughout the story, the protagonist figures out just how crazy Dutch is, and he is branded a traitor and killed by Arthur as an act of blind faith for Dutch. The epilogue would be about a young Arthur. This definitely doesn't fix any problems addressed in the video, but it's still a good idea.
Great video by the way
Edit: This is the most likes I've ever gotten on youtube lol. Also Act Man actually replied to my comment. That's crazy lol.
That's a really awesome idea, but the story for the character should be the "traitor" turns against the gang because he wants to save his family or reunite with his family after killing another family when doing a robbery. From there, he has a conflict within himself and the gang. See how evil Dutch is, tries to save himself, his family, and maybe others in the gang. The "Traitor" saves his family as his redemption, then is killed by Authur, completing the story and showing the start of the gang back in the 1880-1890's.
Ohhh the traitor. I like the sound of that
This is one of the better fan ideas I've seen. I like it. It actually makes sense that someone could suss out the sort of man Dutch really was far before the events of RDR2. There's a chance that whatever he did to the girl on the boat before the story kicked off, he's done in the past.
The reason that it took them all so long to figure out Dutch was nuts in RDR2 was simple; they're all lost souls. They don't have good judgement, and they certainly didn't want to believe their leader was more lost than they were so they turned a blind eye to it as long as possible. A character that saw this really early on and worked against him... oh wait the only problem with this is you might end up playing as an O'Driscoll. Because it seems it would be Colm or someone like him that sussed Dutch out early.
This might actually be the best idea
Unfortunately, according to R* current rate, a new addition to Red Dead Redemption is scheduled to be released around half past the heat death of the universe
14:42 My favorite example of this is the fact that Micah wares a white suit in the St Denis robbery whilst everyone else has dark suits/clothes. It made him stick out to the Pinkertons so that they wouldn't shoot their informant on accident. There's no proof of this and it's never stated but when you piece the puzzle together yourself it's a great lightbulb moment!
Nah your wrong not even close
In old Westerns made through the 1920's and 1940's, the hero(s) tend to always wear black outfits and black hats, meanwhile villains and antagonists tend to wear lighter colors and white hats to make them pop out more on black and white TV. This was really only changed with the onset of the mass popularity of the western genre in the late 1940's and 1950's and it's normally attributed that the success of The Lone Ranger series alone led to the change. In RDR2, Micah is the only one of the gang who wears a white hat the entire time, signifying he's the villain and antagonist from the start.
@@TheStretch35 That's cool! Thanks for sharing!
@@Kelly-f7r care to elaborate? 🤨
Even if this isn't canon it might as well be. I like it.
Awesome video! Really happy I just started playing RDR2 again, it is literally perfect.
Red Dead Exception with Landon Rickets is actually the best fucking idea ever. It has to starr him and get him well-known until the point that him being mentioned in red dead redemption seems more like a cameo.
I like the quote at the start of Alan Wake 1. The unanswered mystery is what stays with us the longest, and it's what we'll remember in the end. It perfectly sums up the rest of unanswered questions left by the games.
So true, look what they did to Alien, the first movie has this mystery about the origin of the xenomorph, it was perfect. Now with Covenant we know who made them and the explanation sucks imo
Why not Mac Callander? He died in Blackwater after the gang lost ties with him. They can show an angle where he self sacrificed to save the gang or something like that. Arthur had a rather serious reaction to his death, indicating the gravity of the character's significance, which also could tie him to Arthur the way RDR2 tied Arthur to John. He's the perfect pick for a prequel.
the lack of suspense from knowing from the start that he is gonna die in blackwater would kind of ruin it
@@veera7336 well when red dead redemption two was made and we saw John we knew he was gonna die later and how
@@KEVIN-MOG1234 well yeah, but john isn't the main character in red dead 2 so i don't think it's comparable
Nah thats just a reskin of Arthur's story. Red dead Redemption as a series should end. They can create another red dead that doesnt have any ties to van der linde gang.
Ooooh I like this ☝️
I don't have a theory outside of the ones you described for RDR3, however, as an aside I just want to say that I really like the theory that Landon Ricketts is the one who shot John during the blackwater massacre. It adds a really funny edge to their interactions in the first game. Of all the RDR fan theories that one is probably my favourite.
I genuinely think the best option for another game is, unironically, a game based around Uncle, but when he was younger. Show us that he actually was the badass gunslinger he always claimed to be because that would be hilarious if he was actually telling the truth, making all of the insults thrown by Arthur and John in previous games funnier and sadder at the same time. Then, have him end the game aging, suffering a severe back injury or something in an epic setpiece so that his Lumbago actually has a source, which makes the fact that everyone thinks he's lying even funnier. Then end the game with him falling in with a younger Dutch, skip some time then let you play as a younger Arthur to continue exploring the open world like they did with John in RDR2, give him a few quests with youger versions of other gang members, or ones we haven't met and maybe some side quest with Mary Linton and her family or something. All of this while Uncle lazes around and goes back and forth with Arthur all the time. That gives Uncle more context as a character in both games, makes his survival, reunion, and death have more impact in the previous games, and most importantly lets me play as Arthur again (please, I'm begging you just let me play as Arthur again please)
Except there is zero redemption
He explains in this very video why none of this makes sense
No you’re genuinely dumb. Uncle was never a bad ass. Never had a bounty on him. Best option is to bring back red Harlow the man that started it all. The games are named after him ffs but no one knows about him. Red dead revolver the first red dead game.
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i like this but what i think is that it should start the same as yours but not switching to Arthur and instead being uncles pov of rdr2 and the redemption part of him should be when he sacrafices himself to save john and jack in rdr1 and in his final moments its a flash back of his most heart whelming moments of his life
Call it Red Dead Deception/Disgrace and you play as a lawman turned outlaw. Set it in a different part of the country at a different time. Or even at the same time but not the same location so they can have little nods to the previous title. You play as a lawman during the first part of the game and then an outlaw during the second.
Red Dead Damnation.
Yeah, the Van der Linde gang story might be over, but the IP can continue with other characters.
It could be cool to see a new story that is less about protagonists trying to redeem themselves, and more about a tragedy of a seemingly "good man" being driven astray by life. Something like Breaking Bad but western.
Give this protagonist a good, relatable reason to turn bad, and have his/her journey be the tragic opposite of Arthur's and John's.
That type of story is even trendy nowadays.A villains origin story.
Game Title: "Read Dead Reckoning"
Plot Overview
Prologue:
* From Slavery to Soldier
* Opening Cutscene: The game starts with a cinematic cutscene showing the protagonist's life as a slave and their eventual escape.
* Escape Sequence: A brief but intense gameplay segment where the protagonist makes their way to the North, utilizing stealth and quick thinking (introduces stealth).
* Union Army Missions: A series of missions where the protagonist joins the Union Army, learning basic combat and survival skills. This section serves as a tutorial for the main mechanics.
Act 1: The Outlaw Life
* Post-War Setting: The main game begins after the Civil War. The protagonist returns to a divided and lawless country.
* Establishing the Outlaw: Players engage in missions that build the protagonist's reputation as an outlaw. This could includes forming or joining a gang, planning and executing heists, and navigating the challenges of post-war America.
* Motivation: The protagonist strives for a combination of justice, revenge for those who have wronged him, and freedom for themselves and their community (main one). Also a clear villain or maybe a couple different ones should be established.
* More depth to the various characters and plot points:
* Maybe add in a romance that is inspired from Django Unchained where he has to go back and free his lover or something. It can maybe only be a couple missions or it could be a big part of the game and the lover could be part of the gang that he forms. Or just his lover that lives at the gang campsite (or wherever you live). There could also be other potential lovers.
* Create good antagonists and side characters.
* Add atleast 1 extremely good antagonist or more. They can be as evil as we want, because this is a video game to do with slavery. And also they have to be worse than the protagonist, who is an outlaw (he is doing it to survive, but he does kill people). You can really just go all in on evilness if you want.
* Open World Exploration: An expansive open world filled with towns, wilderness, and various points of interest. Players can interact with NPCs, take on side missions, and explore hidden locations.
* Dynamic Missions: A variety of missions that involve robbery, duels, rescuing allies, and fighting for justice in a lawless land. The player's choices during these missions affect their standing with different factions and shape the story.
* Character Interactions: Deep, narrative-driven interactions with other characters, including former soldiers, freed slaves, and other outlaws. These interactions reveal more about the protagonist’s past and motivations also brings in more characters and makes the world feel real.
Act 2: Facing the Consequences
* Rising Tensions: As the protagonist’s infamy grows, they face greater challenges from law enforcement, bounty hunters, and internal betrayal.
* Major Heists and Showdowns: High-stakes missions that culminate in significant heists and confrontations with powerful enemies.
* Moral Dilemmas: Players make tough decisions that impact the fate of their gang, their community, and their own legacy. Choices have long-term consequences, leading to different outcomes.
Epilogue: Legacy and Reflection
* Resolution: The game concludes with the protagonist reflecting on their journey. This segment varies based on player choices throughout the game, offering different endings that consider the protagonist’s actions and their impact on the world.
* I’m thinking atleast have 2 completely separate endings, so:
* 1 ending that’s actually a happy ending. Protagonist settles down and has a family.
* 1 ending where the protagonist dies in a sad way.
* And possibly 1 bittersweet ending.
* Cutscene and Gameplay: A mix of final cutscenes and gameplay that tie up loose ends and show the long-term effects of the protagonist’s actions. And some sort of post credit gameplay.
Gameplay Features
* Stealth and Survival Mechanics: Crucial during the escape sequence (this is when you’ll learn about it) and useful in heists and escaping pursuers. Also adds to open world exploration.
* Combat and Strategy: Engaging gunfights, strategic planning for heists, and tactical decision-making. Mainly the gunfights.
* Open World Exploration: Rich environments to explore with dynamic weather, wildlife, and interactive NPCs. Should be a very engaging post civil war world.
* Moral Choices: Decisions that affect the protagonist’s legacy and the game’s outcome, with multiple endings.
* Customization: Players can customize the protagonist's appearance, weapons, and gang.
* Realism and Detail: Attention to detail in the setting, period-appropriate clothing, weapons, and architecture to enhance immersion.
* Real Deaths Mode: Also a mode where it is 1 - 2 shots and you’re dead (like in real life). You know how rockstar does the thing where you can take many shots and still be alive, unlike real life. Well we should still have that as the default, because it probably is more fun and better for the average player, but have a mode also where you only die in 1 or 2 shots, but at the same time other people should only die in 1 or 2 shots (like real life).
Visual and Audio Design
* Visuals: Gritty, realistic graphics capturing the post-war era’s rugged and diverse landscapes.
* Audio: Period-appropriate music, immersive soundscapes, and strong voice acting to convey the protagonist’s journey.
Conclusion
By incorporating these elements, you can offer a rich, engaging experience that combines historical depth with the freedom and excitement of an open-world outlaw adventure.
This could also work as a really good assassins creed game, but I doubt ubisoft would be able to pull it off nowadays.
@@Kenny-o6i Bro is insane 💀
@@Kenny-o6i Really giving a whole story line pitch in a reply to a RUclips you gotta get this out there bro call up Rockstar 🙏
@@Kenny-o6i Wow!!!! I LOVE this idea.. well done!!
Red dead revolution, you are a gunslinger caught up in the civil war, depending on your choices you help either the north or the south. You do heists and either piss off one side or the other and can meet a lot if weird characters along the way . Another is red dead gold rush . You are robbing prospectors and trains and saloons in California in 1849. Or the Klondike . Some new venue we haven’t seen in red dead
I think the whole red dead redemption community went silent. Those were strong
@@Ravager-u2v thanks. It’s been like 5-6 years since we got a red dead game. At some point we will need new characters and scenarios because the vocal cast will be dead from old age. I cannot imagine someone else playing Arthur or Dutch or John. Their voices are iconic. Maybe if it’s like 18 year old Dutch maybe
Red dead revolution is bad ass
Meh
I just finished the strreams i can’t believe you’re still in the making of a review
Why Can't We Have Another Batman by Rocksteady? God, I miss Kevin Conroy so much. He was perfect. I got a voice acting background and have to say that his voice has been such an inspiration for me since the Batman the Animated Series. The vocal training was really tough, sometimes without noticeable results for months but actors like him are a great impulse to not give up. You almost saw me as Leon in those new RE games :) Great video btw!
If that audition tape on your channel's real; you do really look like him.
@@iKeepMySecretsSaFe Hi, yeah it's real, thnx for checking it out. Cool user name btw, from the Saosin song, right?
I mean. Rocksteady is basically dead after Suicide Squad
The fact we never got a Red Dead 2 DLC is unforgivable.
Yeah, but this game is massive and no other single player game really compares
Sadie Addler content woulda clapped cheeks yeehaw
@@zenwuu I know what kind of men you are.
The fact they never released a Next Gen patch for the game made me unironically hate Rockstar.
still mind-blowing to this day
Ngl I think it would be fun to have a game called “Red Dead Regression” where you start out as like a Marshall family man with a dark past and slowly devolve back into a life of crime. Basically start out as the Sheriff in Strawberry and end up as Micah Bell.
I think they could do that with Jack
John wick. What you want is wild west John wick. So whens production start
I've never supported an Read Dead sequel ideas after RDR2. I think the franchise should rest now that its told the complete story and move onto a different Read Dead franchise.
But this is a good one. Reminds me of the story of Arthur's father.
@@jessemulock1163 “you stole his wagon and killed his boah?”
Red dead degenerate would be good
this is so late but i need this idea to be somewhere out there. Its basically just a normal gang they can have whatever lore the biggest part should be how they were involved with arthur and the gang maybe a gang in guerma and while ur trying to rob some gold bars somewhere you see arthur shooting a cannon and making a submarine go down. Red dead 2 is a perfect game instead of making an even better game i think the best idea should be to make a normal (Still decent) game on a lower scale that further defines the old games more while making the new game fun with whatever lore added, kinda how when we watch the avengers we love it its so cool and when we see it from lets say deadpool 2's pov or even spiderman post endgame, the avengers are considered legends and achieving that status is huge for anyone
We all know we want a Red Dead Revenge with a punisher-esque cowboy protagonist.
Red Dead Revolver did that already. Unless they remake it but I doubt it.
@@imulanyeah and they did redemption twice too so they can do it if they have brains
Honestly Rockstar could make a great punisher game they made manhunt after all.
Well said. Always bothered me when I see people wanting a "when the gang got started" story. Not EVERYTHING needs to be explained. Some ambiguity serves this story incredibly well, especially in regards to Dutch.
R*ckstar wants that GTA Online money. They're not making more cowboy games. Plus at this rate it takes them 10 years to make a new game it seems like.
Worth the wait, won't you say mate?
When Dan Houser left Rockstar they haven’t been the same ever since. and that’s the biggest worry for GTA VI and a potential Red Dead 3 for me.
You mean take two
An endless waiting, worth it? @@Sammy-yq8ix
2013 to 2018, thats 5 years to make a new game
The reason i played red dead redemption the first time is because I was such a fan of red dead revolver. So as long as it is a red dead story it will have enough brand recognition. They could make one that tells more of the story of red Harlow and officially makes the three games connected.
What if Mac (who died on the ferry) was the protagonist? I always thought that would be interesting
Landen Ricketts is the Uncle Iroh of the Red Dead universe
RDR2 video already please
Yes! That’ll be the best review act man has done. 🤠
@@Zoomer_Boiwrong, RDR1 will always have the best review
@@Verdun16I respect your opinion. RDR1 and RDR2 are both great. I’m sure act man will had a blast with the RDR2 review.
It's gonna take.awhile bro have you tried editing your own videos?
He says at the start the full review is being made
Being a topic that I’m so passionate about, I’m so ready to check out of a video where someone talks about Red Dead etc. this video is awesome though you made some really good points and “it’s making me cringe Dutch” earned you a sub 😂
Completely agree with the mystery surrounding the Blackwater Massacre. Not knowing exactly what went down but only having vague answers from various characters to try and paint the full picture makes the event all the more intriguing to me. Especially since Arthur wasn’t present during the robbery, it makes sense that since he doesn’t fully know, neither should we.
Not only that but it also helps with future replays of both games. Especially rdr2.
As much as I know Dutch is a narcissistic, gaslighting manipulator, there is a magic to his character that you cant help but feel that slight want to love that can only be held because we haven't seen what happened during that massacre. If we had visual proof, we lose that effective motivation which would make you want to do the missions concerning Dutch.
If we see it, we would be treating Dutch like Micah the whole time and not want to really play any parts of the game, even the genuine fun parts like fishing with him and Hosea or even the race from the swamp back to the camp
We also need to see how Dutch and the o'driscolls beef started
@@Jay-gf8tm I mean they’re gangs they probably started fighting over territory then someone got killed and it spiraled from there
@@steverambo4692 what if we have a game telling the o'drisscolls side of the story?
@@Jay-gf8tm I am pretty sure red dead 2 already answer why there is beef, it was something about Colm killing Dutch lover and him killing Colm brother in revenge I think.
Why is Red Dead Redemption 2 a Masterpiece?
Everyone asking Why, I’m asking Where is Red Dead Redemption 2 a masterpiece
make it Actman! the game's reactivity and interactivity (even during its random encounters) that kept the world thriving w/ this much stuff happening and to do
It's amazing but hardly any replay ability prologue becomes stale after your 3rd playthrough and it's the One Piece of video games slow pacing
Bc it’s the pre sequel of a masterpiece
It ain't a masterpiece in gameplay category combat sucks tbh
I have an idea:
A spinoff where Dutch successfully takes the gang to tahiti. Micah is killed off in the ship because John mistakes him for a giant rat and shoots him in the face(he had too much moonshine).
The gang successfully arrives on Tahiti but unfortunately for them it wasn't the mango season so they couldn't become mango farmers like they dreamed 😢. They're money and resources eventually run out and they become broke.
The title would be "RED DEAD REGRET"
wouldn't work cause dutch always wanted to fight civilization and normal life
it would work
@@kdmdjd-jj7zq dutch became a psychopathic person near the end of it all. actually, I think he always was. the only reason he had the entire gang was because he needed some form of validation to fuel his ego: he was a narsascistic liar, and he only used a promise of new lands and future to promote his ideals onto his gang. it appears as a commune, but it's just a facade. the ragtag crew he acquires only serves the purpose of notoriety and nothing more. it may be a bit of a stretch but I guess you can compare dutch to homelander with their needing of attention and love for their own validation.
@@retained6602i t i s a j o k e
I have always thought of Jack finding his way into the Pinkerton detective agency to attempt to take it down from the inside.
Its perfect for an American folk lore supernatural tv show style bullet engraving and weapon types that wood be amazing
Dutch, Hosea, and Arthur founding the gang. Sure no redemption but there's so many possibility's for a great story.
I think that wouldn't feel right for the existing fan base. Dutch is a perfect story character with all that we experienced, heard about him, and also didn't see, like how good of a father figure he was before to build that bond with Arthur. Left to our imagination is a better way of keeping the existing masterpieces in good memory.
Red dead plan
Good One...
Hosea had a wife, who he lost. This could start as an Older Young Adult Arthur and Younger John, as two characters that were street orphans. They end up robbing Hosea, getting caught and escaping only to run into Dutch. The two men are amazed at the talents of the two boys, and teach them how to rob banks, shops and coaches. (There's literally a clipping of the first bank heist they did)
I need this game, that being said i'm reading in comments that the lead writer for RDR 1&2 has left Rockstar this fact would worry me on further installments of the Van der Linde gang.
ngl playing as a native american from charles tribe after it gets destroyed and going on a revenge mission could go hard
The same problem exists though, that we know sorta what ends up happening. Natives get driven to reservations or forced into living with white people society as the us manifests is destiny
@@joemamarama335 That's not exactly any different from the player of RDR 1 and 2 already knowing that the Wild West ends up getting flattened by industrial civilization. The argument made by the video is that the main character of a new game should be one whose fate is currently unknown or ambiguous, not that stories about dying cultures or fleeting historical moments should be avoided.
Exactly. Go the opposite route.
They might have to take the "redemption" out of the title, but there's massive potential on turning Arthur's and John's story of "bad man turn good" on it's head. It worked wonders before.
Make a new story, only linked to the Van der Linde gang in cameos and stuff, where the protagonist is initially a "good" person and life shapes them into a demon, BUT give them a strong relatable reason for that journey... Like Walter White in Breaking Bad, or the Joker in the Joaquin Phoenix movie.
@Umprella ye thats more akin to what i mean lol. We would know what happens to a character from charles tribe
could do a historical fiction thing name it liek red dead revolution have a madeup tribe do a madeup revolutiion that ultimatley fails
Quick, Everybody check the floorboards!
😂
Im a "too old to admit" rdr series guy..
Grew up playing Sonic, Mario, Streets of rage, Shinobi, MK, etc.
Nowdays... Its the only game i play... ever... and i do so because it takes me away to where i would like to live.
Its my: "me time", from the city life.
I often wish i dont die, until 3 comes out.
Im angry at you, because you got a point.
But it does not matter.
Give me my horse, my gun, and a open world.. i can play as Gavin for all i care.
Honestly Jack meeting Sadie Adler would be a great start. Lady Adler was a total badass and yet is still alive.
Thanks for your amazing content brother. I find myself rewatching your videos for a smile due to these hard times… I just lost my grandma. You’ve always worked hard, done your research, and given us something that made our day a bit better. From the bottom of my heart, thank you, and you’re a real ass dude. ❤
sorry to hear that man. Happy the my videos can bring you some entertainment and fun in these trying times
@@TheActMan thank you kind soul ❤️ I always look forward to your uploads. I make music, that has helped me get thru the worst times.
@@nrg6245 My deepest condolences for your loss. Prayers to you and your family, I’ve been there.
@@db_524 thank you kind soul ❤️
Holy hell, this video gave me goosebumps with how thought provoking what little ideas you were able to discuss about these games. Can’t wait for the main review.
Good on you, Act Lung
He didn’t really think of shit. These are things that red dead redemption fans have been saying for years he just piled them together.
Also a lot of his information is just incorrect like him mentioning that they did a red dead game before redemption they didn’t they purchased a company that produced that game
@@Faceplay2 I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who thought this video sucked ass😂
You are so right about the black water massacre. There was something so powerful about how in rdr2 the gang was just reeling from it and couldn’t even bring themselves to talk about it. Like they were so traumatized that they couldn’t. And not knowing what happened allowed me as a player to fill in the gaps with my imagination. Whereas if they showed something it wouldn’t have had that same effect.
Rddr 3 1849 gold rush. A rancher in California discovers gold on his land, and soon after a evil company kills his family and takes his land and leaves him for dead. Then the rancher heals up and goes out for revenge to get his land back and avenge his family's death.
The story is basic and predictable could still be good if the main and side characters are very well written
Bro… the whole point of the video is that Red Dead REDEMPTION is about the Van Der Linde gang. Rockstar needs to make a new RED DEAD-.
That's almost the story of red dead revolver
@@frank1313callander boys and the gang ..and redemption saving Arthur in blackwater sacrifing themselves and giving Arthur the horse
@@frank1313young Dutch?
Hear me out: a Wild West cooking simulator. Red Dead Ratatouille
Main character is Cowboy Kent Rollins and his chuckwagon
I'm currently replaying RDR2 for like the 6th time! I'm coming up to about the midpoint of Chapter 6. God, I love this game...and I'm so glad you got to experience it yourself!
I think a game where we play as Javier in between rdr2 and rdr1 would be a decent idea because when he is last seen, he still isn’t the person he is in rdr1 he refuses to point the gun at Arthur, and seems to have regrets about what he is doing. It could be cool to see his descent. not really a redemption but still.
You make some interesting points about moving the story too far back or forward in history and therefore changing the overall feel of the game itself. I think a third game centered around Jack could be done successfully, but as always the wild card is the writing. Matching the depth of those first two games would be no easy feat, and I agree you would need to keep the relevance of Arthur and John's sacrifices (mostly) intact.
I think the way we could avoid damaging Arthur and John's sacrifices and still include Jack in the game is by not making it abaut him. So he could be this inevitable gunslinger or he could be the writer he wanted to be. Perhaps a mix of the two but the game will center around an altogether different character that ends up involved with Jack in some way.
For Jack I think it should take place after ww1 that way we can still have feel Wild Westish and also combine it with the modernism. Maybe have driving cars a thing along with horses, they both have there own advantages and disadvantages like cars are good for driving around in black water(by this point a massive city) and also if you do ride a horse instead of a car you get fined for doing that. Riding a horse could be good for stealth and off-roading.
That’s just one example of course, with the right hands it could be a good story
Starting with a new cast and location could be invigorating for the franchise. Your point of starting with the title inspired my idea. "Red Dead Regression" could be a title for a story of someone who put the life of crime behind them and started a family only for it to all be taken from them because of their past. They end up going back to a life of crime. It could start small where the character beats information out of people and end with them being recognized as their old selves.
This better be a joke.
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I STRONGLY disagree with not showing the black water massacre. This event was brought up across two games, everyone knows Heidi McCormick by name. She must’ve been important. We also know one of the calendar brothers died in the town helping Arthur escape. The groundwork is laid. You play as that calendar brother you see Dutch starting to turn at the end of the game you see the black water massacre and you get Arthur out. Then maybe in the epilogue you can go back further, play as Hosea and kinda run through the formation of the gang. But I think we definitely need to see what happened on that boat and find out just what made that woman so important
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Without Dan Houser I really doubt that Rockstar can create another legendary story in this Red dead Saga.
bro ho quit to make crypto games was he that important?
@@Bubbagaming90000 I mean yeah he kinda was
@@Armetar he was, but let me tell you - he wasn't the only one writing these stories! An RDR3 story would be great as well, lets not give him all the credit for all the great rockstar stories in the past...
@@radigeorgiev9662 I wasn't saying he was the only one. I mean rockstar doesn't really have amazing stories in most of their games most of them are just ok or good and that's about it
surprised we havnt gotten a red dead 2 review yet from you. still waiting for that banger video
The idea that feels the most natural to me is an Indian tribe getting displaced is the Wild West, both games have touched this subject, and Dutch would be a side character showing how he developed his philosophy, or it could touch on the beginning of colm and Dutch beef, because I have a feeling Micka was friends with the dead colm, I got this just from body language when it is mentioned in the game
That's a really smart idea.
I was thinking of a Landon Ricketts game, but I'd almost rather see what Rockstar can do with that idea.
I like how Act Mans practically drip feeding his community with RDR content.
Thank you for the feature on the video partner! ❤
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I’d like to see a RDRIII prequel where you play as Davey Callendar. You and your brother Mac start out as outlaws much like Butch and Sundance. You’re there for the start of the Van Der Linde gang and see how that all happens. The Redemption could be that you can see Dutch’s true nature and where he will eventually lead the gang and decide to save your brother from the outlaw life, but lose your life trying to escape in Blackwater Massacre. You’d probably play as Mac (who’s said to have died but no body was ever found) in the prologue like the other RDR games so you can still 100% the game.
dude thats the same idea i have for rdr3
That’s rdr3 but in new Austin and a different character
Bro ignored the main point this guy kept repeating in the video that we cant know what the characters outcome is
@@joffles6516Yup. I don’t agree with him. I don’t think it’s an issue.
No offense, I’ve seen this idea countless times and it would just feel so hamfisted, cramming major story beats in a short time frame. Such a story would just rub way too much with RDR2, and it would be extremely difficult to pull off. It would also severely detract from the mystery of Blackwater and whether or not Dutch was always the way he was or lost his mind. Also, not every side character needs their own special and epic story. These two can continue to serve as what they are, the typical and ruthless outlaw that were of the time, nothing wrong with a one dimensional character if it serves a purpose.
Maybe the RDR3 could feature Davey Callander as the protagonist, but it wouldn’t make sense since he died in the Blackwater massacre or I could see us playing as someone that was in the Van Der Linde gang before joining and the after credit scene could be Dutch approaching us. These sound cool but a new story would probably be better.
I’ve mentioned it somewhere before, but I always said a Charles focused story helping the natives would have been incredible DLC (I was hopeful). But it could be a parallel to the timeline and the plot while maintaining a lot of the similar systems of the two games.
It would be good as a dlc but not as a mainline title. It needs to keep the Wild West cowboy gunslinger vibe going
Very good technical and philosophical video. It's nice to see how far Act Man has come as a reviewer.
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I think a game that is set in the aftermath of the civil war with a young boy-solder coming of age, heading west as an outsider, having adventure and shinanagins in the Old West/Mexico and then getting invoved in Banana Republics, only to turn from heel in his older age and come back to the states to right a wrong as his last redemption arc would be interesting and open up some history/settings that Americans are not as familiar with
_There’s only one thing left that everyone’s been talking about since the beginning…_
I heard that *Red Dead Revolver* is *underrated* and has *Red Harlow* as the *first Red Dead protagonist.* Why not do a remake for that game instead of a trilogy? Then again, Rockstar has a track record for making horrible remakes.
Rockstar never actually made any remakes. They outsourced all their remakes and remasters to other companies, most notably Grove Street Games, who is a mobile game studio. I doubt they will stay affiliated with them for much longer after messing up GTA twice, but if rockstar made a remake in house, I have no doubt that it would be at least decent.
Has R* made remakes?
@@Clkr3yes the GTA definitive edition
@@Cheese23145nah, that's more of a remaster. Remake is literally re-making the whole game
NO MORE REMAKES
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Changing the cast completely isn't only the right call, it's the only call. Every other story is finished, Sadie and Charles are the most open ended but we can infer what happens to them after the epilogue.
RDR1 was a finished story, rdr2 still worked, rdr3 being a prequel is possible and could definitely work if rdr2 work
@@z-herb8006 It just wouldn't. Not only have we seen the ending of the gang as a whole, we've seen the ending of every member of the gang. A lot of people draw that false equivalency of "RDR2 was a prequel to RDR1, RDR3 could do the same!" without realizing why RDR2 as a prequel worked is because of how little was known about the gang. We knew the name and 4(ish) members of the fallen gang, John, Bill, Javier, and Dutch. We didn't know about Arthur or Sadie or Micah. That's why it worked, because it was more or less completely new. Moreover, we can't follow the plotline of another gang member because none of them had a redemption arc. No matter what way you try to slice it, this gang, these characters, their over. There is no more story to tell with anyone in the Van Der Linde gang.
@@yaboyospoons7570 we don’t know jack about the gang early days lol, it’s all could litterally be argued the same for rdr2 sorry and that worked, given the right story and writers I do believe rdr3 will too
@@yaboyospoons7570 sorry we didn’t know about the others because they were introduced to us but doesn’t mean those characters we all knew weren’t expanded on heavily and a lot of them could be even more so in another prequel if done right, it doesn’t have to be impossible, that way of thinking would’ve left us with just rdr1
@@z-herb8006no you’re wrong
I have a few ideas:
- A game that starts at the tail end of the Civil War. We play as a veteran who has to cope with life after the war, dealing with his own demons and regrets as well as the changing word around him he turns to a life of crime as an outlaw.
- A game that takes place at the very start of prohibition. I know its not technically Wild West but it could have similar vibes. Deep south, moonshining, think that Tom Hardy movie “Lawless”
- play as someone we already know like Landon Ricketts in the golden age of the Wild West
- play as Wyatt Earp inspired lawman/bounty hunter character
Hosea does have a story to be told. Just before chapter 2 dutch says "We have all made mistakes hosea *Every last one of us*"
What you said about the Blackwater massacre, is what I always thought. Arthur‘s uncertainty and Dutch‘s intransperence are a key story element.
There is no redemption in that story tho. It would literally end the way the first game started. No one was redeemed and they were far from it. Especially Arthur, y’all just need to let the story of Dutch’s gang go. It was fully fleshed out already and amazing story. Diehard fans will be the death of the franchise
@@hateque84 What are you talking about?
@@hateque84 davey and mac are both key characters who died could piece a redemption story into that
@@bix2001 Nah they needa just leave the Dutch gang alone if a 3rd comes out. The story has already been fully fleshed out. Don’t turn RD into the Fast n Furious of gaming
@@hateque84 you could do a prequel of the blackwater heist how the gang form and such and still not show the blackwater heist and the story would be complete it would show the full turn out of the gang
Didn't Milton straight up say Micah was the rat, or am I misremembering?
He did but people make theory’s tht maybe Micah didn’t go through with it or that Milton said it to lie and deceive author, theirs just a lot of room for ppl to make their own theory’s and takes on it all.
He did, but he could also have been lying just to spread some in fighting. I'm of the faction where Milton told the truth. Why would he lie? I've seen a great thumbnail of him and Ross where Milton is labeled an "Honest Killer" and Ross is a "Cunning Liar." It's makes perfect sense with their characters. Milton gave the gang so many chances and none of them ever took so he killed them. Ross played John like fool doing his dirty work and killed him in the end because he learned from Milton's mistakes, never negotiate with savage killers.
Yes, but this is assuming Milton isn't lying to Arthur. No reason to believe he would always tell the truth, quite the opposite, actually.
It’s still a second hand account and Milton could be lying. His point was there’s no definitive scene that proves that he is so it’s still can be left up to the audience to interpret it
I was under the impression that Micah was in with the pinkertons because of their presence in the post credits scene, somehow finding the body of Micah and the other goons on top of that mountain. Thought that was meant to imply he was attempting to set up Dutch in Some kind of bust
Red dead 3 should keep going back in time and each game goes back further and closer to the true Wild West which will be super free and open because of the hardware of the future.
Rdr 1 ps3 was the most tame
Rdr2 ps4 had a bit more freedom but wasn’t quite Wild West
Rdr3 could be even further back, and we could play as those brothers from the beginning? Mac and Dave?
These games are like the nostalgia tv show you had as a kid and you don't want it to be ruined with a remake